coop is supposed to be c/o 25 but he’s he classed up and is still no.1 and I’ve watched ace play live hes a star but he’s takes breaks defensively and takes bad shots thats why i got coop at 1
Yeah Coop is the best two way player I’ve seen in years, people get enamored with the high volume shot creators and think that’s the only part of basketball
put ace on a team like montverde full of other five stars and you'll see he's not #1. i dont think he'd know what to do on a team like that where there's not one star, where they play team basketball. it would be a wake up call for sure.
@andrewbaileyMKU All y’all fans care about is that bag talk basketball. If somebody got a tween tween hesi and take tough shots, then that’s the end all be all. Cooper is better, miss me with that bag talk bball
@@HouseOfHandlesTrainingthat makes no sense. Cooper flag has zero and I mean zero creativity. He barely scores and is not seen as a threat. If he was the focus of the opponents defense he would not scire
I would say coop was the best player up until last summer. He went the position-less route and now he’s a number 2 option. I can see a Franz Wagner role maybe a taller Mikal Bridges, Jeremy Grant but definitely not a number one option. Ace is the best scorer in HS basketball. Jason Tatum or PG type of game but hopefully with a killer mentality. I can see either of them going no.1 I like aces game more but coop probably translates easier to the NBA
@@cameronbolden5064He's talking about as an NBA #1 option. It's more likely Flagg turns into an Evan Mobley than a Kevin Garnett. Just an elite defender who is inconsistent offensively. In the NBA your team finna trade for a Donovan Mitchell or Damian Lillard to account for the production making you a #2. A true number 2 on a championship level team isn't the best option but that wouldn't be bad as a top 5 pick
@@BigBroKuma NBA scoring goes down... If Flagg can be a 20 point guy with elite defense that's way better than a 28ppg chucker who has games where he shoots his team out of the game. But either way, college will tell us more. Cooper Flagg just did really well against actual elite NBA players. Doing really well vs Bam Adebayo.
bro your channel is going to explode with subs...I know it, I've seen this talent before with people going from 1k subs to 500k in due time....the branding, style of delivery, pace, editing etc is on point and caters to a huge demographic. Stay consistent producing content and youtube will push you more in the algos to be seen by a broad audience.
When I see mfs say sht like, Cooper's bball IQ is better than Ace's, i already know why they truly like Cooper over Ace. The fact is, Ace is a far superior athlete compared to Cooper, has better footwork, better shooting/shooting form, is more fluid, better handles, and just has that determination in him. Ace has good court vision, makes the right and timely passes but also knows when he needs to take over. Defensively, Ace tends to take breaks on defense but, when he's locked in, it's over for the opponent. These two should have never been compared to one another, Ace is just that much better!
Lol this aged horribly. See what the other actual pros are saying from that team USA run. Im assuming cooper can take over a highschool game by strictly scoring, but instead allows the game ta come ta him and takes wut the defense gives and is an outstanding passer n defender. How many black dudes have been #1 picks? Dam near every year.. it plays no part teams want the best player. Cooper is jus better, sincerely - a black man
Just came across your page and dig it. Only critique is the music volume on the video. THe breakdown of both players was spot on. Been watching both for a few years and the feeling I have is that Ace will be a better pro. Cooper is certainly getting so much pub and with his going to Duke, that will add to it.
I think you are absolutely correct in your assessment at this point in time. A LOT depends on how HUNGRY Cooper is when NBA time comes. College will hone his skills greatly and give him the basic tools for the NBA. However, Hunger in his belly to start or even get game playing time will depend on if he rises to the occasion to play with and against the best of the best of the best in the world or will he get in his own way in his head and Wilt like a wall flower? Thousands before him did exactly that. Wilted. Were sent to G-League to get their Shirt😜 together to come back up and just never did. Of course I want ALL these young men to succeed but the reality is there. It can't be ignored. Personally, I think the kid should immediately be mentored by White Chocolate and run with him and his pickup team over summers and school breaks. He doesn't need anymore basketball summer camps, college ball will take care of his skills, but Jason Williams can definitely put this kid in the right mindset & reality of college and early start to NBA days😎👍🏾🏀
By rating Ace Bailey above Cooper Flagg, you've highlighted all that is wrong with the current NBA, and the current basketball fan. This obsession with hero ball, and scoring. Basketball should be a team game, played at both ends of the court, and Cooper's all round game is far superior to that of Bailey; but all anybody cares about nowadays is highlight reel buckets. The game is gone.
@@davidpark2509it’s about so much more than that. You also want to stop the other guy from putting the ball in the basket. Yall just want to see tween tween step back shit lmao
@@davidpark2509Defense matters in the NBA. Ace Bailey is faaar better than Flagg offensively but Flagg adds defense which we especially saw in the playoffs this year with more physicality being allowed. It's like the argument between James Harden and D-Wade. James is better than Wade offensively he's a better shooter and the offense in Houston was built to support his playstyle and produce monster numbers. But Wade is a better defender. That's why the Hawks struggle despite Trae Young being so good cause he is a below average defender even though he has gotten a little better. In highschool defense definitely doesn't matter but in the NBA it matters if you're trying to actually win games. Or he has to become a ridiculous Dame or Curry level scorer and even they are super active with their hands although part of the Bucks troubles this year was Dame being trash at defense.
I get your point and I'm very high on Flagg but "all around" guys are rarely franchise savers, you have to be dominant on at least one end of the court to change the trajectory of a franchise. I don't yet have a final verdict on Flagg's ceiling as a lot will be revealed facing elite competition at Duke and more parity in talent in the ACC...
Im sorry this is a bad take. Cooper doesn’t need to do that on his current team hs playing a role like Cade Rj Simmons Joel and all the Montevere guys have done before. Cooper in he eybl had multiple 30 pts games as had a eybl scoring record with 52 and 7 blocks when his team needed him to score.
@@flyingdawsonyoutubehe is and it hilarious most people who vote on the polls haven’t saw either play and jus sayin Cooper because they have saw more highlight reels and paying attention to media hype , Ace is better .
I think development is key for both. Flagg will be a better IQ player all round (playmaker) (lebron,magic) Bailey will be a better scorer/bucket getter (kd, Tracy)
Seen Ace play in GA for the last 3 years. Also had the opportunity to see Cooper play 3-4 games on the EYBL circuit. Ace is better. It’s not even close. Footwork. Perimeter shooting. Speed. Motor. Handle. And defense. The main credit that Cooper receives is his defense but I have seen Ace lockdown on all three levels. Ace was the best in the country last year as a junior
These comments didn't age well. Cooper did very well playing with the team USA veterans a few days ago. Who will be better? Hard to say but Coop can play NBA level. We already seen that.
After Flagg's sophomore year, there was only a moderate amount of excitement about him. He was not a focal point of the Monteverde offense, and only averaged 9 points a game. He played within the system and let older players get a good deal of the spotlight. Then in his first game of the off-season, he broke the national EYBL scoring record by putting up 52 points. He continued to dominate the entire summer as the focal point of the Maine offense becoming the consensus #1 player in the country. After skipping his junior year and reclassifying as a senior, he's back playing with 4 fellow 5-star players in the starting unit at Monteverde. He's putting up very good stats, but is sharing the spotlight on the #1 team in the country without a hint of jealousy. I think Cooper needs to tighten up his handle and the mechanics of his jump shot could use some improving. However, I also think that if Cooper and Bailey would switch teams, Coopers stats, like they were this summer, would be far higher, while Ace's stats would be considerably lower.
And simply Cooper plays defense on a nother level. Ace plays defense like a lot of offensively minded stars, at least from what I've seen. Cooper I've seen live a number of times so I may be biased, but his defense was all-NBA level.
I'll go with Cooper Flagg. He is a prolific passer and is defense is on another level. He does all the things necessary for winning...He has it all and will continue to get better.
@@BirdGang6Ace is a one v one iso player when Cooper is a high iq floor general and the NBA is leaning towards high iq players instead one v one iso ball players
Cooper is pro ready. He showed it when he was playing the ball of fame USA team. He was better than some of them and he is 17. Looking forward to seeing Ace play
I don’t think that you can put ace over coop because realistically no matter how good he is there is not anyone currently in hs outside of aj Dybantsa who is skilled enough offensively to become the number one option immediately in the nba. So we will have to see how ace performs in a systems where he is not the number 1 option. Ace is playing for decent mceachern where he can take whatever shot he wants and he is going to play for a rutger team where he will be the number 1 option from day one. Coop has shown us this year and last year he is able to still have a relative impact while not being the number one option on his team. Also cooper is the better defender . Ace is very talented and I don’t know if this is a hot take, but I personally don’t even have him over Dylan Harper who is a big guard who has shown that he can facilitate and lead his team to compete with some of the best in the nation at the city of palms classicz
@@HouseOfHandlesTraining yea. I think that in this class ace is a close second as the best player when everybody is hot. The only reasons he’s second is because when tre Johnson gets hot he might be the best scorer in hs since emoni bates
At rutger he’ll be playing with dylan harper which imo they the top 2 players so ig you’ll see how he’ll play with other top talent there bc they both the first options there equally
Ace does everything better. He has been the best on the floor in every game he played in as well as showcase. He won MVP over Cooper at the Curry camp and on the 16u circuit for EYBL Cooper wasn’t the best 16 year old. Cam Boozer was.
cooper was definitely the best 16 this summer. You could argue he had the greatest hs summer ever. Made it to 16u championship eybl and lost to a team he had beaten before that had more depth. He won the nbpa camp mvp. Also in no way shape or form has ace always been the best player on the court. When Mceachern played Harvard westlake he was the 3rd best player on the court. Ace isn’t a better defender that cooper and he isn’t a better passer than cooper. Also ace still hasn’t shown that he can play off ball while cooper has shown that.
You said Zion (who’s arguably best and most explosive scorer out of number #1 picks) isn’t explosive so your criteria of who’s an explosive scorer who’s not is probably stupid. I love how you don’t talk about of how coop clears him in other aspects like passing, defense, and functioning without the ball, Bailey is nowhere near coop if we’re being real
Can he get to the basket in the regular season and get offensive rebounds? Sure. Can he get down hill in transition? Sure. All that stuff isn’t near as relevant in playoff basketball especially when you’re THE GUY. Which is what we are talking about here. Brandon Ingram takes the last shot for them fam😭😭😭
@@HouseOfHandlesTraininghe’s limited yes but he avg 27 ppg as a 2nd year 20 yr old , and has had other good scoring seasons , and u said Ayton was a good defender ? Are u slow ?
I like Ace's game more as well, but I think the arguments you're making in this video are very flawed. You start off with explosive scorer, and then you proceed to list everyone who is or isn't an explosive scorer in the nba as an example. The issue is we're ranking prospects that haven't touched the nba floor. Obviously, players that can score explosively at the nba level are going to be seen as successful. You listed players like zion and markelle fultz as non-explosive scorers, but they were averaging more in college than players like cade cunningham and anthony edwards. Explosive scoring prospects have been unsuccessful in the nba. Using nba results to gauge nba prospects is just hindsight thinking. If Cooper Flagg ends up averaging more than Ace Bailey in the NBA, are you going to say Flagg was a more explosive scoring prospect? Then you use player comparisons as another factor in gauging prospects. Sure, I'd rather have kevin durant over andrei kirilenko. However, we have no idea how these players will live up to these comparisons. I'd take rich man's kirilenko over dollar store durant any day of the week. There are so many draft comparisons that age so poorly. Giannis had a draft comparison of Evan Turner, and Deandre Ayton had a draft comparison of David Robinson. Flagg could easily surpass Kirilenko, and Bailey could just as easily fall short of Paul George. There's a lot more nuance to evaluating prospects than just player archetypes. Finally, you made an argument using "Aura". This is actually just ridiculous. How are you even defining aura? How much players fear another player? Is it based of confidence? Personality? If it's fear, that can be earned just from scoring a bunch on other teams. If aura can be earned by nba success, then you are once again resorting to hindsight thinking to evaluate prospects. If it's confidence, I don't think either player lacks confidence. If it's personality, I would have to say there are plenty of players that have bland personalities that have found success (Jokic, Kawhi, Tim Duncan, etc.). Using aura before either player has played an NBA minute has to be a terrible metric in prospect evaluation. There are way too many players that can light it up in high school and fall short in the NBA. You should have went further into each player's strengths and weaknesses. You could have said something along the lines of "This move of Flagg will not work in the NBA for this reason, this weakness is a bigger issue, etc." Instead, you went into all this intangible talk, and you end up with 10 minutes of minimal substance.
Think they are pretty similar in upside for their offensive capabilities from what I've seen. Flagg seems to have more defensive upside. He's had several games where he had a triple double with blocks I believe. I don't know though, I think any team that gets either of them will be happy.
Saw him three times on Montverde when he was a 15 year old sophomore against top teams (one game they lost to a Philly team). Cooper was the best defender on the court every quarter of every game, which is why I think he'll have a better career.
I agree college and pro teams will be happy to have Bailey or Flagg. Interesting Cooper's twin brother Ace Flagg is getting attention for D1 colleges due to his rapid improvement.
Great content! Love your passion and don’t disagree with your take. Both these kids are nba talent. There are a lot of factors that make certain teams a better fit for players. As a blazer fan I am leaning towards Cooper but would be ok with Ace. Keep up the good work!
I 💯 percent agree. I dont have a clue why anyone would use a 1st pick in such a talented draft as this! I'm happy. I hope Ace stays at 2nd cause hes coming to the TO Raptors! We trust in Massi and Ace fits with us so well! Its over after that! We gona bring title back home where it belongs! Canada TORONTO
This is cool and all but they draft from college stats and Cooper has shown he can do this stuff against anyone. He's just not a ballhog type of guy. Ace Bailey can get you 40 points but he also has games where he's completely useless not scoring and getting a bunch of turnovers. But either way you've made the argument for better and also talking about the seed. If you think Bailey gets the 1st seed over Flagg? Sure, no issue with that. But who's better? I think Bailey won't have a long promising career if he doesn't fix some huge issues. Flagg is currently NBA ready. He just won't be the main guy getting the buckets as of now. Cooper Flagg might become an AD type of player. He will probably get a little bit taller still, last I checked he's now the same height as Bam Adebayo and Bam is amazing right now. But Flagg his defense is actually amazing. Once he gains some muscles and is done growing I expect him to have a long successful career and him not getting 1st seed won't matter. Cause even though I think Flagg is for sure better, I can totally see him not score that much on this stacked Duke team while Bailey will ball hog and score a lot so yeah he could take that 1st seed.
I love how some idiot saids Coop can’t drop 50 why because he’s not a ball hog I hate when people think they know how to grade players how many 50 point games did Jordan have before he made the NBA
This guy Ace Baily is the real deal I thought I would never see another magic Johnson type player handling the basketball like Magic at 6 9 like Ace Baily is that dude and to top it off in my wildest dreams I never thought I would see another player like the late great Len Bias and for the first time in my life I see Len Bias again I never have compared anyone To Magic Johnson but Ace is that guy I will compare too him and to top it off he moves and glide through the air with ease and power like the late great Len Bias this is truly unbelievable 2 legends he reminds me of this guy Ace Baily is the best young player I have ever seen he reminds me of a young Micheal Jordan in college with the fear factor other player have for him and t his desire to win to be honest from what I have seen of him he is more exciting to watch than most all the player in the NBA he's high flying exciting handle the ball like magic moves and dunks with grace and power explosive off the floor and can shoot lights out there is no comparison
* I do think, after reading this 2024 sport's history of Ace Bailey, the word "overrated" may soon come to pass? ;) Jacob Wilkins, a four-star wing committed to Georgia, posted 12 points and a dozen rebounds for Grayson, according to the Atlanta-Journal Constitution. He led the charge on the glass, as Grayson outrebounded McEachern 47-27. As important as the rebounding was 6-foot-2 guard Anthony Alston’s defense on Bailey, a 6-foot-8 wing committed to Rutgers. Bailey scored 14 in the first half before Alston told Grayson head coach Geoffrey Pierce to let him go one-on-one for defense instead of zone, according to the AJC. “Alston was the defensive player in our region this year for a reason,” Pierce said to the outlet. “He’s one of the best defenders I’ve ever coached. He came to me at halftime and said, ‘Don’t go zone anymore. I’ve got him.’ So, hats off to him for that.” Thanks to Alston’s physical defense, Bailey scored only four points in the second half.
I think it’s closer than what ppl think but Cooper has a high ceiling as well, when you talk about AK47, Matrix and Gordon I think his ceiling is higher. He has a good feel for the game, and he has the size and fluidity to develop offensively, couple that with what he brings defensively and you’ve got an all star. Ace is a beast tho, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he did end up being the best of this class
Really great analysis bro you bodied this just subbed I Agree I love cooper as a prospect but I agree ACE is better . The game is about a bucket and although he’s not as a good of defender as cooper he still has height length & athleticism on his side he could get better and be an effective defender. Cooper defensively versatility is insane tho and if he takes a leap offensively he still could out race ACE
Coop reminds me of Andre Kirilenko.. versatile on both ends of the court and can shoot 3 (though Andre was more aggressive in my opinion). Very talented indeed but at this point, Coop still has to improve to show he can be a franchise player. If he really gets to be drafted #1, hopefully he has significantly developed by then as a more aggressive and strong leader.. he's seems to be a nice kid, we don't want him to be in those draft bust lists.
5:30 Wtf are you talking about? Zion just dropped 40 on the Lakers in a play-in game 😭 Scoring issues. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you cause I'm confused.
@@HouseOfHandlesTraining no problem bro jus keep up the good work this channel is one of the best I’ve come across no cap you’ll be on top of the sports broadcasting news in no time
5:30 this point makes zero sense, Zion's issues have literally all been due to weight issues not "scoring issues", he's had a better scoring output than several guys you went on to list, Zion was giving you an incredibly efficient 27 in year 2 and was getting all nba shouts. the fear factor perspective you went on to talk about also makes no sense it was basically "these nba busts weren't good in the NBA so they weren't feared but these guys are good players so they are feared". I can see Ace being the better prospect but some very iffy talking points in this vid no disrespect.
Yeah cooper has to learn to play at different speeds. He takes some bad shots because he is going hard all the time. If he can slow it down at the right times and get smooth , hes gonna start hitting more shots.
The ceiling of Ace Bailey is higher becasue he can do all the KD/PG/TMAC offense at that ceiling. But if ends up being like a 37% three point shooter, his game impact drastically goes down. If Flagg is a 37% 3pt shooter I still think he is an allnba level player. In the nba truly there are only about 10 guys who are the top of the top of leading an offense. If your best on ball creator isnt in that top 10 your team isnt good. Everybody can use a Flagg type. Not everybody can use a Bailey type.
if you out them together i think ace would be jordan to flags pippen. i think they both will be superstars. they will be opps for there whole career. lebron vs melo wemby vs chet ace vs cooper type of thing.
I just tapped into HS Bball today, i watched a 1-25 highlight mix, Cooper was understandably #1 until #2 showed up. Ace is just a better version of Cooper.
ace doesnt have any motor in defense, he has a bad stance he bets at the Time to steal and sometimes he forgets his man in defense,sure we could argue about offense but ccoper was doing all his numbers in eybl while lockin niggas in the perimeter and blocking shots
where your wrong is saying coop is a glorified role player. He definintly takes the back seat to his teamates sometimes and his coach has him playing more of abig, but when he played eybl against great vcomp like the boozer twins in 16u, which is how old he is so he should have been there, i know in your video you where wondering about that, but he played with his age group. people like dybantsta are actully older than him playing in younger grades so it makes it seem more than it is. when coop played aau he was the man. He did everything even though he messed up and took bad shots sometimes. hes also the best devensive player in high school and probably college as well. Ace plays soft on defense and stands strait up. Coop is also bigger and more phyiscall. They can both get ot the rim though coops more advanced in the post, and ace can shoot it a little better. time will tell who ends up best.
VJ EDGECOMBE No. 6 overall rank H.S player is the best player in High School, He is the next great one. Anthony Edwards is his NBA comparison, but I think he is ahead of Antman. Some compare him to Jalen Green. That is setting the bar too low for me.
I’m a huge Rutgers MBB fan and have been on Ace since he committed. I obviously agree he’s a better prospect than Cooper. I do think it’s close however since Cooper is a year younger already has a bigger frame than Ace.
That player comparion chart was definitely bullshit 😭 check the comps next offseason when these dudes become serious but overall Coop is just gonna translate to the NBA better because he plays defense you're not really gonna struggle adding him to your lineups he has a higher floor than Bailey so I think he'll go #1 But it also depends with the team that has the pick like I'd expect the Nets to go with Flagg because of his higher floor and defensive versatility while I'd expect Detroit or Washington to go Bailey because they'd want to add a scoring punch to their team.
Cooper's game is better suited for winning basketball. He's unselfish and a team player. Ace is a better shooter but that's about it. The NBA is going the way of the point center and point forward and away from one-on-one scoring.
It’s crazy how he didn’t say lebron he picking and choosing who he name Zion is doing good in the nba 25 on 60% shooting for a Career is not good is crazy to me
I don't even watch/care about basketball, but the way you make your videos had me hooked all the way through. Well done man, very informative!
Bro this means so much!! Thank you
coop is supposed to be c/o 25 but he’s he classed up and is still no.1 and I’ve watched ace play live hes a star but he’s takes breaks defensively and takes bad shots thats why i got coop at 1
Yeah Coop is the best two way player I’ve seen in years, people get enamored with the high volume shot creators and think that’s the only part of basketball
@@MaximusR93you have never watched basketball
Coop also takes bad shots and doesn't have half of the offensive potential.
Defensive intensity and shot selection come with time and experience, aces shot creation is nearly impossible to teach
I got Johnson at 1
put ace on a team like montverde full of other five stars and you'll see he's not #1. i dont think he'd know what to do on a team like that where there's not one star, where they play team basketball. it would be a wake up call for sure.
I see where you’re coming from
Nahhh fam, you're wrong. I'll take shooting over hustle any day.
@andrewbaileyMKU All y’all fans care about is that bag talk basketball. If somebody got a tween tween hesi and take tough shots, then that’s the end all be all.
Cooper is better, miss me with that bag talk bball
@@HouseOfHandlesTrainingthat makes no sense. Cooper flag has zero and I mean zero creativity. He barely scores and is not seen as a threat. If he was the focus of the opponents defense he would not scire
@@anthonycelestin3559white people are delusional
I would say coop was the best player up until last summer. He went the position-less route and now he’s a number 2 option. I can see a Franz Wagner role maybe a taller Mikal Bridges, Jeremy Grant but definitely not a number one option. Ace is the best scorer in HS basketball. Jason Tatum or PG type of game but hopefully with a killer mentality. I can see either of them going no.1 I like aces game more but coop probably translates easier to the NBA
Cooper is on the best team in the nation and is the best player on that team. Cooper Flagg is also younger
Ace Bailey birth date is around the end of Aug. 2024 he will be 18 years old. Cooper Flagg Dec 21st 2024 will turn 18yrs old as well.
august 13th@@jakewillis1124
@@cameronbolden5064He's talking about as an NBA #1 option. It's more likely Flagg turns into an Evan Mobley than a Kevin Garnett. Just an elite defender who is inconsistent offensively. In the NBA your team finna trade for a Donovan Mitchell or Damian Lillard to account for the production making you a #2. A true number 2 on a championship level team isn't the best option but that wouldn't be bad as a top 5 pick
@@BigBroKuma NBA scoring goes down... If Flagg can be a 20 point guy with elite defense that's way better than a 28ppg chucker who has games where he shoots his team out of the game.
But either way, college will tell us more. Cooper Flagg just did really well against actual elite NBA players. Doing really well vs Bam Adebayo.
bro your channel is going to explode with subs...I know it, I've seen this talent before with people going from 1k subs to 500k in due time....the branding, style of delivery, pace, editing etc is on point and caters to a huge demographic. Stay consistent producing content and youtube will push you more in the algos to be seen by a broad audience.
I needed this bro! I got you
He’s definitely doing good work
This is why he was making this video.without knowing much about basketball 😂
these comments have to be fake. youtube is 50% bots
When I see mfs say sht like, Cooper's bball IQ is better than Ace's, i already know why they truly like Cooper over Ace. The fact is, Ace is a far superior athlete compared to Cooper, has better footwork, better shooting/shooting form, is more fluid, better handles, and just has that determination in him. Ace has good court vision, makes the right and timely passes but also knows when he needs to take over. Defensively, Ace tends to take breaks on defense but, when he's locked in, it's over for the opponent. These two should have never been compared to one another, Ace is just that much better!
White boys be so sensitive
Lol this aged horribly. See what the other actual pros are saying from that team USA run. Im assuming cooper can take over a highschool game by strictly scoring, but instead allows the game ta come ta him and takes wut the defense gives and is an outstanding passer n defender. How many black dudes have been #1 picks? Dam near every year.. it plays no part teams want the best player. Cooper is jus better, sincerely - a black man
Just came across your page and dig it. Only critique is the music volume on the video. THe breakdown of both players was spot on. Been watching both for a few years and the feeling I have is that Ace will be a better pro. Cooper is certainly getting so much pub and with his going to Duke, that will add to it.
I think you are absolutely correct in your assessment at this point in time. A LOT depends on how HUNGRY Cooper is when NBA time comes. College will hone his skills greatly and give him the basic tools for the NBA. However, Hunger in his belly to start or even get game playing time will depend on if he rises to the occasion to play with and against the best of the best of the best in the world or will he get in his own way in his head and Wilt like a wall flower? Thousands before him did exactly that. Wilted. Were sent to G-League to get their Shirt😜 together to come back up and just never did. Of course I want ALL these young men to succeed but the reality is there. It can't be ignored. Personally, I think the kid should immediately be mentored by White Chocolate and run with him and his pickup team over summers and school breaks. He doesn't need anymore basketball summer camps, college ball will take care of his skills, but Jason Williams can definitely put this kid in the right mindset & reality of college and early start to NBA days😎👍🏾🏀
By rating Ace Bailey above Cooper Flagg, you've highlighted all that is wrong with the current NBA, and the current basketball fan. This obsession with hero ball, and scoring. Basketball should be a team game, played at both ends of the court, and Cooper's all round game is far superior to that of Bailey; but all anybody cares about nowadays is highlight reel buckets. The game is gone.
Hero ball is what made us fall in love with Basketball, Kobe, Tmac, AI, Shaq, MJ, Wade, ... Even though, defense is very important too.
At the end of the day basketball is about putting the ball in the hoop aka getting buckets
@@davidpark2509it’s about so much more than that. You also want to stop the other guy from putting the ball in the basket. Yall just want to see tween tween step back shit lmao
@@davidpark2509Defense matters in the NBA. Ace Bailey is faaar better than Flagg offensively but Flagg adds defense which we especially saw in the playoffs this year with more physicality being allowed. It's like the argument between James Harden and D-Wade. James is better than Wade offensively he's a better shooter and the offense in Houston was built to support his playstyle and produce monster numbers. But Wade is a better defender. That's why the Hawks struggle despite Trae Young being so good cause he is a below average defender even though he has gotten a little better. In highschool defense definitely doesn't matter but in the NBA it matters if you're trying to actually win games. Or he has to become a ridiculous Dame or Curry level scorer and even they are super active with their hands although part of the Bucks troubles this year was Dame being trash at defense.
I get your point and I'm very high on Flagg but "all around" guys are rarely franchise savers, you have to be dominant on at least one end of the court to change the trajectory of a franchise. I don't yet have a final verdict on Flagg's ceiling as a lot will be revealed facing elite competition at Duke and more parity in talent in the ACC...
Im sorry this is a bad take. Cooper doesn’t need to do that on his current team hs playing a role like Cade Rj Simmons Joel and all the Montevere guys have done before. Cooper in he eybl had multiple 30 pts games as had a eybl scoring record with 52 and 7 blocks when his team needed him to score.
All good no need to be sorry bro
He was also playing against a bunch of 16 year old kids. He should have been playing against kids his age.
Great take on Cooper
Keep it up fam....great and pro level breakdown...your channel is about to blow up!!
Bro THANK YOU!!
Both great. Either one could go #1. It’ll be up to their 1 & done college seasons
cooper flagg is a generational talent and a lock for #1 pick
praying my spurs get him and we have a dynasty
I seen Ace score 30 with less than 15 dribbles in the entire game. He’s super nice
He’s always been better, from day 1, just not noticed
Facts
In my opinion that’s just not true especially when you look at the type of competition there playing
@@evo8150ace Bailey is way better then cooper
@@flyingdawsonyoutubehe is and it hilarious most people who vote on the polls haven’t saw either play and jus sayin Cooper because they have saw more highlight reels and paying attention to media hype , Ace is better .
@@flyingdawsonyoutube Way better? "Way"? Come on bruh. Cooper is an elite defender.
I think development is key for both.
Flagg will be a better IQ player all round (playmaker) (lebron,magic)
Bailey will be a better scorer/bucket getter (kd, Tracy)
Seen Ace play in GA for the last 3 years. Also had the opportunity to see Cooper play 3-4 games on the EYBL circuit. Ace is better. It’s not even close.
Footwork. Perimeter shooting. Speed. Motor. Handle. And defense. The main credit that Cooper receives is his defense but I have seen Ace lockdown on all three levels.
Ace was the best in the country last year as a junior
Couldn’t agree more. It’s not close at all. Ace is POLISHED. Cooper has work to do if he wants to be a franchise carrier
Lmao you really said defense and motor as reasons why Ace is better
@@MaximusR93 you’re three comments deep and still barking about a opinion you share
These comments didn't age well. Cooper did very well playing with the team USA veterans a few days ago. Who will be better? Hard to say but Coop can play NBA level. We already seen that.
Coop betta he’s a 2 way player way better defense to that’s were I give the edge
After Flagg's sophomore year, there was only a moderate amount of excitement about him. He was not a focal point of the Monteverde offense, and only averaged 9 points a game. He played within the system and let older players get a good deal of the spotlight. Then in his first game of the off-season, he broke the national EYBL scoring record by putting up 52 points. He continued to dominate the entire summer as the focal point of the Maine offense becoming the consensus #1 player in the country. After skipping his junior year and reclassifying as a senior, he's back playing with 4 fellow 5-star players in the starting unit at Monteverde. He's putting up very good stats, but is sharing the spotlight on the #1 team in the country without a hint of jealousy. I think Cooper needs to tighten up his handle and the mechanics of his jump shot could use some improving. However, I also think that if Cooper and Bailey would switch teams, Coopers stats, like they were this summer, would be far higher, while Ace's stats would be considerably lower.
And simply Cooper plays defense on a nother level. Ace plays defense like a lot of offensively minded stars, at least from what I've seen. Cooper I've seen live a number of times so I may be biased, but his defense was all-NBA level.
Cooper has zero creativity. He’s a role player on a good team.
You have to be joking. Good one.
@@davruck1 Tim Duncan had zero creativity, to name one of many.
I'll go with Cooper Flagg. He is a prolific passer and is defense is on another level. He does all the things necessary for winning...He has it all and will continue to get better.
But Ace is significantly better on the defensive end than Cooper is lol
Bro what
@@BirdGang6Ace is a one v one iso player when Cooper is a high iq floor general and the NBA is leaning towards high iq players instead one v one iso ball players
He dominated Peach Jam with Team Maine. Please tell me how many super stars on that team.
He was also playing in the U16 circuit when he should have been in the U17 circuit.
Cooper is pro ready. He showed it when he was playing the ball of fame USA team. He was better than some of them and he is 17. Looking forward to seeing Ace play
Rocked it against superstars 🤩
Fearless
I don’t think that you can put ace over coop because realistically no matter how good he is there is not anyone currently in hs outside of aj Dybantsa who is skilled enough offensively to become the number one option immediately in the nba. So we will have to see how ace performs in a systems where he is not the number 1 option. Ace is playing for decent mceachern where he can take whatever shot he wants and he is going to play for a rutger team where he will be the number 1 option from day one. Coop has shown us this year and last year he is able to still have a relative impact while not being the number one option on his team. Also cooper is the better defender . Ace is very talented and I don’t know if this is a hot take, but I personally don’t even have him over Dylan Harper who is a big guard who has shown that he can facilitate and lead his team to compete with some of the best in the nation at the city of palms classicz
No no this whole take is totally reasonable. Parts of me agree and definitely see where you’re coming from
@@HouseOfHandlesTraining yea. I think that in this class ace is a close second as the best player when everybody is hot. The only reasons he’s second is because when tre Johnson gets hot he might be the best scorer in hs since emoni bates
At rutger he’ll be playing with dylan harper which imo they the top 2 players so ig you’ll see how he’ll play with other top talent there bc they both the first options there equally
Ace does everything better. He has been the best on the floor in every game he played in as well as showcase.
He won MVP over Cooper at the Curry camp and on the 16u circuit for EYBL Cooper wasn’t the best 16 year old. Cam Boozer was.
cooper was definitely the best 16 this summer. You could argue he had the greatest hs summer ever. Made it to 16u championship eybl and lost to a team he had beaten before that had more depth. He won the nbpa camp mvp. Also in no way shape or form has ace always been the best player on the court. When Mceachern played Harvard westlake he was the 3rd best player on the court. Ace isn’t a better defender that cooper and he isn’t a better passer than cooper. Also ace still hasn’t shown that he can play off ball while cooper has shown that.
You said Zion (who’s arguably best and most explosive scorer out of number #1 picks) isn’t explosive so your criteria of who’s an explosive scorer who’s not is probably stupid. I love how you don’t talk about of how coop clears him in other aspects like passing, defense, and functioning without the ball, Bailey is nowhere near coop if we’re being real
Bro said Zion has scoring issues yet he averages 22 ppg in 30 minutes shooting 58%
Can he get to the basket in the regular season and get offensive rebounds? Sure. Can he get down hill in transition? Sure. All that stuff isn’t near as relevant in playoff basketball especially when you’re THE GUY. Which is what we are talking about here. Brandon Ingram takes the last shot for them fam😭😭😭
giannis dont even take the last shot.. simple , you can be an elite scorer if you a big without shooting and still be a franchise player..
@@HouseOfHandlesTraininghe’s limited yes but he avg 27 ppg as a 2nd year 20 yr old , and has had other good scoring seasons , and u said Ayton was a good defender ? Are u slow ?
I like Ace's game more as well, but I think the arguments you're making in this video are very flawed.
You start off with explosive scorer, and then you proceed to list everyone who is or isn't an explosive scorer in the nba as an example. The issue is we're ranking prospects that haven't touched the nba floor. Obviously, players that can score explosively at the nba level are going to be seen as successful. You listed players like zion and markelle fultz as non-explosive scorers, but they were averaging more in college than players like cade cunningham and anthony edwards. Explosive scoring prospects have been unsuccessful in the nba. Using nba results to gauge nba prospects is just hindsight thinking. If Cooper Flagg ends up averaging more than Ace Bailey in the NBA, are you going to say Flagg was a more explosive scoring prospect?
Then you use player comparisons as another factor in gauging prospects. Sure, I'd rather have kevin durant over andrei kirilenko. However, we have no idea how these players will live up to these comparisons. I'd take rich man's kirilenko over dollar store durant any day of the week. There are so many draft comparisons that age so poorly. Giannis had a draft comparison of Evan Turner, and Deandre Ayton had a draft comparison of David Robinson. Flagg could easily surpass Kirilenko, and Bailey could just as easily fall short of Paul George. There's a lot more nuance to evaluating prospects than just player archetypes.
Finally, you made an argument using "Aura". This is actually just ridiculous. How are you even defining aura? How much players fear another player? Is it based of confidence? Personality? If it's fear, that can be earned just from scoring a bunch on other teams. If aura can be earned by nba success, then you are once again resorting to hindsight thinking to evaluate prospects. If it's confidence, I don't think either player lacks confidence. If it's personality, I would have to say there are plenty of players that have bland personalities that have found success (Jokic, Kawhi, Tim Duncan, etc.). Using aura before either player has played an NBA minute has to be a terrible metric in prospect evaluation. There are way too many players that can light it up in high school and fall short in the NBA.
You should have went further into each player's strengths and weaknesses. You could have said something along the lines of "This move of Flagg will not work in the NBA for this reason, this weakness is a bigger issue, etc." Instead, you went into all this intangible talk, and you end up with 10 minutes of minimal substance.
If my Wizards could draft either one of these guys, I would lose my mind. Maybe we will become relevant for the first time in 40 years 😅
Think they are pretty similar in upside for their offensive capabilities from what I've seen. Flagg seems to have more defensive upside. He's had several games where he had a triple double with blocks I believe. I don't know though, I think any team that gets either of them will be happy.
Saw him three times on Montverde when he was a 15 year old sophomore against top teams (one game they lost to a Philly team). Cooper was the best defender on the court every quarter of every game, which is why I think he'll have a better career.
I agree college and pro teams will be happy to have Bailey or Flagg. Interesting Cooper's twin brother Ace Flagg is getting attention for D1 colleges due to his rapid improvement.
Great content! Love your passion and don’t disagree with your take. Both these kids are nba talent. There are a lot of factors that make certain teams a better fit for players. As a blazer fan I am leaning towards Cooper but would be ok with Ace. Keep up the good work!
My Man...great breakdown!!! you seem to be a ball junkie! Got my support
Basketball IQ i take Cooper
Ace was on a whole other level at my school as a freshmen he's always been a dawg i've seen him play in person
do more draft videos plss escpecially on khaman malauch. What is the percentage for ace and/or flagg become superstars?
For sure bro I got you!! Hard to say %. I think Bailey is more likely, but I bet Flagg is an all star level player
its too early to compare them if we choosing them of whos gonna be more NBA superstar in the future
I 💯 percent agree.
I dont have a clue why anyone would use a 1st pick in such a talented draft as this!
I'm happy.
I hope Ace stays at 2nd cause hes coming to the TO Raptors!
We trust in Massi and Ace fits with us so well!
Its over after that!
We gona bring title back home where it belongs!
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Coooper will be way better huh ?
This is cool and all but they draft from college stats and Cooper has shown he can do this stuff against anyone. He's just not a ballhog type of guy. Ace Bailey can get you 40 points but he also has games where he's completely useless not scoring and getting a bunch of turnovers.
But either way you've made the argument for better and also talking about the seed. If you think Bailey gets the 1st seed over Flagg? Sure, no issue with that. But who's better? I think Bailey won't have a long promising career if he doesn't fix some huge issues. Flagg is currently NBA ready. He just won't be the main guy getting the buckets as of now.
Cooper Flagg might become an AD type of player. He will probably get a little bit taller still, last I checked he's now the same height as Bam Adebayo and Bam is amazing right now. But Flagg his defense is actually amazing. Once he gains some muscles and is done growing I expect him to have a long successful career and him not getting 1st seed won't matter.
Cause even though I think Flagg is for sure better, I can totally see him not score that much on this stacked Duke team while Bailey will ball hog and score a lot so yeah he could take that 1st seed.
Great hot take
Great quality video
But I still disagree
I can say you earned a sub tho😂
I love how some idiot saids Coop can’t drop 50 why because he’s not a ball hog I hate when people think they know how to grade players how many 50 point games did Jordan have before he made the NBA
i've watched Cooper a lot lately and he doesn't need to score 50 points to be an all nba player he does what he need to for his team to win
This guy Ace Baily is the real deal I thought I would never see another magic Johnson type player handling the basketball like Magic at 6 9 like Ace Baily is that dude and to top it off in my wildest dreams I never thought I would see another player like the late great Len Bias and for the first time in my life I see Len Bias again I never have compared anyone To Magic Johnson but Ace is that guy I will compare too him and to top it off he moves and glide through the air with ease and power like the late great Len Bias this is truly unbelievable 2 legends he reminds me of this guy Ace Baily is the best young player I have ever seen he reminds me of a young Micheal Jordan in college with the fear factor other player have for him and t his desire to win to be honest from what I have seen of him he is more exciting to watch than most all the player in the NBA he's high flying exciting handle the ball like magic moves and dunks with grace and power explosive off the floor and can shoot lights out there is no comparison
This was a great video great research and we that know ball agree
All I know is I’m happy someone said it 🤞🏾 shoutout to my Alma mater for grabbing up some 5 stars finally
Cooper just rocked USA basketball team in Vegas 😊
* I do think, after reading this 2024 sport's history of Ace Bailey, the word "overrated" may soon come to pass? ;)
Jacob Wilkins, a four-star wing committed to Georgia, posted 12 points and a dozen rebounds for Grayson, according to the Atlanta-Journal Constitution. He led the charge on the glass, as Grayson outrebounded McEachern 47-27.
As important as the rebounding was 6-foot-2 guard Anthony Alston’s defense on Bailey, a 6-foot-8 wing committed to Rutgers. Bailey scored 14 in the first half before Alston told Grayson head coach Geoffrey Pierce to let him go one-on-one for defense instead of zone, according to the AJC.
“Alston was the defensive player in our region this year for a reason,” Pierce said to the outlet. “He’s one of the best defenders I’ve ever coached. He came to me at halftime and said, ‘Don’t go zone anymore. I’ve got him.’ So, hats off to him for that.”
Thanks to Alston’s physical defense, Bailey scored only four points in the second half.
I think it’s closer than what ppl think but Cooper has a high ceiling as well, when you talk about AK47, Matrix and Gordon I think his ceiling is higher. He has a good feel for the game, and he has the size and fluidity to develop offensively, couple that with what he brings defensively and you’ve got an all star. Ace is a beast tho, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he did end up being the best of this class
Really great analysis bro you bodied this just subbed I Agree I love cooper as a prospect but I agree ACE is better . The game is about a bucket and although he’s not as a good of defender as cooper he still has height length & athleticism on his side he could get better and be an effective defender. Cooper defensively versatility is insane tho and if he takes a leap offensively he still could out race ACE
Coop reminds me of Andre Kirilenko.. versatile on both ends of the court and can shoot 3 (though Andre was more aggressive in my opinion). Very talented indeed but at this point, Coop still has to improve to show he can be a franchise player. If he really gets to be drafted #1, hopefully he has significantly developed by then as a more aggressive and strong leader.. he's seems to be a nice kid, we don't want him to be in those draft bust lists.
He’s more of LeBron than Kirilenko
5:30 Wtf are you talking about? Zion just dropped 40 on the Lakers in a play-in game 😭 Scoring issues. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you cause I'm confused.
He played great against team usa
I respect this guy so much I’m subscribing right now a white non bias RUclipsr speaking straight facts
Ayeee appreciate you❤️
@@HouseOfHandlesTraining no problem bro jus keep up the good work this channel is one of the best I’ve come across no cap you’ll be on top of the sports broadcasting news in no time
One’s a better scorer one is a better all around player both great prospects and either would have went number one in this year’s draft
5:30 this point makes zero sense, Zion's issues have literally all been due to weight issues not "scoring issues", he's had a better scoring output than several guys you went on to list, Zion was giving you an incredibly efficient 27 in year 2 and was getting all nba shouts. the fear factor perspective you went on to talk about also makes no sense it was basically "these nba busts weren't good in the NBA so they weren't feared but these guys are good players so they are feared". I can see Ace being the better prospect but some very iffy talking points in this vid no disrespect.
Man I'll work for the illuminati to get this kid Ace Bailey on the Blazers. 😂
a role player/glue guy who is all nba? pick one.
Was wth you until you mentioned Zion. He has the highest PPG average on that list. What do you mean by scoring issues.
Yeah cooper has to learn to play at different speeds. He takes some bad shots because he is going hard all the time. If he can slow it down at the right times and get smooth , hes gonna start hitting more shots.
The ceiling of Ace Bailey is higher becasue he can do all the KD/PG/TMAC offense at that ceiling. But if ends up being like a 37% three point shooter, his game impact drastically goes down. If Flagg is a 37% 3pt shooter I still think he is an allnba level player. In the nba truly there are only about 10 guys who are the top of the top of leading an offense. If your best on ball creator isnt in that top 10 your team isnt good. Everybody can use a Flagg type. Not everybody can use a Bailey type.
Ace Bailey, Welcome to the Detroit Pistons.
I want to know the IQ part
You convinced me completely
Is it any possible that you can scout my game? I'm a european player trying to get better at my game. I can pay you
Yeah man sure! You can dm on instagram @jordanwalton11
Isaac Okoro went to Mceachren also
I also think Ace will be more like a franchise player. If I got #1 pick I will choose Ace.
thank you for the breakdown but i was just wandering who you think should be an all star
The not Cooper kid.
If we talking about scoring Gils arenas son is league bound. Bro is a scoring machine
Comparing Flagg to Gordon Haywood is insane. Who ever said that should lose their job.
Coop is more versatile and nba ready right now but Ace is the future he reminds me of Paul George Rudy Gay
if you out them together i think ace would be jordan to flags pippen. i think they both will be superstars. they will be opps for there whole career. lebron vs melo wemby vs chet ace vs cooper type of thing.
Are stupid of course he has to play a role he is playing with top ten players in the country if ace played at montverde it would be the same in
I just tapped into HS Bball today, i watched a 1-25 highlight mix, Cooper was understandably #1 until #2 showed up. Ace is just a better version of Cooper.
ace doesnt have any motor in defense, he has a bad stance he bets at the Time to steal and sometimes he forgets his man in defense,sure we could argue about offense but ccoper was doing all his numbers in eybl while lockin niggas in the perimeter and blocking shots
Ppl seem to forget he was the starting center for team USA u17 at 15
Kawhi wasn’t a top pick but is a franchise player cupp could be the same type of player
where your wrong is saying coop is a glorified role player. He definintly takes the back seat to his teamates sometimes and his coach has him playing more of abig, but when he played eybl against great vcomp like the boozer twins in 16u, which is how old he is so he should have been there, i know in your video you where wondering about that, but he played with his age group. people like dybantsta are actully older than him playing in younger grades so it makes it seem more than it is. when coop played aau he was the man. He did everything even though he messed up and took bad shots sometimes. hes also the best devensive player in high school and probably college as well. Ace plays soft on defense and stands strait up. Coop is also bigger and more phyiscall. They can both get ot the rim though coops more advanced in the post, and ace can shoot it a little better. time will tell who ends up best.
You cookin
Spooky black talking hoops now 😂
All facts
this is how you end up with jalen green on your team with the number 2 pick instead of evan mobley or scottie barnes
Player 2 better
I agree 💯 hope my grizz get ace🤞and can you make a vid on GG Jackson ||
Cooper is Andrew kirilenko with more offense
More polished and skilled and Andre by far...
cooper like 22p 5a 9r - ace like 27p 3a 5r
People fear Edey and Ja and JJJ
Seen Ac played ten times in person the guy can shoot the ball.
I'd still take Copper all day
VJ EDGECOMBE No. 6 overall rank H.S player is the best player in High School, He is the next great one. Anthony Edwards is his NBA comparison, but I think he is ahead of Antman. Some compare him to Jalen Green. That is setting the bar too low for me.
I’m a huge Rutgers MBB fan and have been on Ace since he committed. I obviously agree he’s a better prospect than Cooper. I do think it’s close however since Cooper is a year younger already has a bigger frame than Ace.
That player comparion chart was definitely bullshit 😭 check the comps next offseason when these dudes become serious but overall Coop is just gonna translate to the NBA better because he plays defense you're not really gonna struggle adding him to your lineups he has a higher floor than Bailey so I think he'll go #1 But it also depends with the team that has the pick like I'd expect the Nets to go with Flagg because of his higher floor and defensive versatility while I'd expect Detroit or Washington to go Bailey because they'd want to add a scoring punch to their team.
Cooper will struggle in the NBA if his offense doesn't improve.. McNeilly on MV has a better skill set offensively for the NBA than cooper does
Completely agree. Tall catch and shoot guys, almost for sure can fit anywhere
Ain’t no way people compared Shawn Merion and AK-47 to Cooper Flagg…
Cooper's game is better suited for winning basketball. He's unselfish and a team player. Ace is a better shooter but that's about it. The NBA is going the way of the point center and point forward and away from one-on-one scoring.
1 of my coworkers haa been talking about Bailey for momths
Copper carried his Maine team all by himself
"I promise i mean no disrespect to Cooper Flagg". Proceeds to disrepect him for the next 10 mins 😂😂😂
Cooper is better and hes proving it and will continue too
Another prospect you gotta look at is vj edgecomb he’s gonna be a problem and he was cooking pro players at 18
Been sayin this since December. Ace is on an entire different level!
It’s crazy how he didn’t say lebron he picking and choosing who he name Zion is doing good in the nba 25 on 60% shooting for a Career is not good is crazy to me
I seen cooper play in person and I was disappointed as a true hooper