Mind Blowing! | The Hunger Games The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes Reaction | FIRST TIME WATCHING!
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- Mind Blowing! | The Hunger Games The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes Reaction | FIRST TIME WATCHING!
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Years before he becomes the tyrannical president of Panem, 18-year-old Coriolanus Snow remains the last hope for his fading lineage. With the 10th annual Hunger Games fast approaching, the young Snow becomes alarmed when he's assigned to mentor Lucy Gray Baird from District 12. Uniting their instincts for showmanship and political savvy, they race against time to ultimately reveal who's a songbird and who's a snake.
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Lucy didn't betray him, she escaped him.
She also didn't attempt to kill him, the snake wasn't venomous and for all we know it was just seeking shelter from the rain.
yup. she just realized that snow was most likely going to kill her eventually
The snake wasn’t venomous, but neither was the snake she used against the mayor’s daughter. It seemed like a clear trap.
She did not betray him. She really saw what he really is. She knew something wrong and he can snap anytime and he is not mostly good.
I don't feel Snow was actually bad, he was right on the line between good and evil, and Lucy Gray saw how close he could be to crossing that line.
Why are people saying she betrayed him? Did they not see the look in his eyes when he called Lucy a ‘loose end’?
@@r-giireactions2235idk if you read the book as well but I can't agree knowing what his inner monologue was from the start.
@@that.ll_do_pig Though I agree that his inner monologue in the books felt a bit more possessive, it also felt like he'd been very raised by the Capitol, and he really did not know how else to think. Admittedly it wasn't always healthy in the book, but I still felt he had a chance of getting better. But honestly, I prefer it in the movie where it makes him feel more neutral than even the book, maybe an unpopular opinion though.
Though actually, that makes me think of something interesting, Snow wants control, but Lucy wants trust, those things are actually very much alike in that they both depend having someone else act in your best interest. The difference is control is something you take, trust has to be given freely, and that sometimes can be far more scary.
That final scene between Snow and Tigress haunts me. The smirk he gives her when he asks how he looks and her absolutely defeated expression. She never wanted this for him, she wanted him to be a better man then his father and he knows this, yet mocks her in a subtle way. We start seeing the Tigress that helps Katniss and the rebels in Mockingjay.
Yeah. Also in "Mockingjay" when Katniss told her that she's gonna kill Snow, Tigris smiled not simply because she was happy about it. She rather accepted Snow's incoming death as a sad necessity, because she knew he wasn't the same person she used to be so close with. The relationship between them was portrayed amazingly - it's tragic that they used to be so close, just like siblings (although they're cousins) and eventually they fell apart.
I don’t think the intention is make you feel bad for snow or excuse the things he’s done, there are times in the movie and books where he has the choice to choose right or wrong and he always chooses the wrong. Snow was never really a good person, not even from the beginning of the book/movie, you see how much of narcissistic he is more in the books bc you can see his thoughts he’s just really good at hiding it. However I don’t think he was evil in the beginning, that’s not until the end.
She didn't try to kill him. She figured out he got Sejanus hanged and figured he'd do away with her too.
District 12 had two winners before Katniss. Haymitch Abernathy (Woody Harrelson) was the only one still around in the first book/movie which is why he had to mentor both District 12 tributes every year as the job of mentor is eventually given to the district's victors to retraumatize them.
It's widely thought that lucy gray didn't put the snake under the scarf because it turns out the snake is non-venomous and snakes like to take shelter in the rain, in the end lucy gray didn't trust snow enough to stay with him, her saying "apart from me" when he was talking about loose ends was probably her testing to see his reaction to see if she could trust him or not, so she probably decided to run away, leaving his mothers scarf behind for him.
I believe she is out there, alive, gone up north possibly to canada, or even district 13. but most likely living alone, or with other defectors. if you look closely, snow actually only took one shot at her (and misses, the bullet can clearly be seen hitting the tree) she was probably startled and tripped/dove out of the way) her singing the hanging tree could have been a result of him just losing his mind, or maybe she was out there, taunting him (but i doubt it)
in the original book trilogy, katniss does point out that there was one winner before haymitch but they know nothing about the victor since she hasn’t been around for a long time.
21:50 no. He was already evil. In the books before the games even began Dr.Gaul gave the mentors an assignment to write about what they loved about the war. The main thing Snow put on his paper was the “satisfaction” that the Capitol won because it meant seizing complete control over the districts. Then after Snow leaves the arena getting Sejanus out, Gaul gives him another assignment writing about the importance of control and how things like the war, the games, human beings being nothing but mindless killing machines is the result of having no control over people. So no, he wasn’t turned into what he became, he already was that. Gaul just got it out of him.
@@user-op6kt8pg9y no, you’re thinking of his father. I’m thinking about Snow himself.
@@user-op6kt8pg9yI believe the line "before the games" has caused confusion for you. The commenter meant "before the start of the 10th games"
It’s basically what you said, she didn’t trust him anymore. After he said he killed three people (third person being Sejanus) she kinda lost trust in him, then when they went to the cabin and he found the gun that killed Mayfair and billy taupe so he no longer had to run away because there was no more loose ends until Lucy gray reminds that she’s one. (That part kind of made me confused bc if she already didn’t really trust him, why did she tell him that?) in the book he’s the one who reminds himself that she’s a loose end but I think they needed a way to show what he was thinking so they made her say that. So I guess you can see it as her testing him, and it’s the face he made after that made her run away. Also the snake that bit him wasn’t poisonous so she wasn’t trying to kill him, I think that was only to slow him down, I think.
I think the reason why she told him she was a loose end was because they didn’t have Snow’s inner monologue to let the audience know that she was and that paranoia is why he goes after her and with everything going on it would be very easy for audiences not familiar with the story to not realise/pick up on it and lead to further confusion as to why he shoots at her.
“Snow lands on top.”
Oh yeah, this is easily my favorite book of the series. It really goes into a deeper depth especially when you realize how many parallels Lucy-Grey has to Katniss. Also there’s the songs too and their origins. It’s all these reasons why Snow hated Katniss on sight, because she was too much like Lucy-Grey
I think that was Snow's weak point. He even said himself in the Mockingjay "It's the things we love most that destroy us" and it's a great paralel to how his attitude changed. I think even though he did loved Lucy Gray, at the same time he felt that this love was making him weak and he hated it. He hated feeling weak and took this experience of falling in love with her as a lesson for the future.
@@waterhorse_httyd657he even says that in the book. “If he was to ever marry, it would be to someone who doesn’t make him feel stupid. He didn’t like love as it made him weak.”
@@Bostonterrierslol I haven't finished the book yet, but thank you for pointing that out! It's a cool detail, really adds depth behind Snow's character.
It’s so confusing if you have no book knowledge tbh. But to let you know, she ran from him because she knew he set Sejanus up, he was sneaky and a snake. In the books he sees her as an object to control, in that little shed it was that moment he realized he’d never be able to control her and he was gonna kill her regardless if she ran. She’s just smart for figuring him out and dipping before he completely flipped
not really confusing if you have watched the movies many times. i haven’t read the books because i can’t afford them and did my research but still tried to avoid spoilers. the movie was mind blowing while i was watching on the cinema i can’t stop thinking all the parallels and how everything changed from the previous movies, i guess that’s the problem most of youtube reactors they don’t really pay attention that much
@whatiwatch006 excuse you but I did pay attention lmao. Things were not clear cut and it was a little confusing towards the end. I also watched this at midnight when it released so that I could put it out so quickly. So forgive me if I had some questions 😂
@@ItsTotallyCody oopps my comment was not meant for you sorry lol but i get it. my comment is meant for the other reactor who just started binging the 4movies this year, i’ve been binging all the reactions of the franchise for this entire month😅
@@ItsTotallyCody thank you Cody!! I thought I was the only one who was confused by the ending. Glad the comments did clear everything up. I did read the other 3 when I was in middle school but the 4th one I never had time to read in college
@@whatiwatch006I have a Christmas present for you... the audiobook is uploaded free on RUclips. So are the other 3 in the series. Enjoy! 😉
I know this movie hasn't received the best criticism, but honestly, I love it. Definitely underrated.
I think the audience scores reflect how everyone feels about this movie rather than the critics scores. On rotten tomatoes it’s got an audience score of 89%, the same as Catching Fire!
what do you mean it has a great reviews from critics and audience lol
The book must have been really hard to translate into film because so much of it was snows internal monologue.
Lucy Gray was scared about how she was the last loose end. She saw how desperate he was to return to the capital and his family. He was acting unhinged and the gun intimidated her into running away. She thought he was going to kill her.
There's a theory that not knowing what happened to her caused Snow to become obsessed--whether it be if she survived or if he thought she was out to kill him, and Katness reminded him so much of Lucy that he became obsessed with her as well. There's another theory that Katness is descended from Lucy's cousin and that's where her knowledge of the song and survival skills were learned from.
Lucy ran away once Snow
Lied to her about the third person he killed. She already knew Snow was going to leave her and go back to the Capitol and so she ran away to be free from him and the Capitol. It’s also the reason why the whole conversation of “trust” came into play. Trust was more important to her than love and when he lied to her, her trust was gone.
Dean highbottom was lowkey the goat for trying to sabotage the games, Crassus snow put the blood of generations in his hands, and Coriolanus snow revived the games and killed him
The intention of the movie/book isn't to make you feel bad for Snow, is just to showcase how he turns out the way he was in the original, and explain his "hate" towards Katniss, because she reminds him of Lucy gray so much
So for the ending, i think it’s better put in the book, Snow was the one who thought of Lucy gray and his only loose end left, and on their journey to the cabin he was very much not into it, and immediately regretted going with her, so when he found the guns he was happy and excited because it meant he didn’t have to live this way. so i think lucy gray could pick up on that and ran from him, and Snow still seeing her as a loose end went after her to try to stop her. It pins it more on lucy gray in the movie and maybe that’s because it is more Snow’s pov so i’m sure in his head he did make her the shady one.
That’s another reason i like the book better, it’s written in third person so it’s more detached from Snow, rather in the first hunger games books, we were in katniss’ head so we *could* relate to and feel sympathy for her. I think the book makes it more clear that there’s no need to feel sympathy for Snow.
It's clearer in the book why she runs off. By the time they reach the cabin, neither Lucy Gray nor Snow are fully committed to the situation anymore and neither one wants to be with the other out there. That's why things got so tense and paranoid all of a sudden. He realizes he would much rather be in the Capitol, be wealthy, and be with his family, and she realizes he got Sejanus killed and can't be trusted after all. In the end, they have completely different worldviews and morals. Even after getting her through the Games and getting exiled to 12, Snow would still choose self-preservation over what's right every time. You see glimpses of it throughout the story and it finally comes to an extreme end where he chooses evil over good. I found him to be pretty sympathetic in the first two-thirds of the book even if he is overall selfish. It's sad that Sejanus feels so close to him and basically has no other friends due to being "district", yet Coryo sees him in this sad, pathetic light. Btw, if Lucy Gray did plant the snake in the scarf (I think she did), she chose a non-venomous one on purpose, because she was only trying to slow him down and prevent him from finding her. She may not have loved him like she once did, but she didn't want to kill him.
Rachel Zegler is from Broadway. That’s why she has a good voice. She was also in the remake of West Side Story.
in the books it was explained Tigress was his older cousin they were close as kids but not why she wanted him dead as adults the Super Carlin Brothers theory is cause it was HEAVILY implied at this point she sold herself to keep them fed & to hear when he became president he was selling the victors was why especially Finnick as she was most likely his stylist before being removed for not being pretty anymore''
Lucy Gray refers to the gun as the last loose end ‘except me’. She starts to realize then just how plausible it could be that Snow might just wanna kill her.
I personally think this is my all time fav hunger games movie yet. 🙏
that would make sense but no one can top catching fire tho
@@DorisDay-lw4xs you dmbass who tf says she’s jennifer or she’s better than jen. y’all always find things to hate and downing new comers 💀
An interesting thing is this: Lucy gray is a performer in a hunt. Katniss is a hunter forced to perform.
Lucy gray is a performer forced to fight and Katniss is a fighter forced to perform- Rachel Zegler
I very much suggest reading the book because it provides such vital knowledge to Snows internal thoughts, especially when they sometimes partially conflict with his actions. It explains certain motivations (and how he is torn about certain things) pretty well.
I like to think about all the moments that Snow saw Lucy in Katniss... in the Mockingjay, in the music and even in the name. These two were his terror
Tbh, i don't get how people can even start to sympathise with Snow at all and how they can't see that he was never good. Also, i don't see how people are so confused about the ending. It thought it was crystal clear if you actually pay attention. Nothing could make me feel bad for him.
Well not everyone can see things as clear as you can I guess lol. Thanks for watching
@ItsTotallyCody I didn't mean that in a bad way though 🙈 I'm just seriously surprised (not just with your reaction but other people's take on it too). I wonder if it's my autism but I'm not sure
we all need to follow in lucy gray’s footsteps and dip once we see a red flag
she didnt betray him, she was afraid of him. she also didnt try to kill him, she didnt plant the snake, he was paranoid
Okay this is a long one, so i read the book and the reason lucy ran was partly because corio said he killed three people when lucy only knew of two the kid in the arena one, the mayor's daughter two, his third was because of his actions with the jabberjays getting his best friend sirjanus killed, lucy grey lied when she "went to pick katniss" was because she had said earlier by the lake that they weren't in season yet so they should catch fish for food instead, the reason snow turned on her at the end was because he and lucy mentioned in the cabin that there were only 4 people who knew about the guns as well as the plan to go north, they had said that they could trust each other but this felt different, they had both lied to each other so it was tense on both sides plus snow was paranoid that she would tell someone and ruin his life and his opportunity to save his family.
The peacekeepers were hunting everyone who was involved in the mayor's daughters death, they caught sirjanus and spruce (he was the one that hid the guns in the cabin and he was the one who killed billy toupe) they both were killed at the hanging tree because of what was on the jabberjay recordings, sirjanus mentioned spruce corio cut himself out of the recording because in the book the gamemaker shows him how they work and let him try it in her lab he said the national anthem and had the jabberjays play it back to him before clearing it so he knew how to erase it but he chose not to, the last two who knew were corio himself and lucy gray, that scene in the cabin was corio realising that he had the guns spruce hid, so he had the evidence that proved it was him who killed the mayor's daughter, the final loose end was lucy grey she realised what was happening and that corio was now a major threat and he had a strong motive to kill her he had already become a serial killer after he accidentally confessed his third kill to lucy she realised he had already crossed that line into evil, corio had lied about the third person he killed when she asked him she payed that back later when she then lied to him saying she was going to pick katniss by the lake in the rain, which was one of the last things she said to him before she disappeared just like the lucy grey in the story she was named after.
The story went that lucy greys footprints were tracked till they stopped suddenly leading nowhere and no one knew what happened, it was a mystery and people speculated what happened some say she died or that she escaped what she was running from and is still alive somewhere to this day, while others including lucy grey and maude ivory believed that she had suddenly turned into a bird and she flew away (fun tie in lucy grey was nicknamed the songbird during the games), that story is exactly what happened to our lucy grey in the end corio tracked her footprints till they stopped suddenly in the woods, in the book he doesn't actually see her like he did in the movie he assumed she climbed a tree and that was why her footprints stopped, the jabberjays picked up her voice singing and it was coming from every direction, so he emptied his gun into the trees above him at the birds also thinking thats where lucy was too, so they never explicitly say if he shot her or not and its a mystery just like in the story she was named after, the rest of the end is the same as the movie.
I fully believe that katniss is a descendant of maude ivory from the covey, Katniss's mum and sister are both blonde (which is uncommon in district 12, but maude was covey so she wasn't from 12 and she stood out because she was blonde) it also explains how years later katniss knew a lot of lucy greys songs because they would have been passed down the family in lucy greys memory because maude was like a little sister to lucy and they were really close so i think she would sing her songs to her children and grandchildren ect and it became lucy's legacy, her songs were used as psychological warfare by katniss against snow unknowingly. Lucy grey was the first victor in district 12, and there are references to her in the other books that katniss wasn't the first female victor from 12 that there was another but the people back in 12 speculated that lucy ran away because she must have been the one who killed the mayor's daughter but the guns were never found because corio dumped them in the lake, lucy was district 12s first victor making haymitch the second victor but he was the first one to stay in 12, he was the only one in victor's village able to be a mentor.
"it's the ones we love most that destroy us" lucy was the only woman he ever loved the woman that he married and had children with was more of a business proposition and he wanted to have a legacy to keep his father's name alive and going, he never loved anyone after lucy grey because he didn't want anyone to hold power over him again like she did, corios father was part of why the games were created in the first place and corio changing the games with his ideas and his essay is what kept the hunger games going otherwise people would have continued to lose interest and they would have stopped the games just like highbottom wanted, so corio knowing he would try to stop the games again, corio poisoned sirjanus's bottles of alcohol that were in his trunk, he did it knowing that if he left it with highbottom that he would drink it because he drank a lot probably to drown out the pain of being famously known as the creator of the hunger games, he wrote it when he was drunk and he wanted to destroy it the morning after, but corios dad submitted it behind his back giving highbottom a legacy he never wanted or asked for.
I've notice that a lot of people that leave confused after watching the movie tend to come into watching it with the mindset of "Let's see how snow became evil" so they go in thinking snow is "good" from the very beginning of the movie so they are waiting from the moment the shoes drop. But the truth is all his actions are fueled by entitlement.
Also I have never read any of the books, but AFTER watching this movie i saw many book analysis videos and turns out I came to the same conclusion as them except the ending. In the *movie* they are more heavy on lucy gray purposely leaving the snake, but in the book its apparently famed as just a coincidence but because snow is always plotting he thinks lucy gray is like him. But its way more ambiguous even leaning to the fact that Lucy gray was honestly just looking for plants but snow's own delusion of "all people are innately bad" he convinces himself that lucy has betrayed him, only for him to show lucy his true colors.
honestly as much of a monster as snow became he led to the tributes being treated more like people it was so much more brutal back when he was a kid
he did lead to the tributes being treated better, but for all the wrong reasons
The goal of the movie wasn't for the audience to feel bad or have empathy/sympathy for snow, it wasnt in the books and it wasnt in the adaptation. The idea of the author was to explore the principle: state of nature.
The whole premise is the conversation in the woods snow had with lucy gray "theres goodness built into us all, the path you chose to go..." Snow CHOOSE the path of darkness, who he was in the other movies its the crystal clear representation of that,
coryo was always a little psychotic in the books at least in his inner dialogs, You can actually understand some things in this early stage if u have suffered from extreme violence and poverty (hes trying to do EVERYTHING he can to get out of that life) and even if u might agree or understand this reasons, it does not condone some of the things young snow does, he is ,very VERY selfish and does terrible shit to not go back to nothing.
A little summary might be; at the end of the day is what we want to become...example, on one hand we have Tigris, shes 2 years older than snow and had the exact same upbringing, she experience the dark days as much as him, was an orphan same as him, had the same education as him "capitol is superior - districts are nothing but animals or worse" had the same grandma raising them, whos kept pushing this narrative, one could argue tigris had it waaaaay worse, its presented in the books the idea that she was doing sex work to feed the family and she didnt want to burden Snow with any of that (even he suspected, didnt seem to care at all - this might be because hes just shitty like that ...or a coping mechanism) who knows (psychologically hes a very complex character). Thought the movie coryo changes little by little -one moral dilema after another -and testing what morals he can bend , specially if it benefits him.
Starts with white lies, then bad lies, deception and kills (in the arena and outside of it) but tigris kept her humanity and morals. 2 very different ends.
The snow we saw in the original hg is just how he end up, but its a loooong ride if u start to think about it.
Anywayyyyyys Great reaction, i enjoyed it 😊
Pd: Sorry if i made a mistake english is not my first language
i honestly think this one could’ve been a two parter😂 like the games were very condensed for time, along with all the little things snow did to help lucy gray are more in your face and upfront and i do feel like things that are more in subtext and subtle in the book are just blatantly said and kinda rushed like every storyline with Sejanus basically, the story with Snows father and Dean Highbottom…but again it’s a movie adaptation so that’s bound to happen.
But omg Viola Davis and Peter Dinklage are sooo phenomenal in this movieeee😭😭 Viola is such a presence i got chills in the theater from her performance so many times.
All the performances are spectacular in this movie!! But yeah overall i do just wish we had more time and development with these characters.
Also while Katniss wasn’t the first female winner from 12 i do think it’s mentioned there’d only been 2, with haymitch being the only LIVING one im pretty sure that’s in the first book, another reason you should read them all!! So many details that build out the world are missed
Agreed. Two would have allowed things to be fleshed out. Everything felt a bit rushed [to book readers mostly].
in the first movie they actually say there was a winner before Haymitch. also in the book Snow is much worse. he literally think of Lucy as an object and wants to own her. also would you be up for watching the new Percy Jackson series?
Yeah, an older man. But Dr. Gauw said that she erased all records of this Hunger Games. So “officially” there were only 4 victors.
Haymitch’s mentor, Haymitch himself, and of course Katniss & Peeta
@@Bostonterrierslol yes i’m just correcting him since he thinks no one won before haymitch
@@Bostonterrierslolthere was no old man mentioned I just reread the trilogy hayntiches mentor is not mentioned.
@@Bostonterrierslol Disagree. The first book says there were two victors in 12 in the history of the games. Lucy Gray and Haymitch, then Katniss and Peeta are added to that during the first trilogy. I am curious why you think Haymitch had a victor as a mentor? No such person is ever mentioned as far as I know.
@@emilyk5168yea i said the same thing.
I saw this opening weekend. Loved it. I own the book. A great adaptation.
HayMitch won the hunger games (the second quarter quell). This is why his name was reaped during catching fire before peeta volunteered
She didn't betray him and no you aren't supposed to feel sorry for him. She realized he was bad and she runs away from him.
In the cinema when people died i tried doing the three finger thing to see if anyone would follow, nobody did
I would say their name and say Yu gonplei ste odon. If you know, you know.
7:59 - Haymitch was a winner
Poor Haymitch beat 47 other people in the games.
"There wasn't a district 12 winner until Katniss."
Haymitch in the background o.O
Yes you were wrong. The first winer was lucy and the second Hamich
i saw it in theatres ^_^
I love that when you said you are excited for the movie your dog just leapt into frame like ME TOO!
21:52 ugh, that's my number one gripe with this movie. Without the inner monologue from Snow, it looks more like he was manipulated into becoming who he was as opposed to just being put in the right circumstances with the right encouragement to bring out exactly who he wanted to be.
So first he said that he killed someone she didn't know about, then tried to lie about it, and she could tell he was lying. That made her incredibly nervous. Then they found the guns the other kid had hid in the cabin: the only evidence that Coreo had done anything wrong. If he destroyed them, he didn't have to run off with her: he could go back home. Except what if _she_ told people what he did? It would ruin his life. He stood up, holding the gun in his hand, and asked her in a strange tone if he could trust her. It was then she knew she had to run.
Right. She wasn’t trying to kill him. She was just trying to get away. He just thinks she’s trying to betray him because he’s paranoid. The snake wasn’t even poisonous, probably either something to slow him down or just there coincidentally (either left behind or went into the scarf on its own to shelter from the rain).
In the original books, it mentioned that District 12 only had four victors, Katness, Peeta, Haymitch, and some girl from long before any of them, that of course was Lucy Gray.
15:15 Says the dude who thought it would be a fantastic idea to do the oompa loompa dances as though any of us asked for it
“What did she do?” What did SHE do? HE betrayed his friend and lied to her
Honestly, your reaction makes so much sense to me. Like I absolutely did enjoy the movie, but I just kept thinking like "if I hadn't read the book, I'd be hella confused." So to explain the end, as others have mentioned, Lucy Grey realized that she wasn't really safe because she really saw kind of person he really was. Firstly, he accidentally let slip that he killed 3 people (the tribute, Mayfair, and Sejanus) but then lied about it which already made her v suspicious. Then, maybe not so much in the movie, but it was very clear in the books that he was paranoid and losing his mind about the missing guns. He was afraid they would turn up and be the end of him.
When they finally found the guns, you can see that Lucy Grey was studying his reaction to see what he'd do. They both reached the same conclusion at the same time: if they got rid of the guns, which was the last bit of physical evidence, the only loose end left that ties Snow back to the crime was Lucy Grey herself as the sole witness left. Now, perhaps two normal people who were had just planned to run away together out of love would not see this as a threat; just get rid of the guns and move on. But Lucy Grey was already starting to suspect how genuine Snow's feelings were from everything before (and also since the beginning tbh, bc there were many small moments of hesitation/doubt in their conversations, and also before their first kiss). And at some point, she found out he had planned to make it to District 2 without even telling her, showing her that the Capitol and his life there may be more important to him than her. So she realized that it's a very real possibility for Snow to be like "never mind about running away, let me just kill the last bit of evidence, and then go back to the Capitol as if nothing as happened" especially because he had the means to go back now. Actually, it was evident in the books that he was quite conflicted about staying or leaving and his feelings for her, but ultimately only chosen to run away with Lucy Grey because with the missing guns threatening to upend his life at any moment, he was so sure that this would be the only way out for him.
Btw, I don't think his backstory is trying to make him likable, and honestly I'm so impressed with how the book managed to changed my thoughts "how can I hate this kid who's just trying to survive?" to "that's truly a disgusting and twisted way of thinking holy shit" by the end. The biggest thing the movies cut out from the books that I believe they should have kept, was his relationship with Sejanus's parents. The Plinths literally treated Snow like their second child, like cooking and packing him meals, things like that. So it makes his betrayal even more cruel in the books. And he basically only rose to power through the help of THEIR money, because they pretty much adopted him as their second son after losing Sejanus. And I can't remember exactly how, but he definitely was finding it easier and easier to justify his bad actions that just kept piling up after he crossed the line, so much so that there was no way back anymore. Thus, his descent into madness to who he was in Katniss's day.
Anyway, sorry for the long comment (I could write a whole book lol) but I hope this adds a bit of insight to the whole story bc I think it's super cool. I just love how it shows the origins of sooo many things - how the Games became the way they were (and how much of it was Snow's ideas), how the poisoning enemies started, the roses, etc.
Lucy said she didn't trust him anymore. No we aren't supposed to feel bad for him. He made his bed.
Ayy so glad you reacted to this! thanks for waiting to watch it with us! ❤️
Rachel Zegler(Lucy Gray Baird) won a Best Supporting Oscar for West Side Story. While the books were different than the film, it appears that in the movie both cousins are shaped very differently: Corrilanis is shaped by a legacy of his father, his Grandmother, and Capitol teachings while his cousin Tigress regardless of the effect of the Rebel bombings in the Conscience of the story which is not really seen again until Mockingjay. Even though her cousin was responsible for great evil, it must have been heartbreaking to know he was killed by the people since she loved him so. Thanks for the review!
You're the only person I've seen who's been lost on this movie, there was so much of it so clearly explained and portrayed. Maybe it's one of those movies you'll watch again and pick up on more? Lucy Gray's fate is the only part I'd say left us questions and that was on purpose, we're meant to wonder about her; and as for "what did she do?", she didn't do anything except save herself from Snow when she realised what he'd done to Sejanus and that he lied to her about it, Snow was the villain in that final sequence because he'd truly gone off the deep end.
Haymitch won in the 50th hunger games before Katniss's games
8:04 Cody you forgot about Haymitch!😅 he won the 50th
No hon, primrose looks nothing like now a days roses. They come in many colors but have far less petals. More like a wild violet or common violets, popping up in north american grassy areas, or african violet. But they are bigger in size
49:25 Its a game of trust. first red flag to hit lucy was the 3 deaths, then his choice of freedom thanks to the gun. U never really know someone and when they have options, things can change. Snow had one foot over both sides and at that moment he seemed like he was in it for the long game but lucys fear took over and everything went downhill from there 😢
She was the last loose end, she knew Coryo would do anything to go back to the capitol with a clear name.
"They never had a victor from District 12 until Katniss"
Haymitch: am I a joke to you
BTW this isn't a criticism towards your memory. I actually thought it was funny cause I pictured Haymitch taking a swig from his flask while giving you a judgy look.
lucy gray was testing corio she couldn’t trust him anymore after he said “my old self i killed him” in the book he has his monologue that he was really going to kill her. in order for them to put that in the movie they made lucy gray say except her as a test.
45:51 Baisically, Lucy Gray betrayed and left him at the end because Coryo said that killing three people was enough for a lifetime. As far as Lucy Gray was aware, Coryo had only killed two people: Bobbin (the one-armed tribute who tried to kill him and Sejanus in the arena) and Mayfair (the red-haired mayor’s daughter). Hearing that he actually killed someone else led to Lucy Gray putting two and two together and realizing he was the one who ratted out Sejanus and got him hanged. But the biggest issue about that was that he kept it a secret and lied to her when she questioned him. This showed Lucy Gray that Coryo didn’t trust her, and would always choose the path that led to success and power for himself, and that he would do anything to get there, including killing people. It was in that moment that she realized he couldn’t be trusted as well, and she had to get away from him. It further emphasizes how Snow was not, and has never been, a good person, permanently solidifying how much of a terrible person he is, so the ending is not meant to make us feel bad for Snow at all.
Hope this helps!
Can we all agree Lucy Gray Baird is ICONIC
You asked early on about how she could win and not be known in the district. In the book, Gall has all the evidence of the tenth hunger games destroyed because it was seen as a betrayal. This also benefits Snow because no one will know he cheated. So by Katniss’ time, they only know there’s been 2 winners. Haymitch, and someone way back that is more of a legend than anything (Lucy).
And widely believed to be dead by that point because nobody ever knows what happened to her.
My hope is she went somewhere and escaped Panem’s grasp, and lived a good life till an old age.
People are saying that Lucy Gray didn't betray Snow, but I think they both betrayed each other in some way.
They had 3 winners before Katniss: Haymitch, an old man who was described as too old and frail to be expected to attend the reaping, and a woman who had won so long ago that Katniss had no memory of her.
She left because she knew he was lying and that he’d killed 3 people. She no longer trusted him and was afraid he’d end up killing her. She saw his turning point into evil!
I'm a little late but I loved the video/reaction, as usual! Keep it up Cody
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Answering some questions!
-Yes, we don’t know what happened to Lucy Gray. No one knows if she died, made it to district 13, survived in the wilderness, no one knows.
-In the books, Dr. Gaul makes it so that this hunger games will never be aired and no one will remember it because of how messy it is, so everyone forgets about Lucy and no one thinks to check up on her.
-Snow did poison the Dean at the end which is a precursor to what Finnik says later on about how he deals in poison.
-Rachel Zegler filmed all of her singing live! She has been in theater for years and was Maria in the new West Wide Story Movie
-Sejanus was Snow’s third kill but Lucy didn’t know he had sent in that recording. So when she could tell Snow was lying she could no longer trust him which was what she said was more important than love. So she fled.
-The hanging tree song was about the rebel guy that they hung first, who they thought was responsible for a rebel bombing that killed three people.
Gonna be honest, to a bit there I was rooting for the lumberjack girl. She really put up a good fight
I haven't seen the movie, and I don't plan to because I can't stand Snow. Reading the book was more than enough.
Based on your confusion, it wasn't able to show Snow as he was: deplorable. He never really cared about Lucy. She was always only a means to an end, and then she was a "possession" to him at best. She fled at the end because she knew she was the last thing standing in his way for returning to the Capitol someday and that he would turn on her if she stayed. He also never really liked Sejanus and didn't understand why Sejanus wanted to be friends with him. He thought being associated with Sejanus, a rebel sympathizer, reflected poorly on him, which is why he turned him in later, to prove he's not like Sejanus.
I feel like at some point we need a Rachel Zegler/Hozier collab
I still can't get over the fact that some decades after the events of this movie, two parents named Everdeen looked at their newborn baby and thought:
"Let's call her swamp potato." 😂
13:45- Morphling
Ok clearly you didn’t get it if you still have questions
And that’s perfectly normal lol.
From the beginning, you know the end (of the entire storyline).
So technically Lucy did win but after, she kinda got erased and the capital tried to wipe her from everyone’s memory
Or she just ran away
Unfortunately the movie is not as clear as it could/should be, partly because this was a THICK book (1-1/2 times the size of Mockingjay, which they cut into 2 parts for the movie) and the director put some things out of order. I was confused too until I read the book. What the film didn't get across is that Lucy isn't trusting him anymore. Going *just off the movie:*
1) he told her he "just found out" he was going to officer training, but the way he says it so offhand she knows better, which is why she says back accusingly, "You were gonna leave;"
2) he tells her it doesn't matter what district he is in, if the gun is found, he'll hang, so _for that reason_ he will run away with her.
3) when they are in the woods and he says he killed 3 people instead of just the 2 Lucy Gray knew about, she presses him for an answer on who the third one was, and he takes too long and then gives her a b.s. answer by saying he killed the "old" version of himself to be with her
4) Lucy Gray is acting weirdly by the time they get to the cabin because she is not comfortable with him anymore; he has lied to her and kept things from her, and she has seen how quickly and easily he is able to kill (he shot the mayor's daughter without ANY hesitation)...and then he turns around with a gun in his hands. They have already had the discussion of whether or not he'd go back home if he had the chance, so she KNOWS he will. All he has to do is get rid of the gun and there is no evidence; Spruce is dead, Sejanus is dead, and with the gun gone, there are no more "loose ends" except for the last living witness...Lucy Gray.
Everyone focuses on how strangely she seems to be acting, but no one looks at the fact that Snow didn't just pick up the gun; he put it to his shoulder and has his finger near the trigger. He's holding it in a position that is ready to fire. And when he goes looking for her, her goes with the gun in hand, not left behind at the cabin. Lucy Gray is no fool, and she said she is living each day with one foot still in the arena. She recognizes Snow now as a man who kills easily, and survivor's instinct from the games would have made her run for it, but where is she going to go? She can't go back to the Covey, he'll find her there. All she knew was she had to get out of that cabin.
It's never clear about the snake. It's just as likely it crawled under the scarf after she dropped it...we don't even know if she left it behind on purpose. And clearly it wasn't venomous or he couldn't have gotten all the way back to the base. But that says a lot about his mindset and what he really thinks of her that his first thought is that she tried to kill him, and that she would _dare_ to do so "after everything I've done for you!"
The book is truly fascinating and I highly recommend it, but I stopped before the last 5 chapters on purpose so I wouldn't ruin the end of the movie for myself. Having finished the book afterward, I have to say the director made a LOT of really odd choices and is showing Snow in a more favorable light than the omniscient narrator of the novel does. Snow's inner thoughts are always what he can get out of every interaction he has, and he thinks and feels and talks about Lucy Gray as if she is a possession without ever taking her feelings into account. His thoughts at the cabin when he finds the gun are so damn dark that Lucy Gray was right to run.
Besides Lucy Gray, there was another victor before Katniss and Peeta (Haymitch, Katniss and Peetas mentor)
I was confused by the ending too, but from what I can tell I think Lucy started to not trust him anymore when she found out he was hiding guns in that house.
No he didn't hide the guns. The Spruce guy who shot Billy Taupe did. She stopped trusting him when he lied about the third person he killed. She figures it was Sejanus.
I am sure it had been mentioned but Haymitch was the first district 12 winner and then Katniss and Peeta
The thing about this movie it's pretty accurate to the book , They were worried that they were gonna over stuff it or maybe put it 2 parts But I think it works itself out my mom and me went to see if she hated it. But that's because she never read the book or underst end of meeting. The villain wins in the end.
Hmmm. I’m curious if we get another movie that we might see Haymitch’s story of how he won the last Quarter Quarell or what it was called. Since he won the 50th anniversary hunger games. He’s the only other winner from district 12 cause i think in Catching fire they mention Lucy not by name but as a winner that’s not alive anymore, i’m curious how things were back then before Haymitch became a mentor for District 12 candidates
Something missing from the film was the implication that Tigress has had to sell herself on at least one occasion to ensure the family's survival, how understanding she is of those who have to resort to that action, and the disgust that Snow feels toward those who have sold themselves. It's such a small point, but considering that Snow forces future victors into sexual slavery, it goes a long way toward explaining why Tigress turns so completely on Snow in the future.
12:58 in the book Lucy Gray kills Wovey and not Dill. I do think movie Wovey death was heartbreaking, but imagine Katniss killing accidentally Rue. That's basically what happens to Lucy Gray in the books
There's a theory that when Lucy gray disappeared she went back to her family in 12 and ended up marrying someone and had a baby which went on to be katniss's father but the logic of her going back to 12 after the situation is not really there and they're like oh I feel like she's got to be quote unquote related to katniss so maybe her 'cousin' Maude Ivory who is known for being able to memorize a song the first time she hears it is the grandma and another theory on supercarlinbrothers says that they believe she gave up all coloring music and basically became a dictator like him to get revenge BUT the ages don't really line up cuz I feel like coin might have been in her 50s but not any were close to Snows age
Merry Christmas Cody
Those of us who reas the book don't know what happened to Lucy Gray either, the only One who knows the answer is Suzanne Collins, I had the same feeling as you when i finished the book, i guess she did it in purpose 😅😅😅😅💞 and some fans we have the theory that Maude Ivory is descendant of Katniss btw love this reaction!!! 💓
I saw this movie last friday and it was a absolutely fantastic prequel to the hunger games movies and books i did read the book first before the movie and i gotta say the cast in this movie was phanemonal including rachel zegler's portrayal as lucy even though she is receiving backlash on social media right now but i still enjoyed her performance though my one criticism on her acting as lucy is her southern accent in my personal opinion the accent could've been better
LOL reading the book it didn't take long to explain the title Lucy was a songbird and sure she liked snakes but I doubt it was her snakes that were the reason for that part recall snow had a thing for using toxins POISON but the snakes the capitol had well that's venom
poison- it bites you & you die (ingestion)
venom- you bite it & you die (injection)
That's TOTALLY AWESOME!!!😎
I loved this movie! I hope they do at least one or two more. One about the very first hunger games and another about the dark days.
The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes exceeds the very little expectations I had for this movie!
The story line was so well done. It was so neat seeing the different time setting for this movie, and seeing it from the Capitol's perspective. I have seen this movie 4 times, and every time I have watched it, I notice some small details that I missed the last time I watched it. Francis Lawrence's attention to tiny details is a reason why I love this movie so much.
The acting in this movie was spectacular! While I originally hated the decision to cast Tom Blyth as Snow (Because I personally wanted Adam Driver), he knocked it out of the park! He did such a good job at portraying so many different emotions in multiple scenes. Rachel Zegler did a great job as Lucy Gray Baird. Some of her facial expressions managed to make you tear up, and she had a lovely singing voice as well. Viola Davis arguably gave the best performance however. She was very cartoony, but very serious at the same time. Was not expecting a whole lot from her, but she stole the show IMO. Peter Dinklage is not getting enough credit for his performance IMO. His character had so many layers, and Peter did a great job at portraying all of them in multiple scenes.
While there were not a whole lot of action scenes, the film's screenplay and acting was so good, that the movie did not need very many of them. I loved the film's tone so much as well!
I do not think there needs to be another movie in the Hunger Games series. The movies have run their course, and they were all good! The only thing I would maybe like to see from this franchise, is a series about the Hunger Games that weren't shown, and see how they started, and how the games got much more complex and innovated as the years went on. It is really the only thing left this series has to offer IMO.
Overall, The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes is a hauntingly great movie, that features stellar acting, and some great small details!
Out of 4 stars I would give it...
4 out of 4 stars
I saw it 3 times in cinema
Cool! I've been wanting to see it again
@@forlornhauntedghost do it it is worth it
No loose ends
Snow is my fav Character in this movie ❄️🌨️🌨️🌨️❄️❄️❄️
31:47 good question!
answer: absolutely nothing
Very amazing characters.
For people who are saying Snow was always evil. Is his evilness genetic...since his dad was also evil?
I love this movie
Same and excited he watched it