It’s amazing because in my country under yours French is going downhill at an amazing speed too ! Young adults have lost so much vocabulary it’s insane !
For anyone wondering what happened to the first guy, his appeal eventually made it to the House of Lords (which acted as the Supreme Court at the time) in 1985, where it was accepted i.e. his sentence was overturned. The case is called R v Moloney and it's an important case in the development of the law surrounding murder which all British law students learn about
One of the reasons I'm watching this is to listen to Moloney speak and talk about his stepfather. I'd heard my father talk about it. Indeed, shocking. Oblique intent!
imagine them interviewing people in UK prisons today for a documentary lol! ''Ya get me bruv!! I bare wetted him up. In here now fam. Ya get me?? Jail tings, fam....''
Look how well and well spoken young people were. Now go and watch Michael palins ‘confessions of a railway spotter’ filmed in the same year. Look at how beautiful and stunning the uk looked both in London and the north whilst he made his way from London to Scotland.
@@IngramCars They were, standard have slowly dropped, not sure when it started but there are documentaries of highland crofters and people in slums etc that are well spoken, working class accent but quite good at communicating their thoughts.
And then watch the TV comedy show Porridge. Good times to be growing up in England compared to today after the immigrant invasions of the last 40 years.
As soon as "Linda" the gay murderer appeared i remembered i've seen this documentary sometime in the late 1980's or possibly early 90s. Most Documentarys back then were really good, i guess you could say it was the decade of the Docs!.
@@kitharrison8799was the good days of England a time where I would have been proud to call this my home now I dread it. Immigration and adding culture diversity has destroyed England for good. The next generations our gonna be even more fucked!
Your not alone l lived on a farm my dad was a horrible man with drink in him l wanting to plenty of times l had a shotgun when l was 11 many years later l talked him out of killing himself when my mam left him l got no thanks for it why l rescue dogs never been married lm happy doing my own thing
It was in the process of changing. Unions being destroyed plus mass immigration - many of them unskilled. England lost its identity and is now one of the wokest, craziest, places in the English speaking world. Imagine telling these blokes that biological men would hold records in women's sports and that you could go to gaol for intentionally misgendering someone. Sad.
Just come from the 1972 Women in prison. Man alive series. Filmed in Holloway. A woman in the comments section mentioned this documentary so great that I've found it. 👍. I'm almost 37, first went prison in 2004, last 2019. Prison was different (lots of changes) throughout those years, so to see prison in the 70's and 80's is crazy! I love how they spoke back then! And it doesn't seem full of wannabe badboys and chavvy girls. Lol (Not judging as met some brilliant girls throughout the years, but there's always a few gobby cows who's bark is bigger than their bite) .
I'm glad you kept out since 2019! Keep it up. Had a close call a few times,especially, thankfully, never been in. Thought of doing any time with the dinlos you see about these days fills me with dread more so than the sentence! Good docu, there a few good ones on RUclips from 70s & 80s. Good film about runaways in London called Johnny Come Home.
I've been in prison with many lifers,and most of them have told me the biggest punishment is the one they put on themselves, living with the fact that you have taken someone's life many told me is harder than doing the life sentence itself. I told them, tell that to the relatives of that deceased person!!!
The guy there calling Alistair is a relative of mine,it happened many years ago and I was very young. Almost all of the family stories I've heard of it is,,, his dad was very tough on him(a prick of a man by the sound of it) and when Alistair came home from the army his dad continued to bring him down, and from what I've been told by certain family members that the only trueth in his story he told about what happened that night is,,yeah they both went out with shotguns. But his evil old step dad used the competition to get him out, but then started to belittle him and called him a coward and something along the line of,,, even the army couldn't make a killer of a cowardly idiot like you! and then pointed his shotgun at him, threatening to shoot him in the knees Alistair got scared and angry then retaliated, and as you heard in his own words "accidentally"🙄 shot him in the side of the head.
@@kebabtank I'm not really sure what he's doing now, and after my dad died (the side of the family he is from) I don't see much of them much and there is a few crazy relative's on my dad's side lol but I haven't ever met him in person only seen him in this and an old family photo years ago but I'll always remember that story in the family and that is all I can honestly tell you, thanks for sharing this, it was a cousin of mine who told me about this video being on here 👍
Thanks for the info he was a lovely young lad in this film smart too i really hope he got his life back on track you can tell that lad is not a bad person .
Thank you for letting us know what happened for him to be where he is. So sad that his evil dad did this to him. He seems such a good person, I really hope he made something of his life when he got out. Sending some love to him from a wee Scottish lassie. 💕Glasgow 🏴
I have it but you have to watch it with a american vpn enabled its called lifers as well sadly channel 4 blocked it in this country as it caused a lot of problems with the victims family
@@CharlieEdward25 many thanks for your videos . I am out of the UK and VPN enabled . Is the other video on your page ? As I can't see it . Kind regards
In fairness, these guys were a product of the WW2 generation. I think they were more blind about things. More matter of fact. It was a survival strategy used by their parents or themselves. But I still think an army man k own where a gun is pointing though.
In fairness, these guys were a product of the WW2 generation. I think they were more blind about things. More matter of fact. It was a survival strategy used by their parents or themselves. But I still think an army man k own where a gun is pointing though.
@@kc8181 for sure i was brought up by my grandparents grandad was in dday at sword beach landing they where very strict on me i personally found them days a lot better then today
Great documentary, very informative. People were a lot more articulate in the past, don’t know if it’s because of the education system or today’s social environment.
I watched a video today about a 20 plus yr old who cot 110 years because his truck breaks failed. He could have been delivering medical supplies on a regular basis
I had a good time in the Scrubs in the hot summer of 1976. Plenty of books, exercise every morning and evening, a cell of my own, plenty of food, cats running everywhere.
@@rexterrocks I was awaiting a psychiatric decision and was in hospital with Ian Brady and Graham Young, poisoner. Saw John Stonehouse MP when he arrived. 300 young prisoners shouting out from B wing 'Do your bird Stonehouse, you cunt.'
That guy Dennis who killed his mother - why on earth should that guy decide his own fate? His poor mother that he murdered likely begged for her life but he didn’t listen so why should the prison system to him? He wants a quick easy way out because he’s got ‘nothing to look forward to’ rather than serving his life sentence well tough it doesn’t work like that. If someone murdered me or a loved one and then was caught, I’d be pretty pi**ed if the offender got to dictate their life thereafter as to what suited them best like choosing to just take a nice little pill to put them to sleep i.e escape their punishment!
@@ptrekboxbreaks5198 they explain in the video that a life sentence in the uk doesn't actually mean the person will stay locked up until they die, they can be released but it depends when. Most serve p about 10 years.
I'm watching this after just watching the documentary Broadmoor - Serial Killers & High Security, where the hostage/murder by Robert Maudsley was a subject. What a coincidence that his co-conspirator David Cheeseman is starring in this docu talking about the incident 41:28. Great docu, thanks for sharing. Cheers from the Netherlands
1750 Lifers in 1980, Forwards to today The UK has the highest number of life-sentenced prisoners of any country in Europe, the latest edition of the Prison Reform Trust's Bromley Briefings Prison Fact file reveals. There are 8,554 people in prison in the UK serving a life sentence-more than France, Germany and Italy combined.11 Dec 2018. It IS Doubling every decade! No wonder its in such a state in 2024!
Note all the male interviewees had neatly rolled shirt sleeves with a white reverse showing. Shirts like that were a bit of a status thing in those days, with the alpha types picking them out of the stack on laundry day. It seemed to be a thing that professional villains did, as they had a real thing about neatness and cleanliness. They often grabbed a few white towels and laid them on the shelves and table in their cell like table clothes. It was a thing. Many if not most of the rest of the prisoners were indifferent to that pose or too shambolic to care. I reckon the cons in this video were given the best shirts for their appearances in front of the cameras.
Thanks for this insight I don’t feel so weird now for getting a little distracted with the first guys shirt thinking how nice the rolled up sleeves were considering where he was! 😅
The artist guy is fascinating to listen to. Inteligent and articulate, explaining his crime with no bullshit. Eye opener, scary really how one bad decision in a moment of anger could conceivably happen for anyone and lead to someone dying and another being locked up. Heat of the moment.
@@CharlieEdward25 I'd love to see those docs mate. I am very interested in docs from the 70's and 80s, they just have a brutal reality to them. I'd love to see the 'Lifer' series from the 80s as it was originally broadcast. The follow up from 2003 was superb and I do wonder if another follow up is coming up? All the best.
That kids story, and I do believe him, is the saddest thing I have ever heard. Men aren't the same. A 'man' twice his age these days wouldn't be so willing to stand up and take responsibility for their actions. Not blame others. Not say things are wrong and they are being wronged. I feel so bad for him.
Pleading not guilty and claiming blackout drunk insomnia isn't taking responsibility for your actions. The state of these comments. Folk saying the murderers back then were better than now. A murderer is still a Murderer, regardless of when in history.!
@@user-pv9kg9ou1l Well, I wrote what I wrote because I believed him. I didn't think his assertion that he was blackout drunk was a lie to get out of responsibility. I believe he was drunk; things went down just as he said, and now he owns that and is taking responsibility. It's a tragic waste all around - that's what gets me, I suppose.
He said he could not remember a thing due to being so drunk, yet he explained everything what happened. Thats why he was found guilty of murder, he could not use being intoxicated, as a defence for manslaughter.
The last man, well, he was smooth, clever in choosing his words and I think he was very honest. But he was also so eerie! There's something dark about him that I would not trust
I agree, are you confused ? ; that is why he is a psychopath. The point is that these people are bad, not mad, i.e. they are malign, evil etc. Please note that we are hearing his version of events which is not contested, and, surprise, surprise, he presents himself as either not psychologically present at the events (though no mention of drugs etc), or as some kind of victim of circumstance.....No one has to beat someone's brains out with a hammer...if he was being exploited by someone, walk out of the front door......People are in Broadmoor because they are untreatable and fucking dangerous !!!!
Alright mate. There was a follow up to this programme broadcast in 2003 and half were out, half were still in and some were on the run! The young lad at the beginning, the ex-soldier, got out in 1985 on appeal and the man with the drop moustache @ 21:45 is a man called Trevor Kane. He was an ex-squaddie and French Foreign Legionaire (an amazing life story) and he died a few years ago in either Newcastle or Ashton undey lyme. And btw, if any of the others are still in, I'd be amazed. They are either elderly or dead, apart from the young lad, he'd be in his sixties now. All the best.
@@A_M_P_ Some of it is on RUclips in bits and pieces from other docs by Rex Bloomstein and cobbled together. Just put 'Uk prison 1982' into your search bar and go from there. I clearly remember the follow up and recorded it on video at the time. Unfortunately, I have no means or the inclination to spend the money to put it on the tube. Best wishes.
@kebabtank Thank you. I found one follow up video so far. I'm an American so I don't know much at all about UK prisons. This was definitely an eye-opener. What shocks me the most, however, is how eloquent those prisoners were lol
1st class stamps were cheap back then, I couldn't believe it recently when I bought a book of ten I think it was over £10. More than a pound to send a simple letter and I think they're going up again soon.
I knew Trevor Kane intervied in this video 22:11 he died in a subway in Ashton Under Lyne. Freedom is very important, to go out for a walk, stand at a bus stop waiting in the rain for a bus. Things these men could only dream of doing for years and years.
Hello there, many thanks for sharing this sad news. I remember there was an article in the Times in 2003 about Trevor, shortly before the follow up to the first Lifer series was broadcast. And for me, Trevors' story was the most interesting of the lot. I was fascinated with his military and subsequent criminal background, and although he seemed very troubled in the follow up series (I believe he was in his sixties by then) he appeared to be living quite comfortably. He served a very long sentence and had a very chaotic life as a younger man, but it was so sad to see him weeping when he talked about the murder he committed later in life. Could I ask you, when did Trevor die? How old was he? And what were the circumstances? All the best.
Probably George Davis (NOT that George Davis) who murdered an officer by running over him in a jeep. I was with him in 1976 and he'd served something like 27 years by then.
@@dragonfitter 2 wrongs don't make it right...Screws are trained only to use control and restraint techniques by home office approval, anything ie kicks,punches, beatings is a criminal act.
These ppl will all be out now its 42 years ago wow that sounds crazy..in the 2000s i was like 12 and you looked bk at the 80s and 90 and would say its 10 or 20 years ago which sounded ok but we are now in 2022 and this was 42 years ago 42 years and its rare for sum1 2 be given a full life sentence in america life is life
That pianist guy is a strange case. A murderer with a conscience. I just don’t understand how he got himself into that situation. Imagine doing such a horrible thing then ringing the police to tell them
Children even in their primary years were sent to these awful places and because they were simply abused at home in some peculiar way - would like to see documentaries with actual video footage of these things. Clearly this young lad had gone through some kind of trauma, regardless of how good relationship he had with his own father - why else would he be in such a dreadful place??? - something not quite right.
Some people are just bad. Not saying the first young man is but just because someone’s young doesn’t mean they’re not capable of extreme wrong doing. They don’t all have had to have gone through some trauma.
He didn’t have a good relationship with his step dad. His step father was a complete bastard too him who mentally abused him for years. Hardly surprising what happened.
At 21:37 the inmate with a budgie in his cell, theres something about it that strikes me as so sadly poetic about that. A prison within a prison. Two inmates, one presumably guilty, the other innocent and the innocent one imprisoned as a reward for the guilty
He was wrongly convicted in a famous murder case ( he was doing time for that whilst this was being made ) and was released after 20 something years,..he was a career criminal.
@@Dannydawson537 Yeah, there was an update that was broadcast in 2003, they looked at four who had been released and four who were still inside. And you're right, they all looked nothing like they used to. Prison left it's mark alright.
@@kebabtank hi and the difference in the lads was sad just pumped with medication I was in strange ways late 89s and was a very hard place for a 16 year old
One towards the end that pushed his wife off a cliff. Am I understanding this right. Pushes her off a cliff, goes and gets her, takes her home, puts her to bed, she dies in the night, he finds her dead in morning?
The fact that these criminals can talk and explain themselves really well compared to some of the knobs in prison today.
Illiterate, spice fuelled meat heads today true.
Yeah times are a changing for sure, and for the worst in this respect unfortunately.
@cross hatch2 True that!
F**k! Hope that fella is out and about today walking the str8. Army gave him discipline.
I know, now they are illiterate mongs that need sterilizing
Good to see and hear how the English spoke and thought back in the day. Brilliant documentary, thanks for sharing 🙏
It’s amazing because in my country under yours French is going downhill at an amazing speed too ! Young adults have lost so much vocabulary it’s insane !
For anyone wondering what happened to the first guy, his appeal eventually made it to the House of Lords (which acted as the Supreme Court at the time) in 1985, where it was accepted i.e. his sentence was overturned. The case is called R v Moloney and it's an important case in the development of the law surrounding murder which all British law students learn about
Incredible how calm he was. I wonder how long he served for manslaughter and what happened to him when he was released.
Bang to rights
@@1stBowman he was trained to kill remember
One of the reasons I'm watching this is to listen to Moloney speak and talk about his stepfather. I'd heard my father talk about it. Indeed, shocking. Oblique intent!
@@Saxonybedwitch you have only HIS word for that....we weren't there
imagine them interviewing people in UK prisons today for a documentary lol! ''Ya get me bruv!! I bare wetted him up. In here now fam. Ya get me?? Jail tings, fam....''
Innit like you know wot I mean
They don't make convicted criminals like they used to mate, we'll miss them now they're gone
Trust bruv what u sayin? mumzies good yh? Anuwaus wahalli send the ps to mans baby mum ting a dat for some baccy and ting g
@@Man_Raised_By_Puffinsconvicted murderers 😂
brap brap blud
Why do prisons back then seem almost safer and more cultured than British streets today? 🤔
diversity
Because they were.
Too many lenient Judges and do gooders who let thi garbage out onto the street .
Immigration
excellent doco. got depth to it...and no pathetic background music attempting to tell you how to feel.
As a musician I agree with this sentiment entirely - nothing more irritating than unwelcome music
@@Ken_oh545👆This
The standard of sociological documentary and investigative film back up until the 1990s was just much better.
@@robertbryan4640 I’m watching ‘em lately. Great to listen to as I potter around my flat 👍🏻
@KinEllKokabel there was a series called 'man alive' on BBC. Have a look at them.
11:23
"What have you done about your alcoholism now you're inside?"
"Well, I've stopped drinking."
Look how well and well spoken young people were. Now go and watch Michael palins ‘confessions of a railway spotter’ filmed in the same year. Look at how beautiful and stunning the uk looked both in London and the north whilst he made his way from
London to Scotland.
And now look at the state!!
in 1980 you would listen to people on TV programmes 10 or 20 years previously and think they were more polite and better spoken!
So true. Now look at it. Utter shit hole
@@IngramCars They were, standard have slowly dropped, not sure when it started but there are documentaries of highland crofters and people in slums etc that are well spoken, working class accent but quite good at communicating their thoughts.
And then watch the TV comedy show Porridge.
Good times to be growing up in England compared to today after the immigrant invasions of the last 40 years.
Great to see old school documentaries like this 👌
💯 %
You can say that again, pecker head!
As soon as "Linda" the gay murderer appeared i remembered i've seen this documentary sometime in the late 1980's or possibly early 90s. Most Documentarys back then were really good, i guess you could say it was the decade of the Docs!.
It's so weird how peoples accents change over the years. The voices seem softer, yet more mature. Maybe they just interviewed the best talkers?
Kids these days put on that daft rap/grime gibberish innit.
@@kitharrison8799 Also need to add several 'Likes' in every sentence as well.
@@kitharrison8799was the good days of England a time where I would have been proud to call this my home now I dread it. Immigration and adding culture diversity has destroyed England for good. The next generations our gonna be even more fucked!
Nope. This todays generation really is that diffrent!.
The first story is a great example of having a positive mental attitude. Four years in the army can instill discipline.
Stay sober and don't fuck around with shotguns.
Or at least don't do them at the same time. lol
Avoid. Ireland. As. We'll.
No TV's or play stations back in them days, a radio, piss pot and a few scud mags.
Scud mags 😂😂 Tremendous 80’s dialect!
Scud mags 😂
Skin flicks.
Jizz mags.😂
never heard that term scud? wank mags over here!
Scud mags 😂😂😂 Jesus I haven't heard that for years dude. Just spat my beer out 😂😂
@@m75s87I had same reaction mate
A lot of people get life for bumping off troublesome family members - makes me feel a bit better about having no contact with mine.
Your not alone l lived on a farm my dad was a horrible man with drink in him l wanting to plenty of times l had a shotgun when l was 11 many years later l talked him out of killing himself when my mam left him l got no thanks for it why l rescue dogs never been married lm happy doing my own thing
@@StuartWhelan-up8vsbless you Stuart. I wish you all the best.
Stuart glad your doing ok and looking after yourself and your dogs.
Land and property. Wills. Cause. Murders.
Would much rather be in prison in the 80’s that the 2020’s !!
I was lucky to be, than now
When the UK was a very different place
Diversity is terrible.
It was in the process of changing. Unions being destroyed plus mass immigration - many of them unskilled. England lost its identity and is now one of the wokest, craziest, places in the English speaking world. Imagine telling these blokes that biological men would hold records in women's sports and that you could go to gaol for intentionally misgendering someone. Sad.
@@derp8575and you're a russian troll
Why would it be the same? This was literally last century
Diversity is our strength 😂😂😂
Wow iam amazed how eloquent these people are
Shows how the English language has been butchered by outside influence. England was better 20+ years ago.
"So I went upstairs and grabbed a couple of shotguns".......like you do!
What could possibly go wrong??
@@edforbes1563 When you're drunk? Nothing!!
A phenomenal documentary. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
As of 2024 I’d like to see a update video of these mam and their life.
Said it for years the amount of people doing time being drunk/drugged is phenomenal.
Just come from the 1972 Women in prison. Man alive series. Filmed in Holloway.
A woman in the comments section mentioned this documentary so great that I've found it. 👍.
I'm almost 37, first went prison in 2004, last 2019.
Prison was different (lots of changes) throughout those years, so to see prison in the 70's and 80's is crazy!
I love how they spoke back then! And it doesn't seem full of wannabe badboys and chavvy girls. Lol
(Not judging as met some brilliant girls throughout the years, but there's always a few gobby cows who's bark is bigger than their bite) .
Glad you enjoy these few other good prison docs on the channel 😀
Gobby Cows 😂 haven't heard that one 😂😂😂
@@CharlieEdward25any first or 2nd names to the lifers in this film ?
I'm glad you kept out since 2019! Keep it up. Had a close call a few times,especially, thankfully, never been in.
Thought of doing any time with the dinlos you see about these days fills me with dread more so than the sentence! Good docu, there a few good ones on RUclips from 70s & 80s. Good film about runaways in London called Johnny Come Home.
The amount of people in for committing their crimes while drunk is scary
More in for what they smoke trust me .
Alcohol is deadly
Yeah mate drink and these days especially drugs, they cause so many one off offences that can ruin lives too often.
Don't hang out with drunks. It's a nightmare existence. I know, because I was there, once upon a time!!
@@BullyBoxer yes in todays age mate, not back then so much.
I've been in prison with many lifers,and most of them have told me the biggest punishment is the one they put on themselves, living with the fact that you have taken someone's life many told me is harder than doing the life sentence itself. I told them, tell that to the relatives of that deceased person!!!
Exactly James.
Of course you did james ofc you did!.
The searing honesty is incredible .
I know. For me it's the brevity in the way they talk, they just get straight to the point, no messing about.
they got chocolates / cigarettes for their interviews - never trust the television
@@truetothegame2928 who cares
you wouldnt get that with the shits of today.
@@paulmcdonough1093 you do because you replied 😝
The guy there calling Alistair is a relative of mine,it happened many years ago and I was very young. Almost all of the family stories I've heard of it is,,, his dad was very tough on him(a prick of a man by the sound of it) and when Alistair came home from the army his dad continued to bring him down, and from what I've been told by certain family members that the only trueth in his story he told about what happened that night is,,yeah they both went out with shotguns. But his evil old step dad used the competition to get him out, but then started to belittle him and called him a coward and something along the line of,,, even the army couldn't make a killer of a cowardly idiot like you! and then pointed his shotgun at him, threatening to shoot him in the knees Alistair got scared and angry then retaliated, and as you heard in his own words "accidentally"🙄 shot him in the side of the head.
Thank you for sharing this with us mate. I hope Alistair is well? What did he do with his life when he got out? All the best.
@@kebabtank I'm not really sure what he's doing now, and after my dad died (the side of the family he is from) I don't see much of them much and there is a few crazy relative's on my dad's side lol but I haven't ever met him in person only seen him in this and an old family photo years ago but I'll always remember that story in the family and that is all I can honestly tell you, thanks for sharing this, it was a cousin of mine who told me about this video being on here 👍
Thanks for the info he was a lovely young lad in this film smart too i really hope he got his life back on track you can tell that lad is not a bad person .
Someone in the comments further down said that he won his appeal and was released in 1985.
Thank you for letting us know what happened for him to be where he is. So sad that his evil dad did this to him. He seems such a good person, I really hope he made something of his life when he got out. Sending some love to him from a wee Scottish lassie. 💕Glasgow 🏴
Many thanks for this, top man. If you have any more of this series or even the follow up in 2003. I' be very grateful. all the best.
I have it but you have to watch it with a american vpn enabled its called lifers as well sadly channel 4 blocked it in this country as it caused a lot of problems with the victims family
@@CharlieEdward25 many thanks for your videos . I am out of the UK and VPN enabled . Is the other video on your page ? As I can't see it . Kind regards
@@garypilling1968 other video ?
@@CharlieEdward25 sorry you mentioned above you had one of the follow up ones to lifers unless I misread it
@@garypilling1968 yeah i had the latest one its there on my channel but needs a vpn yeah usa i think works
amazing vintage uk doc
this is rare...from the 80s bloody hell verry rare..
A very cold character the first guy. But an army man who didn’t know he was pointing a gun at someone? Not so sure about that.
Couldn't work it out myself probs a drunken arguement possibly we will never no :(
In fairness, these guys were a product of the WW2 generation. I think they were more blind about things. More matter of fact. It was a survival strategy used by their parents or themselves. But I still think an army man k own where a gun is pointing though.
In fairness, these guys were a product of the WW2 generation. I think they were more blind about things. More matter of fact. It was a survival strategy used by their parents or themselves. But I still think an army man k own where a gun is pointing though.
@@kc8181 for sure i was brought up by my grandparents grandad was in dday at sword beach landing they where very strict on me i personally found them days a lot better then today
He won his appeal, got out in 85 .
Just watching this and it’s excellent. Would love to know what became of some the inmates.
One of the best
@@virusoaxzy9727 That great time hear. Just goes to show how people can make a success of their lives despite things not always going to plan.
That first lad is scary, the army created a souless monster
The first man is unbelievable.
why? wtf is wrong with you?
Great documentary, very informative. People were a lot more articulate in the past, don’t know if it’s because of the education system or today’s social environment.
I watched a video today about a 20 plus yr old who cot 110 years because his truck breaks failed.
He could have been delivering medical supplies on a regular basis
I had a good time in the Scrubs in the hot summer of 1976. Plenty of books, exercise every morning and evening, a cell of my own, plenty of food, cats running everywhere.
And the architecture is some of the finest Victoriana I've seen.
@cross hatch2 Blue plastic spoons. big mugs of tea and a cake each evening after lock-up. Bliss!
The pottery I'm not so sure.
I was there in 85 and there were 3 of us to a cell. I'd only give it 2 stars.
@@rexterrocks I was awaiting a psychiatric decision and was in hospital with Ian Brady and Graham Young, poisoner. Saw John Stonehouse MP when he arrived. 300 young prisoners shouting out from B wing 'Do your bird Stonehouse, you cunt.'
That guy Dennis who killed his mother - why on earth should that guy decide his own fate? His poor mother that he murdered likely begged for her life but he didn’t listen so why should the prison system to him? He wants a quick easy way out because he’s got ‘nothing to look forward to’ rather than serving his life sentence well tough it doesn’t work like that. If someone murdered me or a loved one and then was caught, I’d be pretty pi**ed if the offender got to dictate their life thereafter as to what suited them best like choosing to just take a nice little pill to put them to sleep i.e escape their punishment!
Some of the comments here ridiculous talking about how well they speak who cares they murderers and should never come out
Joyce is talking herself in to more time here... "I've not changed"
Amazing footage with the fella who was with Bob maudsley.. mad to see that..thanks
Never at 13 minutes was that Bob Maudsley? I feel bad for that guy a bit.
The guys name is David Cheeseman.
@@paulwoods3161do you know what happened to him? Cheers
@@paulwoods3161 Cheers. I was wondering if he’s still alive.
Cheeseman raped a 16 year old girl.
Getting old is a TRIP
Madness how quite a of these people will still be in prison at this current moment.
this was the 80s now that is 42 years ago u only get 15 for a murder or a bit more none of them will be still in
They are doing 15 years
@@odorlesslebs8055 the very first kid had a life sentence
@@ptrekboxbreaks5198 they explain in the video that a life sentence in the uk doesn't actually mean the person will stay locked up until they die, they can be released but it depends when. Most serve p about 10 years.
@@ptrekboxbreaks5198 He got out in 1985 after an appeal.
Yes. I think people were a bit stronger. I think stoic is the word.
I wonder what happened to these guys. I was nineteen in 82.
“Million pound and helicopter”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👌 classic
Fuck it, just give us a bottle of pernod!
I pissed myself at that too.
I'm watching this after just watching the documentary Broadmoor - Serial Killers & High Security, where the hostage/murder by Robert Maudsley was a subject. What a coincidence that his co-conspirator David Cheeseman is starring in this docu talking about the incident 41:28.
Great docu, thanks for sharing. Cheers from the Netherlands
Here's a canny channel about serial killers its a bit different thats for sure
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The Satanic conspiracy
1750 Lifers in 1980, Forwards to today The UK has the highest number of life-sentenced prisoners of any country in Europe, the latest edition of the Prison Reform Trust's Bromley Briefings Prison Fact file reveals. There are 8,554 people in prison in the UK serving a life sentence-more than France, Germany and Italy combined.11 Dec 2018. It IS Doubling every decade! No wonder its in such a state in 2024!
Note all the male interviewees had neatly rolled shirt sleeves with a white reverse showing. Shirts like that were a bit of a status thing in those days, with the alpha types picking them out of the stack on laundry day. It seemed to be a thing that professional villains did, as they had a real thing about neatness and cleanliness. They often grabbed a few white towels and laid them on the shelves and table in their cell like table clothes. It was a thing. Many if not most of the rest of the prisoners were indifferent to that pose or too shambolic to care. I reckon the cons in this video were given the best shirts for their appearances in front of the cameras.
Thanks for this insight I don’t feel so weird now for getting a little distracted with the first guys shirt thinking how nice the rolled up sleeves were considering where he was! 😅
@@moominmay I knew it would bother some people, so I thought I'd explain.
@@moominmayI think that’s the army tbh, looking at soldiers during the time they have their sleeves exactly the same
The artist guy is fascinating to listen to. Inteligent and articulate, explaining his crime with no bullshit. Eye opener, scary really how one bad decision in a moment of anger could conceivably happen for anyone and lead to someone dying and another being locked up. Heat of the moment.
Sending the guy to the counter for some stamps was actually a rather clever test of honesty
I like the segment from 15:05 to 17:13.
It is refreshing to hear someone talk in this way.
Have you any other rare prison documentary there such good to watch thanks buddy👍
I have a few i need to edit and upload just haven't got around to them yet check out the channel some good stuff prison wise bud
@@CharlieEdward25 I'd love to see those docs mate. I am very interested in docs from the 70's and 80s, they just have a brutal reality to them. I'd love to see the 'Lifer' series from the 80s as it was originally broadcast. The follow up from 2003 was superb and I do wonder if another follow up is coming up? All the best.
Ah - the bomber jacket - the hoodie of the 80s 😂
Sta-Press, waffle cardigans, Ben Shermans, DM's, solo belts & M15 jacket.
30:40 theres a fine line between genius and insanity and this fella is walking right along it.
"I picked up a hammer that was lying on the side" - he's lucky I can never find a hammer when I need one
@@MrGoneTroppo have you looked in the toolbox?
I’m assuming he never got out. Fascinating listen.
Also, imagine how mental the blokes are he chooses to avoid 🤣
Wow!
So this guy was with Mordsley when they did the whole 'brain spoon' thing?
That kids story, and I do believe him, is the saddest thing I have ever heard.
Men aren't the same. A 'man' twice his age these days wouldn't be so willing to stand up and take responsibility for their actions. Not blame others. Not say things are wrong and they are being wronged. I feel so bad for him.
Pleading not guilty and claiming blackout drunk insomnia isn't taking responsibility for your actions. The state of these comments. Folk saying the murderers back then were better than now. A murderer is still a
Murderer, regardless of when in history.!
@@user-pv9kg9ou1l Well, I wrote what I wrote because I believed him. I didn't think his assertion that he was blackout drunk was a lie to get out of responsibility. I believe he was drunk; things went down just as he said, and now he owns that and is taking responsibility. It's a tragic waste all around - that's what gets me, I suppose.
Jail today is 80 percent junkies 10 percent polish and 10 percent just normal guys getting there head down and getting on with it.
He said he could not remember a thing due to being so drunk, yet he explained everything what happened. Thats why he was found guilty of murder, he could not use being intoxicated, as a defence for manslaughter.
You can't anyway. Intoxication is no defence in British law.
he said was going with what evidence says
Why are you looking to catch him out?! Who set YOU up to be his judge?! You're not fit for that purpose..................
Lol
@@nickpn23 Actually it can be used as a way of removing intent from certain crimes.
"So how long you been doing a life sentence " . Reply " o week last Friday now "!!! Jesus
I was in the Scrubs in 1980. It was a hot summer that year, 3 to a cell, 23 hour bang-up.
Must have stunk of piss, shit & sweat 😮
The last man, well, he was smooth, clever in choosing his words and I think he was very honest. But he was also so eerie! There's something dark about him that I would not trust
Pretty sure the guy talking at 44 mins about the murder in Broadmoor is talking about robert mauldley who was referred to as bob ..
He is
The bloke talking at 40:00 plus is not mad. He is articulate, aware and can understand everything he has done.
Pretty sure the guy he calls bob that helped him is robert maudsley known as Hannibal the cannibal
@@quack437 I read your comment yesterday and today in our local paper there was a full article about Maudsley. You are right btw.
@@SimDeck i was thinking that cus the case sounds similar wee fact although hes called a cannibal he never ate anyone
I agree, are you confused ? ; that is why he is a psychopath. The point is that these people are bad, not mad, i.e. they are malign, evil etc. Please note that we are hearing his version of events which is not contested, and, surprise, surprise, he presents himself as either not psychologically present at the events (though no mention of drugs etc), or as some kind of victim of circumstance.....No one has to beat someone's brains out with a hammer...if he was being exploited by someone, walk out of the front door......People are in Broadmoor because they are untreatable and fucking dangerous !!!!
He's a nonce, called David Cheeseman
Am on a life sentence not for murder but to protect the public. My minimum tarrif was 7 years only got out 11 months ago now
Just actually read this how's it going bud must be mad coming out after that long hope u keeping well bro
What happened? I mean if u were protectin other ppl how u get so much time
So many faults in the convictions delivered. One questions the suitability of the jury system.
The punishment is losing their liberty that doesn’t mean treat them like animals. Treat people like animals they’ll act like animals.
Reminds me of release for early dinners at school..Treacle Tart. Only if you’re good, mind!
The guy talking at 40 mins plus deserves a whole life sentence
Amazing that the prisoners serving a life sentence back then speak more clearly and have more dignity than most people nowadays.
I wonder what happened to all these lifers. How many of them would still be inside today, 40 years on.
Alright mate. There was a follow up to this programme broadcast in 2003 and half were out, half were still in and some were on the run! The young lad at the beginning, the ex-soldier, got out in 1985 on appeal and the man with the drop moustache @ 21:45 is a man called Trevor Kane. He was an ex-squaddie and French Foreign Legionaire (an amazing life story) and he died a few years ago in either Newcastle or Ashton undey lyme. And btw, if any of the others are still in, I'd be amazed. They are either elderly or dead, apart from the young lad, he'd be in his sixties now. All the best.
@@kebabtankthank you for the update.
@kebabtank Where can we find the 2003 follow up?
@@A_M_P_ Some of it is on RUclips in bits and pieces from other docs by Rex Bloomstein and cobbled together. Just put 'Uk prison 1982' into your search bar and go from there. I clearly remember the follow up and recorded it on video at the time. Unfortunately, I have no means or the inclination to spend the money to put it on the tube. Best wishes.
@kebabtank Thank you. I found one follow up video so far. I'm an American so I don't know much at all about UK prisons. This was definitely an eye-opener. What shocks me the most, however, is how eloquent those prisoners were lol
End part ,the fella sounds like red at his parole meeting at end off shawshank film 🤔
Lifer (1983) Rex Bloomstein / Thames Television
Anyone know where I can find the end of this documentary?
It made rather a mess ... 😬
That's a manslaughter charge
Rubber dolls for prisoners 😂 . We must start a campaign for rubber dolls .
His ass is getting pummeled
More like dildos
1st class stamps were cheap back then, I couldn't believe it recently when I bought a book of ten I think it was over £10. More than a pound to send a simple letter and I think they're going up again soon.
Different criminals back then unlike today
Todays generation aint got a patch on ours! They dont even come close
Fascinating.
I knew Trevor Kane intervied in this video 22:11 he died in a subway in Ashton Under Lyne. Freedom is very important, to go out for a walk, stand at a bus stop waiting in the rain for a bus. Things these men could only dream of doing for years and years.
Thank you for sharing sad to hear that 😢
Hello there, many thanks for sharing this sad news. I remember there was an article in the Times in 2003 about Trevor, shortly before the follow up to the first Lifer series was broadcast. And for me, Trevors' story was the most interesting of the lot. I was fascinated with his military and subsequent criminal background, and although he seemed very troubled in the follow up series (I believe he was in his sixties by then) he appeared to be living quite comfortably. He served a very long sentence and had a very chaotic life as a younger man, but it was so sad to see him weeping when he talked about the murder he committed later in life. Could I ask you, when did Trevor die? How old was he? And what were the circumstances? All the best.
@@kebabtank ruclips.net/video/8yNevA1L8F0/видео.html
@@Sameoldfitup Many thanks.
“I’ll have a pair of breast before I get out” ........you’ll have a sore arse first mate!!! 😂😂😂
So sad really how a persons life can be changed forever because of a serious wrong action.
What about their dead victims ? Their lives have also been changed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He’s a VERY articulate young Man. Surely he would be better off in a High powered career.
If all screws were like this guy talking with the inmate prisons would run more smoother there is good screws you know give respect to them
We all know you was the screws favourite con . You was definitely the screws teaboy
I wonder when it said average time spent in prison for life is 10 years there is one man who been inside for 30 year, wonder if that was Bronson
jnicemint ahh okay 👍
Couldn't of been.
Charlie was sentenced in '74 this is in '82 he'd of only been inside for 8yrs when this was filmed. ✌️
Probably George Davis (NOT that George Davis) who murdered an officer by running over him in a jeep. I was with him in 1976 and he'd served something like 27 years by then.
@@nickpn23 Do you know if George Davis was ever released?
He only got 3 years or something for robbery and never came out..
Screws were brutal in the Scrubs in the 80s and early 90s.
Kevin Murphy all prisons back then was brutal
I would imagine when dealing with men as violent as these that brutal would be the best way to keep them in order
@@dragonfitter 2 wrongs don't make it right...Screws are trained only to use control and restraint techniques by home office approval, anything ie kicks,punches, beatings is a criminal act.
@@kevm4035 true but shame it doesn't work like that 😕
I'm assuming it's just like Scum
like the piano bit 👍
Hmm yeah ok I can’t believe a soldier of 4 years doesn’t know muzzle discipline 😂
did you record this yourself fab quality
BlytheWorld1972 it’s 1980 dumbass what did you expect?
@@jaycool5285 😂😂😂
@@jaycool5285 what are you talking about ya fuck .
These ppl will all be out now its 42 years ago wow that sounds crazy..in the 2000s i was like 12 and you looked bk at the 80s and 90 and would say its 10 or 20 years ago which sounded ok but we are now in 2022 and this was 42 years ago 42 years and its rare for sum1 2 be given a full life sentence in america life is life
The last chap speaks really well but he could be that 1 in a 100 who could kill again.
I know what you mean. He's probably long gone now.
This is from 1982 and not 1980 as the title says
That pianist guy is a strange case. A murderer with a conscience. I just don’t understand how he got himself into that situation. Imagine doing such a horrible thing then ringing the police to tell them
Children even in their primary years were sent to these awful places and because they were simply abused at home in some peculiar way - would like to see documentaries with actual video footage of these things. Clearly this young lad had gone through some kind of trauma, regardless of how good relationship he had with his own father - why else would he be in such a dreadful place??? - something not quite right.
Some people are just bad. Not saying the first young man is but just because someone’s young doesn’t mean they’re not capable of extreme wrong doing. They don’t all have had to have gone through some trauma.
He didn’t have a good relationship with his step dad. His step father was a complete bastard too him who mentally abused him for years. Hardly surprising what happened.
@@matty6848 I agree totally and your comment has got a thumbs up!
@@ShikiraPressley thanks😊👍🏻
Probably did a couple of tours in Nr Ireland, maybe three in 4 years.
At 21:37 the inmate with a budgie in his cell, theres something about it that strikes me as so sadly poetic about that. A prison within a prison. Two inmates, one presumably guilty, the other innocent and the innocent one imprisoned as a reward for the guilty
He was wrongly convicted in a famous murder case ( he was doing time for that whilst this was being made ) and was released after 20 something years,..he was a career criminal.
That's why it's called doing bird.
You're locked in a cage like a bird.
11.20
Hard getting off the booze when you have an alcoholic doctor.😁
I'd love to see an update on the people in this.
@boxing fan uk yeah it's here on my channel I'm sure
Pretty sure I’ve seen it it takes you to the 90s and most of these guys are in hospitals and don’t look nothing like they did
@@Dannydawson537 Yeah, there was an update that was broadcast in 2003, they looked at four who had been released and four who were still inside. And you're right, they all looked nothing like they used to. Prison left it's mark alright.
@@kebabtank hi and the difference in the lads was sad just pumped with medication I was in strange ways late 89s and was a very hard place for a 16 year old
@@Dannydawson537 Alright mate. Sorry to hear about your stay inside, I just hope that you stayed out and made something of your life.
Playing Lewis Collins at 1:26:24. 'When You Come Hone Again'. cosmic.
One towards the end that pushed his wife off a cliff. Am I understanding this right. Pushes her off a cliff, goes and gets her, takes her home, puts her to bed, she dies in the night, he finds her dead in morning?
Guy near beginning describing how he shot his father in detail, then says he doesn't remember a thing, that he had total amnesia.
I must have seen this decades ago because I remember my dad laughing out loud at the you're an attractive woman comment.
The penal system isn't designed to rehabilitate. It's designed to break. No such thing as reform.
True, but many people cannot be reformed anyway.
i was reformed 100%
@@eyefishinggunkchannel1011 You reformed you not the prison system
Certainly was true, I couldn't tell you about nowadays.
The Scandinavian prison systems would beg to differ.