poppy is a situational champion, you can't blind pick her, or you will get counter picked by non jump/dash champs that can simply run her down, like trundle, darius, morde, she had that winrate because she is only played in games where she pick after her opponent and the enemy team has atleast 2 or 3 champs that have some kind of dash
@@alsldoekd He did even list her counters and there are many more like Kennen, Vladimir, Singed. Gnar is something you can safe blindpick def not poppy.
I thought poppy was a counter to dash champs too, the yone just ran me down with lethal tempo after he bounced off my block while still throwing me in the air , also i loved the intercation with my ulti and his ulti. 😂
Here's a question for everyone. Is it better to nerf a champion who is showcasing super high winrates BECAUSE they counter meta choices OR nerf the champions that are CAUSING the pick? Personally I feel that the traditional approach has been to nerf the counters to meta due to the seeming overpowered appearance with no regard to why they showed up in the first place. For example the 'Four Horsewomen of Top Lane' have seen little in the way of nerfs but every single 'OP' champion recently that has been nerfed have just so happened to be really, really good into them. And I suspect that if you follow the trend of top lane balancing you'll find a suspicious consistency in who is nerfed vs their effectiveness against whatever is meta or always picked top.
It depends if a champ is only that good because of the fact that he counters the meta or if he is strong anyways and the meta only is in his favor cause he counters it.
Out of topic, but applying Alois' fundamentals in midlane is actually overpowered. Most midlaners just know their champion combos and smash their faces on their keyboard. Abusing fundamentals like level up timers makes the game so much easier to play in midlane than in toplane.
@@derultnerlp9319 Best if you have both, imo mechanics are far more reliably improved you just go into practice tool practice kiting, positioning combos for 20 min straight every single day you improve massively, however fundamentals you really need to pay attention and have a clear mind to improve and not tilt
tbh a good fiora even bashes a poppy she can q+w into poppy w for guaranteed stun. poppy seems alot more favored on certain matchups on paper than she rly is imo
Poppy doesn't need any nerfs. She's been the same champ she's always been. The Meta shifts into something that poppy plays against. People need to understand counter champion's exist. Much similar to vex also countering dashes. Change the Meta (arguably worse) then poppy.
So when its adcs meta dont touch the assasins?ye the team who can oneshoot the adc first win the team fight .. its the same thing .. every champ with 62wr should be nerfed
@@overower1690 we literally are at the "one shot the adc" meta and nobody cares. What are kha zix and rengar meta for, otherwise? Poppy's huge wr is probably because one shotters only know how to mash keyboard, and when there's a champ stopping them, they become lesser supports.
@@overower1690 I mean when it's adc meta, you play champs to counter it. Assassin's win into adcs, Tanks win into assassins, etc. Leauge is like rock paper scissors. Learn to counter and play against metas and comps.
@@nsum2885 she got buffed 2 months ago, and it was a relatively average buff. She counters the current meta. Of course she's going to be strong. For a while she was irrelevant. Now that her kits useful, you want to bury her down. Her average winrate is 51. She's fine.
lmao this guy doesnt realize that no one plays poppy anymore. shes barely ever played so thats part of the reason her wr is so high. its a small percentage smh.
skirmishes players are so fucking entitled I swear. "this situational counterpick is doing well because my class is bullshit that's suffocating the meta. one answer is too much, nerf this shit"
@@nicodamus6895 this guy a top laner who doesnt main poppy that wants poppy nerfed. make a shorts with a skewed winrate to try to get his point across. no she does not need to be nerfed. she gets ran down by quite a few champs.
@@leoli1589 not like she has only has one damaging ability in her kit, if you position yourself properly her e barely does any damage it needs to hit a wall to do good damage other ways you reduce it to half the damage and that goes the same way to q if you simply step out of it before it explodes, someone pretty similar would be sett his e barely feels important if it doesn't stun but just pulling someone is enough to hit your 2 autos and 2 qs if he gets in range to attack once he is gonna attack you two times his %hp physical damage cannot be dodged but you complain of the one that can be dodged and requires a condition to hit the two times, stunning with e allows that but e needs a condition too that the enemy is between a wall and you, w requires that an enemy jumps on you or to something/someone inside your w
She doesn't need nerf. The ones need nerfs are the ones that poppy can counter cause those champion are too op that's why they're being used all the time.
@@izee4814 how cute of you and your childish anime pfp to say that I should grow up, when youre the one using "who asked", which is worthwise the equivalent of "your mom" jokes. That alone speaks for itself. This conversation is over kid.
Well she’s naturally tanky, has a point and click shield toss, a point and kick knock back that can stun for up to 3 seconds and deal tons of damage and an anti-skill button in the form of her aoe. She’s a bit to consistent and a bit to safe. Maybe if half her kit weren’t uncounterable point and clicks 🤔
Winrate does not mean anything, its not important at all. Winning a game does not lie on one person's performance, there are many factors. Winrate is very unimportant.
@@AloisNLBruh you openly admitted it's based on meta, not because she's actually strong. She simply counters the champs most people are playing, including your braindead broken champion.
Winrate is not the perfect measure for how strong a champ is, but it's pretty damn close to it. It's only not a perfect indicator because of a few biases like : - if a champ is a good blind or flex pick, his winrate will be a little lower because he will often be blind picked and hence countered more often. Doesn't mean it's a weaker champ at all. (Sion gragas ornn malph kennen and tanks in general) - if a champ is hard to learn or master, its WR will drop in low/mid elo (yas yone riven azir ryze) - champions that lower to mid elo players don't know how to play against or that higher elos know how to counter will have an inflated WR from lower to mid elo (teemo, quinn, kennen or any range top, Darius ilaoi urgot nasus garen morde) - if a champ catters to better players or is often played by OTPs, its WR will increase, it will hence be made weaker than it should be - if a champ snowballs hard from bad ennemy mistakes, its WR will be inflated in lower elos because higher elo players are less likely to make such mistakes (yi, Darius, pantheon, kled) - champions with low pickrates have inflated elos because noone knows how to play against them, or have less experience than against other champs And so on... Pick rates, blind pick rates, the number of positive/negative match ups, synergies with other champs, skill floor and ceiling, general player level on a specific champ, snowball potential etc. , added in the equation with WR, are all parameters that could help evaluate how strong a champ is, but WR is still a pretty good indicator and definitely not irrelevant.
i m a poppy main top lane and i have defeated darius, nasus, teemo, gnar, voli,sett too many times ..i build spirit visage against darius early with conquerer rune on her she can solo face any champ..few counters her like udry only because he keeps on stunning . and i blind pick her everytime and also killing fiora solo is fun also with yasuo
poppy is a situational champion, you can't blind pick her, or you will get counter picked by non jump/dash champs that can simply run her down, like trundle, darius, morde, she had that winrate because she is only played in games where she pick after her opponent and the enemy team has atleast 2 or 3 champs that have some kind of dash
You can blind poppy lol
@@alsldoekd He did even list her counters and there are many more like Kennen, Vladimir, Singed. Gnar is something you can safe blindpick def not poppy.
Riot creating every champion to have dash: 🗿💀
@@alsldoekd you are definetly blind if you commented that... didnt you read the examples of her counters?
As a poppy main i can agree that playing vs Darius of Rumble is kinda Hard but beyond that its pretty easy, i blind pick her a lot too 😂
I thought poppy was a counter to dash champs too, the yone just ran me down with lethal tempo after he bounced off my block while still throwing me in the air , also i loved the intercation with my ulti and his ulti. 😂
Here's a question for everyone. Is it better to nerf a champion who is showcasing super high winrates BECAUSE they counter meta choices OR nerf the champions that are CAUSING the pick?
Personally I feel that the traditional approach has been to nerf the counters to meta due to the seeming overpowered appearance with no regard to why they showed up in the first place. For example the 'Four Horsewomen of Top Lane' have seen little in the way of nerfs but every single 'OP' champion recently that has been nerfed have just so happened to be really, really good into them. And I suspect that if you follow the trend of top lane balancing you'll find a suspicious consistency in who is nerfed vs their effectiveness against whatever is meta or always picked top.
It depends if a champ is only that good because of the fact that he counters the meta or if he is strong anyways and the meta only is in his favor cause he counters it.
nerf the meta
Out of topic, but applying Alois' fundamentals in midlane is actually overpowered. Most midlaners just know their champion combos and smash their faces on their keyboard. Abusing fundamentals like level up timers makes the game so much easier to play in midlane than in toplane.
Fundamentals apply to every lane!
Obviously…. You can have 0 mechanics and still dominate.
@@derultnerlp9319 Best if you have both, imo mechanics are far more reliably improved you just go into practice tool practice kiting, positioning combos for 20 min straight every single day you improve massively, however fundamentals you really need to pay attention and have a clear mind to improve and not tilt
@@NarutoUzomaki65 mechanics win you matchups, macro wins you game.
@@derultnerlp9319 Mechanics also win you teamfights, which is how it usually goes down when opting for an objective.
just because she counter every single meta champion 、doesn't mean she is broken in every scenario.
No one is broken in every scenario
@@estoyaqui257 there is. ADC main braincells always broken. No matter how broken ADC item, they keep complaining 😂
@@gandahk416 Fr😂
@@gandahk416 I know you are using humor. But do you agree with my statement tho?
@@estoyaqui257 I agree 👍, but Poppy don't deserve to be nerfed.
now she's with 53.38%
Poppy is just a solid counter pick champ
As a poppy main I have to say: no pls don't
The WR réaction :D
"poppy is the #1 toplane in the patch and I'm gonna show you why" *start typing rule3...*
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FOUR!
HAHA
Because challenger sample is so low that she reaches absurd 64% 😂
Also great in support role for similar reasons
Never saw a Poppy win against Fiora
go watch vizicsacsi vs potent fiora vods then, he literally always piss stomps potent's fiora as poppy, and he can do nothing about it
The vast majority of poppy players, especially in low elo, are terrible.
Lol why nerf poppy and keep the toplane stale as fuck like an unseasoned soup. I wish they buff underdogs and make new team combos etc
tbh a good fiora even bashes a poppy she can q+w into poppy w for guaranteed stun. poppy seems alot more favored on certain matchups on paper than she rly is imo
Poppy doesn't need any nerfs. She's been the same champ she's always been. The Meta shifts into something that poppy plays against. People need to understand counter champion's exist. Much similar to vex also countering dashes. Change the Meta (arguably worse) then poppy.
So when its adcs meta dont touch the assasins?ye the team who can oneshoot the adc first win the team fight .. its the same thing .. every champ with 62wr should be nerfed
@@overower1690 we literally are at the "one shot the adc" meta and nobody cares.
What are kha zix and rengar meta for, otherwise?
Poppy's huge wr is probably because one shotters only know how to mash keyboard, and when there's a champ stopping them, they become lesser supports.
@@overower1690 I mean when it's adc meta, you play champs to counter it. Assassin's win into adcs, Tanks win into assassins, etc. Leauge is like rock paper scissors. Learn to counter and play against metas and comps.
She got buffed while already strong. The meta isn’t what’s making her op, she is just overtuned rn
@@nsum2885 she got buffed 2 months ago, and it was a relatively average buff. She counters the current meta. Of course she's going to be strong. For a while she was irrelevant. Now that her kits useful, you want to bury her down. Her average winrate is 51. She's fine.
Nah she's good at least she's balanced
I too find it balanced when i get bursted down by a tank that deactivated my character for the entire duration
@@cowboyslime3615Because you foolishly stood next to a wall?
@@cowboyslime3615 lol learn to kite or play something that can take a hit
@@kianshah1219 i play renekton
@@cowboyslime3615 me too i main renekton and udyr and I still think she is a balance counter to my champs just try to out play her by baiting her w
Nasus is broken now. You should try him out
This winrate because she always counterpick vs some dash user
lmao this guy doesnt realize that no one plays poppy anymore. shes barely ever played so thats part of the reason her wr is so high. its a small percentage smh.
0.03% of the players barely win 2 games out of 3 picking poppy for a few days : toplaner goes nuts ... some things will never change 😂
leave my girl alone
skirmishes players are so fucking entitled I swear. "this situational counterpick is doing well because my class is bullshit that's suffocating the meta. one answer is too much, nerf this shit"
She was really kept in line by Olaf and Gp when both of those were broken and they buffed her randomly. Then they nerfed her counters
Gp just keeps everyone inline
Olar GP Trundle Darius Morde.
You can stomp her with any meta Top layer that's a true juggernaut with no dashes
@@flakgun153 She goes positive against Trundle and morde
So if they are her counters it means she should be nerfed
She literally cannot be blind picked ever
I’m pretty sure that 64% win rate didn’t come from “very situational matchups where Poppy got to counterpick enemy top laner”.
@@nicodamus6895 why not?
@@nicodamus6895 this guy a top laner who doesnt main poppy that wants poppy nerfed. make a shorts with a skewed winrate to try to get his point across.
no she does not need to be nerfed. she gets ran down by quite a few champs.
@@Teddy-se8qb Yeah I'm sure her 64% win rate definitely means she's weak. 👍🏻
@@nicodamus6895 yeah 64% winrate for a day or 2. riven mains something else.
This is false Neeko is the best in every lane
bro got pulmonary emphysema when he saw the 64%-win rate and doesn't even smoke lol
She's not broken, and im otp Poppy for almost year and a half now, and the new map is alrredy an undeserved nerf to her
I tried playing poppy top. But she just feels. So clunky lol.
You play her because or her w and her broken % max health physical damage on q.
skill issue
@@leoli1589 not like she has only has one damaging ability in her kit, if you position yourself properly her e barely does any damage it needs to hit a wall to do good damage other ways you reduce it to half the damage and that goes the same way to q if you simply step out of it before it explodes, someone pretty similar would be sett his e barely feels important if it doesn't stun but just pulling someone is enough to hit your 2 autos and 2 qs if he gets in range to attack once he is gonna attack you two times his %hp physical damage cannot be dodged but you complain of the one that can be dodged and requires a condition to hit the two times, stunning with e allows that but e needs a condition too that the enemy is between a wall and you, w requires that an enemy jumps on you or to something/someone inside your w
Yeah her shield auto has such a long animation too
For high elo
Sounds like a skill issue ngl
She's not broken
She doesn't need nerf. The ones need nerfs are the ones that poppy can counter cause those champion are too op that's why they're being used all the time.
I’m just gonna say Darius
Counters poppy so hard
i dont remember anyone asking
@@izee4814 no one asked for you to be born either, but here you are
@@marcelspitzl1698 grow up
@@izee4814 how cute of you and your childish anime pfp to say that I should grow up, when youre the one using "who asked", which is worthwise the equivalent of "your mom" jokes. That alone speaks for itself. This conversation is over kid.
Well she’s naturally tanky, has a point and click shield toss, a point and kick knock back that can stun for up to 3 seconds and deal tons of damage and an anti-skill button in the form of her aoe.
She’s a bit to consistent and a bit to safe. Maybe if half her kit weren’t uncounterable point and clicks 🤔
The buckler throw is an auto attack; all auto attacks are point-and-click.
Making her E a true dash would make her extremely slippery.
@@PoppyVinter well she’d have to make a choice between guaranteed damage by using her E offensively or movement and lose out on her damage set up.
Wah wah👎
Winrate does not mean anything, its not important at all. Winning a game does not lie on one person's performance, there are many factors.
Winrate is very unimportant.
Are you actually serious with this comment? Like genuinly has to be satire
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@@AloisNLBruh you openly admitted it's based on meta, not because she's actually strong.
She simply counters the champs most people are playing, including your braindead broken champion.
Winrate is not the perfect measure for how strong a champ is, but it's pretty damn close to it. It's only not a perfect indicator because of a few biases like :
- if a champ is a good blind or flex pick, his winrate will be a little lower because he will often be blind picked and hence countered more often. Doesn't mean it's a weaker champ at all. (Sion gragas ornn malph kennen and tanks in general)
- if a champ is hard to learn or master, its WR will drop in low/mid elo (yas yone riven azir ryze)
- champions that lower to mid elo players don't know how to play against or that higher elos know how to counter will have an inflated WR from lower to mid elo (teemo, quinn, kennen or any range top, Darius ilaoi urgot nasus garen morde)
- if a champ catters to better players or is often played by OTPs, its WR will increase, it will hence be made weaker than it should be
- if a champ snowballs hard from bad ennemy mistakes, its WR will be inflated in lower elos because higher elo players are less likely to make such mistakes (yi, Darius, pantheon, kled)
- champions with low pickrates have inflated elos because noone knows how to play against them, or have less experience than against other champs
And so on...
Pick rates, blind pick rates, the number of positive/negative match ups, synergies with other champs, skill floor and ceiling, general player level on a specific champ, snowball potential etc. , added in the equation with WR, are all parameters that could help evaluate how strong a champ is, but WR is still a pretty good indicator and definitely not irrelevant.
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poppy needs to be nerfed already 15 patch idk exodia champ with insane basic damage and no skill floor at all
i m a poppy main top lane and i have defeated darius, nasus, teemo, gnar, voli,sett too many times ..i build spirit visage against darius early
with conquerer rune on her she can solo face any champ..few counters her like udry only because he keeps on stunning .
and i blind pick her everytime and also killing fiora solo is fun also with yasuo
Poppys kit is a complete counter to anyone that relies on a dash. Really stupid champ and a good ban.