Grayson Perry's Big American Road Trip l Grayson Perry makes a dinner party awkward
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2020
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Grayson is very astute in his judgements and observations. These people don't want to hear about themselves and who they are.
Ooooo, "these people" may be an unsafe beginning to human social observation.
Ok , he shines like a diamond amongst the rubble. 💫🌟
Thank you Grayson Perry for raising these questions in such a P.C. environment. Americans are absolutely afraid of talking about class. There’s this delusion that class does not exist, hence the need to hold on to identity politics. However, we can’t escape class!!!
Class war, not race war.
Just the best observation ever, thank you for sharing this. There's so few people who think this way anymore.
Haha, so you guys have the same culturally blinkered bourgeoisie as us, then? Explains a lot.
Great clip! Grayson Perry is awesome and I loved his thoughts on this.
'MV is not a place in which we wave a flag of money and power'. Which was exactly Grayson's point; having the option to even entertain that choice kind of says it all.
And up to that point I'm thinking: good on you. But when you start denying it... that's when it gets tricky. Good interviews, as always!
Thank you for calling out these people, Grayson! They may not own the truth, but you spotted it immediately. Martha's Vinyard is one giant flag that proclaims: "We are wealthy! We are tasteful! We are old money!"
I love Grayson Perry's work but a) he is very wealthy and privileged himself and b) nobody likes an outsider to come in and think they've got a community all figured out in a couple of days. I totally understand the angry and embarrassed reaction he got.
I largely agree with Grayson that people at the table are saying something but doing something else.
It is definitely elistism to have all these influential people gathered around the table and of course they are going to talk about whatever is going on in their privileged lives. There is no doubt that class does shape a large part of the conversations they had at the dinner party. Saying that there is no class there is just purely hyprocratic. What's wrong with admiring that they are privileged? The act as if privilege is some sort of taboo word but I guess in America you have this intricate sentiment that if you are privileged, you are the suppressor of society which might not go along with the ideology of a good liberal though many of them probably are more right-leaning.
Mention Marth's Vineyard and what comes to mind? The Obama's and Clintons on vacation. The Kennedys. Not exactly just folks. I recall a New Yorker cartoon that featured Charlene Hunter Galt. She is such an aristocratic liberal as to be iconic enough to appear in a New Yorker cartoon.. The people around that table look like they came from central casting.
Interesting man👍🏾.
Hmmm...not class classified? Could my family of 7 who makes $45k a year live there?
Or me on my $12K a year in social security? I think not.
That *dinner party* has a lot of what he’s talking about, and are old enough to remember the place as a WASP Establishment bastion, but in no way is that the Vineyard today. How can you tell? Look at who gets on the ferry. And once summer’s over, it’s a different place anyhow. An artist is supposed to be able to look with his eyes. Also, if you’re going to try to be provocative, do some homework besides reading the Guardian that morning. If you asked those people whether they’d pay a stack more in taxes so that everyone could have better education, healthcare, housing, all that, and have middle-class concerns and views again, they’d say yes of course. But they aren’t the ones whose “yes of course” has made any difference in the last two decades. And Rose Styron would not be interested in hosting the people whose yes would be decisive. Nor are they the people with the power to un-sort the country geographically and undo the perversions of the Electoral College. He’s got the wrong crowd.
Are there working class people living in Martha's Vineyard? News to me. I assumed all the servants and tradespeople came in from the surrounding area. That place has a reputation of money, money, money.
That New England is the most waspy part of America isn't an affectation; just a reality of history and geography. Every other town takes its name from somewhere in Devon or Cornwall, and it's where the oldest universities are. So, I wouldn't say that's pretentious - it's just how things have always been (since kicking the natives out).
diversity is not osterity
Amen.
I am glad you told that black lady to check her privileged when she wanted to be treated as a individual.
You can’t study a group of people in thats short of time and have an educated opinion of them. You are still riding on your own biases.
Stole the land and say: American culture 😁🤣🤣🤣😂😂
A WASP assassin
He pronounces words so intensely, I'm afraid he's going to injury his mouth in some way. Perry would have to go a long way from Martha's Vineyard to find "Trump's America." At least into eastern Pennsylvania, some 400 miles from Martha's Vineyard.
First!!!
Another UK show where the British host goes supposedly to explore and learn about current America or American society and just ends up shallowly criticizing it. Miriam Margolyes, now Grayson Perry. Maybe it would help to send someone who is more interested in listening than in making their own editorial? Assuming the point is to learn.... But if the point is just to entertain, then carry on. (No pun or reference intended.)
@L M lmao and spray on cheese
How can you learn about a culture in a show, some people live in a country for years and still haven’t a grasp on the culture. Even Americans are vastly different state to state.
@L M don’t pretend. Learn or ignore. Entirely your choice. But don’t whinge.
Meh, it’s the London media way. I still listen to World Service, and they still reliably have the Screaming Hour, when some reporter named Kevin or Ian is in some Far-Off Postcolonial Land with a lot of howling and ululation because of a local tragedy, and Ian asks a local for comment, then becomes increasingly annoyed because the local isn’t shaping the decades-long story briskly in the way he wants to hear, then cuts him off, makes some glib and inane summary, and over to you in London.
Bell, looking from outside America, the writing's on your collective wall. The trouble is though, that there are many Americans that are frightened of the country's demographic trend and what it implies and will push - with violence if necessary - to stop it. You're sitting on a social powder keg over there. That's not a criticism, it's an observation, backed by what happened at the Capitol on 6 January ; it was a symptom of the conflicting undercurrents within present day American society.
Why should they question their privilege?? Hate em cause you ain't em.
You seem to have missed the point of the video. The rich don’t care about us.
@@TheAxeaman And I don't care about them. Unless they want to buy me a big bag of weed.
Marxist Vinyard