Should I Push Through My Symptoms? / Post-exertional Malaise
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Should I Push Through My Symptoms? / Post-exertional Malaise
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When I manage to stay in what I call a "healing state" where I remain calm and repeatedly reassure my brain that everything is okay, I don't get post exertional malaise. Been able to stay in this "healing state" for 3 months now and I'm doing so much progress. From bed/housebound to 10 000 steps a day if I want to! Thanks Dan ❤
Well done Johanna 👏
Amazing! I borrow the designation "healing state" 🥰
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That's fantastic, so inspiring, really well done ❤❤
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It's not about what you do, its how you do it. We're reconditioning our nervous systems.
I saw some family for the first time in 4 years because i could finally travel and they were like "so what have you been up to?" I laughed and said "learning to live again". Go us!
Yeah go you!!
❤ love it
Giving me hope 👍
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I heard an interview with a psychologist who said "Everyone should take one day a week and do nothing." Fri and Sat my pain was spiking. This time I listened. I took Sunday off. No work, no exercise, and no ruminating. I did some accounting I had been putting off, sorted some nuts and bolts which was fun for me! Monday - pain and fatigue DROPPED.
No advil/tylenol needed. Back to trees and gardens.
Love listening each night, even though I’m doing so well. There’s always vital reminders and new info. ‘Pushing through’ for me was a gradual process, but a definite, intentional process, which made the whole world of difference, and changed my life. It meant taking brave steps, whether small or large, but it was vital for my healing, which I’m experiencing now. Many thanks for your life Changing keys to living life♥️
This helps so much.
Awesome! This is what I'm practicing with the fatigue. It takes some courage to overcome the avoidance behavior and just move my body. But when I do "push through " that resistance I usually feel better for it.
Yes it definitely takes courage, and when you have a small victory it gives you the courage to take things a step further!!!
So pleased to hear - step by step does it!!!!
Great video Dan!
My way of pushing through is so different from what I did the years before..
I flare every night , so in the morning I have to push a little mentally and physically to start a new healing day.
I do it in a caring, compassionate way..
I let the night behind me, that’s past history and start a new day .
I will keep on doing this until my brain gets the message.
Btw: I love all the new people here in the comments rooting for each other.
I’m taking comment- retirement now, hahaha.
It’s been an amazing 2,5 years in your and everyone’s company.
Big thanks and success to you and everyone ❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉
Happy retirement Inge 😊 wishing you lots of love and ongoing gentle recovery and self care ❤
Hi Inge, wishing you all the best in your healing journey..❤ I am moving on too.. there comes a time ! Finding out about TMS, from the great Dr Schubiner 3 years ago and Dan was a blessing. I may check in from time to time and maybe do that success story with Dan.😅 Love and healing ❤️🩹 to all. ☘️🌷🌺🥂🐣🌼
@@laurenlauren4239❤❤❤sending the best healing ever to you as well dear Lauren!🙏🥰🙋♀️
@@LilyOscar333in a way it feels sad and I’m so bad in letting go of people! You’re in my heart Lily, you build my optimism and just thinking of you fill’s my heart with warmth. So happy you already found profound recovery!🥰🤗🙏👏👏👏❤️❤️❤️
@@Inge508 I won’t forget you ❤..I think of you often and whisper a little prayer 🙏. You will find healing ❤️🩹. Everyone’s journey is very different. Lots of healing love and best wishes 🌷🐣🌺🌼 and do what you feel is best for you. 🌺
Hay Dan the man……My name for you as I propagate the message to all. I know you probably won’t read this as there are so many to read in response to your consistent daily support. I was so lost all of 2023. Too long a painful story to write here. I want to thank you with all my heart and being for saving me from a life of fear and a horror for the future. I am truly on the mend now. I send you my respect for your generosity in giving your time and skill and wisdom on free platforms. Sending love to you and those you love. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I have the opportunity to share this work in my practice and with my family and friendships so we can all grow in understanding and healing when we suffer from Perceived Danger. Wishing everybody well and a speedy recovery. Messaging from Ireland❤
Woke up at 3am. Stayed awake. Got up at 5.30, showered etc. laid back down n then vertigo hit. A panic attack on top. Did ipley manoeuvre, it helped somewhat. Feel exhausted. Somehow I got out, didn't drive far though but am happy I'm out the house for two hours. Having a major clear out of stuff that I collected since pandemic/assault. Am now thinking its related but it's a great feeling claiming back my bedroom space from the clutter. Not buying unnecessary stuff again, just experiences. Thanks for today's video, appreciate 🙏
Expect the best and proof of expectation is trying just a bit more (how it fits) in the direction of freedom...... Thank you Dan for the reminder! ❤
Have a great Monday everybody! 🌞
Great Monday wished for you too!
I always "push through" I have found that sitting or lying there for long periods of time when my lower back pain is present only makes it worse. I just relax, focus on my breathing, and telling myself I am ok.. I once told a Rheumatologist when I was hunting answers- " I struggle and hurt to stand up, but once I am up- I can slow walk, then fast walk, then run a couple miles if I choose, and at that point I can pretty much do anything including physically intensive work with little to no pain". The Doctor said "that doesn't make sense". I was like- No shit Doc.. Then I found Sarnos books and Dan..
Yes many people can push through pain and fatigue, It could also be you are getting a dopamine rush from the physical activity that temporally masks pain. Count yourself semi lucky too (I'm sorry you are in pain and fatigued as is horrible) however lucky your condition doesn't worsen for it. As the problem for those like myself who get 'Post Exertional Malaise,' (PEM) which happens in all correctly diagnosed cases of ME/CFS and some Long Covid patients (around 50%)
Fatigue or pain or both, can even in some people look very similar to ME/CFS, but if there's no PEM afterwards then they won't have ME/CFS which is something to be very thankful of. Because the ME/CFS person should never push through because repeated PEM crashes can worsen the disease permanently as has happened me several times over the years. I'm in a severe crash now from pushing through 14 days ago, sigh
PEM is a real physiological phenomenon that has been well studied by now. Where we tame the fear is when we show our bodies and brains that slowly ramping up physical or cognitive activity actually works. And then it builds upon itself. Dan’s right - reacting calmly to an uptick in symptoms is the key here. I’ve had times where I might have predicted a crash that never in fact came, or that was way milder than I expected. Exertion IS possible, as long as we teach our brains to tame the fear over time.
Only in mild case of ME/CFS or Long Covid. I have severe ME/CFS and the PEM can hit me for walking just 100 metres But if I haven't had a recent crash then I can walk a tiny bit further but is rare. I don't have 'fear' of a crash, I have commonsense strategy of 'harm reduction'. I avoid pushing through to prevent physical harm. as PEM can and has previously worsened the longterm severity of the disease in myself and others. I went from mild in my 30's to severe in my mid 40's due to what I thought was gentle exertion. Like a walk to the nearby shops. This harm increase is a more common as people with ME/CFS age. And also is a huge issue the more severe one gets. I'm currently in a crash where I can't shower, can't walk further than my letterbox and am suffering ongoing flu like symptoms crossed with a hangover. The longest crash I had lasted 3 months. And I was never the same at the end of each of those big crashes. So Exertion is not possible at the moment. and just living is causing crashes. Be careful you don't end up like me
@@brobinson8614I am terribly sorry that this happens to you. I know not everyone is having the same experience with these illnesses. I would only say that my LC was severe for the first 2-3 years; I gave up an exec job and was couch-bound. So what I shared is not only true for mild forms of the illness. But these are very individual responses.
Hey Dependable Dan! I don’t know how in the world you keep coming up with daily video material but I am so grateful that you do. Thank you sir. It is so very appreciated.
Hey Dan, I'm grateful for this video today as it's right on time for me. I did "more" yesterday, intentionally went out of my comfort zone with the attitude of "I'm teaching my brain that I'm okay". Today, things are very colorful, and fear is showing up, but I think I have the right attitude. I know that my body is okay - I'm not broken! All because of your teachings, I'm shifting my attitude towards symptoms.
Interesting one, and one that I’ve grappled with a lot over my four years with long Covid/CFS or whatever you want to call it. Sometimes I’ve pushed through and regretted it because I’ve pushed from a place of frustration and lack of acceptance. If you’re in a flareup with this condition you do need to tread carefully, unless you’re the sort of person that fully believes in the TMS concept straightaway 100% with no doubts and there are people who get it straight away. I’m not that person, it takes time and a lot of work to convince my stubborn brain that everything is ok when I’m having a flare up so I know I have to move forward slowly. Also with CfS in particular a flare stops your feel good chemicals from flowing so it becomes harder to get into a positive mindset which again slows things down. That’s my personal experience!
Can relate to what you say, especially the last part re the good chemicals. I have found that it helps to have a reliable shortcut to feeling better, an image or memory (or several) that reliably turns my thinking and feeling round to a better state. When I learnt the Lightning Process (for CFS), there was an image representing the positive circuits/ neural pathways ( or whatever, forget exact terminology) in the brain, of lots of little coloured lightbulbs lighting up. So I use that image, coloured lightbulbs lighting up in my brain. Sometimes I'll go through the whole rainbow and sometimes use just a few gentle, soothing colours.
My experience with the Lightning Process, in case anyone wants to know, was that it was very powerful and effective. But when I ran into other health problems/ life challenges, I needed an approach that was more acknowledging of difficult emotions and realities, and Dan's method seems to be it, so thank you Dan.
For some people though the LP on its own works brilliantly.
With ME/CFS there is a fine line between when you actually CAN do activities and when you can't. CFS is different from many other "diagnoses" in that sense. Takes a long time to learn when the time is right. CFS-fatigue and post exertional malaise is brutal and nothing you could ever imagine unless you've experienced it.
Wish you well ❤
Agree. I did the Gupta program which has positive visualisations too. It really helped me but I also have life challenges that have slowed down my healing. Sometimes I forget or don’t feel motivated to do visualisations but I need to! It is one of the few things that shakes off the negative feelings
Jo!
We're meant to connect today clearly...I think this is you from our brain training chat this morning. I HEAR you on all of this...the lack of feel good chemicals is SUCH a barrier. I'm doing probiotic foods and sunshine earlier in the day and mostly just talking to myself in the low mornings about how I shifted it yesterday, I can shift it today!
Yes it’s me! Small world this healing world! Yes I’ve realised with the morning slump you have to sit with it a bit and it eventually passes. Still sucks though
My mom taught me to think like that, to not over do it!! I’m unlearning these patterns and changing how I think and what I say to myself. I believe in my body and healing, we can do miraculous things.
I think this is why enjoying the type of exercise you do matters so much. (Note: I was an athlete that downshifted, over the course of 5 years, to a FULLY sendentary lifestyle due to pain and fatigue...and found my way back to health through joyful exercise). If I play really great music, I can dance, run, skip rope, and HIIT and time flies and I feel full of joy, and it gives me life. It's intuitive, playful, and I push only when a song gets my brain and heart going that I want to burst into sprint. If I follow any kind of timed, structured "regimen" (especially weightlifting) my body does NOT respond well; I nap, I feel heavy, and over time, overeat to compensate for the stress I feel.
If you do have a busy day, or extra movement is required (or trialled), make it positive with company, podcasts, music, or gratitude.
As usual, thank you 🙏 you bring positivity and presence to everyone’s day ❤
Dan thanks to YOU and your videos and taking to me choosing to listen…. I’ve rode my bike 2 days in a row. I thought it would still be years. Between the physical discomfort and the mental emotional extreme fear I didn’t know that I could get to this point. I’m still having pain but but the fact that I did it anyways… with having pelvic/sitting/leg pain is just HUGE. I truly owe it to your work and videos that I’ve been filling myself with. Thank you for helping me have enough courage to try because that turned into doing something I’ve missed SO much, it brought tears to my eyes. I could feel my heart again. I’m trying to be fearful or things flaring up…. But just be ok with what comes and be thankful for the ability to feel the wind my hair again. Thank you 🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️
So So Proud of you Gabrielle. Keep going.
Pushing through has caused me DOMS that keeps me up all night several times recently. I realized I need to be less like a bulldozer and more like a butterfly. Less going hard and more floating along. Push through, but meet myself where I’m at currently.
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Just wanted to say thank you for this video. I've been watching because of coming down with "Long Covid" two years ago. I had been doing quite well but a few weeks ago I came down with Covid again and have had a huge flare up of symptoms - one of the most obvious being this post exertional malaise. Watching your video has really driven home that this is just my fear and, honestly, trauma from being so sick 2 years ago rearing its ugly head.
As long as I can slowly reassure myself that there is nothing to fear and I am not going to go back to that place of illness I'm sure I'll be back on the right track.
Thanks for everything you do.
I'm in the EXACT same situation as you! Very ill last year and now I think I have COVID and I'm feeling fatigued and I'm trying not to freak the same thing going to happen!
I " push " through the signals when i feel safe meaning i know what it's causing this just my scared little brain. Todag i went foodshopping out of town and just walked in the dunes including the stairs 🙃 🎉 having for weeks now a flare due to a lot of emotional stress but this doesn't mean that i need to hurt.so i respond well stay calm relax my body and keep smiling 😊 ty Dan and i lovd you loads ❤❤❤
Glad you're back. Doing well x
@@1STBUCKLEY ty so good to hear hope you you're doing good love you ♥️
I’m learning that for me, I need to schedule times for intentional rest. For my subconscious, my mental well-being, my physical body, all of it. I find that my brain will create symptoms to force me to rest when I’ve been neglecting myself. I’m trying to take better care of myself and giving myself the rest I need, so my brain doesn’t need to remind me in that way.
Thanks Dan. It is interesting to see what the brain does as we add more bits of life back in. This is challenging all of my old ways of thinking. Thanks for reminding me that I am fine. It's the best way to start my day.
I am sick of it sometimes. I had a little setback. It is snowing in Colorado. I think it is the mindset. I really don't like the term push through either. I am going to live as normally as possible progress not perfection.
My exact question today
I don't predict bad outcomes. Never scared. Always optimistic. I want to do more every day. When I feel better I do what I have to do and more. Them bam. Symptoms.
The subconscious hasn't read the memo yet. If the brain perceives danger, it will turn on symptoms. The only two things you can control are expectations and your response IF the symptoms do show up. ruclips.net/video/sE3_cs7YgCY/видео.html
Thank you so much for this! I want so much to feel better!💘
You will. Focus on the fundamentals. DansFastStart.com - this holds all the information on what's going on and what to do. Go for it.
Another great video 👍🏼
Glad you enjoyed it
Yes that’s me.
Love this thanks Dan
For me personally? Before I discovered TMS I used to always try and push through the fear and go out even with symptoms blaring off and it made it worse overtime. Wasn’t until I learned I had to decrease the fear and temporarily decrease my activity levels until I felt safe again, now I’m able to do a lot more and not concerned as much about symptoms
Your a legend dan 🙏🦄
Great vid thnku❤
I just wanted to say that English is not my first language. So what amazed me and made me feel worse at the same time when googling symptoms and looking up stuff in English was that there is a word for EVERYTHING. Any feeling or thought you might have is attached to a bombasticly named syndrome that just doesn't exist in my language. Even this, Post-exertional malaise, sounds truly scary even though I suppose it's widely used to just describe tiredness or something simple? It's just so easy to label yourself with so many syndromes that are (most of the time) pretty normal and harmless experiences that just contribute to making you feel "sick" or that something is wrong with you.
Yep, that about sums it up. I have been trying to push through the pain, and it always backfires. I don' I feel exhausted, but the pain escalates just doing minor types of movement. I do ask myself, that this type of exercise or movement couldn't possibly be causing all this pain.
I liken this challenge of pushing through as a game of “chicken.” I keep pushing while keeping my attention on my task. Sometimes the pain gets so severe I need to backoff from the light that’s causing symptoms. Other times I can endure and the symptoms will reduce its severity.
Hello Dan, I am writing to you from Romania, is the TMS concept related to the New Germanic Medicine? Dr. Sarno's discovery seems similar to Dr. Hamer's...
This is great, and I totally understand it mostly, but I was wondering what your take is when I was never ever scared of the fatigue or symptoms when they first rose, and I kept going on, living my life, and the fatigue then got a whole world worse. I never felt afraid of it. When I go to live my life I feel so exhausted. Do you think theres a possibility sometimes that the body actually is genuinely exhausted from a lot of illnesses/stress and when does this differentiate from PDP symptoms? I find this is a real sticking point for me - is it when you have rested (without fear) and they are still there?
I did that for a year before I ever found out it was a mind body issue. Mine also worsened. I think because I had not done anything to resolve my emotional issues, not learned to be kinder to myself, judge myself less, do nice things for myself etc. I pretty much had a mix of perfectionistic burnout and c-ptsd. Last time around, I did things like forcing myself to work and go to the supermarket when I felt awful. This time around, I do things like going to gigs and walking.
Doesn’t help when the doctor says gravity is my enemy. Ugh
I’m still living a lot more than I used to
Disregard doctors who tell you that you are broken. They are wrong.
love u too
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Hey Dan! What do you think about taking a few days to rest and recover after increasing activity for a period of time? For example on the CFS recovery channel they have this idea of an 'adjustment period' where you should pull back activity by around 70% when symptoms go up, and only when they begin to subside should you restart activity.
I find it more helpful to maintain at least some level of activity each day, even though I get pretty bad symtoms. I think you would be sending the wrong message to your brain if you take rest days.
I follow CFS recovery and did the academy for a month. I think pulling back too much can be worse as you're signalling to your brain your in danger
fatigue..TIRED OF BEING TIRED..( Of an Over busy Mind and internal Worrys and Fears overriding a belief you are Safe and Have Nothing to be On High alert about)..
Dan last year I suffered chronic fatigue after contracting a virus. I made a full recovery in 3 months and realised my brain was definitely percieving danger and I was pre-empting fatigue. Ive been ill most this week with maybe covid/fluey type thing. Ive rested up and now im starting to feel better im now sugfering bad fatigue/exhaustion again which is what happened last time. Not sure how much I should rest or how much activity I should do as im worried i do do much I crash like last time 😭
Guys..I’m addicted to FEAR, but want to change it.
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I am pushing through morning depressive feelings---has anyone else gone through this uncomfortable blah blah blah feeling?
Good morning ☀️ I have, I let myself feel those feelings without judgement because I’m human! Then I remind myself those thoughts and feelings/ emotions- are like clouds.. they come and go and they are not YOU.
I have these too. I allow them, I feel them, and then I self soothe and talk to my anxious brain. And I start my day with "normal" activity. The thing to do is not to take these depressing blahs too seriously. Talking out loud to my brain has made a big difference in how I feel.
Hi Dan and everyone., l have seen in your videos saying that 'if you do exercises etc for 1-2hr a day, if you keep journalling and meditating etc, you are telling your brain that something is wrong.. so what do you recommend us to do? Stop/reduce journalling, meditating etc and focus on living your life and sending your brain safety messages to our brain? I do physio exercises for like 1hr apart from journalling etc.
I have just paid Curable app. Don't want to think that was a waste of money but also l want to know the right way forward 😮 thanks
Yes. It is confusing. I agree!
if you enjoy meditation and journaling you should continue! If you are doing it to check off a to do list to try to heal then you are sending a message of despair- I hope that makes sense! ❤
I have found the mindset work the most straightforward in feeling any progress. I did an 8 week course, have worked with other coaches, did Curable briefly as a trial. I had such a huge program it took me forever to get going in the morning cuz I had to do all this stuff. Somatic tracking, journaling, trauma work, meditation. All with one eye on my symptoms the whole day. Are they lifted? Did anything shift at all?
Absolutely nothing changed for all my efforts. I'd heard Dan say just go live your life. I didn't know how. I thought with my very grooved in pain patterns for decades, I needed a detailed comprehensive program cuz I was more messed up than your average person.
I then stopped everything, even gave up on the whole idea, angry, fed up. Got much worse, in horrible despair. Took another honest look at Dan's stuff and realized I was not implementing his most basic concept. Mindset. Now focusing purely on mindset. Checking in not on symptoms anymore as they don't matter, but rather on how's my mindset. Took me forever to really get this. My confidence and clarity are very solid. I know I can do this. I'm not a special kind of broken. I never had this clarity and indifference before when I was bogged down with these programs.
I think it’s all about allowing , once there’s resistance and a feeling of I must, have to etc you’re being hard on yourself I don’t mean do nothing but bring ease, listen to what your bodies saying and be kind
I say to myself nothings certain so I don’t know what will happen etc and if I’m in pain I’m indifferent to it , say hello and know I don’t know 🤷♀️
Fatigue comes with a bad mood, tiredness doesn’t.