It’s fascinating how no world leader nor politician is held accountable and never have to keep their word or promises. They are like the weather man, sometimes right, often wrong, but still get paid and enjoy a luxurious life.
How about this truth the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances. This memorandum was signed on December 5, 1994, by the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom. It provided security assurances to Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) as a non-nuclear-weapon state and the transfer of its nuclear arsenal to Russia.
It is actually US and UK who messed it up with the greedy zelensky. If you check his offshore bank account, only then you will realise how stupid is the people of ukarine for choosing him for president.
@MovieRiotHD Where you the one who present during the conversation during the treaty and why didn't you put it in black & white. Then it is your mistake for not doing so.
There are so many people here who want to poke the bear and will get mad when the bear attacks them. NATO expansion was unjustified regardless on how you look at it it should have been disbanded.
The problem is that nobody cares of these writings in the countries ,they wanted change . They were fed up with socialism and changed it, they wanted to enjoy this organisation as well. Even if it is a writing, you can not put millions of people to sign these types of documents , it is totally absurd.
As a country we must honor our word . We have broken many promises and treadies . We must get to a point of honoring what we say . The Ukraine war is a money laundering opportunity for many people who have been taking advantage of the people's money for years . Ukraine can not account for billions of dollars of our money in the two years we have been shelling it out. We are in debt and paying out a trillion dollars in interest . We can not go bankrupt over a war that can be and should be brought to a close ASAP.
A contract is avoidable at the instance of the aggrieved party. What in Russia's conduct on the Agreement, was the West aggrieved about for it to breach the contract?
@@menzibhembe741 Are You inferring that Germany wasn't Re Unified. Did the wall come down did Germany become the European Powerhouse of Manufacturing. Did Russia Not Release Poland and Ukraine for example plus many Others.
I know it's important to emphasize "verbal", but let's keep it a buck... we all know that contracts, treaties, assurances, promises, words... LAWS mean absolute squat to the wes.t. They will violate ANYONE, and ANYTHING, at ANY given time, REGARDLESS of ANYthing. That's how co.lo.nial imper.ialism operates. Thanks for keeping us educated and up on the facts, PBD! 🙏
So, what your saying is that conditions never EVER change....opinions never EVER change and a country full of freedom loving people never EVER get to decide they want IN on NATO protection.
Your changing such important opinion because of GREED of power & hegemony is the begining of the war they have brought upon Ukraine that's threatening its existence now.
It's not about what the non-Nato countries want but what Nato had to do. No matter how much a foreigner may want citizenship of any country, he/she will not get citizenship it if that country does not want him/her. The Agreement was with Nato / USA not the other countries wanting to join Nato.
However ... NATO took out the Ukrainian president and installed Zelensky, even made a television show about thus - staring Zelensky! Then he suspended elections. This is not about the will of the people, but the power grab of certain western politicians, who also happen to be heavily invested in Ukraine's assets.
But wasn't that with the understanding that Russia would not expand? When they moved and took Crimea then I would say all negotiations were off the table at that point. Is that not a good way to look at it?
It was a older understanding thatt NATO will not expend "ONE INCH TO THE EAST"! The negotiattions were to be out of tthe table some decades earlier! But the grrown man on tthe table tried to negitiate with the westtern bab00ns!
On 27 May 1997, at the NATO Summit in Paris, France, NATO and Russia signed the Founding Act on Mutual Relations, Cooperation and Security. One of the points clearly stated that signees "Respect the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all states and their inherent right to choose the means of ensuring their own security as well as the inviolability of borders and the right of self-determination of peoples". Additionally, the act established a forum called the "NATO-Russia Permanent Joint Council". Question: have you even heard of this clear RUSSIAN acceptance of other countries ability to choose alliances freely?!? On the point of law: the verbal promise was made in 1990 to a leader of USSR (which soon siezed to exist), the WRITTEN agreement was signed in 1997 by leader of Russia. THE LATER WRITTEN AGREEMENT IS THE BINDING ONE! BTW, since we are talking about verbal promisses: "On a press conference on 28 May 2002 NATO Summit, president Putin was asked about Ukraine's intention ot join NATO and answered that "our position on expansion of NATO is known, but Ukraine should not stand aside of the global processes to strengthen the world security and, as a sovereign country, it's able to make its own choices in ensuring its security". Will you hold Mr Putin to adhere his own words as well?!?
Put yourself in Russian shoes. What do you think you would want? I am clear what I would insist on and that is a monitored demilitarized zone at least 500 miles or 800kms wide.
@@antoinedebiran3000 Right, Vladimir Putin, who: - at age of 18 went into KGB and declared that he wanted to be an agent; - became KGB agent at 23 in 1975 and was active untill 1990, including 5 years in East Germany where he recruited informants and sources to be used against NATO countries; - was chief of FSB in 1998-99; - asked what was the greatest tragedy in hostory replied "the fall uf USSR"; - changed the melody of Russian anthem BACK to that from the USSR (with changed words off cource); - insisted in taking over independent media (by state-owned companies or those "friendly" to him) like NTW television in 2001, because he did not like them reporting on corruption in highest ruling and business circles; that man "suddenly" decided (in 2014) that NATO is a threat?!? Because majority of Ukrainians, including most of ruling (pro-russian) party decides that President of Ukraine Viktor Janukowych's orders to shoot at unarmed protesters, which lead to over 100 deaths, was actually illegal and removed him from office? Please, tell me you are joking!
@@DavidJohnson-yg8qm Right, AT WHAT TIME has Russia proposed this de-militarized zone??? Have thay asked ANY of countries that joined NATO since 1999 not to do that??? What have they offerred, apart from "Russia's freinedhip and brotherhood" that those countries got to know quite well since 1945??? WHY are you people stubborny insist that INDEPENDENT nations DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO ACT INDEPENDANTLY?!? Because this is exactly what Russia's ultimatum delivered in early 2022 contained! Putin actually wanted to expulse US troops from Europe and have a deciding voice in who could be training in countriles like Poland. That was, let me remind you, decades after 110 million of people in Central Europe, Balkan Peninsula told Russians to get the f... out and worked very hard to improve both stability of their ecomonies, their governments and their military standards to join NATO and in most cases EU. And now majority of almost 50 million of Ukrainians want to do the same, so Putin invaded them, to stop it. And you are actually defending him! You have the nerve to tell me to "put youself in Russian shoes"? You should ask yourself if you'd like to live in totalitarian state. Move to Russia or Belarus for 5 years and ONLY THAN you'll actuall have a idea what you are talking about!
@@DavidJohnson-yg8qm Exactly when has Russia asked for this " monitored demilitarized zone at least 500 miles or 800kms wide" ??? I find no such proposal in what Putin said... And BTW, why dont you put yourself in shoes of 110 million of people living in Central Europe or on Balkan Peninsula (not to mention over 40 million Ukrainians)? To get a better picture why those 110 million told Russians to get out in early 1990's and why Ukrainiand want the same now, go and live 5 years in Russia as a normal cilitzen (not government employed) and find out.
Reminding that those verbal promises are actually written. Ck 2004 KIEV and 2008 Bucharest accords between NATO UKRAINA and RUSSIA. Does anybody talks about these ? They stipulate no more advancement towards east of NATO especially after 2007 having Romania as a NATO member. Ukraina accepted and signed that IT WILL stay neutral AND IT WILL NOT REQUEST TO PERTAIN TO NATO. 🤔🤔
The problem was that the other Eastern countries went directly from socialism directly to democracy. Moreover, some of them, the change occured through revolution. Therefore, this organisation expanded. It looks like these great politicians could not keep the socilist establishments, and they were not able to stop the democratisation of these countries. Sometimes the society has its voice ....
This is slightly true ,there were several reasons why NATO expanded east,Also remember the soverit union was replaced with russia so a totally different country with different veiws
Not one inch promise was given to Gorbachov - Poland joined Nato during Putin’s era. The aggressive boarder policy is what made other EU countries to strive for NATO membership
That's why Putin said one time ago that he didn't trust anymore to the West politicians promising something! And so do we, people of Russia 🇷🇺 have lost our trust in the West politicians! We remember the 90-s when the West promised to help, but instead literary robbed us and provoked conflicts inside and outside our borders. And now it will take a very long time to learn to trust you again! Merry Christmas to you all! 🙏🕊💖🎉🌲🎊
You don’t understand because you have the wrong reading material, and not because you haven’t access to it. It’s in your house. The outcome is written. It is explicit. It is 100% accurate and you are ignoring it. Suffer in ignorance!
East German states do not have self-determination? was the request for NATO membership not submitted by the states in question? Has anyone asked these states if they want to remain under Russian influence? what did Ukraine pay with 1700 nuclear warheads?
From EU! a good advice for everything!!! CHECK REAL!!!!!! FACTS instead of idiots claiming CRAP LIES WITHOUT ANY PROOF AT ALL! These statements are 100% FALSE!!! AND A LIE !
If you have questions about these topics, research it for yourself I don't believe Patrick has a doctorate in European history. We can find out quite easily ✔️.
This is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, times changed and EVERYONE is under a mistaken impression that Putin is some choir boy who hasn’t made both moves and threats to absorb non-NATO Countries who then joined NATO for protection. This entire smokescreen about the nobility of Putin and Lavrov is nonsense.
From EU! a good advice for everything!!! CHECK REAL!!!!!! FACTS instead of idiots claiming CRAP LIES WITHOUT ANY PROOF AT ALL! These statements are 100% FALSE!!! AND A LIE
he Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances. This memorandum was signed on December 5, 1994, by the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom. It provided security assurances to Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) as a non-nuclear-weapon state and the transfer of its nuclear arsenal to Russia. The USA Russia and UK violated this treaty.
Gorbachev accepted the reunification because he was powerless to do otherwise. If he were to make a resistance, it wouldn’t work because his economy was collapsing. I understand the point you’re making, but one of the parties involved in this agreement no longer exist. There is no Soviet union. The Baltic states are free. Ukraine has independence. Georgia as independence. Belarus has independence. None of those countries were independent at the time. They were subjugated in this larger Soviet union.
@ Negative. Like a marriage, contracts end when one party is dead. You wouldn’t hold to an ancient agreement with the Roman Empire because a deal is a deal. You wouldn’t honor a lease agreement to a defunct company no longer in operation because a deal is a deal. Swallow reason - it’s good medicine.
Those countries who are today in NATO & EU would be with their neck under the russian boots begging for mercy if not for NATO umbrella. It was a golden opportunity for eastern europe. Freedom loving people in Ukraine, Belarus & Georgia crave to be part of NATO protection & EU. Paid for it with massive horrors in their long history.
The term "NATO expansion" is misleading, it implies that NATO forciply expanded to the current boundaires rather than what really happened. Which was that easter European did not want to be invaded after Moscow led two brutal invasions of Chechnya. Plus if it really freaked them out, then they wouldnt be moving all ground troops from their new NATO border with Finland. It truly does not make sense for them to do that if NATO truly posed such an existential threat
From EU! a good advice for everything!!! CHECK REAL!!!!!! FACTS instead of idiots claiming CRAP LIES WITHOUT ANY PROOF AT ALL! These statements are 100% FALSE!!! AND A LIE
More than wanted, they needed protection. Without NATO they would be the Estonian, Latvian, and Lithuanian Oblasts in Russia right now. I’d assume they’d also make up the majority of the Storm Z suicide assault squads in Ukraine, too…
The initial expansion was in 1999. That did not strain Russian NATO ties. There was a joint nato Russian platform. This was effective in getting us to use liberated former Soviet steppe countries to go after al Quaeda and the Taliban. The first split was over Iraq. Russia felt that it opinion on the state of Iraq was not being listened to. There were warnings from bush senior security and intelligence guys that the risk to Russia American relations were at risk over this policy. The post Iraq war nato expansion was rapid but only after Russian aggression to its neighbors were being voiced and later acted upon.
No its not real. There is an interview from gorbatischow himself with a german newspaper, where he says that such promises were not made to him and they would even not have made sense, because at that time the warsaw pact was still in tact as the soviet union collapsed a bit later.
Well, looks like Russia should’ve become a democracy along time ago. They would’ve been better off. As long as Russia keeps the status quo the situation will never change.
Gorbachev accepted the unification of Germany…. I still don’t get it . Why on this planet some other country’s leaders should accept other countries business? We, humans, stink !
This is such a selective narrative. In 1990 Gorbachev was head of the Soviet union and anything east of West Germany was either a part of the Soviet union or a member of the Warzaw pact.
They desolved the Warsaw pack, denuclearized(weapons not energy)Ukraine, let go of eastern Germany. We NATO broke up Yugoslavia, Kosovo from Serbia, overthrew a legitimately elected Ukrainian president.
Well what happened was that other nations saw the benefits of NATO after the USSR fell apart. And they approached NATO and asked to join. Ask them why. Georgia was not NATO member Ukraine was not a NATO member. What happened to them? Hint. Russia invaded both countries and used the same military force to take them over.
Western Europe always had to worry about Russian expansion. So does Central Europe. Russia does not have to fear western expansion into Russia. Russia has nothing to fear. But central and western Europe do. Which is why NATO expanded!!!
Europe wants to divide and conquer, I believe America should join Russia to even out the playing field. Russia is not the enemy, The EU and Nato are the one world order
What a load of guff ! Can I remind you that France has Germany have both invaded Russia . France even captured Moscow. Germany has invaded Russia twice in the Last 100 years or so. The last time they destroyed half of Russia . And about 25-30 million died . Educate yourself before you bump your gums
Listen my friend i am from a post-soviet country and we wanted by our own choice to join NATO because that is the way to stop Russian interference in our country! Did you get it now?
And by that you just cause Russia to invade your country, hey listen I know you are a sovereign country but at least try to work both ways, make Russia happy but also work with the west, like a neutral stance
Yeah, our word is no longer trustworthy. I watched the Tucker/Putin interview and last night the Tucker/ Lavrov interview. WE have gone back on our word, not been trustworthy, and in many instances painted Russia as something they are not. I like Sergey Lavrov. He seems very level headed and honest- and I have listened to him before, last night was not the first time. All they want is to be treated fairly. Also, Putin in his older years , to me comes off as someone who reveres life and the lives of his people. USA government have been the ones who have not been trustworthy, lacking integrity. So sad that we have had people representing USA that don't represent the people's wishes. The constituents don't want war. Only the war machine wants war. The people who are enriching themselves want war. Luckily, we know, Jerimiah 23:5 ~ God is Just. The " Lake of Fire " awaits.
That "verbal assurance" is irrelevant is it wasn't a written agreement. It was also a promise made with the head of the USSR which collapsed shortly after. Russia failed to keep their side of the Budapest memorandum, an actual bipartisan treaty. They would respect Ukraines sovereignty and borders, yet they annexed Crimea in 2014. Before that NATO veto'd every Ukraine membership application as Ukraine would remain neutral as long as Russia respected its borders. After 2014, Ukraine had every right to join NATO.
@ Removing the gold standard was done by formal agreements and legislation, not by Nixon "verbally agreeing" to remove the gold standard. And what does that have to do with anything. Politicians verbally assure and lie all the time, Putin does it all the time, the US presidents, everyone. That's why written and signed agreements exist.
@LK-ui9rx I agree with you that people lie. It's a big part of the problem. Politicians make promises to get in office then follow their own agenda. I never said the removal of the gold standard was verbal. IMO it wasn't a smart move for the people, it only benefited government/federal reserve. No matter what, I agree with PBD - your word matters. Integrity matters. Do some roll reversal on the NATO borders. USA would not tolerate what is happening. It's good to be able to talk out opinions in an adult way, without name calling or yelling. I appreciate your opinion.
Let me explain to you why the Russians did not ask for a written agreement: BECAUSE IN THESE DAYS IT WAS UNTHINKABLE FOR EVERYBODY THAT NATO WOULD EXPAND. EVENTUALLY NATO EXTENDED BECAUSE THEY SAW DA RUSSIA WAS IN A WEAK STATE AND DID NOT EVEN REACT FOR KOSSOVO.
This guy is an absolute zero of a wanna be expert. He was pro-Ukraine and now he's pro-Russia. People like that are dangerous. And he's not the smartest dude. Let me explain him: Those verbal agreements are only valid for the ones involved. Nations and future political leaders can't be forever stucked for things said and done in the past because times change and the World evolves. Another thing for the less smart guy: Nations and their people are free to choose if they want to be part of NATO, EU, BRICS, etc. It's an individual choice made by every country based on their freedom of choice and sovereignty.
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It’s fascinating how no world leader nor politician is held accountable and never have to keep their word or promises.
They are like the weather man, sometimes right, often wrong, but still get paid and enjoy a luxurious life.
Absolutely!!!
Sad True 🙏
Sad truth.
And no one talks about this promise. Not one leader or legacy media.
Thank you for reminding us of history.
PBD ❤ Very Smart
Thank you for your Truthfulness 🙏🇺🇸👌👍👏
Thank you, you're one of the very few who spoke out the whole truth.
How about this truth the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances. This memorandum was signed on December 5, 1994, by the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom. It provided security assurances to Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) as a non-nuclear-weapon state and the transfer of its nuclear arsenal to Russia.
@@kraigthornecontingent upon no new treaties east of Germany 😮
Nato caused the ukraine mess
It is actually US and UK who messed it up with the greedy zelensky. If you check his offshore bank account, only then you will realise how stupid is the people of ukarine for choosing him for president.
The United States
No Putin did. How much NATO expansion could be seen as provocation: the button was pushed by one man and one man only!
@MovieRiotHD Where you the one who present during the conversation during the treaty and why didn't you put it in black & white. Then it is your mistake for not doing so.
@hareendran9144 it's called a gentleman's agreement honor
There are so many people here who want to poke the bear and will get mad when the bear attacks them. NATO expansion was unjustified regardless on how you look at it it should have been disbanded.
Yes, America needs to pull out of nato. War mongers!!😮
Agreed
Well, that's the thing with democracy: the next government can do something completely different!
He said NATO will move not 1 inch. He was right, they moved not 1 inch eastward but 1000+ miles 😅
Yes Russia would never occupy its former colonies
@@Pušiq3ac That's so profound & witty a comment I almost split my obliques laughing 😅😂
Bring a map out then use a ruler to measure that not one inches Eastward 😮 how it's moving as the earth keep spinning!
America is so trustworthy 🤣😂
😂😂😂😂😅lol lol
England and France signed pact of protecting Czechoslovakia and after that they went to Hitler and gave us aw
Who was protecting the Germans and Slovaks in Slovakia???
Should have said put in writing.
The problem is that nobody cares of these writings in the countries ,they wanted change . They were fed up with socialism and changed it, they wanted to enjoy this organisation as well. Even if it is a writing, you can not put millions of people to sign these types of documents , it is totally absurd.
The Minsk 1 and 2 were in writing!
Like the Budapest memorandum? Which I guess Russia don't care about.
@@JanneJenna Budapest Memorandum!? You even you don't have any ideea about that! You, 1d10t!
Well look now. No body in this country is held to there word.
As a country we must honor our word . We have broken many promises and treadies . We must get to a point of honoring what we say . The Ukraine war is a money laundering opportunity for many people who have been taking advantage of the people's money for years . Ukraine can not account for billions of dollars of our money in the two years we have been shelling it out.
We are in debt and paying out a trillion dollars in interest .
We can not go bankrupt over a war that can be and should be brought to a close ASAP.
Maybe Gorbi was a fool for not getting that shit in writing along with the penalties for violations.
Or maybe everyone else was a fool when they assumed Russia would just put up with the lie.
Like Minsk 1 and 2?
Verbal contracts are voideable. Gorbachoey should've never taken these verbal contracts!!!
Yeap! With clowns in the west, sure!
A contract is avoidable at the instance of the aggrieved party. What in Russia's conduct on the Agreement, was the West aggrieved about for it to breach the contract?
@@menzibhembe741 Are You inferring that Germany wasn't Re Unified.
Did the wall come down did Germany become the European Powerhouse of Manufacturing.
Did Russia Not Release Poland and Ukraine for example plus many Others.
@oldenshort1346 I'm not inferring anything I said exactly what I mean. Did you understand it?
@@menzibhembe741 Sure did Refer to my comment.
At least have the Balls to confirm what you commented.
A kiss is a kiss. A promise is a promise. How nice.
I know it's important to emphasize "verbal", but let's keep it a buck... we all know that contracts, treaties, assurances, promises, words... LAWS mean absolute squat to the wes.t. They will violate ANYONE, and ANYTHING, at ANY given time, REGARDLESS of ANYthing. That's how co.lo.nial imper.ialism operates.
Thanks for keeping us educated and up on the facts, PBD! 🙏
But they're paying dearly for their violations.
@tonyakubue7192
I hope so. Colonialism has been able to rule for far too long. It's past due time.... #LondonBridge
Russia had an agreement to protect Armenia. Yet Putin let Azerbaijan attack Armenia without any help.
Saying one thing and doing something else is the definition of colonialism
Some good information
So, what your saying is that conditions never EVER change....opinions never EVER change and a country full of freedom loving people never EVER get to decide they want IN on NATO protection.
Your changing such important opinion because of GREED of power & hegemony is the begining of the war they have brought upon Ukraine that's threatening its existence now.
It's not about what the non-Nato countries want but what Nato had to do. No matter how much a foreigner may want citizenship of any country, he/she will not get citizenship it if that country does not want him/her. The Agreement was with Nato / USA not the other countries wanting to join Nato.
However ... NATO took out the Ukrainian president and installed Zelensky, even made a television show about thus - staring Zelensky! Then he suspended elections. This is not about the will of the people, but the power grab of certain western politicians, who also happen to be heavily invested in Ukraine's assets.
Russia is always right.
An average American dont know this and they can never understand it
But wasn't that with the understanding that Russia would not expand?
When they moved and took Crimea then I would say all negotiations were off the table at that point.
Is that not a good way to look at it?
this all happened before crimea
Crimeea was, is Russia!
dude which planet have you been living
It was a older understanding thatt NATO will not expend "ONE INCH TO THE EAST"! The negotiattions were to be out of tthe table some decades earlier! But the grrown man on tthe table tried to negitiate with the westtern bab00ns!
If people don’t stand by historical agreements then nobody will make any new agreements
Always try and understand your enemy. Repeatedly check to see if you’re the bad guy.
Politicians lie. Grow up.
Hot Air is Hot Air. Gorbachev didn't get it in writing. Well... Politicians never used to Lie... Right?
On 27 May 1997, at the NATO Summit in Paris, France, NATO and Russia signed the Founding Act on Mutual Relations, Cooperation and Security. One of the points clearly stated that signees "Respect the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all states and their inherent right to choose the means of ensuring their own security as well as the inviolability of borders and the right of self-determination of peoples". Additionally, the act established a forum called the "NATO-Russia Permanent Joint Council". Question: have you even heard of this clear RUSSIAN acceptance of other countries ability to choose alliances freely?!?
On the point of law: the verbal promise was made in 1990 to a leader of USSR (which soon siezed to exist), the WRITTEN agreement was signed in 1997 by leader of Russia. THE LATER WRITTEN AGREEMENT IS THE BINDING ONE!
BTW, since we are talking about verbal promisses: "On a press conference on 28 May 2002 NATO Summit, president Putin was asked about Ukraine's intention ot join NATO and answered that "our position on expansion of NATO is known, but Ukraine should not stand aside of the global processes to strengthen the world security and, as a sovereign country, it's able to make its own choices in ensuring its security". Will you hold Mr Putin to adhere his own words as well?!?
I think in Putin's mind Nato was not as hostile as it became later when the coup in Ukraine took place (?)
Put yourself in Russian shoes. What do you think you would want? I am clear what I would insist on and that is a monitored demilitarized zone at least 500 miles or 800kms wide.
@@antoinedebiran3000 Right, Vladimir Putin, who:
- at age of 18 went into KGB and declared that he wanted to be an agent;
- became KGB agent at 23 in 1975 and was active untill 1990, including 5 years in East Germany where he recruited informants and sources to be used against NATO countries;
- was chief of FSB in 1998-99;
- asked what was the greatest tragedy in hostory replied "the fall uf USSR";
- changed the melody of Russian anthem BACK to that from the USSR (with changed words off cource);
- insisted in taking over independent media (by state-owned companies or those "friendly" to him) like NTW television in 2001, because he did not like them reporting on corruption in highest ruling and business circles;
that man "suddenly" decided (in 2014) that NATO is a threat?!? Because majority of Ukrainians, including most of ruling (pro-russian) party decides that President of Ukraine Viktor Janukowych's orders to shoot at unarmed protesters, which lead to over 100 deaths, was actually illegal and removed him from office?
Please, tell me you are joking!
@@DavidJohnson-yg8qm Right, AT WHAT TIME has Russia proposed this de-militarized zone??? Have thay asked ANY of countries that joined NATO since 1999 not to do that??? What have they offerred, apart from "Russia's freinedhip and brotherhood" that those countries got to know quite well since 1945???
WHY are you people stubborny insist that INDEPENDENT nations DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO ACT INDEPENDANTLY?!?
Because this is exactly what Russia's ultimatum delivered in early 2022 contained! Putin actually wanted to expulse US troops from Europe and have a deciding voice in who could be training in countriles like Poland. That was, let me remind you, decades after 110 million of people in Central Europe, Balkan Peninsula told Russians to get the f... out and worked very hard to improve both stability of their ecomonies, their governments and their military standards to join NATO and in most cases EU. And now majority of almost 50 million of Ukrainians want to do the same, so Putin invaded them, to stop it. And you are actually defending him!
You have the nerve to tell me to "put youself in Russian shoes"? You should ask yourself if you'd like to live in totalitarian state. Move to Russia or Belarus for 5 years and ONLY THAN you'll actuall have a idea what you are talking about!
@@DavidJohnson-yg8qm Exactly when has Russia asked for this " monitored demilitarized zone at least 500 miles or 800kms wide" ??? I find no such proposal in what Putin said...
And BTW, why dont you put yourself in shoes of 110 million of people living in Central Europe or on Balkan Peninsula (not to mention over 40 million Ukrainians)? To get a better picture why those 110 million told Russians to get out in early 1990's and why Ukrainiand want the same now, go and live 5 years in Russia as a normal cilitzen (not government employed) and find out.
Yes. Thank you. It was verbal and not written down.
Russia should have dealt with this at the 1 inch mark. Not 1000 miles later.
that is false. never verified by anyone. even Mr. Gobachauv said there was no such agreement
And yet the transcript from their meeting suggests so.
Putin would be an idiot Not to do something! Anyone calling out Putin should be calling OUT THEIR OWN!!!
Thatcher, baker , are no longer there .. what did Gorbachev promise verbally.. anyway always get agreements in WRITING...
I wonder what happened there? 🤔
Reminding that those verbal promises are actually written. Ck 2004 KIEV and 2008 Bucharest accords between NATO UKRAINA and RUSSIA. Does anybody talks about these ? They stipulate no more advancement towards east of NATO especially after 2007 having Romania as a NATO member. Ukraina accepted and signed that IT WILL stay neutral AND IT WILL NOT REQUEST TO PERTAIN TO NATO. 🤔🤔
Yes and Ukraine is the most corrupt Compromised country in the world. Biden and the war complex are right there with them.
Add the UN in the corrupt peoples list.
True
The problem was that the other Eastern countries went directly from socialism directly to democracy. Moreover, some of them, the change occured through revolution. Therefore, this organisation expanded. It looks like these great politicians could not keep the socilist establishments, and they were not able to stop the democratisation of these countries. Sometimes the society has its voice ....
That's 💯 correct, what are you
doing NATO? Respect is earned,
this is not our land. Bye bye
The problem is; Russia is just way too big, area-wise. How much more land do they need? Think of that. 😮
Go back and look at how big they WERE. You’ll soon realize the hundreds of years of their country becoming smaller…
Pigs have never enough food.
They have no intention of taking more land.. they have more than enough as it is. Russia wanting more land is propaganda.
It's not about expanding Russia's size but safeguarding it's fellow citizens in those areas.
This is slightly true ,there were several reasons why NATO expanded east,Also remember the soverit union was replaced with russia so a totally different country with different veiws
Not one inch promise was given to Gorbachov - Poland joined Nato during Putin’s era. The aggressive boarder policy is what made other EU countries to strive for NATO membership
how come gorbatschow himself said, that a promise like that has never been made to him?
Poland has always hated Russia. Bottom line- nothing worked out for NATO!
That's why Putin said one time ago that he didn't trust anymore to the West politicians promising something! And so do we, people of Russia 🇷🇺 have lost our trust in the West politicians! We remember the 90-s when the West promised to help, but instead literary robbed us and provoked conflicts inside and outside our borders. And now it will take a very long time to learn to trust you again!
Merry Christmas to you all!
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You don’t understand because you have the wrong reading material, and not because you haven’t access to it. It’s in your house. The outcome is written. It is explicit. It is 100% accurate and you are ignoring it. Suffer in ignorance!
What is amazing is why Russia trusted the US and the west, after WW2.
Saying "verbal" 3 times only weakens your argument. Putin also "verbally" assured he would not invade Ukraine weeks before the invasion.
Ignorant.
@@GordanaIsailovic-mi7dePatrick bet David? Yeah
Yeah, after NATO kept toasting Ukraine.
No they didn’t you ignoramus!
Russia Invaded cu they killed russians in ukraine and broke the neutrality pact .
Gorbachev nearly drowned russia
Ask the American Indian’s Can American Government Can Be Trusted With Any Treaties They Made … The Answer Is “ HELL NO” 😮😢
More crying 😢
East German states do not have self-determination? was the request for NATO membership not submitted by the states in question? Has anyone asked these states if they want to remain under Russian influence? what did Ukraine pay with 1700 nuclear warheads?
Thank you for covering this extremely important event.
From EU! a good advice for everything!!! CHECK REAL!!!!!! FACTS instead of idiots claiming CRAP LIES WITHOUT ANY PROOF AT ALL! These statements are 100% FALSE!!! AND A LIE !
If you have questions about these topics, research it for yourself I don't believe Patrick has a doctorate in European history. We can find out quite easily ✔️.
Why does he need a doctorate for us not to agree with what he's saying!
Better always have documents signed for the future. Never put your trust in human beings. Verbal agreement is so fragile.
Yes, but that is not too bad for Europian countries to get rid of Russia
I believe the politicians at the time genuinely had no intentions of going eastward but the politicians that followed over the years had other plans
This is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, times changed and EVERYONE is under a mistaken impression that Putin is some choir boy who hasn’t made both moves and threats to absorb non-NATO Countries who then joined NATO for protection. This entire smokescreen about the nobility of Putin and Lavrov is nonsense.
From EU! a good advice for everything!!! CHECK REAL!!!!!! FACTS instead of idiots claiming CRAP LIES WITHOUT ANY PROOF AT ALL! These statements are 100% FALSE!!! AND A LIE
I have heard Dave Smith saying this for years and comparing it to our Cuba crisis JFK
Yeah. And Russia promised not to attack Ukraine if Ukraine gave up its nuclear arms. So here we are.
he Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances. This memorandum was signed on December 5, 1994, by the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom. It provided security assurances to Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) as a non-nuclear-weapon state and the transfer of its nuclear arsenal to Russia. The USA Russia and UK violated this treaty.
Russia should have gotten that on paper.
NATO did not expand aggressively. Countries requested to join NATO.
when Putin keeps his word, others may follow....
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Gorbachev accepted the reunification because he was powerless to do otherwise. If he were to make a resistance, it wouldn’t work because his economy was collapsing.
I understand the point you’re making, but one of the parties involved in this agreement no longer exist. There is no Soviet union. The Baltic states are free. Ukraine has independence. Georgia as independence. Belarus has independence. None of those countries were independent at the time. They were subjugated in this larger Soviet union.
You re 1d10t by nature or by education?
Your point being? So the west only honours agreements that agree with its own hegemonic aspirations.
this is just weasel talk . a deal is a deal , any self respecting institution will stick to what the deal implies.
@ Negative. Like a marriage, contracts end when one party is dead. You wouldn’t hold to an ancient agreement with the Roman Empire because a deal is a deal. You wouldn’t honor a lease agreement to a defunct company no longer in operation because a deal is a deal. Swallow reason - it’s good medicine.
@@reneesquivel6449 So why anybody will have a deal with the already dieing western empires?
Those countries who are today in NATO & EU would be with their neck under the russian boots begging for mercy if not for NATO umbrella. It was a golden opportunity for eastern europe.
Freedom loving people in Ukraine, Belarus & Georgia crave to be part of NATO protection & EU. Paid for it with massive horrors in their long history.
The term "NATO expansion" is misleading, it implies that NATO forciply expanded to the current boundaires rather than what really happened. Which was that easter European did not want to be invaded after Moscow led two brutal invasions of Chechnya. Plus if it really freaked them out, then they wouldnt be moving all ground troops from their new NATO border with Finland. It truly does not make sense for them to do that if NATO truly posed such an existential threat
I will buy a piece from each one of your merchandise as soon as I can, because you do what you do right now. With truth we all win. Respect
From EU! a good advice for everything!!! CHECK REAL!!!!!! FACTS instead of idiots claiming CRAP LIES WITHOUT ANY PROOF AT ALL! These statements are 100% FALSE!!! AND A LIE
Well you know who the real bad guy now.
And russia promised not to step one foot into ukraine if they gave up their nukes...
Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania desperately wanted protection
More than wanted, they needed protection. Without NATO they would be the Estonian, Latvian, and Lithuanian Oblasts in Russia right now. I’d assume they’d also make up the majority of the Storm Z suicide assault squads in Ukraine, too…
why
Too bad. A deal is a deal. Scumbags for breaking the deal
@@LakeNonaFan ...? Because they were occupied a tyrannical Communist state, and wanted to be free?
For their survival…the first responsibility of ANY GOVERNMENT.
I mean, if it's verbal it doesnt mean shit. It has to be ratified by a treaty, duh
Why do you guys spout Russian talking points…
The initial expansion was in 1999. That did not strain Russian NATO ties. There was a joint nato Russian platform. This was effective in getting us to use liberated former Soviet steppe countries to go after al Quaeda and the Taliban. The first split was over Iraq. Russia felt that it opinion on the state of Iraq was not being listened to. There were warnings from bush senior security and intelligence guys that the risk to Russia American relations were at risk over this policy. The post Iraq war nato expansion was rapid but only after Russian aggression to its neighbors were being voiced and later acted upon.
I dont know about this because i cant even find a single video about this verbal agreement. Is this real? I mean Germany did join Nato in 1955.
No its not real. There is an interview from gorbatischow himself with a german newspaper, where he says that such promises were not made to him and they would even not have made sense, because at that time the warsaw pact was still in tact as the soviet union collapsed a bit later.
This is so unfair. Just look at bad bad Russia how close they put their border to the nato countries
American imperialism is exactly what happened. Make peace, not war. ✌️ ☮️ 🕊
American imperialism is an oft quoted line of putin's. Hmm?
Nothing like deciding for another country. I think Estonia wanted to join nato? They don't have a choice!
But it didn't happend in Indian modern history
Well, looks like Russia should’ve become a democracy along time ago. They would’ve been better off. As long as Russia keeps the status quo the situation will never change.
My Eastern European cousins are nervous of the Russians goose step back into their countries again.
Be careful who you watch
yeah, we also want protection, what is so wrong about that.
Didn't Russia promised Ukraine that they will never attack Ukraine if they gave up their nuclear weapons? so what happened there?😊
Russia wanted to join nato ? Nato said no ? Because if Russia joined nato , nato does not need to exist?????
Haha as Lenin once has said for people in the channel - useful idiots.....
Gorbachev accepted the unification of Germany…. I still don’t get it . Why on this planet some other country’s leaders should accept other countries business? We, humans, stink !
This is such a selective narrative.
In 1990 Gorbachev was head of the Soviet union and anything east of West Germany was either a part of the Soviet union or a member of the Warzaw pact.
They desolved the Warsaw pack, denuclearized(weapons not energy)Ukraine, let go of eastern Germany. We NATO broke up Yugoslavia, Kosovo from Serbia, overthrew a legitimately elected Ukrainian president.
Still ignoring Poland ....that time
From Bouth sides ....
What about Now....
This deal is also on paper.
Well what happened was that other nations saw the benefits of NATO after the USSR fell apart. And they approached NATO and asked to join.
Ask them why.
Georgia was not NATO member Ukraine was not a NATO member.
What happened to them?
Hint. Russia invaded both countries and used the same military force to take them over.
Western Europe always had to worry about Russian expansion. So does Central Europe. Russia does not have to fear western expansion into Russia. Russia has nothing to fear. But central and western Europe do. Which is why NATO expanded!!!
Europe wants to divide and conquer, I believe America should join Russia to even out the playing field. Russia is not the enemy, The EU and Nato are the one world order
Stop making up rubbish..
Russia does have to fear western expansion. They are right at their border you fool
What a load of guff ! Can I remind you that France has Germany have both invaded Russia . France even captured Moscow. Germany has invaded Russia twice in the Last 100 years or so. The last time they destroyed half of Russia . And about 25-30 million died . Educate yourself before you bump your gums
But those who promised are now dead 😅😅😅. World 🌎 changed
Listen my friend i am from a post-soviet country and we wanted by our own choice to join NATO because that is the way to stop Russian interference in our country! Did you get it now?
And by that you just cause Russia to invade your country, hey listen I know you are a sovereign country but at least try to work both ways, make Russia happy but also work with the west, like a neutral stance
Unfortunately, this guy is not including many ongoing geopolitical changes that occurred. He needs a history lesson.
Basically every country west of Russia is signed up to the EU and Nato. Not 1 inch but thousands of Kilometres.
The Soviet Union fell after this and Gorbachev was no longer their leader due to coup.
Russia is not the Soviet Union
Semantics
Speech Act
Russia feel like they might be invaded
Putin is showing restraint but not for long
Regan Promised Gorbachev, NATO would not move one inch eastward.
🙄 He's another Liar, Liar Pants on fire 🔥 kinda guy.
Yeah, our word is no longer trustworthy. I watched the Tucker/Putin interview and last night the Tucker/ Lavrov interview. WE have gone back on our word, not been trustworthy, and in many instances painted Russia as something they are not. I like Sergey Lavrov. He seems very level headed and honest- and I have listened to him before, last night was not the first time. All they want is to be treated fairly. Also, Putin in his older years , to me comes off as someone who reveres life and the lives of his people. USA government have been the ones who have not been trustworthy, lacking integrity. So sad that we have had people representing USA that don't represent the people's wishes. The constituents don't want war. Only the war machine wants war. The people who are enriching themselves want war. Luckily, we know, Jerimiah 23:5 ~ God is Just. The " Lake of Fire " awaits.
That "verbal assurance" is irrelevant is it wasn't a written agreement. It was also a promise made with the head of the USSR which collapsed shortly after. Russia failed to keep their side of the Budapest memorandum, an actual bipartisan treaty. They would respect Ukraines sovereignty and borders, yet they annexed Crimea in 2014. Before that NATO veto'd every Ukraine membership application as Ukraine would remain neutral as long as Russia respected its borders. After 2014, Ukraine had every right to join NATO.
@LK-ui9rx Tell me a verbal agreement means nothing when the USA dollar collapses because the gold standard was removed by Nixon. You word matters.
@ Removing the gold standard was done by formal agreements and legislation, not by Nixon "verbally agreeing" to remove the gold standard. And what does that have to do with anything. Politicians verbally assure and lie all the time, Putin does it all the time, the US presidents, everyone. That's why written and signed agreements exist.
@LK-ui9rx I agree with you that people lie. It's a big part of the problem. Politicians make promises to get in office then follow their own agenda. I never said the removal of the gold standard was verbal. IMO it wasn't a smart move for the people, it only benefited government/federal reserve. No matter what, I agree with PBD - your word matters. Integrity matters. Do some roll reversal on the NATO borders. USA would not tolerate what is happening. It's good to be able to talk out opinions in an adult way, without name calling or yelling. I appreciate your opinion.
Let me explain to you why the Russians did not ask for a written agreement: BECAUSE IN THESE DAYS IT WAS UNTHINKABLE FOR EVERYBODY THAT NATO WOULD EXPAND.
EVENTUALLY NATO EXTENDED BECAUSE THEY SAW DA RUSSIA WAS IN A WEAK STATE AND DID NOT EVEN REACT FOR KOSSOVO.
NATO I promised the Soviets not the Russians
Just check in history, how many times Russia had war with Ukraine. Many many times.
i mean technically it was a deal with the soviet union so no... russia became a different entity
This guy is an absolute zero of a wanna be expert. He was pro-Ukraine and now he's pro-Russia. People like that are dangerous. And he's not the smartest dude. Let me explain him: Those verbal agreements are only valid for the ones involved. Nations and future political leaders can't be forever stucked for things said and done in the past because times change and the World evolves. Another thing for the less smart guy: Nations and their people are free to choose if they want to be part of NATO, EU, BRICS, etc. It's an individual choice made by every country based on their freedom of choice and sovereignty.
Yep. Totally agree. Trump should start being nicer to Mexico. Or Mexico may let Russia place some basis there 😅
Exactly 💯