Great videos. Interestingly, Luc Leblanc has commented that he finished 5th in 1991 while riding clean, and then in 1992, he was surprised to find he was now suddenly unable to follow the fast guys, and it was this experience that led him to start doping too.
By that time they were doping to their eye balls. No chance for any clean rider. Poor Greg Lemond, always a clean rider, hopelessly trying to keep up and has to abandon. What a shame. "I can't explain that" . Yes you can. Thank you very much for uploading.
I attended '92 l'Alpe d'Huez and saw Hampsten win the stage. Somehow, someway, we were able to sneak our way to be at the finish line...it was an amazing day and night. All the other countries were congratulating us (and we didn't understand why) and that's when I learned cycling was such a great sport...great video
I will never understand this time trial. How a man just off from the rigors of winning the Giro could turn former rivals into dust with barely a sweat. This remains THE most brutal beatdown I've ever seen in a time trial to this day. 5 former tour winners (Giro and/or Le Tour) got their asses handed to them big time. Lemond lost four times as much time at Luxembourg than he lost in BOTH time trials combined just 12 months earlier...and Fignon gets caught for six minutes. Same with Bugno, who lost but 27 seconds in the final TT of 1991. The closest man to him being on his team just looked freaky. While Indurain is one of my favorite time trialists, his performances in 1994 and 1995 (the height of the EPO era) are simply puzzling. His power just continues to increase until his abrupt collapse in 1996. And then he got out.
It's completely farcical. He was doped up to the gills. The "getting out" was probably health-related. They didn't really know what they were doing with EPO until the 2000's, and many cyclists died in the early days. My guess is that Mig and his enormous arse didn't fancy joining them. But it absolutely infuriates me that no one is confronting the elephant in the room in cycling - Indurain's "legacy". Please, get real. A casual glance at his estimated power outputs tells you everything you need to know. It was not humanly possible. Ask him to explain that.
What's to understand? He was doping (EPO)--THAT'S how you can explain it, rationally. When former Tour winners "get their asses handed to them" (while he barely sweats) and they lose impossibly large chunks of time is suspicious to say the least. The only puzzling thing is how he was never caught and still retains his ill-gotten jerseys.
In 95 his time trials were much weaker. By that time other riders (berzin, riis, ugrumov) were taking ridiculous amounts of doping that indurain wasn't willing to do.
I remember my dad always recording these every year on vhs. He had so many cycling magazines, he bought a hybrid miuntain bike with a lightframe meant for light cycling combo. We lived on a old farm 12 miles from any town in any direction and he worked a stressful job as a security guard so whenever he got home or was on his days off, hed change out of his clothes, hop on his bike and go cycling for a couple hours while me and my siblings just did whatever we did. He loved cyclin so much. Hes now in his 70s, unable to ride because he damaged his left hand somehow and can barely use it. But these were always inspiration for him to get on his bike and cruise the land and just enjoy life away from stress
Indurain finished way back in the pack the first couple tours he rode. All the other multi tour winners were top 3 in their first tours. Indurain was a domestic not a champion without dope.
A year after Steve Bauer spent months going to doctors for check ups because he was convinced he had some sort of illness, because he couldn't keep up any more. Sure. Steve had a "problem" - a no EPO problem. That's the perfect illustration of quite how ludicrous things were at this stage. That and Indurain's best times up various mountains. Our 80kg hero with the "big lungs" is still untouchable by the world's best riders with vastly better training, nutrition, and bikes today.
Indurain was not 80kg. That's just billed weight. His real weight during TdF would be around 75 kg (still very big for GC tbh. WvA for example his list weight is 75 kg, but during race like Tirreno this year he certainly not 75 kg, but at optimum weight. Every riders has optimum weight where's they still compete without sacrificing too much in one area
So sad what Greg says when he quits: "I can’t push my body beyond what it can do". That’s when you show the character not to dope. Looking forward to seeing him accept the Congressional Medal of Honor
@@livingbeing1113 Please point me to the quotes, or text, or interviews that show this. There were many of that generation of cyclists who won regularly and did not dope, for example Charly Mottet and Greg LeMond
It’s not the great character to not rope it’s the fact that he was already on the way out anyways and had already won what mattered so doping wasn’t worth it
Lemond says about Indurain's team, "They surprised me. They weren't riding well at all and then they came on like rockets yesterday..." Ha! EPO rockets.
Those where.... The Dopey Days we thought they'd never end. Though I must admit that some of the writing tactics back then were more interesting and fun to watch
Ha yeah how funny was that. Still great re-watching it though. 92 was the year I first discovered cycling as a young kid, it's so different to todays grand tours.
Yeah, thanks for the uploads, great for the lockdown... Lol. Started the classics, now going up the tours from 90.... One question..is 92 the year EPO came into play? Lemond on about the speed at 42 minutes...
Anyone who was involved with doping and or a doping doctor should be stripped of a title. Sadly you can’t give back the moment of a true winner to stand on a podium and drink in the moment. I got to race against Alex Steida, John Tomac ,
Change in video and TV broadcast technology. TV live broadcasts, like sports switched from film to video cameras for TV broadcasts. It made a lot of sports during that time have the "Soap Opera" effect on TV. It wasn't until the mid 90s when we started aproaching the quality of HD for budget TV production.
Indurain was never caught on doping and not a single witness from back in the day claimed he did. Armstrong was caught multiple times and even more testimonies of riders, doctors etc.
He wasn't aware that all the lead shot gun pellets that were still in his body after his shooting accident that nearly killed him were slowly poisoning him and effecting his body & health & something in 2020 he is still suffering from
Terrible music, where you just hear an reverb drum beat nearly all the way through. Extremely bad taste and uninspired, especially with Indurain dominating it is even more important to have something insuring to compensate his boring rising demeanor (notwithstanding off the bike a beautiful person). Phil really needs Sherwin also who has far more passion.
Your videos are like having an old friend over for dinner, thank you 🙏🏼♥️
Thanks to you and all cycling fans
Thanks for these videos. Great to see these “old” races from my youth.
Great videos. Interestingly, Luc Leblanc has commented that he finished 5th in 1991 while riding clean, and then in 1992, he was surprised to find he was now suddenly unable to follow the fast guys, and it was this experience that led him to start doping too.
By that time they were doping to their eye balls. No chance for any clean rider. Poor Greg Lemond, always a clean rider, hopelessly trying to keep up and has to abandon. What a shame. "I can't explain that" . Yes you can. Thank you very much for uploading.
Thanks mate for uploading these!
Glad that you enjoy them
BK - 6833 yeah thanks
Awesome! This brings me back
Phil Ligget is legit the legend of TDF commentators and I'm not from the UK
Agreed. He was and remains the Voice of Cycling.
LOVE these! Thank you so much for taking the time to upload these!
Love the music
I attended '92 l'Alpe d'Huez and saw Hampsten win the stage.
Somehow, someway, we were able to sneak our way to be at the finish line...it was an amazing day and night. All the other countries were congratulating us (and we didn't understand why) and that's when I learned cycling was such a great sport...great video
He had only one STI brifter on his handlebars correct?
@@ralphc1405Yes.
I will never understand this time trial. How a man just off from the rigors of winning the Giro could turn former rivals into dust with barely a sweat. This remains THE most brutal beatdown I've ever seen in a time trial to this day. 5 former tour winners (Giro and/or Le Tour) got their asses handed to them big time. Lemond lost four times as much time at Luxembourg than he lost in BOTH time trials combined just 12 months earlier...and Fignon gets caught for six minutes. Same with Bugno, who lost but 27 seconds in the final TT of 1991. The closest man to him being on his team just looked freaky. While Indurain is one of my favorite time trialists, his performances in 1994 and 1995 (the height of the EPO era) are simply puzzling. His power just continues to increase until his abrupt collapse in 1996. And then he got out.
It's completely farcical. He was doped up to the gills. The "getting out" was probably health-related. They didn't really know what they were doing with EPO until the 2000's, and many cyclists died in the early days. My guess is that Mig and his enormous arse didn't fancy joining them. But it absolutely infuriates me that no one is confronting the elephant in the room in cycling - Indurain's "legacy". Please, get real. A casual glance at his estimated power outputs tells you everything you need to know. It was not humanly possible. Ask him to explain that.
What's to understand? He was doping (EPO)--THAT'S how you can explain it, rationally. When former Tour winners "get their asses handed to them" (while he barely sweats) and they lose impossibly large chunks of time is suspicious to say the least. The only puzzling thing is how he was never caught and still retains his ill-gotten jerseys.
In 95 his time trials were much weaker. By that time other riders (berzin, riis, ugrumov) were taking ridiculous amounts of doping that indurain wasn't willing to do.
@@drunkensailor112 big mig doped
Giro still not that hard and you can "racing to get shape" during il Giro. Plus, Indurain's style of racing means minimum energy gone wasted
Phil "his face a picture of pain" Liggett. Armband de las Quavers. Johan Museum..Such fun
I remember my dad always recording these every year on vhs. He had so many cycling magazines, he bought a hybrid miuntain bike with a lightframe meant for light cycling combo. We lived on a old farm 12 miles from any town in any direction and he worked a stressful job as a security guard so whenever he got home or was on his days off, hed change out of his clothes, hop on his bike and go cycling for a couple hours while me and my siblings just did whatever we did. He loved cyclin so much. Hes now in his 70s, unable to ride because he damaged his left hand somehow and can barely use it. But these were always inspiration for him to get on his bike and cruise the land and just enjoy life away from stress
This is what makes cycling special. Thanks for sharing
Great video thanks for sharing brings back memories watching it on tv
Glad you enjoyed it Happy to share these with cycling fans
thanks for uploading this. great memories!
Glad you enjoyed it
Fantastic video.
The dark depressing years of indurain, he worked with Doctor Conconi. Lemond the last naturally gifted rider to win the tour.
BINGO!
🤣🤣🤣
Bull shit. Indurain was already a beast in 89 and 90 before conconi even tried epo on riders.
Man everyone was either doping or getting dropped it was one or the other, criticizing someone for doping is stuipid
Indurain finished way back in the pack the first couple tours he rode. All the other multi tour winners were top 3 in their first tours. Indurain was a domestic not a champion without dope.
Laurent Fignon RIP
A year after Steve Bauer spent months going to doctors for check ups because he was convinced he had some sort of illness, because he couldn't keep up any more. Sure. Steve had a "problem" - a no EPO problem. That's the perfect illustration of quite how ludicrous things were at this stage. That and Indurain's best times up various mountains. Our 80kg hero with the "big lungs" is still untouchable by the world's best riders with vastly better training, nutrition, and bikes today.
Indurain was not 80kg. That's just billed weight. His real weight during TdF would be around 75 kg (still very big for GC tbh. WvA for example his list weight is 75 kg, but during race like Tirreno this year he certainly not 75 kg, but at optimum weight. Every riders has optimum weight where's they still compete without sacrificing too much in one area
@@kidpagronprimsank05 indurain was 80 kg. Admitted to it himself. There are no billed weights in cycling lol. This isn't professional wrestling.
Phil said in this video that Miguel's 2nd Tt was the fastest EVER. Faster than LeMonds win over Fignon.
So sad what Greg says when he quits: "I can’t push my body beyond what it can do". That’s when you show the character not to dope. Looking forward to seeing him accept the Congressional Medal of Honor
It's Just the Medal of Honor.
Lemond was as doped as anyone.
@@livingbeing1113 Please point me to the quotes, or text, or interviews that show this. There were many of that generation of cyclists who won regularly and did not dope, for example Charly Mottet and Greg LeMond
It’s not the great character to not rope it’s the fact that he was already on the way out anyways and had already won what mattered so doping wasn’t worth it
@@livingbeing1113You are obviously a Lance fan boy that seems to have an agenda against Lemond.
Lemond says about Indurain's team, "They surprised me. They weren't riding well at all and then they came on like rockets yesterday..." Ha! EPO rockets.
41:19 🚀
Thanks, u the best!
Those where.... The Dopey Days we thought they'd never end. Though I must admit that some of the writing tactics back then were more interesting and fun to watch
In terms of bulk, the GC riders of today are like the climbers of old while the GC riders of old are like the classics riders of today.
Chiappucci's HR at 95bpm while pedaling 60kph!? EPO is a hell of a drug... made champions of all the domestiques (Indurain, Chiappucci, Furlan, etc)
Ha yeah how funny was that. Still great re-watching it though. 92 was the year I first discovered cycling as a young kid, it's so different to todays grand tours.
Imagine how many tours Hampsten could have one if he had doped? Or at least been a lot more competitive.
This is the first year EPO hit the peloton. It’s clear in the first mountain, stage.
Great nostalgia with a sour taste indurain, roache, bugno all cheats breaks your heart to see a real champion like Lemond suffering.
Yeah, thanks for the uploads, great for the lockdown... Lol.
Started the classics, now going up the tours from 90....
One question..is 92 the year EPO came into play?
Lemond on about the speed at 42 minutes...
Lemond has said in several interviews that he was told that many in the peloton were on EPO which is why he wasn’t competitive.
I think it was 91
@@janbadkamer3383 91 is when Lemond said for the first time the average speeds increased dramatically like nothing he'd seen in tours before.
Anyone who was involved with doping and or a doping doctor should be stripped of a title. Sadly you can’t give back the moment of a true winner to stand on a podium and drink in the moment. I got to race against Alex Steida, John Tomac ,
Lemond had to quit because he wasn't of the drugs that everyone else was.
Hats off to a real legit champion.
Nobody will ever know.
Nope. Lemond quit when others started to use what Greg himself was using since the late 80s.
@@livingbeing1113 OK Dummy...you make no sense!
So many beautiful bikes. Wonder where they are now
Great question. I like your username by the way.
@@abdul-kabiralegbe5660 Thank you 🙏
Must have sucked to be a sprinter back then. I can't remember a Tour when breakaways went through that often.
He looks like Val Kilmer
Lino, what a smug
Welcome to the EPO era.
41:00 interesting...did he know or not?! (...doping..)
56:51 double down tube Colnago
Lemon looked so high in 1990
Claudio Miguel and the others were.
You see him not able to talk irritable and dazed. Might be wrong. But why believe him
Bugno needs a new EPO pusher
Franco Boner. Sounds like a stand - up guy.
Greg should’ve grown up and got on the hot sauce...
Smattless all pros at that level ARE on it. It’s embarrassing to use it, underperform, then cry and play the “moral card”.
Great comment. Stop whinging Greg and take some Turbo Shots 🤣🤣🤣
The year Hampsten won the TDF as first clean rider.
lol- andy was dirty with the rest
If he doped he was really bad at it.
@@tab6496 ¿Al igual que España sueña con un campeón que no necesita droga para ganar grandes carreras?
@@EMC2Scotia Hampsten tampoco iba limpio.
@@tab6496 so basically all such comments mean Indurain wasn't clean because no one was?
Read about indurain and Dr Conconi.
Dr Concoction 🤣
I had to double check I hadn't put a 70's porno on when the intro music kicked in...
Why did the 1980s and 90s tour de france always looked so gloomy?
At the time cycling was under the cloud of doping controversy, leading to reduced ambient lighting
@@galenkehler lol
@@davianlomboan2397 Why do you find them gloomy?
Change in video and TV broadcast technology. TV live broadcasts, like sports switched from film to video cameras for TV broadcasts. It made a lot of sports during that time have the "Soap Opera" effect on TV. It wasn't until the mid 90s when we started aproaching the quality of HD for budget TV production.
Yep he was on drugs just look how big he is
It must sicken Lance Armstrong to have been caught doping and having all his tour victories stripped while knowing Miguel Indurain got away with it..
At least big Mig wasn't an a**hole like Armstrong 😎
@Smattless yeah but I get the impression a lot of people still love him 🙄
Indurain Did Not Violate The RICO Statute Or The Euro Equivalent Prohibiting Organized Crime By DoucheBags.
@@MrUbersven F**K EM!
Indurain was never caught on doping and not a single witness from back in the day claimed he did. Armstrong was caught multiple times and even more testimonies of riders, doctors etc.
What the He went wrong with lemond? I am shocked to see someone like that can win 3 tours. 😠
At the time it was dope or gtfo
He wasn't aware that all the lead shot gun pellets that were still in his body after his shooting accident that nearly killed him were slowly poisoning him and effecting his body & health & something in 2020 he is still suffering from
@@djsguitars01 He was aware of this and it's major factor, EPO just finished him for good
@@djsguitars01 Yeah, he was very lucky to survive never mind Where's my Tour Win? Gotta admire his attitude for that.
Terrible music, where you just hear an reverb drum beat nearly all the way through. Extremely bad taste and uninspired, especially with Indurain dominating it is even more important to have something insuring to compensate his boring rising demeanor (notwithstanding off the bike a beautiful person). Phil really needs Sherwin also who has far more passion.
Nothing wrong with you Greg...They were full of EPO
Only Bugno is clean