Rain kilt+umbrella. Kilt is very breathable and an umbrella can easily be made to use with no hands. No annoying hoods or sweating problem. Just wear whatever you normally wear.
I got the chance to do a small amount of training with the New Zealand SAS a few years ago and picked up a cool kit option. Those guys live in the cold and wet near freezing levels and this is how some of them handle cold/wet weather: I use an ultra-thin mountaineering rain layer in my kit (like the Beyond jacket mentioned), but it doesn’t go on the outside. Rain layers are often hard and make significant noise while moving. Also, if it gets punctured, it’s significantly less useful. So instead of Goretex, I wear the ultra-thin layer UNDER my camo top. The camo top is a consumable piece of kit that is designed to get beaten up and used, costs significantly less money, is very quiet, and is going to be concealing/near IR compliant.
@@PromKeptIt can be a factor. The first time I used it, I never overheated, but it was also July in New Zealand in the mountains. I was struggling to keep warm most of the time. I also did this at JRTC in January and heat buildup was more of an issue. I ended up leaving the top of my jacket a little unzipped and just flapped the bottom of my jacket open and closed to get some air flow.
I think your talking about something called a stealth suit. It’s 2 ply goretex and meant to be worn under your jacket/smock which is seen as the consumable item. If you google C P gear you’ll find it.
You're describing the equivalent of a level 4 wind shirt: ruclips.net/video/6GnbqwZ28ME/видео.htmlsi=PcYTVNlnNaQ9pkx Your description is nice and succinct. It seems to be a nice piece of kit I'd like to try
German military issues rain undergarments (top bottom). Always thought it seemed impractical. Your comment makes me rethink that. What about the outer fatigues getting soaked, though? Is it not much of an issue?
Just have a poncho for now, will maybe get some full zip pants. This is definitely the best new “gun tube” channel in the last few years. I like the long content, more of no bs just info channel. As a Leo with a preparedness mindset I thank you for putting out this information to everyone who is preparing for the coming storm. You guys should collaborate with dirty civilian to spread your knowledge further. Stay safe.
Always appreciate this series. My job has me outside all day regardless of weather so a lot of this is pretty new to me as I need to seek out a lot of the same principles for active performance and protection in just about every type of weather.
If weight isn't a huge issue go for Helly Hansen workwear. The rubberized stuff. That's what Alaskan fishermen wear. That's the only thing that will keep you truly dry. But it isn't breathable. But it is a whole lot cheaper than the GoreTex money grab stuff. Breathable and waterproof is an oxymoron - it just doesn't work.
Wow what a complicated and expensive topic. You did a great job and appreciate the content. I live in the mountains of Virginia where winter temps typically run 20-50F. Occasionally we go into the teens and infrequently to around zero. My critical temp as far as what to wear is 40F. I use a Silicone outer layer jacket or poncho as a wind breaker and light water resistant garment or both, with or without extra layers underneath from 40-50F. Below 40F I use a German surplus Gortex Top. Nylon will not stop the cold from coming through via convection or conduction. My base layer is either a flannel, or BDU, or wool shirt, over a long sleeved polyester tee no mater what else I put on. I crank out the heat with activity and stripping down to the shirt is often just right . The shirt is usually enough for me during activity and some static time. As it gets colder I will add a vest. I switch to heavier weight pants. If I’m more static or temps are at 30 or below, a zip fleece top will be added over the shirt, and the addition of US Cold weather pants. I don’t use LJs till the temp stays in the 20s or less due to overheating. So I have a little less than $300 into Eddie Bauer nylon wind rain Jacket, military style polyester poncho, German surplus Gortex Jacket and US Cold Weather wind rain pants which gives me 4 seasons capability.. I also use rubber boots with Wiggys.com liners in the thirties and below.
I used to work in the outdoor business for many years and all I can say its a good compedium. About poncho - I still carry it as you can use it as shelter and in hot conditions when inside temp is even or lower than on the outside - there is no particle movement so breathability does not exist even in Goretex. Poncho is a great kit for weather chanding conditions, not windy but rapid rain/sun changes. I just use it over my LBE if sun comes out I just flip it or roll it on the pack to dry. In high wind it sucks. I like the vest topic input - very often vests are forgotten and Im also a great fan of it. About 2.5 and Paclite - not a fan of it. We had most return and fix claims for Paclites - easy to break and the are "bubbling" - disintegrate. DWR needs to be re-appliet but whats more important re-activated with heat (hair dryer or shit like that)
Rain jackets should be long enough to cover all other layers. Modern waterproof zips have made poppers obsolete but traditional poppers allow you to vent the whole front without it flapping around. In maritine temperate wet winters the humidity can be high, so breathable membranes do not work well. In the UK there are a few other well proven systems. The waxed cotton hunting jacket is popular but heavy and not for mountain sports or carrying in a pack. The Buffallo pile/pertex system is used by mountain rescue and winter climbers. Paramo system is another highly breathable sysyem used by professionals.
Swiss here (mountainous area). Breathable and waterproof just don't go together. I wear rubberized gear when working in the rain and that really works but is heavy and not breathable. You won't perform in rain anyway though, so skip that thought. It's too dangerous as well. As to packability, yeah well... As I said. It will soak through fast. Here it's quite established in pro circles to dress in layers/fabrics that retain their insulating values when wet. That's the real key. Staying warm is prioritized over staying dry. Because you won't stay dry anyways. Guaranteed. Trying is futile. Cold and wet and mountains don't go together. The rescue helicopters flay over my house when approaching the hospital landing pad and let me tell you, they're busy.
There are a bunch of Wp jackets out there that are 40k/40k and are breathable, packable and light weight. I've used the Beyond Yuba for years under a carrier and it's still 100% good to go. It's only 8oz and almost fits in my pocket. You don't need the jacket to be heavy/high denier count to be durable and 100% waterproof. Fabrics have come a long way in 20 years.
Which models and brands can you be exact- not catching “wp” 40k/40 plus breathable..sounds about futuristic. I’d like to get that as I live in an igloo lol jk but it’s cold
Best I have is Norrona Anorak Goretex pro 3L, id imagine couldn’t be much better water proofing but it’s not really breathable unless you unzip it so breathable is the issue I’m interested in now. Lmk what you recommend
@@NylonschemeI also have a norrona goretex hunting jacket and it's awesome. But only in cold weather. I live in Canada and use it for hunting. But ironically goretex is only breathable enough when it is really cold and definitely not raining. It works good to make insulation layers much warmer without the bulk because it blocks 100% of the wind. If it's actually raining I'd wear a poncho....especially if it is anywhere above 5 degree celcius.
Idk about that... I grew up in the Swiss mountains (still live there) and have decent alpine/cold condition experience. I haven't come across any real waterproof/breathable fabrics. Even gore tex soak through, esp at pressure points, like the pack straps and it must be the same with plate carriers and whatnot. Plus it's way too expensive for something that won't hold up anyways. Personally I wear Helly Hansen fishing jackets, the heavy rubberized ones, when I have to be out in the rain. You will stay dry. But yeah, they're not breathable. It's alright in the cold but you don't want to sweat in them. Snow is much easier to deal with. I avoid wet and cold conditions like the plague - esp in the mountains it can kill you. Happens all the time here. Exposure is a very underrated risk. Much more prone to accidents, slipping, falling. Flash floods. Disorientation (getting lost). All sorts of hazards. I find using an umbrella is best for hiking. Generally you have to get out of the weather ASAP. And yeah I realise that won't work for soldiering. The Swiss army uses ponchos. But you won't stay dry for very long. Personally, if I really have to, I use fabrics that stay warm and insulate you even when wet. Because you will get wet so might as well be prepared. Thats the pro way.
Knocked it out the park on this one,A lot of things I picked up from experience and alot in depth information I was not aware of Respects from North Georgia
Unless your operating in the arctic or Alaska, I haven’t needed much use for the higher end gear. I’ve ran Colombia, REI, etc. in Alaska as well as other areas. I wore Costco cold weather gear running surveillance and reconnaissance missions in Kandahar. Eh, to each their own. I’m not much of a gear dork and ran some pretty questionable gear as a n 0321 man and as a contractor, haha! To each their own. Great video, keep up the great work.
What kind of rig chest/war belt with harnass are the gentlemen in the video wearing? It looks super handy and comfy please anyone who knows this tell me can't find online.
What gets me is people who go to events where the weather is not ideal and will go without waterproof gear or a decent jacket. They have no idea they would be screwed if they had to endure that for a whole day or days strung together.
For backpacking 3 months in North Carolina during the summer, do you think the Beta SV is excessive or would you recommend the Stone Glacier M5 over the SV? I found a good deal on a Beta SV Yukon (such a cool color with a subdued Archaeopteryx symbol) for a little over $500. Western NC rains a lot but it also gets quite hot.
Excellent and comprehensive presentation. Lots to take in and now put into practise. I've used mostly the emergency level jackets specifically for their light weight and packability but have gotten burned a time or two in weather that was just too much. I have the old woodland gortex which is bombproof but heavy and bulky. I wish they made a knee length jacket at the 2.5 level that would integrate with the gaiters so you can ditch the pants, which are awful to move in, and you could hunker down in the jacket if need be. Any thoughts on the light weight backpacking idea of the rain skirt/kilt? Perhaps a multifunctional piece that can double as a ground sheet or gear cover. Thanks for the great series. Nate
I just picked up a Beyond Clothing A-6 rain jacket. MSRP is like $650, but caught it on sale from them for $200 (they run sales pretty often). Only one trip out in it so far, but it did awesome
Same. Although their sizing can be a little wonky, Beyond’s gear, especially their US made line, is GTG. When I saw this deal in my size I couldn’t add it to the cart fast enough.
I am a 12 year Infantry combat veteran and I didn't find the Gortex military jacket very "water proof." I liked to wear my poncho over all my kit. Especially when we were not moving on patrol. Usually when we were halted for breaks or meals. I'm not going to die on the "battlefield" wearing $1000 worth of rain gear. Just me.
"these are typically the type of rain jacket for someone who's just... standing there" So what kind of rain jacket would someone need who's just standing there... MENACINGLY?
Wanting to find out what jacket brand and model the gentlemen in the very beginning walking in the rain has. It will be the gentleman with the slightly more puffy jacket in appearance
Wish my children would sit still and watch this because I've told them so many times that we WEAR LAYERS BASED ON THE ELEMENTS and still they want to go out in cotton shirts.
The face fabrics ability to repel water without any dwr is more important than the membrane. Say you have an awesome polyester with a killer dwr vs a soft nape nylon with shit dwr you have a huge difference in performance. Anything you read that says you need 20k plus membrane is nonsense. Hard hard shells crush all the softer hard shells and even more so hybrid and soft shells. Of course they are noisy, but that’s irrelevant if it’s dumping rain.
The most dangerous weather conditions to operate in, are at or near freezing temps and rain. You get wet and youre in the hurt locker. Extreme heat and extreme cold are usually expected and you prepare. Love the educational videos and youre not trying to sell anything expect knowledge!
I've had to explain this while mountaineering - that 'just above freezing' carries a greater risk of hypothermia than 'just below,' because the air is wet and saps your heat more than dry, frozen air.
Near freezing, gale force winds, with torrential rain is the worst weather condition. The wind exchanges the trapped air with every gust and is frequent enough that you don't have time to heat the trapped air before the next gust. Sheets of icy cold rain extract the heat from your body through conduction as it compresses the insulation in your clothing. In this situation you have to abandon breathe-ability in your choice of apparel. Best to wear a longshoreman's heavy rubber slicker or a divers wet suit as you make your way to shelter.
110% agree. I've worked at -40C and up to +40C, and the one thing that had people pulled out the most due to risk of moderate hypothermia was rain during the temps you describe. At -40C and snowing you just add clothing or stay moving. But with rain it gets everywhere.
Launched out for our FTX during maountain phase in a winter Ranger school. Rain started when we stepped off and turned off the day we came back. Some of the most miserable moments of my life were getting into a soaked sleep system in freezing temps. Rain gear and waterproofing are so critical. A soldier casn fight hot, a soldier can fight cold, but a soldier often does not want to fight wet.
@@SpiritusSystems Well said, I also just saw how many mispellings I had in my comment. Must have had a few brewskis before typing lol I promise I'm not an illiterate idiot
Winter Ranger school was the most miserable training I’ve experienced in my 4 short years of the army 😂 Wet, Cold, hungry, and tired are the perfect combo for pure hell
Just make sure you have a way to keep it from blowing around. I'm a big fan of ponchos and woobies as part of my layering system and I use an elastic belt to keep them from getting flapped around.
Contractor trash bags are more durable and cheaper than most disposable ponchos, and more versatile. I just throw 2 in my backpack folded up if I plan on being in the woods more than a night and they're great for keeping things dry if something unexpected rolls in.
@@fungifactory8925 ponchos have hoods, prebuilt arm holes, grommets to act as a tarp… a trash bag is nearly as heavy but far weaker and needs turned into a poncho to use.
I’ve worn the Vertx Integrity shell jacket as my primary rain coat the past few years. I’ve beat on it pretty hard and worn it in some miserably weather for extended periods of time. Venting features and hood removability are a big plus. Deserves consideration for anybody in the market.
Wool. Multiple layers of high-quality merino wool, all the way down to your base layer. You ARE going to be wet. You just need to decide whether it's gonna be from sweat or from warmed rainwater.
Launched out for our FTX during maountain phase in a winter Ranger school. Rain started when we stepped off and turned off the day we came back. Some of the most miserable moments of my life were getting into a soaked sleep system in freezing temps. Rain gear and waterproofing are so critical. A soldier casn fight hot, a soldier can fight cold, but a soldier often does not want to fight wet.
Love this series. I just moved to Alaska from Texas so I’m learning to deal with the cold and snow. It’s so annoying managing layers but I’ve found out the hard way what happens when you don’t do it right. I’m mainly using a combination of stuff issued to me and surplus stuff I bought myself. I hope you guys include a video on cold weather footwear, headgear, and gloves. How you pack all this stuff and what and when to pack it would be very helpful. I’ve been carrying the entire ECWCS with me and dealing with the bulk of it all is annoying. I put all my stuff into dry bags and then use compression straps to try to get it as compact as possible but it makes it difficult to pack and unpack. Great video. Keep it going!
Rain cover on the bag, and inside water tight bags / garbage bag for those that are cheap. Make sure the garbage bag doesn't "open" at the top so any water getting in doesn't leak into it. Zip lock bags etc... Sleeping bag in separate bag.. all PNW 'regular' stuff as it rains 50% of the year.
Just look at what the guys on the fishing boats wear.... Rubberized (Helly Hansen) Jackets. Thats the way to stay dry if you're not counting ounces. They're also a lot cheaper. Also, only wear stuff underneath that retains it's insulating value when wet. But best is to stay or get out of weather anyways. For cold. Goose down everytime. Unless you expect to get wet. Buy the best jacket you can afford. You're welcome 😅✌️
Important to note here that the heavy duty used there is a Gen2ECWCS which is very similar to the APECs from the Airforce, Marines, and Navy. The Gen 3 is on the lighter side.
Great video! I will say that the cheep rubber suits are absolutely great if you are outside in a downpour. No they aren't great for moving but if you have to be standing or sleeping outside with no cover or tent to hide in those things work great for keeping you dry even if you're sitting in wet mud. Not recommended if you can afford something better but they have a place and are better at keeping you dry than a lot of other/cooler options. In a tactical situation I would rather have one of those suits than a $200 "water resistant" tactical jacket with all the bells and whistles. Those jackets will eventually leave you soaked and that is what you want to avoid at all costs.
Worth noting that the big hunting brands such as Sitka, Kuiu, First Lite, etc have big seasonal sales which makes picking up a fully featured 3l shells much more obtainable. Here in MN shell pants are also critical.
Yo creo que se le está dando demasiadas vueltas un corta abierto para emergencias y un poncho Impermeables y lo mejor de todo es un Goretex o Simpatex que tenga un buen acabado exterior y debajo un forro polar bueno y una térmica
I live in WA where it rains 7-8 months out fo the year. I use the military surplus gortex woodland tops and bottoms or surplus ponchos. Works good here, gaiters are a must. Colder environments / mountains can require more obviously.
Id really like to see a break down by vets on layering their kit with the gen2 ecwcs parka.... under the chest rig or plate carrier? Over the kit? And demo how its used during a movement as well as combat in extreme weather
The difference between a $100 -v- $600 rain jacket is, the difference between a smart person ($100) and an idiot ($600) who has more $$ than common sense...PERIOD! IMPO, even spending $100 on a rain jacket is complete idiocy. I'll spend $20-25 for a rain poncho, which has multiple applications -v- and jacket that has only one purpose.
I use a Salomon rain jacket with Primaloft, reinforced elbows. Works great. I bought it years ago but I’m pretty sure it’s 20k/20k. Thanks for the video!
Good information, but I noticed DARC has a tactical urban sustainment course. Would you guys consider making a video on some of the basic concepts of that discussion?
Great video, breakdowns, and great info. Only issue is the price to permance ratios IMHO. You just arent going to get a better jacket than the Arcteryx. Are the others cheaper and keep you dry? Yes. Do they beat the Arcteryx in performance despite the savings? No. Arcteryx is a brand that builds one thing the best. The Alpha SV and LEAF jackets are 1000% more than MOST people need. They are 100% up to the task. Ive seen them surpass the most insane challenges and durability tests in severe alpine conditions that make heavy rain look like a walk in the park.
Outdoor research Foray Gortex II uses goretex paclite and has never failed on me. Took it with me everywhere during last years rain storm in California.
while i don't go out and ruck through crappy weather, what i normally do wear on cold, rainy, or snowy days as normal wear is a delta ace plus gen 2(i need to get the gen 3 as they finally slapped a hood on it now) and a mordor tac gorka 5 summer jacket(got it right before the war in ukraine started but got stuck in the mail for a bit). i normally wear my delta ace as a cold weather jacket or a quick throw on if it so happens to rain and my gorka 5 as my official rain jacket, i also learned what its breaking point is as due to it being made out of a canvas like material....if you stand out in a bad thunderstorm, it will soak through given enough time. now for winter, i wear that gorka 5 as my outer layer and delta ace as my inner, keep me pretty warm up here in Wisconsin. now my only issue is that, the delta ace is like 300+ USD but really good from my experiences and the gorka 5 is basically no insulation at all so you will feel cold rain but still say dry. with them combined, they are pretty effective for my standards during winter, just the lack of breathability kind of sucks so doing anything during winter kind of makes you sweat. just really, been running these two together for a couple of years now and really happy with what i got, just need to get the gen 3 of the delta ace and i will be set for a long while.
Having a windproof layer along with goretex outer layer is hindering breathability, and the British Army's windproof layer combined with smock with Gore-Tex was fazed out, since many soldiers found it to hot to move in. Goretex alone will take a lot of wind away, that's enough really Also, having the windproof layer outside all of the insulating layers, away from the body, helps a ton more. This is because hot heated air that is trapped by the insulating layer is not aired away all the time. The core concept of body mass thermal insulation is to keep the heated air close to the body, and have a matrix of wool or alike fiber that can transport some moisture away. Vest is a great idea, if heat needs to be removed, body will dilate the outer peripheral blood vessels on lower legs, feet, arms and hands to heat exchange the bloods temperature with the outer. Don't do layering on the concept of "i can allways drop a layer when it's hot"..It takes for ever, as a former soldier, nobody in patrol would risk to wait for 1 guy to drop his helmet, vest, rifle, radioheadset, goggles etc to take off a puff layer for later to put it on again. Went out like this, get zippers sewn into your armpits, roll of sleeve and open up the neck..
Ponchos are great for shelters and huddling up in the cold/rain but not great for rain wear if you're moving. The worst problem with them is that they stop somewhere along your lower body, depending on how tall you are, and in a downpour parts of your legs are going to get soaked and that moisture can travel down to your feet from your clothes. They also trap all moisture if you have gear on over top of them. I will say those surplus Gortex jackets are worth every penny. I've lived in those on several continents and in several environments and they just work even in rough field conditions. Not great for warm weather use but great for everything else.
Can you recommend any solid resources for more info on layering? These videos are amazing and packed with info but it's alot to digest. They also only cover the basics so I'd like to find a good resource that really breaks it all down.
Idk man look into what climbers wear basically the most teched out stuff available. Honestly you just have to use it and learn lots of first hand shit to get done.
Many of us live in the Southwest. I pack a Frog Toggs top for emergency rain situations. I think it was $40. If we are speaking about realistic scenarios, e.g. bug out from your home location in a tactical manner, there is no reason to buy a $200+ rain layer. Draw a line from San Jose California to Lubbock Texas. Everything south of there. For us, pack something warm for night time ops like a vest etc. and a cheap compact rain layer for emergencies. (Have a zero degree bag for sleeping in winter in high elevations). The U.S. is so huge that you can't really give advice about weather gear that can come close to being universal here. There are millions of people living in Florida and millions living in Michigan and millions in Nevada. This type of gear breakdown must be regionally specific.
Yep. Some for areas and conditions lightweight dwr rain gear is suitable. Other times you'd want heavy PVC/Vinyl raingear to prevent soaking, especially if the temps are low enough to make hypothermia a possibility.
The difference is the ability to breath. Purchased a cheap, 110% water proof cheap rain jacket, and literally 5 mins after placing it on i was covered in sweat, that began to feel like slime; I'm not a sweater either. They just make you leak due to their inability to not breath. I sincerely believe that you should invest in a quality layering system
I just want to say, thanks for using the word [plural] "pants," instead of [singular] "pant." ...Which the spokespersons over at 5.11 use to describe their "PANT." I find the singular word so-so wrong sounding
Rain jackets and ponchos are stupid. Make yourself a tactical waterproof cape/cloak. It is easy to put on or off, just throw it over a shoulder. No need to stop on a march. You can use it as a tarp shelter or ground sheet. The material is less important because you can easily vent it, there is more ventilation. So it can work better with less breathable materials. You can keep your gun and equipment underneath it, but still instantly access everything. It goes over yoyr pack. You can adjust how much coverage/ventilation you need. It can be made very very cheaply. Multifunctional. You will need some way to secure it properly in hard wind. It might not be perfect when doing hard work, but then again, nothing is. Great for guard duty or rucking. Also, try wearing a fishnet mesh shirt and pants under your base layer. Brynje makes them from merino wool, but it could work well with cotton (downsides of cotton are less important due to the mesh fabric) or synthetic (it probably looks slick melted to your skin).
800$ vs 100$, 100% not worth it. the best gear is the gear you use and have. (doesnt need a 800$ rain jacked) if is starts pooring rain get a 20$ poncho lol.
Most army ponchos are terrible and only people that have never had to rely on them in the field like them. First, they are far from waterproof so within 20 minutes of a heavy downpour they are soaked through so now you are hot and still wet. For the brief time they work they funnel all of the water from the entire surface area of your body straight down into your boots which is unpleasant. I give them points for their use as a shelter and I've partnered up with a buddy to make a passable tent for weeks at a time, but had we known shelter was needed we would have brought almost anything else.
Maybe discuss where items/materials are manufactured so people can decide whether they want to save money by exploiting living conditions of people in a foreign land, or keep their money inside their own country’s economy. Maybe doesn’t matter to some, but it does to me. Just saying.
“waterproof” is an over used word. if jackets are the topic against water, it is water resistant, not waterproof. since jackets when put under water will be wet. waterproof is for items such as watches that have a waterproof rating in depth such as dive or scuba dive watches. rain jackets or rain pants are only water resistant…
I had an Arcteryx jacket for about 10 years! Unfortunately, I bought it in red. The seems finally failed and I replaced it with a Goretexlite jacket from REI which I immediately lost.
Rain kilt+umbrella. Kilt is very breathable and an umbrella can easily be made to use with no hands. No annoying hoods or sweating problem. Just wear whatever you normally wear.
I normally wear a kilt 😂
I don't mean a rain kilt, I mean a proper kilt.
Umbrella is the perfect rain kit for trench fighting or to use in any tactical situation.
Maj. Digby Tatham-Warter, DSO, would beg to differ
We haven't the facilities!
...sorry!
You carry an umbrella in tactical situations? That's fucking stupid
I got the chance to do a small amount of training with the New Zealand SAS a few years ago and picked up a cool kit option. Those guys live in the cold and wet near freezing levels and this is how some of them handle cold/wet weather:
I use an ultra-thin mountaineering rain layer in my kit (like the Beyond jacket mentioned), but it doesn’t go on the outside. Rain layers are often hard and make significant noise while moving. Also, if it gets punctured, it’s significantly less useful. So instead of Goretex, I wear the ultra-thin layer UNDER my camo top. The camo top is a consumable piece of kit that is designed to get beaten up and used, costs significantly less money, is very quiet, and is going to be concealing/near IR compliant.
That sounds like a great idea. I'm wondering did you regularly overheat while wearing it?
@@PromKeptIt can be a factor. The first time I used it, I never overheated, but it was also July in New Zealand in the mountains. I was struggling to keep warm most of the time. I also did this at JRTC in January and heat buildup was more of an issue. I ended up leaving the top of my jacket a little unzipped and just flapped the bottom of my jacket open and closed to get some air flow.
I think your talking about something called a stealth suit. It’s 2 ply goretex and meant to be worn under your jacket/smock which is seen as the consumable item. If you google C P gear you’ll find it.
You're describing the equivalent of a level 4 wind shirt: ruclips.net/video/6GnbqwZ28ME/видео.htmlsi=PcYTVNlnNaQ9pkx
Your description is nice and succinct. It seems to be a nice piece of kit I'd like to try
German military issues rain undergarments (top bottom). Always thought it seemed impractical. Your comment makes me rethink that.
What about the outer fatigues getting soaked, though? Is it not much of an issue?
What's the difference between $100 rain jacket and $600rain jacket? Umm, if my math is correct ... 500 dollars.
And a longer useful life as far as delamination of the waterproof membrane over time.
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To be fair my $100 rain gear is the most sweaty uncomfortable bs and my $600 rain gear is like wearing jeans
So glad my taxpayer dollars helped you get your degree.
The rainy shots in this video, particularly 0:28 are just aesthetically gorgeous.
Just have a poncho for now, will maybe get some full zip pants. This is definitely the best new “gun tube” channel in the last few years. I like the long content, more of no bs just info channel. As a Leo with a preparedness mindset I thank you for putting out this information to everyone who is preparing for the coming storm. You guys should collaborate with dirty civilian to spread your knowledge further. Stay safe.
Poncho with usgo gen1 goretex pants is the affordable way in
Always appreciate this series. My job has me outside all day regardless of weather so a lot of this is pretty new to me as I need to seek out a lot of the same principles for active performance and protection in just about every type of weather.
If weight isn't a huge issue go for Helly Hansen workwear. The rubberized stuff. That's what Alaskan fishermen wear. That's the only thing that will keep you truly dry. But it isn't breathable. But it is a whole lot cheaper than the GoreTex money grab stuff.
Breathable and waterproof is an oxymoron - it just doesn't work.
Wow what a complicated and expensive topic. You did a great job and appreciate the content. I live in the mountains of Virginia where winter temps typically run 20-50F. Occasionally we go into the teens and infrequently to around zero. My critical temp as far as what to wear is 40F. I use a Silicone outer layer jacket or poncho as a wind breaker and light water resistant garment or both, with or without extra layers underneath from 40-50F. Below 40F I use a German surplus Gortex Top. Nylon will not stop the cold from coming through via convection or conduction. My base layer is either a flannel, or BDU, or wool shirt, over a long sleeved polyester tee no mater what else I put on. I crank out the heat with activity and stripping down to the shirt is often just right . The shirt is usually enough for me during activity and some static time. As it gets colder I will add a vest. I switch to heavier weight pants. If I’m more static or temps are at 30 or below, a zip fleece top will be added over the shirt, and the addition of US Cold weather pants. I don’t use LJs till the temp stays in the 20s or less due to overheating. So I have a little less than $300 into Eddie Bauer nylon wind rain Jacket, military style polyester poncho, German surplus Gortex Jacket and US Cold Weather wind rain pants which gives me 4 seasons capability.. I also use rubber boots with Wiggys.com liners in the thirties and below.
Thank you for this! There is so much gear out there, it's nice to have the quality of the fabric broken down one layer. No pun intended. Thanks again.
I used to work in the outdoor business for many years and all I can say its a good compedium. About poncho - I still carry it as you can use it as shelter and in hot conditions when inside temp is even or lower than on the outside - there is no particle movement so breathability does not exist even in Goretex. Poncho is a great kit for weather chanding conditions, not windy but rapid rain/sun changes. I just use it over my LBE if sun comes out I just flip it or roll it on the pack to dry. In high wind it sucks. I like the vest topic input - very often vests are forgotten and Im also a great fan of it. About 2.5 and Paclite - not a fan of it. We had most return and fix claims for Paclites - easy to break and the are "bubbling" - disintegrate. DWR needs to be re-appliet but whats more important re-activated with heat (hair dryer or shit like that)
Rain jackets should be long enough to cover all other layers.
Modern waterproof zips have made poppers obsolete but traditional poppers allow you to vent the whole front without it flapping around.
In maritine temperate wet winters the humidity can be high, so breathable membranes do not work well.
In the UK there are a few other well proven systems. The waxed cotton hunting jacket is popular but heavy and not for mountain sports or carrying in a pack.
The Buffallo pile/pertex system is used by mountain rescue and winter climbers.
Paramo system is another highly breathable sysyem used by professionals.
Swiss here (mountainous area). Breathable and waterproof just don't go together. I wear rubberized gear when working in the rain and that really works but is heavy and not breathable. You won't perform in rain anyway though, so skip that thought. It's too dangerous as well. As to packability, yeah well... As I said. It will soak through fast.
Here it's quite established in pro circles to dress in layers/fabrics that retain their insulating values when wet. That's the real key. Staying warm is prioritized over staying dry. Because you won't stay dry anyways. Guaranteed. Trying is futile.
Cold and wet and mountains don't go together. The rescue helicopters flay over my house when approaching the hospital landing pad and let me tell you, they're busy.
There are a bunch of Wp jackets out there that are 40k/40k and are breathable, packable and light weight. I've used the Beyond Yuba for years under a carrier and it's still 100% good to go. It's only 8oz and almost fits in my pocket. You don't need the jacket to be heavy/high denier count to be durable and 100% waterproof. Fabrics have come a long way in 20 years.
Which models and brands can you be exact- not catching “wp” 40k/40 plus breathable..sounds about futuristic. I’d like to get that as I live in an igloo lol jk but it’s cold
Best I have is Norrona Anorak Goretex pro 3L, id imagine couldn’t be much better water proofing but it’s not really breathable unless you unzip it so breathable is the issue I’m interested in now. Lmk what you recommend
@@NylonschemeI also have a norrona goretex hunting jacket and it's awesome. But only in cold weather. I live in Canada and use it for hunting. But ironically goretex is only breathable enough when it is really cold and definitely not raining. It works good to make insulation layers much warmer without the bulk because it blocks 100% of the wind. If it's actually raining I'd wear a poncho....especially if it is anywhere above 5 degree celcius.
Idk about that... I grew up in the Swiss mountains (still live there) and have decent alpine/cold condition experience. I haven't come across any real waterproof/breathable fabrics. Even gore tex soak through, esp at pressure points, like the pack straps and it must be the same with plate carriers and whatnot. Plus it's way too expensive for something that won't hold up anyways.
Personally I wear Helly Hansen fishing jackets, the heavy rubberized ones, when I have to be out in the rain. You will stay dry. But yeah, they're not breathable. It's alright in the cold but you don't want to sweat in them. Snow is much easier to deal with.
I avoid wet and cold conditions like the plague - esp in the mountains it can kill you. Happens all the time here. Exposure is a very underrated risk. Much more prone to accidents, slipping, falling. Flash floods. Disorientation (getting lost). All sorts of hazards. I find using an umbrella is best for hiking. Generally you have to get out of the weather ASAP.
And yeah I realise that won't work for soldiering. The Swiss army uses ponchos. But you won't stay dry for very long. Personally, if I really have to, I use fabrics that stay warm and insulate you even when wet. Because you will get wet so might as well be prepared. Thats the pro way.
@@Nylonscheme Beyond Yuba. Light weight, packable and 40k/40k
Fantastic video. This should be on a 'must watch' list for the prepared citizen.
Knocked it out the park on this one,A lot of things I picked up from experience and alot in depth information I was not aware of
Respects from North Georgia
I have to say my only Arcteryx jacket fits me very well when in a Tshirt. Definitely preferred when out around town in the summer and its raining.
Thank you ! Top info just bought an expensive waterproof breathable tex !
Unless your operating in the arctic or Alaska, I haven’t needed much use for the higher end gear. I’ve ran Colombia, REI, etc. in Alaska as well as other areas. I wore Costco cold weather gear running surveillance and reconnaissance missions in Kandahar. Eh, to each their own. I’m not much of a gear dork and ran some pretty questionable gear as a n 0321 man and as a contractor, haha! To each their own. Great video, keep up the great work.
What kind of rig chest/war belt with harnass are the gentlemen in the video wearing? It looks super handy and comfy please anyone who knows this tell me can't find online.
It's the 34 Alpha Split Rig with the LBV Expander Kit. www.spiritussystems.com/34-alpha-chest-rig/ www.spiritussystems.com/lbv-expander-kit/
What gets me is people who go to events where the weather is not ideal and will go without waterproof gear or a decent jacket. They have no idea they would be screwed if they had to endure that for a whole day or days strung together.
For backpacking 3 months in North Carolina during the summer, do you think the Beta SV is excessive or would you recommend the Stone Glacier M5 over the SV? I found a good deal on a Beta SV Yukon (such a cool color with a subdued Archaeopteryx symbol) for a little over $500. Western NC rains a lot but it also gets quite hot.
Excellent and comprehensive presentation. Lots to take in and now put into practise. I've used mostly the emergency level jackets specifically for their light weight and packability but have gotten burned a time or two in weather that was just too much. I have the old woodland gortex which is bombproof but heavy and bulky. I wish they made a knee length jacket at the 2.5 level that would integrate with the gaiters so you can ditch the pants, which are awful to move in, and you could hunker down in the jacket if need be. Any thoughts on the light weight backpacking idea of the rain skirt/kilt? Perhaps a multifunctional piece that can double as a ground sheet or gear cover.
Thanks for the great series.
Nate
I just picked up a Beyond Clothing A-6 rain jacket. MSRP is like $650, but caught it on sale from them for $200 (they run sales pretty often).
Only one trip out in it so far, but it did awesome
Same. Although their sizing can be a little wonky, Beyond’s gear, especially their US made line, is GTG. When I saw this deal in my size I couldn’t add it to the cart fast enough.
I did like to use a smock, I could stow my emergency rain jacket in there and wear it under the smock when needed.
I am a 12 year Infantry combat veteran and I didn't find the Gortex military jacket very "water proof." I liked to wear my poncho over all my kit. Especially when we were not moving on patrol. Usually when we were halted for breaks or meals. I'm not going to die on the "battlefield" wearing $1000 worth of rain gear. Just me.
Awesome video thanks!
"these are typically the type of rain jacket for someone who's just... standing there"
So what kind of rain jacket would someone need who's just standing there... MENACINGLY?
Great info that helps in the PNW. Also, not sure why Americans mispronounce it Arc-A-Tear X. It's pronounced Ar-Tear-X.
I want to know what jacket the dude in the thumbnail is wearing, looks sick af
Wow 😮
Marmot precip jacket. got mine for $100. if you ask me the actual real world advantage to gore-tex is negligible.
Wanting to find out what jacket brand and model the gentlemen in the very beginning walking in the rain has. It will be the gentleman with the slightly more puffy jacket in appearance
Damn i never knew there was so much depth in rain gear...i usually just deal with the suck of something decent and roll on lol...very interesting tho
Frogg Toggs for the win , lol. Just kidding but I do like mine for a civilian type use
Anyone have any information about this jacket at 6:15 ?
Wish my children would sit still and watch this because I've told them so many times that we WEAR LAYERS BASED ON THE ELEMENTS and still they want to go out in cotton shirts.
But where dose the gen lll military stuff fall in the. The mix?
The face fabrics ability to repel water without any dwr is more important than the membrane. Say you have an awesome polyester with a killer dwr vs a soft nape nylon with shit dwr you have a huge difference in performance. Anything you read that says you need 20k plus membrane is nonsense. Hard hard shells crush all the softer hard shells and even more so hybrid and soft shells. Of course they are noisy, but that’s irrelevant if it’s dumping rain.
Gotta recommend Arc 'LEAF Gamma SL Anorak. Used it for a year now.. Super lightweight, great quality and not that pricy.
Does anyone know how well the Patagonia Torrentshell 3L Rain Jacket preforms? It’s 3 layers and only $180. It has Pit zips and weighs 400g.
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was waiting for “is it worth it? Are you worth it?”
Even the middle grade jackets are out of my price range..... I think I'll just stay home 😅
My rain setup cost $120. It’s a surplus BW poncho for $30 and UK surplus MTP goretex set for $90. I pieced each part out so it’s manageable.
The most dangerous weather conditions to operate in, are at or near freezing temps and rain. You get wet and youre in the hurt locker. Extreme heat and extreme cold are usually expected and you prepare. Love the educational videos and youre not trying to sell anything expect knowledge!
I've had to explain this while mountaineering - that 'just above freezing' carries a greater risk of hypothermia than 'just below,' because the air is wet and saps your heat more than dry, frozen air.
Right on bro. 100% agree@@Jedwoods
Near freezing, gale force winds, with torrential rain is the worst weather condition. The wind exchanges the trapped air with every gust and is frequent enough that you don't have time to heat the trapped air before the next gust. Sheets of icy cold rain extract the heat from your body through conduction as it compresses the insulation in your clothing. In this situation you have to abandon breathe-ability in your choice of apparel. Best to wear a longshoreman's heavy rubber slicker or a divers wet suit as you make your way to shelter.
110% agree. I've worked at -40C and up to +40C, and the one thing that had people pulled out the most due to risk of moderate hypothermia was rain during the temps you describe. At -40C and snowing you just add clothing or stay moving. But with rain it gets everywhere.
@@Jedwoods I was more cold in Fort Benning in 39 degrees and pouring rain than I was In Fort Drum where it was -25 in the field.
Launched out for our FTX during maountain phase in a winter Ranger school. Rain started when we stepped off and turned off the day we came back. Some of the most miserable moments of my life were getting into a soaked sleep system in freezing temps. Rain gear and waterproofing are so critical. A soldier casn fight hot, a soldier can fight cold, but a soldier often does not want to fight wet.
Sometimes hardship is unavoidable, and sometimes it isn't. Nothing wrong with staying dry if you can.
@@SpiritusSystems Well said, I also just saw how many mispellings I had in my comment. Must have had a few brewskis before typing lol I promise I'm not an illiterate idiot
Winter Ranger school was the most miserable training I’ve experienced in my 4 short years of the army 😂 Wet, Cold, hungry, and tired are the perfect combo for pure hell
@@thecalabungaboyz9500 went in the summer class 10-82, I prefer the warm rain, it also sucked big time.
I love the poncho cause it can cover everything and make a shelter, I think both should be in kit
Just make sure you have a way to keep it from blowing around. I'm a big fan of ponchos and woobies as part of my layering system and I use an elastic belt to keep them from getting flapped around.
Both should be in the kit
Idk man I think ponchos let the legs get too wet- I'd at least pack rain pants to supplement one.
Contractor trash bags are more durable and cheaper than most disposable ponchos, and more versatile. I just throw 2 in my backpack folded up if I plan on being in the woods more than a night and they're great for keeping things dry if something unexpected rolls in.
@@fungifactory8925 ponchos have hoods, prebuilt arm holes, grommets to act as a tarp… a trash bag is nearly as heavy but far weaker and needs turned into a poncho to use.
I’ve worn the Vertx Integrity shell jacket as my primary rain coat the past few years. I’ve beat on it pretty hard and worn it in some miserably weather for extended periods of time. Venting features and hood removability are a big plus. Deserves consideration for anybody in the market.
Wool. Multiple layers of high-quality merino wool, all the way down to your base layer.
You ARE going to be wet. You just need to decide whether it's gonna be from sweat or from warmed rainwater.
Launched out for our FTX during maountain phase in a winter Ranger school. Rain started when we stepped off and turned off the day we came back. Some of the most miserable moments of my life were getting into a soaked sleep system in freezing temps. Rain gear and waterproofing are so critical. A soldier casn fight hot, a soldier can fight cold, but a soldier often does not want to fight wet.
Love this series. I just moved to Alaska from Texas so I’m learning to deal with the cold and snow. It’s so annoying managing layers but I’ve found out the hard way what happens when you don’t do it right. I’m mainly using a combination of stuff issued to me and surplus stuff I bought myself. I hope you guys include a video on cold weather footwear, headgear, and gloves. How you pack all this stuff and what and when to pack it would be very helpful. I’ve been carrying the entire ECWCS with me and dealing with the bulk of it all is annoying. I put all my stuff into dry bags and then use compression straps to try to get it as compact as possible but it makes it difficult to pack and unpack. Great video. Keep it going!
Rain cover on the bag, and inside water tight bags / garbage bag for those that are cheap. Make sure the garbage bag doesn't "open" at the top so any water getting in doesn't leak into it. Zip lock bags etc... Sleeping bag in separate bag.. all PNW 'regular' stuff as it rains 50% of the year.
Just look at what the guys on the fishing boats wear....
Rubberized (Helly Hansen) Jackets. Thats the way to stay dry if you're not counting ounces. They're also a lot cheaper.
Also, only wear stuff underneath that retains it's insulating value when wet.
But best is to stay or get out of weather anyways.
For cold. Goose down everytime. Unless you expect to get wet. Buy the best jacket you can afford.
You're welcome 😅✌️
Poncho is based and should be packed before any rain jacket
Important to note here that the heavy duty used there is a Gen2ECWCS which is very similar to the APECs from the Airforce, Marines, and Navy. The Gen 3 is on the lighter side.
And the gen1 goretex parka is even heavier with its full lining
This video, the intro, the sound design, the color, the EVERYTHING. SO good dudes.
What's your favorite Rain Jacket? Which ones did we miss in the video?
Outdoor Research Foray Jacket.
@@lancet.346 solid option for sure
Trash bag with holes cut in it. 😂 Cause we poors need to operate too.
I’m very happy with the issued Gen III wet weather gear.
Vertx has and is developing some decent rain gear. Stretchy and other unique functions.
Great video! I will say that the cheep rubber suits are absolutely great if you are outside in a downpour. No they aren't great for moving but if you have to be standing or sleeping outside with no cover or tent to hide in those things work great for keeping you dry even if you're sitting in wet mud. Not recommended if you can afford something better but they have a place and are better at keeping you dry than a lot of other/cooler options. In a tactical situation I would rather have one of those suits than a $200 "water resistant" tactical jacket with all the bells and whistles. Those jackets will eventually leave you soaked and that is what you want to avoid at all costs.
Yes. Rubberized Helly Hansen workwear (and alike) is great. But heavy. The GoreTex stuff just doesn't work and it costs a fortune.
Of all the layering episodes, this is the one I was waiting for. Currently live in a dry hell hole but moving to a place where it rains a lot.
Worth noting that the big hunting brands such as Sitka, Kuiu, First Lite, etc have big seasonal sales which makes picking up a fully featured 3l shells much more obtainable. Here in MN shell pants are also critical.
Yo creo que se le está dando demasiadas vueltas un corta abierto para emergencias y un poncho Impermeables y lo mejor de todo es un Goretex o Simpatex que tenga un buen acabado exterior y debajo un forro polar bueno y una térmica
I live in WA where it rains 7-8 months out fo the year.
I use the military surplus gortex woodland tops and bottoms or surplus ponchos. Works good here, gaiters are a must.
Colder environments / mountains can require more obviously.
People don’t realize what rain is until they have had to live outside in the Pacific Northwest during the fall/winter.
Id really like to see a break down by vets on layering their kit with the gen2 ecwcs parka.... under the chest rig or plate carrier? Over the kit? And demo how its used during a movement as well as combat in extreme weather
The difference between a $100 -v- $600 rain jacket is, the difference between a smart person ($100) and an idiot ($600) who has more $$ than common sense...PERIOD!
IMPO, even spending $100 on a rain jacket is complete idiocy. I'll spend $20-25 for a rain poncho, which has multiple applications -v- and jacket that has only one purpose.
Gore-Tex doesn't even breathe when it's wet so I really don't see the point of it, yet most rain jackets use some type of Gore-Tex like membrane
Poncho, Arcteryx Cold Wx Hoody or Jacket depending on Temps, Arktis Smock, a beyond clothing goretex set, and a set of Fjallraven pants if it's cold
I personally like columbias rain jackets when i hike or work i also used a merrel fallon jacket which is surprisingly good
We gonna ignore the rocket launcher in the far right gear locker?
I use a Salomon rain jacket with Primaloft, reinforced elbows. Works great. I bought it years ago but I’m pretty sure it’s 20k/20k. Thanks for the video!
So if you are training in the pouring rain with a helmet on multiple days, is the only way to not get soaked is to use a poncho to cover everything?
Good information, but I noticed DARC has a tactical urban sustainment course. Would you guys consider making a video on some of the basic concepts of that discussion?
Great video, breakdowns, and great info. Only issue is the price to permance ratios IMHO. You just arent going to get a better jacket than the Arcteryx. Are the others cheaper and keep you dry? Yes. Do they beat the Arcteryx in performance despite the savings? No. Arcteryx is a brand that builds one thing the best. The Alpha SV and LEAF jackets are 1000% more than MOST people need. They are 100% up to the task. Ive seen them surpass the most insane challenges and durability tests in severe alpine conditions that make heavy rain look like a walk in the park.
Outdoor research Foray Gortex II uses goretex paclite and has never failed on me. Took it with me everywhere during last years rain storm in California.
Great video. I've been itching for something between my poncho and old USGI Woodland kit for a while now and this really cleared things up for me.
while i don't go out and ruck through crappy weather, what i normally do wear on cold, rainy, or snowy days as normal wear is a delta ace plus gen 2(i need to get the gen 3 as they finally slapped a hood on it now) and a mordor tac gorka 5 summer jacket(got it right before the war in ukraine started but got stuck in the mail for a bit). i normally wear my delta ace as a cold weather jacket or a quick throw on if it so happens to rain and my gorka 5 as my official rain jacket, i also learned what its breaking point is as due to it being made out of a canvas like material....if you stand out in a bad thunderstorm, it will soak through given enough time. now for winter, i wear that gorka 5 as my outer layer and delta ace as my inner, keep me pretty warm up here in Wisconsin. now my only issue is that, the delta ace is like 300+ USD but really good from my experiences and the gorka 5 is basically no insulation at all so you will feel cold rain but still say dry. with them combined, they are pretty effective for my standards during winter, just the lack of breathability kind of sucks so doing anything during winter kind of makes you sweat. just really, been running these two together for a couple of years now and really happy with what i got, just need to get the gen 3 of the delta ace and i will be set for a long while.
Having a windproof layer along with goretex outer layer is hindering breathability, and the British Army's windproof layer combined with smock with Gore-Tex was fazed out, since many soldiers found it to hot to move in. Goretex alone will take a lot of wind away, that's enough really
Also, having the windproof layer outside all of the insulating layers, away from the body, helps a ton more. This is because hot heated air that is trapped by the insulating layer is not aired away all the time. The core concept of body mass thermal insulation is to keep the heated air close to the body, and have a matrix of wool or alike fiber that can transport some moisture away.
Vest is a great idea, if heat needs to be removed, body will dilate the outer peripheral blood vessels on lower legs, feet, arms and hands to heat exchange the bloods temperature with the outer.
Don't do layering on the concept of "i can allways drop a layer when it's hot"..It takes for ever, as a former soldier, nobody in patrol would risk to wait for 1 guy to drop his helmet, vest, rifle, radioheadset, goggles etc to take off a puff layer for later to put it on again. Went out like this, get zippers sewn into your armpits, roll of sleeve and open up the neck..
Ponchos are great for shelters and huddling up in the cold/rain but not great for rain wear if you're moving. The worst problem with them is that they stop somewhere along your lower body, depending on how tall you are, and in a downpour parts of your legs are going to get soaked and that moisture can travel down to your feet from your clothes. They also trap all moisture if you have gear on over top of them.
I will say those surplus Gortex jackets are worth every penny. I've lived in those on several continents and in several environments and they just work even in rough field conditions. Not great for warm weather use but great for everything else.
I have even more hostages in my basement now. There's thousands.
Sir, this is a rain jacket video...
Good job buddy, keep it up
I too “once wanted a friend”.
How do you feed them? Do you have a cafeteria in your basement too? Cafeteria ladies?
Uses blowhorn, "SIR, RELEASE THE SQUIRRELS, THEY DO NOT "WANT" TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU".
Poncho for most of the year, OG M81 gortex parka for the winter
love the editing guys keep up the good content👍
Wow that Riley guy knows how to make even rain jackets look cool on a camera. Best video guy around!!!
Can you recommend any solid resources for more info on layering? These videos are amazing and packed with info but it's alot to digest. They also only cover the basics so I'd like to find a good resource that really breaks it all down.
Idk man look into what climbers wear basically the most teched out stuff available. Honestly you just have to use it and learn lots of first hand shit to get done.
Many of us live in the Southwest. I pack a Frog Toggs top for emergency rain situations. I think it was $40. If we are speaking about realistic scenarios, e.g. bug out from your home location in a tactical manner, there is no reason to buy a $200+ rain layer. Draw a line from San Jose California to Lubbock Texas. Everything south of there. For us, pack something warm for night time ops like a vest etc. and a cheap compact rain layer for emergencies. (Have a zero degree bag for sleeping in winter in high elevations). The U.S. is so huge that you can't really give advice about weather gear that can come close to being universal here. There are millions of people living in Florida and millions living in Michigan and millions in Nevada. This type of gear breakdown must be regionally specific.
Yep. Some for areas and conditions lightweight dwr rain gear is suitable. Other times you'd want heavy PVC/Vinyl raingear to prevent soaking, especially if the temps are low enough to make hypothermia a possibility.
This guy looks just like the dude from hill people gear website.
That's not Gerry from tripple feed?
Must be an evil twin or something
Personally I find the anorak perfect. They unzip enough to zent out heat
The difference is the ability to breath. Purchased a cheap, 110% water proof cheap rain jacket, and literally 5 mins after placing it on i was covered in sweat, that began to feel like slime; I'm not a sweater either. They just make you leak due to their inability to not breath. I sincerely believe that you should invest in a quality layering system
I just want to say, thanks for using the word [plural] "pants," instead of [singular] "pant." ...Which the spokespersons over at 5.11 use to describe their "PANT." I find the singular word so-so wrong sounding
Bergans of Norway, and Norrøna got some great rain/shell gear for patroling/hunting. Just expect to pay arcteryx prices... or more.
Does anyone have thoughts on the Adventure tech reversible pattern tops, I have an M81/DCU one, seems light weight, definitely water proof though
Any data on the waterproofness & breathability of the British MVP surplus membrane?
Rain jackets and ponchos are stupid. Make yourself a tactical waterproof cape/cloak. It is easy to put on or off, just throw it over a shoulder. No need to stop on a march. You can use it as a tarp shelter or ground sheet. The material is less important because you can easily vent it, there is more ventilation. So it can work better with less breathable materials.
You can keep your gun and equipment underneath it, but still instantly access everything. It goes over yoyr pack.
You can adjust how much coverage/ventilation you need. It can be made very very cheaply. Multifunctional.
You will need some way to secure it properly in hard wind. It might not be perfect when doing hard work, but then again, nothing is. Great for guard duty or rucking.
Also, try wearing a fishnet mesh shirt and pants under your base layer. Brynje makes them from merino wool, but it could work well with cotton (downsides of cotton are less important due to the mesh fabric) or synthetic (it probably looks slick melted to your skin).
Holy-cow!! $600.00?? A hot brunette better be included for that price!!
800$ vs 100$, 100% not worth it. the best gear is the gear you use and have. (doesnt need a 800$ rain jacked) if is starts pooring rain get a 20$ poncho lol.
Most army ponchos are terrible and only people that have never had to rely on them in the field like them. First, they are far from waterproof so within 20 minutes of a heavy downpour they are soaked through so now you are hot and still wet. For the brief time they work they funnel all of the water from the entire surface area of your body straight down into your boots which is unpleasant. I give them points for their use as a shelter and I've partnered up with a buddy to make a passable tent for weeks at a time, but had we known shelter was needed we would have brought almost anything else.
If it’s not frontier solutions that in won’t matter. PCU and ECWGS 3rd gen is the ultimate cold weather system for combat operations
Maybe discuss where items/materials are manufactured so people can decide whether they want to save money by exploiting living conditions of people in a foreign land, or keep their money inside their own country’s economy. Maybe doesn’t matter to some, but it does to me. Just saying.
Disney world poncho 👌👌👌
Say Arca teryx one more time I sweaaaaar
Arkh Teryx
Please learn how to pronounce Arc’teryx
“waterproof” is an over used word. if jackets are the topic against water, it is water resistant, not waterproof. since jackets when put under water will be wet. waterproof is for items such as watches that have a waterproof rating in depth such as dive or scuba dive watches. rain jackets or rain pants are only water resistant…
This guy is the fella that rode into town, shot Buster Scruggs and started singing.
I had an Arcteryx jacket for about 10 years! Unfortunately, I bought it in red. The seems finally failed and I replaced it with a Goretexlite jacket from REI which I immediately lost.
Did Arcteryx refuse to warranty it? Seam failure is covered IIRC
you know hes SERIOUS, he got the MOUSTACHE
They should do videos like barrel and hatchet with while they are talking then run more video of them using the gear etc.
Please stop making these videos lol ive been saving up for gear and researching the whole year and it’s all gonna b sold out ;(
Does the nikwax or any other waterproof throw an IR signature when used? I was worried about the sheen on my kit