Hi folks, I'm a little bit late with the video this week, but here it is. Yes, I know Gavin Hardcastle has a video on the same topic. Bad timing. Despite the topic, there is some useful info in this one if you're thinking of getting into panos or need some background info on how to. As always, thanks for tuning in.
Before I continue watching I wanna say how enjoyable it is to see these amazing photographs while you are talking. It’s sad you don’t have more views, because you truly are a master photographer. It’s wonderful to see this art. Now I will keep watching.
Excellent as always. You go slow enough to give the viewers time to absorb the information and the visuals. Other RUclipsrs act like they are in the Daytona 500. Very much appreciate your content and teaching. 😊
Thanks for the video. Always nice to see something different. Regarding the order of processing and stitching, I get best results by doing one round of corrections to each photo, then stitch, and then doing another round of editing of the stitched image.
Informative video Adam. You picked up on a few features that another photographer, whose name won't be mentioned but whose face looks like - oh never mind, didn't include in his video. Enjoyed them both though and learned a lot from each of you. Thanks!
Another handy video Adam. I got Luminar a few years back and apart from when I first practised with it, I've hardly ever used it. But after watching this, I'll have to get back into it. I particularly liked the tip about the white balance, as I normally use Auto. I'll also be trying it out on the video.
What's up Adam? I like the sometime fireside chats you have. This particular system you're talking about was once called MacPhun Editing which had a small series of editing tools you could use. I choose to use Intensify because of its ability to sharpen an image as good as Ps, and in some cases better. I still do use Intensify along with Ps. But, I will in the future purchase Skylum along with Neo. It's a great system. Take it easy my friend. Peace!
Your review of Luminar Neo was extremely interesting and detailed in your examples... well done! It hasn't made me want to put out another $20/month for more software but you did make it tempting!
Adam, It's interesting to look at the different perspective and result you get from pano at longer focal length vs. wide lens crop. I think the viewpoint and "focal compression" influences the image greatly.
Glad you have come to the dark side of processing with Luminar Neo. Might want to try some of the other features it offers. Even Uncle Grumpy takes risks!
Shoot raw and adapt the white balance afterwards if necessary. In my experience it is more important (and saves a lot of time in post processing) to keep the exposure/f-stop constant. One thing about vertical panos: Rotate the images by 90° and render them in horizontal mode. This usually gives better result. The final image can the be turned in the final processing.
Would you still call it a pano when it is a very narrow crop? A cropped image shot under 70mm would still be a photograph imo. A pano would be something thats shot with over 70mm but has FoV wider than 70mm, likely 3-4 times. Just a thought
Adam, once again your video just absolutely crushes Gavin's. But we can all thank him for bringing the curve down ;-). Having the different projection types and more importantly able to place the projector and then move the projection prior to stitching is just so valuable. Shooting night-scape panoramic images with very wide focal lengths, Lightroom or Photoshop just lacked the control to get the best out of the stitched panorama. Good to see Neo, start to introduce that feature.
What's up Adam? Nice presentation on the Luminar NEO App. Ive watched booth you and Gavin's video on NEO, and I'm convinced on it. I think I will purchase it. What I like about the app is that you don't have to be on line to use it once you purchase it out right. I waited to see yours to see how you did. You booth did pretty much the same thing; by the way he did a great job also. How ever, great job dude! Peace!
Thanks Adam for making a video about a product I was thinking of purchasing. I do a lot of abstract photography as well as panoramas and was getting very frustrated with lightroom and photoshop when it comes to complex panoramas. I am sure Adode will be busy developing a better panorama editing tool. So I now will luminar and LRC Pshop subscriptions oh the joy in spending 😂😂😂
Don't waste your money, Skylum has been a shady software company and they have a bad history of abandoning software (their perpetual licenses often only lasted a few months before leaving their users high and dry unless they shelled out another wad of cash)...
Interesting features. I probably won't be switching because, like you, I have no issues cropping for a pano. I did it before with 24 megapixels and I do it now with 50 megapixels. And if I ever do a pano for real, Lr does a good enough job with stitching. ☺️ However... (heeee) I see a discount code… I might be persuaded to try this, maybe. 🤑 Thanks for the video Adam. It’s good to shake things up a bit every once in a while. 🤗
The ghosting check box is only made available when you are doing a Pano HDR. In the beginning of the process there is check box for HDR. Hope that help.
Normally I use ON1 for panoramas even though I have Luminar Neo. Tried it after Gavin's video - errored out. Tried again (after you pointed out the settings to check off before processing) and errored out again. WTH?! Then I remembered, shooting RAW with the Nikon Z8, Luminar Neo can't handle the compressed raw files yet. Next release. If you shoot uncompressed raw from the Z9 or Z8 it works. For kicks, I tried to make a panorama of 11 shots in ON1 and my Mac Studio cried out in pain, took all the application memory. LOL
As always, great photographs Adam! I too wonder if Lumina is over-baking their marketing with so many landscape photographers suddenly tryinging their software? Including yours, there are six primary YT channels I subscribe to and all of them this week or last pushed out a tutorial on Lumina NEO. I guess it got my attention but I’m not sure it did in a perfectly good way. Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.
Wow, tremendous software. I have Luminar Neo, really haven't used it, so I really sat up and took notice of this demonstration Adam - thank you so much. Wow
"..since I use a 100 MP camera there isn't ny need for that..." I shoot quite regularly with 150MP digital backs, but I simply cannot get out of the habit of taking multiple exposure to stitch them together. I should evaluate more using prints...
I made the same comment before I saw yours. I suffer from the same addiction. It's a bit irrational since I don't have the wall space to print the final image at full resolution.... And considering how long it takes to edit the photos in PS , now I lean towards it being fully irrational... Addiction i tell you ... Hi from France.
Wow. All the landscape photogs should get together and pick a time ro upload. Im watching one channel amd I get a bunch of popups from other photogs at the same time. Its hard to watch 4 screens at a time. Phone, pc, tablet and tv. Jk, I just pic a vid and go with it.
Although the crop information is not a standard EXIF (or XMP) metadata, and each manufacturer have their own way of storing it, from my limited experience LR picks up this settings from most of the camera makers format.
Yes, but with Fuji the full RAW file is available. So you can adjust the crop after the fact in post processing and still maintain it as a RAW file. Nikon cameras I know currently crop the RAW file in camera so you lose the cropped out stuff in post processing. I’m not sure about other cameras
For many many years, i would only make landscape photos as panoramas. Stotched them the hard way, 30 photos to get to 70MP.... Saved for a long , long time and bought a gfx100s to escape that. And still ended stitching images together... It's hard to get away from it. However except for a few specific tools, i have been rather disappointed overall woth skyllum prior offerings. I have not tried neo for stitching. Do you know if it can handle a few gfx files ? Edit: forgot to mention, your pano is nicer than Gavin's :) Edit 2: I asked the question before seeing the few last minutes. You answered it in video. How long did it took to process it?
Medium format? If you went to photography school in your (presumed) age group, then that was in the film era and they will have taught you that "if it fits on 127 film, then it is small format". That 127 film was 40mm wide (about 36mm usable) and the only digital cameras with an image frame size that would not fit on that are the big Phase One and big Hasselblad H system (100MP 53.4 x 40.0mm). Your Fujifilm 102MP 43.8 x 32.9mm sensor is plain small format. Calling it more is marketing hype and misleading - from a manufacturer that avoids "full frame" because it cannot compete in that market. Also note that MP are an area unit while human perception of sharpness follows linear unit lines. That's why photography expresses resolution in line-pairs per millimetre. If you have a sensor of X*Y=MP and want to double its resolution, you need to do that linearly: 2X*2Y=4MP - meaning that 100MP is twice as good as 25MP (and 4 times as bad for required compute power and data storage). I will add that more MP MAY reduce a bit of uncertainty in raw processing (the wild-assed guessing of colours missing in the Bayer raw image). The most shocking to me discovery I made in digital photography was how bad Adobe Camera Raw's "raw processing" was, how much detail it lost, comparing a large print (A2) from 3 stitched images in ACR/LrC to a print from Topaz Gigapixel AI in which I had blown up the same images to 32,000 pixels each on the long side (683MP each - stitched in Photoshop in the blink of an eye on a 64GB RAM with 11GB video RAM workstation). Hikers on the other side of a small lake looked like humans with arms, legs and heads rather than coloured fluffy balls (both printed at the same size and DPI). This all made me think that there's more in better raw processing than in larger sensors and more MP. Or, as long as we cannot quantify the effects of raw processing, there is no "ceteris paribus" comparison between different cameras.
You’ve missed one very important point. MP and the quality of an image does NOT equate into a great or even a good photograph. You may have all of the detail in the world, perfect exposure, great light but if the photo does not resonate with you or a viewer then who cares? Ultimately it’s either you or your intended audience that will appreciate the nuances. Not once have I ever had an audience say to me wow great shot too bad it’s not taken on a REAL medium format camera.
...and Ian Worth did a video on the new Luminar Neo features last week. 😀 But I like them all, and multiple viewpoints give a better overview. Besides, Grumpton™ did an excellent video. LOL
Skylum is really pushing their software lately. I hope all the photographers like Adam and Gavin are making some serious cash for pushing their products.
Yes and…….so if I talk about processing say in Lightroom but don’t get paid why is my making money a bad thing? Luminar pano is a good program, does a good job, the info imo was useful so what’s the problem? I will say if the program was terrible I wouldn’t do a video on it regardless of payment.
@@QuietLightPhoto You need to clearly mark the video as paid for advertisement. If you didn't get paid to do so, then it would be fine (well not, Skylum is a very shady company that has scammed their customers time and again) but as it stands your video deserves to be taken down for violating the "no paid advertising" rules on this platform...
@@karlgunterwunsch1950 If you look in the top left corner, it clearly says it includes a paid advertisement, this is a step that I go through each time I upload a video. You obviously need help understanding this platform since RUclips has no such rules regarding advertising. I have absolutely no obligation to you or anyone else in regard to the type of content that I publish. If you are unhappy with this content then the solution is easy, just don't watch it, unsubscribe if you have done so and lastly go troll some other channel that you find offensive. Have a good day.
Hi folks, I'm a little bit late with the video this week, but here it is. Yes, I know Gavin Hardcastle has a video on the same topic. Bad timing. Despite the topic, there is some useful info in this one if you're thinking of getting into panos or need some background info on how to. As always, thanks for tuning in.
Yes, the fat bastard did it before the grumpy old bastard. Oh well..😉
Yeah his video is also shite🤣👍🏼
TBH, no issues with such videos. I am glad to see your channel getting consistent sponsorships. Good luck and wish you more such colloborations.
I gave a thumbs up but had to switch it to a thumbs down after that @@QuietLightPhoto
@@QuietLightPhoto , especially when his mum isn’t here to protect him! Yeah, Gavin!
Simple and uncomplicated is most appreciated 👍😉
Before I continue watching I wanna say how enjoyable it is to see these amazing photographs while you are talking. It’s sad you don’t have more views, because you truly are a master photographer. It’s wonderful to see this art. Now I will keep watching.
Thanks, David!
Perfect timing, as I have just purchased Luminar Neo! Thank you so much.
Adam, Your videos are quite the meditation on this saturday morning! keep it up! :)
Happy to hear that!
So happy you tried Luminar. I find it very useful.
I have this program great to have and you did great with it
Excellent as always. You go slow enough to give the viewers time to absorb the information and the visuals. Other RUclipsrs act like they are in the Daytona 500. Very much appreciate your content and teaching. 😊
I appreciate that!
Thanks so much Adam, great video. The software looks amazing.
Awesome buddy ❤😊
Thanks mate!
65x24 is addictive 🖤
Very true
Thanks for the video. Always nice to see something different. Regarding the order of processing and stitching, I get best results by doing one round of corrections to each photo, then stitch, and then doing another round of editing of the stitched image.
Adam, I enjoy and learn form your videos. I really enjoying taking panos and wouldd likke more content on the subject.
Informative video Adam. You picked up on a few features that another photographer, whose name won't be mentioned but whose face looks like - oh never mind, didn't include in his video. Enjoyed them both though and learned a lot from each of you. Thanks!
Another handy video Adam. I got Luminar a few years back and apart from when I first practised with it, I've hardly ever used it. But after watching this, I'll have to get back into it. I particularly liked the tip about the white balance, as I normally use Auto. I'll also be trying it out on the video.
What's up Adam? I like the sometime fireside chats you have. This particular system you're talking about was once called MacPhun Editing which had a small series of editing tools you could use. I choose to use Intensify because of its ability to sharpen an image as good as Ps, and in some cases better. I still do use Intensify along with Ps. But, I will in the future purchase Skylum along with Neo. It's a great system. Take it easy my friend. Peace!
Your review of Luminar Neo was extremely interesting and detailed in your examples... well done! It hasn't made me want to put out another $20/month for more software but you did make it tempting!
Adam, It's interesting to look at the different perspective and result you get from pano at longer focal length vs. wide lens crop. I think the viewpoint and "focal compression" influences the image greatly.
Nice! Thanks.
You bet!
Thanks!
Thank you very much!
the fuji crop is so helpful for pano composition. much better than the 5-10 vertical image spray / stitch & pray
I like your vids for a long time now. Take care. ❤👍🇩🇪
Thank you very much!
Glad you have come to the dark side of processing with Luminar Neo. Might want to try some of the other features it offers. Even Uncle Grumpy takes risks!
Shoot raw and adapt the white balance afterwards if necessary. In my experience it is more important (and saves a lot of time in post processing) to keep the exposure/f-stop constant.
One thing about vertical panos: Rotate the images by 90° and render them in horizontal mode. This usually gives better result. The final image can the be turned in the final processing.
Would you still call it a pano when it is a very narrow crop? A cropped image shot under 70mm would still be a photograph imo.
A pano would be something thats shot with over 70mm but has FoV wider than 70mm, likely 3-4 times.
Just a thought
Adam, once again your video just absolutely crushes Gavin's. But we can all thank him for bringing the curve down ;-). Having the different projection types and more importantly able to place the projector and then move the projection prior to stitching is just so valuable. Shooting night-scape panoramic images with very wide focal lengths, Lightroom or Photoshop just lacked the control to get the best out of the stitched panorama. Good to see Neo, start to introduce that feature.
Oh it's on now Grumpton.
Spot on old chap….spot on
Nice hands-on review :)
Thanks!
What's up Adam? Nice presentation on the Luminar NEO App. Ive watched booth you and Gavin's video on NEO, and I'm convinced on it. I think I will purchase it. What I like about the app is that you don't have to be on line to use it once you purchase it out right. I waited to see yours to see how you did. You booth did pretty much the same thing; by the way he did a great job also. How ever, great job dude! Peace!
Thanks Adam for making a video about a product I was thinking of purchasing. I do a lot of abstract photography as well as panoramas and was getting very frustrated with lightroom and photoshop when it comes to complex panoramas. I am sure Adode will be busy developing a better panorama editing tool. So I now will luminar and LRC Pshop subscriptions oh the joy in spending 😂😂😂
Don't waste your money, Skylum has been a shady software company and they have a bad history of abandoning software (their perpetual licenses often only lasted a few months before leaving their users high and dry unless they shelled out another wad of cash)...
Interesting features. I probably won't be switching because, like you, I have no issues cropping for a pano. I did it before with 24 megapixels and I do it now with 50 megapixels. And if I ever do a pano for real, Lr does a good enough job with stitching. ☺️
However... (heeee) I see a discount code… I might be persuaded to try this, maybe. 🤑
Thanks for the video Adam. It’s good to shake things up a bit every once in a while. 🤗
Thanks, Barb!
It mentions in brackets for anti ghosting so probably only for hdr stacks
It is necessary to use a nodal bar when photographing. Then there will be no geometric distortions.
The ghosting check box is only made available when you are doing a Pano HDR. In the beginning of the process there is check box for HDR. Hope that help.
Ah okay that makes sense, thanks!
Normally I use ON1 for panoramas even though I have Luminar Neo. Tried it after Gavin's video - errored out. Tried again (after you pointed out the settings to check off before processing) and errored out again. WTH?! Then I remembered, shooting RAW with the Nikon Z8, Luminar Neo can't handle the compressed raw files yet. Next release. If you shoot uncompressed raw from the Z9 or Z8 it works. For kicks, I tried to make a panorama of 11 shots in ON1 and my Mac Studio cried out in pain, took all the application memory. LOL
As always, great photographs Adam! I too wonder if Lumina is over-baking their marketing with so many landscape photographers suddenly tryinging their software? Including yours, there are six primary YT channels I subscribe to and all of them this week or last pushed out a tutorial on Lumina NEO. I guess it got my attention but I’m not sure it did in a perfectly good way. Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.
Hiya, waay better video than the one done by someone with a DIY renovation church. Do you ever use a nodal slider?
I have one but never use it since I now make panos with the GFX.
Wow, tremendous software. I have Luminar Neo, really haven't used it, so I really sat up and took notice of this demonstration Adam - thank you so much. Wow
Cheers Adam, question for you. How would you recommend printing a panorama such as these? Would it need a custom frame?
Easier if your printer accepts rolls. Yes you would have to get it custom framed unless it was printed with a standard border around it.
"..since I use a 100 MP camera there isn't ny need for that..."
I shoot quite regularly with 150MP digital backs, but I simply cannot get out of the habit of taking multiple exposure to stitch them together. I should evaluate more using prints...
I made the same comment before I saw yours. I suffer from the same addiction. It's a bit irrational since I don't have the wall space to print the final image at full resolution.... And considering how long it takes to edit the photos in PS , now I lean towards it being fully irrational... Addiction i tell you ...
Hi from France.
I find this sort of content interesting to a point, but (yes a 'but') I would rather see you out taking photographs (in any conditions).
Wow. All the landscape photogs should get together and pick a time ro upload. Im watching one channel amd I get a bunch of popups from other photogs at the same time. Its hard to watch 4 screens at a time. Phone, pc, tablet and tv. Jk, I just pic a vid and go with it.
The question is , who did Skylum reached out to first, you or Gavin?
No idea!
So when u do a pano cropped RAW in camera does it come up cropped-raw in lightroom?
Although the crop information is not a standard EXIF (or XMP) metadata, and each manufacturer have their own way of storing it, from my limited experience LR picks up this settings from most of the camera makers format.
Yes, but with Fuji the full RAW file is available. So you can adjust the crop after the fact in post processing and still maintain it as a RAW file. Nikon cameras I know currently crop the RAW file in camera so you lose the cropped out stuff in post processing. I’m not sure about other cameras
@QuietLightPhoto will it do that with an xt5 too?
For sure
For many many years, i would only make landscape photos as panoramas. Stotched them the hard way, 30 photos to get to 70MP.... Saved for a long , long time and bought a gfx100s to escape that.
And still ended stitching images together... It's hard to get away from it.
However except for a few specific tools, i have been rather disappointed overall woth skyllum prior offerings.
I have not tried neo for stitching. Do you know if it can handle a few gfx files ?
Edit: forgot to mention, your pano is nicer than Gavin's :)
Edit 2: I asked the question before seeing the few last minutes. You answered it in video. How long did it took to process it?
4 files about a minute
8 files perhaps a couple of minutes at most
@@QuietLightPhoto thanks Adam.
tilt shift lens beats ANY software.... (or a view camera).
You should do a video on that, I'd like to see how
Medium format? If you went to photography school in your (presumed) age group, then that was in the film era and they will have taught you that "if it fits on 127 film, then it is small format". That 127 film was 40mm wide (about 36mm usable) and the only digital cameras with an image frame size that would not fit on that are the big Phase One and big Hasselblad H system (100MP 53.4 x 40.0mm).
Your Fujifilm 102MP 43.8 x 32.9mm sensor is plain small format. Calling it more is marketing hype and misleading - from a manufacturer that avoids "full frame" because it cannot compete in that market.
Also note that MP are an area unit while human perception of sharpness follows linear unit lines. That's why photography expresses resolution in line-pairs per millimetre. If you have a sensor of X*Y=MP and want to double its resolution, you need to do that linearly: 2X*2Y=4MP - meaning that 100MP is twice as good as 25MP (and 4 times as bad for required compute power and data storage).
I will add that more MP MAY reduce a bit of uncertainty in raw processing (the wild-assed guessing of colours missing in the Bayer raw image).
The most shocking to me discovery I made in digital photography was how bad Adobe Camera Raw's "raw processing" was, how much detail it lost, comparing a large print (A2) from 3 stitched images in ACR/LrC to a print from Topaz Gigapixel AI in which I had blown up the same images to 32,000 pixels each on the long side (683MP each - stitched in Photoshop in the blink of an eye on a 64GB RAM with 11GB video RAM workstation). Hikers on the other side of a small lake looked like humans with arms, legs and heads rather than coloured fluffy balls (both printed at the same size and DPI).
This all made me think that there's more in better raw processing than in larger sensors and more MP. Or, as long as we cannot quantify the effects of raw processing, there is no "ceteris paribus" comparison between different cameras.
You’ve missed one very important point. MP and the quality of an image does NOT equate into a great or even a good photograph. You may have all of the detail in the world, perfect exposure, great light but if the photo does not resonate with you or a viewer then who cares? Ultimately it’s either you or your intended audience that will appreciate the nuances. Not once have I ever had an audience say to me wow great shot too bad it’s not taken on a REAL medium format camera.
Now there's an answer😉 @@QuietLightPhoto
Hope Hardcastle watches this,judging by his video on the same topic he needs some help…..no…not SOME HELP….a lot of help.
Watch the master Galvin.
Did Luma approach you, Gavin & Alistair the same time?
Wish you’d had a chat With each other before posting this weeks content. 😊
I guess so. I don't keep track of what others are doing on RUclips, I guess Topaz planned it that way.
Gavin beat you to it by a day…. LOL
...and Ian Worth did a video on the new Luminar Neo features last week. 😀 But I like them all, and multiple viewpoints give a better overview. Besides, Grumpton™ did an excellent video. LOL
Thanks for that
Must have been big bucks to dedicate a full video. Lol
Millions, I can retire now
Now you can afford a new van.
@@davearchbell9921 no that Canadian $ do about $10 usd😂
@@QuietLightPhoto Lol.
@@QuietLightPhoto So your sponsorships are Cdn$ and yout books and tours are in USD$ hummm?
Skylum is really pushing their software lately. I hope all the photographers like Adam and Gavin are making some serious cash for pushing their products.
Of course! 😉 despite very very biased opinion of neo it is a good program
Luminar NO NO NO
Ok? Thanks for your insight
Paid for advertisement.
Yes and…….so if I talk about processing say in Lightroom but don’t get paid why is my making money a bad thing? Luminar pano is a good program, does a good job, the info imo was useful so what’s the problem? I will say if the program was terrible I wouldn’t do a video on it regardless of payment.
@@QuietLightPhoto You need to clearly mark the video as paid for advertisement. If you didn't get paid to do so, then it would be fine (well not, Skylum is a very shady company that has scammed their customers time and again) but as it stands your video deserves to be taken down for violating the "no paid advertising" rules on this platform...
@@karlgunterwunsch1950 If you look in the top left corner, it clearly says it includes a paid advertisement, this is a step that I go through each time I upload a video. You obviously need help understanding this platform since RUclips has no such rules regarding advertising. I have absolutely no obligation to you or anyone else in regard to the type of content that I publish. If you are unhappy with this content then the solution is easy, just don't watch it, unsubscribe if you have done so and lastly go troll some other channel that you find offensive. Have a good day.