Another disadvantage is that the least worn battery discharges first. After couple of weeks of a new laptop when the removable battery wears a little, T480 starts to use (discharge) the internal battery first , which kills the purpose of having a dual battery setup. There wasn't a problem like this in the older Thinkpads like T460 etc.
@@gnooy13mdfk What a disappointment, the same thing happens to me, I think that the truth is, in reality, it is worth going for something more modern like a t14 or something like that unfortunately
Disconnect internal battery if you don't need it or want to keep it in tact for some reason. Get a 72Wh battery if you need more battery life. Just use your laptop as usual and don't bother with the internal battery, just prevent the internal battery from charging above 80% and discharging below 20%. And if you need even more battery life, just get a second 72Wh battery to be able to easily switch over to a charged cell. That way you can also use your laptop as a powerbank, which is useful.
I run Linux on mine. With the 24Wh ext. battery and the internal battery, realistically I am looking at 8 to 9 hours time to exhaustion (if the batteries were 100% healthy) if I charge the machine to 100%. If I had a bigger battery I could expect even more time (+50% or +100%).
The prices I keep hearing are baffling. How can these things be that cheap over there. I wish I could find them at such prices over here. Maybe I should ask to be gifted one. 😔
Would you still recommend this? I am starting my compsci major so I need a laptop to take notes and code on. Have you used it with visual studio 2019? Even my workstation struggles with vs sometimes, so I'm just wondering if performance is acceptable. Great video btw, straight to the point and exactly what I was looking for.
Working programmer here. For the most part, I've been happy with the T480 I've been using for the last three years. I especially like its flexibility (ports and upgrades galore) and mobility (I travelled a lot pre-covid). I haven't used Visual Studio 2019, but I do occasionally use Intellij, which is also known to be a resource hog, and it performs adequately. Having 8 threads on a U-series processor was a really big deal when I bought it. I've occasionally run into some frustrating throttling issues, but that doesn't come up while coding in an IDE, or even running servers in VMs. (More of an issue when gaming, or screensharing while running heavy computation). I can't really say how it would compare to your workstation without knowing your specs, but even if I were to upgrade to the P15 Gen 2 I've been eyeing for home use, I can see myself using my T480 for coding for the next three years.
Hey man, it depends on the price. I really like the Thinkpad Sturdiness and the battery life to be fair, but lately I had to open it up and give it a little clean since it was throttling a bit. Right now if I had to pick a king for on the go productivity it would be the MacBook Air M1. For around 900$ it just can't be beat!
@@jordanwilliams1546 hey, I heard about t480 laptops having charging issues and the type c connecter being soldered into the motherboard. How is the connector, is it easy to break and can the other type c connecter be used to charge it?
Those processors were real powerhouses, the main benefit of this laptop is the battery life plus lower heat output. But in raw performance both laptops should be around the same :)
Hey Buddy , Great explanation, Just 1 doubt. I have a T480 non touch screen display model, Thinkpad. Is it possible to replace the screen with a touch-screen display and enable multi-touch gestures? PS: I couldn't find anything on the search engine.
did u doit ? i have mine with touch screen if u want i cant take pictures of the motherboard and u check if u have the ports to conect the touch screen one
I used TLP with Ubuntu on my X230 and it still had worse battery life than windows (about 1 hour less while getting 4 hours in windows). In this T480 I haven't installed a linux distro yet since I mostly use VM's
Hello Im in Civil engineering and my brother is a programmer and can get me from his company a t480 i7 32gb of RAM 1tb SSD for 350€, you think its worth it? I want to use it as an everyday laptop to take to some classes or to study outside of my house but also wondering if its snappy in daily use ( i have a capable desktop)
Same one I just paid over 500 usd for. i7-8650U quad core, 1TB SSD, 32GB DDR4, FHD Touchscreen, Fingerprint reader etc. Also came with Windows 11 Pro installed. Grade A refurbished, looks and feels new. Anyways, I'm very happy with it so far, seems like a nice machine for the price. I do know what that same amount of money gets you purchasing new, which is not much at all with laptops. I dont do gaming or anything like that, but I am curious to know how well it would do.
DO NOT BUY THESE! They are either new-old-stock battery shells with crap cells in them, or recased used cells. They dont last long, and the feet fall off.
Also I don't know about X230, but in T430 (which is basically the same) one of the BIOS updates introduced whitelists for battery packs. So only genuine Lenovo ones works (which are crazy expensive and I think they are old stock...)
Imagine it like this... if all you have ever used is a simple laptop screen it is decent. But as soon as you put it next to an Apple Laptop or good IPS Dell Monitor you notice all the difference in Colour
@@felipebutcher I haven't had this issue yet, but I did update the firmware via Lenovo vantage. Regarding the monitor, I really wish something with 400 nits was available for outdoor use.
@@InsideTheGeeks yes the monitor is like the old computers. but thinkpads are like this. i had many in my life since they were IBM. this time i replaced my motherboard and had the same issue again. i gave up and bought a dell now and it has a wonderful ips screen.
Yeah it is! Something like this www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-02HK705-Intel-AX200NGW-NGFF-Wireless/313115823331 for peace of mind (even though non Lenovo branded wifi cards might work as well)
Can you add a 1tb sata ssd while keeping the 256gb nvme ssd? I want to add extra storage to it but not sure if the 256gb nvme ssd is taking up the same slot
A normal sized m.2 SSD uses the same space as the sata SSD via an adapter bracket. You can, however, install a smaller 2242 form factor m.2 SSD in WWAN slot. The largest I could find was a the Lexar NM520, but it does heat up quickly, so don't plan on using it for extended heavy disk I/O.
Replacement keyboards for the T480 are quite cheap and easy to swap with a couple of screws underneath and then gently prise it out from the top. Swap a couple of connectors over and put the new keyboard in.
Imagine being Dakota... The truth is, the battery life I get on my T480 is a bit shorter on Linux than ITG got on Windows - 8 to 9 hours, less under load.
I've upgraded mine, and it wasn't too hard :) If you know what 100% srgb should look like, you'll notice the colors kinda suck, but I didn't complain when I first bought it. The max brightness isn't great for outdoor use, but it's otherwise adequate.
Another disadvantage is that the least worn battery discharges first. After couple of weeks of a new laptop when the removable battery wears a little, T480 starts to use (discharge) the internal battery first , which kills the purpose of having a dual battery setup. There wasn't a problem like this in the older Thinkpads like T460 etc.
no known solution for that?
@@gnooy13mdfk What a disappointment, the same thing happens to me, I think that the truth is, in reality, it is worth going for something more modern like a t14 or something like that unfortunately
Disconnect internal battery if you don't need it or want to keep it in tact for some reason. Get a 72Wh battery if you need more battery life. Just use your laptop as usual and don't bother with the internal battery, just prevent the internal battery from charging above 80% and discharging below 20%. And if you need even more battery life, just get a second 72Wh battery to be able to easily switch over to a charged cell. That way you can also use your laptop as a powerbank, which is useful.
I run Linux on mine. With the 24Wh ext. battery and the internal battery, realistically I am looking at 8 to 9 hours time to exhaustion (if the batteries were 100% healthy) if I charge the machine to 100%. If I had a bigger battery I could expect even more time (+50% or +100%).
The prices I keep hearing are baffling. How can these things be that cheap over there. I wish I could find them at such prices over here. Maybe I should ask to be gifted one. 😔
Would you still recommend this? I am starting my compsci major so I need a laptop to take notes and code on. Have you used it with visual studio 2019? Even my workstation struggles with vs sometimes, so I'm just wondering if performance is acceptable.
Great video btw, straight to the point and exactly what I was looking for.
I'm in the same situation as you looking for a laptop. Just commenting here in case he replies with his suggestions :)
Working programmer here. For the most part, I've been happy with the T480 I've been using for the last three years. I especially like its flexibility (ports and upgrades galore) and mobility (I travelled a lot pre-covid). I haven't used Visual Studio 2019, but I do occasionally use Intellij, which is also known to be a resource hog, and it performs adequately. Having 8 threads on a U-series processor was a really big deal when I bought it.
I've occasionally run into some frustrating throttling issues, but that doesn't come up while coding in an IDE, or even running servers in VMs. (More of an issue when gaming, or screensharing while running heavy computation). I can't really say how it would compare to your workstation without knowing your specs, but even if I were to upgrade to the P15 Gen 2 I've been eyeing for home use, I can see myself using my T480 for coding for the next three years.
Hey man, it depends on the price. I really like the Thinkpad Sturdiness and the battery life to be fair, but lately I had to open it up and give it a little clean since it was throttling a bit. Right now if I had to pick a king for on the go productivity it would be the MacBook Air M1. For around 900$ it just can't be beat!
This T480 is perfect for Computer Science program. I use it for my study
@@jordanwilliams1546 hey, I heard about t480 laptops having charging issues and the type c connecter being soldered into the motherboard. How is the connector, is it easy to break and can the other type c connecter be used to charge it?
I think the ThinkPad E14 and E15 gen 2 AMD are what you should buy at this point in history.
Nah.
Nah
XD
Nah
@@IsThisHandleFree 2 years late on that opinion
Exact same cinebench R20 score as I got with my i7-4702MQ T440p, not bad for an 6 year old laptop it's just a shame it's so bulky.
Those processors were real powerhouses, the main benefit of this laptop is the battery life plus lower heat output. But in raw performance both laptops should be around the same :)
Thanks for the review, Would you recommend this laptop or dell latitude 7480?
This laptop no doubts
Hey Buddy , Great explanation,
Just 1 doubt. I have a T480 non touch screen display model, Thinkpad.
Is it possible to replace the screen with a touch-screen display and enable multi-touch gestures?
PS: I couldn't
find anything on the search engine.
That's not possible.
Apparently you can, but you'd need to change the cable between the PC and the screen as well.
That said, why?
@@ellenorbjornsdottir1166Need a Detonator for a remote controlled Bomb😂
did u doit ? i have mine with touch screen if u want i cant take pictures of the motherboard and u check if u have the ports to conect the touch screen one
do you have i5 or i7? can use iGPU variant of T480 for video editing?
have you encountered any problems with the thunderbolt power port?
wat shud i get..a new t470 or a used yoga x1 or a used t480?..all fall under 310 usd
Windows has better battery management than Linux? Did you test the battery with linux? What distro?
I used TLP with Ubuntu on my X230 and it still had worse battery life than windows (about 1 hour less while getting 4 hours in windows).
In this T480 I haven't installed a linux distro yet since I mostly use VM's
Hello Im in Civil engineering and my brother is a programmer and can get me from his company a t480 i7 32gb of RAM 1tb SSD for 350€, you think its worth it? I want to use it as an everyday laptop to take to some classes or to study outside of my house but also wondering if its snappy in daily use ( i have a capable desktop)
Yes, and if you don't want it message me 😉
Sure yeah .. or let me get it
Same one I just paid over 500 usd for. i7-8650U quad core, 1TB SSD, 32GB DDR4, FHD Touchscreen, Fingerprint reader etc. Also came with Windows 11 Pro installed. Grade A refurbished, looks and feels new.
Anyways, I'm very happy with it so far, seems like a nice machine for the price.
I do know what that same amount of money gets you purchasing new, which is not much at all with laptops.
I dont do gaming or anything like that, but I am curious to know how well it would do.
hi there, thanks for making this video, do you use Throttlestop to boost clock speed
starts around 1:00
New 9 cell batteries for the x230 don't cost that much.
Do you have them? How long do they last?
DO NOT BUY THESE!
They are either new-old-stock battery shells with crap cells in them, or recased used cells. They dont last long, and the feet fall off.
Also I don't know about X230, but in T430 (which is basically the same) one of the BIOS updates introduced whitelists for battery packs. So only genuine Lenovo ones works (which are crazy expensive and I think they are old stock...)
Ha! I have both as well.
The screen is really bad? I lost interest when you mentioned it
Imagine it like this... if all you have ever used is a simple laptop screen it is decent. But as soon as you put it next to an Apple Laptop or good IPS Dell Monitor you notice all the difference in Colour
there is a version with better screen. mine has this more simple screen. i always use an external monitor when at home.
i am having a nightmare with usb-c problem. update your thubderbolt firmware to avoid problem
@@felipebutcher I haven't had this issue yet, but I did update the firmware via Lenovo vantage. Regarding the monitor, I really wish something with 400 nits was available for outdoor use.
@@InsideTheGeeks yes the monitor is like the old computers. but thinkpads are like this. i had many in my life since they were IBM. this time i replaced my motherboard and had the same issue again. i gave up and bought a dell now and it has a wonderful ips screen.
Nice!
Is it possible to upgrade the wifi card to wifi 6 (AX) in the T480?
Yeah it is! Something like this www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-02HK705-Intel-AX200NGW-NGFF-Wireless/313115823331 for peace of mind (even though non Lenovo branded wifi cards might work as well)
Can you add a 1tb sata ssd while keeping the 256gb nvme ssd? I want to add extra storage to it but not sure if the 256gb nvme ssd is taking up the same slot
A normal sized m.2 SSD uses the same space as the sata SSD via an adapter bracket.
You can, however, install a smaller 2242 form factor m.2 SSD in WWAN slot. The largest I could find was a the Lexar NM520, but it does heat up quickly, so don't plan on using it for extended heavy disk I/O.
If you put the 2.5inch drive bay in the you could do a sata drive
My one of t480 get heat bu another model of t480 doesnot heat more. what is reason?
Do they have both the same specifications?
Is it i7-8650u?
Open and clean it lol
Does the screen fold back like the yoga?
Hi all
Someone can help me
My T480 hotkeys F4 and F8 to F12 just stopped working well,
Replacement keyboards for the T480 are quite cheap and easy to swap with a couple of screws underneath and then gently prise it out from the top. Swap a couple of connectors over and put the new keyboard in.
Are you from Belgium?
Not really, if you check some of the earlier videos you might get some hints of my location.
>using windows which has better battery management than linux.....
LMFAO IMAGINE BEING SO WRONG.
My x230 with TLP disagrees with this comment :) Just personal usage
Imagine being Dakota...
The truth is, the battery life I get on my T480 is a bit shorter on Linux than ITG got on Windows - 8 to 9 hours, less under load.
How are you getting 9 hrs on this , i wanna buy it fr lol
Thinkpad P51 next pls
I could try to see if Lenovo is feeling helpful... cannot afford one of those currently
iirc, Lenovo sometimes sends out review laptops, one of my friends got sent a P70 for reviewing
Minta saran dong utk baterai thinkpad t480 gen 8 yg ori kuat dan tahan lama. Trmks
Is it possible to make bootable m.2 ssd installed into lte modem port?
Did you know that the more older thinkpads were manufactured by Acer
I think it was IBM, not acer
Some models from IBM but not thinkpads
can this be rotated 360 degrees into a tablet mode?
No
Those are ThinkPad X1 Yoga, 360° variant of the X1 carbon and tend to cost a bit more. They have a pen included with dedicated storage for it.
this computer is so difficult to use
Why?
can you buy this laptop for me
The screen is really bad? I lost interest when you mentioned it
yeah, you just need the thinkpad and docking, and 4k monitor 27 inch, mechanical keyboard and game mouse, you will be good
It's ok, but you get what you pay for
@@xpusostomos Get what you pay for? These are over $800 used
I've upgraded mine, and it wasn't too hard :)
If you know what 100% srgb should look like, you'll notice the colors kinda suck, but I didn't complain when I first bought it.
The max brightness isn't great for outdoor use, but it's otherwise adequate.
@@rubbertoe. interesting. I see used T480s on eBay for close to $200 😂