Inverted Tuning Will Make You Rethink Guitar
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Today's video is a special one, we hung out with @RJRonquillo and dove headfirst into the wild world of inverted tuning. We also got the opportunity to talk with the amazing @Ella_Rae_Feingold who is a killer player, composer, and absolute expert on inverted tuning.
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Rhett ! Thank you so much for your musical generosity towards my playing & Inverted Tuning. I'm so humbled & grateful. With Love Ella Feingold
its cool to see that one of my fav soundtracks (destiny) of all time coincides with awesome trans rep in the industry. Not to mention how neat and innovative her style is. Just goes to show all those gatekeepers need to stfu because guitar and music is for everyone.
@@seagullbread6205 best comment ever lol~ Thanks. Glad you like my work on Destiny & my playing..it means a lot to me. Trans is beautiful
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Thank you for your contributions to the Silk Sonic record, awesome to see ya here
@@josemariareyes3448 aww thanks 🙏 I’m so glad you dig the record
Your sound is quite intriguing. My sister plays acoustic guitars, and she likes the action quite high as well. My right hand lets me know immediately that I’m not up to the task of her Larivee’s. She plays her own form of finger style, and says she just likes the heavier feel.
Two possible outcomes to this video:
- In a JHS-like phenomenon, the community goes wild, buying up all the lefty guitars, driving their price through the roof.
- Manufacturers tune in and decide to now offer all of their models, in all colours, left-handed (for right-handed guitarists, of course).
Both seem like a win for us lefties. 😆
Prices skyrocketing do not sound favourable for me as a lefty because the prices are already higher for lefties
I’ve often come across rather tasty left-handed guitars, priced to sell because it’s a smaller store, and they want to move it along. Being right handed, this is a bit frustrating, but now I see a new possibility.
Hi! Inverted tuning can be played on any guitar. It doesn’t have to be a righty player using a lefty guitar. I only chose to do that in the very beginning as proof of concept to make sure it would work & the nut was already cut
Hi @Ella_Rae_Feingold. You're absolutely right, of course, and I don't mean to cause any actual confusion there. Us lefties are also somewhat used to flipping nuts/bridges around to make righty guitars usable for leftenfolk. 😄 My comment is mostly just for silly giggles..., as is most everything that comes out of my mouth! Thanks for your contribution to guitar music! ❤🙏
I guess if stores have a certainty that they can move lefty stock, manufacturers will have more confidence to make more leftys for sale
This is just how us lefties see the world when we're at Guitar Center and the last left handed guitar has been sold. The amount of times I've wanted to play through an amp but there were no lefty guitars available, so I had to flip a righty, means that now I can solo and play rhythm on just about any right handed guitar. It's really fun, and you come up with a lot more interesting phrases when your pentatonic jamming is suddenly a little different.
All of my friends want to play the "inverted" tuning when I bring one of my lefty guitars to a jam, and it's so much fun to swap guitars and play circles around guitarists who are far better than I am.
Dude yeah.
I'm a lefty and my parents bought me my first guitar (which was a righty) not knowing lefty guitars existed. massive blessing in disguise lol
Same here man us lefties did get more options over the last years I remember 20 years ago how hard it was to find 1
Got about 7 guitars....all rightys. I've been a lefty since '86. Never owned a lefty guitar. Ever. All these guys "invented" Inverted tuning. It's just a guitar upside-down.
@@n34z3r Well it's still different than just a flipped guitar. On a flipped guitar the B string is still after the high E, but in inverted tuning it's tuned to an A, and the lower A string is tuned to a B. Also on a flipped guitar the G and D strings would be flipped, while in inverted tuning they're not. So this allows you to play all the same shapes you can play on a normal guitar, but now the octaves of the notes you're playing have been inverted. On a regular flipped guitar, I can't just play the same non flipped chord shapes, they're now mirrored.
The high action move to modulate is so cool and smart. This kind of experimenting is so inspirational.
thank you
This is one of the most original posts I’ve seen in a long time. RJ and Ella, thank you …. And Rhett for amplifying good stuff.
Thanks for the kind comment and thank you to Rhett and R.J. for giving my tuning visibility
Who would have thought that you can change the playing field by just doing things the other way around. Simple yet creative way to make playing more interesting. Cheers for the experience man.
Rhet, this made me rethink guitar strings entirely after trying this I came up with my own variation of 'upside down' that uses all wound strings.
E. 42
A. 32
D. 24
G. 42 tune to 3rd fret of low E
B. 32 tune to 2nd fret of low A
E. 24 tune to 2nd fret of low D
If you try this, it will amaze you.
This delivers thick bassy chords with notes very close together (like block chords on a piano). It also gives you incredible palm mute chugging anywhere on the neck and because you've removed all those thin and weak strings for solos you can do crazy double stop bends with more sustain than ever and they sound massive but without the howling and harsh screeches. Plus... If you throw an octave up pedal on, you can get a whole new thicker sounding solo at those higher registers.
You could definitely apply the same thought process and tune down to D or drop D. Or other variations. I imagine im not the first person to try this, but I have never seen anyone do it before anywhere!
If I had to name the concept I would probably just say - it's 'All wound' stringing, because tuning the same just sliding octaves down.
Hope you try it sometime! And huge thanks for kicking off this idea! 👋😃
I put some vids on my channel if you want to see how it sounds.
Jeffery Lockheart is one of my professors at Berklee. Like him I am a left handed guitar player, only I play normal left handed guitars! Learning funk tunes from him was a trip. I found myself trying to watch his fingers, yet that didn't help because, like Ella said, he plays upside down. A solid workout for my ear! Jeffery's feel and pocket is unmatched in my opinion. He's a wonderful player and a wonderful person. Ella is awesome.
This is one of the most interesting guitar things I’ve seen in a long time. Thanks Rhett!
I love what she said about the high action, I love that sort of percussive strumming, J mascis also has a very high action on his guitars and also has a very percussive style. I think they are on to something! Great video Rhett
thanks! it's so very true
Ella seems like such a thoughtful player, loved this video
❤🙏
To those of you commenting that this is just taking a left-handed guitar and flipping it over, it isn't. You're clearly doing 'RUclips and chill' rather than 'RUclips and listen'.
Really interesting video, thanks to Rhett and RJ but mainly thanks to Ella, definitely makes you think about the music and how to make a guitar serve it, rather than the other way around.
thank you so much!
Now I need to know what a standard tuned guitar and an inverted guitar panned left and right and playing the same fingerings would sound like: the fullest chords ever, or compete mush. 😄
The world needs more RJ! Waiting for an album RJ! Great content, Rhett!
I’m a lefty and play lefty. The Doyle Bramhall, Albert King ( righty flipped over ) style lends itself to bigger pulls on bends. But I have never seen inverted tuning. Crazy.
4:16 was such a Paul Davids move ;)
Not enough life time to check out all amazing stuff these days!!! What a time to be alive
It's not actually tuning it upside-down, it's stringing it upside-down, for different voicing.. Kinda reminds me of Nashville tuning! Love that, for multiple gtr tracks, especially with acoustic gtr parts.
Yo this is actually pretty cool! Something so simple yet I would have never even considered it on my own
Wish I had heard about this in 1964 when I bought my first Strat........ I'm a lefty and my Uncle fashioned a lefty brass nut for the right-handed guitar ....... and I was doing Jimi before I'd ever heard of him
really cool idea and sounds. Looks like I'll be buying a new guitar for this.
Thank you Rhett. I'm a proud lefty reversed strings standard tuning player like Eric Gales ,Seal and many more. It's not that easy for band mates to look at me playing though. Just ask them to listen instead of looking at my right hand.
Sonny T, who plays with Corey Wong, plays a right handed bass left handed upside down, no change in tuning. He also plays a decent guitar doing the same thing. In his case, he said it was because nobody had lefty instruments, so he just learned it that way. Maybe he’s just joking, but it makes for an interesting sound.
when I first started learning bass, I really felt like inverted tuning made much more sense. I was thinking and feeling what I wanted to play and trying to invert to standard. By the time I was able to replace a nut or get another bass, I felt like id already rewired my thinking.
I kind of wish I had just bitten the bullet and inverted from the beginning, though fortunately I dont think im necessarily disadvanted or otherwise missing out on any personal potential by not having done so; I think it likely just took me a little longer and little more practice to develop my (continually evolving) understanding of/feel for the fretboard
Do another video with Ella she’s awesome
I'm left handed, and This is how I play guitar. I just straight up use right handed guitars in regular voicing but left handed. and I can solo basically whatever like normal for the most part.
Look up "Gambale Tuning" - similar idea, but the middle strings are changed. Same amazing sounding voicings.
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Thanks for showcasing this Rhett. It's really fascinating! I'll definitely have to try it.
I used to jam with a lefty guitarist. He could play righty turned upside down too...playing his guitar gave me the idea on one of mine to switch the D and G strings, keep the rest where they were but tune the A up to B and the B down to A.
This kept most of the strings in descending diameters, but forced me to play upside down chords.
Not quite the same I realize, but it just brought me back to being a drummer trying to write music with some fun people.
this is an invaluable piece of guitar material! thank you for your generosity rhett!
I explored this maybe twenty years ago. Nice to see this being shared and discussed.
Ella Feingold! Dope.
Thank You!!
Ella is so cool!!
Thank you ❤
This is so intriguing. Since I have both left and right handed guitars. I’m going to watch this video again and download the pdf. I am so incredibly intrigued by this tuning. Thanks, Rhett, Ella, and RJ
fascinating, that and the Nashville tuning....
As a lefty player, I'm very intrigued to do this on a right handed guitar.
Wow that was fascinating ! Thanks guys. I am sure there’s already some really cool stuff done this way buy Ella, but seems we are set for some off the limits new pieces, will definitely check out Ella’s pages (not withstanding I won’t be attempting inverted lol, I have enough trouble with normal !!!) But wicked post thanks I love the inversion change.
thanks Chris
My granda has always played like this, he's the one who got me into guitar
I was always mystified by Eric Giles when I saw him play but now because of this video I am 95% sure he is using this inverted tuning but as though he has for so many years that it's totally natural. Friggin amazing. It's so nuts because if you just play scales up and down it sounds like you're string skipping but then you can also just use it to make such awesome inverted voicings for chords (as mentioned here) really really cool, everyone should try it at least once.
Another great reason to own lots of guitars!
Eric Gales rhythm playing blows me away with the voicing he gets. Granted his guitar is tuned regular and flipped over but the piano style chords he achieves with it is unreal. Thanks for this video
now grab a 12 string guitar and make the 1st set of strings standard tuning and the 2nd set to upside down ;)
I WAS THINKING OF THIS TUNING A FEW WEEKS AGO HOLY SHIT IT SOUNDS SO GOOD
Reminds me of early Joni Mitchell unique tuning, that she can't remember ! Gotta try this.
I feel like this would be a really useful tool for something as simple as just doing overdubs. Similar to how you would overdub a guitar track in Nashville tuning to get a 12 string effect, you’d get unique version of that with this.
This would be great when you’re recording rhythm guitar and you have two separate guitars playing the same thing sort of like when you have a Nashville tuning with a standard tuning. It would give you a fuller rhythm track. What do you think?
Hi Mike! I do that a lot but some of the chords overlap with Standard Tuning. It's still an awesome sound.
I'm definitely going to give this a try. I don't think I'd use a hardtail strat if you're playing upside down. Get a whammy-equipped one and the whammy bar will keep your forearm from hitting the knobs and the pickup switch.
Rhett's videos are most interesting guitar related contents on all of RUclips, at least for me, at the moment.
Wow that's so freaking cool, never would've thought about this myself!
I bought a left handed strat many years ago with the idea I'd learn left hand. I did, but I don't keep up on it. However. I decided to tune it upside down in standard tuning (didn't have a name for it) to record a second track under a normal guitar. It turned out pretty cool. I do some higher gain stuff but using the inverted guitar a little lower in the mix will way less gain really thickened things up in the final recording.
Here’s to hoping Destin sees this video and hears the shoutout ! Awesome video Rhett, as always!
Left handed have been doing this foverer. Edgar Scandurra from Brazil plays like this since the 80’s.
I play [E B G D A E] ...Low to high. It's not the same as flipping the guitar upside-down
Oh! That’s what happen when you listen to a video while doing other stuff. I was mistaken by the name inverted tuning. That’s cool! I’m happy i could notice it in the RJ’s video and just came to delete my silly comment. 😅 Thank you for showing this tuning! Cheers!
I’ll have to look around and see if I happen to have a spare guitar lying around here somewhere. I’d LOVE to try this out! 😃
Creative tunings and their applications, in my mind, hold perhaps the greatest untapped beauty and excitement for guitarists to be experienced. But so few go much further than perhaps dropped-D or such - and many not even that far. Because the colorings of interesting tunings take one easily to incredible places and they simply inspire one to play differently. Joni Mitchell was, LONG before most others, doing wonderful things through differing tunings. Whenever I try a new one, I don't like to watch videos of people using it beforehand, as I'd like to discover it for myself, organically.
I actually invented that tuning back in 2005 when I worked at Hoshino. Working on lefties.
I need to double all my parts with an inverted tuning now
Pretty cool tuning!! It would be awesome if you could talk about dead spots and how to solve that problem. Keep up the good work 💪🏼💪🏼
Super cool, Rhett. Also, an amazing thing happened in this video: Blake Mills was mentioned! He is one of my favourite guitarists/musicians on the planet, and, probably even more impressive as a producer. You should watch a bunch of his stuff on youtube and do a feature on him. Or interview him and get nerdy with him. He's a treasure-trove, especially when it comes to exploring what a guitar can do that is out of the ordinary for a guitar.
This is so fun to watch, at 6:14 I think all of us guitar players had the same reaction as RJ, I wanna try
Always amazed me how people still refer it as the Hendrix cord . If you have a cord named after you , you're an automatic bad ass.
Add this tuning to your arsenal along with Nashville tuning & of course CGDAEG for the most heavenly chords.
The righthanded are going crazy
So I just tried something that I think is also pretty cool. I don’t have a lefty guitar, or a guitar with an inverted nut, but I couldn’t wait to experiment with this concept. I ended up tuning my guitar E B D G A E and I’m getting similar voicings with it. The problem is you have to relearn how to play chords, because it is not standard tuning, but once you do, and you get past the awkwardness it gets pretty cool.
What I think I’m going to do when I get the chance is swap the D and G strings so I can actually tune it backwards (E B G D A E). I think it will make forming chords less awkward that way.
Weirdly I was thinking (while very high admittedly) just last night about the possibilities of flipping the guitar over and stringing it backwards and wondering what that would do, spooky that this vid then comes out to answer my ponderings
Gonna start pondering about finding a gold top Les Paul abandoned on the side of the road now
Wow! This is so cool! Love those voicings!
Dudeee i was in nashville that week! would of been nice to see ya
Just watched RJ and he sounded great. Love the sound, hope you guys stick with this. I bet it will catch on. Thanks
I'm a lefty lol I'm used to picking them backwards for years lol it's just confusing haha sounds good
oh my god what is aweso,e
It's bad enough we lefties cant find guitars and people tell us to learn to play as righties...now you're taking our tones!!
You, good Sir, have reached a part of my brain previosly undiscovered. It hurts to watch this, but it is a good hurt!!!
Reminds me a bit of Joe Beck’s alto guitar tuning
a friend of mine, Dave Colquhoun, who plays with Rick Wakeman, has been doing something similar to this for close to 10 years... i tried it on one of mine several years back. on a righty guitar.
It's really interesting and sounds very cool. Just wish it was more accessible. Reminds me of these rubber bridge guitars. Would love to have one but not likely to happen anytime soon.
Either way Ella seems to have a lot of creative ideas and great chord voicings.
I didn't know Ella but I did know some of her work (Silk Sonic basically). It's amazing to see how people might take the same starting idea (ie inverted tuning) and then go their own different routes! Her style, at least for what I can hear here, has nothing to do with Chris Weisman's, and yet it makes SO. MUCH. SENSE! This is terrific
thanks Juan! I admire Chris Weisman greatly and when he heard me play he said "Ella Inverted tuning was obviously invented for you though. It is definitely YOURS" that made me cry. Chris is the best
@@Ella_Rae_Feingold It's quite obvious he was right! Having a really personal, unique voice on the guitar seems almost impossible nowadays, with so much history behind us... and then there are people like you!
@@juanmaidana8185 thank you so much. For what it’s worth, I spent a lifetime trying to sound like other people and only recently..Once I started living my life honestly did I start actually playing like me.
Great idea but am confused enough in standard tuning lol good to see you with rj bet you had a killer jam together cheers for videos
I think I found my next obsession.
Being a lefty I realised pretty soon into learning that trying to play a righty guitar upside down leaves you with tone and volume knob imprints in your forearm.
"Invented" in 2008?!? I'm a lefty and have played at various times with this tuning since the 80's. Who knew I was so innovative.
Can the re-entry tuning D-G not happen in between? or you rely on the re-entry to remember the standard form chord shape from where it comes from..
Rhett Shull
Now take that tuning & drop it down by a Half Step. It's a little lower pitched.
Inverted tuning is awesome!
Benn Jordan (The Flashbulb) has been playing this way since he started I think he has a video on his channel talking about it!
If you can find the video, I’d love to see it 💕
My head exploded….I haven’t even mastered the right way, lol
Hopefully this makes right handed people buy left-handed guitars! And then we lefties can find more affordable guitars or even guitars that big names don't bother sell to lefties.
That is some wild stuff, Rhett, but I don't think I'm up to that this week. Great stuff, just the same!!
Mind blown, thank you all! I wonder if I can modify an acoustic bridge and nut for inverted tuning? I feel my inner twoodford wanting to try it on a headstock break I have stashed away...😊
Fascinating. But please don't refer to this as 'inverted tuning', as that will only lead to confusion.
'Inverted tuning' is - logically enough - EBGDAE, which has been my go-to tuning for about 20 years. It was pioneered by left-handed players such as Dick Dale and Albert King, although I didn't find out about them until later.
This tuning seems to be an inverted combination of high-strung and 5ths tunings - may I suggest 'Inverted re-enterent fifths' as a concise label.
On a more general note, I think it's great that guitarists in general are so much more open to trying alternative tunings than when I started playing (in the 80s!)
That's a cool setup for some Fogerty style chooglin!
Great video. Can’t wait to try it
I can hear this tuning being fantastic for funk style playing and ska/reggae.
I primarily play funk with it and it’s great for rhythm guitar
Umm.. I hate to break it to you, but this has been around for as long as I can remember. This is not a new idea… Love what you do!
Hi Rhett, it is almost know how Babyface and Erick Gales, play, but they use a right handed guitar and flip as is, and play it left handed, high e on top, and low E down. Cheers.
This is golden, thanks
TOO COOL FOR SCHOOL BABY..!!! I’ll be flipping the nut on…. one of my guitars..!
I just don't know. I'm all for experimenting...
but....
1. It's too strange for me.
2. I'm still developing my style, and I'm just not ready to do this with my guitar. Note that, in my case, i only have ONE electric and ONE acoustic... The acoustic is what i mainly practice with.
I like to mix rhythm and lead, that is, i play both. So, if i can't play lead, I'm not interested in doing this.
I get that you can make "new voicings" and ethereal stuff...but it's not my bag.
Except for the two middle strings D, G, i don't see how it's any different from just getting a lefty guitar and playing it right-handed.
In fact, i used to know a guy who played with a band at a club i frequented (they were the house band), who was left handed but he had always just used a right handed guitar played upside down! But this guy played everything, especially lead! And, he was very, very good. They did a lot of covers for ALL the great rock hits, and they did them well. They also played some original stuff.
I honestly don't know how he did it. When i asked him, he'd shrug and say, "That's all i know. I've never done it and other way."
I can't imagine learning everything i know about guitar except upside down! When you think about the shapes we learn, the riffs... Everything... Except upside down and backwards? Uhhhg!
I suppose if you're looking for new ways to get ethereal sounds and so forth, it's worth sacrificing a guitar to set it up this way.
But it's not for me. I just want to play the music in my head, and to express myself musically. Not just make "interesting new sounds."
Now, sometimes, when I'm going to sleep, or maybe stoned or whatever, i can get into listening to the ethereal kind of stuff... But not playing it.
No, not my thing. Sorry. I know i sound like an old fuddy-duddy. Oh, well. ❤
Really cool concept guys.
funny enough, i am a lefty and southpaw/upside down is actually how i played guitar the first 2 years of playing until i finally got a left handed guitar proper. (never even thought of just stringing it up lefty on the righty guitars i had access to at the time because i was like...12 and it was the mid 90's so the internet wasn't big enough to let me know haha)
Albert King played entirely upside down. Even when he got a left handed guitar he still used inverted tuning. Not to mention he tuned to C#