This English former "train spotter" in the heyday of steam loved the sight and sound of this magnificent loco in its run through beautiful scenery to the US West Coast. Congratulations to all concerned for letting us see this online.
Great photography and thank you for uploading it. After reading some of the comments I thought I would add some info since I was part of the pilot crew on board over the hill. We had 2 of the 3 diesels online. We needed them to get up the east side and used the dynamic brakes for the downhill. That train was approximately 1800 tons and 844 alone would have had a hard time of it. Let's face it, she's basically one of a kind and everything has to be hand made these days so there's no need to work her any harder than needed. Work the other motors so that the steam can make the show.
Thank you for the great comments. I do find it disheartening that they used the diesel pushers/helpers. I do understand though. The UP 844 and SP 4449 did a double header through my little town of Tacoma WA. After that the SP 4449 did a lunch run here. Got some great pics of that. It was rumored that it ran out of water after climbing the hill behind my house. After that they used a diesel helper. I do not believe the rumors. I would put money on wheel spin. Great vid and thank you.
Most of the big Northern's like 844 and 4449 were somewhat slippery. SP installed boosters to help them start a heavy train but UP didn't believe in them. They were built to run fast and hot over flat (relatively speaking) ground. They were not mountain engines. Both of them were capable of 100 mph +. SP maintained speed restrictions over they're entire system well below that. However, there was a brief period when they lost the Sunset route due to washouts that forced them to reroute passenger trains over the Santa Fe across the desert. The Santa Fe engineers ran the GS class at over 100 mph and absolutely loved them.
I've seen on tv a video about 844 & in that video it was pulling a 5,000+ ton freight, but that was on archer hill which is no where near as steep as donner pass though I don't think.
Thank you for all this !! To see it go from Greeley Colorado to California over The Donner Pass !! Incredible !!!!! I am native of Greeley and love this train as I did settle into California later in my life to Marry and have kids, then we moved to Egypt in Cairo to educate our kids in affordable colleges ... missed you lovely America and Greeley, kisses and hugs, America , we now live in Texas after coming back to America...to be with our kids who moved to there...
Love it, love it, love it, especially the chuff-chuff-chuffing into Truckee and the steam blow off. Excellent documentation of the care and work to repair the rail and get the tender back underway inch by inch. Great video!
I'll bet there was a huge sigh of relief when 844 started moving again after the derail. Otherwise, I enjoyed your video very much. There's something stately about these giants of steam as they belt across the countryside and the low angle shots were very effective. One thing struck me about your video - and it's the same over here. When you set up your camera for a special shot, someone with a pocket brownie walks right into frame with no care for anyone else. We have a word for these people in this country but RUclips won't let me print it!
What year was it that 3985 and 844 went to California & after a helper diesel failed in a long tunnel, both 3985 & 844 had to go full power in the tunnel, resulting in some burned arms due to the heat 3985 generated, luckily passenger car doors had been closed.. Was featured in Train's Magazine..???
Its now may 19th 2019 in june 28 29th going from salt lake to los Angeles. For a camp out with neice and sons and a july 4 birthday for u s a then go back to slc following sunday in july oh boy that ghostly whistle has me i hear it it in the air when 844 is not in utah i really do
On the front of the engine, saw that it has 2 lights, the normal yellow one that they always have on, but what is the RED one for and when do they use that one????
tell you the truth, this is the first time I have even heard of that light, the just out of curiousty, looked it up and this is what I found about it----Mars Lights used a variety of means to cause the light to oscillate vertically, horizontally, or both, to catch the attention of motorists and pedestrians
+Snuffy's Cat Productions I think 844 looked better with the Mars light. Now that it doesn't have the Mars light, I think they should remove the elephant ears so it looks like 844 when it was first delivered in 1944. I just really don't like 844 without the Mars light. 😕
David H Bingham That is only tangentially relevant to what I said, I was talking about building *new* turntables throughout the UP's territory to replace the ones ripped up post-dieselization, so that 844 at the least can just uncouple and go turn around on a table and then back down on the other end of the train.
Then what are you going to do with sharp turns, as that is what the problem is, due to the design of the serpentine trucks on the tenders used on 844, 3985 and 4014..? Guess one could redesign the truck's, if you could find a way to replace them on a historic piece of equipment designed 100 years ago..
Great video, FEFs are really spectacular locos, would love to see 844 in person one day. Whats the gradient like up Donner Pass? Seemed to be making good pace, despite potential assistance by the diesels. To those who hate the diesels in the video, I could barely hear them, only when their were close up shots, even then it was mostly drowned out by 844, she still seemed to be sounding good, dunno what others are complaining about saying she was hardly working, sounded good to me
What magnificent locomotive. We didn't have anything that big in Australia. Thanks for uploading. How much of the load are those diesels taking? It wasn't a very long train. Is it for safety regulations or something?
+darbz2k It's been a while since you've asked, but in essence, the diesels aren't "needed". UP-844 could handle the load up and down the Donner Pass. She's done it in the past. However, the Donner pass is still a mainline railroad and therefore, Railroad companies can't afford to have incidents happen that would block the pass for paying rail traffic. Even though 844 is still part of the UP's fleet, it is still technically a "guest" on their railway. The diesels are the that safeguard against that happening. There might be official regulations for it, I'm not sure. Oh and the diesels also provide electrical power to the passenger cars for lighting and air conditioning.
The diesels are mainly there for 1) dynamic braking - 844 is plenty powerful but it can't be guaranteed to stop inside the length of a modern signal block, and 2) head end power for the passenger cars. In steam days passenger cars had electrical generators, and were heated by steam from the locomotive, but these systems were obsolete long ago. That's why you hear one of them running when they go by. They could take over if they had to, but 844 is pretty reliable.
Up 844 headed to west from Cheyenne wy to elko NV via ogden UT goin to Sacramento sept 21st/27th 2012 btw 2014 celebrating 200th grand canyon limited bound for Utah nevada new México & Arizona back to southern Califórnia
They providing the power to coaches behind. When all railroads made the switch over to diesel-electric engines, they took off the steam generators on the coaches that were supplied with steam from the engine.. So the diesels are just their to heat the water, light the lights and heat the kitchen stoves used to supply the fabulous meals to the executives and crew traveling onboard.
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Charles Damery 3 diesels just for HEP? those are not even passenger locomotives the diesels are there in case their is a problem with the 844. if it broke down, repairs would not be easy or quick. it would bog down the railroad until they could tow it away
Don't have to be, all diesel electric locomotives are just electrical generators anyway. There is no mechanical connection between the locomotive's engine and the drive train of the engine, unlike a steam engine.
The UP "Executive Cars" are just stunning. They look like they just came off the assembly lines. It is unfortunate that AMTRAK chose to have the most "colorless" cars imaginable.
+Prince Noah because reasons..... they jsut seem to jump track when ever the hell they want. last year around glasgow montana on the "hi line" their were around 12 derailments..... this year, not a damn one
+up4014 steam train fan Is there even a point in using someone else's video on your channel? No... Your videos aren't even getting many views because they were already viewed by the original authors' channels. Do you think those videos will make you getting more views and subs if you had those videos? What a joke! Start making your own videos and get a life.
I hope there can b e very high pressure to permit on UP steam for there is need to keep those names a live the4449 on home track I don,t see wha the UP gains by this will there ever be an Rail fair for every one would wantto see some thing SP on it I do not see why the Cab fwrd monster could not have been st adt number oneatratin the feeling are emotional.oh I wonder if might a $199 plus trip with the big boy and its cancieled the old steam buffs hve passed on there are younger c fans but how much will they pay??????
I assumed(an probably wrong in this) that the Big Boys were made more for pulling across the plains, than in the mountains, therefore the three diesels were to help it.
Why in hell do thye have diesels on the steam locomotives in any case. These engines once ruled the rails without and before diesels. They did n't just break down. The steam group says they rebuild these to factory specs - SO why the diesels.
jthere should be a strong protest that its just being pushed around by dielsle who want wants to see that the feelings are stgronng like SP power on the old SP I c ould see the diesles for going down grade were the grade hits 2.5% would the fare hit like a $199 a head for a one day trip
![[4K] Big Boy 4014 over Donner Pass](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/gNbJP-IE_nU/mqdefault.jpg)
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This English former "train spotter" in the heyday of steam loved the sight and sound of this
magnificent loco in its run through beautiful scenery to the US West Coast. Congratulations
to all concerned for letting us see this online.
Great photography and thank you for uploading it. After reading some of the comments I thought I would add some info since I was part of the pilot crew on board over the hill. We had 2 of the 3 diesels online. We needed them to get up the east side and used the dynamic brakes for the downhill. That train was approximately 1800 tons and 844 alone would have had a hard time of it. Let's face it, she's basically one of a kind and everything has to be hand made these days so there's no need to work her any harder than needed. Work the other motors so that the steam can make the show.
844 has control of the MU'd units in power only. We coordinated with another engineer in the lead diesel for dynamics.
I don't think 4014 would need any diesels at all to get up the pass, eh?
Thank you for the great comments. I do find it disheartening that they used the diesel pushers/helpers. I do understand though. The UP 844 and SP 4449 did a double header through my little town of Tacoma WA. After that the SP 4449 did a lunch run here. Got some great pics of that. It was rumored that it ran out of water after climbing the hill behind my house. After that they used a diesel helper. I do not believe the rumors. I would put money on wheel spin. Great vid and thank you.
Most of the big Northern's like 844 and 4449 were somewhat slippery. SP installed boosters to help them start a heavy train but UP didn't believe in them. They were built to run fast and hot over flat (relatively speaking) ground. They were not mountain engines. Both of them were capable of 100 mph +. SP maintained speed restrictions over they're entire system well below that. However, there was a brief period when they lost the Sunset route due to washouts that forced them to reroute passenger trains over the Santa Fe across the desert. The Santa Fe engineers ran the GS class at over 100 mph and absolutely loved them.
I've seen on tv a video about 844 & in that video it was pulling a 5,000+ ton freight, but that was on archer hill which is no where near as steep as donner pass though I don't think.
June 4th 2019 844 is still awonderful engine i love turning on these videos seeing. 844 and hear that ghostly whistle
to manufacture the UP 844 MODELO in BRAZIL !!! several videos I watch!! but this one is special in your images !!! thank you all !
This is hands down the best soundtrack I have heard from this locomotive yet! Great work!
+rjolly87 Thank you.
1:40 Up 844's current Whistle in 2012
Thank you for all this !! To see it go from Greeley Colorado to California over The Donner Pass !! Incredible !!!!! I am native of Greeley and love this train as I did settle into California later in my life to Marry and have kids, then we moved to Egypt in Cairo to educate our kids in affordable colleges ... missed you lovely America and Greeley, kisses and hugs, America , we now live in Texas after coming back to America...to be with our kids who moved to there...
+Mostafa Kishk Thank you. I was there in Greeley CO. I rode the CFD train last year. It was not UP844 but still great to see E9s running.
Love it, love it, love it, especially the chuff-chuff-chuffing into Truckee and the steam blow off. Excellent documentation of the care and work to repair the rail and get the tender back underway inch by inch. Great video!
+Diana Stuart Thank you!
The electric sound the SD70s made as they passed man I love that sound for some reason 3:50
at 8.34 you can hear the whistle echo in the background great video @Snuffy's Cat Produtions
Very beautiful whistle man
Wonderful sounds through the high places.
the sound from 1:43 and 1:53 is my alarm clock sound , is beautiful to weak up with music in my ears !
haha funny
Gotta love the 844. Great vid as always Snuffy!
Absolutely beautiful. Thanks for filming her.
I'll bet there was a huge sigh of relief when 844 started moving again after the derail. Otherwise, I enjoyed your video very much. There's something stately about these giants of steam as they belt across the countryside and the low angle shots were very effective. One thing struck me about your video - and it's the same over here. When you set up your camera for a special shot, someone with a pocket brownie walks right into frame with no care for anyone else. We have a word for these people in this country but RUclips won't let me print it!
Thanks for the comment!
Love the video thanks for making and sharing. Cheers
+MrSageflyfisher Thank you for watching!
Great video and excellent work on the camera work
Up 844 está soprando o atualmente apito igual a voz do meu papai
Super machine! Great video! Thanks! // No commentaries, that video could be seen every where in the world. :)
Nice silhouettes on the wall in Colfax. 11:10 Had me stumped.
GREAT JOB !!!!!!! BEAUTIFULL VIDEO !!!!! THANKS SO MUCH FOR SHARE!!!!!!!!!!
Gotta love 844, Really want one in HO scale, but they aren't in production right now, finding one used is like trying to find a living dinosaur.
Man that guy at 1:30 had no respect what so ever! Great video!
+TREFan570 Yea. lol Thank you.
Just awesome!!!!!! Excellent video Snuffy.
+iusetano Thanks!
ay i got 844 on my game train Simulator 2022 on steam and i saw her pass my eyes in Middle School PMS
Isn't the Arc Lockman the parts and maintenance car?
UP passgener train extra P813 ( ex X320 ) with 844 leading!
Up 844 blows it's currently Whistle used in 2012-2013
I have a Union Pacific Railroad spike Union Pacific no 844 last used it
Excellent coverage!
Thanks!
i once lived in Rancho Cordova, and I think Donner Pass is next to Heaven !!!
I have the last spike of Union Pacific it’s the golden spike it’s a stainless spring steel railroad spike that Union Pacific railroad made
Up 844 running west towards to Califórnia state railroad museum
Nice man - that 844 is awesome to see in real life.
Thanks!
***** Sure thing
Magnificent train restoration
UP 844 has never retired since she was built in 1944
Oh 844 did you have a bad wheel day like a tooth ache ??
That smoke show at 12:55 to 13:06. Dang she's cute doing that. Great video.
What year was it that 3985 and 844 went to California & after a helper diesel failed in a long tunnel, both 3985 & 844 had to go full power in the tunnel, resulting in some burned arms due to the heat 3985 generated, luckily passenger car doors had been closed.. Was featured in Train's Magazine..???
David H Bingham 👍
No.. I think you might be talking about Railfest 1999.
Snuffy's Cat Productions Beautiful Shots!
Awesome Video
AMAZING !!!!!! ALL YOU DO GUYS!!!!!!!!!!
So beautiful ! Wales UK.
👍👍👍👍👍👍 증기기관차 매력이
장난이 아니네요
UNION PACIFIC 844, she is Beautiful
Up 844 150th anniversary special
Can someone explain to me what that high pitch sound the locomotive makes when the engine isnt moving, and you hear it as it goes by?
+Kurt Sorrels Its the Diesel engines idling on standby
Loved it, would have much rather she'd been freed up of the diesels and their burdon but still very very cool. Nice work Snuffy Thank you !!
+SK Facilites Thank you for watching.
Its now may 19th 2019 in june 28 29th going from salt lake to los Angeles. For a camp out with neice and sons and a july 4 birthday for u s a then go back to slc following sunday in july oh boy that ghostly whistle has me i hear it it in the air when 844 is not in utah i really do
On the front of the engine, saw that it has 2 lights, the normal yellow one that they always have on, but what is the RED one for and when do they use that one????
tell you the truth, this is the first time I have even heard of that light, the just out of curiousty, looked it up and this is what I found about it----Mars Lights used a variety of means to cause the light to oscillate vertically, horizontally, or both, to catch the attention of motorists and pedestrians
+Andrew Silva They don't use it as a purpose anymore. I have see it once or twice when they check all headlights before the departure.
+Snuffy's Cat Productions I think 844 looked better with the Mars light. Now that it doesn't have the Mars light, I think they should remove the elephant ears so it looks like 844 when it was first delivered in 1944. I just really don't like 844 without the Mars light. 😕
+Andrew Silva The red Mars light would come on when the engine applied it's emergency brakes.
+Nick Stewart They said the mars light will be back.
What is the need for the three diesels??
Moving them
Really good job keeping up with it !! (Did you leap frog ?)
So... do they still use steam trains to hual?
So as 844 was running in donner pass to Sacramento and I know where challenger 3985 is it’s in Cheyenne Wyoming in the old roundhouse
It's incidents like that tender derailment that make me wonder if it might be worth the UP's time and money to build some replacement turntables.
ZeldaTheSwordsman Only 2 turntable's are capable of turning Big Boy's & both are in same yard in Cheyenne..!
David H Bingham
That is only tangentially relevant to what I said,
I was talking about building *new* turntables throughout the UP's territory to replace the ones ripped up post-dieselization, so that 844 at the least can just uncouple and go turn around on a table and then back down on the other end of the train.
Then what are you going to do with sharp turns, as that is what the problem is, due to the design of the serpentine trucks on the tenders used on 844, 3985 and 4014..? Guess one could redesign the truck's, if you could find a way to replace them on a historic piece of equipment designed 100 years ago..
Union Pacific 4-8-4 844 climbs over Donner Pass on former Southern Pacific's Overland Route.
THANKS for sharing your GREAT video........... Almost good as being there.
+David doc Thanks man.
Thank you so much for sharing.
Jon
+Jon Blakeney Thanks!
3:29 MAX POWER YOUR VOLUME.
Great video, FEFs are really spectacular locos, would love to see 844 in person one day. Whats the gradient like up Donner Pass? Seemed to be making good pace, despite potential assistance by the diesels.
To those who hate the diesels in the video, I could barely hear them, only when their were close up shots, even then it was mostly drowned out by 844, she still seemed to be sounding good, dunno what others are complaining about saying she was hardly working, sounded good to me
+Parkes RailwayTV Thank you. I'm not sure what the gradient like. This was my very first time fanning there.
What magnificent locomotive. We didn't have anything that big in Australia. Thanks for uploading. How much of the load are those diesels taking? It wasn't a very long train. Is it for safety regulations or something?
+darbz2k It's been a while since you've asked, but in essence, the diesels aren't "needed". UP-844 could handle the load up and down the Donner Pass. She's done it in the past. However, the Donner pass is still a mainline railroad and therefore, Railroad companies can't afford to have incidents happen that would block the pass for paying rail traffic. Even though 844 is still part of the UP's fleet, it is still technically a "guest" on their railway. The diesels are the that safeguard against that happening. There might be official regulations for it, I'm not sure. Oh and the diesels also provide electrical power to the passenger cars for lighting and air conditioning.
+darbz2k Thank you.
+1993Warbirds I just wish UP could do what NS is doing with 611.
The diesels are mainly there for 1) dynamic braking - 844 is plenty powerful but it can't be guaranteed to stop inside the length of a modern signal block, and 2) head end power for the passenger cars. In steam days passenger cars had electrical generators, and were heated by steam from the locomotive, but these systems were obsolete long ago. That's why you hear one of them running when they go by. They could take over if they had to, but 844 is pretty reliable.
What did they use for HEP before diesels ?
+Ted Cartwright Steam boiler and in some cases, a wheel driven generator and batteries.
Up 844 goes to san Francisco CA
How many cars were on that memorial train?
+Trainboy70 Memorial train?
In a nutshell, this train is majestic
Is that we're it derailed
were the 3 diesel engines running or was the 844 the sole power
844 solos
Up 844 headed to west from Cheyenne wy to elko NV via ogden UT goin to Sacramento sept 21st/27th 2012 btw 2014 celebrating 200th grand canyon limited bound for Utah nevada new México & Arizona back to southern Califórnia
Nice to see her deadheading those 3 diesel units to Sacramento, She doesn't need any help getting over the Donner Pass.
They providing the power to coaches behind. When all railroads made the switch over to diesel-electric engines, they took off the steam generators on the coaches that were supplied with steam from the engine.. So the diesels are just their to heat the water, light the lights and heat the kitchen stoves used to supply the fabulous meals to the executives and crew traveling onboard.
Charles Damery
3 diesels just for HEP? those are not even passenger locomotives
the diesels are there in case their is a problem with the 844. if it broke down, repairs would not be easy or quick. it would bog down the railroad until they could tow it away
Don't have to be, all diesel electric locomotives are just electrical generators anyway. There is no mechanical connection between the locomotive's engine and the drive train of the engine, unlike a steam engine.
One of the diesel is being used to power the coaches, the others are just in transit to the west coast.
Watch other RUclips videos on steam.
The UP "Executive Cars" are just stunning. They look like they just came off the assembly lines. It is unfortunate that AMTRAK chose to have the most "colorless" cars imaginable.
Thanks Snuffy !
844 will be back around the middle of this year!!!
+Steve W Not until next year as I heard. :(
Actually they are saying she will be back by July of this year.
844 was placed in operation prior to Frontier Days Special excursions..
Yes, there are always test runs.
Steve W hv
Now we’re going to see 4014 on the same tracks in a few days
Is the 844 also converted to diesel/fuel oil? Beautiful train.!!
UP is using recycled diesel engine oil with additives, which burns cleaner than #5 oil used in the past.
David H Bingham
thanks, a bit sad that it is not coal fired, but accepted :-)
Well, the Union Pacific's bituminous coal proved to just be too much of a fire hazard. That's why 3985 was converted to oil.
844 was converted to an oil burner a _long_ time ago. As in, back during her revenue passenger train career.
ZeldaTheSwordsman The reason why 3985 was converted into an oil burner, was due to coal ashes setting fires in row..
Up 844 going to donner pass
Very nice 👍
844 needed 3 diesels?!?!
I liked that!
Thanks!
Your welcome!
what a great sound
Why did the tender derail?
+Prince Noah because reasons..... they jsut seem to jump track when ever the hell they want.
last year around glasgow montana on the "hi line" their were around 12 derailments..... this year, not a damn one
Prince Noah because the centipede tenders have a rigid wheelbase and don't like tight turns.
Is there a generator car?
RedstoneJohn You're mistaken. There is a generator car on the train. Two of the diesels were being used for dynamic braking while one was dead in tow.
Up 844 pulls into to sacramento
I think UP 844 should go on tour around the world.
Only other place that has tracks for it to run on is the uk, as the track gauge is the same.
christ you foamers are stupid
12:47 🥶🥶🥶🥶
I was there when it de-railed. Talk about a buzzkill.
She does not need a gevo and 2 sd70aces.
i want to go to Donor Pass one day...
You'll enjoy it.
+up4014 steam train fan Why do u have to upload my video on your Channel? Just watch my video through my Channel!
+up4014 steam train fan Is there even a point in using someone else's video on your channel? No... Your videos aren't even getting many views because they were already viewed by the original authors' channels. Do you think those videos will make you getting more views and subs if you had those videos? What a joke! Start making your own videos and get a life.
@@UP4014SteamTrainFan Do You Know Union Pacific 5511 Being Restored? Because It Has An Awesome Whistle
@@willberestartingthischanne9984 I Heard Nothing about it
The UP willie James passenger car looks old. Guess it's due to no ribbed cars on the UP roster
sp 4449 is back
That's UP 844... What made you think it's 4449????
+Amtrak and AWVR Fan Clearly you can't read. He was just informing us 4449 is back. Does it say anywhere that he said that 844 was 4449?
+Amtrak and AWVR Fan he means 4449 is in service as well as 844
It would be cool to see 4449 doublehead with 844 again
Amtrak: 9 cars.
Union Pacific: 14 cars, u don't need 4 locomotives to pull 14 cars.
I don't the diesel pushers, the steamer isn't doing any of the work
These 3 are all deadheads
Theyre all idling and they do nothing
What makes you rhink otherwise?
I hope there can b e very high pressure to permit on UP steam for there is need to keep those names a live the4449 on home track I don,t see wha the UP gains by this will there ever be an Rail fair for every one would wantto see some thing SP on it I do not see why the Cab fwrd monster could not have been st adt number oneatratin the feeling are emotional.oh I wonder if might a $199 plus trip with the big boy and its cancieled the old steam buffs hve passed on there are younger c fans but how much will they pay??????
+david levine Can tell you flunked English, what with the way you spell and use no punctuation.
I assumed(an probably wrong in this) that the Big Boys were made more for pulling across the plains, than in the mountains, therefore the three diesels were to help it.
Why in hell do thye have diesels on the steam locomotives in any case. These engines once ruled the rails without and before diesels. They did n't just break down. The steam group says they rebuild these to factory specs - SO why the diesels.
Braking power
jthere should be a strong protest that its just being pushed around by dielsle who want wants to see that the feelings are stgronng like SP power on the old SP I c ould see the diesles for going down grade were the grade hits 2.5% would the fare hit like a $199 a head for a one day trip
How nice of GE to spoil yet ANOTHER video...
Wheelslipepicness😂
844 with mars light is better
ดีใจมากมีความสร้างสรรที่ชอบเหมือนกัน
Зачем в поезде ТЕПЛОВОЗЫ? Фальшивый паровоз! :-(
actually it's for dynamic brake, the driver controls it. These diesels are just a scam, they don't do anything there