This is another great reminder for composers to spend more time honing their craft, and slow it down on upgrading their gear. You managed to make Logic sound like some of the higher-end VSTs from not too many years ago 😂
Yeaaa I m also making a template for orchestral stock studio samples in logic… my approach was firstly to layer each instrument (Trumpet 1 ecc … ) with at least 3-4 instances slightly detuned and with differences in attack time/humanity, I did that because I wanted each Studio instrument to sound like a little ensamble as Trumpet 2, trumpet 3 have less articulation than trumpet 1 (growls marcato trills are missing). So I grouped in a folder for each instrument number, than I placed a space designer IIR reverb with just the early reflections ( I putted High lows diffusion at -inf gain) just to blend more the sounds and give that roomy vibes, than I placed OTTs with mid & bass boosting and lot of hi end upward expansion, fast time and finally a lot of hi cutting eqs , I think the result is decent but I think you’d want a REAAALLY well sounding master reverb to match the feeling of the paid orchestral libs ( that usually records the reverb along with the samples in contrary of Logic Studio instruments) well pretty nerdy and cpu heavy I guess but the overall sound tourns to be MASSIVEE
Let me say something , after having played such expensive libraries etc. : i care more for being able to EASILY and FAST reproduce a good SAMPLE of the written score, than full realism, sound quality with instruments that are not full customizable, like a legato patch without attack control. In this sense Logic goes way beyond! This is the paradox: for quick and very cinematic music the expensive samples win ; but for writing on score editor, Logic may win alone with some good reverb. If you have to do imitate something like Don Juan by R. Strauss, i would say that Logic instruments are the reliable way to start. Then you give the score to someone who has patience to deal with all inconsistences of other known instruments. THe only problem is, that Logic samples may be not inspiring: you have to be a composer , and focus on the score written. And they are not fully integrated with the score editor yet. For this , it is still useful to have some glissando from 8Dio, or measured tremolo, or harmonics for a solo violin. Then you complete what you have and GO! No time for all the bugs of Kontakt, VEP and Opus. In this sense, here i used mostly Logic (and Kontakt Factory library where needed) ruclips.net/video/qGWLVtt-ecU/видео.html . For the presentation of idea i find good. Important is that the director likes, and you compose fast with some accuracy and clear mind free of distraction. Later you can substitute samples, or pay someone to remix and re-mockup, based on the score. This is the power of written score. BUt it happens that we all are curious about the HQ instruments, and waste a lot of time integrating the confusion alltogheter, because we also know how sound quality has an impact in some ideas, principal for a contemporary sound, and to some extent they help us quicker, when we just RECORD, and do not WRITE. The "top" samples help us as a short cut to end result ; important is to understand the flaws of this shortcut: you will have more bugs, need more help, buy some RAM at some point. It is not about not using then, but understanding the SIMPLE workflow as one more tool of a professional composer as well ; this just look amateur for who is still amateur. The only problem i see with "bad" samples (like no roundrobins etc) is when the composer expect that i love the performance, or sounds like a "peoject" still and they start to use this recording as it where the music they composed. So it requires too much imagination of who hears it without the score. Exactly here comes the balance between realism, and functionality. Logic samples with all the customization of the Sampler, and Kontakt Factory library have a lot of functionality and reliability to compose on a written score without stop along the way. And a written score can´t be understimated. In this sense, very interesting that you come back to this topic, knowing you know good the end of the line in this cinematic proccess already *MuseScore got into this realism thing; this is not bad, but I hope they understand that oder features are more important, like being able to customize samples, even if they sound like a prototipe still. We have imagination to compose, trust me... We only want less stones in front of us, like having to google to delete stupid pauses written before we even start, etc. Or not being able to put an audio file, or write, draw some notes into the score, for the draft and particel proccess.
Any Star Wars mockup that doesn't generate a Content ID claim is not a good mockup 😛 Just joking... or am I? Even though I'm not using Logic, I think that this is the DAW with the best stock plugins out there.
This is another great reminder for composers to spend more time honing their craft, and slow it down on upgrading their gear. You managed to make Logic sound like some of the higher-end VSTs from not too many years ago 😂
Thanks for the comment mate, appreciate it 😁
Yeaaa I m also making a template for orchestral stock studio samples in logic… my approach was firstly to layer each instrument (Trumpet 1 ecc … ) with at least 3-4 instances slightly detuned and with differences in attack time/humanity, I did that because I wanted each Studio instrument to sound like a little ensamble as Trumpet 2, trumpet 3 have less articulation than trumpet 1 (growls marcato trills are missing). So I grouped in a folder for each instrument number, than I placed a space designer IIR reverb with just the early reflections ( I putted High lows diffusion at -inf gain) just to blend more the sounds and give that roomy vibes, than I placed OTTs with mid & bass boosting and lot of hi end upward expansion, fast time and finally a lot of hi cutting eqs , I think the result is decent but I think you’d want a REAAALLY well sounding master reverb to match the feeling of the paid orchestral libs ( that usually records the reverb along with the samples in contrary of Logic Studio instruments) well pretty nerdy and cpu heavy I guess but the overall sound tourns to be MASSIVEE
I might give this a try. Thanks for the tip
Thanks for sharing, very helpful. ❤Logic Pro X, is my goto daw for music composition and mixing.
You’re welcome, glad it’s helpful!
excellent.....as for new rever,..I wouldn't doubt this..Samplicity - Berlin Studio ...is really impressive
Thanks!
Berlin strings , Cine Brass for cinematic
so you haven't used any negative delay on these tracks?
Nope
Let me say something , after having played such expensive libraries etc. : i care more for being able to EASILY and FAST reproduce a good SAMPLE of the written score, than full realism, sound quality with instruments that are not full customizable, like a legato patch without attack control. In this sense Logic goes way beyond! This is the paradox: for quick and very cinematic music the expensive samples win ; but for writing on score editor, Logic may win alone with some good reverb. If you have to do imitate something like Don Juan by R. Strauss, i would say that Logic instruments are the reliable way to start. Then you give the score to someone who has patience to deal with all inconsistences of other known instruments. THe only problem is, that Logic samples may be not inspiring: you have to be a composer , and focus on the score written. And they are not fully integrated with the score editor yet. For this , it is still useful to have some glissando from 8Dio, or measured tremolo, or harmonics for a solo violin. Then you complete what you have and GO! No time for all the bugs of Kontakt, VEP and Opus.
In this sense, here i used mostly Logic (and Kontakt Factory library where needed) ruclips.net/video/qGWLVtt-ecU/видео.html . For the presentation of idea i find good. Important is that the director likes, and you compose fast with some accuracy and clear mind free of distraction. Later you can substitute samples, or pay someone to remix and re-mockup, based on the score. This is the power of written score.
BUt it happens that we all are curious about the HQ instruments, and waste a lot of time integrating the confusion alltogheter, because we also know how sound quality has an impact in some ideas, principal for a contemporary sound, and to some extent they help us quicker, when we just RECORD, and do not WRITE.
The "top" samples help us as a short cut to end result ; important is to understand the flaws of this shortcut: you will have more bugs, need more help, buy some RAM at some point. It is not about not using then, but understanding the SIMPLE workflow as one more tool of a professional composer as well ; this just look amateur for who is still amateur.
The only problem i see with "bad" samples (like no roundrobins etc) is when the composer expect that i love the performance, or sounds like a "peoject" still and they start to use this recording as it where the music they composed. So it requires too much imagination of who hears it without the score. Exactly here comes the balance between realism, and functionality.
Logic samples with all the customization of the Sampler, and Kontakt Factory library have a lot of functionality and reliability to compose on a written score without stop along the way. And a written score can´t be understimated.
In this sense, very interesting that you come back to this topic, knowing you know good the end of the line in this cinematic proccess already
*MuseScore got into this realism thing; this is not bad, but I hope they understand that oder features are more important, like being able to customize samples, even if they sound like a prototipe still. We have imagination to compose, trust me... We only want less stones in front of us, like having to google to delete stupid pauses written before we even start, etc. Or not being able to put an audio file, or write, draw some notes into the score, for the draft and particel proccess.
Any Star Wars mockup that doesn't generate a Content ID claim is not a good mockup 😛 Just joking... or am I? Even though I'm not using Logic, I think that this is the DAW with the best stock plugins out there.