J4 in my games somehow managed to become like every other typical jungler - when they’re on enemy team, they’re giga smurfing on your team; when they’re on your team, they’re running it 0/6 by 20 mins… idk what changed
@@Anemodus that's like a universal league rule: the enemy yasuo/yone/j4 etc will always be a damn challenger-like player and your teammate will always be like a bronce player, even if you're at challenger
@@babyplum2837 Literally 0 dmg post midgame. Has a really nice spike with Ravenous/Eclipse but if you don't turbo gap enemy team building more dmg just falls flat really quick.
People used to gloss over him because 40-minute games used to be the norm, and J4 fell off hellahard. A 20/0 J4 would lose 90% of the time if he didn’t win the game by the 30-minute mark. The game has sped up a lot since then, so J4s actual weakness isn’t relevant anymore.
Riot has also made a good effort at making early game champs maintain some value late game in the last several years. Xin Zhao and Olaf used to be completely worthless past 20 minutes if they didn't have a massive lead.
The silly thing is, J4 is actually INSANE in the late game, people just don't adapt their playstyle to the game state properly. J4 early to mid game wants to fight you and beat you, J4 late game is basically an engage support, except you also shred 30% of the tanks armor on the way in. If you actually play him correctly late game, his damage might fall off, but his impact absolutely does not.
@@mountieman18Whilst I agree that they have made progress on said champions, as a Xin Zhao main, the game still usually feels doomed post 25 minutes unless you're ahead - if you go on Lolalytics, even the winrates by minute back this up. My guy needs something to keep him at least relevant late game.
I played it with Summon Aery and Shurelya’s, and by spamming E, Aery would jump to allies, shielding them, and then Shurelya’s passive would give AoE move speed to my team when shielding an ally. With enough CDR (not much was needed), I eventually gave 5 man +20% move speed and 30% attack speed. Ahh good times. And then they deleted the passive on Shurelya’s…
@aukarus8977 yeah it was great, used to work with the moonlight renewer also, giving shield to everyone, you could poke and give utility to your allies at the same time. Was so funny to play support with that and as always the only pissed off players was braindeath Vaynes
@@ezequielspelozzo2352 To be honest, braindead and angry vayne/dravens usually ended up being fed anyway because of just how much lane pressure you had. It was legit insane, I loved it so much.
The thing people seem to forget about J4 is that he turns into basically the best support an adc could wish for late game. 30% attack speed and 26% armor shred is kinda crazy for a late game adc + the engage and lockdown with the ult. He is basically an enchanter + engage support in one late game. And that is ignoring his damage, which, while it does fall off, isn't exactly irrelevant if he gets to a squishy.
i find it funny how a lot of junglers turn into the best suppors for the adc when its late game, like J4, Ivern, Sejuani, Lee sin and Nidalee, all of those have insane engage/peel/buffs for the adc like nidalee giving 70% atk speed and a huge heal, ivern being both an enchanter and frontliner with daisy, j4 doing what you said, sejuani not allowing anyone to get close, lee sin being able to engage or kick someone away from adc
@@desgracainferno it is quite something when i play nidalee and how strong you can make your adc or bruisers later on, in some games she can even tech ardent censer cus snowball hard enough you'll be overkilling squishies anyways it's quite oppressive but in nidalee's case i like it as a shift to her general style/approach to late fights - i think if her and lee didn't have these options they would have a lot of issues mid-late game onwards sej and ivern are quite thematic in terms of assisting their team with utility so that's chill j4 is just op, and e being an aura is crazy - he's also situationally a checkmate pick to comps that have no dash squishies just because of r button
that makes it sound like a crutch, that guy revolutionized the way people saw champs like j4 and elise, it was widely considered by most of the playerbase these champs "fall off" and so overaggression is super common bad habit their playerbases tend to form. agurin realistically plays 15~20 champs, but keeps around 5~ or so on active rotation depending on the meta.
One weakness is J4 synergys with champs with melee kits and no wall dashes. Melee champs without wall dashes when J4 Rs has cataclysm down cannot get to the target inside if the target moves to the opposite end, kindof like a mini mordekiaser r where it becomes a 1v1 and if the j4 is to weak he simply dies . Have had tons of experiences toplane where champs cant get their damage off to assist and it ends up helping the enemy top.
dude,that's the point of j4. to force ur escape so top laner n midlaner can easily catch u. it doesn't matter u escape the wall or not, have u check how high the numbers of dmg that ult gives? it's ridiculous
@@TheJpiscoolthat's a stretch, if you're peeling for someone it's way easier to utilize double q flag drags because they wont be tunnelling on you, and if you're landing those in a skirmish you basically cant lose. one of jarvan's favourite situations is counter-engaging also his slow is still good, his r can work as peel in a lot of situations if you are not autopiloting with it and use it at poor moments
One of my favorite champs for jungle. If you're ahead you build AD and one-shot people, if you're behind you build tank and be really annoying. Such a good pick.
Completely agree. His base stats are too high in conjecture with fighter items being too stupidly op. Eclipse, Sundered Sky, tabs, steraks, congratulations, more than half the bruiders and some of the ad assassin's core items.
He is also really safe since he can escape over walls. His utility is so good that being behind or sacrificing golg on him isn't that big of a deal either so you always have impact
Ive played on amateur teams and around the collegiate scene (not in it) and every jg coach I've ever met has j4 as one of their staple jungle picks to have a player learn. He's simply the quintessential jungler, provides everything the jungle needs, just a solid jungle pick always
kinda like the Demacian trope😂 Garen, J4, Fiora, Sylas, Xin Zhao, Poppy. They Outdamage you and your Team while Tanking everything your Team throws at them😂
@@yggreuyri5822bro youre 100% low elo, the other champs are broken and played in FUCKING WORLDS EVERY FUCKING YEAR BTW, you play high elo u see these dogshit fucking champs every FUCKING DAY BESIDES THE USELESS GAREN WTF ARE U ON ABOUT? the only time i see garen is if he is mega buffed once a year
J4 has been a strong pick ever since his release as of Season 1, this champion does everything you need. Passive = Current HP% Damage on first attack Q Ability = Armor Shred / Knockup+Dash W Ability = Slows and also shield (increases with more nearby champs) E Ability = passive Attack speed / Grants Vision + Attack speed (can also be used with teleport onto) R Ability = Point-n-Click Gapclose that traps the enemy in a circle. The reason why J4 is strong is with his entire kit with everything. If you have enough AH your Q ability can be used twice to Knockup which not many people utilize, his E grants vision which is good for a melee champion, his Ult is a guaranteed kill if your enemy does have not any escape or flash. You Ult enemy, if they flash away then you can get them two more times before they have it up again as it is very short cooldown.
@@krekk2751 wow, 1 single word of information here is wrong, what a disaster! lets just throw everything else out of the window along with it, since because of that 1 word, that entire essay suddenly turned into such a "waste of time"!
@@desgracainferno Am I wrong though? We clearly have actual Irons and silvers under this dumb vid talking absolute diabolical emotionally biased nonsense, not being able to recognize the HUGE difference between max health and current health, and having "opinions". These opinions are worth nothing, an absolute waste of time. To you(some iron pleb) it's just one word, to actual humans passionate about the game, it's everything.
@@krekk2751 i am a master 200+ LP off-meta pick OTP, not a "iron pleb" but ok, the way you speak just shows how great of a human being you are. i dont even need to speak about my own experience cuz i know you dont have enough sympathy to even care anyway, considering what you just wrote, that just sounds like that generic edgy rich teenager from any movie. anyways, yes. a single word is wrong, that guy probably just misread the passive, so you decide to go out of your own way to say shit like this? maybe go touch some grass first before interacting with other humans.. oh wait, you are not even interacting with humans.. but with a screen 🤷
Jarvan has a ridiculously strong kit if you think about it, it's very straightforward, so it goes under the radar compared to modern champs, but strong nonetheless. You have the most op cc in the game (being knockup) on virtually 0 cd post 3 items because ability haste is a balanced mechanic, Cataclysm provides you with incredible zone control and also is a great flash bait, and rn its still much worse than it was couple season ago bcs every second champ now has a dash, which wasnt the case back then. But realistically, you could take away his W and R and this champ is still just as goated. He has good clear, good 1v1, great ganks, and amazing teamfights. What more could you ask for from a jungler.
As a J4 main (plat/emerald OCE so not that cool but high champ knowledge), mostly agree with Azzapp - J4 has always been in a very solid state but there have always been some very horrible matchups that can actually be decent or winning at certain stages in the game depending on his buffs/nerfs e.g. passive % and Demacian Standard (E) cooldown. However, there needs to be quite a bit of finesse and game knowledge to ensure you can carry every game. I've always struggled to carry on bruiser items but found it a lot easier with lethality items since I can try to catch someone off guard or kill the carry/ies and hope team wins the ensuing fight. With recent nerfs to lethality (especially profane) it is harder to carry, but not impossible. Obviously this is all enemy composition dependent: 2-3 beefier/tanks with some mobility carries > bruiser OR 2-3 squishies and overall immobile team > lethality BUT not a hard and fast rule. As a jungle main, J4 is but a tool with solid impact from start to finish but in the end, experience, team communication and follow through is still key in any game state.
Yeah, I tried to get used to jungle recently; and then I found J4 after Azzapp talked him up when he first messed around with jungle this year. By god I have never had such an easy time in that role. I see the enemy jungle, and consistently, and repeatedly, beat their ass over and over. It's so stupidly strong. I keep having super low death games on it, getting away with grade A capital murder consistently. And that winrate is just chef's kiss, busted.
Why do I feel like toplaners and junglers have the biggest problem of "being great as supports/Adcs". Ornn's only benefit in top as opposed to support is the fact that he gets levels faster, so he can upgrade items sooner. K'sante has so much CC. Rammus is a great distraction support. Kindred ADC seems like a troll choice until you realize that invading earlygame jungle as kindred is a death sentence and you are better off switching between killing 2 botlaners rather than roaming with a low range adc.
Jarvin the 4th is the only champion in the game with an evenly balanced stat circle. Mobility defence attack tankiness... it's all level. It's also very lore accurate. As king of Demacia, he is still a Human Being who fights on the front lines. Even Xin Zhao didn't recognise him as king until after Jarvin 4th broke him out of prison on the eve of his execution.
J4 is a low ELO stomp champ with decent potential in high ELO. You can snowball hard with good play. Downside is he becomes giga useless if you fall behind and he generally isn't that strong late game. He's basically an easier Lee Sin.
He actually harder than Lee, Lee only require you to practice his combo + fast input, being good at J4 is all about precise and timing J4 ult give brief unstoppable that can be use to counter Lee Ult, etc ... and even his e q can be use to buffer some CCs with right timing, also the damage hitbox is smaller than it shown, the one shown is the knock-up hitbox.
Jarvan will always be a good champion because he has a well-balanced kit that can do everything. All of his abilities work so well together, and he doesn't have the 200 years treatment where one ability does 10 things. Like, for example, his Q is just a straight line skillshot that deals damage and shreds armor. It can interact with his E to pull him to it knocking up enemies along the way, but the base value isn't something like having a passive that marks enemies to take double on hit and extra damage and deals percent current health as well as an active that is a straight line skill shot that deals damage
where ability doesnt do several things, yet his Q does dmg AND shreds armor and also can combine with his E, sounds like a 200 yr champ to me. only old skarner was strightforward, a true non-200 years champ.
Bro J4 is one of those characters that nobody plays cause they think he's boring, but he's actually just busted beyond belief. Will literally just outduel other champs in his class, can be a tank, can be a tank buster. Can be an assassin, can be an enchanter and can do all of them to at least a viable level all while mantaining one of the best engage kits in the game
usually when people pick mages on mid, mostly ahri, hwei or viktor, I pick Jarvan on mid with shield bash... absolutely broken.. im 11/2 in 15mins while barely roaming
J4’s weakness doesn’t come from his lack of utility, but his playstyle and pattern. His e q is very easy to dodge making him dogshit in higher elo. Aside from his e q, all he has his shield and his ult, which don’t have much versatility, your options on j4 after missing e q are to shield and run (lose half ur hp or die) or commit with ult (which doesn’t secure a kill if the enemy has a dash or is a good fighter). And before u call me out, just know that im an Ekko mid otp and ive played maybe 5 j4 games in my 10+ years of playing league. Im only saying all this because every champ is op in their own right. Maximizing j4’s potential in a game doesn’t secure a win because there’s significant counterplay. In order to combat this, the champ is by design easy to pilot and has easily executable utility. Ekko is far more broken, since maximizing his potential in 99% of games will lead to a win. A good Ekko can play into anything, a good j4 can’t.
The only weakness to jarvan dash was actually old volibear. If jarvan tries to dash out old volibear can actually flip him back to him if he tried to escape.
I always felt like he's lee sin but simpler. He's just so simple you can focus on macro and he's got enough of everything, stats, damage, mobility, CC. Just a good champ that doesn't get popular. That's why he's not nerfed.
League is a game with a lot of variance. You ran hot on j4, it's only a 15 game sample size. With the othrr champs, same thing. You ran bad to average for a handful of gamws.
J4 has actually fallen off quite recently in play rate. It has to do with is ingage as a diver requiring 2 extra braincells since its a combo. Also items have not been kind of him. But in high elo he has so much pressure and so much engage that it doesn’t matter if his items are garbo or if his kit is slightly underwhelming, a multi target ingage/isolation ult and one of the longest ingages period means he will always be good in a pro/challanger level.
This monkey that's designing j4 gave him life 5000 base attack speed that's why. No champion deserves to be a stat checker while being so fkn high impact
One could say he's "always broken", but wouldnt you also say a champions kit who consistently survives most if not all adjustments to and around around them, a well designed champion? Alistar is always going to be a "broken" champion as well, if we're going by that metric. Everyone is always going to love, want, or need a gigantic wall of Damage resistance and hard CC.
Yeah, the main issue is that most champs don't have this kind of versatility, so you can draft against an assassin jungle and he'll be having a hard time, but you can't really against a j4, because he'll be to adapt to anything you throw at him, which makes him feel unfair. Ideally, you would want this kind of adaptability on every champ.
I vaguely remember his ULT didn't use to cause damage. I thought he was such a dumb champ because you can just flash out of his ULT, or if i was Vayne i could just condemn him into his own wall and finish him off.
Msst of my memories of League come from S4/5 so it's really funny to me that J4 is simultaneously way stronger (can be built to scale) and played much less often.
His weakness is his early game. He’s a horrible duelist, invade him early for free kills. Even if he gets a jump on dueling junglers he still loses. Though I agree, he has cc, utility, tankiness, armor shred and an ability that forces immobile carries to flash. But if he gets even a little bit behind he’s screwed
Saying early game is J4's weakness is an insane take. Yes, he might not be good in the 1v1, but he basically wins every 2v2 or 3v3 skirmish early. Unless you can guarantee a 1v1 and make sure that your lanes don't fall for any ganks he will go for afterwards, his early game is really good.
@ if he can counter gank or get the perfect e+q sure, if not he loses those too. He does less dmg than most junglers while being slightly tankier if not the same as them. His early ganks are good, but in anything even he loses to most junglers. It’s not an insane take, it’s so obvious that most junglers invading him is a given
J4 cant kill anything alone if he isnt really ahead. He is more like a team player. Engaging ganking making space helping to go for the back line. But he isnt a good 1v1er and definitely he isnt a 1v9er
Back in the day, j4 and Leona was a popular kill lane botside. Any strong cc support can turn j4 into a monster, and level 6 on j4 means no flash = free kill.
Adcs are beyond weak early, especially in low elo you can just lock a good engage support and any champion that has kill potential in lane is viable (especially rn)
I'm also really annoyed by how he can just ignore roots, he just doesn't give a fuck. No other movement ability let's you move when you're rooted, only J4 gets that
The champ just rewards good fundamentals and playing towards your win con. He has a lot of options and rewards you for picking the best one early as a high impact jgler. When you compare him with a champ like shyvana or wu that are very one dimensional and have to play for 6 then yes you are going to have a lower winrate. You cant impact as much early and some of your games are going to go to sht because of it. Doesn't mean the champ is broken or that wukong and shyvana are weak/balanced. Plus this is such a small amount of games that it doesn't really prove much. To top it all off you are smurfing as a challenger player who knows how to close out games (something jarvan generally struggles with) and you create this skewed view. I think j4 is good but certainly not broken.
Weakness of j4 is first clear, he lose alot of health clearing jungle, weaker first few levels. When you get invaded by let say a nidalee or a leesin who full health lv3, its kinda doomed
Whenever my noobie friends asked me who they should Jungle with, I say J4. And they would never listen. Get absolutly shit on with your damn Kayn then you pro gamer.
J4 is just annoying could be played by someone just spamming buttons with a general build and if he targets you you just die. Time and time again I've seen a j4 just solo 1v4 with no issue because he just doesn't die
Viewer is 100% right. Dudes gloating about how broken his champ is. As a challenger Smurfing in silver, then tries to defend it. Hilarious logic. To add to this. The other champs he tries to back up the logic, that he’s getting “shit” on he had higher than a 50% win rate with in far less games. Dude used Wukong as an example when he’s only played two games with him. And if you watch those games he’s straight SMURFING on the enemy team. This is probably the dumbest and largest cope Zap Zap short I’ve ever seen. And all the bronze viewers in the comments are eating it right up. 80% win rate on both Vi and WW in 10 games each. 90% on J4 in 16.. in silver/gold elo as a challenger
heimerdinger, zac, ivern, pantheon, taliyah, cho gath, anivia, neeko, fiddlesticks, brand.. all those champs can go 4 different lanes (taliyah, neeko and brand can even go all 5 lanes), and thats just the examples that come off my mind.
If i autofill jgl, have no clue what to play, i lock in j4 and win the game... i feel like i could climb so mutch further if i just enjoyed j4 and did it everygame.... but feels to ez so i onetrick azir insted :D
J4 is one of those champs like Elise where I rarely see him in low elo but he’s a headache to deal with every single time
Has so much damage
Nah @@babyplum2837
J4 in my games somehow managed to become like every other typical jungler - when they’re on enemy team, they’re giga smurfing on your team; when they’re on your team, they’re running it 0/6 by 20 mins… idk what changed
@@Anemodus that's like a universal league rule: the enemy yasuo/yone/j4 etc will always be a damn challenger-like player and your teammate will always be like a bronce player, even if you're at challenger
@@babyplum2837 Literally 0 dmg post midgame. Has a really nice spike with Ravenous/Eclipse but if you don't turbo gap enemy team building more dmg just falls flat really quick.
People used to gloss over him because 40-minute games used to be the norm, and J4 fell off hellahard. A 20/0 J4 would lose 90% of the time if he didn’t win the game by the 30-minute mark.
The game has sped up a lot since then, so J4s actual weakness isn’t relevant anymore.
Riot has also made a good effort at making early game champs maintain some value late game in the last several years. Xin Zhao and Olaf used to be completely worthless past 20 minutes if they didn't have a massive lead.
The silly thing is, J4 is actually INSANE in the late game, people just don't adapt their playstyle to the game state properly.
J4 early to mid game wants to fight you and beat you, J4 late game is basically an engage support, except you also shred 30% of the tanks armor on the way in.
If you actually play him correctly late game, his damage might fall off, but his impact absolutely does not.
@@thesilvanalyst6880His dmg, no, it's dogshit late. But the Ult is crazy late game
That's the thing is damage does not fall off, have you seen his q and r ad scaling xD@@thesilvanalyst6880
@@mountieman18Whilst I agree that they have made progress on said champions, as a Xin Zhao main, the game still usually feels doomed post 25 minutes unless you're ahead - if you go on Lolalytics, even the winrates by minute back this up. My guy needs something to keep him at least relevant late game.
I remember tryring j4 support at the aery meta just to check and realising he's like playing leona but less tank and funnier.
I played it with Summon Aery and Shurelya’s, and by spamming E, Aery would jump to allies, shielding them, and then Shurelya’s passive would give AoE move speed to my team when shielding an ally.
With enough CDR (not much was needed), I eventually gave 5 man +20% move speed and 30% attack speed.
Ahh good times. And then they deleted the passive on Shurelya’s…
@aukarus8977 yeah it was great, used to work with the moonlight renewer also, giving shield to everyone, you could poke and give utility to your allies at the same time. Was so funny to play support with that and as always the only pissed off players was braindeath Vaynes
@@ezequielspelozzo2352 To be honest, braindead and angry vayne/dravens usually ended up being fed anyway because of just how much lane pressure you had. It was legit insane, I loved it so much.
@@aukarus8977Nice, sounds fun
The thing people seem to forget about J4 is that he turns into basically the best support an adc could wish for late game.
30% attack speed and 26% armor shred is kinda crazy for a late game adc + the engage and lockdown with the ult. He is basically an enchanter + engage support in one late game.
And that is ignoring his damage, which, while it does fall off, isn't exactly irrelevant if he gets to a squishy.
i find it funny how a lot of junglers turn into the best suppors for the adc when its late game, like J4, Ivern, Sejuani, Lee sin and Nidalee, all of those have insane engage/peel/buffs for the adc like nidalee giving 70% atk speed and a huge heal, ivern being both an enchanter and frontliner with daisy, j4 doing what you said, sejuani not allowing anyone to get close, lee sin being able to engage or kick someone away from adc
his dmg doesnt even fall off that hard. its just that its single target and not aoe.
@@desgracainferno it is quite something when i play nidalee and how strong you can make your adc or bruisers later on, in some games she can even tech ardent censer cus snowball hard enough you'll be overkilling squishies anyways
it's quite oppressive but in nidalee's case i like it as a shift to her general style/approach to late fights - i think if her and lee didn't have these options they would have a lot of issues mid-late game onwards
sej and ivern are quite thematic in terms of assisting their team with utility so that's chill
j4 is just op, and e being an aura is crazy - he's also situationally a checkmate pick to comps that have no dash squishies just because of r button
I guess that's among the reasons j4 is agurin's iconic pick.
well, you gotta have a strong champ pool to reach rank 1 and 2, his elise is also crazy and that champ is strong af
@niklas9848 he was comparing J4 to other junglers….. oh but that would imply you were actually paying attention to anything happening
that makes it sound like a crutch, that guy revolutionized the way people saw champs like j4 and elise, it was widely considered by most of the playerbase these champs "fall off" and so overaggression is super common bad habit their playerbases tend to form.
agurin realistically plays 15~20 champs, but keeps around 5~ or so on active rotation depending on the meta.
One weakness is J4 synergys with champs with melee kits and no wall dashes. Melee champs without wall dashes when J4 Rs has cataclysm down cannot get to the target inside if the target moves to the opposite end, kindof like a mini mordekiaser r where it becomes a 1v1 and if the j4 is to weak he simply dies . Have had tons of experiences toplane where champs cant get their damage off to assist and it ends up helping the enemy top.
Good thing almost all of the meta melee champs have dashes then
skill issue
dude,that's the point of j4. to force ur escape so top laner n midlaner can easily catch u. it doesn't matter u escape the wall or not, have u check how high the numbers of dmg that ult gives? it's ridiculous
J4's biggest weakness imo is that his peel is fucking *terrible.*
@@TheJpiscoolthat's a stretch, if you're peeling for someone it's way easier to utilize double q flag drags because they wont be tunnelling on you, and if you're landing those in a skirmish you basically cant lose. one of jarvan's favourite situations is counter-engaging
also his slow is still good, his r can work as peel in a lot of situations if you are not autopiloting with it and use it at poor moments
One of my favorite champs for jungle. If you're ahead you build AD and one-shot people, if you're behind you build tank and be really annoying. Such a good pick.
Your comment makes no sense you should build more tanky when ahead because its more hard for the enemy team to kill you
Completely agree. His base stats are too high in conjecture with fighter items being too stupidly op. Eclipse, Sundered Sky, tabs, steraks, congratulations, more than half the bruiders and some of the ad assassin's core items.
He is also really safe since he can escape over walls. His utility is so good that being behind or sacrificing golg on him isn't that big of a deal either so you always have impact
Tbf he used to be power crept by everyone else for a long time because his W was barely even ability until they buffed it a few years ago.
One of my favorite enchanters! Summon Aery + E gives shield to a nearby ally, and triggers items.
Ive played on amateur teams and around the collegiate scene (not in it) and every jg coach I've ever met has j4 as one of their staple jungle picks to have a player learn. He's simply the quintessential jungler, provides everything the jungle needs, just a solid jungle pick always
kinda like the Demacian trope😂 Garen, J4, Fiora, Sylas, Xin Zhao, Poppy. They Outdamage you and your Team while Tanking everything your Team throws at them😂
Garen is the only exodia here while the others are pretty much balanced. What are you on about?
@@yggreuyri5822bro youre 100% low elo, the other champs are broken and played in FUCKING WORLDS EVERY FUCKING YEAR BTW, you play high elo u see these dogshit fucking champs every FUCKING DAY BESIDES THE USELESS GAREN WTF ARE U ON ABOUT? the only time i see garen is if he is mega buffed once a year
J4 has been a strong pick ever since his release as of Season 1, this champion does everything you need.
Passive = Current HP% Damage on first attack
Q Ability = Armor Shred / Knockup+Dash
W Ability = Slows and also shield (increases with more nearby champs)
E Ability = passive Attack speed / Grants Vision + Attack speed (can also be used with teleport onto)
R Ability = Point-n-Click Gapclose that traps the enemy in a circle.
The reason why J4 is strong is with his entire kit with everything. If you have enough AH your Q ability can be used twice to Knockup which not many people utilize, his E grants vision which is good for a melee champion, his Ult is a guaranteed kill if your enemy does have not any escape or flash. You Ult enemy, if they flash away then you can get them two more times before they have it up again as it is very short cooldown.
passive isn't max HP, it's CURRENT HP. Big difference.
Before writing essays, know what youre saying, very much waste of time instead.
@@krekk2751 wow, 1 single word of information here is wrong, what a disaster! lets just throw everything else out of the window along with it, since because of that 1 word, that entire essay suddenly turned into such a "waste of time"!
@@desgracainferno Am I wrong though? We clearly have actual Irons and silvers under this dumb vid talking absolute diabolical emotionally biased nonsense, not being able to recognize the HUGE difference between max health and current health, and having "opinions".
These opinions are worth nothing, an absolute waste of time.
To you(some iron pleb) it's just one word, to actual humans passionate about the game, it's everything.
@@krekk2751 i am a master 200+ LP off-meta pick OTP, not a "iron pleb" but ok, the way you speak just shows how great of a human being you are. i dont even need to speak about my own experience cuz i know you dont have enough sympathy to even care anyway, considering what you just wrote, that just sounds like that generic edgy rich teenager from any movie.
anyways, yes. a single word is wrong, that guy probably just misread the passive, so you decide to go out of your own way to say shit like this? maybe go touch some grass first before interacting with other humans.. oh wait, you are not even interacting with humans.. but with a screen 🤷
@desgracainferno nice lie buddy. no one is eating it.
Youre so emotional, so embarassing actually. touch grass.
Me and my duo has been rocking j4 samira botlane for years now, he really is absolutely great
Jarvan has a ridiculously strong kit if you think about it, it's very straightforward, so it goes under the radar compared to modern champs, but strong nonetheless. You have the most op cc in the game (being knockup) on virtually 0 cd post 3 items because ability haste is a balanced mechanic, Cataclysm provides you with incredible zone control and also is a great flash bait, and rn its still much worse than it was couple season ago bcs every second champ now has a dash, which wasnt the case back then. But realistically, you could take away his W and R and this champ is still just as goated. He has good clear, good 1v1, great ganks, and amazing teamfights. What more could you ask for from a jungler.
Hes gonna be so meta next seasom where winning early game has even more impact with the new boots and the new epic monster
As a J4 main (plat/emerald OCE so not that cool but high champ knowledge), mostly agree with Azzapp - J4 has always been in a very solid state but there have always been some very horrible matchups that can actually be decent or winning at certain stages in the game depending on his buffs/nerfs e.g. passive % and Demacian Standard (E) cooldown. However, there needs to be quite a bit of finesse and game knowledge to ensure you can carry every game. I've always struggled to carry on bruiser items but found it a lot easier with lethality items since I can try to catch someone off guard or kill the carry/ies and hope team wins the ensuing fight. With recent nerfs to lethality (especially profane) it is harder to carry, but not impossible. Obviously this is all enemy composition dependent: 2-3 beefier/tanks with some mobility carries > bruiser OR 2-3 squishies and overall immobile team > lethality BUT not a hard and fast rule.
As a jungle main, J4 is but a tool with solid impact from start to finish but in the end, experience, team communication and follow through is still key in any game state.
Yeah, I tried to get used to jungle recently; and then I found J4 after Azzapp talked him up when he first messed around with jungle this year. By god I have never had such an easy time in that role. I see the enemy jungle, and consistently, and repeatedly, beat their ass over and over. It's so stupidly strong. I keep having super low death games on it, getting away with grade A capital murder consistently. And that winrate is just chef's kiss, busted.
I swear this champ has always been strong, the thing balancing him is his ult being so easy to mess up
Based I’ve hated J4 since I started playing in season 6
Why do I feel like toplaners and junglers have the biggest problem of "being great as supports/Adcs". Ornn's only benefit in top as opposed to support is the fact that he gets levels faster, so he can upgrade items sooner. K'sante has so much CC. Rammus is a great distraction support. Kindred ADC seems like a troll choice until you realize that invading earlygame jungle as kindred is a death sentence and you are better off switching between killing 2 botlaners rather than roaming with a low range adc.
Jarvin the 4th is the only champion in the game with an evenly balanced stat circle. Mobility defence attack tankiness... it's all level. It's also very lore accurate. As king of Demacia, he is still a Human Being who fights on the front lines. Even Xin Zhao didn't recognise him as king until after Jarvin 4th broke him out of prison on the eve of his execution.
I think J4 is generally just more straight foward champ with lower skill ceiling.
J4s main weakness is that he can't solo carry. Unless he gets giga fed early, he's not carrying. He's very good at helping his team win though
J4 is a low ELO stomp champ with decent potential in high ELO. You can snowball hard with good play.
Downside is he becomes giga useless if you fall behind and he generally isn't that strong late game. He's basically an easier Lee Sin.
He actually harder than Lee, Lee only require you to practice his combo + fast input, being good at J4 is all about precise and timing J4 ult give brief unstoppable that can be use to counter Lee Ult, etc ... and even his e q can be use to buffer some CCs with right timing, also the damage hitbox is smaller than it shown, the one shown is the knock-up hitbox.
Jarvan will always be a good champion because he has a well-balanced kit that can do everything. All of his abilities work so well together, and he doesn't have the 200 years treatment where one ability does 10 things. Like, for example, his Q is just a straight line skillshot that deals damage and shreds armor. It can interact with his E to pull him to it knocking up enemies along the way, but the base value isn't something like having a passive that marks enemies to take double on hit and extra damage and deals percent current health as well as an active that is a straight line skill shot that deals damage
Meanwhile somwhere on the rift:
*J4 uses R on WW
WW: I am not stuck here with you. You are stuck here with me
@@user-rr3vj5yb4r Jarvan is never stuck in his ult. It's common to ult the high priority target, then E+Q out if you can't kill them
where ability doesnt do several things, yet his Q does dmg AND shreds armor and also can combine with his E, sounds like a 200 yr champ to me. only old skarner was strightforward, a true non-200 years champ.
@@0192123 Which one? The one that slowed, the one that stacked for a stun, the one that gave him ms and as, or the one that dealt percent max health?
Bro J4 is one of those characters that nobody plays cause they think he's boring, but he's actually just busted beyond belief. Will literally just outduel other champs in his class, can be a tank, can be a tank buster. Can be an assassin, can be an enchanter and can do all of them to at least a viable level all while mantaining one of the best engage kits in the game
usually when people pick mages on mid, mostly ahri, hwei or viktor, I pick Jarvan on mid with shield bash... absolutely broken.. im 11/2 in 15mins while barely roaming
J4 is just insane against lots of mages because even if he is 0/9 his R will kill many mages with it in a team fight. Or any immobile champions really
Been abusing it on support, i only assume most ppl dont wanna venture out of the norm for champ picks. It also could be most supports just blow😊
J4 supp is fun. Find the immobile carried and ult. Such a fun champ.
He is the most sustainable champion in toplane for gapping the tank and damager hero even he's shield thicker than his HP stats
If you build correctly and maxing his W and E you are the king of set and engaging the enemy
J4’s weakness doesn’t come from his lack of utility, but his playstyle and pattern. His e q is very easy to dodge making him dogshit in higher elo. Aside from his e q, all he has his shield and his ult, which don’t have much versatility, your options on j4 after missing e q are to shield and run (lose half ur hp or die) or commit with ult (which doesn’t secure a kill if the enemy has a dash or is a good fighter). And before u call me out, just know that im an Ekko mid otp and ive played maybe 5 j4 games in my 10+ years of playing league. Im only saying all this because every champ is op in their own right. Maximizing j4’s potential in a game doesn’t secure a win because there’s significant counterplay. In order to combat this, the champ is by design easy to pilot and has easily executable utility. Ekko is far more broken, since maximizing his potential in 99% of games will lead to a win. A good Ekko can play into anything, a good j4 can’t.
Craziest thing is his "dash" ignores all cc except displacement he just keeps going as it technically isnt a movement ability
Yo holy moly I didn't know that
The only weakness to jarvan dash was actually old volibear. If jarvan tries to dash out old volibear can actually flip him back to him if he tried to escape.
@@jasonyang6150 well yeah thats a displacement
You can make literally anything in the game sound absolutely bonkers if you just list all the positives in theory
j4 good at closing games early with non stop ganks and setups. but if the enemy got ahead, your setups wont mean anything
I always felt like he's lee sin but simpler. He's just so simple you can focus on macro and he's got enough of everything, stats, damage, mobility, CC. Just a good champ that doesn't get popular. That's why he's not nerfed.
Remember when they removed nunu attackspeed buff when he was picked to buff the adc?
Kinda feels the same here tbh
I learned j4 from agurinn and climbed to d2 with him..he is always my go 2 when im autofilled jungle
EYES WITHOUT A FACEEEE!!!!!!!! WHAT A GREAT SONG GODDAMMIT
Oh god imagine him when the new season drops. His early presence is that strong
League is a game with a lot of variance. You ran hot on j4, it's only a 15 game sample size. With the othrr champs, same thing. You ran bad to average for a handful of gamws.
J4 has actually fallen off quite recently in play rate. It has to do with is ingage as a diver requiring 2 extra braincells since its a combo. Also items have not been kind of him. But in high elo he has so much pressure and so much engage that it doesn’t matter if his items are garbo or if his kit is slightly underwhelming, a multi target ingage/isolation ult and one of the longest ingages period means he will always be good in a pro/challanger level.
Doesnt j4 have too high a mana cost on most his stuff to lane?
Build a tear and your set up for the game. Also don't spam as much your spell as if you were jungle
@@zedlincurve282so his first 3 levels suffer? Not very viable in lane as before s7-8 something.
@@Biobio6768 i mean if you use E you can farm under tower pretty good
This monkey that's designing j4 gave him life 5000 base attack speed that's why.
No champion deserves to be a stat checker while being so fkn high impact
Probably bc he was a minion for some time and then busted so his player base isnt that consistent when is in aa somewhat balanced state.
I like playing him bc of the impact
He can engage from over a screen away.
J4 top with grasp, shield bash, cheap shot is lowkey insane
He also has the easiest ability to get an assist with. Throw his standard anywhere near a fight and instantly you get an assist.
Are we just gona ignore his 100% win rate on Vi while he rants about 1 loss on J4
Theres a reason why j4 has been a top meta pick in a pro for pretty much like the past 4 years
And when you say "J4 is broken" as a non challenger non streamer, everyone just calls you boosted
J4 is one of the most meta rotated champions in the video games history. What is Azzapp even on about? No one over looks him lol
J4 fell off HARD lategame, but people learned to pick up their paces and J4 fixed its own weakness.
j4 is now what riot fears the most when making champions
its basically the same thing as playing tank jungle, you have too much utility, the only difference been j4 can actually do damage
One could say he's "always broken", but wouldnt you also say a champions kit who consistently survives most if not all adjustments to and around around them, a well designed champion?
Alistar is always going to be a "broken" champion as well, if we're going by that metric. Everyone is always going to love, want, or need a gigantic wall of Damage resistance and hard CC.
Yeah, the main issue is that most champs don't have this kind of versatility, so you can draft against an assassin jungle and he'll be having a hard time, but you can't really against a j4, because he'll be to adapt to anything you throw at him, which makes him feel unfair. Ideally, you would want this kind of adaptability on every champ.
@@xanthor4266well you actually can just go farming jungler and take his camps, he’s mega slow clearing and then falls off giga hard
I vaguely remember his ULT didn't use to cause damage. I thought he was such a dumb champ because you can just flash out of his ULT, or if i was Vayne i could just condemn him into his own wall and finish him off.
“I’m getting shit on with other characters” - proceeds to show us 50/50. lol that is not getting shit on.
Msst of my memories of League come from S4/5 so it's really funny to me that J4 is simultaneously way stronger (can be built to scale) and played much less often.
Ignoring the "smurfing" part 💀💀💀
Now that i think about it j4 is probably the most consistent pro-pick that's not elo jailed
Plot Armor Vi with the 100% 7 game win rate
His weakness is his early game. He’s a horrible duelist, invade him early for free kills. Even if he gets a jump on dueling junglers he still loses.
Though I agree, he has cc, utility, tankiness, armor shred and an ability that forces immobile carries to flash. But if he gets even a little bit behind he’s screwed
Saying early game is J4's weakness is an insane take.
Yes, he might not be good in the 1v1, but he basically wins every 2v2 or 3v3 skirmish early. Unless you can guarantee a 1v1 and make sure that your lanes don't fall for any ganks he will go for afterwards, his early game is really good.
@ if he can counter gank or get the perfect e+q sure, if not he loses those too. He does less dmg than most junglers while being slightly tankier if not the same as them.
His early ganks are good, but in anything even he loses to most junglers.
It’s not an insane take, it’s so obvious that most junglers invading him is a given
Against mobile carrys he has big problems late. Otherwise op!
J4 cant kill anything alone if he isnt really ahead. He is more like a team player. Engaging ganking making space helping to go for the back line. But he isnt a good 1v1er and definitely he isnt a 1v9er
Love seeing my main jungle get some love
>skips over your vi at 100%
Funny enough Vi and J4 are my main tournament picks
EYES WITHOUT A FACE SPOTTED instant subcribe to the tentacle man
As a casual player, I can tell you that at least in my games no one knows how to playhim
Adc j4? How would that work
You just unalive the enemy adc
Back in the day, j4 and Leona was a popular kill lane botside. Any strong cc support can turn j4 into a monster, and level 6 on j4 means no flash = free kill.
Adcs are beyond weak early, especially in low elo you can just lock a good engage support and any champion that has kill potential in lane is viable (especially rn)
Used to play him adc. Really op until emerald/diamond, if you have an engage support or a poke mage.
the weakness is that his Q and E are one ability and his W is worthless
A shield on j4? I mean yea you can block a soraka auto. That's about it.
You should watch bause play him top lane. Shield max with eclipse and thimblewinter and they can't even break his shield to touch his health
@levicasey9819 are we talking about sion or j4?
I'm assuming you don't know what J4 shield scale off of?
@cancelery6224 yea it's literally 1.3% of his max health, and has a small ad ratio thrown in. For most champs, that is not even 1 ability to break it.
@@Deathnomyou just said 1 ability gj
Been saying this for years, especially in this eclipse + sundered sky meta he is unkillable
I'm also really annoyed by how he can just ignore roots, he just doesn't give a fuck. No other movement ability let's you move when you're rooted, only J4 gets that
Agurin: First time?
The champ just rewards good fundamentals and playing towards your win con. He has a lot of options and rewards you for picking the best one early as a high impact jgler. When you compare him with a champ like shyvana or wu that are very one dimensional and have to play for 6 then yes you are going to have a lower winrate. You cant impact as much early and some of your games are going to go to sht because of it. Doesn't mean the champ is broken or that wukong and shyvana are weak/balanced. Plus this is such a small amount of games that it doesn't really prove much. To top it all off you are smurfing as a challenger player who knows how to close out games (something jarvan generally struggles with) and you create this skewed view. I think j4 is good but certainly not broken.
Weakness of j4 is first clear, he lose alot of health clearing jungle, weaker first few levels. When you get invaded by let say a nidalee or a leesin who full health lv3, its kinda doomed
I mean, he IS Jarvan IV, he should be like that
Whenever my noobie friends asked me who they should Jungle with, I say J4.
And they would never listen.
Get absolutly shit on with your damn Kayn then you pro gamer.
Definitely one of my favourite junglers. If i have to play jungle I pick him or vi
J4 is just annoying could be played by someone just spamming buttons with a general build and if he targets you you just die. Time and time again I've seen a j4 just solo 1v4 with no issue because he just doesn't die
J4 is my lifeline after losing 3 or 4 matches playing what ever i want in jg
J4 adc is such an underrated pick ngl
Thx for the tip
Time to begin my warring kingdoms j4 top/jgl arc
its just crazy utility nobody plays him because he doesnt eq ult in and do a trilion damage
as a J4 otp i am not surprised
Jack of all trades master of none he’ll never ever be the best no matter wat he builds but he can do it all a true demacian fair and balanced
Viewer is 100% right. Dudes gloating about how broken his champ is. As a challenger Smurfing in silver, then tries to defend it.
Hilarious logic.
To add to this. The other champs he tries to back up the logic, that he’s getting “shit” on he had higher than a 50% win rate with in far less games.
Dude used Wukong as an example when he’s only played two games with him. And if you watch those games he’s straight SMURFING on the enemy team.
This is probably the dumbest and largest cope Zap Zap short I’ve ever seen. And all the bronze viewers in the comments are eating it right up.
80% win rate on both Vi and WW in 10 games each. 90% on J4 in 16.. in silver/gold elo as a challenger
ongod. Another L take from This "guy".
He should just stick to velkoz and not talk ever
thats what happens when you only play league and never take a statistics class in your life
Nobody talks about the 100% win rate vi😂😂😂
Bro needs to try zac jung, zac is goated
J4 hard to backpack if your team sucks thats his weakness
How many champions can go like tha many lanes?? I know swain can go basicly all of them with baring succes(i love swain) but wha other character?
Pantheon comes to mind
heimerdinger, zac, ivern, pantheon, taliyah, cho gath, anivia, neeko, fiddlesticks, brand.. all those champs can go 4 different lanes (taliyah, neeko and brand can even go all 5 lanes), and thats just the examples that come off my mind.
"Jarvan has no weaknesses"
He gets dashes and walls you in... You can't leave
my best choice for jungle
If i autofill jgl, have no clue what to play, i lock in j4 and win the game... i feel like i could climb so mutch further if i just enjoyed j4 and did it everygame.... but feels to ez so i onetrick azir insted :D