Love this video. There is a vlogger that I watch who is fairly good at theory, so he often talks about "I am mixing here." He plays in games that require NO mixing whatsoever. I have tried to convince him in comments that this is unnecessary in low limit live cash games, but he doesn't get it.
wow im a 25 nl player and i made all the same mistakes as this guy postflop and i would have made one more, but i was better preflop, thanks, i understand a bit better now on how to fast play ! that helps me a lot.
I think you're wrong about the first hand. Investing like 7bb into a pot of 2.5 needs direct fold odds of like 73%. I understand poker has a post flop, skill edge post, etc, but let's continue - There's a guy sitting in the big blind with 30 bigs, probably ready to shove any pocket pair, ats+. Plus spew. Even though recs limp wide, they also have tons of traps, they can be limping tt+, aq+. Not to mention they're incredibly sticky. Both recs can be prone to spew, which increases the likelyhood they'll shove pre. Let's say you have 40% fold equity. Let's say 25% of time, either one of the two players raise your iso, to which you will fold. That's +1bb in fold equity, and -1.625bb(times you get raised) So right away, assuming the above, you'll be 'starting' at a -0.625bb deficit(from point of action) that you need to overcome to make your play better than just calling pre. Where exactly are you making your profit here by raising to 7bb pre, and how can you justify it being better than just calling pre? Here's a little more information for you - KJo is only profitable for 0.4bb when it folds around to you in the sb, and it's your turn to act. With two players(literally 2x the amount of players) with shove heavier ranges, you now think your Kjo can be more profitable than if it got folded around to you on the sb? This would only be true if utg's investment was dead money... it's far from dead money, it's actually money that makes your iso investment dead money often times.
You made a lot of assumptions about recs in general that i don't think you can make. Also, putting in the big raise is about getting more money in with the better range. It has nothing to do with preflop fold equity.
@@MaydayAggro How can I not make assumptions about recs when I observe them everyday? How does preflop fold equity not matter? I'd wager Akshar would make this exact play with 65s, or 98s, etc, removing the 'money in with the better range argument'.
I suppose it's decided then. Let's just iso to 100x pot. Fold equity was irrelevant all along. If he gets it in... well we had a stronger range... and we want to get money in with a stronger range.
@@jeegee-cx7ss "65s or 98s" - do you not understand that it's still a better range? If you said he'd do it with 94o and 72o, then that argument would make sense. You don't play recs to get them to fold pre unless their leak is specifically that they play too few hands. That's rarely a rec's leak. It's usually "plays way too many hands pre and plays fit or fold post." "You need 73% folds" means you are ignoring MOST of the way you earn money from recs - postflop folds and call downs with subpar hands. So you want to get as much money in the pot as possible while they're calling. "100x pot" is just worthless hyperbole because 1. you rarely have that much and 2. villain will almost never call that much unless you are behind. The best outcome for a pfr is for the regs to fold and recs to call. You want to bet as much as they'll consistently call with a weaker range because that makes much more money than forcing them to fold pre - but you know this.
About the "RNG is silly" - what about if I know its a mix in theory and I don't know my enemy? Probably not a good idea to try finding any reason why betting could be better than checking while I multitable and potentially lose more signifikant EV on another table
You’re not playing Linus and davyjones bud. In low stakes cash where everyone has big leaks / unbalances in their strategies one line will almost always be better than the other
@@jarirepo1172this is plain wrong. If you don’t have a clear exploit you should try to play balanced, if you pick your favourite option pure because you know its mixed you will be getting exploited often
Really nice video! Would have made a lot of the same mistakes 😅 sad that we cant see what villain had in the AJ hand because i would have been too scared to jam as well
This video was amazing do more together pls❤❤ One question what do the percentages after the names mean? Is that how much equity the range has or something?
It’s how much equity each hand has at that point in the hand. It’s calculate vs the specific hand of the opponent. If the opponents hand is unknown I believe it’s calculated vs a range of any 2 cards, which obv isn’t all that helpful.
Well, since you will score everyone the same way it does not matter much, but I feel a twinge when I know most of the time no one can even get perfect 10 / 10 score or even near since obvious spots can get around 7 at max.
Guys in the comments chill out.. I play nl500-1k and doing well, and I def agree with most of what these coaches say in this video. So If you are micro players or live players, better listen then argue when you are probably the one in the wrong.
I used to feel bad for the suckers who bought your products thinking they would get good at poker. But now I feel more sorry for you two that you're so trapped in a bubble you really are deluded enough to think you're good at poker in the 2024 era. I'll give an example. On the 88 hand (Q87) you think defence ranges are inelastic to size "the hands that are calling are calling bigger anyway". This is 2010 level logic. Everyone these days knows if you bet small they will have to defend AT and KJ etc with no BDFD but fold these to a bigger size. Then same hand otr you both say jamming is the only play. When checking is a fine (actually prefered) option too and will be better against real people who won't check back K highs and below enough
Yeah it’s strange Pete shows the graphs of some coaches but then doesn’t for the rest - obviously Akshar and others don’t have good results or he would show it
To be completely honest, i only watched 3 hands in and i cant watch anymore. If this is what players are learning from, the games will be unreal juicy forever. Hand 1 Advising players to cr KJ in a limped pot vs bb lead 3way is lighting money on fire, yes hero should have isoed pf but post is check call as played, bb range is extremely 2 pair heavy and utg call isnt great either. Hand 2 was played well, having any raising in position after flopping top set in 3b pot is a huge punt. 3rd hand only mistale is bet sizing. But pls continue have the bad advice, adding at least 2-5bb+ per 100 win rate any great reg
On hand 1, you may be underestimating the level of mergey bets from the BB shortstack and the stickiness with any pair in the UTG shortstack call range?
Hand 2, fish BB 3bet range and pot flop is super strong. Given this and how dynamic the board is I respectfully disagree that raise is a punt. It sounds like you have a rigid rule in your head to never raise IP in a 3bet pot. I think that’s a good rule in general but should be willing to be flexible on that when the situation might require it.
@@mcdaidmark im never married to any idea, but 100bb deep raising ip any hand you have locked down in 3bet pot is a punt. When they fold their bluff or weaker hand. Hows the looking???
@@Alexandertygreatthe point is they have very few bluffs in this spot (Fish BB 3bet, pot flop) so you are crafting your strategy vs a very small part of their range. Plus you risk the board changing and you don’t get the rest of their stack. Maybe you disagree that their range is very value heavy? Or that the board is very dynamic?
@@TheLazarussLedd Except you're changing the scoring rules. Players all signed up for it, and knew the rules. You going to start complaining how American football is scored too now?
Love this video. There is a vlogger that I watch who is fairly good at theory, so he often talks about "I am mixing here." He plays in games that require NO mixing whatsoever. I have tried to convince him in comments that this is unnecessary in low limit live cash games, but he doesn't get it.
There are a few streamers that do this that come to mind as well.
It’s cause they suck
wow im a 25 nl player and i made all the same mistakes as this guy postflop and i would have made one more, but i was better preflop, thanks, i understand a bit better now on how to fast play ! that helps me a lot.
It's great to hear people that are better than me say the same shit I have been saying about gto since I heard about it...
big fan of you two discussing poker together. great video thank you
love the frequent uploads!
I think you're wrong about the first hand.
Investing like 7bb into a pot of 2.5 needs direct fold odds of like 73%. I understand poker has a post flop, skill edge post, etc, but let's continue -
There's a guy sitting in the big blind with 30 bigs, probably ready to shove any pocket pair, ats+. Plus spew.
Even though recs limp wide, they also have tons of traps, they can be limping tt+, aq+. Not to mention they're incredibly sticky.
Both recs can be prone to spew, which increases the likelyhood they'll shove pre.
Let's say you have 40% fold equity. Let's say 25% of time, either one of the two players raise your iso, to which you will fold.
That's +1bb in fold equity, and -1.625bb(times you get raised)
So right away, assuming the above, you'll be 'starting' at a -0.625bb deficit(from point of action) that you need to overcome to make your play better than just calling pre.
Where exactly are you making your profit here by raising to 7bb pre, and how can you justify it being better than just calling pre?
Here's a little more information for you -
KJo is only profitable for 0.4bb when it folds around to you in the sb, and it's your turn to act.
With two players(literally 2x the amount of players) with shove heavier ranges, you now think your Kjo can be more profitable than if it got folded around to you on the sb? This would only be true if utg's investment was dead money... it's far from dead money, it's actually money that makes your iso investment dead money often times.
You made a lot of assumptions about recs in general that i don't think you can make. Also, putting in the big raise is about getting more money in with the better range. It has nothing to do with preflop fold equity.
@@MaydayAggro How can I not make assumptions about recs when I observe them everyday?
How does preflop fold equity not matter?
I'd wager Akshar would make this exact play with 65s, or 98s, etc, removing the 'money in with the better range argument'.
I’ve played since 1997, and I’m 52 now, I enjoy your intense breakdown. It’s really fuking funny dude
I suppose it's decided then. Let's just iso to 100x pot. Fold equity was irrelevant all along. If he gets it in... well we had a stronger range... and we want to get money in with a stronger range.
@@jeegee-cx7ss "65s or 98s" - do you not understand that it's still a better range? If you said he'd do it with 94o and 72o, then that argument would make sense. You don't play recs to get them to fold pre unless their leak is specifically that they play too few hands. That's rarely a rec's leak. It's usually "plays way too many hands pre and plays fit or fold post." "You need 73% folds" means you are ignoring MOST of the way you earn money from recs - postflop folds and call downs with subpar hands. So you want to get as much money in the pot as possible while they're calling. "100x pot" is just worthless hyperbole because 1. you rarely have that much and 2. villain will almost never call that much unless you are behind. The best outcome for a pfr is for the regs to fold and recs to call. You want to bet as much as they'll consistently call with a weaker range because that makes much more money than forcing them to fold pre - but you know this.
30:34 before looking : 10s or jacks
Edit : oops…
About the "RNG is silly" - what about if I know its a mix in theory and I don't know my enemy? Probably not a good idea to try finding any reason why betting could be better than checking while I multitable and potentially lose more signifikant EV on another table
You’re not playing Linus and davyjones bud. In low stakes cash where everyone has big leaks / unbalances in their strategies one line will almost always be better than the other
@TheOnlyToast Even if you dont know about opponent you should have some idea about pool in general
If you don't know which line is better, mixing does not matter either.
@@jarirepo1172this is plain wrong. If you don’t have a clear exploit you should try to play balanced, if you pick your favourite option pure because you know its mixed you will be getting exploited often
@@teeraw4575you should read the comment before replying. He said about spots you DON’T KNOW which action is better, even if one always is
This is just a video that's been clipped from a previous Carrot Corner stream.
nothing gets past you, does it?
@@crzytimes1 🤣
Really nice video! Would have made a lot of the same mistakes 😅 sad that we cant see what villain had in the AJ hand because i would have been too scared to jam as well
20:40 WHAT did he have? omg what did he have???
This video was amazing do more together pls❤❤
One question what do the percentages after the names mean? Is that how much equity the range has or something?
It’s how much equity each hand has at that point in the hand. It’s calculate vs the specific hand of the opponent. If the opponents hand is unknown I believe it’s calculated vs a range of any 2 cards, which obv isn’t all that helpful.
@@mcdaidmark aah okayy.. thank u
If people needed solvers to tell em to mix up their play then... 100% agree with not using rng
Great analysis. I wish Akshar had a better mic.
Well, since you will score everyone the same way it does not matter much, but I feel a twinge when I know most of the time no one can even get perfect 10 / 10 score or even near since obvious spots can get around 7 at max.
Guys in the comments chill out.. I play nl500-1k and doing well, and I def agree with most of what these coaches say in this video. So If you are micro players or live players, better listen then argue when you are probably the one in the wrong.
I ❤ u carrot man!! you are the best company every night!!
Pete is a married man I’m afraid
Show Akshars graph
I used to feel bad for the suckers who bought your products thinking they would get good at poker.
But now I feel more sorry for you two that you're so trapped in a bubble you really are deluded enough to think you're good at poker in the 2024 era.
I'll give an example. On the 88 hand (Q87) you think defence ranges are inelastic to size "the hands that are calling are calling bigger anyway". This is 2010 level logic. Everyone these days knows if you bet small they will have to defend AT and KJ etc with no BDFD but fold these to a bigger size.
Then same hand otr you both say jamming is the only play. When checking is a fine (actually prefered) option too and will be better against real people who won't check back K highs and below enough
Is this guy playing Ignition 25z?
These hands seem like it
Btw I posted that as the 2nd hand developed and later they said it was 25 Iggy.
Patel is tough hahha… fun to watch this tho
this video is simply a joke alongside with coaches who cant beat nl200
Yeah it’s strange Pete shows the graphs of some coaches but then doesn’t for the rest - obviously Akshar and others don’t have good results or he would show it
I want to know what school you attended where a 56% was a C! 😉
To be completely honest, i only watched 3 hands in and i cant watch anymore. If this is what players are learning from, the games will be unreal juicy forever. Hand 1 Advising players to cr KJ in a limped pot vs bb lead 3way is lighting money on fire, yes hero should have isoed pf but post is check call as played, bb range is extremely 2 pair heavy and utg call isnt great either. Hand 2 was played well, having any raising in position after flopping top set in 3b pot is a huge punt. 3rd hand only mistale is bet sizing. But pls continue have the bad advice, adding at least 2-5bb+ per 100 win rate any great reg
On hand 1, you may be underestimating the level of mergey bets from the BB shortstack and the stickiness with any pair in the UTG shortstack call range?
Hand 2, fish BB 3bet range and pot flop is super strong. Given this and how dynamic the board is I respectfully disagree that raise is a punt. It sounds like you have a rigid rule in your head to never raise IP in a 3bet pot. I think that’s a good rule in general but should be willing to be flexible on that when the situation might require it.
@@mcdaidmark im never married to any idea, but 100bb deep raising ip any hand you have locked down in 3bet pot is a punt. When they fold their bluff or weaker hand. Hows the looking???
@@Alexandertygreatthe point is they have very few bluffs in this spot (Fish BB 3bet, pot flop) so you are crafting your strategy vs a very small part of their range. Plus you risk the board changing and you don’t get the rest of their stack.
Maybe you disagree that their range is very value heavy? Or that the board is very dynamic?
How you gonna give guy a 7 for perfectly played hand?
Would you give someone a 10 for folding 72o utg?
@@PhonyBologna yes, what else? Not players fault that you picked simple hand to score...
@@TheLazarussLedd Except you're changing the scoring rules. Players all signed up for it, and knew the rules.
You going to start complaining how American football is scored too now?