No way pressure pulled those threads. A long Allen wrench did. Plus the intake threads were already shackey or the bolt bottomed out in the threads. No way water pressure did it. Especially if it was full of water which im sure you had it. You will get them tonight 👍🏁🇺🇲HTF
totally agree, i was thinking possibly the thermostat added a bit of space. when they removed it and left it out the bolts became to long and when tightening them down ripped out the threads. doesnt take much to rip out threads in aluminum. maybe a thicker thermo gasket or shorter bolts
@@aegismule13 well the thremo will not act as a space. The intake has a recess for it to set in then the gasket. I believe as others, the bolt was one thread to long and went unnoticed while it was tighten. If your engine were able to build that much pressure to lift the thread out of an aluminum intake, auto manufacturers would be in trouble. When the thremo housing was bolted down because the bolt seemed as though it was tight, in actuality had bottomed out, lifted the threads, just enough to seal water leak in the shop, but not an under pressure leak that happened on the track in practice, henes, "I shut it off I felt water in my face." Blew passed the gasket... Easy mistake, with an as easy enough of a fit. Didn't happen during the race, so no worries...
That motor sounds mean!!!!! Just keep waiting on the video that says big news. Joesph got a ride or we landed a huge sponsorship. It’s coming just a matter of time
Good to see you guys out on the track unfortunately you had a minor set back 🙄 ... I learned many yrs ago to put a new thermostat in a boiling pan of water before installing to make sure that doesn't happen ... It looks like you will do real well in the feature so good luck guys
Luckily, You guys were able to identify the problems up front rather than race night. That puts you in the race and a shot at a win. Good Luck Joseph and the Hunt The Front Team.
I never used a thermostat in my race cars either. Will take a bit longer to warm up but you have gotten rid of a problem you will never have again. What you can do is cut the center out of a thermostat and that will give you the restriction you need.
When I saw that I thought it was from the intake leaking. I’ve always tried to leave the engine off the hoist as long as possible. The intake bolts on the 604 make them prone to leaking. We never let them hang on the cherry picker and work on the engine. Pick them up as little as possible to avoid pulling on the intake and lifting a gasket. Good luck guys!
Hate to see you having issues during a test, don't really get a good shake down on the car. HTF will have it all back together and be competitive this weekend. Good luck boys
Cutting out the center of the thermostat, so all that is left is the center hole. Is the predominant thing in my experience, I've seen done. That way the water flow is restricted, yet the water is still able too flow and less likely too overheat.
Yes, you will for sure run hot if the flow isn't restricted to about the hole size in the thermostat, using a washer or gutted thermostat body...something discovered in the old Ford flathead V8 racing days. :)
I towed 231 miles one way back 2018 got 5 laps a spun a bearing so I know how it feels but at least you didn't hurt the engine and can run it the next day. Can't wait to see you guys run the car. GO GET-EM.
Love your videos and love what you guys have going for ya. I’m no expert but if that motor built up enough pressure to pull threads in the intake manifold. I can’t imagine how a head gasket would survive. I would say someone messed up the threads when they put it on the dyno!!! I mean how much pressure would it take for that to happen? I say a lot !!!!
Another friendly reminder if you don't have the washer you can just cut the center out of a thermostat and put the thermostat back in there and that is slow the water down enough to cool the engine properly y'all have a good weekend and be waiting on the videos
Restrictors are only 4 bucks for a multi pack. I'd cut that poppet out also. As long as the water is slowed down to have time to shed the heat. Larger pulleys (water pump) are usually the best option. Water cavitation can occur on the impeller blades. The bubbling raises the boiling temperature. I know it's not exactly "legal" but adding an ounce of a non foaming detergent does wonders also. Redline is colored and in instant giveaway. Using a clear liquid dishwasher detergent breaks the surface tension allowing water to cool surfaces and reduces cavitation and hammering inside the pump Dishwasher soap is basically a non foaming detergent.... ot won't pollute or cause foam and other issues.
went my 1st dirt track race ever in my life. I grew Up on asphalt racing. went to the Volusia speedway park for the reuimann 50...WOW... great stuff last night.. going back for main tonight
Make a plate to go where thermostat goes drill a 5/8" to 3/4" hole in it. That will pressurize the block so it's harder for the water to boil.. also run a hose off radiator over flow and up roll cage on right side so if it boils water out the driver will see it at the right a pillar roll bar keep water out of drivers face plus he can see if it's pushing water out.then he can save a motor. Trying to help you guys be better. I hope you have another rabbit to out of the hat this weekend.
I figured out a long time ago if you run a oversized water pump pulley and use a 7/8 restriction in the thermostat neck (ironically about the size of a thermostat you cut the guts out of) it slows the water flow enough for the best cooling ratio in the radiator. It sounds silly but if you rush the water at high RPMs it doesn’t have enough time to cool off in the radiator.
Gardin Flame you are exactly right if you HTF guy's don't put something in there it will flow so fast through the radiator the air won't cool it, if your running a for core will help but bye the 50th lap you might be over heating, ask some of the big boys what they run I'm guessing 210° thermostat and 15 on the radiator cap.
Just get you a 5/8 thermostat on the round thermostats for Mr Gasket and put in there but you need to water slow down a little bit so it don't fly to the motor just a hint been doing this for years
Thankful for buddies being there. Them telling you times if Bronson was a .38 a Joe a .4. Car does sound like the super. Racetec must create some good flow!
I was thinking when Jojo did that, (threw the thremo) and the camera followed it, I thought; dude your truck is in front of that trailer...guess you know what I was thinking ....lol
Motor ain't hurt no way, I ran mine up to 280 a few times! Keep your head up boys and good luck tomorrow night.... I'm gonna go ahead and guess now top 3
High revving engine you should’ve cut the core out the old thermostat so it restricts the water a little bit. Without one it’ll flow so fast that it won’t have time to cool it enough. That way y’all could’ve finished practice at least. Food for thought anyhow. It never looked like it boiled so it shouldn’t have really run very hot he killed it pretty quick. Good luck guys
This teams builds off of adversity! When things get tough they dig in! Let’s be honest they changed an engine at the track and ran the mains the next night. Don’t be counting out ol JJ finding that extra tenth either he didn’t like his drive off of 4 so I suspect adjustments coming. HTF 10k richer that’s my prediction!
“Pressure “ did not strip out the housing threads. There is no possible way. The aluminum intakes are very susceptible to damaging the threads when their cross threaded or when the bolt threads are not new. So when you get in a hurry it’s easily damaged
You guys got this for sure. Nothing new to run into an issue, get it fixed, and get back to business. Hopefully y'all qualify well tonight and best of luck on Saturday!
Cant wait to see all the remedies in the comments. Holes in the nose, valance under the radiator, bigger radiator, shroud, fan, loose carb adapter, etc. Every dirt tracker has had this problem and theres never 1 perfect solution
That ain't no biggie 😅. I'd keep running a thermostat, gotta have some heat in there to get max hp. Maybe try three holes in there for in case. Y'all guys know what you're doing, and how to fix it. Get it going tomorrow, and Hunt The Front!!
Well I don’t think I would do a Helia coil I think it will be better to drill it out to the next size bigger, that is my guess as one of your other commenters , some pulled on the Allen wrench to hard with the long handle, kool thanks BigAl California.
Man, that sucks, but at least you got a few good laps in. Jill and I were planning on coming down, but my back is all screwed up so we won't be there as planned. Good luck tonight and tomorrow. TAKE NO PRISONERS!!!
Was already loose when they were removing it initially, most likely wasn't anything wrong with the thermostat, just stripped threads during installation and water spraying out around the gasket face once the pressure built up.
Should have saved the thermostat and cut the guts out of it and put it back in it works great.without one the engine stands a good chance of getting hot because to much water flow to fast and it doesn't have enough time to get cool.good luck boys I'm rooting for you!!
Agree. You need the water to stay in that radiator long enough to cool. You should run a thermostat. Just make sure it is not froze up. We used to put a big flat washer in there back in the day.
Joseph turned that thermostat into an astronaut 😂 good for him. I dont run a thermostat in anything i race. If its got 1:1 pulleys then you dont need one.
Double check your timing if it continues the problems in my opinion there's too much degree on the cam. Hopefully it was just a bad thermostat. Good luck guys
Washers are junk. Ill run a 160 thermostat as long as i race. Restrictors dont open and close to keep a maintained temperature. Maybe on an alky engine but with racing gas. No way dude
@@stevenmorrison4692 big motors on a rubbered up track just means your skill/ability/talent comes into play more. Supers and 410s may be my favorite to watch, don’t get me wrong, but I enjoy pretty well any race don’t dirt. And short asphalt ovals likes Bristol and Martinsville.
Yall need to make a restrictor plate and put it in place of the thermostat. Not running a thermostat is gonna have the water moving thru the system too fast and it aint gonna cool properly. Yall will run into overheating issues. Good luck and see yall in Victory Lane HTF
Didn't look to me like it was over tight when Joseph put it on in previous video. In that video, it only shows the bolt that was stripped out. I thought if anything, might not of been tight enough. The engine was trying to turn as he tried to tighten it.
No way pressure pulled those threads. A long Allen wrench did. Plus the intake threads were already shackey or the bolt bottomed out in the threads. No way water pressure did it. Especially if it was full of water which im sure you had it. You will get them tonight 👍🏁🇺🇲HTF
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totally agree, i was thinking possibly the thermostat added a bit of space. when they removed it and left it out the bolts became to long and when tightening them down ripped out the threads. doesnt take much to rip out threads in aluminum. maybe a thicker thermo gasket or shorter bolts
@@aegismule13 well the thremo will not act as a space. The intake has a recess for it to set in then the gasket. I believe as others, the bolt was one thread to long and went unnoticed while it was tighten. If your engine were able to build that much pressure to lift the thread out of an aluminum intake, auto manufacturers would be in trouble. When the thremo housing was bolted down because the bolt seemed as though it was tight, in actuality had bottomed out, lifted the threads, just enough to seal water leak in the shop, but not an under pressure leak that happened on the track in practice, henes, "I shut it off I felt water in my face." Blew passed the gasket... Easy mistake, with an as easy enough of a fit. Didn't happen during the race, so no worries...
@@WolfPackRacing yea as you explain it , doess eem most likely scenario.
That motor sounds mean!!!!!
Just keep waiting on the video that says big news. Joesph got a ride or we landed a huge sponsorship. It’s coming just a matter of time
Budweiser. Or like orielys or something like that
Glad to see Bo back in The videos and racing.
and smiling also
On the bright side... at least you guys made more laps on this new motor then the last new motor. Like Jonathan said could have been worse
Good to see you guys out on the track unfortunately you had a minor set back 🙄 ... I learned many yrs ago to put a new thermostat in a boiling pan of water before installing to make sure that doesn't happen ... It looks like you will do real well in the feature so good luck guys
Last race y'all started on the wrecker and ended up winning. Good luck boys. Wish I could make it
Luckily, You guys were able to identify the problems up front rather than race night. That puts you in the race and a shot at a win. Good Luck Joseph and the Hunt The Front Team.
I never used a thermostat in my race cars either. Will take a bit longer to warm up but you have gotten rid of a problem you will never have again. What you can do is cut the center out of a thermostat and that will give you the restriction you need.
Don't run without some type of restriction in that water outlet, water will move to fast.
When I saw that I thought it was from the intake leaking. I’ve always tried to leave the engine off the hoist as long as possible. The intake bolts on the 604 make them prone to leaking. We never let them hang on the cherry picker and work on the engine. Pick them up as little as possible to avoid pulling on the intake and lifting a gasket. Good luck guys!
Hate to see you having issues during a test, don't really get a good shake down on the car. HTF will have it all back together and be competitive this weekend. Good luck boys
Be happy it happened on a shakedown and not a race :-D Could ALWAYS be worse.
Cutting out the center of the thermostat, so all that is left is the center hole. Is the predominant thing in my experience, I've seen done. That way the water flow is restricted, yet the water is still able too flow and less likely too overheat.
We used to put a large washer the size of .the outside hole...
Yes, you will for sure run hot if the flow isn't restricted to about the hole size in the thermostat, using a washer or gutted thermostat body...something discovered in the old Ford flathead V8 racing days. :)
@@jongolliher3806 Yes, that is what I understand is where the idea orginally came from.
@@johnezell9808 that is a good idea as well
@@johnezell9808 that is a good idea as well
I towed 231 miles one way back 2018 got 5 laps a spun a bearing so I know how it feels but at least you didn't hurt the engine and can run it the next day. Can't wait to see you guys run the car. GO GET-EM.
Love your videos and love what you guys have going for ya. I’m no expert but if that motor built up enough pressure to pull threads in the intake manifold. I can’t imagine how a head gasket would survive. I would say someone messed up the threads when they put it on the dyno!!! I mean how much pressure would it take for that to happen? I say a lot !!!!
Another friendly reminder if you don't have the washer you can just cut the center out of a thermostat and put the thermostat back in there and that is slow the water down enough to cool the engine properly y'all have a good weekend and be waiting on the videos
Restrictors are only 4 bucks for a multi pack. I'd cut that poppet out also. As long as the water is slowed down to have time to shed the heat. Larger pulleys (water pump) are usually the best option. Water cavitation can occur on the impeller blades. The bubbling raises the boiling temperature.
I know it's not exactly "legal" but adding an ounce of a non foaming detergent does wonders also.
Redline is colored and in instant giveaway. Using a clear liquid dishwasher detergent breaks the surface tension allowing water to cool surfaces and reduces cavitation and hammering inside the pump
Dishwasher soap is basically a non foaming detergent.... ot won't pollute or cause foam and other issues.
Hey it happens and glad you guys found it tonight not Friday or Saturday !
Been there ,done that...Better to have that problem on test night than on race day.
When we race dirt cars we never used a thermostat they're a problem waiting to happen washer with the right size hole works the best.
Yeah
went my 1st dirt track race ever in my life. I grew Up on asphalt racing. went to the Volusia speedway park for the reuimann 50...WOW... great stuff last night.. going back for main tonight
Make a plate to go where thermostat goes drill a 5/8" to 3/4" hole in it. That will pressurize the block so it's harder for the water to boil.. also run a hose off radiator over flow and up roll cage on right side so if it boils water out the driver will see it at the right a pillar roll bar keep water out of drivers face plus he can see if it's pushing water out.then he can save a motor. Trying to help you guys be better. I hope you have another rabbit to out of the hat this weekend.
5/8 on a crate motor
9/16 in Texas
I figured out a long time ago if you run a oversized water pump pulley and use a 7/8 restriction in the thermostat neck (ironically about the size of a thermostat you cut the guts out of) it slows the water flow enough for the best cooling ratio in the radiator. It sounds silly but if you rush the water at high RPMs it doesn’t have enough time to cool off in the radiator.
Gardin Flame you are exactly right if you HTF guy's don't put something in there it will flow so fast through the radiator the air won't cool it, if your running a for core will help but bye the 50th lap you might be over heating, ask some of the big boys what they run I'm guessing 210° thermostat and 15 on the radiator cap.
Better check the timing again! thats not a battery sound, plus the timing will make it get hot.
Locked out distributor
Just get you a 5/8 thermostat on the round thermostats for Mr Gasket and put in there but you need to water slow down a little bit so it don't fly to the motor just a hint been doing this for years
Sounds like the timing is a little bit high to me maybe battery tho like you said looking good htf
Thankful for buddies being there. Them telling you times if Bronson was a .38 a Joe a .4. Car does sound like the super. Racetec must create some good flow!
i use arp bolt studs for everything. you handled that car like you made it for you. very nice and fast great job!!
Man wish I could be there good luck to you guys
Good to see Bo back out at the track! Y`all get those gremlins outta there now and, hopefully she`ll show the way fri and sat. Give em hell y`all!!!
Our Racetek engine ran hot from the day we got it from him and threw a rod in 28 laps.
thermostat,,,,, why dont ya all try flat slim washer 1/2 to 3/4 size hole,,, many use them up north,,,, FYI,,pressure didnt strip the threads,,
Good luck Joseph and HTF! 👍🏼🏁
“Don’t put one it in I ain’t ran one in 40 years” he continues to throw it across the trailer 😂
I was thinking when Jojo did that, (threw the thremo) and the camera followed it, I thought; dude your truck is in front of that trailer...guess you know what I was thinking ....lol
You guys got this it's a good thing ya'll had put holes in that I would not have had that in there to begin with at all I don't run one in my cars
Motor ain't hurt no way, I ran mine up to 280 a few times! Keep your head up boys and good luck tomorrow night.... I'm gonna go ahead and guess now top 3
Can't wait see y'all hunt the front or start on the front hammer down joseph let it ride
High revving engine you should’ve cut the core out the old thermostat so it restricts the water a little bit. Without one it’ll flow so fast that it won’t have time to cool it enough. That way y’all could’ve finished practice at least. Food for thought anyhow. It never looked like it boiled so it shouldn’t have really run very hot he killed it pretty quick. Good luck guys
Go HTF!! We are definitely pulling for you
That's the sweetest sounding 604 I've ever heard
This teams builds off of adversity! When things get tough they dig in! Let’s be honest they changed an engine at the track and ran the mains the next night. Don’t be counting out ol JJ finding that extra tenth either he didn’t like his drive off of 4 so I suspect adjustments coming. HTF 10k richer that’s my prediction!
Good luck this weekend guys.
Did you have a low charged battery or is the timing to advanced?
Good luck tomorrow night Joseph 👍👍👍👍🏁🏁🏁🏁
Looks good 👍 looks to be running fast ! Smooth driving ... so fun to watch !
#JESUSISALIVE #HTFnation
“Pressure “ did not strip out the housing threads. There is no possible way. The aluminum intakes are very susceptible to damaging the threads when their cross threaded or when the bolt threads are not new. So when you get in a hurry it’s easily damaged
totally agree, there is no way that would happen. otherwise it would always happen.
Say got over tighten at some point
You guys got this for sure. Nothing new to run into an issue, get it fixed, and get back to business. Hopefully y'all qualify well tonight and best of luck on Saturday!
Cant wait to see all the remedies in the comments. Holes in the nose, valance under the radiator, bigger radiator, shroud, fan, loose carb adapter, etc. Every dirt tracker has had this problem and theres never 1 perfect solution
All those problems and hard work gets y’all in victory lane hallelujah
Keep your head up guys u was fast and at least you found a weak part in practice and not on lap 3 after u set pole
a bad day at the track is still better than a day away from the track!
That ain't no biggie 😅. I'd keep running a thermostat, gotta have some heat in there to get max hp. Maybe try three holes in there for in case. Y'all guys know what you're doing, and how to fix it. Get it going tomorrow, and Hunt The Front!!
Experts...... experts everywhere.
I tell you what tho, that is one healthy soundin 604 👍
We never used a thermostat either. Put a large washer in there just to restrict the flow.
I hate to say it but y’all run better under pressure. Y’all will get it figured out and will be headed to the front. God bless and be safe
Get that thing fixed cause I want to see it back in action on next vid
always have to work out the bugswith some thing knew good luck
Good luck guys hope you win it all. ❤️❤️❤️
Good luck to y’all tonight 👍
#HTFNation
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Test thermostat put in pan of water set on stove and slowly boil water to get it to open . even new ones fail
Hang in there HTF!
Well I don’t think I would do a Helia coil I think it will be better to drill it out to the next size bigger, that is my guess as one of your other commenters , some pulled on the Allen wrench to hard with the long handle, kool thanks BigAl California.
Man, that sucks, but at least you got a few good laps in. Jill and I were planning on coming down, but my back is all screwed up so we won't be there as planned. Good luck tonight and tomorrow. TAKE NO PRISONERS!!!
Pressure would never strip the heads. Pulling a bolt out of a hot motor will make the thread hole shrink. That’s what happened.
Was already loose when they were removing it initially, most likely wasn't anything wrong with the thermostat, just stripped threads during installation and water spraying out around the gasket face once the pressure built up.
Never take a bolt or plug from a hot engine unless it was installed with Anti-seize.
Take the guts out of the thermostat and then put it back in. Will slow the water flow threw the radiator down some to cool better.
Hope your luck with the crate car turns around!
Racin drama with the "10" ! Love it!!
Should have saved the thermostat and cut the guts out of it and put it back in it works great.without one the engine stands a good chance of getting hot because to much water flow to fast and it doesn't have enough time to get cool.good luck boys I'm rooting for you!!
Correct John! Old school to new school!
Ran my race motors that way the whole time I raced. Never had an issue!
@@rolandvia4826 works better than a 5/8 washer lol
Best restrictor money can buy
Agree. You need the water to stay in that radiator long enough to cool. You should run a thermostat. Just make sure it is not froze up. We used to put a big flat washer in there back in the day.
That thing sounds as good as the super late model
Hope y’all win it tomorrow and Bo Slay finishes second
Dang a Heli-coil, cant beat a Keencert....
Ditto !!Keensert
Joseph turned that thermostat into an astronaut 😂 good for him. I dont run a thermostat in anything i race. If its got 1:1 pulleys then you dont need one.
The one guy said he never ran a thermostat but the problem with that is , if you don't get enough heat to the motor you will be down on horsepower
Not getting enough heat in a motor isn't a problem that my dad or myself ever had racing. :)
Double check your timing if it continues the problems in my opinion there's too much degree on the cam. Hopefully it was just a bad thermostat. Good luck guys
i wonder what would happen if put a vacuum gauge to port vacuum set timing to highest reading?
Are y’all thinking about going to Cochran next weekend for the gobbler 100 $10,000 supers
Car looks really fast. Bronson only beat you by 2 tenths 2 hundredths?? Good baseline to go out and kick some butt. Bring home that big check
Never run a thermostat boys, come on y'all know that lol.... They make a washer style kit with like 4 different size holes that's what we always ran
Washers are junk. Ill run a 160 thermostat as long as i race. Restrictors dont open and close to keep a maintained temperature. Maybe on an alky engine but with racing gas. No way dude
@@tunapraterade9843 go ahead dude that's your choice!
@@woodywood7759 sure is. 180° all night long
Good luck boys go get them
It happens get it fixed and go win it go HTF
Stay focus guys 👍🏎
I like the ride along video.
been there done that with a bad part
Dam one thing after another keep your head Joseph easy fix
Good luck guy's
Well that is 3 more laps than the last new engine made... so y'all done goon. Lol...is the throttle spring to stiff now?
Yet!!!!!!! Got to love joseph
Been waiting on this one all day. Those 604 rpm’s just don’t hit the same as those super late model rpm’s
They are honestly kinda boring to watch unless your really into technical racing
@@tokeypokey nothing beats super lates and 410 sprints in my opinion
They do when the track is rubbered up. Open motors just spin the tires. They don't give the win to best sounding car.
@@stevenmorrison4692 big motors on a rubbered up track just means your skill/ability/talent comes into play more. Supers and 410s may be my favorite to watch, don’t get me wrong, but I enjoy pretty well any race don’t dirt. And short asphalt ovals likes Bristol and Martinsville.
Whats the purpose of the one chrome wheel cover on passenger front
Yall need to make a restrictor plate and put it in place of the thermostat. Not running a thermostat is gonna have the water moving thru the system too fast and it aint gonna cool properly. Yall will run into overheating issues. Good luck and see yall in Victory Lane HTF
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See ya’ll tomorrow
Love the videos. Keep up the work
LOL...Water pressure stripping threads? NOT!
Let me guess, Johnathan tightened the battery cables
Just a heads up check your water pump please? 👍
i was wondering if you run a thermostat some do lots dont
So what did we learn today??? lol cheers🇨🇦
i could be wrong, but the last 3 or 4 times i saw that 40B car, Stevens was driving it and Bronson was in the 18 car. like i say, i could be wrong.
Didn't look to me like it was over tight when Joseph put it on in previous video. In that video, it only shows the bolt that was stripped out. I thought if anything, might not of been tight enough. The engine was trying to turn as he tried to tighten it.