"Women in prison" Man Alive Series (1972 Documentary)
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- ''Women In Prison'' is the first documentary film about women in prison in the United Kingdom, which won a BAFTA Award for best documentary. Produced by Jenny Barraclough in 1972.
For more information about Jenny Barraclough and her work in documentary television, please visit:
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New sub. Thank you so much for this. I’m 71 and today’s tv is just utter rubbish. I love these older documentaries
More of these documentaries please
Absolutely concur, so good to actually watch something worthwhile. I'm 62, my head space not in this era. Thanks so much
when television had meaning.
I loved ‘Man Alive’ and ‘World in Action’ fabulous documentary programmes
Agreed. Genuine productions from the 70’s were eye opening to say the least.
It's almost unthinkable that we'd get this level of honesty in today's broadcasting. I really think that during the Cold War we had a vision of what we didn't want to be as far as free speech and the expression of ideas are concerned. Since the 90s we've slowly started morphing into what we were against as a supposedly "free" society.
@@Wulfyr
Well said ❤
1972: 40k male prisoners and 1k female. 2023: 83,128 men and 3,259 women in prisons in England and Wales
The statistics are criminal!
Immigration and drugs that's the difference 🤔
@@garywheeley5108 you hit the nail in the head but I'm surprised the figures aren't higher.
You don’t get banged up for the majority of crimes these women committed ! Otherwise it would be significantly higher now imo
Population has doubled in the UK since 1972 so pro rata for men it remains the same . I am sure there are more people in prison for trivial offences back in 1972 mind ! Mind ...go back another 100 years to 1872 and you would be in prison for 3 days hard labour just because you were loitering in the street .
What great time capsules these videos are. I was born in 1970. I wish BFI or Network would release all of Man Alive, Arena etc
Arena was brilliant, wasn't it👍
Me too
Thanks for uploading this. I'm 53, so a little bit too young to remember it, but it certainly was very interesting.
same here but these woman in this episode are the same age as my mother which made me think and laugh!
I was remanded to holloway for 3 weeks back in the 90 's it was enough to scare me into changing my life around from the day i was released and never looked back
When people were more intelligent no matter who they were than they are no today. They spoke better and they thought better!
So true seems to be case
In a lot of these old documentaries
If you ever venture out of the ridiculous little bubble you live in and talk quietly and intelligently to people, you'll realise that your comment is complete nonsense.
Watching in 2024....wow how times have changed! Thanks Jenny for posting 😊
@32:32 Old Holborn dog-end-dog-end rollies. Now that, is doing some hardcore chokey! This was an excellent watch, and I would like thank yo for taking the time to upload it.
Yeah and the screw gaslighting the ladies just after?! Horrible harpies imo 🫡
Nothing wrong with Old Holborn gaspers…with the price of fags, I still smoke em.
What a wonderful snapshot in time. .......Cheers.
This was a wonderful documentary. Thank you for posting.
Thank you for such a nice comment.
Jenny
utterly compelling actually brilliant , these women are are either gone or in their 70,s unbelievable to be truthful , thanks for this , jenny barraclough
@@jennybarraclough8112 fantastic documentary. I have been watching lots of your work on RUclips and loving it. I would love to know what happened to these women after they left prison.
@@nogingerfool1 I am still alive.76
@@elsiebroadhurst3923 good to hear , hope it all went well for you and the others in the long run x
I'm 67 and a remember watching them.
It's quite good to go back down memory lane.
Locking up a young lassie with a 3 month old baby just for soliciting…..that’s so sad.
I agree and could really harm the relationship she has with her baby if she misses out on those early months. Also its moral judgment rather than a crime. Hope her life and that of her baby turned out well.
It is the only way.
in today's world most of these ladies would never have been sent to prison just a suspended sentence
It's postings like this that make RUclips a fantastic place for entertainment. I just don't have the time to watch them all lol.
Why don't just listen, while ur doing what ever😊
This was so interesting. Thank you for uploading xx
This must have been filmed before february 1971 as they are talking about old currency.
I am so pleased you enjoyed it
Jenny
I remember a lady called Judy Pape have i got her name right please .She sent me flowers and a bottle of wine. She worked for the BBC. Jenny Baraclough.
Thank you so much for the upload
then, young and still an old woman in her manners.. says something about our perception and how the generations work.. fascinating at the least
I'm so pleased to hear that - hope they include some of mine!
Jenny
When i look back on this and think about the lady that was in there for not having a TV licence she had five children and could not read or write .How times have changed .
Hiya Elise, I saw you commented on other comments that you were in the documentary- I didn’t hear you in the documentary or them say why you were inside. Can I be nosy and ask what you were in for please? I hope you’re doing well c
@@NinnersNanners It was for shplifting.
Hello Elsie, what was a TV license? I'm from the States, and in the 70's our television was free. Are you saying you had to pay to watch the regular channels back then?
@@marine4lyfe85 yup- still have to pay for Tv if it’s cable/satellite now regardless
Is that you (Elsie) @ 13:09 ?
Brilliant documentary often wondered what it looked like in the old holloway prison
My goodness we don’t have polite detainees like that today !
It's the edit. How many women were in this film out of the hundreds of inmates, half a dozen at most? It might just be that these days they believe the disruptive ones make a more sensational story, than the articulate likeable few. Where were the unstable women in this doc? Were they not there because they didn't exist, or because the film-makers chose not to include them?
I have watched this documentary many times, each time, seeing & hearing something different. It’s a delightful film.
@4th_Lensman_of_the_apocalypse
It’s a fascinating documentary.
@4th_Lensman_of_the_apocalypse
Fascination is in the eye of the beholder!!
Thanks for posting Jenny 🥰
6:48
What a lovely well spoken soul Sandra is.
Probably the victim of circumstances with being separated & having a young baby .
She should have been given help not prison.
I do hope her life turned out for the better .
I couldn't agree more, is prison the best thing for any of these women ? I very much doubt it. I'm sure some some women with problems would rather be in prison but that says more about the person and their problems than the positives of the prison system.
Thank you,
Jenny
29:10 the old Golden Wonder crisp bag design! God, that takes me back.
Very interesting documentary and slice of history. All the women were great characters.
Criminals every one and some very nasty offences
@@paulwebb6087some of the crimes were extremely petty, but people always look at the past with rose tinted spectacles.
Thank you for this Jenny. I do recall a series called 'Lifer' in the early eighties that followed several people serving life sentences. The follow up in 2003 was very shocking, as some of them were still inside.
I don't recall it being a series but one long documentary...
The followup to it was very interesting indeed although one had managed to escape if i recall
Thank you for your interest. We should have a greater understanding of why people end up in prison, so often its help they need not punishment.
I will check that one out. Thanks
The clue is in the sentence life should mean life
Well they would be wouldn't they! Lol.
Holloway was the biggest eye opener i had when being in prison service.
I was told 2002 you will never experience anything like this and how true they were.
I'm thoroughly enjoying these windows on the past that you made in the early 70's, Jenny. It seems to me that they have become priceless artefacts. Interestingly, the stated ratio of 40 male prisoners to 1female has altered little, according to my quick data search; but the numbers have doubled...77 thousand males to 3.4 thousand females in 2020. (x3.5 increase for female prisoners).
Population increase.
Not forgetting mentally ill Men in todays Womens prisons .
I wish they had interviewed the old dear she looked a bit like Lizzie Birdsworth from the Wentworth Detention Centre. Makes you wonder whether Reg Grundy had seen this documentary. One of the others looked a bit like Franky Doyle....
Yeah my first thought was Prisoner!!
It's crazy to think that my mother (born in 1971) was only 1-year-old (probably not even) when this docu-
mentary was made. She had me at 17, and I just turned 34 in June. 🥺💔💘
@DonnellOkafor-pd7yn…I’m guessing you’re religious right? 🙄
@DonnellOkafor-pd7yn I realize that, but she had an extremely awful and dysfunctional childhood. 🤦🤷
so interesting Carol talks in the Myra Hindley prison documentary. It seems to be such a nice prison compared to what we have today.
Carol seemed like a really good friend to Myra, and Myra really took advantage of that. Very interesting to see more of Carol. I wonder if the prison guard, Pat, was in the picture yet.
I love the honesty of that woman, who said that she turned to crime because she was too lazy to get a job
Is that honesty though?
@@DenkyManner yes no excuses or race card pulling like you'd get now
@@MattPearman-qr4sqI’m assuming you’re white, or you’d know there is no “race card”. There’s simply structural and systemic racism, but you wouldn’t experience that would you?
@@jaijai5250there is absolutely a race card. You just admitted it
@@mickeyshooter5298 well said he @jaijai5250 walked right into this one 😂
When did people lose the ability to speak reflectively and interactively...
When the internet happened.
Fascinating. I loved Muriel was she from Leicester? Connie, work with women like that today. The Welsh woman was ace! Thank you for sharing I work with women released from Prison today.
Great documentary.
Absolutely brilliant born in 75 hows things have changed watching this in Carlisle Cumbria ❤❤❤❤
Not from raffles I hope, used to live on the end of botchergate, grey street.
@@Inkslinger123 Yeh funny enough 25 Dalton Ave Raffles lol moved here from out west nearly 30 years ago. Where do you live now pal👍
Nice bunch of ladies! I hope they
were ok with their lives after
being in prison 💖
Save sympathy for their victims
@@paulwebb6087 Pathetically shallow minded comment, try developing some basic depth.
Nice work Jenny. Absolutely disgraceful locking up grandmas etc. These ladies were angels imo. God bless every single one of them 🤜🤛
A wonderful time capsule, back in the days when Women were proper ladies and could speak properly with no slang or without swearing.Not a tattoo or piercing in sight. As someone over 60 i find myself constantly looking back to the 70's as times were hard but a lot better than the entitled generation now
If your in your 60s, you’re a boomer. Boomers were the most entitled generation in history. They took from their parents and they take from their children. The first generation whose children are worse off than them elves. Don’t talk about entitlement.
True. Some of the women inside now are quite terrifying compared to these.
@@tonggao08Some women look, and act, worse than any man these days. Teenage girls, in gangs, are worse than lads. It's frightening
Thank you so much for sharing - was there a second part at all?
the lady on the 30 minute mark is so strong, her ability to adapt, her structure, her amazing outlook and positivity has really touched me
20 yrs before I was housed in holloway I was in and out for 2 yrs this was alot different to when I was there
The girls who went there used to call it the Holloway inn...lol
Thank you so much Jenny. Loved this film, like going back in time. I was a teenager in the 70's, it was a great decade. Life back then might look grim but to us living it, it was all we knew, , it was normal. I am shocked and saddened to learn that Jean St Clair, the actress who burnt down her husband's gallery, died shortly after gaining her freedom. She gave brilliant performances during her interviews. Also loved Carole's honesty. All the women were brilliant, I bet they enjoyed seeing themselves on telly. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
You feel sorry for an arsonist, are you for real
@@paulwebb6087 I am sorry she died so young. She served her time in prison for her crime.
@@paulwebb6087 The interviewer was just as bad suggesting it was a waste of tax payer's money that she was in prison. Like these other lower class women who prostituted themselves or shoplifted should be in here, but not a nice upper class lady like you... you should be able to burn down as many buildings as you like. God, what a life with all these lapdogs licking your face.
@@paulwebb6087 You've got a real chip on your shoulder regarding these women ~ yes they commmitted crimes but quite frankly most of them shouldn't have been in prison. People like Hindley are the ones who should be locked up.
Jean Margaret Alice St Clair (23 September 1920 - 29 June 1973) was an English actress. She made several film appearances, including The Great St Trinian's Train Robbery in 1966. She was on TV also, Dad's Army and The Saint.
this is brilliant
I wonder if any of these ladies now their late 70’s + have watched themselves on this. I hope their lives improved.
There is one in the comments section called Elsie .
Where is part 2 of this?
I love it!!!!!
Thank you so so much😃
Keep yourself safe and with good health🙂
Greetings from Lillesand🇧🇻
Thank you!
That woman splitting the matches - ingenious.
Man Alive really did put some good fly on the wall documentaries.
How sedate and polite they all were! And wearing their own clothes!
1:54 can't wait to find out what Lady Muck did. Beat up one of her butlers? Oh, not far off... set fire to her husband's art gallery. If any of those other women had have been in there for setting fire to a public building, no way would he have suggested it was a waste of tax payer's money to send them to prison, no matter how articulate they were. Must be great having people so eager to please like they were your pet dog.
Such a great program. Why don't we see such things now?
First class thanks 🥃 x
I donno why, but as a kid, the theme tune to this made me sad ... watching this, I now know why...
The tune is in a minor key, these usually have a “sad” sound
incredibly interesting. there's tons of docs on female prisoners now but back then there were practically none. very very interesting.
i'm actually american but alot of people tend to want to idealize the past but i remember the 70's were extremely dark. and i was only a kid at the time and even i remember it vividly. i imagine it was much the same in other countries.
and, of course, this being from the u.k. there's no shortage of mullets.
Pardon me but isn’t the US the home of the mullet? No misrepresentation here please.
@@DDandrums Mullets are back in now
@@DDandrums Without doubt.
So articulate, well spoke and polite! Society has turned to trash now because of liberalism and open b0rders. I hate the political classes who unleashed these policies on us.
It does feel like that. I have no doubt the 70s had its profound problems, and was hard and quite poor, but it feels like utter chaos now.
And to think these women would have been considered scum at the time and here's us admiring their manners and conduct. Sad indictment on today.
Having to go out on the game when you just had a baby, shows how hard life was for her. I hope she and her baby had happier days.
She was only in for 3 months, and with support from her husband, the foster mother, and benefits, I’m sure they were fine.
Life is all memory
I've been looking for the 1992 holloway documentary but can't find it
At 1:00:23 in September 1972, Governor Dorothy Wing took Myra Hindley for a walk outside the prison, which caused a storm of controversy. I wonder how long before that incident this was filmed?
As somebody pointed out there may be references to pre decimalisation currency, so filmed before Feb 71. She also had a relationship with a female guard. I vaguely remember seeing her a couple of times while visiting prison (in my early teens) it must have been at Holloway, although I incorrectly thoughgt it was at Drake Hall or Cookham
Wood.
Facinating I was 7 years of age when this was filmed I’m now 60.The same problems are faced by each new generation in the journey of life we think at the time we are unique we are not.
Does anyone have part 2 of this "Women in Prison: 2 - The Way Ahead?" ?
Myra Hindley was in Holloway at the time. Did you have any interaction with her during filming, or was she strictly off limits? I can imagine it would be an instant no-no having her on film. Apparently the cell she was in appears!
I’ve just read that too, the film crew walked past her cell. So I thought Id look at this.
My old boss had a story about her. She was in Probation at the time. It was standard to go to Hindley's cell and jeer and swear at her, even for enforcement, because she was so despised. She went and looked into her cell. Hindley just sat with her back to her, and didn't move or react to anything she said. Only then she noticed Hindley was staring right at her in a small mirror. Shudder! All true.
The Governor who appears at 1:00:19 actually took Myra Hindley out on many day trips around London , Hyde Park .. etc .... Unbelievable !!!
What did Muriel say the last bit of tobacco tastes like? Did she say "pot smoke"?
"Horse muck"
Dog muck
Hi Jenny, do you have any further information on the women featured in this documentary.
thats the thing would love to know how they all ended up , some will be gone and the others will be oaps , now , hope they all had a happy ending , peace x
@@nogingerfool1 i would love to know this too. A follow up documentary would be so interesting.
Alas no but thank you for your interest.
Jenny
I would love to know what happened to Carol, Sandra and the match splitting lady (Muriel?) in particular.
@@jennybarraclough8112 i found this description in an old tv schedule: " Man Alive: Women In Prison-final programme of two-part enquiry which brings together those who designed the new Holloway Prison and the women prisoners who appeared in last week's film"
Is there a 2nd part to this documentary and do you know if it survives? Thanks
They all look like such normal everyday people.
They are normal every day people, the people who should be in prison very rarely are.
Totally wonderful to watch
That Food Shot...That match trick...cool...
Are you sure this is 1972? The Times archive tv page is showing this as being shown on BBC2 at 20:10 on Wednesday 3rd March 1971.
Also they are talking about the cost of items in pre-decimal prices and in the background on the radio Home Loving Man by Andy Williams is playing which was a hit in late 1970.
Does it really matter??
@@Highland_Moo Yes, if you value accuracy. If you want to walk around with your head up your arse then fine go ahead, some of us are better than that.
Yes, IMdB lists this as 3 March 1971. The following week, Women in Prison: 2 The Way Ahead? was broadcast.
@@Highland_Moo😂😂😂😂
Ah, I wondered about the pre decimal thing too. Date had to be wrong.
Bloody she got 5 years for stealing. That judge threw the book at her. Breaking into someone’s house won’t get you more than 18 months in 2024.
these women doing prison time in the 70s is not a fraction what a lot of police officers have done who are still police officers in 2024. only in the uk cant make it up.
Dont know about 1972 there talking in old money that was pre feb 1971
A lot of films and documentaries are filmed the year before release or broadcast.
Great times!! Not in prison , just a better community spirit and era. Sadly gone..
Such lovely music they used back then ,the music as the women are pushing the prams around the pleasant gardens ,.I'd like to know what it was or just composed for the television?
That's my theme song right there!
Only 40k men were in prison at the time? That's ridiculously low
Crime rates were lower. They didn't have the "war on drugs" either. Or mass influx of immigrants
That’s because everyone had well paid jobs in those days which were jobs for life. To pay off a mortgage and feed a family.
@@HdHd-hp6qz facts.
Well the population was 56 million, so the percentage was 0.07. Now, at 67 million, it's 0.1 (if we say 80,000 and don't include women). So there is an increase of 0.03%.
Llove this theme tune wow the 70s
I felt sorry for some of the women in the video for finding themselves in prison I used to drive past Holloway prison every morning on my way to work sad that people end up in prison especially some of those in the video excellent documentary thankyou
So good. So true
Life was different in the early seventies, not worse, but different....
🇨🇦😘🎥I remember watching this doc. With my mom. 😊
They seem so much more better spoken and display a deference sadly lacking in todays folk. Why? Better discipline in schools? Recognising authority? We have regressed as a civil society.
These woman arent hooked on drugs & visually look a mess,they seem somewhat more educated & rationale,its such a great watch from a time now gone
People are so brash and self centred now. There's no humility or genuine self reflection to be found. Humanity has de evolved. Soon we'll be nothing but primordial ooze. I blame it on drugs and social media not necessarily in that order.
The old Holloway prison building 🏢🏫
I think that building got demolished
In the 70's because the new building was built in the 1980's I think
They lose their hearing from all of the noise!
So touching most of them girls and old women had such sweet innocent looking faces and if you them on your first day in there you wouldn't have felt scared as they seemed so gentle,not like today's with all the aggression and anger you see in modern documentaries about female prison imates you wouldn't care look them in the eye.
Very interesting
Thank you for your interest. I should know about the women after they left prison but I was always abroad and did not find out. The prison itself was closed and now they are in more humane building.
I felt really sorry for that girl sandra near the start with the 3 month baby. Hope life treated her well.
The lady splitting the matches (might have been called Muriel) was a hoot.
@@Jennybarraclough So u were the director of this doc? I always wonder what directors thought like! How come there's only one director on a movie, but a ton of producers n associate producers? Lol BTW nice documentary!
I just happened to see this documentary.How different it was then The women sentenced to prison are not REAL.crininals.Such gentle people who need help in their life not being sent to prison.So different then even the staff are so much kinder respectful and treat the prisoners with compassion and respect.Best wishes Jeremy Allfrey.
So what’s a “Real” criminal??! A person who commits criminal acts is just that- a criminal. I would say these are minimum security criminals. They obviously did something that is criminal in order to be sent to prison! But, I don’t understand that they have women who work, but others don’t. I don’t agree that these women who don’t should be locked in their room 18 hours a day. This is in 1972, of course. Hopefully, things have changed since then!
I would be afraid to walk up all of those steel steps in those heels! 😂🤣
At 50:18 she was lucky not to get life, which is often given for arson. You can't help wondering if her background hsd something to do with it.
Jean looks like the actress Emma Thompson 😊
I thought the same !
Carole, was Myra Hindley best friend in prison
Why are they only allowed 2 letters a week?!