I agree with this theory, and the Phone Guy's statement "someone used a suit, a yellow one" and "now none of them are acting right" should already confirm it.
Problem, this doesn't happen till the last night and toys are clearly haunted before that. We also have nothing suggesting the DCI were stuffed so why would Afton wearing a Springlock suits make the Toys act haunted?
the Night 6 phone call of FNaF 2 has to be my favorite from the game. You can just hear how distraught and troubled Ralph is in his voice, how anxious he is you get this sick feeling cause you know he probably just saw the DCI on camera and it really put's you into his shoes of how he must feel
Animatronics in the games: Remember Afton killing them and want revenge on him Animatronics in the movie and books: DON'T remember Afton killing them and see him as their friend and also doing his bitting
The kids in the games almost explicitly don't remember. We know that spirits dont remember until their bodies are found, and the children in the animatronics, somehow, weren't found. Charlotte explicitly says that all of the others are like animals. She's aware because her body was found easily in the alleyway.
Its actually a lot more similar of a plot than you think: In both cases, the children are being manipulated and they dont fully remember who killed them. In the games, they cant make Heads or Tails on what William Afton looks like, so they assume anyone sporting a nightguard uniform as the same dude. As with the gameplay, its groundhog day for them. In the movie, as you said Afton manipulates them to "do his bidding", possibly under the assumption that he told them that anyone else besides him is manipulating them. In the film, when Mike asks the child taking on Golden Freddy to know what happened to his brother, the child retorts effectively asking "what's in it for us?". Afton has amnipulated them into believing he is the safe one and any other adult is somehow the enemy. Its a sort of in between with the games and film being a similar plot and an inversion of eachother at the same time.
literally Phone Guy saying that their facial recognition system is broken doesn't mean he's right he's just trying to explain it somehow because as we know from TWB but not only Phone Guy doesn't believe in ghosts
I mean...we literally have seen Mangle and BB's Ghosts in FNAF 3 as Phantoms and Toy Chica's ghost in the FNAF 3 minigames. That should be proof enough. Toy Bonnie also has a empty eyed easter egg screen, and Toy Chica and Toy Freddy have black ghost eyes in game.
@@Sethxiety Mangle, BB, and Toy Chica's Ghosts are all in the FNAF 3 mini games, and we know they aren't the MCI kids as those 5 spirits are accounted for and present in the mini games. We PLAY as Balloon Boy, Mangle, Toy Chica, Golden Freddy, RXQ, and The Puppet, giving cake to Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, Foxy, and different Golden Freddy,
All the details about the SAVE THEM minigame, so peoole know exactly everything about it: - Withered Freddy's the playable character. - you're supposed to follow the Puppet to Save Them. - You find out that you're trying to save kids, but they're already dead. - White shapes are littered throughout the restaurant. What these are is unexplained. - There's several pools of blood in the minigame in various rooms. - Golden Freddy can show up sometimes. - Purple guy can show up sometimes aswell, and he will charge you, ending the minigame. - Mangle's moving on their own. The toys aren't. - Purple guy's sprite is details to have a golden-like object on his chest, assumed to be a badge. - There's an absolute lack of people in the minigame. - Withered Freddy's moving. He's only shown to do this at night. Now, here's my theory of what this minigame is telling fully: It establishes a "who", "when", and "where". "Who" was the Purple guy, as he's present. "When" was when he was working his Night shifts, noted by his badge in his sprite and the lack of people. "Where" was in the FNAF 2 pizzeria. Just like that, the story unmuddies itself: The DCI happened a week before your shifts. Purple guy complains that the animatronics are aggresive and is transferred to dayshift. Your shift starts, but the toys are now possessed. The Police start on their investigation by night 3. Purple guy is found out and fired soon after, so a dayshift slot opens. By Night 6 everyone figures it out, the next week the Bite of 87 happens. A pretty solid series of events if you ask me.
As a toys dci person, i’m hoping that scott can put the DCI in the second movie And i do believe the theory that their identities are the neighborhood/street kids that BV interacts with
@@Sethxiety the fourth script can match with this. it’s the one where there is a father and his two kids go to an abandoned pizzeria (where the toys could be)
A second set of murders is never implied to have occurred and, ngl, it would be comically terrible storytelling if it did. None of these victims are ever even alluded to in any other game, not even the one where Henry gathers everything and everyone in one location to end everything once and for all, no mention of any more than five dead kids. We get gravestones with names, but not for these extra five kids, what would be implied if they existed is that they were there for one game and then just never came back. Even beyond that, 11 dead kids is way too much, there is no reason to take the focus away from the main victims to create a whole new set of victims that do nothing but needlessly double the body count just to explain why some of the characters are more aggressive
@@crypt5129 Rescue The Children literally referenced them in ITPG? Have you not heard the fnaf 2 phone calls? And the DCI are much so background characters while the MCI + Charlie are main characters. The reason we don’t get to see them again is because their remnant got destroyed when scrapping the toys while the MCI possessing the classics had to wait a bit longer.
@SharolaidArchived Idk shit about ITPG so I'll grant you that maybe one game that came out a lot later and may not even be canon referenced the possibility of an extra five victims, sure. Maybe you're right here and I'm framing it poorly, but this doesn't seem substantial to me The fnaf 2 phone calls don't imply a second incident, he's talking about the first incident. The rumors are based on events like the death of the puppet (and probably retconned to include the bite of 83). There's no indication that this has happened before, just somehow the same exact number of kids died and no one explicitly mentioned it ever Again, bad storytelling. Five random kids show up to explain something that could be explained in a much easier and more narratively-satisfying and coherent manner, a manner that aligns with everything else we see in the series, and then they're immediately gone, never to be mentioned again? There's no reason for that nor is there any substantial evidence for it beyond nitpicking of noncanon and/or dubiously canon material
7:47 THIS part is why I'm against MoltenMCI. Most think William did HALF of Follow me, used them for the funtimes, then went back AGAIN (For some reason) and died on the 5th night minigame. I think it's more like how the fourth closet tells it. 1. William powers the funtimes (games imply Funtimes are kidnapping Machines. The 4th closet even has Baby do this) 2. William keeps the spirits in line. (4th closet has William appear as Spring Bonnie, result of post-springtrap, I assume.....And the games probably use Controlled shocks to Domesticate the spirits) 2.5. Domestication can force ANYONE to comply after enough time. (Give me remnant or get SHOCKED. And having them in the funtimes bypasses him shocking the Very broken classic endos, which is NEVER hinted at, while "kidnapped kids = Game Funtime spirits" IS, like TFC and count the ways. BURNING the classic endo for soul transfer is, but SHOCKING them for it isn't. "SHOCKING = COMPLIANCE" IS too.) 3. The spirits are split across multiple funtimes. 4. A human trial is performed, and the spirits start coming back together (Carlton + the MCI spirits in TFC, and Mike + Ennard in the games) 5. William TRIES to get more remnant from OTHER kids. (In TFC, he tries to use one of the kids kidnapped by Baby/the funtimes, while the games are obviously gonna be the MCI in Follow me) 6. The MCI kids attack and "kill" William. 7:53 + 9:38 Also TFC makes it clear not much is required for a spirit to possess another object, in terms of the parts they possess. If it took LOTS of parts, then the amalgamation WOULDN'T be able to power at least 5, maybe more, animatronics in TFC and STILL look whole. (Freddy, Foxy, and about 3 of the mini clown robots. And 6-7 TYPES of animatronics in the games (Main 3 (excluding Baby), MULTIPLE Minirenas, MULTIPLE Biddybabs, maybe even Lolbit and Yenndo, etc)
@@Wizardjones69 well, theories flip flop between "I went back for the SpringBonnie Suit" and "I went back for Golden Freddy". And there's limited evidence for both. (Only evidence is 5th spirit kid + Spring Bonnie is in the safe room)
@@KirbyFan-h9y the fact that it's raining over the 5 minigames puts it into question. But the result is, at the least, the animatronic casings and Afton are left behind in the abandoned Fnaf 1 location. With Afton trapped in the same room he killed the MCI kids in.
We know from the games, that the Funtimes were likely never used as after Elizabeth got killed they stored in the underground location. And while Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rentals exists, we don't have any confirmation that it actually was used to kill kids. Compare that to MoltenMCI where we do have evidence. William tears down the animatronics to grab the endoskeletons. (He returns on the 5 night to grab Springbonnie as he thinks that suit has power over the spirits, which is why he hides in it during Follow Me). Help Wanted shows the 4 original Endoskeleton in a burner in the FNAF SL location. Molten Freddy kicks out Baby because they don't want to follow her because she is loyal to Afton. Behavior that would fit the MCI Victims. And keep in mind a random kids killed by the Funtimes wouldn't know about Afton as the whole storing them alive thing didn't work with Elizabeth. And lastly, FNAF 6 is literally all about bringing everyone together (except Golden Freddy) to burn the remnant out of them. And the MCI wouldn't be there without Molten Freddy.
I just found your channel. I hope that in The FNAF 2 Movie that different elements of The Toy's behavior compared to the classics are seen, such as acting different due to pure advanced ai. Maybe William or someone working for William would hack The Toys to be violent.
In the twisted ones, William is able to control those animatronics when he dies in spring Bonnie because they have the same showtime programs Will probably be the explanation for the toys behavior The script was adjusted to address criticism of the first movie, so it’s likely the toys will be much more aggressive than the classics Classics weren’t scary originally because Scott wanted to show the human side of them
@@KirbyFan-h9y I've heard someone say it is likely we will see the Toy Animatronics speak in The FNAF 2 Movie, whether we first see in a scene of engineers testing the new animatronics, performing on stage, or doing stuff in the night. I am very curious and excited to see how mangle will be portrayed in the second film. Agree?
To the toys not being haunted in one of FNAF AR's emails it reveals that the Fazbear Funtime Service, cannot replicate Mangle climbing on the celling which implies the original could only do that because they were possessed. Thank you for watching and I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
It’s either that or another set of children go missing which I don’t think will happen. William is already springlocked and locked in the storage room so there can’t be any murders happening at that point. I feel it’s definitely the animatronics programing being corrupted rather than children’s spirits in control. It just moves more cleaner that just introducing another pair of children alongside the original children
@@TripleThreat145No it doesn’t. It basically means the second set of kids are irrelevant and we will have no lore relevance besides them being additional murder sprees. The DCI is mostly likely option for it to happen in the movie.
@luluu0101 doesn't mean mci possessing toys lol. In fact, soaked in remnant and agony parts of withered can be reason why dci souls can possessed toys even if they bodies wasnt in such close contact with metal as other victims (if their possession is even canon because aren't we still don't know basically jackshit about them?) 🤷 also this shit can mean literally anything that scott changed long time ago and we would never know because he rather chew his own leg than give clear answers so thinking that mci possessing toys theory is true in any capacity in current fnaf era is kinda silly. As cool au concept/headcanon tho why not
I love how these videos open up new perspectives for me by giving me points of lore I don't really think about often thank you for this educational video
Ya, I'm gonna have to disagree. For one, we see that Afton doesn't use the Springlock suit during the DCI. He is walking around plain as day, when animatronics can still get him, in his guard uniform that the animatronics don't like. The whole idea of Afton in the Yellow Suit setting them off comes from our last day on the job. If this line is referring to the DCI, no one would know this as Afton would like to erase the tapes of it, and the cops don't find it until the last day of the investigation. Phone Guy also says, "We had a spare suit in the back," meaning the Springlock suit was there until right before the final night. This means Afton would have grabbed the suit sometime before the nightguard shift on the penultimate night and set off the animatronics. However, the toys are clearly possessed way before this point. As for the book evidence. We are basically told in Fazbear Frights, "metal haunted, put metal in new thing, that thing haunted." No willingness is required, as Jake clearly wasn't willing to possess the Stichwraith. He didn't even know he was going in it. As for the whole soul splitting thing, do I like it? No, but it's a thing. We know from Help Wanted that Afton took the original 4 Endos for the Funtimes, and yet the souls are still in the FNAF 1 building, potentially because the shells are still there. Or they possessed the building as implied by the Week Before.
This is fair. But I think the point of the yellow suit can easily be suggested after it he gained the kids trust and killed them, he took it off. The DCI had to have happened at night given the bodies are lying around and that can't happen during the day so the murders happen the week before Jeremy takes the position. Explaining their possession by that point. I don't think he would have taken the suit from the location as they would have caught onto him because he would have been the only guy to have worked the night shift at the time, they would have known he took it. Just as he might have left Spring Bonnie in the safe room after the MCI occurred (not sure about that one though). I think the phone calls detail the progression of the investigation with night 6 being where they might have found something to suggest something did happen at the location or perhaps as you said, someone wore the suit for some reason despite the suits no longer meant to be used and it further triggered the animatronics. I prefer thinking it was the former option.
@@Sethxiety The problem with the DCI is we literally know nothing. Did Afton use a Springlock? It's unclear as Phone Guy's wording of "had" makes it seem like the suit is no longer there and therefore moved recently before the call. Unless Afton used it twice. How did the kids get there? Did Afton stuff them, or did he leave them like Charlie. (Probably the ladder considered he literally couldn't stuff something into the already broken Mangle unless Save Them is the day after, but then how was the body not discovered?) Puppet is the reason the OGs became possessed. Did she do it again, and if she did why do we never learn about these kids? I think my best possible explanation goes as follows. Afton lures 5 or 6 kids (Unclear) to FNAF 2 potentially while wearing Springbonnie (as the Golden Freddy in this location likely still has a body, I say this location as we know multiple Springlock suits exists.) He leaves the body around the location like Charlie to see what happens. However, while doing this he notices that Mangle already seems haunted. (Mangle moves during Save Them and considering she is the most broken, she likely took the most parts from Foxy making them the possessed). Puppet refused to make the DCI possess the Toys so Afton puts Springbonnie away (if he used it). Cleans up the bodies and finishes his shift. He works the dayshift until he realizes the location is going to close down. He steals Springbonnie and brings it to Sister Location so he can have it. This not only explains why Phone Guys says we "had" a suit in the back but also explains the FNAF 3 phone call explaining that Springbonnie has been moved. (I'm a personal believer in 1987 Springlock Retirement not 1985 as there is a lot evidence between FNAF 2 and 3 that support it). The week before explains that FNAF 2 and 1 are the same location so he brings Springbonnie back and preform Follow Me.
I'll admit, I am not entirely convinced the "DCI" is a thing really. Since it's from the perspective of the haunted animatronics and with how, at the time, Scott wasn't using the minigames as a literal representation of the environment. It's something that only exists purely in the minigame having those bodies and nowhere else is it ever mentioned. Considering the MCI is the core thread of everything in the series, it seems very strange that a second major murder event is never addressed even one time outside of the minigame.
The phone calls in 2 heavily suggest another set of kids did die there. There wouldn't be an investigation there if something wasn't up. The difference with this one is that it happened at night when the place was closed before Jeremy started working there. So they didn't even know something happened there until the end of the game.
So… let me get this straight: The Toys can’t be possessed by half of the MCI because it’s not the same remnant energy from the same Endos from the Withereds? I feel like that’s how Scott is analyzing the rules of possession. It’s mainly that the Withereds’ shells were used to upgrade the Toy animatronics. But instead, William commits another murder group to see if the Puppet would give life to them, but it didn’t work. I feel like the DCI’s role is William attempting to do another MCI and see if the Puppet would stuff their corpses into the Toys. Under PuppetStuff & WillStuff, William stuffed Cassidy to hide their body which led Cassidy to get Springlocked, later the Puppet learns from that and helps the core 4 by stuffing their bodies in the animatronics. Later on, William is concerned as to why the bodies weren’t found and goes into disguise to see if another attempt works. So in 1987, William does it again but the Puppet doesn’t stuff them because Charlie learned from her mistakes. Now this pushes William to believe that his victims are haunting Freddy’s. And my idea is that the DCI possesses the Toys but are connected with the Withereds, and they start following the MCI to try to kill any adult based on what they remembered before death. But… I want to throw out the theory called “MoltenAugment” and it’s a theory where both DCI and MCI possess the Funtimes and William built the Funtimes Post-FNAF2. So under this theory, William melts down the Toys to see how the Funtimes would do their bidding, but he needs his Spring Bonnie suit to have full control- and we know what happened. Overall, I would list out theory details about the DCI, but I wish they were brought back again to flesh them out. Maybe a Week Before FNAF 2 Interactive Novel would be a nice idea. After all, good video
It's not got to do with remnant energy, it's got to do with the MCI not wanting their souls to be broken and haunt the toys. Which is why I believe William melts down the MCI to warp their memories and their souls to allow for this process to work. I don't think adding parts alone would do the trick. The Withereds weren't used to upgrade the toys, more rather they were used as spare parts from the Withereds incase something went wrong with the toys. If anything, they attempted the upgrade the Withereds before abandoning the project because they were "too ugly". As for PuppetStuff, many sources of media out right say William stuffed the kids with FNAF 1's newspapers saying blood and mucus came out of the animatronics before The Puppet was even a character. Which is why I don't think The Puppet stuffed anyone. Well, I believe Elizabeth died before the MCI so the Funtimes would have already existed. But man I wish the DCI had more relevance. Thank you for watching and commenting!
@@Sethxiety >with FNAF 1's newspapers saying blood and mucus came out of the animatronics before The Puppet was even a character. I will note, this... kind of works? But at the same time, it was never stated *who* exactly stuffed them, until 2 where Give Gifts Give Life was brought up. Not so much a conflict or Retcon, but Retroactive lore potentially?
@ multiple pieces of media outright say William stuffed the kids. Even the movie continuity where the puppet does exist and ITPG where a kid is stuffed in an endoskeleton by a creature imitating William’s actions as its connected to the memory of the MCI.
Great video I believe the toys are possessed by the DCI kids however, there is one exception that I do believe this theory applies to Mangle Mangle in Fnaf 2 is really strange in save them mini game one of the few animatronics that are moving. The only ones moving are W. Freddy, puppet and golden Freddy and the DCI just seemed to happen hence “save them” freddy could’ve saved them since the DCI at night (the week before basically confirms this the phone guy saying kids were dared/challenge to go to Freddy’s to prove their bravery) So the toys haven’t been possessed yet but mangle is moving and they are aware as their Sprite is called “ he was here” but why? Well as dislike The theory originally I have come to believe it and agree with it. Mangle is possessed by Susie’s dead dog. Not only does mangle act like a dog, but there Ar voice lines have dog like behavior as well. Infact in the voice lines there seems to be two different personalities When this the first came my biggest question was how? The dog died before mangle became an animatronic and back in 2017 there wasn’t any MCI 1985 yet (I do think Funtime foxy and bb are a part of 1985 but That’s besides the point) But things have become much more clearer than I do. Think I know how they’re possessed by the dog. Not only do I think mangle is possessed by the dog? I believe the cupcake is too. I thought originally the cupcakes aggressiveness/sentience was a movie exclusive thing however As the week before and into the pit the game confirmed the cupcake is also sentient in the game continuity In the into the pit sketchbook the cupcake is stated to growl and bite people like a dog and Chica seems to care a lot about it Now how can the does the dog possessed both the cupcake and mangle This is where the reuse parts/spare parts theory comes in mangle is a take apart put back together attraction. The company treats them as such and goes along with it. The kids had to get their parts from somewhere and that somewhere is the withered I FE was using parts from the withered animatronics for mangle I believe mangle 2nd head is the cupcake. Never see Withered cupcake in the game I believe the cupcakes parts were used for the animatronic. Some people believe the head was a parrot, but as we see from worlds fixed design of them, they don’t have any parrot/companion. But the endo head is a endo 02 Well that would be a problem if it weren’t for another theory that’s basically confirmed at this point retrofit theory The classic animatronics were upgraded for the new location but scrapped, which is why they look like the withered Phone guy says all of the animatronics were retrofitted. the cupcake is also an animatronic. so they would have a new Endo. So basically mangle is possessed by the dog because of the cupcake Now how the dog possessed the animatronic is strange But I think there are 2 options 1. There soul attaches to Susie and joins her when she dies. 2. The cupcake is possessed by the memory of the dog/wanted for them maybe Final question would be what happens to the 5th DCI kid and I think this is pretty simple (that into the pit mini game basically confirmed that there’s 6) The 5th kid most likely possesses JJ The DCI are (forgive my language) a parallel to the MCI kids The 4 possess an animatronic that attacks during the main game while the 5th one possesses as a secret that a recolor of another character Also see a blood splatter under the table in save them So the five DCI kids possess toy Freddy toy chica, toy bonnie, BB and JJ Imo Anyways keep making great videos. I love your content.
@@KirbyFan-h9ythats not good evidence. plus, what is that dci kid is supposed to possess? it’s definitely mangle because they’re already in close proximity. if you’re saying the dog possess mangle because “it’s able to climb” but some of the toys climb into the vents too?
Thank you for the donation. Again you don't have to lol but thank you. I don't think the cupcake or Mangle are possessed by Susie's dog. I think Mangle is just possessed by the DCI kid in the room with them in the minigame. The Cupcake is just an extension of Susie's spirit and I think if anything, it takes on the memory of her dog but it essentially has a part of Susie's soul in it. In the movie William says "wake up children" and Bonnie and Freddy wake up with the Cupcake being apart of Chica presumably shows it is just an extension of Susie's soul. But that's just me. Again thank you for the donation and thank you for watching.
Wait wait wait. We see a moving mangle in the fnaf 2 minigames? Have I seriously never noticed that for 10 years or did I just forget about it all this time?
There are many unanswered questions, for example, according to the story, FNAF 2 is before FNAF 1, but the withered animatronics are corrupted versions of the originals, if the withereds existed first, how could they be corrupted? Or why aren't there broken versions of the toy animatronics in the first game?
The withereds are from a freddy’s location from 1985 where the missing childrens incident took place, becoming haunted. These characters from that location had the same look as the classics from fnaf 1. They look different because the company retrofitted them with newer technology and looks until they abandoned the project leaving them for spare parts to use as they were “too ugly”. The toys were scrapped and never used at fnaf 1 as said in fnaf 2 night 6 newspaper.
I’m referring to when people try to explain the Toy’s behavior as something besides the DCI. Not trying to disagree with you in any way, just the fact that people are over explaining when the easier and likely solution is right there
@@TripleThreat145 >the easier and likely solution This i would disagree with. Pretty much at first glance, the evidence swings HEAVILY in Spare Parts' favor, with both the Teaser "Something *Borrowed,* Something New", and Phone Guy saying as much that they're using the Withereds for spare parts. With the Animatronics growing more aggressive as the week goes on, until Night 6 where GFreddy activates at the same time the Investigation/mention of a Murder is brought up. At least 2-3 fairly strong pieces of evidence out the game that's fairly clearly spelled out. The DCI meanwhile, there IS the clear parallel to the MCI, but unlike MCI we dont get any clear indication/info that tells us "they were stuffed" like the clippings did.
The MCI already haunt the Withereds as the MCI happened in 1985. The DCI happened the week before Jeremy worked there, when the previous guard was the night guard who is heavily implied to be William. Kids bodies can't be lying around the location when its open so it would have to happen at night.
The Week Before shows the bite happened during the opening hours of Fredbear’s and other people outside of Mike and his friends were there to witness it. So it wouldn't be referred to as “rumours”
the Toys could feasibly not be haunted, it would require the most blatant retcon ever turning the Withereds smelling and bleeding into a complete red herring and the animatronics were just falling apart
The withereds were haunted before fnaf 2. With the MCI occurring in 1985, the toys would be haunted by the set of victims from the fnaf 2 establishment
I've known all my life that the Toys are possessed by other souls - this can be deduced from the mini-games and from the words of Phone Guy. I thought everyone knew that. Of course I don't want to offend anyone, I just considered it fact for the last 10 years, not speculation or theory. I haven't watched the movie yet, but I assume that you think that Toys are possessed by the souls from the murder that took place a few days before FNAF 2
It's so odd. How the conversation has changed so much in FNAF. What was once a mysterious story of ghosts and possession and... well... authentic mystery is now a discussion on the mechanics of a fictional element with artificial mystery. The difference to me being that an authentic mystery can be solved without the author's input. A lot of FNAF lore and content requires answers from the dev to be truly solved otherwise its conjecture. Not saying either are inherently good or bad or that one never existed in the story. But at this point, if the owners dropped it and never did anything with it again, despite multiple stories supposed to be the end, despite hours, years in total or longer if you added up all the videos and writings and more about this, books, a movie. All of it and if it stopped now, it would be debated and likely never solved.
The big thing that annoys me about the Toys being possessed by MCI/DCI/whatever is that the Toys are eventually scrapped by Fazbear Ent., not William or anyone else, since he was presumably already fired when they get scrapped. The books don't necessarily mean anything either, but yes, remnant wasn't even a concept during FNaF2. _(This does bring up a "Ship of Theseus" of sorts on how many parts you'd need to replace before the animatronic isn't haunted anymore lmao)_
Great video. I honestly only have one problem, and that’s the DCI. I simply do not belive it explains the toy animatronics. I don't belive DCI, because of night 1. Ralph first mention rumors on night 3, which seem odd, especially because children dying would likely immediately have shut down the restaurant. So it's more likely something happened day 3, starting the rumors. Thereby it leaves the question: why is the toys attacking us on night 1? The DCI simply doesn't make sense, because it doesn't explain Toy Bonnie and Toy Chicka. Since dead children would have shut down the restaurant for a few days. Now I do agree the ToyMCI theory isn't the most solid either, but if FunTimeMCI is what happened, then the ToyMCI likely is also the case. The thing about the ToyMCI is it explain night 1, even if melting metal likely would have destroyed the remnant. Then this can explain why the restaurant was running until the DCI at night 3, even though the toy animatronics are clearly haunted. But lets assume neither of these two theories are the case. Then what can cause it? I do admit something supernatural is controlling them, because Ralph imply Mangle has a habit of crawling on the roof. I have a possible 3rd option. We know Cassidy is extremely powerful, heck, she even create a hell. So it could be assumed, the same goes for Charlie. Now hear me out, because considering what Cassidy and Andrew and the Stichray can do. It could be considered that a fully conscious spirit, like Charlie might be able to control the toys, from afar. I know it's a far stretch, but considering Charlie (who doesn't hate us, as long we don't stay in her way), is trying to kill us. It would make sense for her to have a motive. And considering we are keeping her locked in a box, preventing her from saving the MCI victims. I think the motive is pretty clear. And again considering what the others can do, it does make sense, if Charlie somehow control the toys and are using them to get rid of a persistent problem(us). This is of course just my thoughts. Thanks for reading. I wish you a great day.
The DCI simply took place the Week before the game takes place, it started spreading a week later and then the rumors got to the police who investigated the pizzeria and closed it down for a few days.
Cassidy can only control animatronics in a personal hell, not the real world. If Charlie didn't hate us then why would she be getting the toys to kill us? Also, William killed the DCI victims during his nightshift, which was before ours. This means that those phone calls were either prerecorded or made before Phone Guy was aware of the DCI.
I love the analysis and you explain everything very well I will add that one of the main reasons that MCIToys exists and is popular doesnt actually have anything to do with the manner of the Toys becoming haunted, but rather, where did the DCI kids go? This is just an unfortunate plot hole as the MCI kids have grown in importance over the years, as the story slightly shifted to all the hauntings being the same tortured and confused 5 spirits instead of the original "William Afton left a LOT of dead kids behind, there's a lot of ghosts."
@@Sethxietyyeah cuz within the first 4 games we had FNaF1: 4, actually a secret 5th one FNaF2: 11, maybe 12 depending on what you count or not, plus 2 Shadow animatronics FNaF3: the murderer plus a whole bunch of Shadows in the Happiest Day mini games FNaF4: probably the first dead kid... Unless Psychic Friend Fredbear is haunted maybe 2 Then Sister Location introduces the idea that the same 4/5 kids from the first game are the Important Ones. Oh and Elizabeth.
@@Sethxiety Pretty much :V Honestly wouldnt Blame Scott, considering it's by far the messiest of the games lore-wise (possibly even including SB) FNAF 4 is a bit of a mess as well in places, but nowhere near as bad. You can at least parse everything you see coherently unlike 2...
just a note against this is an interpretation of the toy chica in fnaf 4. Toy chica presumbably only starts taking off her beak after she gets possessed, and in the fnaf 4 minigames the toy chica doll is missing its beak symolising possesion and the doll is owned by a blond girl with her arms sticking outwards, just like withered chica. I think that the toy chica doll is a clue that the toys are controled by the withereds.
The beak isn't really a sign of possession as the indicator for us at the time was the black eyes with white pupils which Toy Chica has in 2 and not the figure in 4. The beak could just come off. With 4, Scott turned it into a lore clue. There are theories as to why this is replicated with the animatronic such as CC's memoires influencing things throughout the series or the girl in 4 haunts Toy Chica.
I haven’t seen the video yet (probably will tomorrow) But the ”DCI” incident is, through the phone calls, implied to have happened during the week that Jeremy works there Thing is, the animatronics are after him starting day 1, which means that they’re possessed before the incident occurs, and I believe the only logical option is for the fragments of the MCI spirits having ended up in the Toys in order for this to work Again, as I haven’t watched the video yet, I don’t know if you counter any of this or not
The only real time the DCI can happen is at night and before Jeremy's week as 1) the bodies are lying around the building 2) if it was a during the day people would know it was William who did it 3) William is wearing a security badge from the looks of things which implies he is working as the security guard. Hope you enjoy the video when you watch it :)
My theory is that BOTH the DCI and MCI possesses the toys. Ralph first says that the DCI are rumors and the reason the toys attack is because they weren’t given a proper night mode. But that is most likely a coverup because Ralph says extremely similar things in Fnaf1 despite him lying and knowing why. I am also a firm believer in Molten DCI and Molten MCI because I think William collected remnant from the toys, which has both MCI and DCI according to me. And collects more remnant from the 4 animatronics that has the MCI in them. The Toys are the complete opposite from the Funtimes. The toys try to help protect children and the Funtimes lure and capture children. I also believe that the Funtimes are ALSO possessed by their personal victims. Meaning I personally think Molten Freddy is a big ol Blob with lots and lots of remnant because it contains the souls of the MCI, DCI, and the Funtime victims. You can also visually see Remnant leaking out of Molten Freddy, it kinda looks like blood, but it’s most likely remnant mercury that is molten because of how angry the souls are in Molten Freddy, so they literally become Molten and melt remnant because of their anger. Molten Freddy could also be molten because of Fnaf3. Assuming that Molten Freddy is the manifestation of the Fnaf3 bad ending, Fnaf3 also ends with a fire, which could be why he’s Molten
To me, the toys are haunted by the time we start our work week as they start moving night 1. Toy Chica has the same eyes the animatronics have when they are possessed. The only real time William could commit the DCI is when he was working the nightshift as he can't lure the kids to the back room in FNAF 2 as there isn't a safe room as they were locked up and abandoned after the MCI. He is also wearing a badge in the Save Them minigame implying this is happening when he is on his shift, the nightshift. As for MoltenDCI, while it would be cool, FNAF 6 implies it's just the MCI as we are not given names for the DCI and the 5 things become one line from Candy Cadet imo. Thanks for commenting and watching :D
Good video! Even though some quotes were really long, I’m glag that you used specific ones to back up these points. I do have a few points of disagreement. 10:33 I feel this quote answers your question of why he doesnt just put parts into the Funtimes. The Funtimes have completely different parts compared to the regular Endos, but by turning the parts into remnant, Afton could theoretically inject it into both the Funtimes and pretty much anything else he wants, including humans. This gives him the control he desires without having to compromise his animatronic designs. Imo, you could argue there may be an element of ego at play, where Afton would want to enhance his own creations and tear down Henry’s. 12:28 I’m not sure this is the case in the games? In FM, they leave Spring Bonnie to die in the back room, it plays out similarly to how the blonde kid leaves William to die in the closet in the film. 16:04 I think its worth noting that only the head of Simon is added to the endo. This could potentially explain why his memories are all janky? Maybe a piece of him was left behind in the rest of the doll? Not to mention, Simon is haunted before Jake dies, I’d say he’s more comparable to the haunted chair or mirror Taggart has. The main memory that’s latched on Simon is one of Jake being a normal boy, hence why he’s confused when he recalls thinking about being reborn. In theory, if parts of the withereds/classics were put into the toys, this could explain why they’re weird around all adults and they don’t remember exactly who did the DCI. Otherwise, the Toys are acting forgetful for kind of no reason? In TWB, we learn the Classics have a grudge against Ralph because he’s been there so long and always gets to leave. We also see the MCI leave Afton to die as I mentioned earlier, seems like they remember the Yellow Rabbit killing them. I’m not sure why the DCI haunting the toys would suddenly forget who their killer is or what he even looks like, especially Mangle who, as you mentioned, is named “he was here” and were assuming is already haunted when William is still there. 🤷♂️ Maybe “he was here” refers to Golden Freddy instead, since he can teleport into that room.
I think the reasons for melting the souls can have multiple reasons. Yes melting them does make it easier to add them as is backed up TFC, however, I do think taking them apart and melting them affects their memories which is why they see William as the yellow rabbit and not William himself. In FM, they see him enter the suit so they would know Spring Bonnie isn't there friend in that instance. Yes, the head is added, it's why I also provided some screenshots of quotes from Epilogue 3 towards the end as I made that mistake. I think what you're talking about is imo Jake's connection with Simon causing it. Similar to how CC's fear might have helped bring the Fredbear plush to "life" if that's what happened with it. Few things here, the kids in the games do not remember the yellow rabbit killing them and they don't even know they died. They have to trust the yellow rabbit for MoltenMCI to even work and them not being as aware is implied by Charlie in UCN. "The others are like animals but I am very aware". Sprints are just forgetful after they died, its a constant throughout the franchise. They might not know what he looks like if he used a suit to kill them like Golden Freddy if Spring Bonnie wasn't at the location or he just used Spring Bonnie. Or they saw who killed them so they remember or they act aggressive towards staff because they know an adult killed them and they know they were killed as they saw their bodies. The MCI don't even seem to know they are dead which again is reflected with Susie in TFC, not remember if William took her to see her dog. Thanks for watching and for the comment.
6:14 Disagree here, Remnant was not *COINED* at the time (that came many years later), but the mechanics/essence of it were most certainly in place/on Scott's mind, even as far back as FNAF 1. The Possession concept seems to rely heavily on the same sort that creates a "Haunted Car" that seems to drive itself with nobody inside (often due to the driver dying in a crash or such, or a Murder), a product of a tragic accident. Also, Autobiography of a Yogi has QUITE a few fingerprints of Remnant scattered throughout, if one were to read through it, i know there was a video that went through it in heavy detail as well... And, of course, FNAF 3 as well. The Endos were split from the Shells, yet the Shells DO contain a spirit. Same with Golden Freddy, a suit whose Endo seems to be partially or even completely removed, yet still Haunted. 7:40 Doesnt Fetch from Frights post a bit of a problem in this case, considering it's battery is taken out and shoved in a brand new Endo? Unfortunately Phineas Taggart likely doesnt have any relation to Andrew OR Jake in this instance, unlike the similar situation in the Novels with MoltenMCI. 9:44 The most likely answer seems to be "He didnt HAVE to, but this is the best way to get as much/as complete of a batch of Remnant as possible". The stuff's in REALLY limited supply, practically worth more than gold, and shoving 4-ish kids worth of Soul Soup into 4(5?) different robots doesnt leave too much room to poke around with any extra material :V The Spare Parts certainly WOULD work presumably, but nowhere near as well as transplanting the ENTIRE thing, at once, considering it'd be a much more complete/"intact" specimen, and there'd be no reason to only settle for half-measures. As for the Heating: I believe this is simply the BEST way to inject (Raw) Remnant into an object, not the ONLY way. While it may not be the best example, i believe the Ella doll in the Novels is a decent example? The one that later became "Charlie" with a few premade Memories inserted to Complete her... And maybe Michael at the end of SL, possibly? It seems likely this is similar to the situation in Portal. It's stated that ground Moonrock is an excellent Conductor for Portals, which led to people believing EVERY portal surface in the game is Moonrock, even in places it makes 0 sense (such as portal surfaces in the 40s and 50s, before the Moon Landing had ever occurred, and before the purchase of said Moonrocks in the 80s). When Cave had only stated that it's an excellent one, compared to others (such as standard Concrete). Back to FNAF, another thought: Heat could simply *bypass* that "willingness", as well. Because remember, it effectively puts them to sleep/knocks them out. It'd be rather difficult to consent if you're not awake, especially if the Metal's been melted away/you're in a much more Reactive state... 14:10 This... really isnt *that* relevant? Like, of course it doesnt have to be *William* doing it, the company KNOWS about it, Phone guy even states they just use the Withereds for spare parts after their renovation plan fell through in favor of the Toys. The Withereds have parts that the Toys can use, and the FazEnt Employees are going to cut corners by doing as such, it seems :V >Lefty I kind of disagree with this. It seems clear the Puppet is NOT possessing Lefty (as, while they're contained, they're not one connected body really), and we've even seen a more extreme version of this scenario with William. He CANNOT override the Suit's programming, no matter how hard he tries. Same for the MCI kids either (they cannot enter the saferoom. And William cannot leave the saferoom, OR resist the children's calls due to Spring Bonnie's programming). I'd hazard a guess Lefty is POSSIBLY just an AI? Considering the Hazard Risk, likely one cobbled together solely to capture/shock the Puppet and little more :V (of note, said Shocks/Controlled Shocks would be another instance of the "Heat Coma" that Remnant experiences, being unable to act/falling asleep when applies to them.)
Thanks for the comment but I do have to address some things. - I don't think the concept of splitting souls (at least like we see with the Funtimes) was a thing on Scott's mind at this time because he was more spontaneous at this time in the franchise. So yeah the ideas of remnant were there early one, the full concept of how it worked I don't think was fleshed out in his mind at the time of fnaf 2. - Golden Freddy does have at least part of his endo in the suit, the suit is just in suit mode as it's a springlock and no one has reason to turn on the performer mode for a character that will not be used. Spirits can haunt things other than metal of course. I'm just saying that metals are the best and perfect conductors for the emotional energies of the sprits. - At the time of FNAF 3, it was going to be the last game so I think the spirits were there in FNAF 3 however, as the series progressed it's possible that they aren't even there due to Sister Location and MoltenMCI. If anything, NOW the agony attached to the suits is what is in the building, of which Afton can control to create the Phantoms. Regardless of the modern lore, it's possible the spirits here at the time were just the spirits and such as the plot of SL wasn't planned then. - I addressed the Fetch thing in the video. Andrew possessed the battery pack of Fetch, not the WHOLE animatronic. In Andrew's case the vessel was just added to the endo. Jake on the other hand is more or a problem which given his first time in the endo, I think he became more conscious with in it. It is a bit of a problem with the theory yes, but there are other reasons as to why the MCI would not haunted the toys as presented in the video. - Yeah that's fair. The heating and injecting of the molten metal would be the most efficient way of adding them however, given some of the details and descriptions from TFC, I think there are more reasons as to why he did what he did. Melting them would warp their memories and perceptions allowing William to trick them into moving in the Funtimes which is also seen as he doesn't need the yellow rabbit any more. They still need to be willing to part way with a part of themselves. Which is why I don't think adding spare parts alone would work. - The Ella doll is a little different. 1) It isn't a soul like the MCI are so ig that makes a difference and 2) it is essentially the vessel which contains a part of Henry and who Charlie is in novels. - It doesn't put them to sleep, they are awake throughout the process as they can feel pain and are scared of the fire. - The point here is that they trust the yellow rabbit so if anyone is going to do it its going to only be William. They are only willing to part ways with a part of themselves, if they want to and trust the person doing so. At the time of fnaf 2 the spring locks are decommissioned (and maybe Spring Bonnie is locked in the MCI location one too) and as such I don't think anyone apart from William and Phone Guy working there would know how to use them. Also, why would a technician use a spring lock suit to work on the Withereds and toys? - No Lefty is not possessed by The Puppet but The Puppet can control Lefty to an extent given they attack Mike and tell us to "shhhh". However, yes you are right the animatronics programing takes precedence of the animatronic if the animatronic enacts on it program but in William's case, he can control the suit. But when he hears a child, the suit goes to it despite what he wants. Anyway, that's it. Thank you for watching and commenting.
@Sethxiety just fnaf in general. Every time I click a video like this (not just yours) I realized I just wasted my time because Scott will never confirm anything. Fnaf is a waste of time. Shows the power of your thumbnails and video titles. It's not your fault and thanks for the comment. I gotta make a change and never watch fnaf videos even for fanmade games because the lore is never fulfilling. Idk if you know any exceptions. There are few
@ I completely understand that and yes, it can be frustrating to not get confirmed answers. As I consume all of the media and ponder about it, it's somewhat simple for me to understand the series (not a dig at you for that btw). I will add that if you try to follow fnaf as a story rather than a puzzle, it is easier to understand imo. But yes, I understand how you feel.
@@file_boi020 I agree. But I see a lot of people say that if the toys are possessed by a separate group of victims from the MCI then there would have to be some way that those souls are freed like how the MCI kids got freed in happiest day / pizza sim / whatever. A surprising amount of people genuinely feel this way. I think they don’t realize how often people die in the story and get no satisfactory ending. Best example is phone guy in FNAF 1. Man dies and it literally never matters to the story ever
If the DCI moved on it was either when they were scrapped or in the fnaf 3 fire as their shells are in the building (and it was meant to be the last game)
One theory that i don't agree is shadow bonnie being created from the bite Since on the epilogues its pretty obvious to eleanor be shadow bonnie And eleanor is born after the missing children's incident from 1985
When was it stated that Eleanor is Shadow Bonnie? I don't believe she's either of the shadows, but if she were one she would be Shadow Freddy, since he's the more evil one out of the two of them.
I personally believe the shadows were created from when crying child died since they matched up with his experiences Shadow Bonnie = the shadow that scares him Shadow puppet= when he dies and fades away Shadow bb= when he’s trapped in that storage room (might be reaching) Shadow Freddy = when Fredbear takes the big bite
There are many signs the Toys are possessed such as the black eyes with white pupils that the classics in fnaf 1 and Withered Freddy has indicating possession. They also act similar to how the withereds act and we know for certain they are possessed.
Why does no one get it? The toy animatronics aren't haunted at all. They never were. There weren't multiple sets of murders. Scott put bodies in the minigames to show that purple guy killed kids and stuffed them into the suits. The reason the toy animatronics suddenly become aggressive toward the stuff and adults is because William Afton intentionally tampered with the facial recognition systems, just like phone guy said. The tampering caused them to become dangerous and unstable, setting up the bite of '87 for mangle. After the bite, the place closed down and the toys were scrapped. The withereds were refurbished into their fnaf 1 forms and relocated to the new pizzeria after its construction was finished.
"Someone used one of the suits. We had a spare in the back, a yellow one. Someone used it…now none of them are acting right." I think it is very valid to think that William killed this new set of victims with one of the two main springlock suits. If it is meant to represent the MCI kids, then why would Phone Guy assume that the Toy Animatronics are actually acting that way because someone used the suit? They didn't exist in 1985, so it has to be in 87. And with this in mind, the Save Them minigame seems a lot more like a new set of murders than an representation of the first one Besides, Foxy Go Go Go! Already exists to represent the MCI, why would we need two representations of the same event? (In different places as well, Save Them even has the Toy Animatronics on stage. As for Foxy Go Go Go, it has the Pirate Cove, which should tell us that this isn't the Fnaf 2 location)
In FNaF AR an email details how they could not replicate Mangle climbing on the ceiling. This is because Mangle in AR was not possessed. That would mean Mangle in FNaF 2 is.
@@Sethxiety ok I didn’t know that, but it is a good point. Either I’m completely wrong(likely), or Mangle was possessed by Susie’s dog and the others weren’t possessed at all(which is another common theory). Scott made FNAF 2 a few months after he made FNAF 1, so he didn’t have anything past that on his mind at that point. I think he made the minigames figurative and symbolic rather than literal. I think he just wanted to show that the withered animatronics were possessed(the dead kids were slumped the same way the withered were slumped) and he tried to show the MCI in several different ways. Mangle probably wasn’t supposed to be possessed originally, but later Scott came up with the Susie and her dog story and went with that.
@@Sethxiety Souls are essentially their own thing through a context; they're not necessarily made up of memories. I think a good example would be TSE, where the children have obviously forgot that Spring Bonnie were their killer, but they still seem to be doing swell as a soul, not really split apart or anything
The DCI do not possess anything. Why haven’t they been brought up again since FNAF 2 if they were such an integral part of the story? Because they didn’t end up possessing anything, the Toys don’t have souls in them, but the parts used from the Withereds infused with remnant and agony from the MCI victims are what cause them to go haywire.
The toy animatronics are possessed by the same MCI victims since they're being repaired with parts from the withereds this much has been explicitly confirmed regardless of whatever book nonsense you cite, the books aren't even canon. There is no second incident, that's why we only ever see five gravestones (and the puppet). Henry tries to end everything by burning all of the animatronics, including Molten Freddy who Henry explicitly states houses all of the MCI victims, and yet an extra five children are never once mentioned in this game or in any other game. We never see them, they never get set free in any of the games, they're never once spoken about, not even a hint to there being an extra five kids. It's the same five kids being tormented over and over in different forms. That's why the same five dead kids pushing William to become Springtrap and live on through an animatronic body like he made them was fitting, the same five kids that have been victimized over and over were able to victimize their killer, it wouldn't be nearly as fitting if he had an extra five victims that just existed off-screen somewhere and had no part in his demise and were just never brought up. Fnaf 2 takes place during the incident, or like sometime afterward since they would've all had to have been possessed (the puppet gave them life btw, not William like you kept claiming), the rumors revolved around incidents like the death of Charlie (idr if that's her name in the games or just the books, Henry's daughter, the puppet). There is no reason to think that there was a second set of murders, and even if there was initially supposed to be, it's been retconned at this point Side note, did we ever find out wtf is up with Balloon Boy? I was going to say that him being aggressive proves that the toys are haunted by the MCI victims but he doesn’t really attack you or anything, he just takes your batteries. What could possibly lead him to walk up and take your batteries, wtf is his deal
@SharolaidArchived Have you not read my comment? The books aren't canon and that was the explicit intention regardless of whether or not a noncanon source contains a piece of information that potentially contradicts it. I said this in literally the first sentence of my comment
@Sethxiety That's not him saying that he's hidden secrets for people to use to prove that there's just randomly an extra five kids, that's him being a bad storyteller and making things overcomplicated and vague so he can watch people try to piece everything together for him lmao. Regardless of what the books say, it's only ever implied in the games as far as I know that there was one MCI for the reasons I stated in my comment, there are no extra five kids ever mentioned or shown or alluded to or anything, to assume there must have been extra kids because a noncanon source says something about heating metal is, and I genuinely don't mean to be disrespectful when I say this, a bit a dumb
@@crypt5129 The books and games are entirely different universes. The toys and dci are not in the books so there’s only one mci. However in the games, there’s 2 incidents (MCI and DCI) The dci kids are not important to the main story becauss the Toys were scrapped and scrapping means fire which the remnant of the DCI has been burned. The DCI has been set free.
The toys have to be possessed by a new set of kids there is literally a mini game that shows those bodies and Scott’s mindset was at the time was dead kids = ghost haunts if it isn’t then that’s a retcon like it or not and there’s only one that happened or whatever Scott assumption of a retcon is
>and Scott’s mindset was at the time was dead kids = ghost haunts Any evidence for this? It seems more likely he'd already had a fairly solid idea of Remnant as far back as FNAF 1. Considering stuff such as Autobiography of a Yogi is being quoted, which featured quite a *lot* of potential Remnant related material. >if it isn’t then that’s a retcon like it or not ...no it isnt? Dead bodies need something to attach to, to begin with. These bodies are not inside or near enough animatronics, unlike nearly all cases of possession. The Classics worked because they were brutally shoved inside the Animatronics, died in there, and rotted in there. There was PLENTY of close contact/opportunity to possess them. Simply not KNOWING every detail of a mechanic that only the Writer knows at the moment doesnt mean it's a Retcon, when it acts differently from your own personal Assumption. A Retcon is directly contradicting established/provided lore. eg, if something states that "The MCI occurred on August 10th", which would directly contradict/retcon the "June 26th" date provided in FNAF 1.
@@Forgottensnapdragon Bold to assume they'd have names when even major characters *STILL* dont :V ...hell, Phone Guy literally only JUST got one this year after a full *decade* (And CC, the main focus of an entire entry and most definitely one of William's Children, STILL doesnt have a confirmed name as of today).
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I agree with this theory, and the Phone Guy's statement "someone used a suit, a yellow one" and "now none of them are acting right" should already confirm it.
Problem, this doesn't happen till the last night and toys are clearly haunted before that. We also have nothing suggesting the DCI were stuffed so why would Afton wearing a Springlock suits make the Toys act haunted?
the Night 6 phone call of FNaF 2 has to be my favorite from the game. You can just hear how distraught and troubled Ralph is in his voice, how anxious he is you get this sick feeling cause you know he probably just saw the DCI on camera and it really put's you into his shoes of how he must feel
Animatronics in the games: Remember Afton killing them and want revenge on him
Animatronics in the movie and books: DON'T remember Afton killing them and see him as their friend and also doing his bitting
It also applies to the games
The kids in the games almost explicitly don't remember. We know that spirits dont remember until their bodies are found, and the children in the animatronics, somehow, weren't found. Charlotte explicitly says that all of the others are like animals. She's aware because her body was found easily in the alleyway.
Its actually a lot more similar of a plot than you think: In both cases, the children are being manipulated and they dont fully remember who killed them. In the games, they cant make Heads or Tails on what William Afton looks like, so they assume anyone sporting a nightguard uniform as the same dude. As with the gameplay, its groundhog day for them. In the movie, as you said Afton manipulates them to "do his bidding", possibly under the assumption that he told them that anyone else besides him is manipulating them.
In the film, when Mike asks the child taking on Golden Freddy to know what happened to his brother, the child retorts effectively asking "what's in it for us?". Afton has amnipulated them into believing he is the safe one and any other adult is somehow the enemy. Its a sort of in between with the games and film being a similar plot and an inversion of eachother at the same time.
literally Phone Guy saying that their facial recognition system is broken doesn't mean he's right he's just trying to explain it somehow because as we know from TWB but not only Phone Guy doesn't believe in ghosts
Yeah he tries to rationalize
And he does the same shit for the FNaF 1 animatronics saying that they think we're an endoskeleton
They're robots
@millo7295 and?
@@Teoriakthats Literally a excuse giving by fazbear entertainment
I mean...we literally have seen Mangle and BB's Ghosts in FNAF 3 as Phantoms and Toy Chica's ghost in the FNAF 3 minigames. That should be proof enough.
Toy Bonnie also has a empty eyed easter egg screen, and Toy Chica and Toy Freddy have black ghost eyes in game.
Yeah. But the phantoms aren't technically ghosts but rather hallucinations induced by Springtrap against the guard
The Phantoms are rather the agony of the Toys and other animatronics manifested into a certain form which Springtrap can control
@@Sethxiety Mangle, BB, and Toy Chica's Ghosts are all in the FNAF 3 mini games, and we know they aren't the MCI kids as those 5 spirits are accounted for and present in the mini games.
We PLAY as Balloon Boy, Mangle, Toy Chica, Golden Freddy, RXQ, and The Puppet, giving cake to Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, Foxy, and different Golden Freddy,
All the details about the SAVE THEM minigame, so peoole know exactly everything about it:
- Withered Freddy's the playable character.
- you're supposed to follow the Puppet to Save Them.
- You find out that you're trying to save kids, but they're already dead.
- White shapes are littered throughout the restaurant. What these are is unexplained.
- There's several pools of blood in the minigame in various rooms.
- Golden Freddy can show up sometimes.
- Purple guy can show up sometimes aswell, and he will charge you, ending the minigame.
- Mangle's moving on their own. The toys aren't.
- Purple guy's sprite is details to have a golden-like object on his chest, assumed to be a badge.
- There's an absolute lack of people in the minigame.
- Withered Freddy's moving. He's only shown to do this at night.
Now, here's my theory of what this minigame is telling fully:
It establishes a "who", "when", and "where".
"Who" was the Purple guy, as he's present.
"When" was when he was working his Night shifts, noted by his badge in his sprite and the lack of people.
"Where" was in the FNAF 2 pizzeria.
Just like that, the story unmuddies itself:
The DCI happened a week before your shifts. Purple guy complains that the animatronics are aggresive and is transferred to dayshift. Your shift starts, but the toys are now possessed. The Police start on their investigation by night 3. Purple guy is found out and fired soon after, so a dayshift slot opens. By Night 6 everyone figures it out, the next week the Bite of 87 happens.
A pretty solid series of events if you ask me.
Aside from him being fired, I think he booked it once they catch onto him or the toys becoming more aggressive. I agree with this.
Another interesting thing to note is that instead of 5 blood stains, there are 6, implying that 6 children died, but one of them was hidden somewhere
@@endstoneninja3845 i think someone made a theory suggesting that the 6th child went on to posses JJ
@@keenan2561 that’s exactly why I brought up the six bloodstains in the first place, I didn’t think you saw that theory too.
As a toys dci person, i’m hoping that scott can put the DCI in the second movie
And i do believe the theory that their identities are the neighborhood/street kids that BV interacts with
I'm really interested to see what they do with the toys in the movie.
@@Sethxiety the fourth script can match with this.
it’s the one where there is a father and his two kids go to an abandoned pizzeria (where the toys could be)
A second set of murders is never implied to have occurred and, ngl, it would be comically terrible storytelling if it did. None of these victims are ever even alluded to in any other game, not even the one where Henry gathers everything and everyone in one location to end everything once and for all, no mention of any more than five dead kids. We get gravestones with names, but not for these extra five kids, what would be implied if they existed is that they were there for one game and then just never came back. Even beyond that, 11 dead kids is way too much, there is no reason to take the focus away from the main victims to create a whole new set of victims that do nothing but needlessly double the body count just to explain why some of the characters are more aggressive
@@crypt5129 Rescue The Children literally referenced them in ITPG?
Have you not heard the fnaf 2 phone calls?
And the DCI are much so background characters while the MCI + Charlie are main characters.
The reason we don’t get to see them again is because their remnant got destroyed when scrapping the toys while the MCI possessing the classics had to wait a bit longer.
@SharolaidArchived Idk shit about ITPG so I'll grant you that maybe one game that came out a lot later and may not even be canon referenced the possibility of an extra five victims, sure. Maybe you're right here and I'm framing it poorly, but this doesn't seem substantial to me
The fnaf 2 phone calls don't imply a second incident, he's talking about the first incident. The rumors are based on events like the death of the puppet (and probably retconned to include the bite of 83). There's no indication that this has happened before, just somehow the same exact number of kids died and no one explicitly mentioned it ever
Again, bad storytelling. Five random kids show up to explain something that could be explained in a much easier and more narratively-satisfying and coherent manner, a manner that aligns with everything else we see in the series, and then they're immediately gone, never to be mentioned again? There's no reason for that nor is there any substantial evidence for it beyond nitpicking of noncanon and/or dubiously canon material
Both. Both are good.
7:47 THIS part is why I'm against MoltenMCI.
Most think William did HALF of Follow me, used them for the funtimes, then went back AGAIN (For some reason) and died on the 5th night minigame.
I think it's more like how the fourth closet tells it.
1. William powers the funtimes (games imply Funtimes are kidnapping Machines. The 4th closet even has Baby do this)
2. William keeps the spirits in line. (4th closet has William appear as Spring Bonnie, result of post-springtrap, I assume.....And the games probably use Controlled shocks to Domesticate the spirits)
2.5. Domestication can force ANYONE to comply after enough time. (Give me remnant or get SHOCKED. And having them in the funtimes bypasses him shocking the Very broken classic endos, which is NEVER hinted at, while "kidnapped kids = Game Funtime spirits" IS, like TFC and count the ways. BURNING the classic endo for soul transfer is, but SHOCKING them for it isn't. "SHOCKING = COMPLIANCE" IS too.)
3. The spirits are split across multiple funtimes.
4. A human trial is performed, and the spirits start coming back together (Carlton + the MCI spirits in TFC, and Mike + Ennard in the games)
5. William TRIES to get more remnant from OTHER kids. (In TFC, he tries to use one of the kids kidnapped by Baby/the funtimes, while the games are obviously gonna be the MCI in Follow me)
6. The MCI kids attack and "kill" William.
7:53 + 9:38 Also TFC makes it clear not much is required for a spirit to possess another object, in terms of the parts they possess. If it took LOTS of parts, then the amalgamation WOULDN'T be able to power at least 5, maybe more, animatronics in TFC and STILL look whole. (Freddy, Foxy, and about 3 of the mini clown robots.
And 6-7 TYPES of animatronics in the games (Main 3 (excluding Baby), MULTIPLE Minirenas, MULTIPLE Biddybabs, maybe even Lolbit and Yenndo, etc)
He went back to regain the springbonnie suit
To feel more powerful and confident
As seen on silver eyes
@@Wizardjones69 well, theories flip flop between "I went back for the SpringBonnie Suit" and "I went back for Golden Freddy". And there's limited evidence for both. (Only evidence is 5th spirit kid + Spring Bonnie is in the safe room)
Follow me takes place over the course of multiple nights that means he comes back to destroy Freddy and friends over 5 night
@@KirbyFan-h9y the fact that it's raining over the 5 minigames puts it into question. But the result is, at the least, the animatronic casings and Afton are left behind in the abandoned Fnaf 1 location. With Afton trapped in the same room he killed the MCI kids in.
We know from the games, that the Funtimes were likely never used as after Elizabeth got killed they stored in the underground location. And while Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rentals exists, we don't have any confirmation that it actually was used to kill kids.
Compare that to MoltenMCI where we do have evidence. William tears down the animatronics to grab the endoskeletons. (He returns on the 5 night to grab Springbonnie as he thinks that suit has power over the spirits, which is why he hides in it during Follow Me). Help Wanted shows the 4 original Endoskeleton in a burner in the FNAF SL location. Molten Freddy kicks out Baby because they don't want to follow her because she is loyal to Afton. Behavior that would fit the MCI Victims. And keep in mind a random kids killed by the Funtimes wouldn't know about Afton as the whole storing them alive thing didn't work with Elizabeth. And lastly, FNAF 6 is literally all about bringing everyone together (except Golden Freddy) to burn the remnant out of them. And the MCI wouldn't be there without Molten Freddy.
I just found your channel. I hope that in The FNAF 2 Movie that different elements of The Toy's behavior compared to the classics are seen, such as acting different due to pure advanced ai. Maybe William or someone working for William would hack The Toys to be violent.
In the twisted ones, William is able to control those animatronics when he dies in spring Bonnie because they have the same showtime programs
Will probably be the explanation for the toys behavior
The script was adjusted to address criticism of the first movie, so it’s likely the toys will be much more aggressive than the classics
Classics weren’t scary originally because Scott wanted to show the human side of them
@@KirbyFan-h9y I've heard someone say it is likely we will see the Toy Animatronics speak in The FNAF 2 Movie, whether we first see in a scene of engineers testing the new animatronics, performing on stage, or doing stuff in the night. I am very curious and excited to see how mangle will be portrayed in the second film. Agree?
To the toys not being haunted in one of FNAF AR's emails it reveals that the Fazbear Funtime Service, cannot replicate Mangle climbing on the celling which implies the original could only do that because they were possessed. Thank you for watching and I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
It’s either that or another set of children go missing which I don’t think will happen. William is already springlocked and locked in the storage room so there can’t be any murders happening at that point. I feel it’s definitely the animatronics programing being corrupted rather than children’s spirits in control. It just moves more cleaner that just introducing another pair of children alongside the original children
@@TripleThreat145No it doesn’t. It basically means the second set of kids are irrelevant and we will have no lore relevance besides them being additional murder sprees.
The DCI is mostly likely option for it to happen in the movie.
Does someone really believe that toys was hunted by mci???? LMAO WITHERED ANIMATRONICS ARE RIGHT HERE??? Interesting video tho
they are partially disassembled, and are explicitly stated to be kept around for spare parts, but i agree the dci possess the toys
"something borrowed, somethiny new" fnaf 2 poster
phone guy talke about the toys being made with withered parts
@luluu0101 doesn't mean mci possessing toys lol. In fact, soaked in remnant and agony parts of withered can be reason why dci souls can possessed toys even if they bodies wasnt in such close contact with metal as other victims (if their possession is even canon because aren't we still don't know basically jackshit about them?) 🤷 also this shit can mean literally anything that scott changed long time ago and we would never know because he rather chew his own leg than give clear answers so thinking that mci possessing toys theory is true in any capacity in current fnaf era is kinda silly. As cool au concept/headcanon tho why not
Teasers shouldn't mean jackshit when we had 87 imagery all over the FNaF 4 teasers
Some believe the toys are haunted by parts of the MCI's souls yeah. Thank you for watching and enjoying the video :D
I love how these videos open up new perspectives for me by giving me points of lore I don't really think about often thank you for this educational video
Thank you! Glad to see you enjoyed, thanks for watching.
Ya, I'm gonna have to disagree. For one, we see that Afton doesn't use the Springlock suit during the DCI. He is walking around plain as day, when animatronics can still get him, in his guard uniform that the animatronics don't like.
The whole idea of Afton in the Yellow Suit setting them off comes from our last day on the job. If this line is referring to the DCI, no one would know this as Afton would like to erase the tapes of it, and the cops don't find it until the last day of the investigation. Phone Guy also says, "We had a spare suit in the back," meaning the Springlock suit was there until right before the final night. This means Afton would have grabbed the suit sometime before the nightguard shift on the penultimate night and set off the animatronics. However, the toys are clearly possessed way before this point.
As for the book evidence. We are basically told in Fazbear Frights, "metal haunted, put metal in new thing, that thing haunted." No willingness is required, as Jake clearly wasn't willing to possess the Stichwraith. He didn't even know he was going in it.
As for the whole soul splitting thing, do I like it? No, but it's a thing. We know from Help Wanted that Afton took the original 4 Endos for the Funtimes, and yet the souls are still in the FNAF 1 building, potentially because the shells are still there. Or they possessed the building as implied by the Week Before.
This is fair. But I think the point of the yellow suit can easily be suggested after it he gained the kids trust and killed them, he took it off. The DCI had to have happened at night given the bodies are lying around and that can't happen during the day so the murders happen the week before Jeremy takes the position. Explaining their possession by that point. I don't think he would have taken the suit from the location as they would have caught onto him because he would have been the only guy to have worked the night shift at the time, they would have known he took it. Just as he might have left Spring Bonnie in the safe room after the MCI occurred (not sure about that one though).
I think the phone calls detail the progression of the investigation with night 6 being where they might have found something to suggest something did happen at the location or perhaps as you said, someone wore the suit for some reason despite the suits no longer meant to be used and it further triggered the animatronics. I prefer thinking it was the former option.
Why would he take it off? Honestly, idk it's weird
@@Sethxiety The problem with the DCI is we literally know nothing.
Did Afton use a Springlock? It's unclear as Phone Guy's wording of "had" makes it seem like the suit is no longer there and therefore moved recently before the call. Unless Afton used it twice.
How did the kids get there?
Did Afton stuff them, or did he leave them like Charlie. (Probably the ladder considered he literally couldn't stuff something into the already broken Mangle unless Save Them is the day after, but then how was the body not discovered?)
Puppet is the reason the OGs became possessed. Did she do it again, and if she did why do we never learn about these kids?
I think my best possible explanation goes as follows. Afton lures 5 or 6 kids (Unclear) to FNAF 2 potentially while wearing Springbonnie (as the Golden Freddy in this location likely still has a body, I say this location as we know multiple Springlock suits exists.) He leaves the body around the location like Charlie to see what happens. However, while doing this he notices that Mangle already seems haunted. (Mangle moves during Save Them and considering she is the most broken, she likely took the most parts from Foxy making them the possessed). Puppet refused to make the DCI possess the Toys so Afton puts Springbonnie away (if he used it). Cleans up the bodies and finishes his shift.
He works the dayshift until he realizes the location is going to close down. He steals Springbonnie and brings it to Sister Location so he can have it. This not only explains why Phone Guys says we "had" a suit in the back but also explains the FNAF 3 phone call explaining that Springbonnie has been moved. (I'm a personal believer in 1987 Springlock Retirement not 1985 as there is a lot evidence between FNAF 2 and 3 that support it). The week before explains that FNAF 2 and 1 are the same location so he brings Springbonnie back and preform Follow Me.
FINALLY, PEOPLE REALIZE WHAT REAL LOGIC IS!!!!!!
I'll admit, I am not entirely convinced the "DCI" is a thing really. Since it's from the perspective of the haunted animatronics and with how, at the time, Scott wasn't using the minigames as a literal representation of the environment. It's something that only exists purely in the minigame having those bodies and nowhere else is it ever mentioned. Considering the MCI is the core thread of everything in the series, it seems very strange that a second major murder event is never addressed even one time outside of the minigame.
The phone calls in 2 heavily suggest another set of kids did die there. There wouldn't be an investigation there if something wasn't up. The difference with this one is that it happened at night when the place was closed before Jeremy started working there. So they didn't even know something happened there until the end of the game.
So… let me get this straight:
The Toys can’t be possessed by half of the MCI because it’s not the same remnant energy from the same Endos from the Withereds? I feel like that’s how Scott is analyzing the rules of possession.
It’s mainly that the Withereds’ shells were used to upgrade the Toy animatronics. But instead, William commits another murder group to see if the Puppet would give life to them, but it didn’t work.
I feel like the DCI’s role is William attempting to do another MCI and see if the Puppet would stuff their corpses into the Toys. Under PuppetStuff & WillStuff, William stuffed Cassidy to hide their body which led Cassidy to get Springlocked, later the Puppet learns from that and helps the core 4 by stuffing their bodies in the animatronics. Later on, William is concerned as to why the bodies weren’t found and goes into disguise to see if another attempt works.
So in 1987, William does it again but the Puppet doesn’t stuff them because Charlie learned from her mistakes. Now this pushes William to believe that his victims are haunting Freddy’s.
And my idea is that the DCI possesses the Toys but are connected with the Withereds, and they start following the MCI to try to kill any adult based on what they remembered before death.
But… I want to throw out the theory called “MoltenAugment” and it’s a theory where both DCI and MCI possess the Funtimes and William built the Funtimes Post-FNAF2. So under this theory, William melts down the Toys to see how the Funtimes would do their bidding, but he needs his Spring Bonnie suit to have full control- and we know what happened.
Overall, I would list out theory details about the DCI, but I wish they were brought back again to flesh them out. Maybe a Week Before FNAF 2 Interactive Novel would be a nice idea. After all, good video
It's not got to do with remnant energy, it's got to do with the MCI not wanting their souls to be broken and haunt the toys. Which is why I believe William melts down the MCI to warp their memories and their souls to allow for this process to work. I don't think adding parts alone would do the trick.
The Withereds weren't used to upgrade the toys, more rather they were used as spare parts from the Withereds incase something went wrong with the toys. If anything, they attempted the upgrade the Withereds before abandoning the project because they were "too ugly".
As for PuppetStuff, many sources of media out right say William stuffed the kids with FNAF 1's newspapers saying blood and mucus came out of the animatronics before The Puppet was even a character. Which is why I don't think The Puppet stuffed anyone.
Well, I believe Elizabeth died before the MCI so the Funtimes would have already existed. But man I wish the DCI had more relevance. Thank you for watching and commenting!
@ Ahh I see.
Either my mind was zoned out over ToysDCI and I was looking over the DCI.
Glad you wish DCI gets more relevance
Puppet didn't stuff the bodies.
@@Sethxiety >with FNAF 1's newspapers saying blood and mucus came out of the animatronics before The Puppet was even a character.
I will note, this... kind of works? But at the same time, it was never stated *who* exactly stuffed them, until 2 where Give Gifts Give Life was brought up.
Not so much a conflict or Retcon, but Retroactive lore potentially?
@ multiple pieces of media outright say William stuffed the kids. Even the movie continuity where the puppet does exist and ITPG where a kid is stuffed in an endoskeleton by a creature imitating William’s actions as its connected to the memory of the MCI.
Great video
I believe the toys are possessed by the DCI kids however, there is one exception that I do believe this theory applies to
Mangle
Mangle in Fnaf 2 is really strange in save them mini game one of the few animatronics that are moving. The only ones moving are W. Freddy, puppet and golden Freddy and the DCI just seemed to happen hence “save them” freddy could’ve saved them since the DCI at night
(the week before basically confirms this the phone guy saying kids were dared/challenge to go to Freddy’s to prove their bravery)
So the toys haven’t been possessed yet but mangle is moving and they are aware as their Sprite is called “ he was here” but why?
Well as dislike The theory originally I have come to believe it and agree with it.
Mangle is possessed by Susie’s dead dog.
Not only does mangle act like a dog, but there Ar voice lines have dog like behavior as well. Infact in the voice lines there seems to be two different personalities
When this the first came my biggest question was how? The dog died before mangle became an animatronic and back in 2017 there wasn’t any MCI 1985 yet (I do think Funtime foxy and bb are a part of 1985 but That’s besides the point)
But things have become much more clearer than I do. Think I know how they’re possessed by the dog.
Not only do I think mangle is possessed by the dog? I believe the cupcake is too.
I thought originally the cupcakes aggressiveness/sentience was a movie exclusive thing however
As the week before and into the pit the game confirmed the cupcake is also sentient in the game continuity
In the into the pit sketchbook the cupcake is stated to growl and bite people like a dog and Chica seems to care a lot about it
Now how can the does the dog possessed both the cupcake and mangle
This is where the reuse parts/spare parts theory comes in mangle is a take apart put back together attraction. The company treats them as such and goes along with it. The kids had to get their parts from somewhere and that somewhere is the withered I FE was using parts from the withered animatronics for mangle
I believe mangle 2nd head is the cupcake. Never see Withered cupcake in the game I believe the cupcakes parts were used for the animatronic.
Some people believe the head was a parrot, but as we see from worlds fixed design of them, they don’t have any parrot/companion.
But the endo head is a endo 02
Well that would be a problem if it weren’t for another theory that’s basically confirmed at this point retrofit theory
The classic animatronics were upgraded for the new location but scrapped, which is why they look like the withered
Phone guy says all of the animatronics were retrofitted. the cupcake is also an animatronic. so they would have a new Endo.
So basically mangle is possessed by the dog because of the cupcake
Now how the dog possessed the animatronic is strange But I think there are 2 options
1. There soul attaches to Susie and joins her when she dies.
2. The cupcake is possessed by the memory of the dog/wanted for them maybe
Final question would be what happens to the 5th DCI kid and I think this is pretty simple (that into the pit mini game basically confirmed that there’s 6)
The 5th kid most likely possesses JJ
The DCI are (forgive my language) a parallel to the MCI kids
The 4 possess an animatronic that attacks during the main game while the 5th one possesses as a secret that a recolor of another character
Also see a blood splatter under the table in save them
So the five DCI kids possess toy Freddy toy chica, toy bonnie, BB and JJ
Imo
Anyways keep making great videos. I love your content.
Dang, Kirby we meet again.
@@KirbyFan-h9y Mangle is also possessed by a DCI Kid, She isn’t even able to climb in AR which implies she can climb because she’s possessed.
@@SonZackSSJ9k she’s able to climb because he is possessed by the dog
@@KirbyFan-h9ythats not good evidence. plus, what is that dci kid is supposed to possess? it’s definitely mangle because they’re already in close proximity.
if you’re saying the dog possess mangle because “it’s able to climb” but some of the toys climb into the vents too?
Thank you for the donation. Again you don't have to lol but thank you. I don't think the cupcake or Mangle are possessed by Susie's dog. I think Mangle is just possessed by the DCI kid in the room with them in the minigame. The Cupcake is just an extension of Susie's spirit and I think if anything, it takes on the memory of her dog but it essentially has a part of Susie's soul in it. In the movie William says "wake up children" and Bonnie and Freddy wake up with the Cupcake being apart of Chica presumably shows it is just an extension of Susie's soul. But that's just me. Again thank you for the donation and thank you for watching.
Did we ever think that? I’ve never heard the theory that the toys were haunted or possessed in any way…
People have always thought this since fnaf 2's release.
Wait... PHONE GUY IS CALLED RALPH?? WHAT
Yep. A Phone Guy book was released August titled The Week Before.
Wait wait wait. We see a moving mangle in the fnaf 2 minigames?
Have I seriously never noticed that for 10 years or did I just forget about it all this time?
There are many unanswered questions, for example, according to the story, FNAF 2 is before FNAF 1, but the withered animatronics are corrupted versions of the originals, if the withereds existed first, how could they be corrupted?
Or why aren't there broken versions of the toy animatronics in the first game?
The withereds are from a freddy’s location from 1985 where the missing childrens incident took place, becoming haunted. These characters from that location had the same look as the classics from fnaf 1. They look different because the company retrofitted them with newer technology and looks until they abandoned the project leaving them for spare parts to use as they were “too ugly”.
The toys were scrapped and never used at fnaf 1 as said in fnaf 2 night 6 newspaper.
They really try to give any explanation rather than the simplest one
Not sure if you agree with the video or not
I’m referring to when people try to explain the Toy’s behavior as something besides the DCI. Not trying to disagree with you in any way, just the fact that people are over explaining when the easier and likely solution is right there
Ok, glad to see
@@TripleThreat145 >the easier and likely solution
This i would disagree with.
Pretty much at first glance, the evidence swings HEAVILY in Spare Parts' favor, with both the Teaser "Something *Borrowed,* Something New", and Phone Guy saying as much that they're using the Withereds for spare parts.
With the Animatronics growing more aggressive as the week goes on, until Night 6 where GFreddy activates at the same time the Investigation/mention of a Murder is brought up.
At least 2-3 fairly strong pieces of evidence out the game that's fairly clearly spelled out.
The DCI meanwhile, there IS the clear parallel to the MCI, but unlike MCI we dont get any clear indication/info that tells us "they were stuffed" like the clippings did.
I just realised this but THEY PUT JEREMY ON THE DAYSHIFT AFTER HE JUST FINISHED THE NIGHT SHIFT. Can they do that legally?
Well here's the thing, they are hostile before the MCI. It would make no sense that the spirits would posses the toys and then the older models
The MCI already haunt the Withereds as the MCI happened in 1985. The DCI happened the week before Jeremy worked there, when the previous guard was the night guard who is heavily implied to be William. Kids bodies can't be lying around the location when its open so it would have to happen at night.
Are we sure that the phone guy saying "all just rumors" isnt him talking about the bite of 83?
The Week Before shows the bite happened during the opening hours of Fredbear’s and other people outside of Mike and his friends were there to witness it. So it wouldn't be referred to as “rumours”
the Toys could feasibly not be haunted, it would require the most blatant retcon ever turning the Withereds smelling and bleeding into a complete red herring and the animatronics were just falling apart
The withereds were haunted before fnaf 2. With the MCI occurring in 1985, the toys would be haunted by the set of victims from the fnaf 2 establishment
Maybe the ghosts that “kill” Afton are the second set of MCI
They definitely were the MCI not the second unfortunately
I've known all my life that the Toys are possessed by other souls - this can be deduced from the mini-games and from the words of Phone Guy. I thought everyone knew that. Of course I don't want to offend anyone, I just considered it fact for the last 10 years, not speculation or theory. I haven't watched the movie yet, but I assume that you think that Toys are possessed by the souls from the murder that took place a few days before FNAF 2
It's so odd. How the conversation has changed so much in FNAF. What was once a mysterious story of ghosts and possession and... well... authentic mystery is now a discussion on the mechanics of a fictional element with artificial mystery. The difference to me being that an authentic mystery can be solved without the author's input. A lot of FNAF lore and content requires answers from the dev to be truly solved otherwise its conjecture. Not saying either are inherently good or bad or that one never existed in the story. But at this point, if the owners dropped it and never did anything with it again, despite multiple stories supposed to be the end, despite hours, years in total or longer if you added up all the videos and writings and more about this, books, a movie. All of it and if it stopped now, it would be debated and likely never solved.
The big thing that annoys me about the Toys being possessed by MCI/DCI/whatever is that the Toys are eventually scrapped by Fazbear Ent., not William or anyone else, since he was presumably already fired when they get scrapped.
The books don't necessarily mean anything either, but yes, remnant wasn't even a concept during FNaF2.
_(This does bring up a "Ship of Theseus" of sorts on how many parts you'd need to replace before the animatronic isn't haunted anymore lmao)_
Great video. I honestly only have one problem, and that’s the DCI. I simply do not belive it explains the toy animatronics. I don't belive DCI, because of night 1. Ralph first mention rumors on night 3, which seem odd, especially because children dying would likely immediately have shut down the restaurant. So it's more likely something happened day 3, starting the rumors.
Thereby it leaves the question: why is the toys attacking us on night 1?
The DCI simply doesn't make sense, because it doesn't explain Toy Bonnie and Toy Chicka. Since dead children would have shut down the restaurant for a few days.
Now I do agree the ToyMCI theory isn't the most solid either, but if FunTimeMCI is what happened, then the ToyMCI likely is also the case.
The thing about the ToyMCI is it explain night 1, even if melting metal likely would have destroyed the remnant. Then this can explain why the restaurant was running until the DCI at night 3, even though the toy animatronics are clearly haunted.
But lets assume neither of these two theories are the case. Then what can cause it?
I do admit something supernatural is controlling them, because Ralph imply Mangle has a habit of crawling on the roof.
I have a possible 3rd option. We know Cassidy is extremely powerful, heck, she even create a hell. So it could be assumed, the same goes for Charlie. Now hear me out, because considering what Cassidy and Andrew and the Stichray can do. It could be considered that a fully conscious spirit, like Charlie might be able to control the toys, from afar. I know it's a far stretch, but considering Charlie (who doesn't hate us, as long we don't stay in her way), is trying to kill us. It would make sense for her to have a motive. And considering we are keeping her locked in a box, preventing her from saving the MCI victims. I think the motive is pretty clear. And again considering what the others can do, it does make sense, if Charlie somehow control the toys and are using them to get rid of a persistent problem(us).
This is of course just my thoughts. Thanks for reading. I wish you a great day.
Delusional ass 😂
The DCI simply took place the Week before the game takes place, it started spreading a week later and then the rumors got to the police who investigated the pizzeria and closed it down for a few days.
Cassidy can only control animatronics in a personal hell, not the real world. If Charlie didn't hate us then why would she be getting the toys to kill us? Also, William killed the DCI victims during his nightshift, which was before ours. This means that those phone calls were either prerecorded or made before Phone Guy was aware of the DCI.
@@SonZackSSJ9k Spot on. I still don't get how people don't realize that.
ToyMCI is not the case because the books debunks it.
I love the analysis and you explain everything very well
I will add that one of the main reasons that MCIToys exists and is popular doesnt actually have anything to do with the manner of the Toys becoming haunted, but rather, where did the DCI kids go?
This is just an unfortunate plot hole as the MCI kids have grown in importance over the years, as the story slightly shifted to all the hauntings being the same tortured and confused 5 spirits instead of the original "William Afton left a LOT of dead kids behind, there's a lot of ghosts."
Yeah. I myself only believed in ToyMCI for a time because the DCI are never brought up again 😭
@@Sethxietyyeah cuz within the first 4 games we had
FNaF1: 4, actually a secret 5th one
FNaF2: 11, maybe 12 depending on what you count or not, plus 2 Shadow animatronics
FNaF3: the murderer plus a whole bunch of Shadows in the Happiest Day mini games
FNaF4: probably the first dead kid... Unless Psychic Friend Fredbear is haunted maybe 2
Then Sister Location introduces the idea that the same 4/5 kids from the first game are the Important Ones. Oh and Elizabeth.
@@Sethxiety Honestly, DCI is 100% a huge gaping hole that hasnt been elaborated on.
...like much of FNAF 2, actually.
@higueraft571 fnaf 2 has been abandoned lmao. Hoping the 2nd movie can elaborate on things.
@@Sethxiety Pretty much :V
Honestly wouldnt Blame Scott, considering it's by far the messiest of the games lore-wise (possibly even including SB)
FNAF 4 is a bit of a mess as well in places, but nowhere near as bad. You can at least parse everything you see coherently unlike 2...
just a note against this is an interpretation of the toy chica in fnaf 4. Toy chica presumbably only starts taking off her beak after she gets possessed, and in the fnaf 4 minigames the toy chica doll is missing its beak symolising possesion and the doll is owned by a blond girl with her arms sticking outwards, just like withered chica. I think that the toy chica doll is a clue that the toys are controled by the withereds.
The beak isn't really a sign of possession as the indicator for us at the time was the black eyes with white pupils which Toy Chica has in 2 and not the figure in 4. The beak could just come off. With 4, Scott turned it into a lore clue. There are theories as to why this is replicated with the animatronic such as CC's memoires influencing things throughout the series or the girl in 4 haunts Toy Chica.
I haven’t seen the video yet (probably will tomorrow)
But the ”DCI” incident is, through the phone calls, implied to have happened during the week that Jeremy works there
Thing is, the animatronics are after him starting day 1, which means that they’re possessed before the incident occurs, and I believe the only logical option is for the fragments of the MCI spirits having ended up in the Toys in order for this to work
Again, as I haven’t watched the video yet, I don’t know if you counter any of this or not
The only real time the DCI can happen is at night and before Jeremy's week as 1) the bodies are lying around the building 2) if it was a during the day people would know it was William who did it 3) William is wearing a security badge from the looks of things which implies he is working as the security guard.
Hope you enjoy the video when you watch it :)
Aparts from these i think that the funtimes have other souls apart from the mci ones
Possible, but nothing really indicates that
My theory is that BOTH the DCI and MCI possesses the toys. Ralph first says that the DCI are rumors and the reason the toys attack is because they weren’t given a proper night mode. But that is most likely a coverup because Ralph says extremely similar things in Fnaf1 despite him lying and knowing why. I am also a firm believer in Molten DCI and Molten MCI because I think William collected remnant from the toys, which has both MCI and DCI according to me. And collects more remnant from the 4 animatronics that has the MCI in them. The Toys are the complete opposite from the Funtimes. The toys try to help protect children and the Funtimes lure and capture children. I also believe that the Funtimes are ALSO possessed by their personal victims. Meaning I personally think Molten Freddy is a big ol Blob with lots and lots of remnant because it contains the souls of the MCI, DCI, and the Funtime victims. You can also visually see Remnant leaking out of Molten Freddy, it kinda looks like blood, but it’s most likely remnant mercury that is molten because of how angry the souls are in Molten Freddy, so they literally become Molten and melt remnant because of their anger. Molten Freddy could also be molten because of Fnaf3. Assuming that Molten Freddy is the manifestation of the Fnaf3 bad ending, Fnaf3 also ends with a fire, which could be why he’s Molten
To me, the toys are haunted by the time we start our work week as they start moving night 1. Toy Chica has the same eyes the animatronics have when they are possessed. The only real time William could commit the DCI is when he was working the nightshift as he can't lure the kids to the back room in FNAF 2 as there isn't a safe room as they were locked up and abandoned after the MCI. He is also wearing a badge in the Save Them minigame implying this is happening when he is on his shift, the nightshift.
As for MoltenDCI, while it would be cool, FNAF 6 implies it's just the MCI as we are not given names for the DCI and the 5 things become one line from Candy Cadet imo. Thanks for commenting and watching :D
That chicken character though
Good video! Even though some quotes were really long, I’m glag that you used specific ones to back up these points. I do have a few points of disagreement.
10:33 I feel this quote answers your question of why he doesnt just put parts into the Funtimes. The Funtimes have completely different parts compared to the regular Endos, but by turning the parts into remnant, Afton could theoretically inject it into both the Funtimes and pretty much anything else he wants, including humans. This gives him the control he desires without having to compromise his animatronic designs. Imo, you could argue there may be an element of ego at play, where Afton would want to enhance his own creations and tear down Henry’s.
12:28 I’m not sure this is the case in the games? In FM, they leave Spring Bonnie to die in the back room, it plays out similarly to how the blonde kid leaves William to die in the closet in the film.
16:04 I think its worth noting that only the head of Simon is added to the endo. This could potentially explain why his memories are all janky? Maybe a piece of him was left behind in the rest of the doll? Not to mention, Simon is haunted before Jake dies, I’d say he’s more comparable to the haunted chair or mirror Taggart has. The main memory that’s latched on Simon is one of Jake being a normal boy, hence why he’s confused when he recalls thinking about being reborn.
In theory, if parts of the withereds/classics were put into the toys, this could explain why they’re weird around all adults and they don’t remember exactly who did the DCI.
Otherwise, the Toys are acting forgetful for kind of no reason? In TWB, we learn the Classics have a grudge against Ralph because he’s been there so long and always gets to leave. We also see the MCI leave Afton to die as I mentioned earlier, seems like they remember the Yellow Rabbit killing them. I’m not sure why the DCI haunting the toys would suddenly forget who their killer is or what he even looks like, especially Mangle who, as you mentioned, is named “he was here” and were assuming is already haunted when William is still there. 🤷♂️
Maybe “he was here” refers to Golden Freddy instead, since he can teleport into that room.
I think the reasons for melting the souls can have multiple reasons. Yes melting them does make it easier to add them as is backed up TFC, however, I do think taking them apart and melting them affects their memories which is why they see William as the yellow rabbit and not William himself.
In FM, they see him enter the suit so they would know Spring Bonnie isn't there friend in that instance.
Yes, the head is added, it's why I also provided some screenshots of quotes from Epilogue 3 towards the end as I made that mistake. I think what you're talking about is imo Jake's connection with Simon causing it. Similar to how CC's fear might have helped bring the Fredbear plush to "life" if that's what happened with it.
Few things here, the kids in the games do not remember the yellow rabbit killing them and they don't even know they died. They have to trust the yellow rabbit for MoltenMCI to even work and them not being as aware is implied by Charlie in UCN. "The others are like animals but I am very aware".
Sprints are just forgetful after they died, its a constant throughout the franchise.
They might not know what he looks like if he used a suit to kill them like Golden Freddy if Spring Bonnie wasn't at the location or he just used Spring Bonnie. Or they saw who killed them so they remember or they act aggressive towards staff because they know an adult killed them and they know they were killed as they saw their bodies. The MCI don't even seem to know they are dead which again is reflected with Susie in TFC, not remember if William took her to see her dog.
Thanks for watching and for the comment.
The Withered are the ones that get possesed during the events of FNAF2
The Toys are purely robot/Basic AI
Shrimple
The withereds are already possessed by the MCI from 1985. FNAF 2 occurs in 1987
Bro fell for fazbear entertainment propaganda
6:14 Disagree here, Remnant was not *COINED* at the time (that came many years later), but the mechanics/essence of it were most certainly in place/on Scott's mind, even as far back as FNAF 1.
The Possession concept seems to rely heavily on the same sort that creates a "Haunted Car" that seems to drive itself with nobody inside (often due to the driver dying in a crash or such, or a Murder), a product of a tragic accident.
Also, Autobiography of a Yogi has QUITE a few fingerprints of Remnant scattered throughout, if one were to read through it, i know there was a video that went through it in heavy detail as well...
And, of course, FNAF 3 as well. The Endos were split from the Shells, yet the Shells DO contain a spirit.
Same with Golden Freddy, a suit whose Endo seems to be partially or even completely removed, yet still Haunted.
7:40 Doesnt Fetch from Frights post a bit of a problem in this case, considering it's battery is taken out and shoved in a brand new Endo? Unfortunately Phineas Taggart likely doesnt have any relation to Andrew OR Jake in this instance, unlike the similar situation in the Novels with MoltenMCI.
9:44 The most likely answer seems to be "He didnt HAVE to, but this is the best way to get as much/as complete of a batch of Remnant as possible".
The stuff's in REALLY limited supply, practically worth more than gold, and shoving 4-ish kids worth of Soul Soup into 4(5?) different robots doesnt leave too much room to poke around with any extra material :V
The Spare Parts certainly WOULD work presumably, but nowhere near as well as transplanting the ENTIRE thing, at once, considering it'd be a much more complete/"intact" specimen, and there'd be no reason to only settle for half-measures.
As for the Heating:
I believe this is simply the BEST way to inject (Raw) Remnant into an object, not the ONLY way.
While it may not be the best example, i believe the Ella doll in the Novels is a decent example? The one that later became "Charlie" with a few premade Memories inserted to Complete her...
And maybe Michael at the end of SL, possibly?
It seems likely this is similar to the situation in Portal. It's stated that ground Moonrock is an excellent Conductor for Portals, which led to people believing EVERY portal surface in the game is Moonrock, even in places it makes 0 sense (such as portal surfaces in the 40s and 50s, before the Moon Landing had ever occurred, and before the purchase of said Moonrocks in the 80s).
When Cave had only stated that it's an excellent one, compared to others (such as standard Concrete).
Back to FNAF, another thought: Heat could simply *bypass* that "willingness", as well. Because remember, it effectively puts them to sleep/knocks them out. It'd be rather difficult to consent if you're not awake, especially if the Metal's been melted away/you're in a much more Reactive state...
14:10 This... really isnt *that* relevant? Like, of course it doesnt have to be *William* doing it, the company KNOWS about it, Phone guy even states they just use the Withereds for spare parts after their renovation plan fell through in favor of the Toys.
The Withereds have parts that the Toys can use, and the FazEnt Employees are going to cut corners by doing as such, it seems :V
>Lefty
I kind of disagree with this. It seems clear the Puppet is NOT possessing Lefty (as, while they're contained, they're not one connected body really), and we've even seen a more extreme version of this scenario with William. He CANNOT override the Suit's programming, no matter how hard he tries. Same for the MCI kids either (they cannot enter the saferoom. And William cannot leave the saferoom, OR resist the children's calls due to Spring Bonnie's programming).
I'd hazard a guess Lefty is POSSIBLY just an AI? Considering the Hazard Risk, likely one cobbled together solely to capture/shock the Puppet and little more :V
(of note, said Shocks/Controlled Shocks would be another instance of the "Heat Coma" that Remnant experiences, being unable to act/falling asleep when applies to them.)
Thanks for the comment but I do have to address some things.
- I don't think the concept of splitting souls (at least like we see with the Funtimes) was a thing on Scott's mind at this time because he was more spontaneous at this time in the franchise. So yeah the ideas of remnant were there early one, the full concept of how it worked I don't think was fleshed out in his mind at the time of fnaf 2.
- Golden Freddy does have at least part of his endo in the suit, the suit is just in suit mode as it's a springlock and no one has reason to turn on the performer mode for a character that will not be used. Spirits can haunt things other than metal of course. I'm just saying that metals are the best and perfect conductors for the emotional energies of the sprits.
- At the time of FNAF 3, it was going to be the last game so I think the spirits were there in FNAF 3 however, as the series progressed it's possible that they aren't even there due to Sister Location and MoltenMCI. If anything, NOW the agony attached to the suits is what is in the building, of which Afton can control to create the Phantoms. Regardless of the modern lore, it's possible the spirits here at the time were just the spirits and such as the plot of SL wasn't planned then.
- I addressed the Fetch thing in the video. Andrew possessed the battery pack of Fetch, not the WHOLE animatronic. In Andrew's case the vessel was just added to the endo. Jake on the other hand is more or a problem which given his first time in the endo, I think he became more conscious with in it. It is a bit of a problem with the theory yes, but there are other reasons as to why the MCI would not haunted the toys as presented in the video.
- Yeah that's fair. The heating and injecting of the molten metal would be the most efficient way of adding them however, given some of the details and descriptions from TFC, I think there are more reasons as to why he did what he did. Melting them would warp their memories and perceptions allowing William to trick them into moving in the Funtimes which is also seen as he doesn't need the yellow rabbit any more. They still need to be willing to part way with a part of themselves. Which is why I don't think adding spare parts alone would work.
- The Ella doll is a little different. 1) It isn't a soul like the MCI are so ig that makes a difference and 2) it is essentially the vessel which contains a part of Henry and who Charlie is in novels.
- It doesn't put them to sleep, they are awake throughout the process as they can feel pain and are scared of the fire.
- The point here is that they trust the yellow rabbit so if anyone is going to do it its going to only be William. They are only willing to part ways with a part of themselves, if they want to and trust the person doing so. At the time of fnaf 2 the spring locks are decommissioned (and maybe Spring Bonnie is locked in the MCI location one too) and as such I don't think anyone apart from William and Phone Guy working there would know how to use them. Also, why would a technician use a spring lock suit to work on the Withereds and toys?
- No Lefty is not possessed by The Puppet but The Puppet can control Lefty to an extent given they attack Mike and tell us to "shhhh". However, yes you are right the animatronics programing takes precedence of the animatronic if the animatronic enacts on it program but in William's case, he can control the suit. But when he hears a child, the suit goes to it despite what he wants.
Anyway, that's it. Thank you for watching and commenting.
This is so convoluted
What are you confused about?
@Sethxiety just fnaf in general. Every time I click a video like this (not just yours) I realized I just wasted my time because Scott will never confirm anything. Fnaf is a waste of time. Shows the power of your thumbnails and video titles. It's not your fault and thanks for the comment. I gotta make a change and never watch fnaf videos even for fanmade games because the lore is never fulfilling. Idk if you know any exceptions. There are few
@ I completely understand that and yes, it can be frustrating to not get confirmed answers. As I consume all of the media and ponder about it, it's somewhat simple for me to understand the series (not a dig at you for that btw). I will add that if you try to follow fnaf as a story rather than a puzzle, it is easier to understand imo. But yes, I understand how you feel.
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Huh? People think that MCI haunt toys?
There’s a good amount of people that believe the toys can’t be possessed because it doesn’t make sense narratively
@breadclip9911 bruh, of course they are haunted. But MCI haunt withereds, Toys are haunted by yet another five
@@file_boi020 I agree. But I see a lot of people say that if the toys are possessed by a separate group of victims from the MCI then there would have to be some way that those souls are freed like how the MCI kids got freed in happiest day / pizza sim / whatever. A surprising amount of people genuinely feel this way. I think they don’t realize how often people die in the story and get no satisfactory ending. Best example is phone guy in FNAF 1. Man dies and it literally never matters to the story ever
If the DCI moved on it was either when they were scrapped or in the fnaf 3 fire as their shells are in the building (and it was meant to be the last game)
Well this *definitely* isn't familiar
What do you mean?
Oh it's about the discussion we had haha
@@Sethxiety exactly lol
Ralph?
Yep. A Phone Guy book was released August titled The Week Before.
@@Sethxiety WOW!
One theory that i don't agree is shadow bonnie being created from the bite
Since on the epilogues its pretty obvious to eleanor be shadow bonnie
And eleanor is born after the missing children's incident from 1985
When was it stated that Eleanor is Shadow Bonnie? I don't believe she's either of the shadows, but if she were one she would be Shadow Freddy, since he's the more evil one out of the two of them.
@JaydenBakare literally hide and seek and the epilogues confirms that she is shadow bonnie
I personally believe the shadows were created from when crying child died since they matched up with his experiences
Shadow Bonnie = the shadow that scares him
Shadow puppet= when he dies and fades away
Shadow bb= when he’s trapped in that storage room (might be reaching)
Shadow Freddy = when Fredbear takes the big bite
@KirbyFan-h9y no since they are created from afton's wickness
@@KirbyFan-h9y maybe but (i think )CC doesn't have enough agony to make that many, could be other victims like charlie.
I thought they were AI stuff
There are many signs the Toys are possessed such as the black eyes with white pupils that the classics in fnaf 1 and Withered Freddy has indicating possession.
They also act similar to how the withereds act and we know for certain they are possessed.
Why does no one get it? The toy animatronics aren't haunted at all. They never were. There weren't multiple sets of murders. Scott put bodies in the minigames to show that purple guy killed kids and stuffed them into the suits. The reason the toy animatronics suddenly become aggressive toward the stuff and adults is because William Afton intentionally tampered with the facial recognition systems, just like phone guy said. The tampering caused them to become dangerous and unstable, setting up the bite of '87 for mangle. After the bite, the place closed down and the toys were scrapped. The withereds were refurbished into their fnaf 1 forms and relocated to the new pizzeria after its construction was finished.
"Someone used one of the suits. We had a spare in the back, a yellow one. Someone used it…now none of them are acting right."
I think it is very valid to think that William killed this new set of victims with one of the two main springlock suits. If it is meant to represent the MCI kids, then why would Phone Guy assume that the Toy Animatronics are actually acting that way because someone used the suit? They didn't exist in 1985, so it has to be in 87. And with this in mind, the Save Them minigame seems a lot more like a new set of murders than an representation of the first one
Besides, Foxy Go Go Go! Already exists to represent the MCI, why would we need two representations of the same event? (In different places as well, Save Them even has the Toy Animatronics on stage. As for Foxy Go Go Go, it has the Pirate Cove, which should tell us that this isn't the Fnaf 2 location)
Malfunctioning ai doesn’t let a massive animatronic hang from a ceiling.
@@firstnameislastname9568 yes it does
In FNaF AR an email details how they could not replicate Mangle climbing on the ceiling. This is because Mangle in AR was not possessed. That would mean Mangle in FNaF 2 is.
@@Sethxiety ok I didn’t know that, but it is a good point. Either I’m completely wrong(likely), or Mangle was possessed by Susie’s dog and the others weren’t possessed at all(which is another common theory). Scott made FNAF 2 a few months after he made FNAF 1, so he didn’t have anything past that on his mind at that point. I think he made the minigames figurative and symbolic rather than literal. I think he just wanted to show that the withered animatronics were possessed(the dead kids were slumped the same way the withered were slumped) and he tried to show the MCI in several different ways. Mangle probably wasn’t supposed to be possessed originally, but later Scott came up with the Susie and her dog story and went with that.
Its not a F soul 6;14 ITS MEMORIES.CRY CHILD BROKEN BEAK CHIKA TOY, KIDS ARE ALLL MEMORIES.
Souls essentially are massive collections of memories.
@@Sethxiety Ehhhh, not too sure about that
If paranormal stuff in fnaf is essentially the stone tape theory then to an extent it's true.
@@Sethxiety Souls are essentially their own thing through a context; they're not necessarily made up of memories. I think a good example would be TSE, where the children have obviously forgot that Spring Bonnie were their killer, but they still seem to be doing swell as a soul, not really split apart or anything
Yo
I have a pretty random question. Have you monetized your channel yet?
Yeah I have
@Sethxiety Wow, how long ago did you monetize it?
A while ago
@Sethxiety What did you do to get to the point of being able to monetize your RUclips channel?
@TyianGamingGuy1926 just reached the threshold for views and watch time and I was able to apply for monetization
I was the 87th like
The DCI do not possess anything. Why haven’t they been brought up again since FNAF 2 if they were such an integral part of the story? Because they didn’t end up possessing anything, the Toys don’t have souls in them, but the parts used from the Withereds infused with remnant and agony from the MCI victims are what cause them to go haywire.
"Springlock suit from sl was never brought up again
So its not canon"
The toy animatronics are possessed by the same MCI victims since they're being repaired with parts from the withereds this much has been explicitly confirmed regardless of whatever book nonsense you cite, the books aren't even canon. There is no second incident, that's why we only ever see five gravestones (and the puppet). Henry tries to end everything by burning all of the animatronics, including Molten Freddy who Henry explicitly states houses all of the MCI victims, and yet an extra five children are never once mentioned in this game or in any other game. We never see them, they never get set free in any of the games, they're never once spoken about, not even a hint to there being an extra five kids. It's the same five kids being tormented over and over in different forms. That's why the same five dead kids pushing William to become Springtrap and live on through an animatronic body like he made them was fitting, the same five kids that have been victimized over and over were able to victimize their killer, it wouldn't be nearly as fitting if he had an extra five victims that just existed off-screen somewhere and had no part in his demise and were just never brought up. Fnaf 2 takes place during the incident, or like sometime afterward since they would've all had to have been possessed (the puppet gave them life btw, not William like you kept claiming), the rumors revolved around incidents like the death of Charlie (idr if that's her name in the games or just the books, Henry's daughter, the puppet). There is no reason to think that there was a second set of murders, and even if there was initially supposed to be, it's been retconned at this point
Side note, did we ever find out wtf is up with Balloon Boy? I was going to say that him being aggressive proves that the toys are haunted by the MCI victims but he doesn’t really attack you or anything, he just takes your batteries. What could possibly lead him to walk up and take your batteries, wtf is his deal
Have you not watched the video? The books debunk ToysMCI.
You are free to disagree, that's fine. However I will say that Scott has said that we can "look to the novels to fill in some of blanks to the past!"
@SharolaidArchived Have you not read my comment? The books aren't canon and that was the explicit intention regardless of whether or not a noncanon source contains a piece of information that potentially contradicts it. I said this in literally the first sentence of my comment
@Sethxiety That's not him saying that he's hidden secrets for people to use to prove that there's just randomly an extra five kids, that's him being a bad storyteller and making things overcomplicated and vague so he can watch people try to piece everything together for him lmao. Regardless of what the books say, it's only ever implied in the games as far as I know that there was one MCI for the reasons I stated in my comment, there are no extra five kids ever mentioned or shown or alluded to or anything, to assume there must have been extra kids because a noncanon source says something about heating metal is, and I genuinely don't mean to be disrespectful when I say this, a bit a dumb
@@crypt5129 The books and games are entirely different universes.
The toys and dci are not in the books so there’s only one mci.
However in the games, there’s 2 incidents (MCI and DCI)
The dci kids are not important to the main story becauss the Toys were scrapped and scrapping means fire which the remnant of the DCI has been burned. The DCI has been set free.
The toys have to be possessed by a new set of kids there is literally a mini game that shows those bodies and Scott’s mindset was at the time was dead kids = ghost haunts if it isn’t then that’s a retcon like it or not and there’s only one that happened or whatever Scott assumption of a retcon is
>and Scott’s mindset was at the time was dead kids = ghost haunts
Any evidence for this? It seems more likely he'd already had a fairly solid idea of Remnant as far back as FNAF 1. Considering stuff such as Autobiography of a Yogi is being quoted, which featured quite a *lot* of potential Remnant related material.
>if it isn’t then that’s a retcon like it or not
...no it isnt?
Dead bodies need something to attach to, to begin with.
These bodies are not inside or near enough animatronics, unlike nearly all cases of possession.
The Classics worked because they were brutally shoved inside the Animatronics, died in there, and rotted in there. There was PLENTY of close contact/opportunity to possess them.
Simply not KNOWING every detail of a mechanic that only the Writer knows at the moment doesnt mean it's a Retcon, when it acts differently from your own personal Assumption.
A Retcon is directly contradicting established/provided lore.
eg, if something states that "The MCI occurred on August 10th", which would directly contradict/retcon the "June 26th" date provided in FNAF 1.
Alright, then what are their names?
@@Forgottensnapdragon Bold to assume they'd have names when even major characters *STILL* dont :V
...hell, Phone Guy literally only JUST got one this year after a full *decade* (And CC, the main focus of an entire entry and most definitely one of William's Children, STILL doesnt have a confirmed name as of today).
@higueraft571 I'm calling him Dave
@@Forgottensnapdragon Yeah, but that's not a confirmed official name yet :V