I'm not sure what's up with that clicking noise towards the end of the video. It kinda sounds like my mouse, but I don't remember clicking around a bunch. O.o Maybe it's something in the music recordind, but who knows. Hope you didn't notice it! XD
I heard no clicking. Maybe some setting with you're headset or speaker's? My astro a40's some times have a static sound, but that is form the port being a bit messed up.
it’s always made me so irritated that they’ve never done anything with Ms Afton, since there’s so much potential there. There are a million different ways that they could take that story, like exploring her relationship with William, or her reaction to her children’s deaths, but they just continue to choose to do NOTHING with her and it’s so frustrating.
I know! Like William is already an interesting character, we already know that he is not the best father and people even question if he ever loved his kids at all or just saw them as an extension of himself. But the fact that he had a wife, who I'm assuming he willingly married and she wanted to marry him is so interesting. Like did he have love for her at one point? I need a story about her!
@@Quinhala11 well, most fathers in the fnaf universe are trash anyway so who cares? And honestly, fathers became a clichê in fnaf at this point, let's not kid ourselfs, fatherhood is only such a present theme because of scott's need for self incert.
I've always enjoyed the idea of Vanessa adopting Gregory. Sure, she's only about 10 or so years older than him, and maybe they're on the run from whatever Fazbear agents, but they're still trying to live normal lives. And it wouldn't surprise me if Gregory would've called her "Mom" by accident, just like he would've Freddy "Dad."
I see them more as having a weird hybrid sibling-parent dynamic, more akin to a very young aunt or older half sister taking in their orphaned nephew/ half brother they aren't close to. I don't think Vanessa would be comfortable being a mother, she gives me planned on being child-free vibes, with her own parental relationships being completely messed up if her therapy tapes are to be believed. She cares about Gregory but more as a friend/mentor/guardian, not as a mother.
The “mom is a nurse” trope in FNAF is starting to give similar vibes to the “parents work abroad” trope in anime - excuses their lack of presence without having to give even a smidge of character depth to them 😅 aside from as necessary for dramatic effect ofc
maybe about Michael learning to deal with a bunch of weirdos living inside him, or the puppet teaching the other animatronics how to live this new life
About Ms. Afton, in the Logbook Micheal writes that he identifies the most with Clara from TIATR, and if Clara is supposed to mirror Ms. Afton, it's kinda sweet that Micheal identifies himself the most with his mom.
It would fit nicely with the headcanon that he used to watch sidcomes/soap operas with his mom. Like with a father like William at least one kid would have been a mama's kid.
Roxy would be the COOLEST big sister but she is by no means emotionally stable enough for a daughter. She would pass down all her insecurities and has anger issues to deal with first
You're right, Roxy is definitely big sister material. She isn't the kind of character to cook you breakfast the morning before your big test. She's the type to sneak you the pg 13 dvd you have been wanting to watch. Speaking from experience
And Ace Attorney has the problem in a gender balanced way. Parental relationships are also a very common topic, but it seems like everyone only ever has one parent
Something that makes the whole "Mrs. Afton" thing worse is that, for all we know there could be 3 Mrs. Aftons. We don't have any hard confirmation that all three afton kids came from the same mom (or dad for that matter elizabeth and cc could be adopted. michael could be too but he has that whole thing of looking like his dad so it's much less likely). Hell even the basic name "Mrs. Afton" could be wrong! We don't know if William married the woman (or women). We've been saying Mrs. Afton when in actuality there could be 3 Ms. Aftons. This is how little we know about this "character"
YESSS OMG I've been saying this for so long but people don't like the idea that the Aftons aren't your typical nuclear family, I guess. Also whoever is the mother of CC doesn't seem to be a very good mother considering her absence during his birthday party. William wasn't the only neglectful parent there. His mother either failed to show up or failed to stop Mike before he got CC hurt. Same for Elizabeth. Her mother either wasn't in the picture or she watched William leave for work with Elizabeth and come home without Elizabeth and just....didn't do anything. Not police, no investigation, nothing.
This exactly. I don’t think he’s the type who would adopt a child, there’s a lot of work that goes into the adoption process and I don’t see him as the person who would be willing to do all that for someone else’s discarded “product” when he can make his own “creation” just fine.
William, in all his appearances, display a lot of Narcissistic tendencies. Narcissists are really good at charming and manipulating people. It happened with my mum, the man was nice until he wasn't.
I mean, one reason for the focus on dads could be Scott himself. He's the main mind behind the story of FNAF and he's a dad so he may be more interested in writing about dads and their relationships with their kids
@maxwellattacks6645 I cannot remember where I heard it, but yes. He based Bunny Call on an actual experience he had at a camp with his kids. Well, sorta. His mind made up a scary scenario based on actual events, and that scary version became bunny call
I think this is very true while at the same time it reveals a lack of growth and willingness to look at their own biases as there are writers and fans of FNAF who are also dads that do try to give the moms more relevance; the most notable example being Matpat in his FNAF ultimate lore videos where he attempted to bring Mrs. Afton into the story as an actually capable antagonist
I always saw Roxanne as big sis, she's Cassie's bff but isn't as parentally protective as Freddy. But still threw hands for her lil girl, that's prime older sibling material.
On Jen keeping Charlie at arms length, the twisted ones (if I'm remembering correctly) has a small flashback where Jen explicitly says "I'm going to provide you with what you need but I'm not going to be a parent", and when Charlie is reflecting back on that she realizes it's because Jen didn't want Charlie to feel like she was trying to replace Henry, but as a kid it just made her feel unloved. As for retrieving Charlie's adult body, I understood the timeline to be that William stole it years ago, hence how Elizabeth died (although she's implied to be quite a few years older than her games counterpart). So Jen straight up doesn't know where it is. I feel a lot of sympathy for Aunt Jen and really like her as a character. She isn't equipped psychology to be a parent, but she steps up to raise the person she literally didn't think actually existed until after Henry kills himself. She didn't have to do that, and could easily have seen robo!Charlie as what killed her brother (since it isn't just The grief, but also ending the psychosis and brain damage Henry gave himself making her). The independence she teaches Charlie is also very similar to how she lives her own life, so I think she's teaching what she knows best. She didn't just tolerate Charlie, she loved her. And certainly conducted herself better than many people who choose to have kids. As for not telling Charlie, I got the implication that since the whole thing is built on illusions and gaslighting, Jen thinks it's possible that telling Charlie the truth would have killed her.
I do feel for Aunt Jen, but wow, her saying that is absolutely brutal. Who tells a kid that, robot or not? If I would've had that line on hand, I probably would've tore into her for it. 👀
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Here I went and found the specific passage: In August, Charlie and Aunt Jen had their first fight. They’d always been too distant to really argue. Charlie never felt the need to rebel, because Jen provided no real authority. And Jen never took anything Charlie did personally, never tried to stop her from doing anything, as long as she was safe. The day Charlie moved in with her at the age of seven, Aunt Jen had told her plainly that she was not a replacement for Charlie’s parents. By now, Charlie was old enough to understand that Jen had meant it as a gesture of respect, a way to reassure Charlie that her father wouldn’t be forgotten, that she would always be his child. But at the time it had seemed like an admonishment. *Don’t expect parenting. Don’t expect love.* And so Charlie hadn’t. Jen had never failed to care for Charlie. Charlie had never wanted for food or clothing, and Jen had taught her to cook, to take care of the house, to manage her money, and to fix her own car. *You have to be independent, Charlie. You have to know how to take care of yourself. You have to be stronger than-* she’d cut herself off, but Charlie knew how the sentence ended. *Than your father.* Very much feels like someone who would be a really good aunt, part of their niece's life, being forced to be a parent. Aunt Jen is like "what's a child: a person who doesn't have any money and needs to learn things- got it". Again better than many, but lacking the spark that really makes it parental love instead of just care.
Personally I just imagine that Mrs Afton just left william by walking out on an excuse that she had to go shopping, like girl didn't want to deal with a crazy man for her whole life with kids on the side lol
I wish we could’ve learned anything about Ms. Afton, it was such a missed opportunity. I really wanted to know what the relationship she had with the afton children. Was she a caring mother too afraid to stop William? Or was she aware and turning a blind eye since Ballora is blind.
Roxy gives off better big sis energy then mom. Something I wish Clara said to Vlad, whenever he says "the baby isnt mine", is something along the lines of "oh, so where'd the baby come from then?" Or "oh, it must be Fred's from down the street", wouldnt that fit soap opera more? (Just picked fred, not a fredbear refrence, oh gosh)
As much as I like the idea of Mrs. Afton, I think the reason she never got any focus is simply because, like you said, she doesn't exist. She's out of the picture, a concept the fanbase came up with. I'm not even sure she was on Scott's mind when he was creating the Afton family. He probably figured Afton had a wife at some point, but she was never supposed to be a part of the story, never supposed to get a role. 'Mrs. Afton' is an idea the fanbase (probably) created and latched onto, but that's it. She was never there. Never in the story. Never given a face or a voice or a name. She's a 'Well surely she must have existed at some point' character. The Stafftons are all we have.
No torches and pitchforks from this Roxy fan. She is the best and I love her relationship with Cassie, but shes definitely a Cool Big Sis type (to borrow the term from tvtropes) rather than a motherly type. You can tell Cassie idolizes her as much for her kindness to her as her cool rebel image.
Now THAT is something that could go somewhere. They could spin that as the reason he was trying to crack resurrection/spirit possession, even before any of his kids died
It would also explain why Michael is a giant butth0le to his little brother, if the headcanon that Michael was a mama's boy is true. Like losing your mom at a young age sucks and comes with a lot of extreem emotions, but your father blaming your younger sibling for the death of her will give you someone to blame for her death and let some of those emotions out. Even if that wasn't what ms Afton would have wanted for her family.
@@XenkatzeIt'd be interesting to have seen a grief stricken Will turn to a mix of science and the supernatural in some desperate attempt to bring her back. Seems very Darth Vader esque to me.
@@juliaboskamp9666I'd kill for that to be true! It'd give Mike a motivation for how shittily he treated Evan. He lost the parent who mattered to him most,now he's stuck playing second fiddle to Elizabeth
11:13 my theory is that Vanessa lie was probably that her mom was an alcoholic or something like that. It would make sense to how Bill got full custody, and unlike drags, it would be harder to prove that she wasn't doing it.
Yeah no I agree, Roxy is absolutely not mother material lol. Like, just bc she remembered Cassie really doesnt mean much. big sister suuure, maybe, but even then that's a big maybe Great vid as always, really instructive! And yeah, it makes sense that the moms in Fnaf are closer to side characters or plot points rather than main characters, as most stories (especially in Fazbear Frights) first and foremost focus on the children. Having them dead, absent, or working long hours makes sens as to ensure the children (the main characters) are isolated and vulnerable, those are horror stories after all. And like, even for dads it's mostly the same. William and Henry are important characters, sure, but that's because they're crucial to the story beyond just being fathers. Also best mom is in In The Flesh
Not enough people talking about Hudson’s mom from What We Found. She straight up ignored her son being physically and emotionally abused by his step father.
Yeah Hudson's mom, Kasey's mom*, and Angel's mom are in the "literally criminal" bottom tier. *Doesn't appear in the story, but she's the reason Kasey is homeless. She's implied to have been addicted to drugs and been some kind of sex worker, and for the later, not been very professional about it.
"Roxy is more of a cool aunt" Yep totally agree on that only thing here that's a bit iffy for me is Vanessa, while she is old enough to have a mom relationship with Gregory I can only see her as older sister figure.
Considering how important the Afton Family is to the story, I'm still shocked Mrs. Afton essentially only exists because there is _no way_ William adopted. The explanation of William simply budding somehow makes equal sense, minus the whole "thats not how humans work" thing. I once saw a headcanon that Ms. Afton got smart and left willy, then later married a woman. Since nothing in canon refutes this, I'll just say that this is what happened, since the actual games sure aren't gonna.
@@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527 Ok, interesting idea, but if so, would William elect to take care of those children? I feel like he’d make the mother take care of them.
Gosh I literally was just thinking about why most fnaf mom’s are missing/Irrelevant and then I see this video in my recommended Also I’m glad that i’m not the only one who thinks that Roxy and Cassie have a big sis and lil sis vibes anyway awesome video btw
For Roxy and Cassie, I think its because GlamFred is a father to Gregory that they possibly wanted Cassie to also have a mother (or just a parental relationship) especially with the implications that her father is dead a lot of people (especially what i’ve seen in the fanfic sphere) like to use that Roxy adopts Cassie, similar to how ppl love to imagine Freddy adopting Gregory. Most likely is that people love the idea and wanted it to be the same in ruin. If the character was Glam Chica, Monty or the dca there would still be a lot of “X character adopts Cassie” because many people enjoyed it with Gregory and Freddy (also sorry for the extra comment, just had to get my thoughts out and didn’t want to add onto the other one i made :P)
After the Child Custody subplot of Aunt Jane in the film, I'm more convinced that Mrs Afton either never was or swiftly divorced once she got to know the real William. It would easily explain Elizabeth's lack of presence in the Fnaf 4 household if her custody was being fought (yeah I know she likely wasn't though up yet) and Afton's general lack of care in taking care of any of them if they were all out of wedlock or from different mothers. But good job thinking more about the mothers of this series than seemingly Scott ever does. Its real great...
My guess is that Scott is afraid of Disney buying FNaF so he makes it look like it already is a Disney Thing by getting rid of or hiding Mothers. That's not as bad an idea as wearing a Springlock Suit I'd say
@Elephantian-Joy I don't think you read the comment right... They implied a romance between William and Henry, that's not "shipping a victim with their killer"
@@sophitiaofhyrule then pedophillia is okay william probably got henry put into jail do you ship charlie with henry too? I bet you also ship freddy and gregory together
Fuck yes I’ve been waiting for someone to ask this question! I haven’t seen the video yet since it was posted less than a minute ago but I’ve believed for a while now that there’s no single Mrs Afton and all the Afton kids have different moms. It neatly explains where Lizzie was all week without making her the first victim and contradicting the entire timeline- she was with her mom, Will didn’t have custody of her, or at least didn’t have her that week. Edit: The way I imagine Will, I think he was probably good at sweet talking women into bed or short term relationships but once things started getting serious most of them would start to see who he really is and GTFO.
I've seen the idea that Elizabeth had a different mother, but all three of the afton kids would be interesting. Would explain why a singular "Mrs Afton" is never mentioned
The interesting the thing is, we can't prove there is a Mrs. Afton, or if his kids have the same mom. Or even if he just didn't just kidnapped them to be his kids. She was only theoretical until possiblably Security Breach. FNaF does have a Disney before the 2000's problem when it comes to mom in the games and the first book trilogy. I know Disney's reasons. I do agree with you about Roxy. She is more like a big sister or cool aunt.
I don't even think this is a Disney-like problem, Disney has gotten better with the mother characters (kinda) over the years. I would use the Helluva/Hazbin verse as a better example, because the only character i can name that has a good, living mother in that universe is Millie.
@@despinasgarden.4100 my point moms are rare. I can only name 2 Disney princesses with living mothers before the 2000's. Pokemon dads would be a better example. I can only name one. And he lives in a different town.
Given William's relationship with his kids, I don't think he would've kidnapped them because other than Elizabeth, the other two seem to be an afterthought. XD
I’ve never been able to forgive the mom from Step Closer or whatever the book with Foxy was called. She just signed her kids up for organ donation without their consent, a decision which comes back to kill her teen by the end.
Another bad mom is Kasey’s mom from Dance With me Not only did she care more about partying than raising Kasey, but she also kicked Kasey out of the house when she was only 17, AND chose to stay with her new boyfriend over raising her Which then lead to Kasey dropping out of high school and being forced to resort to thievery to survive (mother of the year) Also ayyy Margie mention 15:30
The fact that you talk about Jake's mom (and Margie and Evan), makes me wonder about Andrew's parents, even though we know nothing of them. But the line of Andrew not knowing love from the Bunny Call Epilogue made me believe that he had bad parents. Just to let you know that the mom's name from Bunny Call is Wanda.
@@Raincloud5137 ok so something I learned is that there’s a bunch of radical Mormons that regularly abandon their sons so the gross old men in the church can keep all the little girls to themselves. I think maybe if Will targeted kids like that it could explain how nobody seems to have noticed the DCI, since all their parents are pedo cultists who don’t care about their boys anyway
A common writing technique to bring attention to a detail that "should" exist is to not address it. In it's absence from the narrative, people notice it because logically it's suppose to be there. I deeply believe that with Mrs. Afton we're suppose to notice her absence and that she "lingers" in the subconscious of those we do meet/see. I am a novice writer / hobbyist and this technique is really common in poorly-constructed murder mysteries; basically a "bad writer" of a mystery will withhold the truth so blatantly that the lack of information becomes obvious to the reader. A "good writer" will use this technique on purpose to steer the audiences attention away from details actually given; revealing in the end that it was the "obvious" thing we were told and not the red herring we had imagined out of a lack of information. I don't know what the technique is officially called, but I believe Mrs. Afton is "shown" via her absence. What we are shown is what happens when there is no other parent present to stop the evil / neglectful parent. Mike has to babysit his brother, because there is no one else to watch him. I'd argue that Elizabeth gets killed because even Mike is not there at that point in the timeline (again; another case of an omitted detail being the important detail). Crying Child is crying all the time because there is no mother to comfort him; all he has is a neglectful father and a tween-age angry brother. There are some specific instances where I think Mrs. Afton is indirectly referenced, or called out instead of omitted; 1) I think "Immortal and the Restless" is suppose to infer both Mike and his mother share more in common then he does with Vlad. Vlad says the baby isn't his, rejecting how Mike doesn't share his temperament / disposition; which then leads into the ending of SL where Mike makes a threatening statement towards his father (that was not a friendly "i'm going to come find you"). 2) I believe the objects around the bed in FNAF4 are all related to Mrs. Afton; the flowers are tulips, which have heavy associations with motherhood in the USA. Scott had to model and paint that art asset, so he had to choose what flower to go with and what color. The choice is a very common arrangement for either new mothers or for mothers in general on mother's day, as well as for Easter. The pill bottles imply someone was both awake and NOT in the hospital (you are never given pill bottles in the hospital in the US). And an IV stand is something that can be had at home when someone is either chronically ill, or terminally ill. Many people believe the gameplay sections of FNAF4 is through Mike's perspective; I agree with this and believe the bed (a full or queen-size bed at minimum with the two pillows side by side) and the props are Mike remembering things he's trying to repress; such as having a sick mother in bed, who takes pills and is brought flowers because she can't go outside. Remember how much of a bully tween/teen Mike is towards Crying Child? Bullying behavior's most prolific root cause is a feeling of being out of control and then that child funnels all their negative emotions into taking to "control" something within their sphere of influence. Notice how at the end of FNAF4 Mike regrets what he does; is sorry for what he does. That's the guilt of a child realizing they took it all out on someone who never deserved it. 3) Back to SL; Ballora is not literal, like Clara from the soap opera is not literal. However, just like how Mike's comments (in the logbook) about Clara suggests how he perceived his mother, Ballora is William Afton's perception of the wife who isn't here anymore. He remembers her harping on his isolation and obsession; he remembers her intent was to lure him out and away from his work. If you take Clara and Ballora and "blend" them together, you could start to see a pattern; both characters are calling out a third party, identifying that something is wrong but failing to precisely identify it (although, in both cases, they are still being pro-active without having a full picture. Mike seems to do a similar thing; recognizing, eventually, that he has to do something, try something, even if he does not fully grasp the scope of the situation). 4) In Security Breach, I think what happened to Vanessa's mom is suppose to suggest Mrs. Afton is also "gone". Vanessa's mom falls into conflict with her father, which I think is also suppose to be an echo of the two situations; filing for divorce and going to court is a very pro-active way of addressing a problem. I don't believe any of this is suppose to be a literal one-to-one though; (same with Clara who threatens to leave Vlad) Mrs. Afton could still be alive, or she could have died before she could leave William Afton -- the point is to confirm that both mothers are definitely "gone" from the story and not forgotten as a story element.
i definitely think that kasey’s and hudson’s moms might be the worst in the books. kasey’s mom was never present during her childhood and always working. she was probably struggling, which sucks but that doesn’t excuse whenever she finds a new boyfriends who kicks kasey out because she stands by and does nothing. kasey is 17 at the time and has to drop out of high school. and with hudson’s mom, whenever she gets with hudson’s abusive step father, she has to start taking sleeping pills to get through the day and did nothing to help hudson who was being abused, physically and mentally. i honestly think they’re worse than the mom from B-7. yes, she didn’t want him to be institutionalized, but she was trying to at least get him some help and continues to get him therapy. she’s depressed and does take her life, but she leaves billy instructions on what to do day by day because she’s gone. (and she leaves him a lot of money so he doesn’t have to work) she might’ve indulged in his fantasy too much, but at least she cared about him up until the end.
I would really like to see more of Mrs. Afton people usually portray her as a melancholic and silent victim, as being an unwilling accomplice that contributes to the horror by being paralyzed by fear and resignation, and that's boring. I would like to see her as a creature as evil as William himself she could be the other half of hell she could be the burning and stormy sky to the desolate ground that is her husband. This could make her an interesting character that explains the new reappearance of William Afton because we know that he always comes back when the devs run out of ideas.
Yeah, Big Sister Roxy seems accurate to me. But she could always sorta be both a Sister and Mom, if that makes sense. I do think she's the best one in the franchise, due to her strong care for Cassie and remembering her over the countless others. And saving her from the Mimic.
Ok, but are we sure that there is even a Mrs Afton? Maybe lil ol bill being as obnoxious as he seems to be and so much of a "genius" learnt how to reproduce asexually due to him being a chronically maiden-less guy (because let's face it, he was 😂)
I can't imagine him with that over the top, silly, grinny graphic novel design. No woman, or person, would approach him. That's why I prefer ITP or movie Willy.
While this isn’t Canon to the Story, a Cool Headcanon that I see a few people do is the idea of After Security Breach at some point Vanessa adopts Gregory and becomes his Mother, I got into the idea when I read a Fnaf Story on Tumblr (made by Halogenrobotics and Fnaf-is-Awesome201), at first I saw their relationship like that of a Sibling Dynamic but after reading these stories I really love the idea. Also in the stories their Headcanon is that Vanessa herself actually likes Kids and that it was Vanny who was Acting all Aggressive and Pessimistic during Security Breach. You should definitely Read the Tumblr Stories, they’re great. Extra: also I had a theory that Vanessa’s Backstory we hear in the Retro CD’s is actually Michael’s Backstory, and I also believe Movie Vanessa is a Parallel to Michael so I think William Manipulated Michael into Falsely Testifying against Mrs Afton, but instead of her ending her life William is the one to do it and makes it look like she did to herself. I also do think Vanessa’s Backstory was made up by Glitchtrap and I headcanon that she had good parents but they went missing. (My Headcanon names for Mrs Afton and Mrs Emily are Loretta Afton and Marianne Emily and Oswald’s Mom is Anne).
Loretta is such a pretty name for her! I’ve always used Clara (not the way Vlad pronounces it, the other way) but I think I like Loretta more. Flows better with the surname. I do also like Victoria for her, since all of the other named characters of the Afton and Emily families bear names of British royals and I think that’s fun. Marianne actually kinda works with that, since Mary and Anne are also both names of British royals.
My headcanon is that Vanessa works to pay bills and gave Freddy access to a parenting database so he could raise him better because she wouldn’t have as much time to. At least that’s part of the post-Ruin AU I’m writing lol Also another awesome video! These make my day lol Oh and btw the city Hurricane, Utah is actually pronounced “Her-uh-ken” for some reason
To be honest Vanessa never really felt like a mother figure imo. More like…an older sister doing her best but who is not ready for this responsibility. Roxy too has a sort of distant aunt vibe. The cool relative you only ever see during the holidays but she lets your stay up past your bedtime to watch TV and drink too much soda.
As probably one of the biggest Vanessa/Vanny fans in the fandom, I was pleasantly surprised to see her included on this list you made! You make a good point that the canon doesn't really give us much in figuring out how good of a caretaker Vanessa is to Gregory. That being said, I would like to say that there are a lot of really good stories written by the fans that have taken what exceedingly little crumbs information we have about the 2 post SB and turned them into metaphorical feasts in terms of very well written fanfics exploring the 2's dynamic. I really hope that future installments in this series give us more legitimate information about the relationship between the 2, because if the fandom is capable of such high quality works with such little info, just imagine what might be possible if we were given more to work with. Also for what it's worth, while I am a fan of the sibling like relationship between Vanessa and Gregory post SB, I enjoy the interpretation of their relationship being more like that of a mother and son a lot more.
I wonder if part of the reason there's so few moms is because the kids with present, aware mothers wouldn't generally be subjected to any of the stuff happening in FNAF. FNAF hinges on parents not watching their kids, and generally speaking, media is more likely to depict a dad who actively dislikes his kids than a mom who dislikes her kids. It's just more common to write the mom out as dead or accidentally inattentive if you need an unsupervised child. Old Disney movies tend to do this too, but to an even farther extreme. Biological dads can make bad decisions and be inattentive, but mothers have to be dead and perfect if they're blood-related to the kid.
On the Clara thing: her being a mistress might be an explanation for the whole "not my son" thing. Basically, Michael was conceived and possibly born before they got married, and William being William harbors suspicions that Michael isn't actually his. Like most of the stuff around Mrs Afton, it's pure speculation, but I think that she might have had something with Henry before she met/fell for William, acting as a seed for the ongoing jealousy of Henry.
great video! I never thought that none of the kids with dads had... moms? anyways I think we should know more about Mrs afton I don't remember a single part with Mrs afton. Overall great video
Since they made a game based off Into The Pit, maybe Sylvia will get her own game next? Also, kinda saw Vanessa as more of an "older sister" to Gregory-- maybe a sort of Nani and Lilo situation, where she's taken on a guardian role. (But still agree, don't let the child get involved with Freddy's after traumatic experiences!) So, we got a vid on FNAF fathers, now a vid on FNAF mothers... Next up, siblings? Best friends?
I feel like mrs afton being dead prior to the events of FNAF would make the most sense. It would add to his obsession with remnant and preserving life if he lost his wife already and after the death of Charlotte he caught a glimpse that he might be able to bring back his CC or Elizabeth depending on what your timeline is. I never liked him just being an evil guy from the get go and killing cause he lost his kids but killing other kids because you think it can bring yours back is a more believable motive.
Great video, NotRealName. FNAF has an interesting relationship with mother characters. Considering how many characters seem to have father issues, it makes me curious if Scott himself doesn't have issues with his own father. Might just be me reading into it, but still worth noting. BTW. I would just like to chim in that I don't think Vanessa is going to be a mother figure to Gregory. If anything, Gregory and Vanessa are more likely going to something like a big sister and a little brother dynamic. I say this because despite the fact that Freddy is frequently seen as Gregory's father figure, I just can't see Vanessa in the role of a mother. For one thing, the age gap between her and Gregory is a lot smaller (23 and 14 respectively). But for another, Vanessa herself is hardly a mom character. I'm sorry, but this woman is a twenty-three year old who suffers from anxiety, has a pretty bad backstory, and is an utter dork to boot. Like, seriously. She's into video games. She's a nature enthusiast with the bee migrations habits, tree house and beetle ink blob thing. She is shown to own a pink glitter notebook with puppies on it. She's interested in cupcakes (implying a sweet tooth). And Vanny acts like a total child at times! Yeah, yeah. Technically not Vanessa, but I believe that Vanny probably got some of Vanessa's traits. So it still counts. Plus, Vanessa walks like an idiot. Like, no. Seriously. Have you've seen her walk cycle? That woman is such dork! XD Furthermore, Vanessa is shown to be pretty aggressive (and I don't think its all due to Vanny, either) and isn't probably the type above arguing with a younger person. I mean for goodness sake. She mocks Freddy in one part of the game. I can totally see her and Gregory bickering back and forth over one thing or another, and Vanessa not just taking it lying down. She'd wrestle with the little guy, no questions asks. Plus, Heather Masters herself once said in a stream that she enjoys getting 3-Star content and likes the brother-sister dynamic between the two. And she'd know what a mother character is like. Furthermore, you also have to consider that Gregory can probably relate to Vanessa a lot more than you'd think. As Gregory himself was also in the same boat in regards to Glitchtrap's possession. His was forced to go through the same crap that she did. Heck. He was used against her to keep her in line (which I'd be very curious as to what Vanessa's feeling on that is). Which is why he was probably there helping her lock away the Mimic. His in this, and his not going to take being sidelined. Which is why I think Vanessa brought him along (outside of him being used as bait because he was Mimic's favorite). She can't treat him like a normal kid because 1, he won't let her, and 2, she can't. Side note: I think the Candy Cadet story is more of a metaphor for Gregory and Cassie rather than Gregory and Vanessa. With Gregory being the mother character and Cassie being the boy due Mimic copying "the mother's voice" (aka, Gregory's voice) to lure in "the boy." (aka, Cassie). I think the best way to put how I see Gregory and Vanessa's relationship is something akin to Lilo and Nani from Lilo and Stitch. An much older sibling taking care of a younger one, and while there certainly would be a maternal aspect to it, it wouldn't be anything motherly. That, and equals and partners in their efforts to keep the Mimic from causing harm. And yes, I do agree that Roxy seems more like a big sister or aunt. One with a potential with a strong material streak, but not something motherly. I also find it strange that we have next to zero on William Afton's wife. Like, seriously. I know that currently it would be pointless to try and weave her into the modern story. But they could at the very least, do something with Phone Guy and The Week Before. Because it feels like we should know more about her than we do considering her connections to so many important characters in FNAF. It'd be nice to get her name at the very least. Also. Margie from The Real Jake is probably the best mom. She is such a sweet woman. Its such a shame with what happened to Evan and Jake. Poor woman. :( And Betty is second best mom along with Oswald's mom.
My best guess is that Scott Cawthon is (consciously or not) projecting his own fears of how his life could have a strong and unavoidable impact on his own children through the series. I guess "write what you know" is why I believe it's basically only fathers in the franchise
Everytime I revisit out of stock Oscar’s mom pisses me off. Yea she might be infinitely better than most moms in the fnaf universe, but taking your middle school child (or elementary, if I remember correctly it’s a bit vague) out of school to do unpaid work for hours at a time and taking away from not just his education but also Halloween?? ? Let alone the legality of it I just don’t think that’s a good parent idk.
I actually stopped reading Tales from the Pizzaplex because of how much the mom from that story pissed me off. On a side note, if and when we get some kind of a sequeal to Ruin, I would love it if they gave Gregory and Vanessa an actual relationship. A lot of people have said they could see them having some kind of a sibling dynamic, and I could see it too. I honestly think the dynamics between Vanessa, Gregory, and Freddy would be really fun and interesting to explore, especially after the events of Security Breach. I'm hoping the game after Secret of the Mimic will be a continuation of Ruin, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
I suspect that Mrs. Afton owns Fazbear Entertainment at the moment. She might become more prevalent in the future, or continue being a theoretical background player.
This was nice to watch, especially knowing that Oswald's mom wins here -lol- But you got the video pretty well done, seriously, every part that you adress is complete as for what a mom should be better like and how they are better so much than the principal dads
Me only really listening and not looking at the video at ~ 1:53 : The videos audio: possibly connected cutscenes in security breach Me: huh? that’s not right The videos visuals: sister location title screen
11:48 :: I just realized that neither Vanessa or Gregory have a home. It’s implied HEAVILY that Vanessa eats, sleeps and lives in the pizzaplex. Gregory has a BOX, WHERE ARE THEY LIVING ?? “ well Andrew had a mother named Roxanne.. SHES DEAD. “ I DIDNT ASSUME SHE WAS ALIVE 😭 “ Edwin Murray !! He has a kid !! his wife is dead. “
I think is pretty weird that we don't have a name for Mrs. Emily in the books, i get not having one for Mrs. Afton since she is mostly aluded to in the games, but one would think that they would at least drop Mrs. Emily name in the books, even if she is just a very minor character. Like, that drawing shown at 4:28 instead of having Aunt Jen saying "a living son and your wife" she could say "a living sok and *insert random name here*". Edit: I agree, Roxy is not really a mom type, she does seems more like a big sister or cool aunt to me.
11:36 Huh, didn’t think of that. Now I wanna see what happens with Gregory, Vanessa and Freddy after the PQE. Though, I don’t know if Gregory and Vanesa actually helped with freeing the mimic.
I think that we might get some information on the FNAF movie version of Mrs. Afton because apparently there are leaked behind the scene stuff for the second five nights at Freddy Freddy’s movie in which we get a flashback with a young William and Vanessa. But I didn’t know if it will actually happen or not for sure
13:37 It's such a fun dynamic if she really did take him along willingly She's trying to be a mom but also allows her son to help her out in life-risking missions She already saw what he's capable of so she probably depends on him in those situations a lot too lol
“ hey Gregory, if you come with me to the pizzaplex you literally destroyed, walk through trash and re-encounter robots that want to kill you more then ever just to come face to face with a 7ft tall devilish endo Skelton that wants to eat and kill you .. I’ll buy you icecream “
The truth about Mrs. Afton: its just William. William pulled a Bowser and had kids on his own somehow, but whereas Bowser is actually a good dad to Jr, old Billy A. gets "Worst Dad in all of Gaming" not once, not twice, but at least 5 times (trilogy and movie afton are both one, Games afton is three all by himself. Thats what I can think of immediately, let me know if you find any other examples of William being the worst dad in gaming. The list will probably get larger as we get more games and movies or otherwise more info in the franchise)
Adding this last bit in here but yeah, Roxy is just the Big Sister/Cool Aunt of the cast. I think big sister probably fits slightly better given how easily jealous she gets, what with the salon sessions. Though I imagine if Fazbear actually gave any sort of a shit about their sentient animatronics and gave Roxy therapy, she'd be a really cool older sister and maybe even break into the cool aunt role.
I believe Scott writes dads in more central roles than moms (that basically don’t get any) because he is a dad himself, write about what you know right?(although I still want more mrs afton lore).
1:48 Isn't it confirmed that this was meant to be an analog for Micheal's relationship with Fazbear Entertainment denying all the supernatural stuff and not the Aftons despite the whole fandom assuming that
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I'm not sure what's up with that clicking noise towards the end of the video. It kinda sounds like my mouse, but I don't remember clicking around a bunch. O.o Maybe it's something in the music recordind, but who knows. Hope you didn't notice it! XD
@notrealnamenotatall2476 it's Mike, he's outside you window.
If your cold, he's cold. Let him in. This is where he has been since pizzeria sim.
That’s me. I am in your walls.
I heard no clicking. Maybe some setting with you're headset or speaker's? My astro a40's some times have a static sound, but that is form the port being a bit messed up.
If mrs afton was still alive what game could we see her in, maybe in the secret of the mimic or a dlc for TSOTM??????
@@TheCubeToyBear if anything, 1000000% secert of the mimic.
Us: Where are all the moms?
FNAF: what moms? Oh, yeah we don't have that...but we have plenty of dads!!
Good dads
Some so-so dads
Maybe a few not so good ones
Maybe Ballora is Mrs Afton? In that case,we have two mums in the games who we meet
In the five nights at Freddy’s world, having children means the mother must die in order to feed her offspring
@@thereactor3945in the FNaF World? Is that how they learn Pizza Wheel?
@@McDonalds-Empty-Cup no in the five nights at Freddy’s world, the five nights at Freddy’s world and the Fnaf world are very different
"What are you doing?"
"Our son is missing. I'm calling the police"
"But I am the police"
"Then go do something!!!!"
Lol
I wish Scott would give some story on Mrs Afton, I think it could be interesting to explore her relationship with William
yeah like how they met and what she felt when the murders happend and stuff
SAME
I mean,the next game is 1979 so maybe we'll see her? Maybe
She was probably like, "this guy's crazy" and left before she got killed
@@cassiepaine8229 unless she's Ballora...
it’s always made me so irritated that they’ve never done anything with Ms Afton, since there’s so much potential there. There are a million different ways that they could take that story, like exploring her relationship with William, or her reaction to her children’s deaths, but they just continue to choose to do NOTHING with her and it’s so frustrating.
I know! Like William is already an interesting character, we already know that he is not the best father and people even question if he ever loved his kids at all or just saw them as an extension of himself. But the fact that he had a wife, who I'm assuming he willingly married and she wanted to marry him is so interesting. Like did he have love for her at one point? I need a story about her!
It doesn't fit the theme of fatherhood
@@Quinhala11 so? mothers deserve better, man. my mom is awesome
@@Quinhala11 well, most fathers in the fnaf universe are trash anyway so who cares? And honestly, fathers became a clichê in fnaf at this point, let's not kid ourselfs, fatherhood is only such a present theme because of scott's need for self incert.
I've always enjoyed the idea of Vanessa adopting Gregory. Sure, she's only about 10 or so years older than him, and maybe they're on the run from whatever Fazbear agents, but they're still trying to live normal lives. And it wouldn't surprise me if Gregory would've called her "Mom" by accident, just like he would've Freddy "Dad."
“ on the run from Fazbear agents “ yeah, they need Gregory to pay the 100k+ dollars in damage. And they probably want Freddy back 😭
@@frontallobeeater-t5i Considering Freddy is replaced in 2 or 3 different endings, I don't think that's the case lol
I would've loved if Vanessa adopted Gregory!!!
I see them more as having a weird hybrid sibling-parent dynamic, more akin to a very young aunt or older half sister taking in their orphaned nephew/ half brother they aren't close to. I don't think Vanessa would be comfortable being a mother, she gives me planned on being child-free vibes, with her own parental relationships being completely messed up if her therapy tapes are to be believed.
She cares about Gregory but more as a friend/mentor/guardian, not as a mother.
@@XimiBell i can see that
The “mom is a nurse” trope in FNAF is starting to give similar vibes to the “parents work abroad” trope in anime - excuses their lack of presence without having to give even a smidge of character depth to them 😅 aside from as necessary for dramatic effect ofc
I want a sitcom of himbo freddy learning to be a father to this strange little boy, in fact I demand it because I need some joy in my life
I HAVENT HEARD THE WORD HIMBO IN SO LONG, that’s so him omg. And actually just a fnaf sitcom in general would be amazing
maybe about Michael learning to deal with a bunch of weirdos living inside him, or the puppet teaching the other animatronics how to live this new life
A FNaF sitcom would genuinely be amazing
About Ms. Afton, in the Logbook Micheal writes that he identifies the most with Clara from TIATR, and if Clara is supposed to mirror Ms. Afton, it's kinda sweet that Micheal identifies himself the most with his mom.
It would fit nicely with the headcanon that he used to watch sidcomes/soap operas with his mom.
Like with a father like William at least one kid would have been a mama's kid.
Roxy would be the COOLEST big sister but she is by no means emotionally stable enough for a daughter. She would pass down all her insecurities and has anger issues to deal with first
You're right, Roxy is definitely big sister material. She isn't the kind of character to cook you breakfast the morning before your big test. She's the type to sneak you the pg 13 dvd you have been wanting to watch.
Speaking from experience
And see roxy in competition u will see no big sister
R-rated DVD. She has a reputation to keep.
FNAF has the opposite problem with Pokémon. Pokémon always has moms but never dads, and FNAF always has dads but never moms.
And Ace Attorney has the problem in a gender balanced way. Parental relationships are also a very common topic, but it seems like everyone only ever has one parent
You know, now all those Pokémon - FNAF crossovers I've seen make a lot more sense...
That does it. We must combine the franchises. It's the only solution.
Thanks for pointing that out, now I want an overly dramatic semi-trashy dating show were troubled FNaF dads can meet lonely Pokémon mums.
Something that makes the whole "Mrs. Afton" thing worse is that, for all we know there could be 3 Mrs. Aftons. We don't have any hard confirmation that all three afton kids came from the same mom (or dad for that matter elizabeth and cc could be adopted. michael could be too but he has that whole thing of looking like his dad so it's much less likely). Hell even the basic name "Mrs. Afton" could be wrong! We don't know if William married the woman (or women). We've been saying Mrs. Afton when in actuality there could be 3 Ms. Aftons. This is how little we know about this "character"
YESSS OMG I've been saying this for so long but people don't like the idea that the Aftons aren't your typical nuclear family, I guess.
Also whoever is the mother of CC doesn't seem to be a very good mother considering her absence during his birthday party. William wasn't the only neglectful parent there. His mother either failed to show up or failed to stop Mike before he got CC hurt. Same for Elizabeth. Her mother either wasn't in the picture or she watched William leave for work with Elizabeth and come home without Elizabeth and just....didn't do anything. Not police, no investigation, nothing.
This exactly. I don’t think he’s the type who would adopt a child, there’s a lot of work that goes into the adoption process and I don’t see him as the person who would be willing to do all that for someone else’s discarded “product” when he can make his own “creation” just fine.
I just wanna know what Ms Afton saw in William to have 3 kids with him like what kind of person did he present himself to her in order to do that.
William, in all his appearances, display a lot of Narcissistic tendencies. Narcissists are really good at charming and manipulating people. It happened with my mum, the man was nice until he wasn't.
He just had that rizz in him
A tall and smart man I guess
It was that British accent of his that just revved up her engines on a full moon
She was a hybristophiliac who tried to marry someone normal but coincidentally hit the jackpot.
I mean, one reason for the focus on dads could be Scott himself. He's the main mind behind the story of FNAF and he's a dad so he may be more interested in writing about dads and their relationships with their kids
If I'm correct that is the entire reason why bunny call exists
@maxwellattacks6645
I cannot remember where I heard it, but yes. He based Bunny Call on an actual experience he had at a camp with his kids. Well, sorta. His mind made up a scary scenario based on actual events, and that scary version became bunny call
@@Alkeerosyeah, he told about this during an interview with dawko. Which was this year, I think?
I meant last year (2024)
I think this is very true while at the same time it reveals a lack of growth and willingness to look at their own biases as there are writers and fans of FNAF who are also dads that do try to give the moms more relevance; the most notable example being Matpat in his FNAF ultimate lore videos where he attempted to bring Mrs. Afton into the story as an actually capable antagonist
I always saw Roxanne as big sis, she's Cassie's bff but isn't as parentally protective as Freddy. But still threw hands for her lil girl, that's prime older sibling material.
On Jen keeping Charlie at arms length, the twisted ones (if I'm remembering correctly) has a small flashback where Jen explicitly says "I'm going to provide you with what you need but I'm not going to be a parent", and when Charlie is reflecting back on that she realizes it's because Jen didn't want Charlie to feel like she was trying to replace Henry, but as a kid it just made her feel unloved.
As for retrieving Charlie's adult body, I understood the timeline to be that William stole it years ago, hence how Elizabeth died (although she's implied to be quite a few years older than her games counterpart). So Jen straight up doesn't know where it is.
I feel a lot of sympathy for Aunt Jen and really like her as a character. She isn't equipped psychology to be a parent, but she steps up to raise the person she literally didn't think actually existed until after Henry kills himself. She didn't have to do that, and could easily have seen robo!Charlie as what killed her brother (since it isn't just The grief, but also ending the psychosis and brain damage Henry gave himself making her). The independence she teaches Charlie is also very similar to how she lives her own life, so I think she's teaching what she knows best. She didn't just tolerate Charlie, she loved her. And certainly conducted herself better than many people who choose to have kids.
As for not telling Charlie, I got the implication that since the whole thing is built on illusions and gaslighting, Jen thinks it's possible that telling Charlie the truth would have killed her.
I do feel for Aunt Jen, but wow, her saying that is absolutely brutal. Who tells a kid that, robot or not? If I would've had that line on hand, I probably would've tore into her for it. 👀
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Here I went and found the specific passage:
In August, Charlie and Aunt Jen had their first fight. They’d always been too distant to really argue. Charlie never felt the need to rebel, because Jen provided no real authority. And Jen never took anything Charlie did personally, never tried to stop her from doing anything, as long as she was safe. The day Charlie moved in with her at the age of seven, Aunt Jen had told her plainly that she was not a replacement for Charlie’s parents. By now, Charlie was old enough to understand that Jen had meant it as a gesture of respect, a way to reassure Charlie that her father wouldn’t be forgotten, that she would always be his child. But at the time it had seemed like an admonishment. *Don’t expect parenting. Don’t expect love.* And so Charlie hadn’t. Jen had never failed to care for Charlie. Charlie had never wanted for food or clothing, and Jen had taught her to cook, to take care of the house, to manage her money, and to fix her own car. *You have to be independent, Charlie. You have to know how to take care of yourself. You have to be stronger than-* she’d cut herself off, but Charlie knew how the sentence ended. *Than your father.*
Very much feels like someone who would be a really good aunt, part of their niece's life, being forced to be a parent. Aunt Jen is like "what's a child: a person who doesn't have any money and needs to learn things- got it". Again better than many, but lacking the spark that really makes it parental love instead of just care.
@@AbsolXGuardianOh...
A good parent: (exist)
FNAF: And I took that personally
Mrs. Afton is basically narrative potential as a character.
Personally I just imagine that Mrs Afton just left william by walking out on an excuse that she had to go shopping, like girl didn't want to deal with a crazy man for her whole life with kids on the side lol
I wish we could’ve learned anything about Ms. Afton, it was such a missed opportunity. I really wanted to know what the relationship she had with the afton children. Was she a caring mother too afraid to stop William? Or was she aware and turning a blind eye since Ballora is blind.
Roxy gives off better big sis energy then mom. Something I wish Clara said to Vlad, whenever he says "the baby isnt mine", is something along the lines of "oh, so where'd the baby come from then?" Or "oh, it must be Fred's from down the street", wouldnt that fit soap opera more? (Just picked fred, not a fredbear refrence, oh gosh)
I would say, that using pictures of Toriel is a very *goated* habit.
As much as I like the idea of Mrs. Afton, I think the reason she never got any focus is simply because, like you said, she doesn't exist. She's out of the picture, a concept the fanbase came up with. I'm not even sure she was on Scott's mind when he was creating the Afton family. He probably figured Afton had a wife at some point, but she was never supposed to be a part of the story, never supposed to get a role. 'Mrs. Afton' is an idea the fanbase (probably) created and latched onto, but that's it. She was never there. Never in the story. Never given a face or a voice or a name. She's a 'Well surely she must have existed at some point' character. The Stafftons are all we have.
No torches and pitchforks from this Roxy fan. She is the best and I love her relationship with Cassie, but shes definitely a Cool Big Sis type (to borrow the term from tvtropes) rather than a motherly type. You can tell Cassie idolizes her as much for her kindness to her as her cool rebel image.
Yeah, Roxy is best girl but best mom? Of she where q Mon she'd be a trainwreck, girl has to many issues of her own to raise kids
I always head-canoned Mrs.Afton as dying in childbirth,hence Will's seeming disdain for Evan. He sees Evan as taking her from him
Now THAT is something that could go somewhere. They could spin that as the reason he was trying to crack resurrection/spirit possession, even before any of his kids died
It would also explain why Michael is a giant butth0le to his little brother, if the headcanon that Michael was a mama's boy is true.
Like losing your mom at a young age sucks and comes with a lot of extreem emotions, but your father blaming your younger sibling for the death of her will give you someone to blame for her death and let some of those emotions out. Even if that wasn't what ms Afton would have wanted for her family.
@@XenkatzeIt'd be interesting to have seen a grief stricken Will turn to a mix of science and the supernatural in some desperate attempt to bring her back. Seems very Darth Vader esque to me.
@@juliaboskamp9666I'd kill for that to be true! It'd give Mike a motivation for how shittily he treated Evan. He lost the parent who mattered to him most,now he's stuck playing second fiddle to Elizabeth
Calling CC evan in 2025 is pretty bold
11:13 my theory is that Vanessa lie was probably that her mom was an alcoholic or something like that. It would make sense to how Bill got full custody, and unlike drags, it would be harder to prove that she wasn't doing it.
That’s actually one of the scenarios where fathers will get primary custody over mothers.
Yeah no I agree, Roxy is absolutely not mother material lol. Like, just bc she remembered Cassie really doesnt mean much. big sister suuure, maybe, but even then that's a big maybe
Great vid as always, really instructive! And yeah, it makes sense that the moms in Fnaf are closer to side characters or plot points rather than main characters, as most stories (especially in Fazbear Frights) first and foremost focus on the children. Having them dead, absent, or working long hours makes sens as to ensure the children (the main characters) are isolated and vulnerable, those are horror stories after all.
And like, even for dads it's mostly the same. William and Henry are important characters, sure, but that's because they're crucial to the story beyond just being fathers.
Also best mom is in In The Flesh
Yeah Roxy has cool but distant older sister, cousin, or aunt vibes.
@@sonotfetch Freddy is the dad, Roxy is the cool big sister, Monty Is a fresh out of jail wine Uncle and i don't know what Chica would be.
@@despinasgarden.4100 Family friend who is struggling, deeply. But she's earned and kept the title Family. Friend. For a reason.❤
yeah she could also just be a friend of some sort or like a nanny/babysitter
@@despinasgarden.4100 Chica's just in the walls, eating all your snacks.
Not enough people talking about Hudson’s mom from What We Found. She straight up ignored her son being physically and emotionally abused by his step father.
I forgot about her. Yeah, I should've mentioned her. >.
Yeah Hudson's mom, Kasey's mom*, and Angel's mom are in the "literally criminal" bottom tier.
*Doesn't appear in the story, but she's the reason Kasey is homeless. She's implied to have been addicted to drugs and been some kind of sex worker, and for the later, not been very professional about it.
@@AbsolXGuardianSex worker? Where was that?
Bisically 99% fnaf character:
- Daddy issues
- No mommy issues, because mommy doesn't exists
Vivziepop? ( I'm sorry, I had to- )
Mothers are the hidden heroes of the world. I would love for Scott to do something with them.
"Roxy is more of a cool aunt" Yep totally agree on that only thing here that's a bit iffy for me is Vanessa, while she is old enough to have a mom relationship with Gregory I can only see her as older sister figure.
The main reason I think fnaf focuses on dads so much is because Scott is a father himself so he wrote what he knows and other people ran with it
but he has a wife
@ yeah
Considering how important the Afton Family is to the story, I'm still shocked Mrs. Afton essentially only exists because there is _no way_ William adopted. The explanation of William simply budding somehow makes equal sense, minus the whole "thats not how humans work" thing.
I once saw a headcanon that Ms. Afton got smart and left willy, then later married a woman. Since nothing in canon refutes this, I'll just say that this is what happened, since the actual games sure aren't gonna.
Maybe she married Henry's ex wife or Betty
William budding himself is my new headcanon because I refuse to believe he ever actually got game
Sooooooo
Mrs. Afton is Lesbian?
@@ToyFreddyGaming1987 I personally think there never was a singular Mrs Afton and all the kids are the result of one night stands
@@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527 Ok, interesting idea, but if so, would William elect to take care of those children? I feel like he’d make the mother take care of them.
Honorable mention: Grandma in B7-2. She does a great job of helping her grandson readjust to normal life, and her heroic sacrifice.
1:18 WHY IS MIKE OUTSUDE THE WINDOW 😭😭😭
Gosh I literally was just thinking about why most fnaf mom’s are missing/Irrelevant and then I see this video in my recommended
Also I’m glad that i’m not the only one who thinks that Roxy and Cassie have a big sis and lil sis vibes anyway awesome video btw
For Roxy and Cassie, I think its because GlamFred is a father to Gregory that they possibly wanted Cassie to also have a mother (or just a parental relationship) especially with the implications that her father is dead a lot of people (especially what i’ve seen in the fanfic sphere) like to use that Roxy adopts Cassie, similar to how ppl love to imagine Freddy adopting Gregory. Most likely is that people love the idea and wanted it to be the same in ruin. If the character was Glam Chica, Monty or the dca there would still be a lot of “X character adopts Cassie” because many people enjoyed it with Gregory and Freddy
(also sorry for the extra comment, just had to get my thoughts out and didn’t want to add onto the other one i made :P)
how did Cassie’s dad become the mask bot?
@@MrTrapezoid Staff Bots controlled by Glitchtrap.
15:23 the real best mom in Fnaf..ignoring her not being the actual mom but still. What a W
After the Child Custody subplot of Aunt Jane in the film, I'm more convinced that Mrs Afton either never was or swiftly divorced once she got to know the real William. It would easily explain Elizabeth's lack of presence in the Fnaf 4 household if her custody was being fought (yeah I know she likely wasn't though up yet) and Afton's general lack of care in taking care of any of them if they were all out of wedlock or from different mothers.
But good job thinking more about the mothers of this series than seemingly Scott ever does. Its real great...
My guess is that Scott is afraid of Disney buying FNaF so he makes it look like it already is a Disney Thing by getting rid of or hiding Mothers. That's not as bad an idea as wearing a Springlock Suit I'd say
Now seeing the abundance of absent mothers in FNAF. im starting to see the theory that Henry was the "mrs" Afton this whole time
The real mystery in fnaf lore
ur gross
stop shipping victims with their serial killers
do u also ship william with his own kids? you damn sicko
@Elephantian-Joy I don't think you read the comment right... They implied a romance between William and Henry, that's not "shipping a victim with their killer"
@NotD Honestly book William was so obsessed with Henry it kinda bordered on homoerotic at times, lol
@@sophitiaofhyrule then pedophillia is okay
william probably got henry put into jail
do you ship charlie with henry too?
I bet you also ship freddy and gregory together
Fuck yes I’ve been waiting for someone to ask this question! I haven’t seen the video yet since it was posted less than a minute ago but I’ve believed for a while now that there’s no single Mrs Afton and all the Afton kids have different moms. It neatly explains where Lizzie was all week without making her the first victim and contradicting the entire timeline- she was with her mom, Will didn’t have custody of her, or at least didn’t have her that week.
Edit: The way I imagine Will, I think he was probably good at sweet talking women into bed or short term relationships but once things started getting serious most of them would start to see who he really is and GTFO.
Nah,William actually just performs mitosis
I've seen the idea that Elizabeth had a different mother, but all three of the afton kids would be interesting. Would explain why a singular "Mrs Afton" is never mentioned
That Is a posibility that i really like, it wouldn't be out of character for William.
Someday we'll find out about the secret marriage between William Afton and Betty Burke. XD Explains how he never got charged, I suppose. /jk
The interesting the thing is, we can't prove there is a Mrs. Afton, or if his kids have the same mom. Or even if he just didn't just kidnapped them to be his kids. She was only theoretical until possiblably Security Breach.
FNaF does have a Disney before the 2000's problem when it comes to mom in the games and the first book trilogy. I know Disney's reasons.
I do agree with you about Roxy. She is more like a big sister or cool aunt.
I don't even think this is a Disney-like problem, Disney has gotten better with the mother characters (kinda) over the years. I would use the Helluva/Hazbin verse as a better example, because the only character i can name that has a good, living mother in that universe is Millie.
@@despinasgarden.4100 my point moms are rare. I can only name 2 Disney princesses with living mothers before the 2000's. Pokemon dads would be a better example. I can only name one. And he lives in a different town.
Given William's relationship with his kids, I don't think he would've kidnapped them because other than Elizabeth, the other two seem to be an afterthought. XD
Well if there is one thing we do know about mothers in fnaf: they probably are dead or are too busy working
The best mother is obviously Matt from In The Flesh
OH MY GOSH ANOTHER PORTAL FAN! (I recognise that pfp, it's from 'portal 2 if it was written by a bot' bur deadwater gaming, right?)
AYO, CHELL!!
I’ve never been able to forgive the mom from Step Closer or whatever the book with Foxy was called. She just signed her kids up for organ donation without their consent, a decision which comes back to kill her teen by the end.
Yes it's called step closer. I forgot that book even exists, but Is that the one where a older brother makes his little brother go near foxy?
Another bad mom is Kasey’s mom from Dance With me
Not only did she care more about partying than raising Kasey, but she also kicked Kasey out of the house when she was only 17, AND chose to stay with her new boyfriend over raising her
Which then lead to Kasey dropping out of high school and being forced to resort to thievery to survive (mother of the year)
Also ayyy Margie mention 15:30
The fact that you talk about Jake's mom (and Margie and Evan), makes me wonder about Andrew's parents, even though we know nothing of them. But the line of Andrew not knowing love from the Bunny Call Epilogue made me believe that he had bad parents.
Just to let you know that the mom's name from Bunny Call is Wanda.
That was why I loved the concept of midnight motorist being about Andrew and his family
Mom's in FNaF are the equivalent of Dad's in Pokémon. Implied to exist, but often absent.
If there were moms, the series would have ended in the first game, no way none of them would hunt William down.
*wouldn't
William would have died the Freddy Krueger way, hunted down by a flash mob of middled aged woman
@@Raincloud5137 ok so something I learned is that there’s a bunch of radical Mormons that regularly abandon their sons so the gross old men in the church can keep all the little girls to themselves. I think maybe if Will targeted kids like that it could explain how nobody seems to have noticed the DCI, since all their parents are pedo cultists who don’t care about their boys anyway
A common writing technique to bring attention to a detail that "should" exist is to not address it. In it's absence from the narrative, people notice it because logically it's suppose to be there. I deeply believe that with Mrs. Afton we're suppose to notice her absence and that she "lingers" in the subconscious of those we do meet/see. I am a novice writer / hobbyist and this technique is really common in poorly-constructed murder mysteries; basically a "bad writer" of a mystery will withhold the truth so blatantly that the lack of information becomes obvious to the reader. A "good writer" will use this technique on purpose to steer the audiences attention away from details actually given; revealing in the end that it was the "obvious" thing we were told and not the red herring we had imagined out of a lack of information. I don't know what the technique is officially called, but I believe Mrs. Afton is "shown" via her absence. What we are shown is what happens when there is no other parent present to stop the evil / neglectful parent. Mike has to babysit his brother, because there is no one else to watch him. I'd argue that Elizabeth gets killed because even Mike is not there at that point in the timeline (again; another case of an omitted detail being the important detail). Crying Child is crying all the time because there is no mother to comfort him; all he has is a neglectful father and a tween-age angry brother.
There are some specific instances where I think Mrs. Afton is indirectly referenced, or called out instead of omitted;
1) I think "Immortal and the Restless" is suppose to infer both Mike and his mother share more in common then he does with Vlad. Vlad says the baby isn't his, rejecting how Mike doesn't share his temperament / disposition; which then leads into the ending of SL where Mike makes a threatening statement towards his father (that was not a friendly "i'm going to come find you").
2) I believe the objects around the bed in FNAF4 are all related to Mrs. Afton; the flowers are tulips, which have heavy associations with motherhood in the USA. Scott had to model and paint that art asset, so he had to choose what flower to go with and what color. The choice is a very common arrangement for either new mothers or for mothers in general on mother's day, as well as for Easter. The pill bottles imply someone was both awake and NOT in the hospital (you are never given pill bottles in the hospital in the US). And an IV stand is something that can be had at home when someone is either chronically ill, or terminally ill. Many people believe the gameplay sections of FNAF4 is through Mike's perspective; I agree with this and believe the bed (a full or queen-size bed at minimum with the two pillows side by side) and the props are Mike remembering things he's trying to repress; such as having a sick mother in bed, who takes pills and is brought flowers because she can't go outside. Remember how much of a bully tween/teen Mike is towards Crying Child? Bullying behavior's most prolific root cause is a feeling of being out of control and then that child funnels all their negative emotions into taking to "control" something within their sphere of influence. Notice how at the end of FNAF4 Mike regrets what he does; is sorry for what he does. That's the guilt of a child realizing they took it all out on someone who never deserved it.
3) Back to SL; Ballora is not literal, like Clara from the soap opera is not literal. However, just like how Mike's comments (in the logbook) about Clara suggests how he perceived his mother, Ballora is William Afton's perception of the wife who isn't here anymore. He remembers her harping on his isolation and obsession; he remembers her intent was to lure him out and away from his work. If you take Clara and Ballora and "blend" them together, you could start to see a pattern; both characters are calling out a third party, identifying that something is wrong but failing to precisely identify it (although, in both cases, they are still being pro-active without having a full picture. Mike seems to do a similar thing; recognizing, eventually, that he has to do something, try something, even if he does not fully grasp the scope of the situation).
4) In Security Breach, I think what happened to Vanessa's mom is suppose to suggest Mrs. Afton is also "gone". Vanessa's mom falls into conflict with her father, which I think is also suppose to be an echo of the two situations; filing for divorce and going to court is a very pro-active way of addressing a problem. I don't believe any of this is suppose to be a literal one-to-one though; (same with Clara who threatens to leave Vlad) Mrs. Afton could still be alive, or she could have died before she could leave William Afton -- the point is to confirm that both mothers are definitely "gone" from the story and not forgotten as a story element.
nonexistant mothers and terrible dads. yay fnaf.
“Terrible dads”
Glamrock Freddy: *Am I a joke to you?*
"Terrible dad's"
Ralph (a.k.a. phone guy) and Oswald's dad (atleast he cares for Oswald): Are we a joke to you?
i definitely think that kasey’s and hudson’s moms might be the worst in the books. kasey’s mom was never present during her childhood and always working. she was probably struggling, which sucks but that doesn’t excuse whenever she finds a new boyfriends who kicks kasey out because she stands by and does nothing. kasey is 17 at the time and has to drop out of high school. and with hudson’s mom, whenever she gets with hudson’s abusive step father, she has to start taking sleeping pills to get through the day and did nothing to help hudson who was being abused, physically and mentally. i honestly think they’re worse than the mom from B-7. yes, she didn’t want him to be institutionalized, but she was trying to at least get him some help and continues to get him therapy. she’s depressed and does take her life, but she leaves billy instructions on what to do day by day because she’s gone. (and she leaves him a lot of money so he doesn’t have to work) she might’ve indulged in his fantasy too much, but at least she cared about him up until the end.
I would really like to see more of Mrs. Afton people usually portray her as a melancholic and silent victim, as being an unwilling accomplice that contributes to the horror by being paralyzed by fear and resignation, and that's boring. I would like to see her as a creature as evil as William himself she could be the other half of hell she could be the burning and stormy sky to the desolate ground that is her husband. This could make her an interesting character that explains the new reappearance of William Afton because we know that he always comes back when the devs run out of ideas.
Yeah, Big Sister Roxy seems accurate to me. But she could always sorta be both a Sister and Mom, if that makes sense.
I do think she's the best one in the franchise, due to her strong care for Cassie and remembering her over the countless others. And saving her from the Mimic.
Ok, but are we sure that there is even a Mrs Afton? Maybe lil ol bill being as obnoxious as he seems to be and so much of a "genius" learnt how to reproduce asexually due to him being a chronically maiden-less guy (because let's face it, he was 😂)
I can't imagine him with that over the top, silly, grinny graphic novel design. No woman, or person, would approach him. That's why I prefer ITP or movie Willy.
You’re my favorite Fnaf creator🥰 keep up the good work !!!
While this isn’t Canon to the Story, a Cool Headcanon that I see a few people do is the idea of After Security Breach at some point Vanessa adopts Gregory and becomes his Mother, I got into the idea when I read a Fnaf Story on Tumblr (made by Halogenrobotics and Fnaf-is-Awesome201), at first I saw their relationship like that of a Sibling Dynamic but after reading these stories I really love the idea.
Also in the stories their Headcanon is that Vanessa herself actually likes Kids and that it was Vanny who was Acting all Aggressive and Pessimistic during Security Breach.
You should definitely Read the Tumblr Stories, they’re great.
Extra: also I had a theory that Vanessa’s Backstory we hear in the Retro CD’s is actually Michael’s Backstory, and I also believe Movie Vanessa is a Parallel to Michael so I think William Manipulated Michael into Falsely Testifying against Mrs Afton, but instead of her ending her life William is the one to do it and makes it look like she did to herself.
I also do think Vanessa’s Backstory was made up by Glitchtrap and I headcanon that she had good parents but they went missing.
(My Headcanon names for Mrs Afton and Mrs Emily are Loretta Afton and Marianne Emily and Oswald’s Mom is Anne).
Loretta is such a pretty name for her! I’ve always used Clara (not the way Vlad pronounces it, the other way) but I think I like Loretta more. Flows better with the surname.
I do also like Victoria for her, since all of the other named characters of the Afton and Emily families bear names of British royals and I think that’s fun. Marianne actually kinda works with that, since Mary and Anne are also both names of British royals.
My headcanon is that Vanessa works to pay bills and gave Freddy access to a parenting database so he could raise him better because she wouldn’t have as much time to. At least that’s part of the post-Ruin AU I’m writing lol
Also another awesome video! These make my day lol
Oh and btw the city Hurricane, Utah is actually pronounced “Her-uh-ken” for some reason
Freddy would rock at being a stay at home dad. 🥺I bet he could make killer pancakes!
HERUHKEN?
Sorry I’m so slow, is post before or after ? 😭
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 YESSS 🥰
@@MeemahSN Yeah you can look it up if you don’t believe me lol
I’m starting to get convinced NotReal is secretly Oscar from Out of stock. (Mom is a nurse, lives by a train, and that’s all I got)
To be honest Vanessa never really felt like a mother figure imo. More like…an older sister doing her best but who is not ready for this responsibility. Roxy too has a sort of distant aunt vibe. The cool relative you only ever see during the holidays but she lets your stay up past your bedtime to watch TV and drink too much soda.
As probably one of the biggest Vanessa/Vanny fans in the fandom, I was pleasantly surprised to see her included on this list you made! You make a good point that the canon doesn't really give us much in figuring out how good of a caretaker Vanessa is to Gregory. That being said, I would like to say that there are a lot of really good stories written by the fans that have taken what exceedingly little crumbs information we have about the 2 post SB and turned them into metaphorical feasts in terms of very well written fanfics exploring the 2's dynamic.
I really hope that future installments in this series give us more legitimate information about the relationship between the 2, because if the fandom is capable of such high quality works with such little info, just imagine what might be possible if we were given more to work with.
Also for what it's worth, while I am a fan of the sibling like relationship between Vanessa and Gregory post SB, I enjoy the interpretation of their relationship being more like that of a mother and son a lot more.
4:15 Huh, didn’t realized they were singing together. Either way, she made a good choice leaving Henry after he made 4 Charlie’s.
I wonder if part of the reason there's so few moms is because the kids with present, aware mothers wouldn't generally be subjected to any of the stuff happening in FNAF. FNAF hinges on parents not watching their kids, and generally speaking, media is more likely to depict a dad who actively dislikes his kids than a mom who dislikes her kids. It's just more common to write the mom out as dead or accidentally inattentive if you need an unsupervised child. Old Disney movies tend to do this too, but to an even farther extreme. Biological dads can make bad decisions and be inattentive, but mothers have to be dead and perfect if they're blood-related to the kid.
On the Clara thing: her being a mistress might be an explanation for the whole "not my son" thing. Basically, Michael was conceived and possibly born before they got married, and William being William harbors suspicions that Michael isn't actually his. Like most of the stuff around Mrs Afton, it's pure speculation, but I think that she might have had something with Henry before she met/fell for William, acting as a seed for the ongoing jealousy of Henry.
I think there is one thing I can say about Clara for sure, beyond a shadow of a doubt… She’s into vampires.
great video! I never thought that none of the kids with dads had... moms?
anyways I think we should know more about Mrs afton
I don't remember a single part with Mrs afton.
Overall great video
Since they made a game based off Into The Pit, maybe Sylvia will get her own game next?
Also, kinda saw Vanessa as more of an "older sister" to Gregory-- maybe a sort of Nani and Lilo situation, where she's taken on a guardian role. (But still agree, don't let the child get involved with Freddy's after traumatic experiences!)
So, we got a vid on FNAF fathers, now a vid on FNAF mothers...
Next up, siblings? Best friends?
I feel like mrs afton being dead prior to the events of FNAF would make the most sense.
It would add to his obsession with remnant and preserving life if he lost his wife already and after the death of Charlotte he caught a glimpse that he might be able to bring back his CC or Elizabeth depending on what your timeline is.
I never liked him just being an evil guy from the get go and killing cause he lost his kids but killing other kids because you think it can bring yours back is a more believable motive.
Great video, NotRealName. FNAF has an interesting relationship with mother characters. Considering how many characters seem to have father issues, it makes me curious if Scott himself doesn't have issues with his own father. Might just be me reading into it, but still worth noting.
BTW. I would just like to chim in that I don't think Vanessa is going to be a mother figure to Gregory. If anything, Gregory and Vanessa are more likely going to something like a big sister and a little brother dynamic. I say this because despite the fact that Freddy is frequently seen as Gregory's father figure, I just can't see Vanessa in the role of a mother. For one thing, the age gap between her and Gregory is a lot smaller (23 and 14 respectively). But for another, Vanessa herself is hardly a mom character. I'm sorry, but this woman is a twenty-three year old who suffers from anxiety, has a pretty bad backstory, and is an utter dork to boot.
Like, seriously. She's into video games. She's a nature enthusiast with the bee migrations habits, tree house and beetle ink blob thing. She is shown to own a pink glitter notebook with puppies on it. She's interested in cupcakes (implying a sweet tooth). And Vanny acts like a total child at times! Yeah, yeah. Technically not Vanessa, but I believe that Vanny probably got some of Vanessa's traits. So it still counts.
Plus, Vanessa walks like an idiot. Like, no. Seriously. Have you've seen her walk cycle? That woman is such dork! XD
Furthermore, Vanessa is shown to be pretty aggressive (and I don't think its all due to Vanny, either) and isn't probably the type above arguing with a younger person. I mean for goodness sake. She mocks Freddy in one part of the game. I can totally see her and Gregory bickering back and forth over one thing or another, and Vanessa not just taking it lying down. She'd wrestle with the little guy, no questions asks.
Plus, Heather Masters herself once said in a stream that she enjoys getting 3-Star content and likes the brother-sister dynamic between the two. And she'd know what a mother character is like.
Furthermore, you also have to consider that Gregory can probably relate to Vanessa a lot more than you'd think. As Gregory himself was also in the same boat in regards to Glitchtrap's possession. His was forced to go through the same crap that she did. Heck. He was used against her to keep her in line (which I'd be very curious as to what Vanessa's feeling on that is). Which is why he was probably there helping her lock away the Mimic. His in this, and his not going to take being sidelined. Which is why I think Vanessa brought him along (outside of him being used as bait because he was Mimic's favorite). She can't treat him like a normal kid because 1, he won't let her, and 2, she can't.
Side note: I think the Candy Cadet story is more of a metaphor for Gregory and Cassie rather than Gregory and Vanessa. With Gregory being the mother character and Cassie being the boy due Mimic copying "the mother's voice" (aka, Gregory's voice) to lure in "the boy." (aka, Cassie).
I think the best way to put how I see Gregory and Vanessa's relationship is something akin to Lilo and Nani from Lilo and Stitch. An much older sibling taking care of a younger one, and while there certainly would be a maternal aspect to it, it wouldn't be anything motherly. That, and equals and partners in their efforts to keep the Mimic from causing harm.
And yes, I do agree that Roxy seems more like a big sister or aunt. One with a potential with a strong material streak, but not something motherly.
I also find it strange that we have next to zero on William Afton's wife. Like, seriously. I know that currently it would be pointless to try and weave her into the modern story. But they could at the very least, do something with Phone Guy and The Week Before. Because it feels like we should know more about her than we do considering her connections to so many important characters in FNAF. It'd be nice to get her name at the very least.
Also. Margie from The Real Jake is probably the best mom. She is such a sweet woman. Its such a shame with what happened to Evan and Jake. Poor woman. :( And Betty is second best mom along with Oswald's mom.
My best guess is that Scott Cawthon is (consciously or not) projecting his own fears of how his life could have a strong and unavoidable impact on his own children through the series. I guess "write what you know" is why I believe it's basically only fathers in the franchise
Everytime I revisit out of stock Oscar’s mom pisses me off. Yea she might be infinitely better than most moms in the fnaf universe, but taking your middle school child (or elementary, if I remember correctly it’s a bit vague) out of school to do unpaid work for hours at a time and taking away from not just his education but also Halloween?? ? Let alone the legality of it I just don’t think that’s a good parent idk.
I actually stopped reading Tales from the Pizzaplex because of how much the mom from that story pissed me off.
On a side note, if and when we get some kind of a sequeal to Ruin, I would love it if they gave Gregory and Vanessa an actual relationship. A lot of people have said they could see them having some kind of a sibling dynamic, and I could see it too. I honestly think the dynamics between Vanessa, Gregory, and Freddy would be really fun and interesting to explore, especially after the events of Security Breach. I'm hoping the game after Secret of the Mimic will be a continuation of Ruin, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Happy to be this early!! Love your videos!!
3:43 TOY CHICA IS WILLIAM AFTON. AND HIS WIFE.
Had to give a like just for the thumbnail alone lol that made my day keep doing great!!!!
Thank you! 8D
I suspect that Mrs. Afton owns Fazbear Entertainment at the moment. She might become more prevalent in the future, or continue being a theoretical background player.
This was nice to watch, especially knowing that Oswald's mom wins here -lol- But you got the video pretty well done, seriously, every part that you adress is complete as for what a mom should be better like and how they are better so much than the principal dads
I just want to say thank you for making these videos!! I love your channel and you’re so fun to watch! 💜🐻
Thank you so much! 😊I'm really glad to hear that, because I really love making 'em!
Me only really listening and not looking at the video at ~ 1:53 :
The videos audio: possibly connected cutscenes in security breach
Me: huh? that’s not right
The videos visuals: sister location title screen
Nice vid love your videos by the way today is my birthday
Happy Birthday! 🥳🎂🎈I hope you're having a great day!
11:48 :: I just realized that neither Vanessa or Gregory have a home. It’s implied HEAVILY that Vanessa eats, sleeps and lives in the pizzaplex. Gregory has a BOX, WHERE ARE THEY LIVING ??
“ well Andrew had a mother named Roxanne.. SHES DEAD. “ I DIDNT ASSUME SHE WAS ALIVE 😭
“ Edwin Murray !! He has a kid !! his wife is dead. “
1:35 love that one of the most important characters in the franchise never got a name (don’t come at me with Dave I don’t believe that)
I think is pretty weird that we don't have a name for Mrs. Emily in the books, i get not having one for Mrs. Afton since she is mostly aluded to in the games, but one would think that they would at least drop Mrs. Emily name in the books, even if she is just a very minor character.
Like, that drawing shown at 4:28 instead of having Aunt Jen saying "a living son and your wife" she could say "a living sok and *insert random name here*".
Edit: I agree, Roxy is not really a mom type, she does seems more like a big sister or cool aunt to me.
Notrealname lore drop?? 😮❤❤ We love to hear it!
Great vid as always!
11:36 Huh, didn’t think of that. Now I wanna see what happens with Gregory, Vanessa and Freddy after the PQE. Though, I don’t know if Gregory and Vanesa actually helped with freeing the mimic.
I think that we might get some information on the FNAF movie version of Mrs. Afton because apparently there are leaked behind the scene stuff for the second five nights at Freddy Freddy’s movie in which we get a flashback with a young William and Vanessa. But I didn’t know if it will actually happen or not for sure
13:37
It's such a fun dynamic if she really did take him along willingly
She's trying to be a mom but also allows her son to help her out in life-risking missions
She already saw what he's capable of so she probably depends on him in those situations a lot too lol
“ hey Gregory, if you come with me to the pizzaplex you literally destroyed, walk through trash and re-encounter robots that want to kill you more then ever just to come face to face with a 7ft tall devilish endo Skelton that wants to eat and kill you .. I’ll buy you icecream “
I love the idea that Vanessa just treats Gregory like the little gremlin child he absolutely is.
One of these days, we need a proper mom character relevant to the games.
The truth about Mrs. Afton: its just William. William pulled a Bowser and had kids on his own somehow, but whereas Bowser is actually a good dad to Jr, old Billy A. gets "Worst Dad in all of Gaming" not once, not twice, but at least 5 times (trilogy and movie afton are both one, Games afton is three all by himself. Thats what I can think of immediately, let me know if you find any other examples of William being the worst dad in gaming. The list will probably get larger as we get more games and movies or otherwise more info in the franchise)
Adding this last bit in here but yeah, Roxy is just the Big Sister/Cool Aunt of the cast. I think big sister probably fits slightly better given how easily jealous she gets, what with the salon sessions. Though I imagine if Fazbear actually gave any sort of a shit about their sentient animatronics and gave Roxy therapy, she'd be a really cool older sister and maybe even break into the cool aunt role.
I wonder if Scott has some doubts about his ability to parent? Or has some issues with his own father?
What about Midnight Motorist's mom?
I kinda feel like we will get a bit of background for Ms. Afton in the movie, maybe they could develop here there. That’d be great.
I believe Scott writes dads in more central roles than moms (that basically don’t get any) because he is a dad himself, write about what you know right?(although I still want more mrs afton lore).
Roxy may not be a mom but, I can still wish I had a caring older sibling like that
Scott probably can't write them well and so he just doesn't. Which is probably the right call.
That end card! Best one yet. Didn’t think anything would top “There’s an IceCream Sandwich here…”
Oh, thank you! 8D
YESSSSSS been waiting to get off work to binge this
1:48 Isn't it confirmed that this was meant to be an analog for Micheal's relationship with Fazbear Entertainment denying all the supernatural stuff and not the Aftons despite the whole fandom assuming that
Mrs. Afton was such missed potential.