Ableton Push was always about Session View, which is a fine enough mode for a standalone device. You sketch, jam, perform and make a basic song structure (with Scenes) on a hardware controller. And then you bring your track to a full DAW to finish all the details, including arranging. Just like with any groove box really. By design, hardware controllers with limited screen estate simply don't cut it against arranging on a big screen with a mouse and keyboard. So not sure why people are so anal about Arrangement View on a Push device. If it ever gets implemented it will be extremely limited. Really not the environment where you want to finish your track.
Without an arrangement view, it’s not possible to record audio that crosses boundaries of song sections/loops. So it’s not really usable for vocalists or people who play analogue instruments outside the limited scope of loops. Both Akai Force and Maschine+ are perfectly able to support such a workflow, so it’s quite baffling that Push3 doesn’t provide it. So Push3 will never match those devices.
I record all my music as live performances. So no not everyone uses standalone devices as sketch pads and goes to a computer to geek out and arrange. We are all different just like ever form of artform
Lets see what is left after the marketing hype is over and "real" people will test it. Its a lot of money they want for this device and I only see a few people that really can make use of it, like for live gigs. For home use the standalone is useless in my eyes, it needs more or less a setup Ableton Live on PC/Mac and it will mainly sit on a table. You can operate Maschine+ or a MPC completly independent from a PC. Push 3 is for hardcore Ableton Live users and most of this users do not need a standalone. Future will prove me wrong ;-)
PUSH3 is not a device for professional live rigs. It is a very expensive device that would be so so for a hobbiest. It is lacking in many ways, no midi, no arrangement view, 2 ins and outs for 2000. It really is ridiculous. It is a definite hard no for me and I do use Ableton Studio. I have the PUSH 2, PUSH 3 is not an improvement for what I need from Ableton
Great remark. The complaints are SO similar it can't be a bunch of folks who need their two grand back because they didn't have it to spend in the first place. The rumor is that reviewers showering praise are getting units that have received super Q/C. This is fine, you don't want reviewers to get lemons but it's odd that no review that I've read has mentioned the battery issues the 'real' people allude to.
Beat Drop. Excellent, fair, and objective review you provided. I've noticed the critical reviews exactly mirror my points, below, from around the world. And of course there are some positive points to this beast. . Arrangement View should be available for 2 grand. Despite some of the dopes writing in the comments, most seem to agree that we want in something this expensive to be the complete computer mouse experience but available on a controller. Or at least approaching that goal. This is not that. . Serious professionals are not satisfied with the (still significant MIDI latency). While the provided hardware is mediocre at best, it is a brilliant idea that you can replace the hardware if you like. Again, for two grand, the hardware is inadequate - as one video review shows, the Push 3 standalone choked on Ableton's own demo song for the device. I love the software and there are plenty of great controllers out there. This is not the game-changer many seek, in my opinion. .
but for 1900 and you still dont get the full software daw yeah ok and yall gonna pay that price and this can not and wont ever replace a laptop smh and for only two hours all you get once again for 1900 bucks am good with my push 2
the processor in the push 3 can be found in a laptop that sells for less than $400. I am a little annoyed that they tattooed a "Push" Icon into the browser for the new Live update so now i get to be graphically reminded of this overpriced toy (which isn't even out to consumer hands yet) every time i'm in a session
In standalone (it's a non exhaustive list of what you can't do): - for now impossible to copy/paste multiple notes in edit clip mode. i mean we have a jogwheel to select multiple notes, so we can delete them, change position, nudge, change pitch, velocity, vel range and probability but we cannot simply copy and past them in another position. i mean Ctrl C, Ctrl V is the most basic and useful opération in edition that you can do... GRRRRR - for now we can't access to the groovepool, clip behaviour etc etc.... grrrrrrrr - for now we can't use some max devices such as sequencers - for now you can't map the destination of the LFO effect so to be clear it's just useless to add an LFO in standalone mode. maybe there is a lot of other things that you can't do... to me no arrangement mode is not so bad, i'll have to learn how to use ableton in a different way, maybe it can bring some creativity but this can't do list is just... a pity.
I've preordered the non-stanalone push 3 as I don't have much issue plugging into a laptop. One thing i am curious about is, if they're using Linux to make the push 3 firmware, will that open the door for a Linux version of Live in the future; Live on Steam Deck, anyone? :) Also, if the USB-C port is set up for it, wouldn't it be cool to have it be able to output to a compatible monitor to get the GUI and arranger view? The option of plugging the standalone into something like the Nexdock would be straight up sweet.
I'm not sure. It had great potential to be but comparing it to a mpc live 2 it has less battery hours, no speaker, less io, harder navigation (mpc has touch screen), plus you can bounce a project to an Ableton project with mpc. Also the price of a live 2 is half of a push. For me though it destroys the mpc on built in software but the price is too steep
@@illuzual yeah plus its possible to sample your MPE kit into it rather than sequencing it directly to get MPE sounds into the akai. But its for all these reasons I still use Bitwig software with a couple of mpe and drum pad controllers rather than hardware.
I have another question, hope you have an answer. I would like to buy the controller only version for jamming on couch with usb extension cable from my pc and my headphones connect with push 3. Is the push3 interface working without power supply (usb connection only) ?
You should be good to jam with the just Push controller and a USB cable. Just make sure to use a good cable extension. USB signals can struggle delivering power and data effectively over long lengths as well but anything under 10 feet should work alright!
when you go deeper into the manual it says the inputs ADAT. is only in controller mode. Is this the case or does it REALLY also work in standalone? Cause this is a big problem if it doesn't and would be really sad actually
Will you be able to connect Expert sleepers Es-9 eurorack audio interface with adat to the Push 3 adat connectors? That would be amazing for al eurorack lovers! ✌️🤟👍Greetz Koen from Belgium
While I’m not familiar with that exact piece of gear, I can confirm you can use the ADAT outputs for this scenario! This really opens up the euro rack game with push! Just need to tweak signals with the CV Tools pack.
Not at the moment! The compute unit is actually based off an Intel NUC unit for now. More powerful models will be released in the future but I don’t believe they will be ARM based.
Hi, thx for youre video. I would like to know If I can record vocals with dynamic microphone in standalone mode without the need of mic pre amp? thank you
Yes, there is still a power supply if you’d like to use the LED and screen at full brightness. All functionality will still work with just a USB cable though 👍
@@BeatDropYT Oh.I'm sorry bro! I have a AKAI MPC .Its a "groove box" it's been around for 35years.. All I was saying was standalone has been here..This Push3 is cool but Idk if it will last as a stand-alone...
Yes, sure thing! You hook up everything you need via usb hub for MIDI controllers. Controllers like the Launchpad and Launch Control are also natively supported too!
IT’s standlone-ish to be fair . The IO at the back is lacking…. The screen isn’t touch . No arrangement mode . No SD card reader .. you can’t connect a class compliant audio card wifi file transfer is silly now it needs to be connected to a wifi network and I have to transfer files from a computer? You can’t complete a track on this unit . This is a 1999 dollar sketch pad . It will see the same fate of the machine plus it will be an over priced midi controller.
I wonder if I can install Doom on it
do it
Ableton Push was always about Session View, which is a fine enough mode for a standalone device. You sketch, jam, perform and make a basic song structure (with Scenes) on a hardware controller. And then you bring your track to a full DAW to finish all the details, including arranging. Just like with any groove box really. By design, hardware controllers with limited screen estate simply don't cut it against arranging on a big screen with a mouse and keyboard.
So not sure why people are so anal about Arrangement View on a Push device. If it ever gets implemented it will be extremely limited. Really not the environment where you want to finish your track.
Really well said!
Without an arrangement view, it’s not possible to record audio that crosses boundaries of song sections/loops. So it’s not really usable for vocalists or people who play analogue instruments outside the limited scope of loops.
Both Akai Force and Maschine+ are perfectly able to support such a workflow, so it’s quite baffling that Push3 doesn’t provide it.
So Push3 will never match those devices.
@@hvhvgitaar That's not true. On Push 3, you simply record a very long clip.
I record all my music as live performances. So no not everyone uses standalone devices as sketch pads and goes to a computer to geek out and arrange. We are all different just like ever form of artform
@@MrFunktone, In that case, you never needed a Push device to begin with, just an audio interface would be good enough.
Lets see what is left after the marketing hype is over and "real" people will test it. Its a lot of money they want for this device and I only see a few people that really can make use of it, like for live gigs. For home use the standalone is useless in my eyes, it needs more or less a setup Ableton Live on PC/Mac and it will mainly sit on a table. You can operate Maschine+ or a MPC completly independent from a PC. Push 3 is for hardcore Ableton Live users and most of this users do not need a standalone. Future will prove me wrong ;-)
PUSH3 is not a device for professional live rigs. It is a very expensive device that would be so so for a hobbiest. It is lacking in many ways, no midi, no arrangement view, 2 ins and outs for 2000. It really is ridiculous. It is a definite hard no for me and I do use Ableton Studio. I have the PUSH 2, PUSH 3 is not an improvement for what I need from Ableton
Great remark. The complaints are SO similar it can't be a bunch of folks who need their two grand back because they didn't have it to spend in the first place.
The rumor is that reviewers showering praise are getting units that have received super Q/C. This is fine, you don't want reviewers to get lemons but it's odd that no review that I've read has mentioned the battery issues the 'real' people allude to.
This was the most helpful video regarding push 3 , thank you so much
Thank you! Cheers!
Beat Drop.
Excellent, fair, and objective review you provided.
I've noticed the critical reviews exactly mirror my points, below, from around the world. And of course there are some positive points to this beast.
. Arrangement View should be available for 2 grand. Despite some of the dopes writing in the comments, most seem to agree that we want in something this expensive to be the complete computer mouse experience but available on a controller. Or at least approaching that goal. This is not that.
. Serious professionals are not satisfied with the (still significant MIDI latency).
While the provided hardware is mediocre at best, it is a brilliant idea that you can replace the hardware if you like. Again, for two grand, the hardware is inadequate - as one video review shows, the Push 3 standalone choked on Ableton's own demo song for the device.
I love the software and there are plenty of great controllers out there.
This is not the game-changer many seek, in my opinion.
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For every SSD upgrade do you have to download Linux? The operating system. I think it's very uncomfortable, it should have been on the motherboard.
but for 1900 and you still dont get the full software daw yeah ok and yall gonna pay that price and this can not and wont ever replace a laptop smh and for only two hours all you get once again for 1900 bucks am good with my push 2
the processor in the push 3 can be found in a laptop that sells for less than $400. I am a little annoyed that they tattooed a "Push" Icon into the browser for the new Live update so now i get to be graphically reminded of this overpriced toy (which isn't even out to consumer hands yet) every time i'm in a session
It could if it had an arranger mode on it.
In standalone (it's a non exhaustive list of what you can't do):
- for now impossible to copy/paste multiple notes in edit clip mode. i mean we have a jogwheel to select multiple notes, so we can delete them, change position, nudge, change pitch, velocity, vel range and probability but we cannot simply copy and past them in another position. i mean Ctrl C, Ctrl V is the most basic and useful opération in edition that you can do... GRRRRR
- for now we can't access to the groovepool, clip behaviour etc etc.... grrrrrrrr
- for now we can't use some max devices such as sequencers
- for now you can't map the destination of the LFO effect so to be clear it's just useless to add an LFO in standalone mode.
maybe there is a lot of other things that you can't do...
to me no arrangement mode is not so bad, i'll have to learn how to use ableton in a different way, maybe it can bring some creativity but this can't do list is just... a pity.
I've preordered the non-stanalone push 3 as I don't have much issue plugging into a laptop.
One thing i am curious about is, if they're using Linux to make the push 3 firmware, will that open the door for a Linux version of Live in the future; Live on Steam Deck, anyone? :)
Also, if the USB-C port is set up for it, wouldn't it be cool to have it be able to output to a compatible monitor to get the GUI and arranger view? The option of plugging the standalone into something like the Nexdock would be straight up sweet.
Dang it I just bought the push 2
with 8 gigs of ram this is certainly an mpc killer
I'm not sure. It had great potential to be but comparing it to a mpc live 2 it has less battery hours, no speaker, less io, harder navigation (mpc has touch screen), plus you can bounce a project to an Ableton project with mpc. Also the price of a live 2 is half of a push. For me though it destroys the mpc on built in software but the price is too steep
@@illuzual yeah plus its possible to sample your MPE kit into it rather than sequencing it directly to get MPE sounds into the akai. But its for all these reasons I still use Bitwig software with a couple of mpe and drum pad controllers rather than hardware.
I have another question, hope you have an answer. I would like to buy the controller only version for jamming on couch with usb extension cable from my pc and my headphones connect with push 3. Is the push3 interface working without power supply (usb connection only) ?
You should be good to jam with the just Push controller and a USB cable.
Just make sure to use a good cable extension. USB signals can struggle delivering power and data effectively over long lengths as well but anything under 10 feet should work alright!
when you go deeper into the manual it says the inputs ADAT. is only in controller mode. Is this the case or does it REALLY also work in standalone? Cause this is a big problem if it doesn't and would be really sad actually
Both standalone and controller mode support ADAT inputs and outputs! I have verify this with my colleague
Will you be able to connect Expert sleepers Es-9 eurorack audio interface with adat to the Push 3 adat connectors? That would be amazing for al eurorack lovers! ✌️🤟👍Greetz Koen from Belgium
While I’m not familiar with that exact piece of gear, I can confirm you can use the ADAT outputs for this scenario!
This really opens up the euro rack game with push! Just need to tweak signals with the CV Tools pack.
@@BeatDropYT Thanx ✌️🤟👍
can I replace the Intel CPU to a ARM CPU?
Not at the moment! The compute unit is actually based off an Intel NUC unit for now. More powerful models will be released in the future but I don’t believe they will be ARM based.
Hi, thx for youre video. I would like to know If I can record vocals with dynamic microphone in standalone mode without the need of mic pre amp? thank you
Yes, Dynamic mics will work just fine!
Do you know if you use the Push 3 (not standalone), do you need a power cable?
Yes, there is still a power supply if you’d like to use the LED and screen at full brightness. All functionality will still work with just a USB cable though 👍
@@BeatDropYT Thanks!
2.5 hrs. That's just enough time to start something.. nah to many limitations.
I suddenly feel like I may be using my 404 mk2 much less
Ableton OS? I want Ableton OS, gimme Ableton OS.
No because you want your 3rd party vst to finish your tracks😊
It blows my mind that people think standalone is a new thing
Could you elaborate a little bit? This version of the device was just announced yesterday :)
@@BeatDropYT Oh.I'm sorry bro! I have a AKAI MPC .Its a "groove box" it's been around for 35years.. All I was saying was standalone has been here..This Push3 is cool but Idk if it will last as a stand-alone...
@@larrytan73 Dude, Live 11's software blasts MPC Studio into orbit. A standalone Push is interstellar!
Can the stand alone hook up more than 1 USB to it ? IE like a multi hub to allow various ext in to control the instruments with external hardware ?
Yes, sure thing! You hook up everything you need via usb hub for MIDI controllers. Controllers like the Launchpad and Launch Control are also natively supported too!
IT’s standlone-ish to be fair . The IO at the back is lacking…. The screen isn’t touch . No arrangement mode . No SD card reader .. you can’t connect a class compliant audio card wifi file transfer is silly now it needs to be connected to a wifi network and I have to transfer files from a computer? You can’t complete a track on this unit . This is a 1999 dollar sketch pad . It will see the same fate of the machine plus it will be an over priced midi controller.
absolutely! its a corporate (Ableton) money grab from all the hipsters lol
That’s fantastic! Let’s connect?
Hey! That’s awesome! Let’s connect?