The Casanova Killer - Paul John Knowles (part 2)
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
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Today's solved true crime case is on the casanova killer, paul john knowles, the man described as 'the more brutal ted bundy'. part 2.
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His lawyer was definitely an accomplice to his crimes. Not the ones that came before but for every death that came after.
His lawyer isn’t allowed to come forward with that information, he can try to convince him to turn himself in but lawyer client Confidentiality law prevents it.
@@monmcconico1627 Your lawyer has to break confidentiality when they know you plan to commit a crime.
@@monmcconico1627 this is the biggest myth of all time you lose ur right to confidently the minute u inform a psychologist, a lawyer, or any other professional of ur intentions to harm yourself or others
@@monmcconico1627 confidentiality only protects previous crimes not future ones. Lawyers HAVE TO report their client if they believe their client has the potential to commit a crime ESPECIALLY if that crime is similar to the crime their client is being charged for. If not, they’re complicit and can face serious charges for it (including potentially being seen as an accomplice depending on what they know) despite not having “actively” committed a crime. It’s just like how doctors can (and HAVE TO) break confidentiality if their patient is harmed or being harmed like in abuse cases. They are called “mandated reporters” for a reason. In this case, this lawyer is 100% an accomplice and should be charged as such.
@@oceangravy799 you all keep saying this but this is confession to a previous crime.
Trying to force this info out of the lawyer is actually a confirmed EXTREME civil rights violation.
So satisfying when she said "he fell into submission like a scared little child" just made me so happy
Mass Murderer vs Vietnam Veteran
the dude had a big luck that his gun jammed twice, otherwise he would escape.
Ok but can we talk about David Clark?? What a freaking hero!! Takes a lot of guts to capture a serial killer!
I imagine him dragging Paul away by the scruff of his neck like an angry mom would drag away her son by his ear. Imagine how humiliated Paul must have been🤣🤣🤣
@@violetsmokes5815 Right??? 🤣 Don't mess with war vets!
Exactly what I was thinking
he was iconic and deserves a statue
Absolute badass/legend/king/whatever-positive-connotating noun you prefer
just found out that my 50 year old dad enjoys eleanors content. we will now be watching this video together. probably the oddest father/daughter bonding exercise ive ever heard of
@@mollysequoia7127 why? we both find the videos interesting?
@@mollysequoia7127 That's a creepy comment ngl
@@mollysequoia7127 that’s like saying are you getting ideas by watching this?
@@mollysequoia7127 we could say the same for u? do u watch these and get ideas? why r u making it weird …
@@mollysequoia7127 why does ur matter what age you are to watch these? Or who you watch it with if your both interested it’s like watching a horror film with your parents oh are they getting ideas by watching that too? Dumb comment ngl
Can we just take a minute to appreciate David? What an actual legend.
ongg
He's a hero
For me the most shocking thing about this whole case is the lawyer. If he had just gone to the police when Paul confessed to him, so many innocent people would have been saved from such horrible torture.
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY
Same it pisses me off so much
@Krystalyn Kersey well not when it endangers people’s lives and is a literal crime like first degree murder. Even us doctors can breach patient confidentiality when necessary, especially if it’s got something to do with the law.
@@arwasbubble but if that was the case, defendants wouldn’t exist. They need lawyers to defend their clients.
@@luxe4754 sure that makes sense, but not if the guy clearly stated he's planning to kill more people. :(
It's funny because he was so obsessed with being famous and I've literally never heard of him and he died in my state lmao
you know him now 😳
I had heard of him before and I’m in England.😂 But a lot of people I’ve spoken to have no idea who he is..😂
I didn’t either and he died in my hometown
The lawyer deserves to serve 40+ years in jail because he is the reason why Paul killed more people. He had the opportunity to tell the police about his murders.
@@user-iw2dk2nf6t Wife yes, the husband no. He knew his “client” was a serial killer and did not tell the police. Lives could’ve been saved but they weren’t.
Not only did he have the opportunity, he had the legal obligation to report it.
Ok but he probably was getting paid good money not 2 say anything
@@_______unknown_______ what amount is enough to cover a random client for SERIAL murder?! He could have got good money from other peoples cases
He’s not the “reason” for any of the murders! But,he definitely had the chance to help put a stop to more of them! He essentially enabled him to carry them out by not reporting him!
Honestly could not live without these, documentaries can be so boring sometimes you make these so much more interesting to listen too 😍
I have fewer than 1 friend in the World. That's right. Everybody disses me for making bad videos. I think they are perfect though. Who is right? My dissers or me? Which side are you on, dear nillie
No she really does
@@AxxLAfriku i don’t think we care for an answer tbh
@@AxxLAfriku i think they are right about you😘😍
@@AxxLAfriku ratio
it still has me so curious on why he didn’t kill the woman in the wheelchair, the nephew, and the mom of the boy who was held hostage. if he killed all of them at the house than nobody would have been there to call police about the new stolen vehicle? this case is so peculiar to me. everything he did was unexpected and had no theme.
Honestly him allegedly killing the two girls bc they'd be witnesses to him straight up doing things in broad daylight is ridiculous in a fascinating way
Right like why didn't he kill them?Maybe he wanted them to be able to identify him or something when he died.
yeah maybe it was part of his plan that he would die in a shootout because he needed to be caught for that to happen but then again he takes more people later on so it’s a bit confusing. I think he was just a messy person with his random MOs and victims?
Wasn’t she a writer? He wanted someone left to write that book
@@KM-ld9ln He didnt know that when he step in to the house and when he was inside the house. He knew it after when he took the sister and was driving with her. The sister was trying to hold conversation and thats how he find out she was a writer.
Just had to pause and fall out laughing... "And she did. I think she went on to write a book, possibly, I don't know, I could have just lied." 😂😂😂 One of the main reasons I love Eleanor... Such a great sense of humor, even in the midst of the worse case ever. Annnnd, she isn't 'trying' to be funny. Love it! Love her!🥰
I agree completely! She's got such a bright personality and it's the reason I love her, that and I think she really gives life to the victims which is something I don't see often enough in true crime channels. Besides, who doesn't like a good laugh to pick you back up from the nastiness that is true crime.
😂 I did the same.
@@kittyblackwood5459 Absolutely!! She makes sure we are crystal clear about who the victims are and the lost that we all experience, even if we didn't personally know them. I'm an empath so some cases really tear me up but her genuine kind spirit and humor makes them easier to get thru!!
Same, I also lol'd at "because if anyone would have a gun, it would be a FARMER" (ok but city folks are def armed these days too, Eleanor)
@ChandraBrown I feel you there! She adds humanity in her videos and that's lacking in true crime. I love how she says things like " he was so into her or he was her world" it adds that bit of reality and humanity. Cuz we all go thru being in love and that realness makes you realize these were real ppl just like you and I.
That Vietnam war vet who caught him is the MVP of this team. If some random feller started trying to shoot me I’d run. Even if their gun was jamming.
I guess he had experience with the guns being pointed at him🤣
@@violetsmokes5815 💀💀😂
Hey Eleanor! Thanks for part 2, I’ve binged almost all your videos so I was “patiently” awaiting lol hope you’re having a great day 💛
Your'e so pretty!!
Lol well hello there.
Lmao same 🤣
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@@Not_Selina03 aw, you’re so kind. thank you so much, beautiful ☺️
I never thought I'd be happy to be notified of a video containing the horrible details of innocent peoples awful murders, but here we are 😬 Yayyyy Eleanor
I’d like to recommend finding more pictures and putting them up if that’s possible. I really enjoy being able to visualize things along with listening to the stories you tell. 💗
agreed!
i recommend some of her older videosthen she shows more clips and pictures
So this guy who's handcuffed in the back seat lights up a cigarette and these two cops don't figure out that he managed to get out of the cuffs and just ask him to throw his cigarette out? Good detective work right there!!
Exactly!!...I was wondering the whole time...how is this possible?!!!!
They took him out and killed him. He didn't actually escape. That's the lie the police told while they committed murder.
@@anniealexander9616 I believe it!!
@@anniealexander9616yes they did! Sheriff Earl Lee was the meanest sheriff in Georgia. The story is they brought this man all the way from Milledgeville to Douglasville with one of the largest police escorts known at the time. Why stop in D-ville for the night? Cause Earl Lee would do what needed to be done, and he did! So they went from a large police escort to a GBI agent and a Sheriff. Oops
Eleanor's voice is so nice to listen to, especially since she doesn't go too crazy with voice inflections. Other true crime channels exaggerate so much that it becomes a bit hard to listen to, but not with this channel :]
Chills is the worst lol
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@@michaelburess1959 uh...no lol. It's a horror true crime type RUclips channel with the most annoying narration.
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I find it shocking that Knowles died the same year Ted bundy started doing the same horrific things.
No wonder why no one knows much about it
The lawyer should have been sent to jail himself as he was partly responsible for every death that happened after he left his office. He knew a killer was in his office and let him walk away with the knowledge that he would kill again
Client confidentiality laws
@@AelitaaaLioko Your lawyer has to break confidentiality when they know you plan to commit a crime.
@@AelitaaaLioko you lawyer also has to break confidentiality when you give them physical evidence and not just verbal, and while you’re getting charged and are in court which he was
@@AelitaaaLioko confidentially has limits. For example, my therapist can't tell anyone about anything I've told him. But when I told him my plans to end myself, he had to break the confidentiality rules and call me an ambulance.
Paul's lawyer had the evidence and confession that could have saved so many peoples lives. But it wasn't the confidentiality rules that made him keep it a secret, it was to keep up his reputation.
I love the whole capture courtesy of David Clark. Couldn't have been more perfect - I mean he's stumbled upon by an actual Vietnam vet who keeps tabs on the news. Brilliant.
right??? Of all people for Knowles to run into AND have his gun jam trying to shoot, its a fuckin Vietnam vet. So awesome lmao.
I appreciate all the time and effort you put into each and everyone one of your videos. I find myself binging your videos all the time and you make learning about these cases so intriguing to watch all the time. I’m a more new subscriber but I’m obsessed with your channel. Thank you Eleanor for your videos!
What an absolute monster. What he did to that 15 year old girl… a slow death at that, I can’t imagine her confusion & terror as this strange man stands there staring as you die slowly on your own stocking. Things like this, amongst the fact that my grandmother was killed at 26 (who’s name was actually Sandra aka Sandy & was murdered in a bar by her ex lover, he got out after 6 years and killed again btw),are the reason why I refuse to believe that someone can live their lives this way, with no remorse on this Earth, & then ask for “forgiveness” and be forgiven of all sins and allowed into heaven. I can’t allow myself to believe that. Karma is real & on this plain or the next… he’ll get his.
Ikr i had to mute the video at that point
YEESSS !!!
I’m so jelly of all the new subscribers who can binge watch all these videos now opposed to me who already has and has to wait for new updates. At least you’re super fast with them, I have no idea how you do it Eleanor 😵💫💀♥️
am i the only one who will only watch eleanor and no other youtuber who covers crime cases? like she just covers everything correctly
i only watch eleanor and mr ballen
@@cheesepuffs8764 same
She is one of the most sensitive youtubers on these subjects. I couldn't watch Bailey Syrian anymore, it was like "why are you talking about this assaulted deceased victims death this way"
Same, I only watch Eleanor for true crime
@@cheesepuffs8764 Don't you think mr Ballen puts misleading thumbnails or video titles ? I used to like his videos, but it's disappointing when he does that. And he doesn't have to do that, his content is good as it is.
Contempt of court is when you act against what has been ordered by the court. It was more than the police asking for the tapes. Communications with your lawyer are confidential and require a court order to make the attorney turn over information. They must have gotten that court order but the attorney still refused.
That is true UNLESS the information involve heinous confessions of a murder! No way is that part of the client/lawyer confidentiality agreement… maybe back then, but I don’t think so, I sure the hell hope not. I know they didn’t give a damn about woman and assaults against them back then usually, however, we’re talking multiple murders here!! That lawyer knows he should’ve immediately turned those tapes over! He should be charged & convicted. He’s a scum bag and imo there’s plenty of blood on his hands, especially with everything else he pulled AFTER he gave up those tapes.
I literally watched the first part this morning at 6 am at work just got off an hour ago came and checked to see if you uploaded so I could listen while I cleaned and you did 😩 girl I love your videos literally apart of my daily routine
same!! i watch her vids just to get ready in the morning lol
I watch them sometimes when I'm cleaning my room or something, but mostly when I'm drawing like I am now lol
Yes omg her videos are the only way I get the dishes and kitchen cleanup done haha
So excited that part 2 is out, I've been obsessively watching true crime videos as of late and this case is so interesting
Even after all my years of following true crime content i have never heard of this man, and knowing he wanted to be infamous i really love how the fact he isnt known more widely
There is a 2 hours true crime story about him.
Eleanor is the only tru crimer on RUclips who explains a person story so well from start to end so u can understand much better and she don't even afto use no scary sound her voice alone makes the story so much interesting....who else agree with me we love u girl keep it up
eleanor the queen of true crime and mr ballen is the king 😂😂 I just bounce between the two
@@rileyrupert5231 who is he tho never heard of him
@@rileyrupert5231 facts!!!!
@@sherikasmith5841 oh Mr Ballen is really gripping. Definitely check out his channel, he makes you feel like your at the event he's describing.
Bella Fiori is also very respectful in her storytelling, definitely should check her channel if you haven't already 👀💞
You’re my favorite true crime RUclipsr right now. I’ve binged so much of your content lately. You speak so beautifully. Thanks for doing such in depth research.
Thank you Eleanor, we love you loads, i just want you to know your videos have helped me get through my severe mental health problems these past 2 years as i am always looking forward to your next video
Same, hon. I lapse in self care and grooming when I’m in the pits. When a good video like Eleanor’s pops up, I can get out of bed ! Because I like to listen to distracting things in the shower, I jump in and get clean while hearing the story. She literally keeps me from my own stink 😌
Does anyone else use Eleanor's videos as a method to fall asleep?! 😂 Her voice is so soothing even if the content is not 😭
yes!! i just found her videos recently and i suffer from insomnia (staying awake for 2-3 days often) and her videos have significantly helped me to fall asleep too!
I do 😅😅
You've come so far I'm so proud of you!! This case is really interesting 💙
that guy who caught knowles and dragged him to the nearest phone to give him to the police is such a badass omg
Hi Eleanor! I would love to see a video on the Mr. Cruel case which was an 80s masked killer case in Australia. It’s reeeally creepy and I think you’d love reading into it!
Yes!
She’s done it
I would like to say that I watch quite a few crime RUclips channels, and although all of them have a special place in my heart, not a single one compares to the amount of detail in your videos. You're doing such an amazing job. Thank you so much ❤❤❤
Have you checked out Stephanie Harlowe? If you haven’t, I find her videos to be the most detailed I’ve come across, maybe you’d also like them :)
Edit: but I also love Eleanors, in case that was in question. Different creators for different moods, all great.
Woah! Part 2 is out! 😱 Just watched first part of this story a while ago. Thank you as always Eleanor! Love from the Philippines 😘
Ah!!! The anticipation has been killing me (ha! Funny given the nature of the content). I love your videos Eleanor, they keep me sane and as a petite true crime RUclipsr myself, I just love the way you share cases.
just what I needed before my job interview🤍 finally gonna calm down now lol. love you!
Good luck! 🍀
@@primrosedeluna Thank you sweetheart!❤️
Good Luck Xx
good luck!
good luck!
Eleanor is the only RUclipsr I can watch anymore, she’s just amazing at what she does!!
One I can still not wrap my head around. Thank you for part 2 and making sense of this case!
Is it 2:30 in the morning? Yes.
Am I still gonna watch this? Yes.
2:30 where!? If you don’t mind me asking
Idgaf about attorney client privilege, the lawyer should’ve spent hard time in prison for withholding evidence. Knowing someone is a murderer who will murder again and not saying anything also makes you guilty as hell.
I was just watching the previous one in class during my passing period, stepped away for like 30 minutes, and then you posted part 2!!
I literally JUST finished the first part. Great timing and video as always!
i literally do my night routines to your videos ! they’re so well put together and scripted ! + the way you tell them ?!? LOVE IT
Never in my life have I seen someone as brave as David. What he did was heroic ❤️
I love that a woman with the last name "Maybe" was the start of Knowle's undoing.
I can’t stop watching your videos! You’re such an interesting person to listen to and your video are binge worthy. I have only discovered you maybe 3 months ago but trust me I’m a huge fan :)
Consider putting your videos into a podcast- I understand making a podcast seperate to these videos would be a lot of extra work. I love just listening to your videos while I do something.
I was anticipating this part thanks for uploading the next part so fast Eleanor!
Such a sad story, rest in peace to all victims and their families ❤
The attorney was probably ordered by the court to turn the tapes over, when he refused that was the contempt.....hence why he was charged with contempt of court.
Also you need to remember the year these things happened. There weren't computers in the cars to run plates, they didn't have cages in all the cars for transport. Things (safety) had come a long way since then.
Just finished part 1 about an hour ago! Love your videos and how much you've grown your channel!❤
That war veteran David Clark is a true hero and a total savage! 👏👑 And the lawyer was acting kind of dumb with those tapes🤦♀️
was searching for this and just when I ran out of things to watch, you pulled through! 🥰
😫I was just thinking about the part 2 video and boom it’s here , God bless youuuu🌻🌻🌻🌻
I love the detail you put into your videos and the 2 parters I love them.
I love Elanore’s videos so much!! It’s so cool how the quality of her videos has gone up over just a year!
I literally just finished part one and was sad I had to wait and this came out 😭 #blessed
Cool, I was really looking forward to that part. I just discovered your channel a while ago and I really enjoy your content, Eleanor. Keep it up!
I was LITERALLY clicking on your RUclips channel to see if you uploaded and you did 3 seconds after I got caught creeping lol
Yay! Thankyou for part 2! Keep being amazing!
It is SO frustrating that he ‘went out’ the way that he wanted to, even after being in police custody!! If they weren’t concerned about recovering a GUN - not even a body - he could’ve been forced to serve a proper sentence, face his victims and their families and have his ideal death taken from him. UGH 🙄🙄
He was likely going to figure a way to kill himself regardless
He went out the way he wanted to do you not think him seeing their victims families would not make this whole situation worse then it already was knowing that he could end up getting baild out and this starting all over again
@@jaydenibbetson when charged with several murders you dont really get bail
Or if its offered they look at your finances and ensure you cant afford it
@@thatdamncrow9197 fair point
If you believe they were really heading to find a gun then you are a easy one to trick. They took that man out and shot him.
I just want to thank you for the content, ino these videos take a lot of work and you do it so well, you are well spoken and just lovely to watch 🖤🖤🖤
I always tell myself I’m not gonna watch the video straight away so I don’t have to wait as long for the next video.. 2 hours in and I’m watching 🙃 you’re just too good
Early squad? ( Also thank you so much Eleanor, I've been waiting for part two for what feels like forever :) )
I wanna say THANK YOU SO MUCH for putting the part number in the title… makes it so much easier to find and keep track of where I am :)
Thank you for putting (part 2) in the description. Much appreciated!!
You’re my favorite, Queen!! I respect your hustle and dedication to your craft so much. You deserve all the good things in this life! I hope you’re happy & healthy!! Sending so much love from the US! ❤️
I am so happy this got posted today I just tested positive for covid and this is going to help me get through the day.
"Whatever he's attractive" then El looks down to her right in deep thought as if she may be looking at his photo perhaps "or atleast she thought he was" 🤣🤣
She does a great job in telling these cases to us in a relatable and understanding way!
I'm fuming that this guy, who wants the notoriety, is being nicknamed "the more brutal Ted Bundy", when he was nowhere near as brutal or calculated as Bundy.
But think about, it takes away what he wanted. He wants to be remembered, but all he'll be remembered by is "the more brutal Ted Bundy". This takes away his fame because people remember Ted Bundy, but not this guy.
I appreciate that you label the cases part 1 and part 2 now. I recall when I first started watching your videos, you wouldn’t label them so I’d accidentally click on a part 2 first
perfect timing!! i JUST finished part one!
You probably won’t see this but I’ve watched most of your videos. I really want you to cover the Gabriel Fernandez case. I haven’t seen many people cover it and it’s a truly heartbreaking story please cover it xx
Ah that case is so heartbreaking :( but yeah i would love to see her cover that case as well.
I’m over here trying to figure out what these women found “attractive and intriguing” about this man 🥴
Attraction is generally a social construct and thus changes with societies perception of attractive. This can be seen through the decades as this usually shifts every 10-30 years
@@breathoffreshair7795 @brittany's chaos
Why these girls are always not so careful? No ref flags? Now and there they always get to cars with strangers...
Am not even gonna lie I would drop a handkerchief around him.
@@kodymeyers9126 narcissistic people show no red flags from the beginning and some wont even show their narcissism until years down the road.
Some of the pictures of him are attractive. It was also like 48 years ago and people looked a little different and styles were way different
Eleanor, please can you do videos on the Menendez Brothers Case?
Their case is on the cusp of being reopened and if you do as in depth research as I think you do I think you'll understand why this possibility of the case reopening is such a huge deal! Thank you x
Love the headband ♥️ and I just love listening to you talking. It's so soothing. Love your accent ♥️
Is it weird that I find her vidoes relaxing 😂
I am like chillin and relaxing while I listen to horrible things that happened to good people It feels so wrong and right at the same time
My son got the coolest case for his phone with one of your codes years ago and it’s still in great condition and so is his phone. Love that his name is on it.
Does anyone else use Eleanor's videos are a method to fall asleep?! 😂 Her voice is so soothing even if the content is not 😭
This case make me think of criminal minds when they say the killer is gonna start making mistakes and we are gonna catch him etc because that guy ended his spree in chaos
I have been following true crime stories for many years, and I've never heard of this guy. I'm petty enough to be happy about that, since notoriety is the thing he craved the most!!
this is what i read about sandy fawkes (the journalist) online on the review of her book about Knowles:
"the things that make this book so wrong and at best a fictionalized account of a situation that happened 40 years ago, viewed through the rose-colored glasses of an arrogant, yet incredibly insecure woman: 1. She *hates* Americans, and everything about America. 2. She's incredibly class conscious. 3. She finds only herself, her lust, and her desire for young men [close enough in age to date her adult daughter] of any interest or value, *unless* the man has money, sex appeal, and a willingness to satiate her never-ending libido. She mentions her sex drive so often you'd think she was a teenage boy. 4. She used him more than he used her. She had no real interest in him until he told her the story of the tapes - she was a basic, National Enquirer "reporter" looking to make a name for herself. Her only believable complaints are of the police hating her, his sexual prowess not living up to her expectations, and her hatred of Jackie (the other woman in his life). Reading her "intuitions", her " fears", her closeness with the DA and GBI reeks of fantasy and expectations. I suspect his book was an attempt to make herself look better to the public at large. Her feelings towards her children seems to be because they were "expected". Her wanting to come back and testify. Her sadness at his death. All read like fantasy, rather than non-fiction. In short, this woman is only slightly better than the serial killer. He wanted fame and notoriety and he killed to get it. She sensationalized horrific crimes, while downplaying her own stupidity and neediness to make herself a name as a " respected" author and journalist."
Please do an episode on Michelle Michaud & James Daveggio
It's a very heavy case and very sick, but I think you would do a good job giving justice to the victims and their families.
The numerous policemen trying to capture this monster and how long it went on is crazy! But kudos to the civilian that finally apprehended him. My thoughts and prayers go out to the families and loved ones of all the victims who’s lives were taken far too soon. 💗
My boyfriend heard me listening to a video of you and he asked me to turn it up so he can listen. we watched 3 different 1 hour videos from you lol so exciting😂💖💖 we both love your videos.
Just got up from a nap and saw that part 2 was up, nice way to wake up lol.
That guy catching him is like a bloody superhero bit. Go onnnnnnnnnn!
"She did! I think she went on to write a book! - could've just lied actually." Eleanor is so funny for this one
I have so much fun listening to you tell stories I know they are horrible crimes but you still make me smile and giggle my way through ❤️
I'm so excited for part 2!
At this point I’m not even watching it for the true crime. You are so serious but so entertaining at the same time. If this is not for you I’ll see you in another video BA BYE…‘contemplates everything’ don’t know why I said bye😂😂I just love you
Damn you were really not kidding when you said you'd upload the second part super soon-
Amazing video, Eleanor! Can't believe I'm not seeing more comments about David Clark- What a hero!
Gosh I was so relieved to hear that the family ended up safe
i can not get over your look in this video!!! you are stunning, like you are just GLOWING AND I AM HERE FOR IT. ily
1:57 throws the phone and you can see the panic in her face I bet she thought "I hope I didn't through it 9.9 feet lol
Thank You for covering this fascinating case Eleanor 💕