@@bradboyd8143 thanks! I’ll have more things on deck about brewing on different machines and tech looks at random gear that comes through our workshop!
Those are two totally and completely different machines! The Slayer Espresso single pre-infuses water at incredibly slow rates allowing for an extremely find grind and and exploration of a totally different kind. The Steam Single is a restricted pre-wet, but not nearly as slow a the Espresso. The steam is volumetric too, and has a reservoir so it is approachable to a broader audience. I could totally do a comparison video, but it would be like a Mustang vs Tacoma type comparison. Different tools for different needs!
My only issue are dependability. I keep going back to the GS3 paddle and to me it would be a no brainer if the gs3 map had similar functionality. just heard so many small coffee shops complaining about the dependability and maintaining the slayer. A high end machine for home use should not need to be serviced every three , that’s crazy for a high end home machine. Just my thoughts . Just doing my research. Great video
@@timothywargo3530 thanks Tim! So there is still an old guard that remembers the early days of Slayer. They were a small company, and had many variants in their machines as they developed, learned, and improved. It could be frustrating back then. The post-Cimbali Slayer is a well oiled machine. From a tech standpoint, these are built REALLY well, and parts/support are incredible. We have a 1g Espresso in our workshop, and we have only changed the portafilter gasket and the safety valve in 18 months. Safety valve should be done every year no matter what. GS3 is also a great machine. The big difference is in the brew pathways and capabilities and which interface and features you prefer.
Great, this is the video that shows the most internal structures. From an engineering perspective, the design architecture is reasonable, but the cold water pipes and joints use a lot of plastic materials, and their service life may not be as durable as traditional copper materials in high temperature environments. On the other hand, it is indeed much easier to replace and maintain. Another confusing thing is that the water pump and the circuit are not strictly isolated, but placed in a cavity. Once the pipe joint is broken, the damage to the circuit board and power box will be a bit serious.
Both great points. For a machine like this in a more commercial setting, I would 100% replace the push-fit tubing with my "heavy" annual maintenance. Just cheap insurance for peace of mind. You did note that it was all on the cold-water hydraulic path, so good eye. There is only one instance of hot water being introduced into the plastic tubing, and that is from the steam boiler to the blending valve for the hot water dispenser. At minimum, that one should be replaced as part of maintenance. From the water pump side of things, the mounting wall of the electronics is lower than the pump. The only part that is directly at risk of a perforation in the water circuit is the capacitor. The rest technically could get wet, but it would have to be one hell of a leak for a real long time. I'd hope we got the service call before that happens.
I can't comment on the engineering or the components. I'm not an engineer. What I can tell you as a coffee professional is that this machine absolutely meets the criteria as an absolute beast. The frame and foundation are really robust. The boilers are over engineered. The electronics are well thought out and labeled. I've seen a LOT of commercial machines using the same type of components you are concerned about. Rancilio, Simonelli (yes, their high-end models too). While I love the idea of copper and brass everywhere, this machine in no way feels like corners were cut. Much much much easier to work on as well. Replacement of a pipe won't require 4-6 complicated bends to complete the job. Two push fit connects are OK in my book.
Functionally, no other home machine is competing with the quality and feature set. Some have good quality, but none have the features and build quality of this Steam.
@@InvokeCoffeeTech thanks for the assessment. I will Have to look at the GS3 again or the Strada which is way to expensive, but I think Everything is cooper. I could Be wrong.
@@timothywargo3530 gs3 & Strada x are both copper. The GS3 will not perform the same. Still a good machine, different capability. Both are also more challenging to work on from a tech perspective. And all that copper is custom bent and brazed. Not something common to pick up at a hardware store. Big risk of big downtime if a repair ends up needing a new tube. Back orders are a real thing, and happen with random parts. Work those into your calculations too. I’ve had a GS3 on my work bench for months waiting on a tube before. It’s not fun.
@@InvokeCoffeeTech would it be possible to call you . I am Stuck between the gs3 and slayer steam. Really have questions on the builds that no one can seem to or want to discuss.
Hey Michael, pre infusion in manual is as long as you'd like. If you are using "automatic" (ie: volumetric), you are limited to a 60s pre infusion. So basically endless pre infusion. Just tested it out and confirmed for you!
I just dug into the menu settings. You can go as long as 60s for programmed shots, or in manual the machine keeps going until you change to full infusion position. The LP model is limited to 10s, this one has less restrictions. Perhaps a firmware update will also allow the LP to have unlimited pre? I've never personally felt limited by 10s even on the full size LP.
No issues at all. I keep priority on the brew tank, but the steam boiler is really big for this sized machine. Once the whole machine is up to temp, it works with a PID controller to keep it at perfect temp.
@@natedoeswork If you put your coffee boiler on priority, you can be ready to brew in just a few minutes (maybe 5-8 min?). The while machine may be closer to 10-12 min. Both Slayer home units have an energy saving mode that drops the temps during a schedule you set, which speeds this process up tremendously. My recommendation is to leave it hot at full temp 100% of the time, unless you are not using it for several days in a row (going away for a week). The constant heating and cooling cycles are wear and tear on your machine, and they honestly don’t save you much electricity. Heating up from cold is a lot of energy. Keeping it hot 24/7 is probably close to the same. Even if it is just a bit of energy savings, is it worth the wear and tear on the fittings, elements going full fire, etc? In my opinion, no. Your use case may be different though. 😎
So this is just my experience, and totally encourage others to play with pre-infusion and the results. Pre-infusion when done properly can improve coffee in a few ways. It could allow you to grind finer, which opens up more extraction opportunity. I believe one of the main reasons is that the slow wetting of coffee expands the coffee grains (swelling) and "locks" in the fines so they can not migrate. When fines migrate to the bottom part of your basket, they slow the flow and can increase shot time. With pre-infusion, they get trapped in place and can't migrate as aggressively. This means the shot runs faster allowing you to grind more fine to get your target extraction time. We ran a few different shots with the same coffee, and found longer pre infusion changed the perceived sweetness in the cup, and the body. The standard 9 bar shot resulted in a decent espresso that was balanced once we dialed in, but it did not have clarity. Good for larger milk based drinks. The 3s pre-infusion made the sweetness of the coffee more prominent, and made the body less chewy and more rounded. Great as a small milk based drink. A 6s pre-infusion resulted in a juicy espresso, with an increase in the acidity which almost tasted a bit fruity. This would make for a great doppio or long black. It all comes down to preference, but generally pre-infusion can have interesting affects on the resulting cup.
@InvokeCoffeeTech thanks so much for the detailed explanation. Pre-infution sounds like it can give the coffee recipe a little more flexibility depending on the coffee's profile and one's own taste preference.
100%. It gives you so much room to explore. If you head to our website, there is a blog that covers some of our experiences with flow/pressure profiling and what we think may be going on. www.invokecoffee.tech and look for the blog!
@@mryoyo7741 all that will depend on your grind size, and brew parameters. I tend to like shots that are about 25-30s total contact time with this machine. It would be very easy to steam at the same time the shot is brewing, so total time from prep to clean again is probably a minute or so per drink. Less if you have a great puck prep routine and bar flow. If you mean lead time, these are a few months out from order date. Brand new machines, and saw a HUGE demand when announced. For very good reason though; this machine is wildly impressive!
@ oh, got it! If you put your coffee boiler on priority, you can be ready to brew in just a few minutes (maybe 5-8 min?). The while machine may be closer to 10-12 min. Both Slayer home units have an energy saving mode that drops the temps during a schedule you set, which speeds this process up tremendously. My recommendation is to leave it hot at full temp 100% of the time, unless you are not using it for several days in a row (going away for a week). The constant heating and cooling cycles are wear and tear on your machine, and they honestly don’t save you much electricity. Heating up from cold is a lot of energy. Keeping it hot 24/7 is probably close to the same. Even if it is just a bit of energy savings, is it worth the wear and tear on the fittings, elements going full fire, etc? In my opinion, no. Your use case may be different though. 😎
@ micra will 100% be a faster heat up. The Steam is much larger boilers, and much more capable of maintaining heat and steam for a commercial workflow. The Micra is intended for the demand of a home, so a drink or two and done. Very different use cases.
I see what you mean, with the back of the machine nearly touching the ground instead of "floating" over the counter. I honestly don't know how else they could have done it and still kept the reservoir system.
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This is the video I’ve been waiting for, thank you!
Awesome, hit us up with any questions. We'll try and sort it out and get you the good info!
Good overview, just wish you had higher quality video. 360p is super low for today's standard.
Noted!
The polished bevel that doubles as a mirror is such a clever feature!
It is awesome to see the espresso develop under the bottomless portafilter! Great way to time your change from pre-infusion to full flow.
No hate here. A really great video. Lots of nice features. A good mix of tech and looks.
@@bradboyd8143 thanks! I’ll have more things on deck about brewing on different machines and tech looks at random gear that comes through our workshop!
Can you do a side to side compare and contrast video with the slayer espresso single.
Those are two totally and completely different machines! The Slayer Espresso single pre-infuses water at incredibly slow rates allowing for an extremely find grind and and exploration of a totally different kind.
The Steam Single is a restricted pre-wet, but not nearly as slow a the Espresso. The steam is volumetric too, and has a reservoir so it is approachable to a broader audience.
I could totally do a comparison video, but it would be like a Mustang vs Tacoma type comparison. Different tools for different needs!
My only issue are dependability. I keep going back to the GS3 paddle and to me it would be a no brainer if the gs3 map had similar functionality. just heard so many small coffee shops complaining about the dependability and maintaining the slayer. A high end machine for home use should not need to be serviced every three , that’s crazy for a high end home machine. Just my thoughts . Just doing my research. Great video
@@timothywargo3530 thanks Tim!
So there is still an old guard that remembers the early days of Slayer. They were a small company, and had many variants in their machines as they developed, learned, and improved. It could be frustrating back then.
The post-Cimbali Slayer is a well oiled machine. From a tech standpoint, these are built REALLY well, and parts/support are incredible. We have a 1g Espresso in our workshop, and we have only changed the portafilter gasket and the safety valve in 18 months. Safety valve should be done every year no matter what.
GS3 is also a great machine. The big difference is in the brew pathways and capabilities and which interface and features you prefer.
Great, this is the video that shows the most internal structures.
From an engineering perspective, the design architecture is reasonable, but the cold water pipes and joints use a lot of plastic materials, and their service life may not be as durable as traditional copper materials in high temperature environments. On the other hand, it is indeed much easier to replace and maintain.
Another confusing thing is that the water pump and the circuit are not strictly isolated, but placed in a cavity. Once the pipe joint is broken, the damage to the circuit board and power box will be a bit serious.
Both great points. For a machine like this in a more commercial setting, I would 100% replace the push-fit tubing with my "heavy" annual maintenance. Just cheap insurance for peace of mind.
You did note that it was all on the cold-water hydraulic path, so good eye. There is only one instance of hot water being introduced into the plastic tubing, and that is from the steam boiler to the blending valve for the hot water dispenser. At minimum, that one should be replaced as part of maintenance.
From the water pump side of things, the mounting wall of the electronics is lower than the pump. The only part that is directly at risk of a perforation in the water circuit is the capacitor. The rest technically could get wet, but it would have to be one hell of a leak for a real long time. I'd hope we got the service call before that happens.
So watching the video again. Slayer says it’s a life Time Machine but it has plastic parts, including tubes. That does not make any sense.
I can't comment on the engineering or the components. I'm not an engineer. What I can tell you as a coffee professional is that this machine absolutely meets the criteria as an absolute beast. The frame and foundation are really robust. The boilers are over engineered. The electronics are well thought out and labeled.
I've seen a LOT of commercial machines using the same type of components you are concerned about. Rancilio, Simonelli (yes, their high-end models too). While I love the idea of copper and brass everywhere, this machine in no way feels like corners were cut. Much much much easier to work on as well. Replacement of a pipe won't require 4-6 complicated bends to complete the job. Two push fit connects are OK in my book.
Functionally, no other home machine is competing with the quality and feature set.
Some have good quality, but none have the features and build quality of this Steam.
@@InvokeCoffeeTech thanks for the assessment. I will Have to look at the GS3 again or the Strada which is way to expensive, but I think Everything is cooper. I could Be wrong.
@@timothywargo3530 gs3 & Strada x are both copper. The GS3 will not perform the same. Still a good machine, different capability.
Both are also more challenging to work on from a tech perspective. And all that copper is custom bent and brazed. Not something common to pick up at a hardware store. Big risk of big downtime if a repair ends up needing a new tube. Back orders are a real thing, and happen with random parts.
Work those into your calculations too. I’ve had a GS3 on my work bench for months waiting on a tube before. It’s not fun.
@@InvokeCoffeeTech would it be possible to call you . I am Stuck between the gs3 and slayer steam. Really have questions on the builds that no one can seem to or want to discuss.
Please confirm that pre infusion is limited to 10 seconds in manual mode. Thanks.
Hey Michael, pre infusion in manual is as long as you'd like. If you are using "automatic" (ie: volumetric), you are limited to a 60s pre infusion. So basically endless pre infusion. Just tested it out and confirmed for you!
@@InvokeCoffeeTech It's at about the 9min mark the video.
I just dug into the menu settings. You can go as long as 60s for programmed shots, or in manual the machine keeps going until you change to full infusion position.
The LP model is limited to 10s, this one has less restrictions. Perhaps a firmware update will also allow the LP to have unlimited pre? I've never personally felt limited by 10s even on the full size LP.
How is back to back steaming
No issues at all. I keep priority on the brew tank, but the steam boiler is really big for this sized machine. Once the whole machine is up to temp, it works with a PID controller to keep it at perfect temp.
@ how long is heat up time
@@natedoeswork If you put your coffee boiler on priority, you can be ready to brew in just a few minutes (maybe 5-8 min?). The while machine may be closer to 10-12 min.
Both Slayer home units have an energy saving mode that drops the temps during a schedule you set, which speeds this process up tremendously.
My recommendation is to leave it hot at full temp 100% of the time, unless you are not using it for several days in a row (going away for a week). The constant heating and cooling cycles are wear and tear on your machine, and they honestly don’t save you much electricity.
Heating up from cold is a lot of energy. Keeping it hot 24/7 is probably close to the same. Even if it is just a bit of energy savings, is it worth the wear and tear on the fittings, elements going full fire, etc?
In my opinion, no. Your use case may be different though. 😎
What is the max pre-infusion allowed on the Steam Single?
In general, what did you gain or lose with a pre-infution setting?
So this is just my experience, and totally encourage others to play with pre-infusion and the results.
Pre-infusion when done properly can improve coffee in a few ways. It could allow you to grind finer, which opens up more extraction opportunity. I believe one of the main reasons is that the slow wetting of coffee expands the coffee grains (swelling) and "locks" in the fines so they can not migrate. When fines migrate to the bottom part of your basket, they slow the flow and can increase shot time. With pre-infusion, they get trapped in place and can't migrate as aggressively. This means the shot runs faster allowing you to grind more fine to get your target extraction time.
We ran a few different shots with the same coffee, and found longer pre infusion changed the perceived sweetness in the cup, and the body. The standard 9 bar shot resulted in a decent espresso that was balanced once we dialed in, but it did not have clarity. Good for larger milk based drinks.
The 3s pre-infusion made the sweetness of the coffee more prominent, and made the body less chewy and more rounded. Great as a small milk based drink.
A 6s pre-infusion resulted in a juicy espresso, with an increase in the acidity which almost tasted a bit fruity. This would make for a great doppio or long black.
It all comes down to preference, but generally pre-infusion can have interesting affects on the resulting cup.
@InvokeCoffeeTech thanks so much for the detailed explanation. Pre-infution sounds like it can give the coffee recipe a little more flexibility depending on the coffee's profile and one's own taste preference.
100%. It gives you so much room to explore. If you head to our website, there is a blog that covers some of our experiences with flow/pressure profiling and what we think may be going on. www.invokecoffee.tech and look for the blog!
Better be filtered water in that tank
@@erinwilliamson6188 youngstown crunchy at 480 TDS 😤
bro, 360p ? the year 2007 is over
Feel free to create your own content with 12K if you want. 😂
Thx, How fast it is?
@@mryoyo7741 all that will depend on your grind size, and brew parameters.
I tend to like shots that are about 25-30s total contact time with this machine.
It would be very easy to steam at the same time the shot is brewing, so total time from prep to clean again is probably a minute or so per drink. Less if you have a great puck prep routine and bar flow.
If you mean lead time, these are a few months out from order date. Brand new machines, and saw a HUGE demand when announced. For very good reason though; this machine is wildly impressive!
@ 🙏, i mean the to warm up time? Heating
@ oh, got it!
If you put your coffee boiler on priority, you can be ready to brew in just a few minutes (maybe 5-8 min?). The while machine may be closer to 10-12 min.
Both Slayer home units have an energy saving mode that drops the temps during a schedule you set, which speeds this process up tremendously.
My recommendation is to leave it hot at full temp 100% of the time, unless you are not using it for several days in a row (going away for a week). The constant heating and cooling cycles are wear and tear on your machine, and they honestly don’t save you much electricity.
Heating up from cold is a lot of energy. Keeping it hot 24/7 is probably close to the same. Even if it is just a bit of energy savings, is it worth the wear and tear on the fittings, elements going full fire, etc?
In my opinion, no. Your use case may be different though. 😎
@@InvokeCoffeeTech thanks. I have the micra LM I don’t know about the slayer steam 😂. But sure the micra is Faster
@ micra will 100% be a faster heat up. The Steam is much larger boilers, and much more capable of maintaining heat and steam for a commercial workflow. The Micra is intended for the demand of a home, so a drink or two and done.
Very different use cases.
Great video but i think Slayer dropped the ball with the design. The iconic slayer look is lost on this machine.
I see what you mean, with the back of the machine nearly touching the ground instead of "floating" over the counter. I honestly don't know how else they could have done it and still kept the reservoir system.