Is Islam Antisemitic?
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- Опубликовано: 20 июн 2024
- Though they share similar values, guidelines, and principles, Islam and Judaism have a long, complicated relationship that has led to tension recorded within the Quran and other Islamic texts. As a result of what’s been written, along with reactions to the longstanding Israel-Palestinian conflict, some have called Islam an inherently antisemitic religion. Those who agree point out that certain Quranic verses, when taken literally or interpreted negatively, foster antisemitic sentiments within education systems and in the culture, which are used to justify negative stereotypes or hostility towards Jews. Yet other religious scholars argue that this is not the case. They say that many Quranic references to Jews are typically misinterpreted and must be understood in their historical and textual contexts. They also emphasize that there have been historical periods and modern examples where Muslim-majority countries have hosted thriving Jewish communities and reflect a more accurate representation of Islamic attitudes towards Jews.
With this context, we debate the question: Is Islam Antisemitic?
Arguing Yes: Tim Dieppe, Head of Policy at Christian Concern
Arguing No: Reza Aslan, Iranian-American Religion Scholar; Bestselling Author of "Zealot"
Emmy award-winning journalist John Donvan moderates
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I'm so relieved to hear that all the Koran can be interpreted individually. Could we let the muslims know?
Next time get an ex muslim for such debate. Reza turned it all about Christianity.
Yes I’m sure an ex Muslim is not biased at all
@@315pasha everybody is biased when a religion is concerned. Ex muslims, however, are highly knowledgeble about the subject. Many of them speak Arabic. These things a Christian non Arab researcher of religions does not have.
@@darita654 I don’t think they’re highly educated at all. I think they have a bone to pick because of traumatic event that happened to them that stems probably from their culture and not the religion. Also, it’s the best hustle in the world. Lots of money to be made from trashing Islam. Great industry. Ask Ayan Hirsi Ali. She doesn’t even speak Arabic, hasn’t read the Quran or Hadith in any detail. Yet she was able to get a lucrative book deal and position at the Hoover institute as the token neocon ex Muslim. So no this wouldn’t be an objective voice to turn to.
@@315pasha best hustle in the world? Really? Islam critics get killed quite often. There is one who lives in Germany. He is a son of imam and was preparing to become one himself. He wrote a book as well and now lives under constant police protection.
@@315pasha another point you make that bad things in Islam come from culture and not Islam itself. Unfortunately it is not true. Mohammed was an power hungry warlord who killed lots of people, had sex slaves and r*ped a 9 year old. If you follow his example alone, you would become quite evil. Besides Quran gives instructions how to treat slaves and beat wives.
is Reza Aslan an islamist? That question should have been asked first.
Okay calm down, Joe McCarthy.
Reza states that "It's up to the person to derive from it.." referring to text in the religious scriptures mentions both positive and negative statements about Jews. In Islam, it's never up to the person to decide how to translate Islamic scriptures. It's up to the governing bodies of Islamic texts - the Imams and such. Muslims mostly do not read nor understand Islamic texts because it's incredibly confusing and in old Arabic.
It's laughable to say religion is what any individual believer makes of it. Such a disingenuous point to make by a religious scholar. If that was the case it would be impossible to study orthodox theology of any religion.
It's also disingenuous to say no religion in the world affirms the equality of other religions, Buddhism is a prime example. The goal of Buddhism is the attainment of enlightenment and Buddhist texts clearly give examples of the possibility of individuals attaining enlightenment without the teachings of the Buddha.
Reza is either purposefully making disingenuous claims or is a terrible scholar...
Why not both?
#1 is kind of sort of true, but if you're going to make that claim (Reza) you have to also concede that to the extent an individual who calls themselves a follower of a given religion ignores or goes against the doctrines or rules of that religion is the exact extent to which they are not a member of that religion. At a certain point if a Buddhist is on a murderous rampage, drinks alcohol daily and doesn't meditate, doesn't even read the sutras, what do we make of their proclaiment that they are Buddhist?
I am wondering what Reza thinks about Quran mentioning children of Israel many times but never mentioned Palestinians, Quran also mentioned that children of Israel will return and what does he think about claims by some that JC is Palestinian.
He is bizarrely sidetracking by talking about Christian dislike of Jews but this is not the subject of the debate
@Petruhafication. Ironically that your bring up the comparison with Buddhism as Muhammad had horrible things to say about Buddhism, Hinduism and even Zoroastrians very similar to what he’d said of Jews and Christians calling for the murders of all others. In fact he’d only extended some tolerance to Christians and Jews because they were Abrahamic religions and therefore keepers of the holy testaments. Each could only be tolerated if they paid extra taxes when living in Muslim countries higher than the tax rates over that of Muslim citizens upon pain of death if they objected or simply couldn’t afford to pay when living under Sharia Law. I can’t think of a more intolerant religion. Who else hates the Buddhist or for that matter who hates the Zoroastrians? It’s so unreasonable.
Reza started with a whataboutism and it derailed most of the debate. He then went on to pretend that the Quranic text is abstract and has multiple meanings depending on the reader, he never really responded to Tim's quoted verses from the Quran which very clearly harbour animosity and hostility towards the Jews.
"If Islam is anti-Semitic then so is Christianity" is not a strong argument to the modern secular audience. The failings of Organized Religion are a big reason why the west believes in the separation of church and state.
The literally started Christianity. They didn't preach hatred against their brothers but forgiveness and love. 😊
What about the Zionists from Eastern Europe who are claiming to be semites using the Bible as a title deed to justify the occupation of Palestine?
Are they secular when they are using religion to do the occupation?
Yes Christianity has been brow beaten into modernity. That said, if any random person wants to live their life more like Jesus, we have no reason to worry about them. On the other hand, if they wanted to live like a warlord who had many wives, including some underage, we have a problem. My religious tolerance extends just as far as your religious beliefs are compatible with secular humanism.
@@mountainair first of all if you insult the prophet, I am sure you are doomed both in this life and the hereafter. Don't think that you are going to escape the punishment of God Almighty. I advise you to repent and ask for forgiveness.
Secondly the Zionists are using the Bible as a title deed to justify the atrocities in Palestine while most of them are not even genuine descendants of Israel.
@@mountainair ... Jesus did so many antisemetic stuff
Calling Jews the Synagogue of Satan
Beating Jews
Let them be slaves telling them he has no right to save them.
Setting them up with Issac haveing 12 Sons and no daughters
Maimonides was kicked out of Andalusia by the Almohads which was a Muslim dynasty not Christian.
And where did he go after that? Who was his subsequent patron?
Reza said Maimonides was kicked out during the inquisition which is incorrect. He was kicked out by Muslims
@@12BKLmySHOOto another muslim.land lol. He died in a Muslim land stupid
@@gahtan the whole concept of needing a patron is exactly the problem.
✝️☪️🔯 Beyond delusional buffoons idoit God to begin with!!!!😲😲😲
Is Islam antisemitic? Is water wet? Is the sky blue?
Let's first agree on who's a semite. Are the Zionists from Eastern Europe genuinely semites? They claim to be secular humanists when they are using the Bible as a title deed to justify their actions and atrocities against the people of Palestine. It will be difficult for Europeans and the Americans to convince anyone that they stand for human rights after supporting the atrocities in Palestine.
I guess God Almighty is also anti-Semitic.
@@keksi6844The Muslim Moon god, Yes!
No.. Ofcourse not water cannot be wet by itself water make stuff wet.And ofcourse not the sky is white or mostly transparent.
@@shainazion4073 Pretty sure not just our "Moon" God but even your Boy Jesus calling Jews the Synagogue of Satan and beating Jews for trading in their temple.And setting up the Jews from their creation by Giving Issac 12 sons tho Jews inherit from their mothers the Jewishness....So so many proofs that God is Anti-Semetism
The argument that ALL scriptures have antisemitism does not support the argument that Islam NOT anti-semitic.
U must be stupid
We don't need that
We just say God Almighty is Anti-Semetism and that is supported by everyone
Even Judaism nameing Josef the one who fight god
Is Buddhism antisemitic?
Anyway even if his claim is valid (it’s not) we are left with with a pretty simple test of are most believers of a said religion are antisemitic and if so does this antisemitism is being rationalized with religious texts.
The answer is as clear as day.
And no Christianity is not antisemitic, it might has been but it was reformed.
Sunni Islam which is majority of Muslims was never(!) reformed or more so the reform to Shia Islam (Iran/IRGC form of Islam) made it even more extreme and antisemitic
Where was the term antisemitism coined, Christian Europe or elsewhere
@@ai_com well in the Arab and or Muslim world it was “dhimmi”.
I’m both worlds the Jews needed to know thier “rightful” place in history…
to correct Reza. Maimonides was not being persecuted by the inquisition he was persecuted by the Almohads.
at 28.38, reza being ignorant or dishonest. the holocause had nothing to do with Christianity. hitler was obsessed with arian racial purity and adopted US eugenics concepts to begin exterminating people who were considered inferior. this then later included the jews. hitler also begin a new state religion that excluded old testament and relabelled Jesus as an Aryan. hitler also hated the Catholics next in line after the jews. it didn't matter if a jew was Christian, they were marked for concentration camps if they had a certain % of parentage who were jews. One story i read recently is that of Edith Stein, who was jewish and became an serious academic and then became a nun. She was sent to gas chambers in spite of efforts by the church to foil the Nazis. the point is, this is real genocide - didn't matter she became christian.
What's more, Hitler did not originally intend to kill all the Jews but to enslave and work them to death gradually. Hajj Amin Al Husseini, uncle of Arafat and Grand Mufti of Jerusalem under the Ottoman Empire, met wtih Hitler to convince him to annihilate the entire Jewish people -- as per the Koran, of course -- but also because Husseini was afraid that any escaping Jews would head home to Jerusalem and become Husseini's problem to deal with. Zionism had already become a rallying cry before Hitler, around 1890, and Husseini must have been aware.
Reza is doing Taqiyya
How do you know
@@Malik-lh4jh Because she listened to what Reza said, and it was blatantly obvious. See also my comment, written independently rather than as a response to a comment.
@@Malik-lh4jhi talked to him I can confirm he does taqiyya or how I call being a clown
Reza is such a bad faith debater.
Just be honest dam^it
I can't believe Reza is even addressing Islam publicly again. Maybe he thinks the internet forgot about his previous debates on Islam where he failed miserably.
laughable question.
This is a joke? Is the pope catholic?
Right? Might have asked do christians like little boys?
@@kunya5882 Muslims are pretty fond of little boys too. Religion is one hell of drug.
islam is a chaos, sick, filthy ideology.
@31:30, 😅 reza got cow crap in his face, after he mentioned jewish sage, and then the other guy countered with what the sage actually wrote- reza seem to be squirming in his seat..
@fre7717. When studying the Torah if a rabbinical scholar professed a crazy theory there were a hundred other rabbinical scholars who objected and denounced that theory generally and the same thing happened within the Vatican and in the different Christian churches over the centuries. That’s how progress happened over time however slowly. By contrast in Islam it’s as though if Mohammad said that Islams should hate a group of people in one of the books yet to forgive them in another the Imans side on the the book of the Suras. You simply can’t say I hate you a thousand times but I forgive you only once and consider that to be a healthy relationship.
Kudos and thanks to Tim Dieppe for his (mathematically) objective, logical, and clear evidence of Islam's antisemitism. There was no word for antisemitism when the Koran was written, but the text reiterates permanent antisemitism into the forever future far more times than it hints at some sort of salvation for Jews who convert to Islam. If someone says, "I hate you" 99 times and "I love you" only once, the two statements are not in balance. To suggest, as Rezs Aslan does, that they are, that they cancel each other out and leave everything to individual interpretation, is a perfect example of false equivalence.
Indeed, Reza Aslan ignores the Koran in order to blame individuals of antisemitism, in order to protect and defend Islam, yet, by doing so, he negates any value that the Koran and Islam have, because, by R.A.'s own explanation, everything is up to individual interpretation.
R.A.'s comparisons with Christianity amount to the immature defense, "I know you are, but what am i?" HIs vague fluidity of reasoning amounts to the manipulations of propaganda, spoken in such a way as to gaslight the individual listener.
So, again, I say kudos and thanks to Tim Dieppe for being the adult and the honest person in the room.
A ex Muslim once explained to me how islam lies to a population with translations of the Quran . He said if you want to see how they manipulate people go and purchase a Quran written before 1975. And than purchase as many qurans as necessary beyond that date and atart comparing the wording.
Have you done this? What have you found?
@@ameeradil- Muhammad married his adopted Son’s wife called ‘Zaynab’ after lusting for her and then banned Adoption in Islam- (Surah 33:37,Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 305, Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3330, Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 516,The History of Al-Tabari: The Victory of Islam, translated by Michael Fishbein, 1
@@ameeradilI will give you an example as an example-Muslim and Native Arabic speaker.
In Koran 8:30 it’s written “Allah is best deceiver” والله خير الماكرين
While they manipulate new translation to be “Allah is best of planners”
Allah in the Koran is acting even worst the the devil himself to lore people to disobey him so he can enjoy torturing them. There are thousands of examples but I hope you are smart enough to pick it up and do your own research.
@@ameeradil I will give you an example as an example-Muslim and Native Arabic speaker.
In Koran 8:30 it’s written “Allah is best deceiver” والله خير الماكرين
While they manipulate new translation to be “Allah is best of planners”
There are thousands of examples but I hope you are smart enough to pick it up and do your own research.
@@hamodalbatal464 Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that referring as a counter to the Arab Polytheists who were trying to persecute the early Muslims? Kind of like, 'they were planning against muslims but really they were only wronging themselves by being so bigoted, and hypocritical.' type of vibe.
I get the criticisms of Islam, but it should be noted how barbaric and savage the pre islamic polytheistic tribal Arabs acted. Things like burying newborn daughters because they only wanted male sons. Thinking that a carved wooden doll will make rain fall from the sky if you pray to it etc. Sure criticize Islam, but polytheism is just stupid. The Europeans also had their polytheist ideas with Odin/Thor worshippers etc but those have also been rejected as those are not progressive ideas, and are based on superstition. The idea of Tawheed in Islam was a radically progressive concept in its time, and even non muslims spread similar messages in other parts of the world
In the words of Maimonides, who is seen as the most successful synthesizer of medieval Judaism and the Islamic world, “God has entangled us with this people, the nation of Ishmael, who treat us so prejudicially and who legislate our harm and hatred…. No nation has ever arisen more harmful than they, nor has anyone done more to humiliate us, degrade us, and consolidate hatred against us.”
Why tf would this be a debate?
Why not. Islam is the root cause of the problems in the middle East and they are gradually spreading the cancer to the west
Answer: by and large, YES. And by and large, its adherents are.
43:46 wrt Mrs Sahar, so does it imply they what muhammed wrote is not entirely inspired, but he inserted additional text if he became angry with the jews or christians during some battle? and this reflected in the blatantly antisemitic and anti christian verses? but the historical linkages doesn't seem to matter as most imams seem to interpret the verses as being applicable to present time.
God never spoke to Muhammad.
@@jacovawernett3077 i completely agree with you i was just humoring the idea based on her comments. it is certainly not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob- their perversion of heaven, one of many corruptions.
@@fre7717 truly, I thank you.
This entire debate is absurd .. the question should have been *how to reform Islam to make it less antisemitic*
it cannot be reformed
reform is affected by intelligent rational actors
l6lam breeds irrational views and thus irrational actors
They already had a Reformation: Wahhabism.
Maimonides had more to say about Jewish life under Islamic rule: “We bear the inhumane burden of their humiliation, lies and absurdities, being as the prophet said, ‘like a deaf man who does not hear or a dumb man who does not open his mouth’.... Our sages disciplined us to bear Ishmael’s lies and absurdities, listening in silence, and we have trained ourselves, old and young, to endure their humiliation, as Isaiah said, ‘I have given my back to the smiters, and my cheek to the beard pullers.’”
If a religion appropriates another faith , it's inherently anti- that faith. islam in Quran appropriates all older abrahmic religions
Islam plagiarized bits from Abrahamic (among others) religions' scriptures to trick/make people believe it's from their God (god/s) and turned it on it's head (also tried to re-write history) to suit their end goal of world domination ( the aim to create an empire and dominate as the Romans did)
I'm surprised it took that long. I can even fit in a short:
Is Islam antisemitic? Yes! Want more info about it? Read the Quran or hadiths about the topic. Or just hit up Tafsir Ibn Kathir.
Simple answer, Yes.
So let's not be credulous enough to just except any and all religious claims.
Short answer, YES!
The note by Maimonides shows the plight of the Jews under the Moslems.
Maimonides, a prominent Jewish philosopher and scholar, did not necessarily depict the plight of Jews under Muslims in a singular or universally negative light. While historical circumstances varied, Maimonides himself lived during the Islamic Golden Age in the 12th century, primarily in Muslim-ruled Spain and Egypt, where Jews often experienced periods of relative tolerance and intellectual flourishing under Islamic rule. Maimonides' writings, such as his legal and philosophical works, reflect his engagement with Islamic culture and philosophy, and he often expressed gratitude for the opportunities and protections afforded to Jews in Muslim societies compared to their counterparts in Christian Europe at the time. Antisemitism has always been a European malady; a crime of the West. Get your facts straight.
@@kratosedits1 Maimonides quote"Maimonides had more to say about Jewish life under Islamic rule: “We bear the inhumane burden of their humiliation, lies and absurdities, being as the prophet said, ‘like a deaf man who does not hear or a dumb man who does not open his mouth’.... Our sages disciplined us to bear Ishmael’s lies and absurdities, listening in silence, and we have trained ourselves, old and young, to endure their humiliation, as Isaiah said, ‘I have given my back to the smiters, and my cheek to the beard pullers.’”
@@kratosedits1In the words of Maimonides, who is seen as the most successful synthesizer of medieval Judaism and the Islamic world, “God has entangled us with this people, the nation of Ishmael, who treat us so prejudicially and who legislate our harm and hatred…. No nation has ever arisen more harmful than they, nor has anyone done more to humiliate us, degrade us, and consolidate hatred against us.”
@@askywa During the Islamic Golden Age, there were positive sentiments expressed about Jews by prominent Muslim scholars and rulers. Caliph Al-Ma'mun emphasized tolerance and intellectual exchange, stating, "Seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave, even if it be found with Jews." Ibn Rushd (Averroes) defended religious freedoms, affirming, "The Jews and Christians have the right to practice their religion and live as neighbors of the Muslims." Ibn Sina (Avicenna) praised Jewish scholars, noting, "The Jews have contributed greatly to the science of medicine." These statements reflect a recognition of Jewish contributions and rights within the multicultural fabric of Islamic societies during that era.
@@askywa
Great discussion!
There is no slaugthering of unbelievers as Reza said about christianity. "Vengeamce is mine"says the Lord. We are called to love our enemies and not allowed to slaughter anyone.
"I come not to bring peace, but a sword"
@@ClintonAllenAndersonthe word sword is translated “machairan” in its original text greek which its a fisherman’s tool to divide meat.
Reading further it say he will divide families and enemies into those who will follow and not.
“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord”
@@Kaye254 Apologetics and Excuses aren't convincing
@@ClintonAllenAnderson You not understanding context or meaning is not my fault. Jesus taught by using figurative language, maybe if you actually read into the scripture you would stop parroting what simpletons say
@@Kaye254 "Jesus" is almost certainly a mythic being that was historicized and not the other way around.... There's zero evidence he "said" or "taught" anything.
Go sell crazy somewhere else
Allah does not mean God , Allah is the name of the muslim god ........
God in arabic is Lah , Allah are two words Al which means The and Lah which means God , Al - Lah = The God , Allah was the name of the god of the moon in arabia pre-muhammad's time ................
I did not know this. Very interesting! Thank you!
the moon lah is also called Sin so in q book lah writes ya sin. God sin or God moon
sin is where the English word sin comes from
following the moon god is sin ......so i5lam is sin and the fruits being 57 failed states poverty terr0ror proves this
@@AniBAretz ; also when muslims shout " Allah hu ackbar " , this is a war cry , existing since muhammad , which means that Allah is bigger than the God of the jews and christians , islam is all about competing with the two religions , it was built from ..................
In the Arabic Bible it says Allah so what are you on about 😂
@Akif1905 arabic "bible" written under islamofasism reflecting dhimi status
allah has three daughters manat alat and al uzza ...see q53 v19 v20
..judeo christian god has no daughters
the truth will Set you free
I love your debates
I don't like the question... Question should be "Do muslim countries teach and support anti-semitism".
The first is s religious debate that can be warped, the latter is a current debate that van have proofs from the muslim states.
Quran 5:82
"You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews..."
Sahih al-Bukhari 2926
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Make your own conclusions
In his summation Reza stated that Abraham settled in Egypt though Egypt at the time of Abraham was not yet a Muslim country as the Muslim theology did not exist yet. He also stated that Jesus was preaching to poor Palestinians when he was preaching to other Israelites which was why the Pharisees considered him a heretic and a sorcerer.
i think the debate went off, without a clear definition of what us antisemitism and what is not! hence reza attempt to make references to NT passages, which are not.
Replay the video. Antisemitism is defined, and the source of that particular definition is given, just before the actual debating starts, along with the point that both debators agreed to this given definition.
I can’t listen to Ezra defend Islam and Mohammad.
I agree with you. Namaste. God enlightened me. My Hebrew name Jacova is the female form of Jacob. ( I was born March 11th in Bethlehem 51 years ago)
I will teach you some Aramaic. Schlama means peace. Malkuth means heaven. Khubba means love.
Reza is disingenuous.
Which Krishna temple are you at.
So convenient to say.. religion is what each individual says it is… which is exactly the opposite of a religion… I must admit he’s pretty damn confused
I don't think he's confused, I think he seeks to cause confusion as part of his apologetics.
Aslan Reza begins by excusing written religious texts. All texts are somewhat a product of their time. The Hebrew Bible is from thousands of years ago, the Christian New Testament is from a few thousand years ago, but the uran is from only about one thousand years ago, and thus is closer to what current Muslim believers believe. More important: people tend to grab negative views of The Other despite a few non-negative views in the same text. What I hear in this debate about Islam is that Islam believes those who come to "the end of time" as believers in the Muslim view of God (Allah) will be accepted at "the end of time." Our concern for humans is for the here and now.
Religious texts are a product of the time when they are written. The Hebrew Bible was written thousands of years ago, the Christian New Testament about a thousand years ago, but the Quran is only hundreds of years ago and is more fully believed as written. People also tend to believe negative views more fully than occasional more positive views that may occur within a text. As some other comments here observe: tell these "love everyone" verses to the current Muslims. Most of the more ositive comments in Islam refer to "the end of time." We are concerned with how people are viewed and treated hre and now.
God didn't speak to Muhammad.
he’s speaking to you!
@@315pasha Sincerly Amira Malaka Elah
@@jacovawernett3077 yeah he’s definitely speaking to you specifically!
Shame no mention of Hamas Childrens decade+ TV show Pioneers of Tomorrow...would've liked to hear Reza's take on that!
Reza has no solutions to Islamer Jihad.
God spoke fifty sentences to me from above to my ear.
His first nine sentences to me from above to my ear were 8.4.2015 in the morning. Since then I have told people and timestamped many prescient visions that came true.
God's last sentence to me was four years ago after months.
He said, You are Princess Messenger of God.
The latest sign I asked God for was the big solar flare for May 11th Aurora Borealis.
Mary was a jew and she has a chapter dedicated to her in the quran: Surah Maryam - 1-98
demi means half , it comes from the french , demi ...........
in the quoran demi means half that of the muslims , same as muslim women are also demis , worth half that of a muslim man , surah 4/176 ................
Islam has nothing to say, no teaching, as there are over a billion different interpretations according Rezan. Everything is metaphoric.
Different interpretations and metaphoric is B/S. The Quran itself say it's simple/easy to understand. .. . . was written for majority illiterate people, as well as simple rhyming for easy memory to repeat.
I'll give it a thumbs up, but this was a flawed debate. Having a member of Christian Concern argue for the Jewish perspective was never going to work even if they had been an intellectual equal with the other side, which arguably this Tim guy wasn't.
thumbs up on both debaters on cordial env.
Not quite so cordial. Reza Aslan got more words in (repititious though they were) by interrupting and steamrolling his opponent. Of course, he still lost the competition.
@@AniBAretz well, probably as best it can get? however, it has same characteristics of your typical debate against muslims- dodge and deflect without answering, and counter with a whataboutism. the real sad reality is that even if they can manage to prove that the antisemitic references in the quran were in reference to historical situation, a lot of muslims don't seem to believe that is the case. a lot of imams also don't seem to share that view.
''Jesus was talking to poor illiterate Palestinian Jews, like himself'' Was Mr. Aslan talking about kinda historical fallacies? I haven't written a single book. Maybe someday I'll put all my comments on RUclips in the book, not sure it'll be a bestseller, but anyway... Jesus historical, divine, or fictional was born to a Jewish mother and was a Jew. He was born in the city of Beit Lechem in the heartland of Judea and grew up -- or was born like some historians claim-- in Nazareth, his mother's hometown, which is located in Galilee, a region of Roman province Judea. Where was Palestine? Did some of the Evangelists mention Palestine in the Gospel? Did Josephus write his book about the war of Palestinian Jews? Did Pilishtim aka Philistines still exist at that time? Samaritans? Yes, Philistines? No. Hadrian, the Roman emperor renamed Judea into Palestina and Jerusalem into Aelia Capitolina after he defeated the Jews more than 100 years later after the death of Jesus. Was Jesus illiterate like the prophet Muhammad? How could he read the Torah if he was illiterate? According to the Gospel Jesus wasn't a kohen, but whether he was a rabbi, a prophet, or the son of God he was highly likely literate.
@yuribliman8999. For any Jews to have believed that Jesus was the Messiah he’d have had to havre been a descendant of David therefore he would have been a Levite. The. Kohans weren’t the only literate Jews. In fact the historic strength of the Jewish people over the millennia has always been that they’ve taught more of their people to read than most other populations. This was also true historically of the Persians as well.
He wasn't illiterate.
L'chaim, Ahava Adonai Ahava Israel Elehenu Adonai Hashem
@@LlyleHunter King David was from the tribe of Judah according to Jewish tradition. According to the Christian tradition, Jesus was a descendant of David and was born in the same city as King David. So he wasn't a kohan. Kohanim are from the tribe of Levi direct descendants of Aharon. According to the Jewish tradition Elijah the Prophet whose return to the earth will precede the coming of the Messiah was a Levite. There is a hypothesis that Muslims were so afraid of the fulfillment of this prophecy that they set a cemetery right in front of the Golden Gates. A priest who had contact with a dead body was considered unpure according to Jewish law. And to purify himself one must use the ashes of the red heifers.
All Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah who according to the Jewish tradition must be from the house of David. Even the story about the crown of thorns is kind of interconnection between the Christian narrative and the Jewish narrative about Messiah the King of Jews.
@@LlyleHunter
Palm 110 the first verse David writes "The LORD said to my(David's) Lord"
Then further down
4The LORD has sworn
and will not change His mind:
“You are a priest forever
in the order of Melchizedek.”
The "you" is not speaking of David. The LORD is still addressing the Lord from the first verse.
It was clear there was One coming that would not be according to the Levitical line, but according to the order of Melchizedek, a priestly king forever(this is not an earthly kingdom that would perish, but an eternal kingdom.)
Who is this Lord to David?
Islam guy isn't only lying to non Muslims he started breaking Islamic laws within a min of speaking. He's taking advantage of the ignorance of the public...ughhhh
What pray tell are the “Islamic laws” he’s breaking??
Talking about Islam as a man made idea that isn't supposed to be taken literally is blasphemy (death). Going against the scholars interpretation is disobedience( lashings, amputation). Islam is clear its followers are slaves to its teachings,it's the law and way of life that dictates everything and is against forms of individuality. A Muslims under Shira law can't openly have an opinion on their interpretation,they can't choose not to follow or leave Islam. To say Islam doesn't breed violence and hatred of Jews is crap. The Quran goes on and on about non believers, between calling them losers,animals, accusations of corruption, punishment, subjugation, forever hellfire... All religions have a dark history with disturbing text but Islam is the only one that's never evolved to a point of allowing basic human rights.
@@khubza8999 considering the dude has an audience ig it could be considered dahwa so he's allowed to lie...
Everything you said indicates that you don't know anything about Islam, except for the orientalism tropes perroted by islamophobes.
Just watch old video debates between Reza and Sam Harris. Harris has his issues, but these old debates are great and show what kind of person Reza is.
At last Islam is being talked about and critically analysed in millions of houses across the world. The internet is the silver bullet for exposing the darkness and the endless contradictions in the Islamic scriptures. How can the 'prophet' Muhammed be considered the "perfect example" for humans for all time? #Sunnah
reza ; what hamas did to the israelis on 10/7 is written in the quoran ...............
surah 33/26 , and those of the people of the scripture , who backed them ( christians ) , Allah brought them down from their forts ( houses ) and cast terror into their hearts ( suffering ) , a group you killed and a group you made captives ...............
this has been happening today , today , today .................
The genocide the israel is committing is written in the Bible I guess
Absolutely.
34:55 peaceful verses were abrogated by the later violent verses…allah kept changing his mind or whatever suited mohammed at that time.
Sir Douglas Murray's note:
You are the sentinel-God of the human experience of Reality. 010
REZA YOU TAQIYA 🙈
Rezvan was perfect Muslim, the debate became about the Bible and Christianity is antisemetic?! Islam was not addressed!😀
Not just Islam, but the other major Abrahamic one as well.
the quran included the story of the 7 sleepers of ephysys so that maks the mu5lim god lah. the moon god a plagirist....
What is a Semite first of all ?
Then who defines Antisemitism and why should we the rest of the world except the standardisation?
You can call it irrational Jew-hatred instead, if that makes you happy.
@@shmuelaryehkoltov241 what is a semite ?
Who defines Antisemitism?
Can i get a straight answer please anyone
@@ibrahimsd8995 I mean, you could just use Google, you'll get all the answers you want that way faster than any of us can type it out for you. I just have a feeling that you're asking in bad faith, so... Define it however you feel like, who cares. You're a random person on the internet who wants to be able to hate Jews without being called "antisemitic". Go for it, buddy.
@@shmuelaryehkoltov241 The Canaanites were Semites, with origins which lay in the Arabian Desert. Semitic-speakers formed a sub-group of the Afro-Asiatic language family which includes Hebrew (Israelites), Aramaic (Aramaeans), Arabic (Arabs), and Amharic (Ethiopians).
Thats a start who cornered it down to one and why ?
Yes most definitely yes!
I reject the very premise of the question, which stokes hatred by making the colonizing aggressor look like the victim and uses religion as both a weapon and a shield
Worse than the question under debate, is that Islam inherently devalues ALL beautiful human life, this conclusion based on questions I have put to adherents of Islam.
Cristian amd jeesbare atleast given options to live. Hindus bhuddhist otger religion are just slautered. Ex Indonesia.
Is sugar sweet?
Gosh , this topic isn’t even worth debating. It’s the answer is so obviously yes Islam is anti-Semitic this there’s nothing to prove here. There’s nothing to debate that the whole debate is a straw man. Yes Islam is definitely antisemitic and anyone who says otherwise is gaslighting.
SAHAR的問題問得太好了，直接把磚家打倒在地，看看他的表情，哈哈。
Antes de llegar el islam se profesaba judaismo cristianismo en la tierra arabiga 600años después llegó el islam muchos se convirtieron y otros simularon con el islam muchos aceptaron en definitiva las personas buscan caminos de bien tanto el judaismo y islam puede encontrarse contradicciones
First of all let's agree on who is a semite. Are people from Poland and Eastern Europe semites.
if their ancestors (aka their DNA) were jews expelled from Judea at some point in history, then yes. just like if a person's ancestors were african but they lived in the US for generations they would be called afro americans.
@@noammkw3770 then let them agree to DNA test.
Secondly he is saying Islam is antisemitic when the Zionists are trying to use the Bible as title deed to justify the occupation of Palestine .
Thank you.. it seems that someone by the name of saeed will always try to deny Jewish ancestry.. proof that islam is antisemitic.@noammkw3770
@@noammkw3770 Thank you.. it seems that someone by the name of saeed will always try to deny Jewish ancestry.. proof that islam is antisemitic.
@@noammkw3770Thank you.. it seems that someone by the name of saeed will always try to deny Jewish ancestry.. proof that islam is antisemitic.
Well i see the point of the defender
But i also see outcome of regulated manipulations
Islam by default is unti anything not islam
Jeudaism is the same ..
But
As you mentioned
Islam is 1 billion people
Jewdaism is approximately 15 milion
Its 100 times bigger
So same level of defined statistics
2-4% of jews are utra aggressive religious people
Its about .. 100000 people
While 2-4% of islamic people is … 10000000 people
Its more then israelies all together
Thats about it
The rest are mostly secular on both sides
So yes
Evaluating the jews islamofobia
Is very based
And real existential threat
Also europ
Is also split
2-6% support annihilation of jews even today
And those are about 30000000 people that are radical
So
Even considering the entire world
Jew haters are 40000000 - 120000000
Radical world wide
And its undervaluation by far
In such conditions
The bare existence of jews is an endless survival
And a choice
Be a slave
(Gimny or something)
Or fight with all they got
To maintain a society
are bible anti semetic?
Anti semitic by defenition is “Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”
So bible didn't incite hate to jewish people.
@@askywa are talmud antisemetic?
@@jamalalafgani1137 is Qur'an anti Muslim?
@@jamalalafgani1137 is Qur'an anti Muslim?
Jesus is talking to "poor Palestinian Jews"? 😂😂😂 It was named Israel and Palestine didn't exist. Jews know what side you're on obviously 🙄
May his blood be upon us...
His blood is the saving blood of Christ. Jesus was a jew so it cant be because of being jewish.
So disingenuous.
Muhammad at first thought that the Jews would adopt his new religion. This is why he started with prayer towards Jerusalem, in an attempt to attract new converts. When the Jews rejected his teachings saying he’s just copy and pasting their own religion, he turned violent against them. From there on it was absolutely force conversion, and Jerusalem was no longer a holy place - only Mecca and Madina were.
Muhammad didn’t “marry” Jewish women or “encourage” his followers to intermarry with Jews. He took Jewish women from Jewish tribes he conquered and turned them into you know what but I won’t say it so YT doesn’t delete this post. Other wives of Jewish descent were converts to Islam.
Jews are commanded to reject false prophets.
Moses is mentioned in the Quran 136 times, Jesus 25 times, and Prophet Muhammad 4 times. Abraham (Ibrahim) is mentioned 69 times. They hold the highest status of prophethood. The children of Israel (Jews) are revered by God so much that He sent them hundreds of prophets. God pleads with them to turn back to the truth because He has such affinity for the children of Israel.
Moses is mentioned in the Quran 136 times, Jesus 25 times, and Prophet Muhammad 4 times. Abraham (Ibrahim) is mentioned 69 times. They hold the highest status of prophethood. The children of Israel (Jews) are revered by God so much that He sent them hundreds of prophets. God pleads with them to turn back to the truth because He has such affinity for the children of Israel. I'm still confused. How is Islam anti-Semitic? Ninety-nine percent of Muslim prophets are Jews, except for one or two. You would have to be very ignorant to think otherwise. The issues are political; Muslims didn't create the situation, some Jews did. The irony is that the Quran lays out that they would do this to the Muslims.
All prophet was jews but Muhammad is not jew. Just prove to us one is off
@@askywa I don’t know how Europeans co-opted these two Middle Eastern religions. Islam, as the third update from one God, shares the lineage of Abraham’s sons, Isaac and Ishmael-they are practically brothers. Islam charges that Jews and Christians changed their scriptures, yet the Quran reveres righteous Jews and Christians.
@@SuperAmir2011 did you fight your brother?
@@askywa Stay away, you pest. It's none of your business. Stop trying to hijack our history and religion, and stop trying to insert yourself into it. You most likely aren't Semitic and have nothing to do with Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael.
@@SuperAmir2011 by “righteous Jews”, I guess you mean Jews who become Muslims. After all, Abraham was a Muslim, Isaac was a Muslim, Moses was a Muslim, etc. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.
So what if it is
Hard to criticise Anti-Muslim bigotry when you are fine with a major religion being Anti-Semetic.
@@apartfromtheobvious7783 throw your censorship in the bin. You only how to censor and label people
Ah yes, Jews had to pay a hefty extra tax and weren't allowed to ride horses or carry arms or build new synagogues as just compensation for the Muslims who were so busy protecting them from...the Christians. All throughout the Muslim world. That makes so much sense. Thank you, Reza.
Islam is semetic by ancestry. Both curcumcise and come from an Abrahamic sources. They are more similar to eachother than they are to Europeans.
Arabs existed before Abraham. You no prove that Mohammed came from Abraham since not all Arabs decend from Abraham.
Islam doesn't come from an Abrahamic source. Muhammad's family were pagans. He knew so little about Judaism that they were able to trick him into adding a children's story and parts of the Talmud to his Quran.
What a stupid & unserious prompt, do better.
Why is it unserious? Seems like an important issue.
What a stupid & unserious comment. Not sure if you can do better.
No shared values. Islamic countries value honor, not ethics.
The golden age of the Jewish Diaspora was in Islamic Spain claimd by many Jewish Raabis
There is no necessity of context Mohammed is TRUE for allt times
We need a muslim in the debate. The word of Allah is being scandalized in this debate.
the word of allah was always a scandal.
Reza Aslan is Muslim from birth, so he was your "muslim [sic] in the debate."
I suggest an ex muslim.
Not only is Islam racist(antisemitic) it also inherently devalues beautiful human life