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Wow, you may just have posted the video that may change my life drastically. I suffer from severe sleep apnea (36 epm) and invariably around 3 am I start to have a lower pulse and my throat starts closing more and I need more pressure but my machine is the black one (airsense 10) hence it doesn't ramp up in time and I've been functional but certainly not refreshed and properly rebooted in the mornings for literally decades. I work for a startup software fintec and I am considering this. This video illuminates the way to get a machine that may very well help me get better sleep and since I can't afford that AirCurve ASV machine I think you may just have produced the most significant video on youtube I have EVER watched. I hope you do make a howto video, even if its a silent one under a new account made under vpn, this could change my life and many others. For those without severe sleep apnea I know I sound completely OVER the top, but guys like me didn't get a good night sleep in decades so forgive the enthusiasm.
I have disassembled both the Resmed Airsence 10 CPAP, and the Aircurve 10 BiPap. Looks like every component is identical including the motor and circuit boards. They just unlock specific modes in the firmware for the type of machine, and change the name of them.
@@tylerburke8790 I was able to disassemble the Aisense 10 without any issues, and I downloaded openocd with some difficulty, but when I run the sudo command it doesn't work. I have very limited programming experience. Do you know where I could see a good tutorial or would you be willing to help I could make it worth your while. Thanks,
@@jeffreylylemason At the moment there is no tutorial because it’s not fully proven that it works on all devices. Airbreak is a patch and it needs to stay this way. The resmed firmware is owned by resmed which is why no firmware dumps can be uploaded it’s illegal to do so and will jeopardise the hard work the Airbreak team put into developing the jailbreak. Resmed will hunt anyone down who decides to upload it and they have every right to do so. But you are allowed to dump your own copy of the firmware run the patch yourself and upload it to your device. It’s worth to note that all modes with in the patch are a stripped out version due to the flash memory only being 1 mb in size on some devices. There are a lot of setting that are missing from each mode but the main functions of each mode work. I might do a video on how to patch the firmware and the easiest way to do so but as for copyright of the firmware I’ll leave that in your hands
I've seen this done by a ResMed engineer. However it should be noted that a true ResMed bipap model doesn't have AutoSet or AutoSet For Her modes (unless you've unlocked some kind of test system mode). Also there is a bipap model that has double the amount of RAM on-board. I do believe it's for the ASV model which runs the more complex of therapy modes. Also the other hidden costs for bipap devices is the more stringent regulatory requirements that the device must conform to. You can see some of that in such minor detail as the bipap DC power cable which has a retaining clip. My understanding is that this process was used on the S9 models and undoubtedly will be used on the AirCurve 11 bipap models. We probably won't see any of the AirCurve 11 Bipap models until later next year as they'll have to go through a 510(k) pre-market submission, which I've been told, at best takes 6 months. I can see ResMed wanting to fast track this development so as to take advantage of Philips' woes at the moment. The prospect of this has seen the stellar rise of the RMD share price over the past few months. It should be noted that turning your AirSense 10 into a bipap machine has absolutely no therapeutic advantage for an OSA sufferer, in fact it could be detrimental for your treatment. Bipap machines treat non-compliant OSA and the more serious respiratory disorders.
Thank you mate! I recently undertook the conversion and posted earlier how it didn't work. Well I actually found the solution to my problem and it came from another video you made! Thank you so much for your assist!!! During my first go around, I accidentally nudged the motherboard a bit and caused the pressure sensors to not get aligned with the rubber plugs. This caused my machine to go on the fritz!. it just started going berserk! After I saw your video on the motor replacement on the s9 you specifically made mention to make sure you align the pressure sensors when fitting the motherboard back into the housing. Well just by chance I was looking at the rubber pieces and they were not connected to the sensor. Nudged it back and there ya go! perfect as a resmed should be! Thank you again so very much! I deleted my original comment cause I didn't want to scare people from experimenting. THANK YOU!!!! Looking forward to your next video. Love the accent btw. :)
I had suspected that the difference between my new AirCurve ASV and my husband's AirSense 10 was nothing more than a computer chip/programming. And as soon as the Phillips recall hit, the cost went even higher. The cheapest ASV machine I found was $3450.US! Still curious as to what Phillips is going to do for me and all the BiPap/ASV folks.
t Stricklin Not at all. They want to stall long enough for you to remove the foam yourself in frustration waiting for their "fix". Once you remove the foam, they can deny your claim... because you've "modified" the machine; no more warranty!
Hey, i will. Your motor probably has dust in it. It's very common. I use to fix some by taking them apart and using an air compressor to fire short bursts of air into the turbine to try and remove the debris / dust. Use to work fairly often. Cheers, Nicko
I also understand that the ResMed 10 units can all go to 30 cm H2O, but are limited via the Firmware. Hence why some of the effectively identical ResMed AirCurve 10 units do go to 25 cm H2O, using the exact same Pump Unit and Plumbing. Indeed, both Models could hit 30 if it were allowed by the Firmware. I do appreciate this is primarily a design overhead so both can function long term at their permitted pressures
Obstructive sleep apnea = cpap machine. Central sleep apnea = bipap machine. Complex sleep apnea = ASV, Adaptive Servo-Ventilator. Been using one for 9 years. First one purchased in 2012 was $9000. Slightly less in 2019 for my second ASV since technology advances has brought the price down slightly..
The huge price differences are a concern. In the smartphone analogy you gave you'd expect to pay more for a better phone with a better camera or screen or whatever. As a consumer you CHOOSE which phone you want and pay the price if you agree to it. With PAP machines you are prescribed a machine, there is no "choice" being made. Essentially people with certain health conditions pay more for a device to help them. Insurance may cover the cost or may not. Given the hardware is identical the huge price differences are not justifiable. It's not the same as different medical conditions requiring different treatments. The "treatment" from a PAP machine is identical from the patients perspective. As you have said in the past Nick the algorithms aren't that great anyhow, there is a lot of room for improvement.
I knew this was the case when they offer EPR on the standard autoset. The retail prices you quote are not consistent with what resmed sell them for online. The Bipap machines go for $2800 if my memory serves me correct and a autoset is $1800. I guess they also build into the cost warranty recovery because if you're making the motor ramp up and down fast it's going to add more stress.
As a professional firmware developer who also owns an Airsense 10 I can categorically state that the firmware powering these devices is VERY basic and would have been a mere tiny fraction of the overall machine development cost.
@@CPAPReviews Hi Nick. Don't know if you've done a vid on this but did you know also that Philips locked out the ability for users to read their own SD cards with DS2?? So no OSCAR or similar which many people have come to depend on as a necessity to help maximise the efficacy of their therapies...
You ought to be more upset about Aussies getting ripped off outrageously. In the US, an Airsense 10 auto CPAP retails for US$969 and the BiPAP for US$1250. Either the manufacturers are screwing you, or the chemists, or the government (by imposing rules that somehow cause these price differences.)
I'm been furious at this for ages mate! ResMed even put a block on Aussies importing devices from the U.S to avoid the extortion. ResMed even blocked the sale of devices online here in Australia to try stop online discounting. That online ban which is still upheld by our ACCC cpap.review/resmed-online-sales and that is ban is still around although no longer enforced as ResMed now sells direct to consumer through their own e-commerce store. They also heavily discount on that store competing directly with their resellers yet still charging resellers based on the full retail prices. What's even worse is that we manufacturer them here too! So they build it here, ship it all the way over to the U.S and then sell it for 1/3 the price. It's a circus mate. Cheers
@@CPAPReviews Also suspect with the massive health insurance companies in the US paying for machines that has something to do with keeping prices down. In Australia they're free to charge whatever they want.
I assume it's Resmed itself preventing American suppliers from selling directly to them. We pay more in Canada as well (although not as high as Aussies.) Resmed will no longer allow American suppliers to ship us either Resmed machines or masks. (I've been told this by a major American supplier.) We hsve to buy them from Canadian sources & as a result, we pay more.
Yep the insurance providers certainly have a lot to do with it as that is the bulk of their business and also they have to be competitive when competing for the insurance contracts although the only two companies that get them are Philips and ResMed and you know they're both in bed together so i imagine they have some 'agreements' not to compete to hard on those contracts etc. They probably have a good 50-50 split i imagine. Cheers
@@CPAPReviews sounds like I was lucky to purchase my New AirSense 10 Autoset for $1388.00 in Australia, unless the prices are starting to equalize with US prices....
While waiting for Philips to send a new or repaired DreamStation ASV unit, my insurance company approved a replacement RESMED, and I am told that I am next in line when a new unit is available. Not sure how long that will be, but good news nevertheless since I only had the Phillips for less than 2 years.
Really interesting stuff Nick. Yeah I don’t think I own anything anymore that I haven’t voided the warranty. However I’m still paying this off so I’ll wait a while. Also there must be a way of resetting that date or is this a “firmware upgrade also that has the “date as being the expiration.” Thanks again great stuff as always.
Hey mate, i'm only just learning this stuff but i imagine you could use the airbreak to do anything you like if you're comfortable with programming, running commands in terminal etc. Because my AS10 was old, the airbreak firmware was not compatible so i ended up doing a modified version which included dumping firmware off my bipap and then flashing it onto my auto. This did not change the hours on the clock when i performed it. Cheers brother. Nicko
@@CPAPReviews thanks again Nick. But in response to getting ripped off we get creative. 😈 As the old man used to say there’s more than one way to skin a cat. As far entities screwing us there’s a line at the door 🤣😂 Take care for now Nick ✌️
I just got an airsense 10 with 533 hours and like 100 nose pillows, 4 heat hoses, 4 of the other hoses that attach to the heat hose, 4 tanks and like 100 filters for 150.00
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Because Resmed basically owns the Cpap market here so they can charge whatever they like and as Nick has said they even put a block on consumers importing machines to get a fairer price.
Attn RESMED TEAM - This is "UN AUSTRALIAN" charging such an exorbitant price, just for some silly soft ware. We r not talking about any high end artificial intelligence stuff. Pls remember, most patients will be spending their hard earned money, so they can "BREATH" while they sleep. Hope you guys can sleep well with all this breathing money. One day we all STOP breathing and no machines or better say money can help us to breath. Thank you Nick for this investigative journalism. U reminded me about the movie "All the President's Men". Pls keep up your brilliant job. Now this is what we call Australian way.
While the firmware no doubt cost a lot to develop, it is no doubt 95% plus the same between the models... and the fact some guy hacked it to do bipap says that someone with the source code and knowing what they are doing could probably engineer the difference in some weeks of work.
I was wondering why my new Aircurve Vauto had the black casing. At first I thought the company sent my the wrong product and I was pissed but it functions perfectly as a BiPap
I did a performed a slightly different version of airbrake where i dumped firmware off a bipap and flashed it onto a cpap and yes it's still compatible. Cheers
I had to switcht a bipap, the last time I had the stats checked, (last month) The part where I forget to breath while sleeping is getting worse. They said I may need to upgrade to a another machine that will force a breath if I go too long with out breathing?
Hi Nicko, I do have mine unlocked, actually I sent email to GitHub developer that said: go and get it at no cost, I have no use to id, if it will help you , just get it with my daughter. He refused any payment, asked to pay it forward helping others. My question is, he unlocked the firmware 306 but I don't believe all modes are working properly, just ASV Auto seam to work. Have you tested all modes? Are you able to run multiple modes with SD card inserted in? The Airsense 10 reboots on its own if I try to use in any mode except ASV Auto. Can you share patched FW?
Hi Niko... Nice work..... would love to see that "how to" follow vid mentioned... luv ur work.... a quick question.. Did you have the SX567-0401 version of the firmware on your AS10 before starting? I would love to try it, but my old machine is 0306.... If your firmware was older than 0401, you mind sharing how you addressed issue from link "The script might fail if the hashes of your extracted firmware do not match the one that it expects (currently SX567-0401). If you have a different version, please contact us for how to proceed."??? Thanks Mate!!
G'day legend, yeah i will do a vid. Yes my firmware was old so need to do a few work arounds to dump / flash the new firmware. I just need to be a bit careful as ResMed will be very angry at this sort of a vid. Cheers
G'day, Nick; Thank you for all you do. Good video, thanks much. How can we contact you? I have an AirSense 10 & need some advice / info. Have a GREAT day, Neighbor!
Great for you. In which country do you live? Nick, and myself, live in Australia and our dollar value affects the cost. If you are in USA then that equals about $909AUD which actually is a very good price in Australia. I have just looked at the store I bought my Airsense 10 at and they sell it for $1695AUD and all varieties of the device are sold out.
@@trekketoo. I also find that I prefer the Resmed I have now over the Philips I had previously. Even before the recall I used the Philips machine purely because I knew I had to, where as now I actually enjoy using the Resmed and I sleep better.
Looked into this projects and unfortunately it requires specific firmware number to be patched as well as teardown of the machine and special adapters. The guys that've tried it say not all the setting are in fact enabled and furthermore the original developers seemed to have abandoned the project.
G'day, what i did was just dump the firmware off an Aircurve and flash it onto an AirSense. It was pretty easy but you do have to source a few components to connect up to the PCB board to dump/flash the firmware. Cheers
@@CPAPReviews Thanks...the only discussion I could find was in the CPAPtalk forum. They mentioned the developers Github that does the breakdown but that left more questions on where to source a patched or modded firmware than answers, mostly because they haven't updated or expanded on the project. If you have a file you could share it would save alot of time trying to get an actual unit to source it from. Obviously at my own risk.
Is VENTMED A copy OF RESMED, or does VENTMED manufacture RESMED machines. Ie VENTMED Dream Space DS-6 CPAP, DS- 7 BIPAP, DS-8 BIPAP AUTO (around US$400 from China). The plastic and switches are like Resmed machines and the screen is the same. I've been using it for last three months with the Philips mask (which cost in Australia half the price of the BIPAP machine. The Bipap machine comes with a full face mask, but it is inferior to the Philips).
Aussies are getting ripped off. I got a brand new Resmed Airsense 10 with heated tube, cradle mask, carry bag etc etc for around AUD$1000 here in Thailand a few weeks ago.
Here's the difference. If you want it and can afford it great buy it. With medical conditions its not like you are making a choice to buy an ASV machine, if you need one you need one. It's the difference between wants and needs.
Hi, I am from melbourne. I have an aircurve 10 asv. It suddenly started making a sound. Can you help me in the right direction on how I can deal with this.
I also have copd & oxygen is fitted to my resmed air curve 10. I have terrible dry mouth & what feels like a film on my teeth. What should I do? Thanks
I asked ResMed this prior to COVID and was only told the machine runs for a bit at low flow to remove moisture. They never addressed how to clean/sanitize the internal tubing/parts surfaces.
It's a great question mate and i'm definitely doing a video on it. There's a bit about it in the clinical guide of the airsense 11 - cpap.review/airsense-11-clinical-guide . Cheers
Hi and thank you! My cord/plug adapter isn't making the machine turn on, and I'm assuming that it has something to do with where the cord plugs into the machine (outlet port?) bc I have tried 3 different cords and different outlets and nothing makes it turn on. Does anyone have this problem? The light flickers for a second at best....
Fella I'm looking to buy a new bipap but nup definitely not paying 8k they're bloody dreaming I work too hard for my money. Can I pay you to do this upgrade for me? Happy to pay you good cash to avoid giving more money to the big pharma dogs.
Not to be "that guy" but if your messing with firmware on the device beware of lawsuits from Resmed. I believe there have been lawsuits over things like jail breaking devices in the past.
@@BriansRCStuff. Yeah it appears to be that way. Which is why if my machine just happens to have a few more functions than it started with I'll be keeping it low key.
I’ve had my AirSense 10 around 4 years, unfortunately my insurance owns it but I’m still thinking about doing the upgrade because I’d rather have it function like a BiPap machine. Something my insurance company won’t pay for.
@@Resist4. I've only ever used a Bi-pap but I can absolutely see why you would want that functionality if you didn't have it. I would assume as long as you don't brick the device in the process your insurance probably won't notice the change but im not sure how the reporting software works or what your user agreement with the insurance company looks like.
@@huntsbychainsaw5986 so I looked at the Airbreak site and while I'm very mechanically inclined, it just looks like too much work for me. I wish ResMed would offer the software upgrade to current AirSense 10 users. I'd pay half the difference of the 10 and 11. Or maybe the Airbreak people can do it for a price. But yeah, I really want a BiPac because I've had numerous times where it just seemed like I couldn't exhale enough air and felt like positive pressure breathing (from my military aircraft days), it's too much work.
Dear god! $8000??? Here in Ontario, Canada the AirSense 10 FH is only $215 CAD ($860 before government healthcare) and the AirCurve 10 V Auto is $280 CAD ($1120 before govt healthcare). That is absolute extortion
Yeah it's pretty crazy! Aussies been getting played for years and ResMed considers itself and 'Aussie company'. Pretty pathetic. Glad to see there's some good rebates from your healthcare. Cheers
Nick, your comments (imbedded in other comments) regarding gov. control and price gouging should be moved to Pinned at the top. Those practices are simply outrageous!! S/B more looting and burning in protest!! (Ha ha)
Hey mate, so it depends how you jailbrake it. because my firmware was a bit older i just dumped the firmware from my Aircurve and then flashed it onto my Autoset basically turning my autoset into an Aircurve. I believe the original airbreak turns your device into an ASV
I would like to help people do this, I can patch to them for free, here in Brazil ST-A Airsense cost equivalent to 17-20 minimum salary and it is not covered my insurance. Many people cannot use cpap due high expiratory pressure or central apneas as well cannot effort buy bipap.
Hey brother, for 90% of people the AS10 is going to do the job just fine. Probably only worthwhile if you're someone with central or complex osa and can't afford the crazy prices etc. Cheers
Can I talk to Jamal? I have an Airsense 10 Autoset that was hacked either by my DME, or (I really suspect) some big pharma asshat or perhaps a mercenary to blow hard enough to wake me up. I could send the motherboard and have him reinstall the proper software. Anyone out there know Jamal?
I call bullshit on the expense of today's tech,maby 50 yrs ago devolvement of new devices were terribly expensive but today's tech stands on the shoulder of yesterday's tech. (if that makes since) . It's all about the dollar bills yo! , Every body wants to get as rich as possible as fast as possible instead of caring about one another. It's a shitty business model
Watching your video is so much fun because it's good, attractive and engaging. Thank you. For a very enjoyable experience. You are so wonderful. Wishing you success and good health. Beautifully beautiful. I really like people like you. My good friend.@&₫&”
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Wow, you may just have posted the video that may change my life drastically. I suffer from severe sleep apnea (36 epm) and invariably around 3 am I start to have a lower pulse and my throat starts closing more and I need more pressure but my machine is the black one (airsense 10) hence it doesn't ramp up in time and I've been functional but certainly not refreshed and properly rebooted in the mornings for literally decades. I work for a startup software fintec and I am considering this. This video illuminates the way to get a machine that may very well help me get better sleep and since I can't afford that AirCurve ASV machine I think you may just have produced the most significant video on youtube I have EVER watched. I hope you do make a howto video, even if its a silent one under a new account made under vpn, this could change my life and many others. For those without severe sleep apnea I know I sound completely OVER the top, but guys like me didn't get a good night sleep in decades so forgive the enthusiasm.
I have disassembled both the Resmed Airsence 10 CPAP, and the Aircurve 10 BiPap. Looks like every component is identical including the motor and circuit boards. They just unlock specific modes in the firmware for the type of machine, and change the name of them.
Hey Sam, thanks for the validation brother. Nick :)
The instructions say it assumes a firmware version SX567-0401, but mine is SX567-0302. Anyway to get arround this issue?
@@jeffreylylemason You can still patch without it you need to dump your firmware extract the hash key and copy that into the patch file then run it
@@tylerburke8790 I was able to disassemble the Aisense 10 without any issues, and I downloaded openocd with some difficulty, but when I run the sudo command it doesn't work. I have very limited programming experience. Do you know where I could see a good tutorial or would you be willing to help I could make it worth your while. Thanks,
@@jeffreylylemason At the moment there is no tutorial because it’s not fully proven that it works on all devices. Airbreak is a patch and it needs to stay this way. The resmed firmware is owned by resmed which is why no firmware dumps can be uploaded it’s illegal to do so and will jeopardise the hard work the Airbreak team put into developing the jailbreak. Resmed will hunt anyone down who decides to upload it and they have every right to do so. But you are allowed to dump your own copy of the firmware run the patch yourself and upload it to your device. It’s worth to note that all modes with in the patch are a stripped out version due to the flash memory only being 1 mb in size on some devices. There are a lot of setting that are missing from each mode but the main functions of each mode work. I might do a video on how to patch the firmware and the easiest way to do so but as for copyright of the firmware I’ll leave that in your hands
I've seen this done by a ResMed engineer. However it should be noted that a true ResMed bipap model doesn't have AutoSet or AutoSet For Her modes (unless you've unlocked some kind of test system mode). Also there is a bipap model that has double the amount of RAM on-board. I do believe it's for the ASV model which runs the more complex of therapy modes.
Also the other hidden costs for bipap devices is the more stringent regulatory requirements that the device must conform to. You can see some of that in such minor detail as the bipap DC power cable which has a retaining clip.
My understanding is that this process was used on the S9 models and undoubtedly will be used on the AirCurve 11 bipap models. We probably won't see any of the AirCurve 11 Bipap models until later next year as they'll have to go through a 510(k) pre-market submission, which I've been told, at best takes 6 months. I can see ResMed wanting to fast track this development so as to take advantage of Philips' woes at the moment. The prospect of this has seen the stellar rise of the RMD share price over the past few months.
It should be noted that turning your AirSense 10 into a bipap machine has absolutely no therapeutic advantage for an OSA sufferer, in fact it could be detrimental for your treatment. Bipap machines treat non-compliant OSA and the more serious respiratory disorders.
Hey Mark, that's awesome info! Thanks for sharing it. All the best. Nick
Thank you mate! I recently undertook the conversion and posted earlier how it didn't work. Well I actually found the solution to my problem and it came from another video you made! Thank you so much for your assist!!! During my first go around, I accidentally nudged the motherboard a bit and caused the pressure sensors to not get aligned with the rubber plugs. This caused my machine to go on the fritz!. it just started going berserk! After I saw your video on the motor replacement on the s9 you specifically made mention to make sure you align the pressure sensors when fitting the motherboard back into the housing. Well just by chance I was looking at the rubber pieces and they were not connected to the sensor. Nudged it back and there ya go! perfect as a resmed should be! Thank you again so very much! I deleted my original comment cause I didn't want to scare people from experimenting. THANK YOU!!!! Looking forward to your next video. Love the accent btw. :)
Dr evil, nice touch.
Thanks brother, If the shoe fits right ;-)
Lol.
I had suspected that the difference between my new AirCurve ASV and my husband's AirSense 10 was nothing more than a computer chip/programming. And as soon as the Phillips recall hit, the cost went even higher. The cheapest ASV machine I found was $3450.US! Still curious as to what Phillips is going to do for me and all the BiPap/ASV folks.
Eazy ,just waiting for us to Kroke 😵
t Stricklin Not at all. They want to stall long enough for you to remove the foam yourself in frustration waiting for their "fix".
Once you remove the foam, they can deny your claim... because you've "modified" the machine; no more warranty!
@@oneselmo already did that a few months ago,machine n myself are doing nicly
Please do the tutorial. I now have a noisy AirSense 10 that I would love to mess with.
Hey, i will. Your motor probably has dust in it. It's very common. I use to fix some by taking them apart and using an air compressor to fire short bursts of air into the turbine to try and remove the debris / dust. Use to work fairly often. Cheers, Nicko
Thanks would really appreciate a mac or Linux video tutorial!
Would you consider doing it for people for a fee??
I also understand that the ResMed 10 units can all go to 30 cm H2O, but are limited via the Firmware. Hence why some of the effectively identical ResMed AirCurve 10 units do go to 25 cm H2O, using the exact same Pump Unit and Plumbing. Indeed, both Models could hit 30 if it were allowed by the Firmware. I do appreciate this is primarily a design overhead so both can function long term at their permitted pressures
Good point Keith. Cheers mate. Nicko
Nick .Thanks for keeping us informed .I enjoy your videos that you put up .Thanks Mate ....
Hey man, i'm glad you liked it! Thanks very much. Nicko
I just got my AirSense 10. Your channel is so helpful man. Cheers frim across the pond. 🇺🇸🦅
Obstructive sleep apnea = cpap machine.
Central sleep apnea = bipap machine.
Complex sleep apnea = ASV, Adaptive Servo-Ventilator. Been using one for 9 years. First one purchased in 2012 was $9000. Slightly less in 2019 for my second ASV since technology advances has brought the price down slightly..
Thanks for sharing your insights Ruthie. Best wishes. Nick
The huge price differences are a concern.
In the smartphone analogy you gave you'd expect to pay more for a better phone with a better camera or screen or whatever. As a consumer you CHOOSE which phone you want and pay the price if you agree to it.
With PAP machines you are prescribed a machine, there is no "choice" being made. Essentially people with certain health conditions pay more for a device to help them. Insurance may cover the cost or may not. Given the hardware is identical the huge price differences are not justifiable. It's not the same as different medical conditions requiring different treatments. The "treatment" from a PAP machine is identical from the patients perspective.
As you have said in the past Nick the algorithms aren't that great anyhow, there is a lot of room for improvement.
I knew this was the case when they offer EPR on the standard autoset.
The retail prices you quote are not consistent with what resmed sell them for online. The Bipap machines go for $2800 if my memory serves me correct and a autoset is $1800.
I guess they also build into the cost warranty recovery because if you're making the motor ramp up and down fast it's going to add more stress.
Yep it's the ASV machines that would be closer to the 8k AUD mark if anything. Motor stress difference is negligible.
As a professional firmware developer who also owns an Airsense 10 I can categorically state that the firmware powering these devices is VERY basic and would have been a mere tiny fraction of the overall machine development cost.
Mate i really appreciate the verification. Thank you! Nick 🍻
@@CPAPReviews Hi Nick. Don't know if you've done a vid on this but did you know also that Philips locked out the ability for users to read their own SD cards with DS2?? So no OSCAR or similar which many people have come to depend on as a necessity to help maximise the efficacy of their therapies...
I would love to see a side-by-side list of the different data available after the Airbreak.
I'm going to do some more AirBreak vids in the future mate ;-). Cheers
We've been waiting 2 years now, Nick. Has Resmed told you to forget about it?@@CPAPReviews
You ought to be more upset about Aussies getting ripped off outrageously. In the US, an Airsense 10 auto CPAP retails for US$969 and the BiPAP for US$1250. Either the manufacturers are screwing you, or the chemists, or the government (by imposing rules that somehow cause these price differences.)
I'm been furious at this for ages mate! ResMed even put a block on Aussies importing devices from the U.S to avoid the extortion. ResMed even blocked the sale of devices online here in Australia to try stop online discounting. That online ban which is still upheld by our ACCC cpap.review/resmed-online-sales and that is ban is still around although no longer enforced as ResMed now sells direct to consumer through their own e-commerce store. They also heavily discount on that store competing directly with their resellers yet still charging resellers based on the full retail prices. What's even worse is that we manufacturer them here too! So they build it here, ship it all the way over to the U.S and then sell it for 1/3 the price. It's a circus mate. Cheers
@@CPAPReviews Also suspect with the massive health insurance companies in the US paying for machines that has something to do with keeping prices down. In Australia they're free to charge whatever they want.
I assume it's Resmed itself preventing American suppliers from selling directly to them. We pay more in Canada as well (although not as high as Aussies.) Resmed will no longer allow American suppliers to ship us either Resmed machines or masks. (I've been told this by a major American supplier.) We hsve to buy them from Canadian sources & as a result, we pay more.
Yep the insurance providers certainly have a lot to do with it as that is the bulk of their business and also they have to be competitive when competing for the insurance contracts although the only two companies that get them are Philips and ResMed and you know they're both in bed together so i imagine they have some 'agreements' not to compete to hard on those contracts etc. They probably have a good 50-50 split i imagine. Cheers
@@CPAPReviews sounds like I was lucky to purchase my New AirSense 10 Autoset for $1388.00 in Australia, unless the prices are starting to equalize with US prices....
Thanks. I wonder taking anything apart, my Resmed Air10 is perfect as it is, thanks for your information 🥰
Riiiiight lol. I didn't spend 5 years in evil medical school to be called "Mister" Thank you very much.
hahahaha, love it!
Definitely! I’d like to know how involved. You never know if you might need that info.
Do a tutorial for education purposes :)
WOW Thank you!
Welcome mate, glad you liked it. Nicko
Thanks mate, always with great info, this is so cool!
I had no idea that the Resmed Aircurve 10 V Auto that the VA gave me for free was worth so much. I’ll treat it a little better.
Nice one mate :)
While waiting for Philips to send a new or repaired DreamStation ASV unit, my insurance company approved a replacement RESMED, and I am told that I am next in line when a new unit is available. Not sure how long that will be, but good news nevertheless since I only had the Phillips for less than 2 years.
Certainly good news mate! It will be 10 times better. Cheers
Really interesting stuff Nick. Yeah I don’t think I own anything anymore that I haven’t voided the warranty. However I’m still paying this off so I’ll wait a while. Also there must be a way of resetting that date or is this a “firmware upgrade also that has the “date as being the expiration.” Thanks again great stuff as always.
Hey mate, i'm only just learning this stuff but i imagine you could use the airbreak to do anything you like if you're comfortable with programming, running commands in terminal etc. Because my AS10 was old, the airbreak firmware was not compatible so i ended up doing a modified version which included dumping firmware off my bipap and then flashing it onto my auto. This did not change the hours on the clock when i performed it. Cheers brother. Nicko
@@CPAPReviews thanks again Nick. But in response to getting ripped off we get creative. 😈 As the old man used to say there’s more than one way to skin a cat. As far entities screwing us there’s a line at the door 🤣😂 Take care for now Nick ✌️
I just got an airsense 10 with 533 hours and like 100 nose pillows, 4 heat hoses, 4 of the other hoses that attach to the heat hose, 4 tanks and like 100 filters for 150.00
If you want to check out the airbrake you can visit www.airbreak.dev
Big thanks to Tyler who helped me out. You're a good man! Cheers
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That's interesting that the bi-pap you have is grey. Whilst my machine is black just like the cpap machine.
might be a different model bi-pap mate. There's a few of them and some are black. Cheers
My ResMed Air Sense 10 was right at $1,000
I paid $99 after insurance
Why so expensive down there?
Because Resmed basically owns the Cpap market here so they can charge whatever they like and as Nick has said they even put a block on consumers importing machines to get a fairer price.
Attn RESMED TEAM - This is "UN AUSTRALIAN" charging such an exorbitant price, just for some silly soft ware. We r not talking about any high end artificial intelligence stuff. Pls remember, most patients will be spending their hard earned money, so they can "BREATH" while they sleep. Hope you guys can sleep well with all this breathing money. One day we all STOP breathing and no machines or better say money can help us to breath. Thank you Nick for this investigative journalism. U reminded me about the movie "All the President's Men". Pls keep up your brilliant job. Now this is what we call Australian way.
You should add links into description, too. Not all handheld devices display screen overlays.
There's already links in the description. I always add them. Cheers
While the firmware no doubt cost a lot to develop, it is no doubt 95% plus the same between the models... and the fact some guy hacked it to do bipap says that someone with the source code and knowing what they are doing could probably engineer the difference in some weeks of work.
I was wondering why my new Aircurve Vauto had the black casing. At first I thought the company sent my the wrong product and I was pissed but it functions perfectly as a BiPap
Wow, that's very interesting! Thanks for sharing :)
Is it still compatible with Sleep HQ and Oscar?
I did a performed a slightly different version of airbrake where i dumped firmware off a bipap and flashed it onto a cpap and yes it's still compatible. Cheers
i have been on CPAP since 1995!! my 3rd machine is an older(about 4yrs) Dream Station Auto!!! my p95==18!! my API
I had to switcht a bipap, the last time I had the stats checked, (last month) The part where I forget to breath while sleeping is getting worse. They said I may need to upgrade to a another machine that will force a breath if I go too long with out breathing?
Hi Nicko, I do have mine unlocked, actually I sent email to GitHub developer that said: go and get it at no cost, I have no use to id, if it will help you , just get it with my daughter. He refused any payment, asked to pay it forward helping others. My question is, he unlocked the firmware 306 but I don't believe all modes are working properly, just ASV Auto seam to work. Have you tested all modes? Are you able to run multiple modes with SD card inserted in? The Airsense 10 reboots on its own if I try to use in any mode except ASV Auto. Can you share patched FW?
Hi Niko... Nice work..... would love to see that "how to" follow vid mentioned... luv ur work.... a quick question.. Did you have the SX567-0401 version of the firmware on your AS10 before starting? I would love to try it, but my old machine is 0306.... If your firmware was older than 0401, you mind sharing how you addressed issue from link "The script might fail if the hashes of your extracted firmware do not match the one that it expects (currently SX567-0401). If you have a different version, please contact us for how to proceed."??? Thanks Mate!!
G'day legend, yeah i will do a vid. Yes my firmware was old so need to do a few work arounds to dump / flash the new firmware. I just need to be a bit careful as ResMed will be very angry at this sort of a vid. Cheers
@@CPAPReviews Have you made a video yet? I'm not sure if I have missed it
I have an Autoset for Her I'd love to try this on. I use an Aircurve Vauto as my main machine.
G'day, Nick;
Thank you for all you do.
Good video, thanks much.
How can we contact you?
I have an AirSense 10 & need some advice / info.
Have a GREAT day, Neighbor!
I just bought a resmed airsense 10 for $670
Great for you. In which country do you live? Nick, and myself, live in Australia and our dollar value affects the cost. If you are in USA then that equals about $909AUD which actually is a very good price in Australia. I have just looked at the store I bought my Airsense 10 at and they sell it for $1695AUD and all varieties of the device are sold out.
@@l214laus I'm finding I like the resmed better too. Seems to be easier to clean.
Yeah i was quoting Aussie retail prices. There will be range of prices in different countries and websites. Cheers
@@CPAPReviews I love your videos and the knowledge you share. Thank you 😊
@@trekketoo. I also find that I prefer the Resmed I have now over the Philips I had previously. Even before the recall I used the Philips machine purely because I knew I had to, where as now I actually enjoy using the Resmed and I sleep better.
My answer before viewing the rest of the video is..... it's the amount your insurance company is willing to pay for the device?
Love to see a jail break video!!
Looked into this projects and unfortunately it requires specific firmware number to be patched as well as teardown of the machine and special adapters. The guys that've tried it say not all the setting are in fact enabled and furthermore the original developers seemed to have abandoned the project.
G'day, what i did was just dump the firmware off an Aircurve and flash it onto an AirSense. It was pretty easy but you do have to source a few components to connect up to the PCB board to dump/flash the firmware. Cheers
@@CPAPReviews Thanks...the only discussion I could find was in the CPAPtalk forum. They mentioned the developers Github that does the breakdown but that left more questions on where to source a patched or modded firmware than answers, mostly because they haven't updated or expanded on the project. If you have a file you could share it would save alot of time trying to get an actual unit to source it from. Obviously at my own risk.
@@CPAPReviews Great job mate! Please share some info.
Do I have to upload into AirSense any specifc Aircurve firmware version or it doesn't matter ?
Is VENTMED A copy OF RESMED, or does VENTMED manufacture RESMED machines. Ie VENTMED Dream Space DS-6 CPAP, DS- 7 BIPAP, DS-8 BIPAP AUTO (around US$400 from China). The plastic and switches are like Resmed machines and the screen is the same. I've been using it for last three months with the Philips mask (which cost in Australia half the price of the BIPAP machine. The Bipap machine comes with a full face mask, but it is inferior to the Philips).
Thank you
World of a difference from a therapy perspective.
Link to firmware flash please
I did a modified version of the original hack at www.airbreak.dev . I have a Macbook so need to use a few work arounds. Cheers
@@CPAPReviews also have a MacBook. Can you provide more details on how you flash yours?
Aussies are getting ripped off. I got a brand new Resmed Airsense 10 with heated tube, cradle mask, carry bag etc etc for around AUD$1000 here in Thailand a few weeks ago.
Yeah mate, we always do! It sucks. ResMed also tries very hard to block CPAP machines from being imported etc. Bastards!
@@CPAPReviews You will be surprised how much we are getting charged here in Singapore...
Mate!!!! Get the tutorial happening so we can allllll get bang for our bucks!!! Resmed can go stick it
Was wandering if you have the tutorial to do the air break?
Reminds me of Tesla. The "Full Self Driving" capability costs $15,000 US. Same car.
Here's the difference. If you want it and can afford it great buy it. With medical conditions its not like you are making a choice to buy an ASV machine, if you need one you need one. It's the difference between wants and needs.
Hi,
I am from melbourne. I have an aircurve 10 asv. It suddenly started making a sound. Can you help me in the right direction on how I can deal with this.
I also have copd & oxygen is fitted to my resmed air curve 10. I have terrible dry mouth & what feels like a film on my teeth. What should I do? Thanks
Sorry off Topic but wondering How does one clean the inside of the machine itself especially with Covid around these days?
I asked ResMed this prior to COVID and was only told the machine runs for a bit at low flow to remove moisture. They never addressed how to clean/sanitize the internal tubing/parts surfaces.
@@Resist4 Damn, so what are we supposed to do? I don't think Soclean or any other cleaner gets the inside of the machine right.
It's a great question mate and i'm definitely doing a video on it. There's a bit about it in the clinical guide of the airsense 11 - cpap.review/airsense-11-clinical-guide . Cheers
Did you ever post the how to video?
Hi and thank you! My cord/plug adapter isn't making the machine turn on, and I'm assuming that it has something to do with where the cord plugs into the machine (outlet port?) bc I have tried 3 different cords and different outlets and nothing makes it turn on. Does anyone have this problem? The light flickers for a second at best....
So what is the difrent then I have the air since from the hospital at home afther some sleep test
Fella I'm looking to buy a new bipap but nup definitely not paying 8k they're bloody dreaming I work too hard for my money. Can I pay you to do this upgrade for me? Happy to pay you good cash to avoid giving more money to the big pharma dogs.
I’d really love to have access to a tutorial or any reference documents or software. I want to hack mine. It’s out of warranty already.
Not to be "that guy" but if your messing with firmware on the device beware of lawsuits from Resmed. I believe there have been lawsuits over things like jail breaking devices in the past.
They are so dirty.... such a dirty company. More dirty that Phillips? Nah.... but a different kind of DIRTY!
@@BriansRCStuff. Yeah it appears to be that way. Which is why if my machine just happens to have a few more functions than it started with I'll be keeping it low key.
I’ve had my AirSense 10 around 4 years, unfortunately my insurance owns it but I’m still thinking about doing the upgrade because I’d rather have it function like a BiPap machine. Something my insurance company won’t pay for.
@@Resist4. I've only ever used a Bi-pap but I can absolutely see why you would want that functionality if you didn't have it. I would assume as long as you don't brick the device in the process your insurance probably won't notice the change but im not sure how the reporting software works or what your user agreement with the insurance company looks like.
@@huntsbychainsaw5986 so I looked at the Airbreak site and while I'm very mechanically inclined, it just looks like too much work for me. I wish ResMed would offer the software upgrade to current AirSense 10 users. I'd pay half the difference of the 10 and 11. Or maybe the Airbreak people can do it for a price.
But yeah, I really want a BiPac because I've had numerous times where it just seemed like I couldn't exhale enough air and felt like positive pressure breathing (from my military aircraft days), it's too much work.
Dear god! $8000??? Here in Ontario, Canada the AirSense 10 FH is only $215 CAD ($860 before government healthcare) and the AirCurve 10 V Auto is $280 CAD ($1120 before govt healthcare). That is absolute extortion
Yeah it's pretty crazy! Aussies been getting played for years and ResMed considers itself and 'Aussie company'. Pretty pathetic. Glad to see there's some good rebates from your healthcare. Cheers
Show it!!! Actually it wont help me as I have a BMC machine but, still very interesting.
Nick, your comments (imbedded in other comments) regarding gov. control and price gouging should be moved to Pinned at the top. Those practices are simply outrageous!! S/B more looting and burning in protest!! (Ha ha)
Thanks mate, i'll see what i can do :). Cheers!
What about the Philips machines? I noticed the blowers are different in Philips machines!
~mumble, mumble, mumble~... kicks cancer causing expensive machine lying on floor next to waste bin
Is there a firmware to share the internet to my holehouse ..turn it into a hotspot ?
Does jailbroken device have cpap auto mode with epr? Any way to finnd asv jail break?
Hey mate, so it depends how you jailbrake it. because my firmware was a bit older i just dumped the firmware from my Aircurve and then flashed it onto my Autoset basically turning my autoset into an Aircurve. I believe the original airbreak turns your device into an ASV
Do you know how to do that firmware upgrade?
$8000..? I have a Resmed Auto and it's about $1500
Writing and testing and certifying software for medical devices is hugely expensive.
Most definitely! I did mention that. Cheers
holy Mary mother of Big J. 2500$?????????
i paid 1/4 of that for my airsense 10.
Tell me about!
@@CPAPReviews those prices are redicilous. bloddy hell. you should order them over here and with taxes and shipping you still save money.
Is the programmer available?!
I would like to help people do this, I can patch to them for free, here in Brazil ST-A Airsense cost equivalent to 17-20 minimum salary and it is not covered my insurance. Many people cannot use cpap due high expiratory pressure or central apneas as well cannot effort buy bipap.
I vote tutorial!!
can anyone share with me a dump of their aircurve vauto firmware?
hmmm
Please take care of your self. Your home land seems out of control.
Thanks David, I'm pretty embarrassed to be honest. Don't really want be an Aussie anymore! Think i'm going to leave once i can. Cheers
@@CPAPReviews Your welcome in Florida anytime!
Thanks legend ;-)
I have a brand new air sense 10 coming in the next few weeks. I’d be happy to pay someone who could do this. Please pm me if interested
Hey brother, for 90% of people the AS10 is going to do the job just fine. Probably only worthwhile if you're someone with central or complex osa and can't afford the crazy prices etc. Cheers
Can I talk to Jamal? I have an Airsense 10 Autoset that was hacked either by my DME, or (I really suspect) some big pharma asshat or perhaps a mercenary to blow hard enough to wake me up. I could send the motherboard and have him reinstall the proper software. Anyone out there know Jamal?
Just wow, talk about fleecing consumers. It would have better if ResMed just sold the BiPap firmware as an upgrade.
Hey Dan, that's what happens when you have a duopoly in any industry. The consumers end up getting screwed. Cheers mate. Nicko
I call bullshit on the expense of today's tech,maby 50 yrs ago devolvement of new devices were terribly expensive but today's tech stands on the shoulder of yesterday's tech. (if that makes since) . It's all about the dollar bills yo! , Every body wants to get as rich as possible as fast as possible instead of caring about one another. It's a shitty business model
fair call mate. Cheers
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Thank you very much. Have a great day
$6,000 not 5
Trammell is not Jamal WTF haha
These things are wayyyyyyyy overpriced