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The trick with the millions of views is to get the people irritated so much with the content, that they are compelled to leave a negative comment. This increases engagement and the video is shown to more people. And so on. 🤭
@@operator8014 you can bring back the dislike button if you install an add-on extension called Return RUclips Dislike. I think there are large enough group of users that the database now works great. You get to see the dislikes and also give a dislike.
As someone else pointed out, the reason that those shorts get popular is EXACTLY because of those bad welds. They know most people, even if not knowledgeable in welding, can see some absolutely bad welds. They KNOW this will make people want to correct the short and comment. This all drives engagement up, thus more views, more earnings, and so on.
You wouldn't believe the "real" welders that give these turds a glowing comment . I call them out every time and boy do they get pissed. And I have only been a hobby welder for a few years
@@willardlentz3044 Don't do that. You're only helping them. It might be frustrating, but the best thing you can do is ignore them or correct them in videos like this one. Never engage.
Brother I'm a TIG welder at SpaceX and I still send people to your channel when they ask about learning the trade. You have a much better head for training than I and you're more practical than I would be. Keep up the good work.
As a certified IWE, I can say that there are standards and regulations precisely for such connections. These specifications for the various connection types are then used as the basis for calculating the overall structures in terms of their structural integrity (strength verification). There are a large number of really technically sensible and mechanically comprehensible reasons for not unnecessarily complicating such types of connection. For example, it is no longer possible to precisely determine the load-bearing capacity of this connection, as the base material has been unnecessarily weakened and force flows are obstructed (all these weld seams in the middle of the profile), which leads to multi-axial stress states in the profile cross-section that do not occur with correct design (left side). Many thanks for this video!
Good! I hadn't considered the calculation part yet. It makes sense that cutting away all the material negatively impacts the mechanical properties. Weld seams are usually the weak point with added risks of introducing imperfections. It looks more like a carpentry joint. It makes sense there I guess.
@@leegarnier9396no, it doesn't make sense in carpentry either. With wood, once you cut it, it stays that weak; you can't weld it back together to restore even a semblance of the strength it had before.
@@jjwagnell true, but the key is that it "looks" like a wood joint to the untrained eye. It's trying to combine the most eye catching elements of metal and wood joinery regardless of whether it's actually strong, or cost effective, or time effective, or...
T, K and Y connections per code. You would also have to take into consideration the z loss from the lack of penetration at the skewed joint and properly measure your leg lengths.
The topic is far more complicated than anyone here seems to be appreciating. What matters is what forces the connection AND the members have to transfer and how that shear will flow through those members and the welds. There's a good reason why we don't use butt joints on hollow tube section that are resisting moment, because the unreinforced walls of the tube will buckle out of plane. Or for connections with large axial forces because you can't achieve enough length of weld to develop that force. Now don't get me wrong, I would never spec a silly let-in joint like was being portrayed in the "tiktok" example, that's just aesthetic complication, but for many cases a simple mitered butt joint is equally inefficient. Simple is not always better, it's just cheaper...
Its flashy stupidity, and prodigious use of the FF feature of course. There is value in good production, but the dumbing down of the world and especially America is becoming our undoing.
Well, context and corrections are difficult to understand, bigoted, and harrassment, so we need to keep people safe from them by making the algorithms and ui design hide them as much as possible. At least, according to silicon valley...
They're getting paid for a service. Advertisement is a mining business, and human attention is the raw resource being extracted and sold. Stupidity and irritation is just one more extraction method, like strip mining.
Been welding for over 25 years. Have the best education available. Fully appreciate your videos. It's good to to see an actual fabricator fabricating. You deserve a million views. I used to ask my welding students, have you ever looked up something you know a lot about on Google? How much of that information was accurate. It works the same for stuff you don't know much about....most of the info is crap.
It can be truly shocking the absolute nonsense, misinformation and lies that is put out as 'factual'. Sometimes the worst or most dangerous is the 'health' stuff that can have serious consequences. On the internet, anyone can dress up how they want and call themselves whatever they want.
Hey man! Hobby welder here, big fan of your channel and learnt a lot from your videos over the years😁. Very satisfying to hear you rip on these clickbait channels haha. Thanks for all your work🙏💪
I've seen these shorts an thought exactly as you did, that and the idiots who can't control their heat and stack a heap of tacks together and call it a weld. The world is full of idiots.
Hey, slag mountain puddle man here, and fuck you, that shit holds. But I'm also not claiming I'm good. Or that I would trust my welds. I don't, I just have no fear. Maybe my Honda motor falls out of the bike frame I sprayed fluxcore and prayed, maybe it gets all the way to the crack dealers house, we'll fucking see.
I am sure glad you are personally narrating your videos. I've always got useful information watching them over the years, but now with the narration, it makes it so much better. Keep them coming!
I think you should make your own shorts, if you “can’t beat them join em!”. You can show them how to do it properly! And make these other guys look like idiots at the same time. I’m an editor. I can have a crack at turning this video into a short if you like?
I love this idea. Just flip it around. I'd love to see the iconic glove wag at the stupid over complicated joint and show the simple joint with the thumbs up.
@@6061 Shorts are great, I'd just advise to open a 2nd channel just for the shorts because the algorithm of your regular videos will start clashing with the algorithm generated by the new shorts videos. Also the shorts could be reposted on instagram and tiktok so I think its a great move just gotta be careful with how youtube handles the algorithm.
I've seen those shorts, and you are correct, they do those joints because they don't know how to weld. Stitch welding prevents penetration, and so, of course, they have to have other crazy ways to increase the weld length and tie the pieces together. Your methods make so much more sense and are so much easier. Keep up the good work!!
You literally one of the best welders on RUclips for years and years don't even worry about it the gimmick s*** will die off it's just riding the wave your stuff is real knowledge and timeless
Finally someone that knows his stuff talks about this shit. even though I've always done it the way you teach, it's good for the newbies out there. so thanks alot
I absolutely agree with you. RUclips is getting packed with people that post videos proudly showing the wrong way to do things. I am a retired EE and it is atrocious the amount of wrong minded crap there is on YT. Your videos are excellent because you are not only are a master class welder but you also present the logic and thought processes that make you a master class welder. Thank you for posting.
What's being criticized reminds me of those videos where they set themselves up to "fail" doing it more or less correctly, then use a dangerous hack as the "right" way, like connecting copper to aluminum.
The fake electronic videos are disgraceful. There are examples showing how to build an inverter that will supposedly deliver kilowatts with just a few components. If it works at all it will deliver a horrible square wave, a ton of EMI and just a few watts of output with no voltage regulation. It's more likely to burn your house down than to power anything useful.
Training A&P mechanic here, you sir are a breath of fresh air. So many people put out jacked up content, but it's clear you put in some TLC for your content. Glad to see another man who respects his own craft and work.
I don't think I'm the core audience for this channel, but as a DM for TTRPGs just knowing small bits of what people actually do is incredible so thank you for making real knowledge publically available.
The more of a tubing joint that is intact and not part of a weld joint the stronger the resultant part will be. I've seen an old guide on permissible types of joints used in tubular space frames for aircraft. None of the joints involved completely welding around any one piece of tubing . Every tube in a joint had an unwelded section that was unaffected by heat to retain its original strength. Where necessary , gusset plates were welded to the joints to add strength.
@@thomasdalton1508 I believe it's meant as in "the section of pipe hasn't been exposed to the extreme heat required to liquify metal which can interrupt the metal's treatment and forging process"
@@tomd8198 Unfortunatelly, as a strucutural engineer you CANT TELL anyone anything - show the reasearch, explain the process by providing the reasoning/argument, give me a video that proves it or prove it yurself. The argument from authority should not be used in engineering and science.
My mom literally sends me ever crazy Facebook "hack" that show all these crazy joints. I can't imagine a scenario where I would want to use a crazy fit up like that. Good vid as usual bro!
I have seen some of the same shorts and my take is similar - actual fabricators have a simpler and more reliable way of doing things. As for the shorts, I view them as more artistic in nature. It is nice to see alternative ways of attacking a problem, even if they're not always feasible,
Its unfortunate about the views. A huge part of the problem is people's short attention span. I haven't seen this short, but have a good idea of the garage that you're talking about. I have been a subscriber to your channel for years, and I subscribed to your website years ago just because it was a way to support you for what I knew was high quality information. Those are the type of viewers that you have, the ones who understand what true craftsmanship is, and are willing to invest time into improving their own knowledge and skill set. I'm just starting to learn myself, and am so thankful to people like you, Ron Cowell, Wray schelin, Justin Merrill,and all the rest of the great craftsmen who are willing to take the time to share their knowledge, as I'm sure the rest of your viewers are as well.
I haven’t welded since high school with a few exceptions. That said, over complicating any work just to make yourself look better than someone else is vapid and ignorant. You teach how to weld, instead of how to be smug. Keep being you, I’m following.
the algorithm rewards rage-bait above all else, and its a tale as old as the internet, "if you want the right answer to your question, just post the wrong one, and wait for the corrections". Thanks for years of amazing content though brother. You've always been an inspiration, and pushed me to improve my own skills.
Been building stuff for a while. The only time I have done some some of those odd "technics" is when building metal furniture, that's it. All those shown on board panda and the like are horrible for structural applications. Definitely agree with the video. Definitely a big thanks for showing people how to actually weld easily and efficiently!
Your beveling is, in my humble opinion, a great habit to get into. It increases the fusion zone & eliminates filings that could affect the finished welding. You could also argue their silly joint increases the HAZ zone unnecessarily & wastes time, material, purging gas, etc. Nothing about welding aluminum is cheap or easy.
I have watched hundreds of fabrication videos and I think maybe this is the first time I have seen a miter gauge being used on a metal cutting band saw! Kudos, sir! p.s. You are the best at teaching and telling it like it is.
I am a software engineer and I love watching these videos of welders and engineers as we have the same issue in software where we have too much fancy crap going on.
As someone who has worked a lot with CAD stuff, I can imagine cutting out a shape into the beam would help when it comes to positioning them as you wouldn't need to take measurement, they would fit right in like puzzle pieces. Especially on a large assembly where saving a few minute would mean a lot down the line. Though, this assumes it was all cut down to size automatically in CNC machines or something. If you have to cut it down manually, then yeah, you wouldn't save any time. Alternatively, if an assembly is complex and slots aren't possible, I've designed a few rigs for the welding team. they were quite happy about it.
Sadly I got a drawing from an engineer with some of that Tiktock fabrication crap. I did not follow the drawing and had a talk with the engineer afterwards about what’s being said in the video here.
Hey Aaron, Good job and I can say you are right on. Simple is almost always the best. And your TIG Button is the best welding tool I have in my shop. I've had three of them on three different machine and they work flawlessly, especially on aircraft fuselages with thin wall 4130 tube upside down. 🙂 Thanks, John B.
The YT short mentioned is complicated but also compromised in structural strength. I would like to see a structural engineer calculate the stress in that completed structure. Cheers.
Been watching your videos for years, but haven't watched much lately and ive watched 2 of your latest videos today and i am COMPLETELY blown away by the fact that you actually have a voice😂😂😂😅
I weld up a lot of square tubing for various structures and the welds have to be ground and polished flush with the parent metal. I feel much more confident putting a weld bevel on in order to ensure complete penetration without having to worry about either IP or burn through. By grinding down the weld cap it is also a quick way to find out how you are doing with controlling porosity. I generally like to use a 45-degree bevel. What is your preference?
It's sad really, I think many young people just see the "dumb ass shit" doom-scrolling for hours, Instead of watching a whole video of yours or Ron Covell for that matter.
Do you have a fiber laser welding video? I'm about to buy a bunch of them, and I would love to see some practical old school welder demonstrations to use in training. If you don't have one and you intend to be in the business of welding service, you should get one. Maybe you can show a use case where TIG, GMAW, RSW, FSW, or SMAW is better in some way than FLW.
I served a mechanical apprenticeship. Although I worked in a machine shop, we all did the first year basics. The welding module drilled into us "do the shortest weld".
Don't forget to drill your weep holes in tubing when / if closing it up. The heat and pressure buildup is quick! Thanks for the educational videos, they're great! 👨🏭🤓
As a lifetime member of the K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid) club I fully agree with you Aaron. Too many overcomplicated "this is the only (or best) way to do such and such a joint" videos out there.
I’m liking the fact that you’re promoting the website, any small business owner knows how much goes into setting that up. In fact I can’t believe it’s so cheap. More people need to check out this website. Hi from oz
Sometimes "overcomplicated" welds are required. But this is not such case. If you however find yourself near high pressure piping entering pressure vessel you may find stress relief saddles. Or you may not - some vessels are thick enough (or openings are small enough).
I dont no why this video was in my "timeline", but i was hoping to see at least a stress-test. I mean everything you say i believe is right, because don't over-complicate things, but i also like to see if the other side gains at least one point?
Bit of a problem is that RUclips doesn't care, if engagements you get are positive or negative, so they are just rage bating people to comment and dislike or to show clueless people something "cool" who don't know any better.
Honestly, I am shocked this kind of thing is even out there, apparently. I don't even weld and this just popped into my feed, but I would have _always_ thought you'd do it like on the left, not the right. That's what I've seen in every "welded" thing ever, like bike frames, etc. . First thing I thought was "YIPES ... cutting a notch like that is likely gonna make that other piece weak and break right there at that thin part!" Then also thinking about the extra work ... seriously, WHY would you make extra work that's _also_ counterproductive to the job?! The scary part is that there are now likely things actually out there actually made like this by some kid watching RUclips as his "welding teacher" (which is not to say that ALL of it is bad, after all your own video is here but I see ~63K views as of now and I suspect that those videos get way more - the real quality stuff doesn't get the views). This shit is going to get real people really hurt if not even k1lled. This is no fucking joke. Building things is not a joke if that thing is anything more than a toy and may bear serious weight/force and be used to do serious things. If something breaks ...
I've never welded before, however I learned to solder at a young age doing electronic/electrical work (soldering guns and temp controlled soldering stations). However I did under take soldering with a propane torch in assembling the copper plumbing lines beneath my darkroom sink. Of the some 15-20 joints I soldered only "one joint leaked" when I pressure tested it. I fixed it. Everything was good. The video you showed was excellent, cutting the mating piece at the required angle and not "the ragged" cut into the 2nd part. Much neater joint and less time.
Hey Aaron! I just subscribed to your online programme yesterday , very informative content, thank you!. Can you please go over 3mm T-joints in more detail? It’s really difficult and I just can’t get a smooth consistent bead, I find it really hard to join the two plates without stuffing rod in there then it spatters. The puddle doesn’t form and the ark wonders at the start between the top and bottom plate. I have sent you an email with more detail and pictures of my progress after about 10 hours on this joint with not much success. The other joints I find no problem.
As a MIG and TIG fabricator, this dude is the TRUTH. He's been spitting the truth for years without any voice overs, just pure skill, talent and practice given for free. He'll smoke my welding any day. Guess the hack pretenders finally pissed him off enough to use his given voice to express his frustration at the watering down of a once beautiful media for free information exchange. Thank you for your videos, I appreciate learning from master craftsmen on youtube when money is not their end goal for uploading.
Yes I've seen those stupid videos. And many other dumbass ideas when it comes to welding. Common sense isn't common at all. Real welders like us just get the shit done and move on. Time is money.
I think its because they get rewarded way more easily by spreading misinformation and clickbait The current trend is to make "content" for the algorithms, in stead of for "people" I find it disgusting but sadly most of us are powerless to stop it Please keep up the good work, the world needs more people like you
We do have some power, by giving comments or even looking up and sharing actual education videos the engagement would go up and they would get recommended more often then not
An absolute super skill being able to weld (anything) correctly, especially Al. The trouble is there are so many BS videos, especially shorts showing some funky BS as you indicate and u just can't teach anything properly in 60sec. If one's attention span though is just 60 sec or less, then good luck learning anything. Great video! But the crazy thing is what you have demonstrated is just common sense, something which is taking on the definition of "rarity" these days. In 1980, I was taught how to weld. We did the welds, cut them open, diamond paste polished surfaces, acid etched, microscopic examination etc. understanding Hydrogen flaking etc. Later vertical, upside down, crazy angles etc. Anyone can get a welder nowadays, doesn't mean you know what you are doing. Love the web site title!
Personally I definately enjoy your proper welding vs the "clickbait" welding out there, for someone even slightly familiar with welding its quite easy to spot a real vs fake welding tip, whereas i do believe most views on the fake videos are from either bots, or people who don't know how to weld at all. Great job and keep it up!
I never called me a good welder. I done it as a pro for over 20 years. This shorts make me think there is more than one thing wrong in the world of welding. i like your work , ceep on doing! greetings from germany
I came here from an other youtuber, this old tony if I remember correctly, but I gotta say I was surprized when I saw the viewing numbers, they were definitly low. That was like at least a week and a half ago, I subbed but didnt get any video of yours in my main page. But, this has recomended 3 times. Hope this gets better traction ❤❤ we have an efficiency challange team at the uni, we kinda rely on aluminum fabrication for a lot of parts and there is so much misinformation in the youtube. so, you are a gold mine if not a diamond mine.
I'm going into Airframe and Powerplant and really appreciate your videos and instruction..Will be going in with a good knowledge base on how to properly weld aluminum correctly..Thank you.
Great video, there is so much misinformation on welding and fabricating these days due to social media. I personally always bevel both tubes when doing butt joints like you did because as stated in the video it increases weld penetration thus making the joint stronger.
Best welding channel I’ve seen, especially when it comes to aluminum. I am a beginning welder and paid the subscription as I want to be able to TIg weld like that.
I just want to let you know that I found your video very informative and very well explained. I've never played with the TIG process. pretty much an oxy-fuel guy. As a hobby blacksmith I don't need to do all that much welding. most of my stuff is just utilitarian. but very well-done video
I’m fighting all these fake welders who teach bad habits and dangerous procedures to the helpless community of RUclips. They always teach you some technique that nobody else want to teach you or even don’t want you to know. They are nothing but scammers! Please, keep going with your true and honest contents, we appreciate your work!
You’re awesome brotha. I will respectfully never click on those click bait ads for B.S. welding. Cheers from the Deep South where we weld anything from the crack a dawn to a broken heart 🍻 🇺🇸
Wow. The well founded rant was a quite the contrast to your old school silent videos. Long time subscriber here - your web site is full of gold. Highly recommend it :)
Kudos, regardless of the other channel doing it the wrong way to attract attention, you'll also get equally as much attention by correcting them and you're doing a good thing. I am very tired of watching videos that purposely do thing wrong or differently for no benefit, and literally consider them click bait.
I hear comments help people get more views. I've been watching your RUclips for years. You're always providing quality content. One I always remember is the pumpkin you made. Super cool. I also learned a neat little trick from you for tacking aluminum 👍
Your videos are absolutely appreciated, don't always have time to watch but they're saved into catalog of when I get my hands on some tools and space brother.
"This stupid @$$ joint..." I love that you can hear you actively losing your chill as you're looking at the joint. That's the mark of a true craftsperson ❤
It's like how good news is less popular than bad news. Doing things wrong generates far more energy and activity, especially several months and years later.
Not a welder, but I've done a little welding here and there under supervision. What little I've learned, it seems like the K.I.S.S. principle is king with welding. It's not fine carpentry. You aren't making a dovetail or mortise and tenon joint. You're joining two pieces of metal together in a way that maximises the weld's holding area on structurally sound regions of the metal. Which is what the left hand weld does. The cutout compromises the structural integrity of the weld on the right. The wood joints I mentioned earlier don't compromise the wood in the way the right hand weld does. That is an insane overcomplication.
The bigger issue with that interlocked piece, is yes potential warping, but mostly you have a weak fracture gradient. The bit of metal left on the part cut into is far more likely to crack and break the part, than the side weld is to crack
if you're doing the cut out job the biggest thing you're going to do is compromise the structure on the back side so its almost always going to catestrophically fail every time. The stress is going to be focused on the weakest point and put all of the load at the lowest point of that connection so the longer welded section of the y is going to have more stress placed on it and because there is such a small area in that connection thats going to be the first point of failure and its going to split and just rip the whole thing apart from there.
Joints that interlock are good in woodworking because having the fibers perpendicular makes it harder for the wood to split. Does hollow aluminum like this have similar direction-dependant weakness that could justify the other lengthier weld?
Love this video, more please!! exposing all these over complicated weld techniques! May seem common sense, but these are much needed for guys that learn from youtube like myself. You , Jody , the fabricator, and old Tony are where bullshit meets the real world, because yall take the time and waste material to show both side by side. Also love how you cut cross welds sections and hanmer bend welds to prove your point. Your subscription price was well worth it.
I mean the first one seems easier and more to the point... but there should be a strength test of some sort to determine if it's actually sturdier, right? Maybe not pull it length-wise, because the second has that nick that fits it in place.... maybe pull it apart width wise?
You mean I don’t need to remove material that makes the piece I’m welding to weaker than it was to perform a multi-tac weld that won’t hold worth a damn? Mind blown
You got me at "this stupid ass joint." 😂 my thoughts exactly regarding all these BS joint configurations. Not trying to turn a couple minute job into a 30-minute ordeal.
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The trick with the millions of views is to get the people irritated so much with the content, that they are compelled to leave a negative comment. This increases engagement and the video is shown to more people. And so on. 🤭
The creator knows EXACTLY what hes doing
That's why they removed the dislike button.
That's why I stopped interacting with irritating content creators.
Well said!
@@operator8014 you can bring back the dislike button if you install an add-on extension called Return RUclips Dislike. I think there are large enough group of users that the database now works great. You get to see the dislikes and also give a dislike.
As someone else pointed out, the reason that those shorts get popular is EXACTLY because of those bad welds. They know most people, even if not knowledgeable in welding, can see some absolutely bad welds. They KNOW this will make people want to correct the short and comment. This all drives engagement up, thus more views, more earnings, and so on.
And they have people employed to manage "ghost"accounts to make likes...
You wouldn't believe the "real" welders that give these turds a glowing comment .
I call them out every time and boy do they get pissed.
And I have only been a hobby welder for a few years
Exactly. It’s monetized trolling.
@@willardlentz3044
Don't do that. You're only helping them. It might be frustrating, but the best thing you can do is ignore them or correct them in videos like this one. Never engage.
Yup. A lot of shorts and tik toks will intentionally piss people off because it drives engagement. Also known as engagement farming.
Brother I'm a TIG welder at SpaceX and I still send people to your channel when they ask about learning the trade. You have a much better head for training than I and you're more practical than I would be. Keep up the good work.
you forget to wave your finger... instructions unclear....
😂😆👍
You didn't wave finger so I've eaten the aluminium and welded my car door shut 🥴🤪
I hate those silent and finger waving vids
😂😂
Wagging finger = instant “don’t recommend channel”
As a certified IWE, I can say that there are standards and regulations precisely for such connections.
These specifications for the various connection types are then used as the basis for calculating the overall structures in terms of their structural integrity (strength verification). There are a large number of really technically sensible and mechanically comprehensible reasons for not unnecessarily complicating such types of connection. For example, it is no longer possible to precisely determine the load-bearing capacity of this connection, as the base material has been unnecessarily weakened and force flows are obstructed (all these weld seams in the middle of the profile), which leads to multi-axial stress states in the profile cross-section that do not occur with correct design (left side).
Many thanks for this video!
Good! I hadn't considered the calculation part yet. It makes sense that cutting away all the material negatively impacts the mechanical properties. Weld seams are usually the weak point with added risks of introducing imperfections.
It looks more like a carpentry joint. It makes sense there I guess.
@@leegarnier9396no, it doesn't make sense in carpentry either. With wood, once you cut it, it stays that weak; you can't weld it back together to restore even a semblance of the strength it had before.
@@jjwagnell true, but the key is that it "looks" like a wood joint to the untrained eye. It's trying to combine the most eye catching elements of metal and wood joinery regardless of whether it's actually strong, or cost effective, or time effective, or...
T, K and Y connections per code. You would also have to take into consideration the z loss from the lack of penetration at the skewed joint and properly measure your leg lengths.
The topic is far more complicated than anyone here seems to be appreciating. What matters is what forces the connection AND the members have to transfer and how that shear will flow through those members and the welds. There's a good reason why we don't use butt joints on hollow tube section that are resisting moment, because the unreinforced walls of the tube will buckle out of plane. Or for connections with large axial forces because you can't achieve enough length of weld to develop that force. Now don't get me wrong, I would never spec a silly let-in joint like was being portrayed in the "tiktok" example, that's just aesthetic complication, but for many cases a simple mitered butt joint is equally inefficient. Simple is not always better, it's just cheaper...
crazy how stupidity easily gets rewarded in our society these days.
Its flashy stupidity, and prodigious use of the FF feature of course.
There is value in good production, but the dumbing down of the world and especially America is becoming our undoing.
Idiocracy was not a fiction movie.
They may be stupid in welding, but not so stupid in production and behavior manipulation)
Well, context and corrections are difficult to understand, bigoted, and harrassment, so we need to keep people safe from them by making the algorithms and ui design hide them as much as possible.
At least, according to silicon valley...
They're getting paid for a service. Advertisement is a mining business, and human attention is the raw resource being extracted and sold. Stupidity and irritation is just one more extraction method, like strip mining.
Been welding for over 25 years. Have the best education available. Fully appreciate your videos. It's good to to see an actual fabricator fabricating. You deserve a million views. I used to ask my welding students, have you ever looked up something you know a lot about on Google? How much of that information was accurate. It works the same for stuff you don't know much about....most of the info is crap.
75-90%.
That is brilliant advice.
and that's the kind of information all the AI webcrawlers are ingesting...the future is going to be very very clumsy
It can be truly shocking the absolute nonsense, misinformation and lies that is put out as 'factual'. Sometimes the worst or most dangerous is the 'health' stuff that can have serious consequences. On the internet, anyone can dress up how they want and call themselves whatever they want.
been learning to weld, how come strength tests have been done on these to debunk them, and they are actually stronger.
Can you explain?
Hey man! Hobby welder here, big fan of your channel and learnt a lot from your videos over the years😁. Very satisfying to hear you rip on these clickbait channels haha. Thanks for all your work🙏💪
I've seen these shorts an thought exactly as you did, that and the idiots who can't control their heat and stack a heap of tacks together and call it a weld. The world is full of idiots.
I absolutely refuse to watch shorts. I consider them a waste of time I could otherwise be watching a quality, educational video like this.
It run by them too
Hey, slag mountain puddle man here, and fuck you, that shit holds. But I'm also not claiming I'm good. Or that I would trust my welds. I don't, I just have no fear. Maybe my Honda motor falls out of the bike frame I sprayed fluxcore and prayed, maybe it gets all the way to the crack dealers house, we'll fucking see.
They’re only legit if they’re wearing sandals
I am sure glad you are personally narrating your videos. I've always got useful information watching them over the years, but now with the narration, it makes it so much better. Keep them coming!
I think you should make your own shorts, if you “can’t beat them join em!”. You can show them how to do it properly! And make these other guys look like idiots at the same time.
I’m an editor. I can have a crack at turning this video into a short if you like?
I love this idea. Just flip it around. I'd love to see the iconic glove wag at the stupid over complicated joint and show the simple joint with the thumbs up.
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@@6061 Shorts are great, I'd just advise to open a 2nd channel just for the shorts because the algorithm of your regular videos will start clashing with the algorithm generated by the new shorts videos.
Also the shorts could be reposted on instagram and tiktok so I think its a great move just gotta be careful with how youtube handles the algorithm.
Don't convert him to the dark side.
I've seen those shorts, and you are correct, they do those joints because they don't know how to weld. Stitch welding prevents penetration, and so, of course, they have to have other crazy ways to increase the weld length and tie the pieces together. Your methods make so much more sense and are so much easier. Keep up the good work!!
As a mechanical designer for the past 50 years I'm stunned by the stupidity he's showing. He's right!
I do my absolute best to avoid all those shorts. Thank you so much for your content. I'll keep watching as long as your making it. Invaluable.
You literally one of the best welders on RUclips for years and years don't even worry about it the gimmick s*** will die off it's just riding the wave your stuff is real knowledge and timeless
Finally someone that knows his stuff talks about this shit. even though I've always done it the way you teach, it's good for the newbies out there. so thanks alot
I absolutely agree with you. RUclips is getting packed with people that post videos proudly showing the wrong way to do things. I am a retired EE and it is atrocious the amount of wrong minded crap there is on YT. Your videos are excellent because you are not only are a master class welder but you also present the logic and thought processes that make you a master class welder. Thank you for posting.
What's being criticized reminds me of those videos where they set themselves up to "fail" doing it more or less correctly, then use a dangerous hack as the "right" way, like connecting copper to aluminum.
The fake electronic videos are disgraceful. There are examples showing how to build an inverter that will supposedly deliver kilowatts with just a few components. If it works at all it will deliver a horrible square wave, a ton of EMI and just a few watts of output with no voltage regulation. It's more likely to burn your house down than to power anything useful.
Training A&P mechanic here, you sir are a breath of fresh air. So many people put out jacked up content, but it's clear you put in some TLC for your content. Glad to see another man who respects his own craft and work.
Your Alu Welding is the best online and I have been at it for 70 years.
I don't think I'm the core audience for this channel, but as a DM for TTRPGs just knowing small bits of what people actually do is incredible so thank you for making real knowledge publically available.
The more of a tubing joint that is intact and not part of a weld joint the stronger the resultant part will be.
I've seen an old guide on permissible types of joints used in tubular space frames for aircraft. None of the joints involved completely welding around any one piece of tubing . Every tube in a joint had an unwelded section that was unaffected by heat to retain its original strength. Where necessary , gusset plates were welded to the joints to add strength.
How does leaving a section unwelded improve strength? If it isn't attached to anything, it has zero strength.
@@thomasdalton1508 The trick its avoid the heat affected zone.. An i imagine they use a redundant frame to cancel these weak points.
@@thomasdalton1508 I believe it's meant as in "the section of pipe hasn't been exposed to the extreme heat required to liquify metal which can interrupt the metal's treatment and forging process"
Id love to see these two parts compaired on some kind of test rig
That would be interesting
As a structural engineer, I can tell you the bad weld will fail first. Welding also reduces the strength of aluminum, so more weld = weak
@@tomd8198 Unfortunatelly, as a strucutural engineer you CANT TELL anyone anything - show the reasearch, explain the process by providing the reasoning/argument, give me a video that proves it or prove it yurself. The argument from authority should not be used in engineering and science.
My mom literally sends me ever crazy Facebook "hack" that show all these crazy joints. I can't imagine a scenario where I would want to use a crazy fit up like that. Good vid as usual bro!
I have seen some of the same shorts and my take is similar - actual fabricators have a simpler and more reliable way of doing things. As for the shorts, I view them as more artistic in nature. It is nice to see alternative ways of attacking a problem, even if they're not always feasible,
Its unfortunate about the views. A huge part of the problem is people's short attention span. I haven't seen this short, but have a good idea of the garage that you're talking about. I have been a subscriber to your channel for years, and I subscribed to your website years ago just because it was a way to support you for what I knew was high quality information. Those are the type of viewers that you have, the ones who understand what true craftsmanship is, and are willing to invest time into improving their own knowledge and skill set. I'm just starting to learn myself, and am so thankful to people like you, Ron Cowell, Wray schelin, Justin Merrill,and all the rest of the great craftsmen who are willing to take the time to share their knowledge, as I'm sure the rest of your viewers are as well.
I haven’t welded since high school with a few exceptions. That said, over complicating any work just to make yourself look better than someone else is vapid and ignorant. You teach how to weld, instead of how to be smug. Keep being you, I’m following.
the algorithm rewards rage-bait above all else, and its a tale as old as the internet, "if you want the right answer to your question, just post the wrong one, and wait for the corrections".
Thanks for years of amazing content though brother. You've always been an inspiration, and pushed me to improve my own skills.
Been building stuff for a while. The only time I have done some some of those odd "technics" is when building metal furniture, that's it. All those shown on board panda and the like are horrible for structural applications.
Definitely agree with the video. Definitely a big thanks for showing people how to actually weld easily and efficiently!
Your beveling is, in my humble opinion, a great habit to get into. It increases the fusion zone & eliminates filings that could affect the finished welding.
You could also argue their silly joint increases the HAZ zone unnecessarily & wastes time, material, purging gas, etc. Nothing about welding aluminum is cheap or easy.
I have watched hundreds of fabrication videos and I think maybe this is the first time I have seen a miter gauge being used on a metal cutting band saw! Kudos, sir!
p.s. You are the best at teaching and telling it like it is.
Excellent, and well-deserved rant, Aaron!
Im so happy to see a new video from you, your videos got me through 4 years of welding in Highschool
I am a software engineer and I love watching these videos of welders and engineers as we have the same issue in software where we have too much fancy crap going on.
As someone who has worked a lot with CAD stuff, I can imagine cutting out a shape into the beam would help when it comes to positioning them as you wouldn't need to take measurement, they would fit right in like puzzle pieces.
Especially on a large assembly where saving a few minute would mean a lot down the line.
Though, this assumes it was all cut down to size automatically in CNC machines or something.
If you have to cut it down manually, then yeah, you wouldn't save any time.
Alternatively, if an assembly is complex and slots aren't possible, I've designed a few rigs for the welding team. they were quite happy about it.
Sadly I got a drawing from an engineer with some of that Tiktock fabrication crap. I did not follow the drawing and had a talk with the engineer afterwards about what’s being said in the video here.
I deal with an "engineer" from a multi-million dollar company whose drafting is CAD supported. In gis case CAD=Crayon Assisted Drafting
There are two kinds of engineers - those that have gotten their hands dirty and CAD jockeys. Never hire the latter.
Hey Aaron, Good job and I can say you are right on. Simple is almost always the best. And your TIG Button is the best welding tool I have in my shop.
I've had three of them on three different machine and they work flawlessly, especially on aircraft fuselages with thin wall 4130 tube upside down. 🙂
Thanks, John B.
The YT short mentioned is complicated but also compromised in structural strength. I would like to see a structural engineer calculate the stress in that completed structure. Cheers.
Been watching your videos for years, but haven't watched much lately and ive watched 2 of your latest videos today and i am COMPLETELY blown away by the fact that you actually have a voice😂😂😂😅
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think cutting a groove in the shaft like that significantly weakens its structural integrity.
Not even a welder and would know that much.
I weld up a lot of square tubing for various structures and the welds have to be ground and polished flush with the parent metal. I feel much more confident putting a weld bevel on in order to ensure complete penetration without having to worry about either IP or burn through. By grinding down the weld cap it is also a quick way to find out how you are doing with controlling porosity. I generally like to use a 45-degree bevel. What is your preference?
It's sad really, I think many young people just see the "dumb ass shit" doom-scrolling for hours, Instead of watching a whole video of yours or Ron Covell for that matter.
Funnily enough, I see older people watching shorts more than youngsters 😅
@@null6209 cool anecdote, completely worthless.
Do you have a fiber laser welding video? I'm about to buy a bunch of them, and I would love to see some practical old school welder demonstrations to use in training. If you don't have one and you intend to be in the business of welding service, you should get one. Maybe you can show a use case where TIG, GMAW, RSW, FSW, or SMAW is better in some way than FLW.
Totally agree. Those "PRO TUTORIAL" shorts are beyond ridiculous from a practical standpoint.
I served a mechanical apprenticeship. Although I worked in a machine shop, we all did the first year basics. The welding module drilled into us "do the shortest weld".
1:21 Or their "correct" way is laying tack weld after tack weld with no cleaning...
Don't forget to drill your weep holes in tubing when / if closing it up. The heat and pressure buildup is quick! Thanks for the educational videos, they're great! 👨🏭🤓
As a lifetime member of the K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid) club I fully agree with you Aaron. Too many overcomplicated "this is the only (or best) way to do such and such a joint" videos out there.
I’m liking the fact that you’re promoting the website, any small business owner knows how much goes into setting that up. In fact I can’t believe it’s so cheap. More people need to check out this website. Hi from oz
What?! The trick no welder teach you isn't the right thing?!
Sometimes "overcomplicated" welds are required. But this is not such case. If you however find yourself near high pressure piping entering pressure vessel you may find stress relief saddles. Or you may not - some vessels are thick enough (or openings are small enough).
“Can’t even get 100,000 views these days”. Video currently has 100,000 views EXACTLY! 🤣
I dont no why this video was in my "timeline", but i was hoping to see at least a stress-test. I mean everything you say i believe is right, because don't over-complicate things, but i also like to see if the other side gains at least one point?
Bit of a problem is that RUclips doesn't care, if engagements you get are positive or negative, so they are just rage bating people to comment and dislike or to show clueless people something "cool" who don't know any better.
I noticed that a lot of those youtube fake welding videos are from places where people wear flip-flops in workshops. 😆😆
Honestly, I am shocked this kind of thing is even out there, apparently. I don't even weld and this just popped into my feed, but I would have _always_ thought you'd do it like on the left, not the right. That's what I've seen in every "welded" thing ever, like bike frames, etc. . First thing I thought was "YIPES ... cutting a notch like that is likely gonna make that other piece weak and break right there at that thin part!" Then also thinking about the extra work ... seriously, WHY would you make extra work that's _also_ counterproductive to the job?!
The scary part is that there are now likely things actually out there actually made like this by some kid watching RUclips as his "welding teacher" (which is not to say that ALL of it is bad, after all your own video is here but I see ~63K views as of now and I suspect that those videos get way more - the real quality stuff doesn't get the views). This shit is going to get real people really hurt if not even k1lled. This is no fucking joke. Building things is not a joke if that thing is anything more than a toy and may bear serious weight/force and be used to do serious things. If something breaks ...
I've never welded before, however I learned to solder at a young age doing electronic/electrical work (soldering guns and temp controlled soldering stations). However I did under take soldering with a propane torch in assembling the copper plumbing lines beneath my darkroom sink. Of the some 15-20 joints I soldered only "one joint leaked" when I pressure tested it. I fixed it. Everything was good. The video you showed was excellent, cutting the mating piece at the required angle and not "the ragged" cut into the 2nd part. Much neater joint and less time.
You gotta curse more like AvE
Tbh the disdain coming through his voice is enough.
Hey Aaron! I just subscribed to your online programme yesterday , very informative content, thank you!. Can you please go over 3mm T-joints in more detail? It’s really difficult and I just can’t get a smooth consistent bead, I find it really hard to join the two plates without stuffing rod in there then it spatters. The puddle doesn’t form and the ark wonders at the start between the top and bottom plate. I have sent you an email with more detail and pictures of my progress after about 10 hours on this joint with not much success. The other joints I find no problem.
I don't see shorts--shorts are eroding our brains.
As a MIG and TIG fabricator, this dude is the TRUTH. He's been spitting the truth for years without any voice overs, just pure skill, talent and practice given for free. He'll smoke my welding any day. Guess the hack pretenders finally pissed him off enough to use his given voice to express his frustration at the watering down of a once beautiful media for free information exchange. Thank you for your videos, I appreciate learning from master craftsmen on youtube when money is not their end goal for uploading.
Yes I've seen those stupid videos. And many other dumbass ideas when it comes to welding. Common sense isn't common at all. Real welders like us just get the shit done and move on. Time is money.
I think its because they get rewarded way more easily by spreading misinformation and clickbait
The current trend is to make "content" for the algorithms, in stead of for "people"
I find it disgusting but sadly most of us are powerless to stop it
Please keep up the good work, the world needs more people like you
We do have some power, by giving comments or even looking up and sharing actual education videos the engagement would go up and they would get recommended more often then not
Tik-tok is a factory of fools
I have a calendar on my wall every time I watch a short from any social media I write fail on it for that day.
Stupidity is the real virus.
Most of those videos are from China. So inevitably no one would argue your point.
An absolute super skill being able to weld (anything) correctly, especially Al. The trouble is there are so many BS videos, especially shorts showing some funky BS as you indicate and u just can't teach anything properly in 60sec. If one's attention span though is just 60 sec or less, then good luck learning anything. Great video! But the crazy thing is what you have demonstrated is just common sense, something which is taking on the definition of "rarity" these days. In 1980, I was taught how to weld. We did the welds, cut them open, diamond paste polished surfaces, acid etched, microscopic examination etc. understanding Hydrogen flaking etc. Later vertical, upside down, crazy angles etc. Anyone can get a welder nowadays, doesn't mean you know what you are doing. Love the web site title!
The most outrageous something looks, even if it's completely stupid, but looks good, will be upvoted by general public (simps).
Personally I definately enjoy your proper welding vs the "clickbait" welding out there, for someone even slightly familiar with welding its quite easy to spot a real vs fake welding tip, whereas i do believe most views on the fake videos are from either bots, or people who don't know how to weld at all. Great job and keep it up!
I never called me a good welder. I done it as a pro for over 20 years. This shorts make me think there is more than one thing wrong in the world of welding. i like your work , ceep on doing! greetings from germany
The problem isn't only with welding videos.
I came here from an other youtuber, this old tony if I remember correctly, but I gotta say I was surprized when I saw the viewing numbers, they were definitly low. That was like at least a week and a half ago, I subbed but didnt get any video of yours in my main page. But, this has recomended 3 times. Hope this gets better traction ❤❤ we have an efficiency challange team at the uni, we kinda rely on aluminum fabrication for a lot of parts and there is so much misinformation in the youtube. so, you are a gold mine if not a diamond mine.
I'm going into Airframe and Powerplant and really appreciate your videos and instruction..Will be going in with a good knowledge base on how to properly weld aluminum correctly..Thank you.
I agree-many of those so-called fancy techniques are just a waste of time. The sophistication of simplicity always wins!
I am not a welder nor have I ever welded before but I will continue to watch your videos and learn about welding
Great video, there is so much misinformation on welding and fabricating these days due to social media. I personally always bevel both tubes when doing butt joints like you did because as stated in the video it increases weld penetration thus making the joint stronger.
Best welding channel I’ve seen, especially when it comes to aluminum. I am a beginning welder and paid the subscription as I want to be able to TIg weld like that.
I just want to let you know that I found your video very informative and very well explained. I've never played with the TIG process. pretty much an oxy-fuel guy. As a hobby blacksmith I don't need to do all that much welding. most of my stuff is just utilitarian. but very well-done video
I’m fighting all these fake welders who teach bad habits and dangerous procedures to the helpless community of RUclips. They always teach you some technique that nobody else want to teach you or even don’t want you to know. They are nothing but scammers! Please, keep going with your true and honest contents, we appreciate your work!
You’re awesome brotha. I will respectfully never click on those click bait ads for B.S. welding. Cheers from the Deep South where we weld anything from the crack a dawn to a broken heart 🍻 🇺🇸
Wow. The well founded rant was a quite the contrast to your old school silent videos. Long time subscriber here - your web site is full of gold. Highly recommend it :)
Kudos, regardless of the other channel doing it the wrong way to attract attention, you'll also get equally as much attention by correcting them and you're doing a good thing. I am very tired of watching videos that purposely do thing wrong or differently for no benefit, and literally consider them click bait.
I hear comments help people get more views. I've been watching your RUclips for years. You're always providing quality content. One I always remember is the pumpkin you made. Super cool. I also learned a neat little trick from you for tacking aluminum 👍
Your videos are absolutely appreciated, don't always have time to watch but they're saved into catalog of when I get my hands on some tools and space brother.
Thanks YT algorithm, I didn't look for this video, it found me. What a great no nonsense approach, and right to the point. You sir, got a new sub!
"This stupid-ass joint..." That comment brought a smile and a dry chuckle.
"This stupid @$$ joint..." I love that you can hear you actively losing your chill as you're looking at the joint. That's the mark of a true craftsperson ❤
It's like how good news is less popular than bad news. Doing things wrong generates far more energy and activity, especially several months and years later.
Not a welder, but I've done a little welding here and there under supervision. What little I've learned, it seems like the K.I.S.S. principle is king with welding. It's not fine carpentry. You aren't making a dovetail or mortise and tenon joint. You're joining two pieces of metal together in a way that maximises the weld's holding area on structurally sound regions of the metal. Which is what the left hand weld does. The cutout compromises the structural integrity of the weld on the right. The wood joints I mentioned earlier don't compromise the wood in the way the right hand weld does. That is an insane overcomplication.
The bigger issue with that interlocked piece, is yes potential warping, but mostly you have a weak fracture gradient. The bit of metal left on the part cut into is far more likely to crack and break the part, than the side weld is to crack
if you're doing the cut out job the biggest thing you're going to do is compromise the structure on the back side so its almost always going to catestrophically fail every time. The stress is going to be focused on the weakest point and put all of the load at the lowest point of that connection so the longer welded section of the y is going to have more stress placed on it and because there is such a small area in that connection thats going to be the first point of failure and its going to split and just rip the whole thing apart from there.
Joints that interlock are good in woodworking because having the fibers perpendicular makes it harder for the wood to split. Does hollow aluminum like this have similar direction-dependant weakness that could justify the other lengthier weld?
Love this video, more please!! exposing all these over complicated weld techniques! May seem common sense, but these are much needed for guys that learn from youtube like myself. You , Jody , the fabricator, and old Tony are where bullshit meets the real world, because yall take the time and waste material to show both side by side. Also love how you cut cross welds sections and hanmer bend welds to prove your point. Your subscription price was well worth it.
I mean the first one seems easier and more to the point... but there should be a strength test of some sort to determine if it's actually sturdier, right? Maybe not pull it length-wise, because the second has that nick that fits it in place.... maybe pull it apart width wise?
You mean I don’t need to remove material that makes the piece I’m welding to weaker than it was to perform a multi-tac weld that won’t hold worth a damn?
Mind blown
As a non welder, I too am tired of the finger waggle and red Xs. Thanks for being a wider thought individual.
Even if I don't have a TIG welder or a spoon gun, I would just cut material using your method before applying low solder aluminum on stainless mesh.
It's wood joinery. It makes sense with solid wood parts but not with hollow metal ones.
You got me at "this stupid ass joint." 😂 my thoughts exactly regarding all these BS joint configurations. Not trying to turn a couple minute job into a 30-minute ordeal.
i almost forgot that that welding joint is the same material, May be it might beneficial for solder joint where the soldering material is weaker.
Taking a simple problem and making it complex, is not a form of intelligence.
Good on you for schooling people how to do this the right way!