The Moses Ingram Situation (Reva) - My Response
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- I think it's acceptable to critique a character. It is however, NOT acceptable to berate and bother an actor. This has been done for decades with Hayden Christensen, Jake Lloyd, Ahmed Best and more. I think as Star Wars fans, we have big hearts, and it's time we show that in all aspects.
Life's short, be respectful to one another.
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No matter how one feels about the character, this behavior in personally attacking the actor is unacceptable. A Jedi uses their power for knowledge and defense, never attack. Here to show support for Moses.
Luke, you are so wise. We should hang out again
What a jedi does is go into hiding when they fail. Whether it's Dagobah, Tatooine, or Ach-To. Running away and turning into a hermit is basically part of the Jedi code at this point .
@@Claego the ultimate lesson of being a Jedi is letting go
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Yes attack is good
You can dislike the character but you can’t spread hate to the actor playing the character they didn’t do anything wrong.
EVEN IF you dont like the actor for whatever reason, racial abuse is inexcusable, there is no justification or reasonable explanation for it whatsoever.
Facts
tbf she is a shit actress but she doesn't deserve racism, sexism or death threats
It doesn't matter if you don't like the character. Disney Star Wars committee already stated that you're automatically a racist if you criticize her in any way. Funny that's Disney Star Wars care about black people yet they paint her as a stereotype angry black woman and let's not forget the shrunk Finn from the poster for China.
Unless it's Amber Heard
This is ridiculous. I don’t hate the actress, she only did a job she was told to do, she didn’t write her character. It’s the writers themselves who do the work and then direct the actors. Everyone is being so judgmental before the story is even over. The bullying needs to stop. If a character like Reva is despicable, it’s not Moses’ fault.
Its not bullying its oppression racist Star Wars fans only wanna see whites it's sad
Agree in part. First off, through 2 episodes, while not bad, the series has been boring so far. Four episodes left so plenty of time to get better (though I have my doubts).
Re: Moses Ingram, she has not been good delivering the lines. She comes across as stiff and not intimidating in the least. As much as I think her acting is subpar (though the directing has to take a bit of criticism for that as well), the character has been given some of the worst dialogue that even great acting couldn't save.
Ingram didn't help herself by trying to build this character up to being something unique in the Star Wars universe because she's black. Still, that doesn't absolve the small pocket of idiots out there. The problem becomes that, the more you highlight their behavior, the more they'll keep on singing the same song. Best bet is to ignore the trolls/idiots but also be open to true criticism as well.
But Disney, STOP trying to paint everyone that has a problem with this character as racist. You look foolish and dishonest doing that.
The problem here is that she can’t defend herself. When people criticised her character she called them racist.
Star Wars Theory is such a shameless, simping beta.
@@zzodysseuszz and the fans are tired of it. May have worked back with tlj where they tried to call anyone who disliked it racist or sexist.
Y‘all remember when Ahsoka was new and so many people were annoyed by her? Now she is one of the most beloved characters
remember they wrote ahsoka to be annoying then grow up through the series
@@TiredOfHumans That's exactly what I meant. I don't know how people get so pissed about it. Same characters are written to be annoying. Also there is something called character development in Ahsoka's case. It's the same with Obi-Wan. They are mad that he sucks now but it would be one boring show if he would master any challenge right off the bat. Also it would be weird if he still kicks ass just like in Episode III and then almost another decade later he and Vader fight like they are drunk or under the influence with their slow pace final fight.
Well I never found her to be annoying or cliche. Always loved little Soka.
Ahsoka also had multiple seasons to grow and develop as a character where as Reva only has 3 more episodes and then that’s it. Unless there’s a huge time jump and an 80’s training montage for her. It will be hard to recover a poorly written character and it’s sad to see
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I can't believe people take the time to send messages like that...pretty despicable.
People have way too much time on their hands. And if not, they will always make time to spread all that hate.
The Internet is a coward's paradise. Hence why racists are so bold. They can throw rocks and hide behind a computer screen.
The Star Wars fandom is unfortunately notorious for being extremely toxic like that.
They get off on the attention. She basically fed right into what they wanted.
@@TheLastKentuckyIrregular9524 yep. Anyone who sent a death threat is now more encouraged cause they know it got to her even a little bit.
The fact that people legitimately can't distinguish between characters and actors is genuinely terrifying.
Mainly the people judging where the criticism is generally aimed. Whole thing is bait
We live in a society:(
Unfortunately most people live in fantasy worlds today and believe outlandish things to suit their goals. There are many many examples of this. For Example; people still believe to this day JFK wasn't assassinated and believe he's in a retirement home somewhere in the US. It's totally unsuprising people can't distinguish between actor and reality.
or just be a BETTER Actress. the issue is she sucks.
@@spiderofthehood6127 Since when?? But the people who didn’t like reva were in fact racist so it’s not like she was wrong about that why do you think they sent her those dms in the first place?
I dislike the Reva character to this point, but that's on the writers and director, not the actor. To rip apart the actor, to bully them, to use racial slurs, is disgusting and has no place in any society.
Reva is meant to be disliked like Ahsoka in the beginning
I'm sorry, why is the character disliked?
@@akhilnair1137 Because she is evil and impulsive and some disney fans can‘t handle a villain
@@einSeev doesn't stop them from liking vader.
@@akhilnair1137 Vader is a classic and Reva is a new Villain. + Vader cant be confused with his actor
As a wise man (my highschool video-editing teacher) once said... Nobody hates Star Wars more than a Star Wars fan.
I'd word it as "Nobody hates Star Wars more than a fake Star Wars fan" or "Nobody hates Star Wars more than normie posers" or something like that, because obviously tons of Star Wars fans (I believe most but I can't know for sure) love the series to death.
@@mikeexits more like nobody hates disney more than star wars fans
heh heh. His logic is impeccable.
They really are nerds 😂
Critique is a sign that someone believes in something. It may seem brutal, but it's genuine. Star Wars deserves concerned fans.
This doesn’t just apply to Star Wars either. Wyatt Russel, the actor who played John Walker (U.S. Agent) in the MCU had so many people harassing him because of the character he played. It’s just sad that people overlook that the actor and the character are NOT the same person.
Wtf? For real? I thought he did a good job to make us dislike the character.
We don't care about that cause he's a straight white male. He doesn't hit any check boxes we can exploit publicly to defend our shows bad writing or characters.
@@jotaux3652 Yep, there’s lots of toxic fans out there. For some reason these people can’t distinguish a character from an actual person. I don’t know how it’s even possible, but it’s something that happens nowadays.
Same with Eugene on walking dead
Or the poor kid who played Joffrey in Game of Thrones
I personally really dislike Reva’s character but dude, why can’t people just dislike something without harassing the actor? Bro chill 😂
Because some fans are toxic. Star Wars needs to be their way not a creative way I understand writers being creative can be risky but to hate a actor for the character the writer wrote is ridiculous. Yes I dislike revas character the show would probably be better without her but still it’s not her fault it’s the writers
her character is great villains who are over the top is great if you dislike her that means you dislike palpatine and vader to because they are over the top to
Actors have extensive control in their contracts and portrayals.
I mean, she's a villain. She's meant to be hated. So I hope you have the same energy for the rest of the villains.
@@olivercastillo5883 that’s a horrendous argument. Most other villains in Star Wars have a certain demeanor that make u fear and respect their dialogue and whenever they are on screen. Reva hasn’t shown any of that, at least not yet.
I’ll never understand why people harass the actor I mean what are you gaining from it? Even as someone who hates the sequels with a passion I really feel bad about for some of the actors…
READ MY NAME!!!
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I agree, I might dislike the characters, but I don't dislike the actors who portray them. I think people can't differentiate between fiction and real
@@royalreviews5270 exactly.
Yeah, I don't like the sequels. But I like the actors. Daisy Ridley is a great actress and played Rey well, it's the character that wasn't very great
Yeah if anything it should be directed towards the writers not the actors but at the same time there is a difference between criticism and harassment
simple people go with an emotional response at the lowest denominator, racism,sexual orientation,weight,etc.etc. if theyre insulting her because they hate the character then she must have put on a hell of a performance. i just binged the entire series i hate the character and she did indeed put on a hell of a performance. i'd thank her for a fine performance and her hard work.
The character sucks because they built it off the arrogant angry black woman trope I’m tired of that shit
Lol I wish you can say this to every person who's hating on the little mermaid right now
@@KarateWrestler205 that makes kinda sense but sorry to get off topic but that's what happening to the little mermaid right now, like Halle is playing a nice princess and there still getting mad at it 😞
This is how Hayden Christian’s situation was. You should never dislike the actor who displays their character that they embody
Is the character meant to be corny? Anakin was a socially awkward kid that didn't have good people skills. His performance was great and made so much sense. She, on the other hand, has a character that is already had some corny lines while also delivering them in strange ways. Since when are we not allowed to dislike actors and actresses for their performances?
@@jackfoudray that’s not even what this is about did you read all the messages she posted?
@@jackfoudray you can dislike the actors and performances in shows and movies of course, just don’t go out of your way to bully them or throw racial slurs at them in her comment sections for being told to play a character a certain way
@@Collis77 Well, if course. I feel like the majority of people that don't like her acting or character aren't doing that though.
@@jackfoudray nah most of them are being racist and bullies
Thanks for keeping it classy dude. I strongly dislike Reva as a character (I think she is written very badly, but I'll withhold judgment till the show is finished), but that is in no way the actress's fault. If anything, she's the biggest victim of the situation. She gets offered a breakout starring role in freaking Star Wars and then is handed an annoying unlikable character to portray. That would be so horribly disappointing.
Yeah, she probably wasn’t the best fit for the role (and the writing really doesn’t help) but it’s not her fault they put her on screen. I think her acting makes the character even worse, but that’s not her fault. It’s the show runners. Criticisms should be aimed behind the camera, not in front
I feel like the dislike for Reva is actually an intentional part of the character's design. She even annoys her coworkers. It's like she has big Wrestling Heel energy. I want to see where they go with it.
She’s written fine the whole point of her character is to be unlikable and the fact you dislike her is proof of good writing
Couldn’t have said it better myself. The color of her skin (or in the SW universe, alien race) is utterly irrelevant. So kudos for recognizing that too!
@@Mikeyonte Finally someone said it.
Remember Ashoka was also written to be "annoying" in the beginning so that her character had room to grow. A perfect character is a boring one
And a bad character is a bad one
@@JM-nd9zf Care to explain what you mean by "ghetto"? Also, why did you choose that specific word?
@@asieduy Oh my goodness. Get over yourself. You know what they mean. Stop race bating.
@@JM-nd9zf wtf haha “ghetto level of obnoxiousness” why do I have the feeling you only said ghetto cos she black
Exactly
Being a SW fan since the 70's this is really disturbing. Makes me ponder what people may have said about Billy Dee back then in the 80's. Moses Ingram is only playing a character that she did not/have a personal connection to. She is doing a good job as her character but it speaks more volumes about some so called SW fans.Smh.
Aye. its sad.
Theyre a bunch of angry unloved dorks anyway. All of them.
I guess Disney/Lucasfilm wanted to shield the character and call out fans for being racist and ignore the terrible writing.
I think they wouldn’t have really minded. Lando doesn’t take over and become the new Luke skywalker. He’s written as a well rounded character.
Although, he was brought in to replace Han if Harrison didn’t wanna come back. And he does end up taking Harrison’s literal outfit by the end of the film lol. But it’s written in a way that makes sense. It doesn’t feel contrived that lando would flee bespin with the rebels on his old ship after Vader kept altering the deal and he betrayed the empire
Perfectly stated, "When are we going to learn?" The writing isn't great, blame the writers, never the actor themselves. I don't care about Reva just like I didn't care about JarJar, but at this stage we have hindsight to know how hurtful targeting an actor can be to their personal lives, it's not the right thing to do, and I really hope people learn from these lessons of the past.
@@dookula You're right, but distinguishing between a lousy actor and a lousy script/director is difficult for a general audience member to decipher in a show like this... But looking at the rest of the show, consistently the writing and direction is terrible, and so I would hesitate before judging the actor.
@@dookula no, the casting directors should be critisized, they're the ones who have the luxury of going through thousands of auditions to get the right actress. even after that, a good director can get a good performance out of a lousy actor
@@dookula criticising an actor and insulting them is not the same thing, criticise as much as you want but don't insult people
the writing is fine stfu
People don't realise that Disney makes their characters act like typical Disney villains what do people expect
We're LUCKY Hayden decided to come back. We're LUCKY he decided to give Star Wars another shot as Anakin Skywalker.
After what he went through FROM THE FANDOM of their OWN VOLITION he would've been completely justified in never coming back.
If Ashley Eckstein decided to no longer voice Ahsoka Tano she would've been justified; yes SHE received hate too for Ahsoka. And then Tano probably would've been killed off and never become the character we know and love. I wouldn't be surprised if Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Adam Driver, Kelly Marie Tran, Oscar Isaac, NEVER came back.
If you do not LEARN FROM YOUR HISTORY YOU ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT. And we are not learning since we see this already with Moses Ingram and little Vivien Lyra Blair. Why go after a CHILD because you don't like how the CHARACTER is written? Why be RACIST because you don't like the character? Does that make you feel big and bad? We have to do better. In case you feel called out by Star Wars ' defense of Moses Ingram: Good. You're probably exactly who needs to hear it.
well said
This ^
I swear!! Hit it right out the park!!
Beautifully put!
Yes mommy
The "annoying" aspect of Reva was completely made by the writer not her. And people also forget that it has only been 2 episodes. Ahsoka was the same way at the beginning of the Clone Wars, but everyone loves Ahsoka now. People need to learn to let character development take its place, and that its not the actor who made that character, it was the writer.
Only difference is that the leaks are proving a lot of fans right so far when it comes to the criticism of reva, but I’m not condoning the attacks on her personally
@@Shawn.Mathew exactly. we already knew Reva's redemption arc might be the Show's main story based on the leaks, and the first two episodes have only served to strengthen those leaks' claims !
@@MehrdadParthian okay and that’s her fault how?? Cause not all of those leaks are correct and we’re getting plenty of time with Obi
She's a bad actor.
@@OpinionParade How many Oscar nominations do you have? Cause she has one more than you. You can blame the actor all you want but it’s the director that tells them how they should be acting. Exactly what was bad about her? Because her scene with Owen was good. What did she do, as an actress in two episodes with less than 30 minutes screen time, show she was bad?
It's okay to not like a character, but harassment of the actor when they're just doing their job is absolutely disgusting. How many times will this happen until we learn this simple lesson.
A lot more times until the masses finally get the hint. I fear.
It’s a never ending cycle with Star Wars fans social media and critics ruined the world for example hayden Christiansen Star Wars fans and critics ruined almost 10 years of his career
If you don't understand why she is so bad, then what more is there to say?
Her character isn't even bad, a little over angry? Sure... but come on this is ridiculous.
THANK YOU
Her character is bad
Literally 😂
But no hate for the actress
When have Inquisitors been anything other than angry?
@@SonGOKU-DA1MA after two episodes? You’re gonna base the entirety of her character after two episodes? That’s the exact problem with the fandom right there. That’s an issue
@@OfficialKlassic I mean...yeah. Her character is meant to come off as intimidating and badass and instead she's just laughable and annoying.
And either she's just not a good actor, or not right for this sort of role, because the performance is horrid.
People are assholes. She's literally playing a fictional character that someone else wrote. People just don't understand at all.
She’s also only had 2 episodes so far lol. Star Wars fans suck sometimes
@the reason calm down, the character isn't destroying anything. Please, for your own mental health, care less about this
@the reason in what way has Reva destroyed anything? The potential is there for Reva to fuck shit up, but we're 2 episodes in and it's fine.
literally? the misuse of this word is so annoying. but I agree it’s disgusting people can’t stfu with their racism and Trump fostered that.
@the reason please stop.. and get some help
Jake, Ahmed, Hayden, John, Kelly, Daisy, Moses, and even Vivien who’s playing young Leia…. People in the Star Wars fandom have a real talent for bullying actors online when they don’t like how a character is being written. As if it’s their fault
Fr it’s disgusting how people go after a literal child. What has the Star Wars fandom become?
Full grown Neckbeards along with kids from his own school almost bullied Jake to suicide. Horrible.
Who the hell is bullying Vivien?!?
Vivien plays Leia to perfection
Why bullying young Leia imo she did a great job potrying her
This is why when people call the Star Wars fandom toxic I don't correct them. This has happened more times with us than any other fandom, the Actor is not responsible for the script if you don't like the character or the way the actor is portraying that character you don't need to go and berate them. It seems so obvious yet it's something that Star Wars fans can't seem to learn😑
It happens in other fandoms too, but I just can't stand the wanting to defend an evil minority. Why side with them? Why add to them?
@@thetrib1 Didn't need the minority part buddy
@@jairusjackson7799 minority is just facts. I don't think it's 51%+ that are evil. Which would make it a minority
What are you talking about, you are just blatantly lying.
Wrong. The actor decides to accept or reject the script, which deliberately mocks, and abuses Whites. She is complicit in the abuse of Whites.
She’s doing a great job of making a dislikable character dislikable. That’s what the character is there for lol she’s doing exactly what she’s supposed to do
Isn't that the point of a villain. She didn't great.
Nah she is just to likeable as a person for a darkside main villain... she should have played a Jedi, thats the problem. And her acting pales in comparison to Ewans, OK given that Ewan is a genius..... But she saying "Oooobi Wan" almost made laugh, but certainly not feal fear. Racist comments are totally inacceptable though.
Make her a Jedi, then no one will have a reason to complain. The name Reva already indicates that.
@@KoljaBeckmann_music I’m sure she will have some sort of redemption in this series. That’s where I see it going at least
@@KoljaBeckmann_music exactly she came off super likable in all of the press for it
@@KoljaBeckmann_music exactly, with vader for example a lot of the fan base gets goosebumps just by him being present in a room & while yeah vader is an extraordinarily hard evil character to top, with disney’s budget they should be able to get someone who can atleast write better lines and deliveries for her script or as you said cast her for a different role perhaps even a jedi
It’s kinda dumb how people take this stuff out on the actors. A lot of times the actors play the characters to the best of their ability. They can’t exactly change how a character is written, that’s on the directors and writers. Besides, if you’re going to complain about studios bullying people, which they do, don’t do it back
I mean, it's the internet man. This is always expected.
People who attacked Jack Gleason and Lena Headey as if they were the horrible characters they portrayed. In actual fact they should be praising them for being such amazing actors for being so convincing not hate on them because you can't separate the fiction from real life.
Are any of these people legitimate or are we just dealing with crazies? You know there are millions if not billions on the internet right? And people get off on hurting people and sending death threats? If any of these were valid and not anonymous accounts I would like to see it.
@@zomish13 A friend of mine actually met Jack Gleason at a convention, from what my friend told me he's a great bloke. And when he played Joffrey in Game Of Thrones, he did a phenomenal job. I don't like Disney Star Wars but people should seriously tell the difference between the character and the actor, constructive criticism and objectivity are good, think rationally and for goodness sake don't let emotion cloud judgement. And if you are offended then I recommend get off the internet and go outside. Maybe go for a walk or listen to classical music or read a book or hangout with a friend. Sorry for the long comment but just thought I'd offer my thoughts on the matter.
Yeah bruh, we only have 2 ep, shes so annoying i think shes gonna end up getting slaughted by vader or some shit, like i think shes purposely annoying, weve only seen her character twice.
How many Star Wars actors or actress go through this? Like even kids? The toxic nature of a big part of the Star Wars fandom is gross we can keep actin like it’s a small part of the fan base but it’s not
The man himself is here! An unexpected surprise to be sure, but a welcome one indeed
I’m a little surprised to see you here man, but I agree. The actors and actresses deserve way better than the hate they get. This happens so often that I can’t really just say it’s only just a select few either.
Scru?
The Star Wars community is a bunch of toxic and most annoying people ever. Why blamed the actor/actress and not the director/producer/writer? Clearly they got pigeon brain that can't think any of this. They're stupid beyond belief. Period.💯👌🏼
He even said in another video, the hate that follows people who participate in star wars makes it hard to have talent willing to work on it. It devolves into worse and worse projects
I'm literally coming here to figure out what is going on with the whole Moses thing. I didn't know people were ripping her apart because her star wars character. I truly thought people were ripping her apart because she tweeted something. Turns out she didnt, and even if she did send out a mean tweet who cares. People need to chill out these days.
i wouldnt be surprised if the mean tweets were coming from Disney themselves as a false Flag attack.
It's not her fault that her character was annoying and like theory said a couple days ago don't blame the actor,blame the script
Both the script, direct and actress are to blame.
She needs to show proof of her harassment.
It’s not like she came out in an article right before Kenobi was released stating Lucasfilm warned her of online hate.
Almost as if a defense was being set up against valid criticism of a character who is focused on more than Kenobi himself.
It is her fault worst actress in Hollywood
@@glane3962 all the proof is on her instagram
She isn’t that annoying, she is just relentless? Just because she is out to get characters we are bias for dosnt make her annoying.
Personally attacking an actor is so incredibly scummy and makes me sad to be apart of this fandom at times.
Hate the character not the actor playing the part is the way to go about it
Hayden went thru this for over a decade!
not me. i dont consider them representative of the fandom and think doing so gives them too much power and makes them too important. why should i feel guilty and or ashamed of being a part of a fandom that's 99 percent good people and one percent scum. they should be the ones feeling ashamed for being part of the 1 percent that is scum.
Don't let forget what they did to Hayden Christensen or Mary Kelly Tran
Dislike? I understand, but how can you fundamentally hate something you saw on screen for a grand total of 15 minutes? Really that strong of an opinion in 15 minutes?
When "fans" direct their anger and frustration at an actor for a character they played, it is never excusable. I personally don't care for the character she's playing in Obi-Wan, but then again, there's still 4 episodes left to go! Ahsoka was annoying at first, too. But leave the actors alone! We've seen this happen to children and I cannot wrap my head around how anyone thinks it's acceptable to target children.
You do realize Disney is the one who started this, right?
@@chessygrind9223 they literally said font be racist. Unlike when it came to sequels they didn't point fingers at the Fandom, they just showed support for one if their own. Hoe is that the same as what Kathleen Kennedy treated the Fandom like. To say it's the same is nothing more then blind support for ideas that once had merrit but don't anymore.
I agree people used to hate ahsoka because she was annoying , but people dont understand that she was suposed to be so she could grow out of It. Now i could be wrong about reva and she might just stay as she is but we still dont know that and if that were to happen i wouldnt blame the actress for doing her job
@Napoleon Bonaparte Those still are not reasons to harass someone, are they? We're still talking about *media* ; if people feel so offended by fictional media that they go out of their way to spew horrible racist stuff at someone, those people are still the problem. No matter how "disrespectful" someone is towards the fandom by not having watched the movies.
@Napoleon Bonaparte just shut up, she doesn't need to catch up everything star wars related. Let her do her shit
So, I’m a lifelong Star Wars fan but let’s start being honest about the fandom. It’s one of the worst out there. This isn’t something new. Star Wars fans regularly attack members of the cast like this. It shouldn’t be glossed over.
Agreed, and when called out on it they gave many excuses lol. Maybe some of them are legit, but the way they said it makes my skin crawl to be honest. Just because you dislike something doesn't mean you have to be a dick and toxic about it.
I just want to add, that this, all these racist bullying and stuff, they're not exclusive to Star Wars or Sci-Fi/Fantasy fandom.
Basically this happens in ALL western based fandom, music, movies, anime, comic, manga, TV series, K-pop, every single pop culture fandom that is western based, they're all like this for almost a decade now
This is why I pulled out of many many fandoms I've been a part of, specially those that are western based and just make or join the local ones that is based on my own country. They maybe less informed about many things, but they're more fun than a lot of what the western fan base community at the time being.
This happened with Hayden back then. People will never learn
The Fandom drove the actor who played Jar-Jar Binks into such a depression he considered suicide. Yeah, hard core SW fans are toxic af
@OlJimJam it’s definitely more than .1%. Just look at theory’s comments and you will see bigotry and hate disguised as a “critique”. I agree that most of them are probably just trolls at this point, but those are the loud, toxic minority that other Star Wars fans get roped into. We will continue to be labeled as toxic until these people no longer care about Star Wars. My suggestion: keep casting women and minorities and eventually the bigots will expose themselves and we can show them the door
It's sad cos people got mad at Lucas Film pre-emptively warning her about this. And then it happened anyway.
So I guess they were right.
They warned her because they knew they made her character an awful piece of shit that most people wouldn't like. Folks didn't hate Moff Gideon from Mandolorian.
@@risistince they made her character *annoying*. Moff Gideon's character wasn't annoying.
@@risistince Isn't that the point? They made her like that on purpose. Look at how Ashoka started in The Clone Wars.
@@risistince I mean, when I don't like a character I don't take it out on the actor. That and I think people are massively over blowing their issues with Reva.
@@Rockden No one is more toxic to Star Wars then Star Wars fan and difference between Ashoka and Reva is Ashoka was a child so her being annoying was understandable it feels like Reva character was written to be disliked and annoying but what she do makes no sense
The more this happens, the more actors won’t want to return. And it also gives the Star Wars fanbase a bad look. Those idiots sending her hate wouldn’t even dare say it to her face. They’re just cowards behind a screen.
@John Pershing someone had to say it!!!
And honestly might even be kids and young teens. Those are the people in this world with the least amount of filters or manners. And it's not always obvious how old the people in those dms are.
If it's grown ass men though then extra shame on them.
Indeed
@John Pershing I don’t know about you, but I think sending someone racist abuse all because you don’t like their acting or character is pretty cowardly and a shitty thing to do.
@John Pershing nah you one of those cowards i see
The role might be out of place, but the actress has nothing to do with it. She’s just doing her part. Fans like this are the problem, learn to discern the character vs the actor/actress
Fr. They haven't learned a single thing from Hayden
Well, she has also been delivering lines in a subpar way lol. And the directing is to take criticism for it too. But we can critique actors and actresses for their performance. Not personal attacks, obviously, but some of you are making it out to be that we can't also blame her lol.
Let’s be real. This is about BLACK and white. Not even Star Wars can escape the ways of this nation. Keep your head on a swivel
@@jackfoudray she is just going along with the script smh
@@jackfoudray 🤡
As a lifelong Star Wars fan, I am broken-hearted by this news. The main theme of the entire franchise is overcoming prejudice and embracing difference for a greater good. The best advice I could give to this young woman is do the best you can and let the work speak for itself. I am behind you 100%! Rock on my beautiful black sister!
Amen!
when was this the theme of star wars ? I believe it was a classic good vs evil story
Facts
@@JarlinJamesNDK13 a group of different and diverse characters defeats an evil empire dominated by mostly cis straight white men by choosing pacifism and believing that everybody is good in their hearts. That's star wars
It makes no sense to come after an actor because of a character they portray.
The character isn't even bad
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Ditto.
gotta love star wars ‘fans’! who bullyed hayden christensen, kelly marie tran, daisy ridley, jake lloyd and so many others way from star wars, because they didnt like their characters! not because they acted awfully but because the fat neckbearded ‘fans’ like to bully
READ MY NAME!!!!
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Star Wars fans are embarrassing. We don't even know the full purpose of her character yet and people are acting like this.
people shouldn''t act like this regardless of anything her character does...
It’s not Star Wars fans lol why do you think they are?
Even before it came out, people were being super racist about her being casted.
Have y’all seen other videos of the actor?
Thank you! We literally just got introduced to her character. We don’t know her motives yet. We don’t know much about her. It’s literally just episode 2 of the show… Can we at least give the character a chance to develop before hating them?
I dislike the character of Reva, but how is it Moses Ingram's fault? She didn't write the character. She's not even a bad actress, she was just doing what she was told. This is literally what happened with the prequels- people need to remember that actors and actresses aren't the ones writing the scripts. Going out of your way to harass someone is repugnant. (And of course people use this as an excuse to say racist things to her) I hope she sees all the love and support, rather than the hate and harassment.
She's an awful actress.
@@SafetyBriefer and that means she deserves racism?
@@SafetyBriefer nah she’s good at it
@@SafetyBriefer I respectfully disagree, but even if you think so, she doesn't deserve to be harassed
@@GabimaruSano she didn’t get any racism. Cut the shit, when people criticised her character she went around Twitter calling her fans racist. Her idea of racism is literally “you don’t like my character bc she’s black” blocking her ears ignoring why people actually disliked her character
“You’re not serving Vader….
You’re hunting him……”
😳
I love Reva, and now we’re all wondering were she went and what she did after this series ended.
Actually I forgot she even existed. I was watching fight scenes from kenobi and saw this video. Then I remembered she was the main character of this show 😂 v forgettable character
Damn people, leave the woman alone! I think she did an amazing job conveying the character so far! It's not her fault Reva is not written to some people's liking.
Absolutely pathetic. These actors are not the people they portray. They are paid to play a character exactly how they are instructed to play the character. Whether the character is good or not has nothing to do with them. People are disgusting.
I may not like reva, but the actress is a human being at the end of the day, she is doing the best she can for her role. Nobody should be attacked, why can’t people just have civil discussions
Why don’t you like her? It’s been 2 episodes.
Regardless Disney will capitalise on this as if it takes away from poor writing
@@TheMelancholicWriter duh because shes the villain
yeh i hate the character but the actress should be left alone rlly
@@TheMelancholicWriter because she is TERRIBLE
Unless the actor specifies that they had a hand in writing the role I never blame the actor for shitty writing.
This is disgusting. In no way was this Moses fault. She didn't develop the character. She didn't write the dialogue. It was the writers who did all this and told Moses how to act out the character. Even if the character development is that bad, blame it on anyone but Moses.
It’s never the actor/actress’ fault. Whoever writes or directs any characters need a bit of criticism, but not extreme criticism towards them
People are literally saying this because she doesn't seem to be doing a good job with the acting...
Why do you and others here automatically believe everything you see on the internet?? Are you guys that naïve? She’s obviously BS’ing. Anyone with half a brain can clearly see that. And this’s exactly what Disney wanted. They wanted the fanbase to be blindly blamed so everyone can forget about how crappy the show is especially Reva.
@@Theseus. yep exactly they literally told her before that people were gonna be racist and hate on her when its like 5 people doing that they just can't except that they have ruined the francise and their characters are bad....
@@Theseus. I think the point is that there are fans attacking the actor for the writing of the character. When it comes to arrogant, impatient and short tempered live action characters, there’s not really a way to act that character out without being cringe. Not even the best of actors can act it out to look good.
People bullied Jake Lloyd, Ahmed Best, Hayden Christensen, John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Kelly Marie Tran, hell people even bullied George Lucas. It is sad that we have come so far and yet so many people act the same way. It’s alright to dislike a character but it’s never okay to break down the actor who plays them. They’re simply doing what their told and it’s never up to them what the character says or does. It’s not their fault. So many people want to like Star Wars but feel a sense of distaste and hatred from the fanbase and it ultimately discourages them. We as a fanbase ( and I know it’s not everybody ) need to mature and move on from things. So that people who want to enjoy the franchise and the ones who are a part of it can live peacefully.
Agreed
True, but let's be honest she's just bad actress. And it feels like she got the role only because she was black. No I'm not hating or being racist. I just tell my opinion about actor skills. Btw one of my fav actors is Morgan Freeman so butthurt gen Z kids go away.
@@kmitura and your initialed to your opinion and you can hate actors but you cant just bully her because you dont like her as an actor you know and thats what is really getting people mad
@@kmitura I agree with and they don't understand this.
This actor is leading people in a different direction by doing whataboutism because she doesn't say why they are criticizing her. On the contrary; By equating those who criticize her with these racists, she creates a perception as if everyone who criticizes her is a racist. That's pathetic...
That's no fun.
The bad thing is this could turn off so many great actors from performing in Star Wars for fear of stuff like this happening if this continues. Thank you Theory for denouncing this animalistic behavior
I'd be surprised if its not already a known thing around the industry. So many actors have been bullied to an awful extent after getting a star wars role...
That ship is already long gone. Star Wars fans nit pick on everything. No talented actor would even bother to go into a call casting. The MCU gets great talented actors because fans know how to enjoy what they have.
It really is baffling. I hated the sequel trilogy and at most I've commented in communities like these to vent, but reaching out to an actor with threats is ridiculous.
Not seeking to be divisive, but why do I get the feeling the most hateful folks are coming from the channels like Nerdrotic, Geeks + Gamers, etc.? These creators live on the outrage of their fans and go rabid any time there is any kind of attempt to diversify casting. Frankly, it's childish and makes me concerned about the fanbase when I see the kind of comments they foment.
100% actors are going to see this and not want to be apart of star wars in fear of getting unnecessary hate and eventually star wars will have trouble finding actors
@@malignm1857 yeah and because they get payed a lot, and don't forget that marvel actors get the same bad treatment like the star wars ones. Actors are in the mcu because it is popular and can give you a career boost.
“If you hate the villain so bad that you hate the actor, the actor deserves an award.”
-some guy
Glad you’re reacting to this. Like the character or not, shit like this is not okay.
READ MY NAME!!!!
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Theory is a good guy. Other channels have just been criticizing Lucasfilm for defending Moses without acknowledging this DM's she received.
@@andreoliveira191 for me its not her character part id hate on her for its the statement she made saying how reva is better than vader thats stupid asf
@@andreoliveira191 I’m guessing Quartering is supporting the harassment?
@@fritz5940 She has said some dumb stuff, yes. We can criticize her and her character, which I dont like. But harassing is just wrong.
I am not a big fan of her character. But attacking the actress is absolutely unacceptable
Yup bad things are bad that’s the world. The entire convo is simply a deflection from the shitty quality of the show
@@randalthekidd7006 the show is great and reva is decent
Star wars "fans" really haven't learned a thing from Ahmed Best or Jake Lloyd.. I'm absolutely disgusted
Worst fandom out there. Of all the herd/geek/scifi fandoms, SW is the worst. They even created the irrelevant and disgusting "fandom menace" crowd lol one of the worst things on YT
I mean at least Achmed got the love he surely deserves, but Jake? Poor guy.
These are trolls, not fans, and we don't even know if they are real people. Anyone who's a public figure gets this type of stuff on a daily basis, and Disney is just using it to invalidate any criticism of the show or actress.
@@benjamin8459 trolls, fake, real, who cares? It’s disrespectful to the persons situation that has just had to deal with all this and to just dismiss it
Except that Best called out the media and not fans.
Honestly, Star Wars “fans” are not doing this but rather hateful trolls who want attention.
I’m satisfied with Reva after 3 episodes. Personally, I like the characters vengeful and impotent attitude. It’s beyond me why someone would speak bad of someone who’s paid to act a role they didn’t write. When episode two showcased Anakin‘s cringey, “I can’t breathe” scene, my first thought was, “George! What are you doing man?!” It had nothing to do with Hayden who I thought played a stellar character. Lucasfilm isn’t put together very well…one only needs to look at the head there. However, the actors are amazing. Good talk Theory
bruhh I don’t get the hate, she’s literally everything a sith is supposed to be. lol any time I create a dark side character in a star wars game I swear their personality is exactly like hers.
@@kintsugikame nah man, she is just as bland, uninspiring and unmenacing as Kylo Ren was. Very poorly written character.
@@DaroZuo kind of agree there. Kylo was a good guy trying to be bad and he came off as too much in areas
@@enriquecoronajr Kylo is still the best part of the sequels for sure. Some day, kids will come out, who love the sequels and grew up with them. Just like the prequels, they will claim they’re unjustly hated, and actually pretty good. This is a horrible circle of hatred.
@@JuanCastillo-gh8bk true they all have there good and bad
If her character bothers you, she’s doing her job very well. People out there, keep your hate to yourself. This actress has nothing to do with you or how the story is written. She’s a human being in a tough spot. Show her love and compassion, not hate and disrespect. It’s just a show about space wizards with laser swords after all! Chill TF out!
Not necessarily. A lot of critique from people deals with her acting itself. Including from Star Wars Theory himself in yesterday’s video. Obviously the racist comments are despicable and unacceptable. But people deserve to say they don’t think her acting is great without it being racist.
"if her character bothers you, she's doing her job very well" not always. Shes written to be annoying but some stuff just doesn't make sense so far
@@HIFLY01 yeah and the stuff that doesn’t make sense was written by someone else, all she’s doing is acting that person character out. So yes if you dislike her then she’s doing an amazing job because that’s exactly who her character is supposed to be.
A show about space wizards and lazer swords is such a dumb argument man. People shouldn't do that because its wrong to harass people on that level or in general.
@@yubarii you can make a villain that people absolutely hate because they're bad and do bad things and you can make a villain hated because the audience cant follow their logic or the story. Those are 2 different things and shes starting to lean to the second one
There’s a difference between “I don’t like Reva” or “I don’t like Moses’ performance” vs “Screw Moses Ingram she’s ruining the show and is a terrible performer.” One of these is ok. The other isn’t.
exactly, the fact that people can't tell these things apart is nauseating
how many incidents of 'the other' are there though? really?
She is kinda a bad actress though, Disney is the one ruining star wars.
@@cobrakai84 oh my sweet summer child
@@cobrakai84 I’d like to see them too
Not just Moses Ingram, apparently the kid who played Young Leia got bullied too. Some fans are absolutely deranged.
It’s the first two episodes give them a fucking chance
@@def3ndr887 I mean no the show is complete shit and it proved the leaks which are even worse.
Still actors should be be shat on for anything but acting. She’s terrible at that also but not race related
@@randalthekidd7006 man stop replying to so many comments just saying the show sucks. It doesn’t.
Hopefully kid Leia's parents can protect her from what's to come at school. Being in the biggest movie of the turn of the century ruined Jake Lloyd's life.
Seriously?? That’s awful! Grown adults attacking a literal child, *again* .... I’m gonna throw hands👊😧
I don't believe any Star wars fans are racist, these are trolls and Larpers, I know because those same fans LOVED Ahsoka Tano, loved Moff Gideon, and loved Leia and Landon... BECAUSE WE LOVE WELL WRITTEN CHARACTERS THAT ADD TO THE STORY.
Im honestly not suprised by this, people never change. My heart goes out to Moses
You mean there will always be crazies on the internet? Yeah, not much to do about random crazies.
@@edwardrichtofen8530 no Star Wars is out of the most toxic fandom that complain about everything…
@@dancemt1573 bullshit. Star Wars fans don’t complain for the sake of it. If there has been a lot of complaints from Star Wars fans blame Disney for making subpar Star Wars. Furthermore, you have actual proof they are a toxic fan base or is that just what Disney and the media say? Cause I have had many internet and in life discussions of Star Wars and have yet to meet these kkk members and wife beaters I am told the Star Wars fan base is full of.
It’s hilarious to think about this situation while remembering that we used to get bullied for being a sci-fi/fantasy nerd back in the day. Now we have nerds bullying with racism over a fantasy character they don’t agree with. Hilariously asinine. Star Wars does not belong to those that take it beyond the fantasy and attempt to overpower and hurt others because they think they are entitled to owning its universe.
I think it's kind of pointless to get upset over something that happens to people all the time on the Internet. I get hateful comments and death threats all the time, kind of comes with the territory.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp
Belittling racism just because its on the internet says a lot
@@lesvianaura It's a reality of the Internet. It's mostly negative messages. Nobody likes it, but it happens anyway. It says a lot that it only really matters when it happens to celebrities.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp
It always matters. You just have the privilege to not really see it.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp this stiff upper lip nonsense a lot of you push needs to stop man like what are you talking about man… yeah sure it’s the internet but that doesn’t make it right. Stop belittling the internets impact on others this shit pours out into real life too
I personally didn't like her acting/line delivery but there's no need for anyone to go after her like this. What an example of how toxic the Star Wars fandom can get.
Exactly what I wanted to say!
She got a Grammy nomination for Queens Gambit, so she can act.
All the inquisitors seem weak and indecisive. Probably since the senate still has some power and Vader and Palps told them to not be to aggressive publicly.
Reva doesn’t care and just wants power and to get back at Obi-wan for assumed transgression against her.
you also have to think that even her line delivery and stuff like that is probably only about 50%-65% her. She would also have been directed by the director for how to act out the lines. She is literally there to play a character. She didn't come up with her script, she most likely didn't even have total control over how her script was acted in front of a camera. People sending her hate are fucking idiots with no clue how this stuff works.
All actors get hate messages. It comes with being in the spotlight. They even do a talk show skit and make celebrities read the mean tweets that people write about them.
It's not right but it is a requirement to have a thick skin.
@@davidm4566 sure, but I think there's a huge difference in, "Your acting is bad", and "you are a diversity casted act". Straight up racism.
There's no room for racism. I will say my initial reaction was the character seems forced. She seems like a great person and is a great actress.
I can’t get my mind wrapped around how these bullies who purport to be fans of Star Wars could so radically miss the basic messages of Star Wars …
That we have a bad feeling about this?
the basic message of Lucas’ Star Wars (Eps 1-6) is 100% love. Love is the “balance” in the force between Jedi and Sith that the Chosen One (Skywalker and his descendants) was meant to restore
Happens all the time with Trek. I don't even get why they even like the show. I think for some, it's an escape from who and what they are.
@@O1OO1O1 exactly my wife and i talk
about this all the time… sci fi is all about people who don’t look or think the same working together because it’s supposed to give us hope for the future etc
Dude the character is beyond mid and an obvious hire to check off a box
Go after execs, producers and overall makers of the shows and films if a character is bad; don’t hate the actors. Even then, it’s only been two episodes. Give Reva time to show her character in full.
U can dislike what they write but even bullying the writers cuz they wrote something u didn’t like is stupid and toxic
It's bait. Actors always get hate mail
How about go after no one?? Jesus.
Her character is garbo but I’m not gonna attack her when it’s the writer’s fault 😂
shes a bad actor in this role. Doesn't fit the role at all. Doesn't deserve racist comments but lets not act like she acted brilliantly.
This shit happens all the time and I feel so bad for all the actors.
I have literally no respect for these people, it's just pathetic.
All my support goes out to Moses.
Honestly though. I thought this time around some of the Star Wars fans would come to logic and learn, but it does not seem so. I’m not too big of a fan, but I almost feel ashamed to even be a fan because of this nonstop shit.
Happened to Hayden Christensen, Andrew Garfield and Jared Leto for years and no one said a god damn word despite being harassed and threatened for just playing a fictional character. But here comes Moses and we shed all our tears for her, complete B.S
@@BroughtCat just because you lived under a rock for the past 15 years doesnt mean the shit didnt happen. Hayden faced the same shit. Actress who played Rose got driven off of social media. Open your eyes.
I LOVE the fact that she's in the show. She belongs there. I just wish George was there, to make her character MEAN more and be a better overall character. More memorable if you could say
We can’t just have Kenobi and Vader duel for 6 straight episodes.. which is ridiculous.
Why criticize the actor/actress for doing a job.. the writing is more the issue.
But Obi-wan needs 4 episodes to charge up his Spirit Bomb lol
And remember, Filoni PURPOSLEY made Ahsoka annoying as hell. He controlled the anger and confusion and turned her into the maximum of Attention, then into the main interest of the fans. Now look at her
I know, now everyone loves her.
Ahsoka had 7 seasons of growth tho.
Reva only has 6 episodes of Kenobi
That’s a good point. I think because Ahsoka was introduced as an animated character there wasn’t the same amount of hate levied against Ashley Eckstein as there was against actors who played their characters in live action like Hayden Christensen
Ashoka was not annoying. Maybe you need to be reminded-its a children's tv show. In that context she's not annoying.
@@Myspiritualrhythm Clone Wars is not a children's show; Ahsoka was annoying as said by Davi Filoni himself.
People need to detach their emotions. I don't like Reva at this point, the actress did her job. I didn't like Joffery in GoT but the actor did his job too. These roles are meant to provoke disdain from the audience. You're not supposed to like the antagonist especially during the introduction. Was there character poorly written that's up for debate sure. Although people forget, SITH are emotionally passionately driven most are going to be impulsive, bi-polar, and reactionary to their circumstance. The cool collect icons of Sidious and Bane are rare in terms of SITH.
Not everyone is a diehard fan who knows or cares about the lore. Explaining Sith traits won't change many opinions if they simply don't care. I can take your explanation of Reva further. She is a Jedi turned Inquisitor. Vader tortured all captured Jedi until they either died, gave information which they were then killed afterwards, or they turned to the Dark Side. Reva has insane trauma not just from Order 66 but from being broken by Vader.
I feel like she should get a second chance with the character with a better script, I don’t know really who the actress is but her character was written so poorly.
We have been through this a million times, it’s disgusting that people keep bullying actors. She has done a great job these first two episodes imo, she is just portraying a character, not writing it.
Yes and studios have been through this a million times. If their series or movie is failing or getting bad reviews, then they parade out the fact that some idiot somewhere sent a nasty message to an actor, and capitalize on those victim status points. There's probably people who sent Harvey Winkle nasty messages. It happens, people are weird. It still doesn't make the series, the writing or the character any good.
We're not talking about a million times. We're talking about this situation. To me when you attach it all of these random @ss occurrences it minimizes what the actor is going through presently. Focus. Also I think there's too many wanna be critics of the acting and writing who haven't acted or written a day in their lives. Make it make sense. We need more fans and less critics.
She’s obviously making up lies so she can play the usual poor victim. You’re just going to automatically believe everything she says?? Its not surprising that you normies are taking the media’s side and blindly blaming the fanbase (you’re not part of) who ONLY criticized the character. There’s no point to criticize her personally. And btw, you *CANNOT* get muh bullied on the freaking internet FFS. Those other actors were physically bullied.
@@Theseus. Honestly good points. You really can't be bullied on the internet, but this directly affects her career.
@@twiggsherman3641
I couldn’t agree more. I bet the Disney staff are the one who send her those messages, if she’s not lying (which she is). So the focus can be on the “big baddy” fanbase and not how shit the show is.
I love star wars but it hurts seeing this is, it's just an embarrassing and a very immature thing to do
She’s playing the character the way she is supposed to be. People complain about Hayden Christensen’s acting even though that’s the way he was supposed to act too. There’s no excuse for going after this actress or her character.
it's a case of the unguarded public face presented versus insulated and malicious/idiotic decision maker (or influential financier) who most barely know let alone have any effective means by which they can state their dissatisfaction.
My greater issue is that this happens so regularly now that the companies, media outlets, interviewers and studios themselves are incorporating it into their marketing strategy and no matter the source of the hate it's always laid upon the feet of the paying customers/fans.
@@IRMentat you can try and use all the words you like. Star Wars spoke up for their actors as they should’ve BEEN doing. There was no “marketing” for her. It was “we don’t like this and we stand with our actress” that was it.
Exactly I see her as being written like Pong Krell where she is made to be unlikeable and people in universe acknowledge it.
@@Lord-Emperor-Vader she wasn't unlikable just poorly written.
@@Lord-Emperor-Vader it's not like that, at least in my case. ijust don't think her delivery is believable. when she's on screen i see the actress acting and not the character. but that's a matter of opinion and no reason to harass anyone.
I personally think that Mose Ingram did an amazing job! She fits the characters so well like it was tailored to her specifically! And I love Reva just as much! People are saying they dislike the character but I think she fits into Star Wars perfectly! Good Job to Moses Ingram! The hate is just so wrong!
The character sucks and she should have died sacrificing herself not surviving just so they can obviously give her a spin-off but the hate for the actress is ridiculous
How much did Disney pay you to write this?
@@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234 I personally HATE Disney and what they have done to Star Wars! The prequels are my favorite movies and to see Kenobi getting hate makes me sick after what happened with the prequels! I am no Disney fan! I just feel terrible for Moses Ingram!
Honestly, the inquisitors as a whole just don’t seem that intimidating in Kenobi. It’s not just Reva. They’re all not menacing and seem more like a bunch of incompetent teenagers with a slightly more competent guy leading them.
It’s my biggest issue with Kenobi so far. The Inquisitors in Rebels were awesome and I hope to see some of that here.
The GI in Rebels wasn't all powerful like Palps yet he was still intimidating and cunning. The live action version is straight trash and does a disservice to the one seen in Rebels. Why they told Rupert Friend not to refer to the show is beyond me
Wtf? The inquisitors were better in the rebels? When I saw how the grand inquisitor was flying with his lightsaber, I turned that shit off immediately
Wait for the whole series to be out before you come to that conclusion. The Inquisitors aren't supposed to be incredibly intimidating right now because they haven't really found Obi-Wan and faced him. We have seen them walk more than anything else.
Dude is judging a show off of two episodes, really....?🤣🤣
@@zakmirza4878 I know right lmao
I just wanna see those kinds of people dare and actually say that in front of their target. Thats the reason why we should actually be laughing at those pathetic cowards.
das sind alles schuuschkröten lool
They don’t exist. There is nobody saying these things, she’s making shit up. She went around Twitter calling her fans racist for backlash towards her character. She called them racist instead of acknowledging why people didn’t like her character
@@zzodysseuszz I’m skeptical in a way also, I’ve seen 0 racists comments about this character anywhere it’s all about how she acts or is written. I knew Disney would do this though with their character, it’s their fault for interjecting her just because and then when people don’t like the acting style or writing then they just claim racism on the character and actor. Real great PR they got over there. Maybe If lucasfilm and Disney cared as much about making movies again as they do racism then maybe we’d have some movies announced right now.
Problem with that is when you laugh at racist or bullies. The Victim can’t tell the difference in your laughter. And not nor need to decipher which is which. (Get where you were tryna go though)
@Oli Black
What? The Disney staff can’t fake comments? Everything on the internet must be automatically true, right? God, you gullible children are so embarrassing.
"How is this evolving me as a person?"
A concept to live by.
Well handled sir.
Indeed sir. :)
The actress isn't a very good actor. She is mediocre at best, that is not hateful to say.
Racist?
@@Deity_devil wtf no
@@JarlBorg93I’m sure you have prejudices.
Im sure you have bad taste@@jayjoseph6615
Two episodes into a show and people think it's good to attack and harass an actress. I feel pity for those who think this is okay.
It pains me that people are still bullying actors for playing Star Wars characters
Doesn't bug me. The point of playing a character on the silver screen is so that people can watch it and make a judgement of if they like it or not. If you just want to show the movie to your friends then show it to your friends. When you release it to the public then racists and non racists alike get to watch and judge it.
@@shabadooshabadoo4918 doesn't justify bullying...
Yes her character is flawed, but why target the actor? It’s disgusting.
Isn't that the point?
A flawed character is a more compelling character.
@@AshanBhatoa flawed and bad aren't mutually exclusive
People keep saying ''You can dislike the character, but...'' Yet all I've seen is criticism of the character. Ok, I've seen some people criticise her acting, but what, we can't complain about acting now? Are we seriously saying it's all racism and sexism fuelling this?
Well, you run another channel- Cobra Kai theory. Are the female and POC actors getting shit over there? No, because their characters are all well written and their skills and abilities all make sense. Not to mention all the POC in Star Wars previously- Lando, Windu, Jango, etc..
Now, if I'm wrong and she has posted a screenshot of her DM's fine, I'll take the L, but I haven't seen anything but criticism of Reva, not Moses.
this
She posted dm’s so take your L
@@erikaeric8313 dammit. Fair enough
I don’t like the character, but that’s not her fault, it’s the writers fault. People really need to separate the actor and character, and stop giving the actor so much shit for something they can’t control
Why do you hate the character tho 😂. There’s nothing to hate?? Is it cus Reva’s Evil and annoying and taking things too far? Then palpatine is a bad character? No?
@@HJD_10 I never said I hate the character, I just said I don’t like the character. I’m allowed to like/dislike something, even if you may disagree
@@HJD_10 you're not entitled to an explanation for someone else's distaste anyway
@@HJD_10 I feel like the character is overshadowing Kenobi, as well as overshadowing the other Inquisitors. Again, not the actors fault, it’s the writers fault
@@HJD_10 Why do you care what others think so much? So what if they don't like the character, let people have their own thoughts and opinions.
We forget Asokha was one of the most hated Characters in the Clone Wars but now she has become loved. I am disappointed in those who spread hate. It really hurts to see this.
And what changed? Did she suddenly change genders or started looking different? Nope. The writing got better.
It's always about the quality of the content. Everything else is deliberate distraction.
@@INRamos13 No the character evolved and matured so she changed accordingly the writers definetely improved themselves too but don't you think about why ONLY Ahsoka was the target of the criticism and not anyone else? Rex was already awesome Anakin was badass Obi Wan was the sassy cool guy we always knew him to be only a 15 year old young padawan who got no experience was annoying what a freaking surprise an annoying teenager...are you people so stoic that you never change? You don't look at your teen years and think "fuck I was cringey" there is a reason there is a thing called character development
@@soundwave2481 she wasn't even annoying when she first showed up , people just didn't want change, ahsoka was dropping gems since she arrived lol
@@INRamos13 exactly. people pretending racism is still alive in 2022. probably just 5-10 kids with multiple accounts spamming her with similar messages.
@@refugeehugsforfree4151 I really sincerely hope you’re being sarcastic about “people pretending racism is still alive in 2022”
As someone who is critical of new Star Wars stuff, I was annoyed by Reva “killing” the GI. We have not seen her whole character so far and motivations. I think we should wait until the show is over before we reserve judgement. I wonder how often inquisitors attack each other though?
I was annoyed by her in general. I don't think her writing is very good and I don't think her acting is very good. I cringed during some of her scenes. I am curious where they will take her character, though. But, as a black woman I am angered by the racists attacks against her and think that some of the fandom has a serious problem with how they engage the material. Especially considering its a universe with all sorts of species and colors.
Listen I been a Star Wars fan since I was around 4 years old back in 2005 the only thing that i found annoying was the Grand Inquisitor dieing becasue if you ever get to watch the series Star Wars Rebels just know it takes place around 5 years after the Obi Wan Kanobi series so 15 years after Revenge of the Sith and the Grand Inquisitor was the main villian of the first season till he dies after a badass lightsaber fight. and the people that are being racest are just saying that becasue there ass hats that just want to start shit and are saying there Star Wars fans just as a crutch... or thats how i see it at least
I think it makes sense. The rule of two was created because the sith kept killing each other.
@@MegaSparklyRainbow Your right, but the Grand Inquisitor wasn't supposed to die in Kenobi because he dies on screen in Star Wars Rebels which takes place 5 years after Kenobi so the writers of Kenobi kind of fucked up there
My issue is she wasn’t even a fan of Star Wars before taking the role. To me, that is evidence enough that she was in fact a diversity hire. EVERYTHING that is made has a diversity hire. It’s got nothing to do with her “being black” in the world of Star Wars, it’s got 100% to do with her bashing Star Wars in the past, wasn’t a fan before being casted, and her nonsense of her “my character is better than Vader” and the “there’s never been black people in Star Wars so my role will be ground breaking” bullshit. She brought the hate from fans on herself. The racism isn’t acceptable, but that’s not the core of what’s going on.
Everyone says “well that’s not us I wouldn’t do that. The fandom isn’t toxic!!!” But it keeps happening again and again and again…
Almost like the fandom is absolutely toxic.
It's pretty telling that instead of holding their own Fandom accountable for its ills, the first thing people do is respond like an immature 5 year old trying to evade any accountability; "it was Tommy, dad! Not me!"
And when you Do tell them to hold these people accountable, they say it's bots, or they did a false flag or it's just a minority.
It doesn't matter if it is all 3, the fact people don't condemn this and make an effort not to do so, is pretty telling.
If it turns out to be made up, we need the evidence rather than conspiracy theories.
@@Thiago_Alves_Souza It's exactly like religious people when you try to talk about the harm religious institutions do and they go "Well they aren't a REAL church! They aren't REAL Christians!"
Her character- bad
Moses herself- doesn’t deserve hate
It’s the same thing with Hayden, Ahmed, Kelly, John, Daisy, Natalie and all the others.
It’s the writers fault not hers
Edit: for everyone talking about how she isn’t “bad” I was using the umbrella term of bad to cover all the negative things her character could be described as. The point was to not bully Moses not about her character. Y’all missed the point
The only actor/actress I think that deserves hate is AH, her situation is entirely opposite
@@SB-nl5bq who?
@@SonGOKU-DA1MA Amber Heard
@@SB-nl5bq who is AH? Arrogant horse?
Edit: well I didn't know AH meant Amber heard while I wrote the original comment, but I guess some of you guys may think that it fits anyways
Even with the writers I don't think we should be cool with fans sending death threats because they wrote a bad story
It’s a small minority doing these things and I think it really sucks when Star Wars does stuff like this.
So many other ways to handle it.
A small minority with disproportionately large platforms.
As long you think its a small minority, people wont change shite. Which makes sense lol worst fandom ever!
Better to address it than ignore it.
@@AshanBhatoa
I just think they could take advantage of the time we live in, and hold these people accountable.
Instead posting a very intense, confrontational message on all their platforms. That could so easily leave their fans misinterpreting things.
@@FinalShotFilms there’s different ways to do that is my point.
Don't become the thing you swore to destroy.
@local swede straight
Disney
That's the problem is that people don't know what they want and don't have deep, righteous vows to go back to. We all need to be founded in Jesus which means loving God who loved us first, and loving others more than ourself.
@@crimsonstripes people do know what they want. Top Gun Maverick is a perfect example
@@birbshid 200 degrees
That's why they call me Mister Fahrenheit
I'm travelling at the speed of light
After the most recent episode, Reva and her character arc has grown on me. As a side note, Moses Ingram is a talented and beautiful actress and there's no need to attack her.
Real shit
I don’t even understand how we can “hate” her yet? She’s doing literally exactly what a darkside impulsive person would act like
Its because shes black and to half of these infectious morons who have infiltrated star wars, they think anyone who isnt white is some form of "woke sjw agenda" here to replace white men or some dumbass shit.
Those first comments literally prove who these people are. They are the sorts of people who watch geeks & gamers daily and think they are under attack from the "libtards" and have this entire made up culture war in their minds, like I said, to the point they think a black woman is just a "diversity hire" and that its "George floyadism"
These people whinge about cancel culture but would cancel anyone they want if tbey could, they dont deserve a platform to speak on
The hate is completely unjustified. She was receiving hate far before the show even aired. And her character is written to be against Kenobi, and written to be an opposition - to be abrasive. She doesn’t even have Rey syndrome because she’s definitely not overpowered or liked by any of her peers. What else do you want Reva to do?
I’m not loving the shouting threatening monologues. But that’s more of an issue with writing and direction. I’d personally prefer if her dialogue was reduced significantly until later episodes so we didn’t know what her motivation was and have her be more of an act first, explain later kind of a character. That way when she does something, it’s shocking, it’s still impulsive, and she can still get chewed out by her peers, but the audience would be wondering, “What’s her deal?”
I’m thinking more of how Denis Villeneuve reduced Benicio Del Toro’s dialogue in Sicario where he was mostly a silent/almost background character until he acted and then he took over the narrative the second half of the movie. That’s what I wish they would’ve done with Reva.
I don’t have a problem so much as they wrote her to be over the top unhinged with zero discipline. It’s one dimensional the writers could and should do better. She literally stabbed her boss trying to kill him and said some stupid comment like “Who’s in the gutter now!” It’s just bad, she’s out of control. Even if she killed The Grand Inquisitor, (which is obvious she didn’t considering the time this happened) she just ruined herself. Now the inquisitors will be hunting her as well. It’s just pretty stupid IMO. Maybe it’ll end up being cool in that, but it made the character just unbelievable at that point. Not a single rational or logical thought to her actions, just a mindless and angry nut job.
She seems like a Mary sue they way Disney is portraying her doing unnecessary gymnastics and getting away with not following orders. If that were the real grand inquisitor he would've cut her head off a long time ago.
Seeing a lot of comments that say “Oh she shouldn’t have taken the role, it’s still her fault she could’ve said no”, who can honestly tell me if they got the chance to be PAID to be in legitimate Star Wars content they would say “no” even though 99% of us here in the comments can’t act for shit? This is a JOB to the actors, there are literally no one who qualifies as “A listers” in the Kenobi show which means they may actually need this to pay for their lives/expenses. Maybe she couldn’t just say no to this role because not only could it be an entry to becoming an A Lister, but could also be what’s keeping her in her home with food in her belly. Just saying, kinda of ridiculous to ridicule someone for working to stay afloat
I mean the character was only a woke insert it literally did not matter who played her other than a black woman to Disney
I mean she was warned that there would be backlash. That should be a red flag right there. If they truly believe they're doing this for all the right reasons then they wouldn't be warning actors about joining a project. If it's a controversial role that would convey serious problems then yes you should be advised but this is a role where you're holding a laser sword and pushing things with your mind.
Also Ewan McGregor is an A lister dude. The guy has been in some big movies over the last 10 years, he's won a Golden Globe and an Emmy
@@kuhanblock9380 damn, what did he win an Emmy for?
@@randalthekidd7006 Based on what? Aside from the fact that she's black.
Obi Wan had 40 minutes of screen time and Reva had 5 in total, how can people think that she's taking the spotlight or overshadowing Kenobi? She quite literally fits the definition of a supporting character and an antagonist, not a protagonist
Just means she stole the show, which speaks volumes for the actress and her character
You know why they are saying it. No need to tip toe around the problem. Shes black. And shes a woman. Thats it. Their issue in a simple bow.
@@TheKillaShow period, that's true
@@TheKillaShow facts
@@TheKillaShow hey did you ever see the leaked video conference of some of Disney's highest-ranking Executives going over there what I believe to be an evil and disgusting strategic plan/ agenda, and if you're someone who's really into Star Wars and keeps up with everything then you should know that behind-the-scenes this same kind of ideology and agenda is in full swing and there is no what's. and's. or if's about it!
it's not an opinion it's a fact. And why some people may actually have an issue because she's black and a woman,
My personal issue is that this actress was specifically placed and written into the show by the executives behind the scenes simply because she is black and a woman! Kind of like some douchey rich people buying a show horse and putting it up on a pedestal to show off and for me personally i find that really messed up!
Now in regards to the show itself and the character, bad acting, bad directing ( with this character) she does not need to be in this show whatsoever.
Maybe if she was properly introduced in her own story within her own movie and or TV series okay I'm down with that but this was not the time, nor show!
As a military veteran her character and the way she acts reminds me of female drill instructor. And honestly to me the female drill instructors were much scarier than the male ones lol. I think her acting fits the character perfectly because the empire is a fascist military. Some of the lines are cringe or out if place sure, but that's more on the writers of the show and not so much on her in my opinion. I personally "buy" her more as an inquisitor than the other 2. The grand inquisitor acts like a captain or colonel would since his demeanor is way more proper which also fits his character in the show very well.
Especially that scene with uncle Owen gave me flashbacks of when a female drill instructor is all up in your face taunting you calmy and hoping you'd make a move or say something disrespectful so they'd have an excuse to haze the ever living shit out of you. it really does capture the essence of how that feels in real life for me personally at least.
to me it feels super forced (no pun intended) that she is a BLACK women with power not a powerful women that happens to be black. like they make her way too powerful and evil, yet she has the cringiest lines. poor writing.
@@jimmyrecard6021 idk I guess we disagree. But that's ok. Everyone has different taste. To me her lines and delivery are very human and believable. But I guess that's the problem since we're supposed to be in outerdpace lol. I get it.
@@theoacean yeah i'm not trashing the actor, it's the writers that have done it poorly. There is no mystique to her character. we aren't even meant to know the inquisitors name, yet we know Revas. and she has no special connection to any other characters, like she was dreamed up at the last second.
@@jimmyrecard6021 ok yeah I do agree that she seems way too important when the show is supposed to be about Obi-wan and Darth Vader. I wish they would focus on those two more and not make them side characters in their own show.
How’s anybody surprised…this entire fan base has a reputation that goes back almost two decades for viciously bullying actors. It’s a shame because I love Star Wars, but there is no denying the fact that this fan base is a toxic cesspool unlike any other. The people who do this aren’t “outliers” this is sadly just the Star Wars fandom, you don’t build the reputation this fan base has from a tiny minority within.
It’s this or the cringy fandom you get in fnaf
Kinda, Star Wars has also attacked the fans, certainly Rian Johnson or KK.
Completely agree, our fan base gets heated fast and taking it out on the actors makes everything worse, might deter some from taking roles in SW. We can change the reputation but it’s going to take time
They are outliers. Unless you have definitive proof they aren’t. Any pics of death threats that are valid? Or are they likely random accounts people use cause thanks to the internets anonymity, they can do as they please.
Its a big group in absolute numbers yes. But i would still like to make clear that in relative numbers, this is a small group.
But unfortunately, it's still too big of a group.
And a lot of these people say that they just get critized by SJW's and then when they give "valid criticism" they get the label of toxic, racist or sexist fans. But that is just bs. Reva has been attacked by these people since the first trailer, before we knew anything about her.
But i still would like to point out most people from the "star wars fanbase" isn't like this.
This is totally ridiculous. It's only been 2 episodes, if someone doesn't like the character or those episodes you should blame the production, writes, and the direction.
The bullying really has to stop, this is 100% shamless. Anyways, keep up the awesome work Theory.... or shall I call you "Darth Niatus"
I can't believe someone would hide behind skin color for bad acting. God forbid these days you have to say something bad about actor of a different race, or color.
There is bad writing, and then there is bad acting. She is awful actor, and awfully written character. There is no need to be racist, and I would bet most of racist comments come from people claiming that most of SW fans are racist. Classic. And now you think you are in somewhat holy war against racists. Dont you think those people would attack all the rest cast from old towards the end of Star wars? Do you think MACE WINDU, FINN, SAW GERRERA, CAPTAIN PANAKA, MOFF GIDEON, GREEF KARGA OR LANDOgot hate mail? No, i dont think they did, they are all good actors, and solid writen characters, some of which are beloved!
@@garellredeemer5464 3 episodes in and true
@@garellredeemer5464 agree
@@garellredeemer5464 I'm sorry if I didn't read this comment correctly but the issue is that people WERE attacking her because of race, also you should never threaten an actor or lash out at them for a character that they play that's insane. Criticism is good but they threats and comments that ARE racist are fucked
@@garellredeemer5464 If I remember correctly I believe Lando did get some hate for betraying Han Solo and got some hate mail for it. I don't think it was racist stuff, but I do think he got hate mail for it. XD
I actually think her character is a perfect foil for Obi-wan because she stands in as an analog for Anakin. The impulsivity, the over confidence, the sense of indignation over being passed over for what she’s due, and in her case the fact that the she was right about Obi-wan as salt in the wound. It’s like Obi-wan is being hunted by Vader’s Id.
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Great point Matt
Fucking no...
I just don’t believe a character who went through becoming an inquisitor would be this impulsive and arrogant.
I think its bad writing along with bad acting. Nothing against her personally I'm sure she can act, she was to be portrayed that way.
Man this is sad, I know some of us hate her character but sending hate to her in real life is messed up.
@local swede Your probably one of them
It happens all the time but no one looks through their insta DMs
@local swede your mom is gay
Seeing that we’re only two episode in, I’m not a fan of Reva: she’s insubordinate and hot headed (which to be far is the description for a bunch of Sith). But I’d never flame an actor for doing their job.
Behavior like this only proves Disney right for briefing her ahead the shows premiere.
Everyone loves Anakin and he was hot headed and insubordinate.
Reva is a character. She is an actor playing a character.
@@G2_Convoy he's also white...
@@G2_Convoy Yeah thats the thing.
Is this a question of the usual hate an unlikable character recieves in a big franchise being blown out of proportion and heavily promoted, or is there something that really pissed these people off in the shows episodes.
Either way, she is not likable even as a villain or antagonist.
Talentless Patronising tokenism in a nutshell. Sadly people like her will never be able to say they earned their role on their own merit and talent, without that thought in the back of their mind.
"Was i, just a virtue signal."
@@ziondelhamorte66 Has nothing to do with that Anakin is the main character and Reva is just written to not be liked but I agree going at the actor is way to much I forget how toxic Star Wars fans can be
I loved Reva in the show and Moses did great. Reva represents the Star Wars fandom in a way. Obsessed with Kenobi and wanting Vader’s respect.
I've never understood why people think attacking an actor who plays a character they don't like will accomplish anything when it's the fault of the writers. The same thing happened to Jake Lloyd, Ahmed Best, Kelly Marie Tran, and Daisy Ridley. Star wars fans are arguably the best in cinema, but can also be the most reprehensible in terms of behavior.
I have never seen a star wars comment section that isn't toxic as fuck
Oh please, it’s a vast minority that do these bad things. She could only pick 4-5 to screenshot. While I’m sure her inbox is full of dozens, if not 100s, of positive messages. She’s just doing this for clout
@@harvestmoonproductions4904 I'm glad finally someone said it. Its the internet ecery one gets hate comments no matter who you are. I hate how Disney is using this as an excuse to call fans racist.