Introduction to High Power Rocket Level 1 Certification
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- Опубликовано: 4 апр 2011
- www.ApogeeRockets.com - So you're thinking about getting your High-Power Level 1 Certification? Excellent. There are many good reasons to get it, besides it being a lot of fun. In this week's video, I'll go over some of the most frequently asked questions that we receive from flyers as they come to us for advice on which kit to get. I'm sure this information will be useful to you if you already have a Level 1 certification, because you'll be able to pass it on to those you mentor.
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It might not be a bad idea to remake this video for 2020. The Super DX 3 and other recommended rockets aren't available. Subscribed
1,000th like! Love how most of a certification is a social status among groups 😂
Don't you need it to buy the engines too?
Tim, you're a great ambassador for the hobby and I wish half the retailers of the world had your integrity and character.
Thanks! :-)
Tim, your videos are so well done and informative. Looks like more than 67,000 people agree. Thanks for shooting and sharing and keep 'em coming.
Thanks for the support, and thanks for watching. :-)
I came back to watch again. Really impressed by your videos and all the info on your website. Tons of info right on the page with your Zephyr rocket. Can't wait for you to get those back in stock so I can start building a level 1 cert rocket. Very impressed by the kit. I'm checking local hobby stores to see if any of them carry high power rockets so I can look at some stuff in person. I may have to go 20 or 30 miles across KC Metro area to go to one though. Currently building low power kits and I have one mid power to build and keep me busy. 🚀
In 14 and certified Jr. L1 with a CTI h120 red lightning. My rocket flew very straight. Great video!
Can you help me?
@@nateweiner9909 what do you need little bro
I am 11 and trying to make a model rocket with friends. I bet it will fail lol
I'm not into model rockets (right now!) but I really like how you've presented this and I respect how much you've informed me!
Thanks :)
No problem, thanks for watching.
Love to see this remade, just getting into this!!
I ordered super dx3. Thanks for the tips!!
Another great video Tim!
I got my level 1 certification with the Madcow Torrent on an I-223 skidmark AND dual deploy with the Stratologger altimeter.....perfect flight......drogue popped at apogee then the main at 700 feet......only a 20 yard walk to recover.....flew to almost 2800 feet.
Sounds perfect if you only had to walk 20 feet. Congratulations!
@@apogeerockets thanks......and I pretty much built the kit using your video instructions that Erin Card did
Awesome video and very informative!
Just getting into the sport and I'm absolutely loving all your videos, they've been super helpful and informative.
Great video I’m just getting back into rockets
Great videos, your stuff is so helpful and right to the point....I was listening to your comment about the choice of Fin material, but I thought the requirements in the Level 1 license were that the rocket must have 1/4" wood. Or is that an optional thing ?
This video inspirited me to get my Level-One certification last Saturday.
Great! Congratulations on your successful launch!
Super cool,Super informative 👌
i tought peoples build their own solid state motor, at last i would, if i try it one day.
Thanks for the video
Yes...three certification levels. A "high-powered rocket" is one with a mass greater than 1500 grams (weighs more than about 14.7 Newtons), and the formal certification levels are based on the size of the motor that powers the rocket: Level 1 (H, I), level 2 (J, K, L) and level 3 (M, N, O). The size H engine/motor total thrust is 160.01 - 320 Newton-seconds, and the subsequent levels basically double after that. Check out NFPA 1127 for more definitions and regulations.
Nice!👍
It's like a driven license ^^ Just to see if you understand all the things about pyrotechny/rocketry
rules of safety etc...
I just recently bought an Aerotech SUMO. I just completed it. It stand 39” tall and has a 4” diameter. I am new to the hobby, although I have launched 2 much smaller model rockets a long time ago. Does anyone know exactly what model I have built? If so, should I use a “G” or an “H” engine and what type of launch pad should I purchase since it is rather large? I was unable to find videos of someone assembling my exact model and I had some trouble assembling the Aerotech SUMO, because the instructions were not the clearest and neither were any of the illustrations. I feel like I did some steps incorrectly such as the “piston” thingy and the shock cord and parachute installation, which are very important since I want it survive at least one launch and landing. Any help or guidance is much appreciated! Thank you. I need a decent amount of help and I want to make sure everything is all good with the assembly and engines before I blast it off.
Awesome
Thanks, but I posted the question when I first started water rocketry. I didn't know much 6 months ago. :)
I'm 12 and I made a 3 engine cluster D and C11 engines 4"6'
Awesome!
It's a bummer that I've never even launched a model rocket of any kind.
3 years ago
@@SkittlesScott how are you doing with rockets now?
@@cubecomber9162 I still have them I just don’t use them anymore
Huh, I didn't even know rockets HAD certifications at a certain point (Estes rockets where about as far as I ever got.) I assume that the 'E' and 'G' are listed in order of size, like Estes A, B, C, D, ect.
your videos are so informative. I made 4" rocket engine have 6mm throat and when it ignite then it was burst very dangerously. so guide us for making throat
We don't have information on making rocket engines. What you experienced with your bursting motor is exactly why we recommend people buy motors made by professionals. Sorry. I don't know where you can buy motors in your country.
Use upswept fins like that super DX3 so they wont break off on a hard landing.
And thats why they have different propellant types so you can get the launch speed you want/need.
Shorten your delay on windy days where you are not going straight/verticle
I just experienced the problem with not taking advice and what it may cost you … I built a wildman dark star flew it on a I 280 dm at 4000 ‘ plus she was gone from sight and no recovery was made. No certification no machine to fly again ! I live in Vegas and took a gamble 🙁Oct we will try again low and slow. I will be starting a new build here in a few weeks
are there only three certifications or are there more?
Hey Tim, at 6:07 in this video you mention another video on how to remove the spring engine clips... I've scoured the advanced construction videos list and I can't see any that contain steps for removing those hooks. What's the actual title? Or could you link to it here on RUclips? Thanks!
You need to remove it from the kit (the collection of unbuilt parts), prior to building the model. Then, you need to add back a new retention device. For that, you can see ruclips.net/video/22qVZtNb8e8/видео.html.
If you have to remove the engine mount entirely, that is major surgery. You'll have to remove the rings from inside the rocket, and that is tough. There is a good chance of damaging the rocket. Be careful when you do it. See the other video at: ruclips.net/video/QJi-hum2B0Y/видео.html
awww rats... I was hoping when Tim said you needed to remove it, that he had some method of removing it from an already built rocket... not just skipping it in the build in the first place. :)
Guess I'm back to the Dremmel removal plan....
I understand more by apogee
Please make very detailed video on rocket staging
There's really very less info about that online
Or plz give the link if I missed it
We have information at: www.apogeerockets.com/Tech/How_2-Stage_Rockets_Work
yeah dude this guys comments are just a hoot, he is all over rocketry videos on youtube.
what the diameter of the body and mmt tube shuld i use ?
This is probably a silly question, but my silly question still. Can a level 1 certification allow liquid/ Compressed Gas propellant Rockets?
Maybe. As long as the motor is commercially made and available to everyone, and has been through safety certification by the NAR, CAR or Tripoli. There are some hybrid motors that might be allowed (which use compressed gas).
How much experience should you typically have going into your hpr lvl 1 cert? How many launches do typically have going into their hpr lvl 1?
Remember that certification is a "safety training" process. So your question in my mind is: "how long does it take to prove a person is taking all the right precautions to be safe?" This is a difficult one to answer with a number. It depends more on the person. Everyone, and I mean 'everyone' assumes that what they are doing is safe. It is like asking a person: "do you think you're smart?" Of course you're going to say "Y-E-S." Personally, I think experence plays a big part in safety training. You can't go wrong by building up a high number of number of flights. How many flights did NASA have to go through before they felt confident enough to put a man on top of the rocket?
haha Fantastic point, thank you for the reply! Appreciate it.
When I was young I did not need no certification to build a rocket that I built I lost three of them because they went so high up you couldn't see him no more so I don't need certification to be able to be on my own
Can water rockets be certified?
how would I go about firing off a two stage rocket . And why is necessary to have the rocket stay in one piece on return.
See our animation on 2-stage rockets at: www.apogeerockets.com/Tech/How_2-Stage_Rockets_Work. It is not necessary for the rocket to come back in one piece. It is just more convenient that way, since you only have to track down a single piece.
9:49 claims 550’ but the link to their site says 40’. Pretty big difference.
Is using an h motor in a bt-60 (41.6mm) sized rocket a good idea?
Nope, sorry.
Is there a minimum engine size for level 1? G size or H? Other than build the rocket yourself and launch and recover without needing repair is there anything else?
H-size is the minimum. For other information, see: www.apogeerockets.com/High-Power-Rocketry-Certification
Appreciate it
Do i have to be over 18 years old to get a level one certification
Nope! If you're under 18, but older than 14, then you can get a Junior Level 1 Cert, which lets you fly H and I motors.
Informative ' im an outlier no rocketers by me, I'm on my own
How old do you have to be for a level 1 cert?
See the NAR website at: www.nar.org/high-power-rocketry-info/
Do you need a minimum rocket thrust to attempt a level 1 certification? What are the requirements for a level one certification?
The requirements depends on who you plan on certifying with (NAR or Tripoli)
In essence, you must do your attempt on an H or an I motor in order to get certification. There are a few differences between NAR and Tripoli (Example: NAR allows clusters as long as at least one motor is an H, Tripoli does not)
Also once you cert with one association, you can roll over your cert to the other later should you decide to join both.
+Tanarin should I do a homemade two stage, homemade one stage or bought rocket for my level one also should I use a homemade engine
In my experience, with NAR launches, the motors have to be NAR certified. I attended my first launch with a homemade sugar motor and they told me they don't allow experimental motors
That is correct. Because of the liability insurance requirements, the NAR does not allow experimental (home-made) motors at their launches. It isn't to limit your fun. It just means you have to be creative in new ways instead of trying to come up with a new formulation of propellant.
There is at least one club that I know of that does allow experimental propellant, and that is the Maryland Delaware Rocketry Association (MDRA). I don't know if that is a Tripoli thing, or if only certain Tripoli clubs allow it. Also, it is my understanding that experimenting with new composite propellants is not only extremely difficult, but very expensive if you mess up. I have experimented with dry-packing sugar-based propellant to make E motors, but those don't provide nearly as much kick as composite fuel, and in my experience, the nozzle blows apart very often causing an instant pressure drop and loss in thrust
What kind of certification do I need to strap a big rocket to my RC car and try to jump my house?
I'm not sure about your locality. You better check with your city Fire Marshal.
@@apogeerockets You know that was a joke right? I'm not going to ask anyone's permission just so they can whine at me how about it maybe being dangerous
what is the biggest motor i can use WITHOUT a class 1 certificate!?
Technically an "H Motor" or higher requires a certification. For a more detailed explanation the NAR provides a description of the requirements on their webpage here: www.nar.org/high-power-rocketry-info/
That would be a motor called a "G80." If the letter in the name-designation is an H or higher, it is automatically a high power motor. Additionally, if the number after the letter is greater than 80, it is also classified as being high power. So the G80 is the biggest one you can get without going through the certification process.
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G-80 composite motor
Can any body answer me....which material are used to make motor frame ......?
A bit of cardboard tube would do. But I'd say buy motors rather than make them.
Watched 5 minutes and the requirements for level 1 certification were not mentioned.
This comes across like a sales pitch for a couple different rockets. Good vibe though.
What if you are far away from the people who tell you if you pass the certification?
There is NO option for self-certification. People further out in no-man's land than you have travelled to get certified. You can too if you want it badly enough.
@@apogeerockets I actually found a club very near me. Thanks for the helpful videos by the way!
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i have very good aerotech motor rocket with my model rocket and R/C model vehicle
It shouldn't be about status or being approved of. It should be about Pride of Accomplishment! Otherwise you're just looking for a ticket to survive.
Can you put certification on a resume? or does it not hold any merit?
I suppose you can put anything on a resume. It may hold merit, but it depends on the person you're presenting the resume to. Always know your audience.
We don't need no stinking badges !😁
Can you lose your certification???
If a person had to many if a person had too many failures...and it was there building skills
Yes. Just stop paying your dues to NAR or Tripoli.
Where do i buy one of these hi power rocket kits..i pretty much mastered all the estes kits
try our website at www.ApogeeRockets.com
wanna become certified whats a grain and why is it important?
The grain is a single piece of propellant in a solid rocket motor, regardless of size. It's important because it's what makes your rocket fly.
Grain is a unit of weight used to measure propellant. It is 1/7000 of a pound
What size of electronics Bay do I need for a 54 mm rocket?
You'll need a 54mm Electronics Bay. We have on on our web site at: www.apogeerockets.com/Electronics_Payloads/Electronic_Bays/54mm_Blue_Ebay
your family going to look at differant yeah "there goes the nut case"
Lol My Family didn't accept me but once I launched a high powered rocket in the bedroom when they where sleeping, they knew I wasn't playing around.
10 year old video or so and a great dude very knowledgeable truly. Laugh it up man just say it..if you go too high and lose ur shit ur fucked😀 good video just kidding 😂🤙
Is level 3the highest?
Yes. In model rocketry, anyway.
I'm 13 could I get a certified level 1?
You can get high power certified when you are 16 years old. It is called a Junior certification, because you still need an adult to stand by your side.
You need to be at least 14 to qualify for the Junior High Power Participation Program. You would also need an adult to help you purchase the motors required as there is age limits on those as well. Here's more info on the NAR page: www.nar.org/high-power-rocketry-info/formal-participation-procedure/
when i will get certified you will get money
Do you recommend I put an H motor in a Nike smoke from Esets
I think you should put it on one of our rocket kits that we sell. But if you want to, the Esets kit might work.
If you go to our website and select the applicable kit then we have a motor chart with the recommended motors listed. For the Cosmodrome Nike Smoke that we sell we do not have an "H" motor listed. For the Estes kit you would need to search through their product page and or instructions for their recommendations.
People have used Estes Pro Series Builder kits for L1 certification. But they build them stronger in order to handle an H engine.
sounds expensive enough to put me off before I start lol
It is a horribly expensive, over-priced hobby and there is no reason for it except for the greed of people who make these model kits.
It is my hummble opinion that a motor is reusable , to be called "motor" we must be able to reuse the device itself
how much is it for the certification ?
You have to join either the NAR.org or Tripoli.org. You can check their membership rates on their websites.
Internet is awesome.
#hotnozzlesummer
+Jack Benner no you don't
well you have to have an adult aka dad, mom, team member.
Got to have certs for drones. Got to have certs for rockets. When I used to do this stuff, there were no certs. You had rc plane, rc heilos, rc boats, rc cars. Model rockets of all sizes and motor combinations. My brother built a 7 1/2 ft rocket, 2 stage, went well over a mile high. Nobody cared. What the hell happened? Gee, I know; Dems, al queda, and isis. In that order!
Ummmm....
When you get your certification, you're now a full-fledged member of Tim's sausage fest....
I don't know why you are being sarcastic. Apogee produces a LOT of videos that they make available for free. They don't just sell, they market and support their products. What other vendor has live chat available. I don't buy everything from Apogee but for high power they have nearly everything I need.
Aren't licences just a legal way to collect a tax or fee to allow someone to do something or for a select few to control that activity????? Just because a person has a little piece of paper saying they 'know the rules' does not make them more knowledgable or safer. Some of the most dangerous, cocky and 'stupid' people are the ones with licenses to do something. At the rate things are going in this country, it won't be long before we have to have a license to live, eat, breath, sleep or just to exist.
That is an interesting perspective. I wonder how you would create a system to keep the hobby safe, so that the government doesn't step in and gets really heavy-handed, like they did with RC drones?
these guys are always sold out on there website .....everything you look at is sold out sold out ...found a better and more reliable source online I don't purchase from these guys anymore
Our apologies for being sold out. The problem is our vendors can't keep up with our demand. We always order months before we thing we'll sell out, but the suppliers don't seem to fill orders quick enough. We are doing more and more production in house, because of this problem. Those items with the Apogee brand on them are the ones we control, and you'll notice they are rarely out of stock.
If an item is out of stock you can sign up for an email alert. If Madcow or any other vendor is out of stock Apogee is at their mercy. That advantage of purchasing from Apogee is that you can get all the components you need at one place. If you have any questions you can get immediate answers from their live chat.
sounds expensive enough to put me off before I start lol
No need to add LOL to your post. If your post is actually funny or humorous people will pick up on that. I will agree with you that it does sound expensive.
Lol
Raoflmfao
Smoking and drinking is expensive.
Richard Jones making my own rocket and engine. Very successful testing so far. It may certified me first launch