I read that big Matt Johnson was homeless and living on the streets of Manhattan Beach in Ca. Sad if true. Love to see Chris interview Randy Holt. A guy who really feared no one.
Stu and Probert had some battles. Remember watching Bob Probert and how old and tired he looked still trying to fight later in his career. All the young tough guys wanting a shot at Probie and pounding him as he hung on. Sad
My ultimate best nhl fighters of all time Chris Nilan (I’m a Habs fan growing up in the 80’), Tony Twist, Bob Probert, Tie Domi and John Kordic. These guys fight anyone 😂 never shy away from an invitation. Didn’t include Laraque, Lucic, Chara, Reaves and some other fighters as they sometimes seem to pick their spots.
Dave Brown and big Georges never backed down. Brown fought when it was rampant and expected. Georges fought when the league was starting to shy away from fighting, so while it may appear he “picked and chose” when to fight, you gotta remember that the League was increasingly encouraging these guys not to do it just for the sake of entertainment. He was scared of no one.
Great interview. Stu is pretty sharp mentally after years of playing that role - he's one of the lucky ones... guys like Stephen Peat were not so lucky. Two guys I'd love to see on this podcast are Peat and Matt Johnson - if he is anywhere to be found....
It is what you brought to the table before your fighting career and what you do afterwards. The grim reaper obviously had an education and did okay in school. Most NHL fighters were barely grade nine drop outs.
Matt Johnson’s story is sad as hell. Along with Peats. And that’s not even mentioning the ones who have passed away. Last heard, Donald Brashear was serving in a Tim Hortons….the guy used to drive a Lamborghini..
@hordichuck damn... these men were protectors... guys that became folk heros for sacrificing their bodies and making a commitment to their teammates, night in night out. The league made tons of money from them as well because they also put asses in seats. Now, they're all but forgotten by teams that counted on their services for their team's success....very sad..
Because it’s the only way for hockey players to exercise justice that in no way shape or form otherwise could be equaled with any punitive measures by the league and or refs during in game play . The 3 strike rule hasn’t solved much as now you will only find players willing to push the limit until they finally receive that first strike , and will continue to do so until that second strike comes and possibly a third toward the end of their careers , but in the interim they have left a ton of collateral damage to other players . Thus it’s rendered ineffective in deterrence at least when compared to the deterrence found in enforcers and this is backed up by penalty stats and injury stats . Like children players will see how much they can get away with until they finally receive a slap however the slap wont be by an enforcer but by the league . During that time they caused immeasurable damage they would likely not have should they’ve known to face the repercussions by players like say a Stu Grimson , Bob Probert , Joey Kocur , Tie Domi , Marty McSorely and countless other policemen of the game . Then you can include in that list players with talent and size with the skill to fight such as Cam Neely , Adam Graves , Eric Lindros who in my opinion could take on the best enforcers being such a large strong man with fighting skills in addition to his playing skills and then a whole bunch of other talented tough guys . The NHL today has neither enforcers left nor talented hard nose players left willing to beat the pulp out of any dirty players , or pests , or players running around taking shots . Such is the league Gary the Nose Bettman the Jew York Lawyer has created in his last 30 years since he is more concerned about expanding the league meaning money - in markets where no one cares for hockey - and to make the game more appealing to people who traditionally don’t and won’t watch much of hockey . In reality despite all his self accolades he has not solidified the league as a top 4 American sport in the exact way it was a solid top 4 before he took over and even during his initial few years- that is before he could cause too much damage . He got off to a good start though with the stupid instigator rule and other rules during his first year in charge . So we can clearly see the culmination of all these years of punitive rules , lockouts , over expansion which further diluted league talent , gimmicky changes to the rules of in game play , the gimmicky shootout before there was once dignity in a draw and dignity winning in OT winning two pts while the same dignity also applied to the team who lost receiving no pts because it really is undignified to award a pt for simply for getting the draw and then determining the extra pt by way of a shootout ( what is this participation league trophy time ? ) and all this has led to Ice Hockey in the NHL being a North American sport that’s not even spoken of anymore and definitely not in the top 4 North American sports in viewership . Maybe not even in the top 8 anymore. Mind you Rappers of the 90s wore hockey jerseys , yes rappers , and that is how much the sport transcended traditional boundaries where no such thing since then has occurred .
Ummm, if indeed fighting is so irrelevant, I dare you to step on the ice and run your mouth off against any of the tough guys on any team. I think you'll quickly recognize the relevance of turtling.
@@grazzer1673 People mouth off all the time, yet fights do not necessarily occur. Fights usually happen due to other circumstances. Fighting does have a place still, and I would not ever want for it to be removed; I simply meant to say that fighting does not have as much significance as it used to, and planned fights are not as much of a thing. The culture has changed a bit, although I still respect it. I could have worded my original comment better.
No disrespect to Stu Grimson but he was in the line up for one reason. Anaheim as an expansion team (1993) needed to promote fighting and had Stu and Todd Ewen and they fought a lot. It was only going to end one way for Stu - very sorry for Todd Ewen much like Stu he was a big personality with a lot of creative intelligence but he also put himself at risk. I hope you can take good care of yourself - you won way way more than you lost but you were really throwing them with other heavyweights
I don’t mind guys like Stu talking about concussions/sharing their experience so long as it’s not an advocation against fighting. Without, guys like Stu would have just remained on the street so to speak.
Exactly. These guys pretending they didn't know that receiving punchs to the head was bad for your health is aggravating and dishonest. I've had some concussions from a few street fights and I didn't have anyone to cover the bills, offer me support, tell me I'm a hero, and pay me $$$$$$ a year to do it.
I’m sure Stu Grimson really cares about your opinion 👍. And if you think Grimson was ever a ‘street’ guy, you have no knowledge of the man whatsoever lol
Quebec Major Jr , I believe has banned fighting this year. I played and fought battles on and off the ice. Some great Hockey being played without fighting,,,,,,,,,,and no Contact
Ex Enforcers talking like they had no idea that getting punched in the head was bad for you in the 80's. They got paid $$$$$ for it and they knew full well. Now some of those ex goons want powderpuff hockey an no puching boxing match's. Cut the Shet already.
@@insertnamehere313 You may be right to an extent, but they full well knew it could lead to serious impairment and even death. What else would anyone need to know?
@@insertnamehere313 By you be right to an extent, I was talking about your comment about the original usage of extent. Ie, They did not know the full extent. Meaning I already acknowledged what you just stated. What I'm saying now, is that changes nothing. Once anyone knows they are risking serious long term impairment and or death, further detailing's shouldn't even really even be a factor. They chose to take that risk anyway. Now they want that ability taken away by laws from other people. But the same people who whine about it love women's UFC and MMA. And seeing people beaten into coma's. I hate hypocrisy, So I call it all Bullshet)
I have always respected the Grim Reaper, seems like a good guy👊
I read that big Matt Johnson was homeless and living on the streets of Manhattan Beach in Ca. Sad if true. Love to see Chris interview Randy Holt. A guy who really feared no one.
Great interview. Thanks fellas
Stu and Probert had some battles. Remember watching Bob Probert and how old and tired he looked still trying to fight later in his career. All the young tough guys wanting a shot at Probie and pounding him as he hung on. Sad
My ultimate best nhl fighters of all time Chris Nilan (I’m a Habs fan growing up in the 80’), Tony Twist, Bob Probert, Tie Domi and John Kordic. These guys fight anyone 😂 never shy away from an invitation. Didn’t include Laraque, Lucic, Chara, Reaves and some other fighters as they sometimes seem to pick their spots.
Kocur, Rob Ray, and McSorley too.. haven’t seen the name Tony Twist in a while.. I remember him on Quebec..
when did laraque ever pick and choose? he never feared anyone
Dave Brown was pretty tough also.
Dave Brown and big Georges never backed down. Brown fought when it was rampant and expected. Georges fought when the league was starting to shy away from fighting, so while it may appear he “picked and chose” when to fight, you gotta remember that the League was increasingly encouraging these guys not to do it just for the sake of entertainment. He was scared of no one.
Great interview. Stu is pretty sharp mentally after years of playing that role - he's one of the lucky ones... guys like Stephen Peat were not so lucky. Two guys I'd love to see on this podcast are Peat and Matt Johnson - if he is anywhere to be found....
It is what you brought to the table before your fighting career and what you do afterwards. The grim reaper obviously had an education and did okay in school. Most NHL fighters were barely grade nine drop outs.
@greggibbons1113 and he did one heck of an itsy bitsy spider. 🕷 😂
Matt Johnson’s story is sad as hell. Along with Peats.
And that’s not even mentioning the ones who have passed away.
Last heard, Donald Brashear was serving in a Tim Hortons….the guy used to drive a Lamborghini..
@hordichuck damn... these men were protectors... guys that became folk heros for sacrificing their bodies and making a commitment to their teammates, night in night out. The league made tons of money from them as well because they also put asses in seats. Now, they're all but forgotten by teams that counted on their services for their team's success....very sad..
@@BootneckAlphaKilo A very high percentile of pro athletes blow their money. A Lamborghini sounds about right.
It’s funny how fighting is so irrelevant and scarce yet still appreciated.
Because it’s the only way for hockey players to exercise justice that in no way shape or form otherwise could be equaled with any punitive measures by the league and or refs during in game play . The 3 strike rule hasn’t solved much as now you will only find players willing to push the limit until they finally receive that first strike , and will continue to do so until that second strike comes and possibly a third toward the end of their careers , but in the interim they have left a ton of collateral damage to other players . Thus it’s rendered ineffective in deterrence at least when compared to the deterrence found in enforcers and this is backed up by penalty stats and injury stats . Like children players will see how much they can get away with until they finally receive a slap however the slap wont be by an enforcer but by the league . During that time they caused immeasurable damage they would likely not have should they’ve known to face the repercussions by players like say a Stu Grimson , Bob Probert , Joey Kocur , Tie Domi , Marty McSorely and countless other policemen of the game . Then you can include in that list players with talent and size with the skill to fight such as Cam Neely , Adam Graves , Eric Lindros who in my opinion could take on the best enforcers being such a large strong man with fighting skills in addition to his playing skills and then a whole bunch of other talented tough guys . The NHL today has neither enforcers left nor talented hard nose players left willing to beat the pulp out of any dirty players , or pests , or players running around taking shots . Such is the league Gary the Nose Bettman the Jew York Lawyer has created in his last 30 years since he is more concerned about expanding the league meaning money - in markets where no one cares for hockey - and to make the game more appealing to people who traditionally don’t and won’t watch much of hockey . In reality despite all his self accolades he has not solidified the league as a top 4 American sport in the exact way it was a solid top 4 before he took over and even during his initial few years- that is before he could cause too much damage . He got off to a good start though with the stupid instigator rule and other rules during his first year in charge . So we can clearly see the culmination of all these years of punitive rules , lockouts , over expansion which further diluted league talent , gimmicky changes to the rules of in game play , the gimmicky shootout before there was once dignity in a draw and dignity winning in OT winning two pts while the same dignity also applied to the team who lost receiving no pts because it really is undignified to award a pt for simply for getting the draw and then determining the extra pt by way of a shootout ( what is this participation league trophy time ? ) and all this has led to Ice Hockey in the NHL being a North American sport that’s not even spoken of anymore and definitely not in the top 4 North American sports in viewership . Maybe not even in the top 8 anymore. Mind you Rappers of the 90s wore hockey jerseys , yes rappers , and that is how much the sport transcended traditional boundaries where no such thing since then has occurred .
Ummm, if indeed fighting is so irrelevant, I dare you to step on the ice and run your mouth off against any of the tough guys on any team.
I think you'll quickly recognize the relevance of turtling.
@@grazzer1673 People mouth off all the time, yet fights do not necessarily occur. Fights usually happen due to other circumstances.
Fighting does have a place still, and I would not ever want for it to be removed; I simply meant to say that fighting does not have as much significance as it used to, and planned fights are not as much of a thing. The culture has changed a bit, although I still respect it.
I could have worded my original comment better.
No disrespect to Stu Grimson but he was in the line up for one reason. Anaheim as an expansion team (1993) needed to promote fighting and had Stu and Todd Ewen and they fought a lot. It was only going to end one way for Stu - very sorry for Todd Ewen much like Stu he was a big personality with a lot of creative intelligence but he also put himself at risk. I hope you can take good care of yourself - you won way way more than you lost but you were really throwing them with other heavyweights
I don’t mind guys like Stu talking about concussions/sharing their experience so long as it’s not an advocation against fighting. Without, guys like Stu would have just remained on the street so to speak.
Exactly. These guys pretending they didn't know that receiving punchs to the head was bad for your health is aggravating and dishonest. I've had some concussions from a few street fights and I didn't have anyone to cover the bills, offer me support, tell me I'm a hero, and pay me $$$$$$ a year to do it.
I’m sure Stu Grimson really cares about your opinion 👍.
And if you think Grimson was ever a ‘street’ guy, you have no knowledge of the man whatsoever lol
@@BootneckAlphaKilowell said
Grimson is a smart guy
Stu Grimsons an attorney
Quebec Major Jr , I believe has banned fighting this year. I played and fought battles on and off the ice. Some great Hockey being played without fighting,,,,,,,,,,and no Contact
Stu doled out a few concessions, knuckles too
Love the DJ shirt Chris....Go Celts!!!!
Stu and Chris are stand-up guys.
I would have rather had anyone in the league punch me in the head than Laraque 💯
Laraque's left or Kocur's right. Tough decision. Maybe Joey's righty first so I'd be dead and wouldn't feel the pain of Big Georges' lefty anymore.
But I see Peter Worrell here (thumbnail)?
🥊
What's up Louis? Get back to work
@@therawknucklespodcast always working hard buddy
Ex Enforcers talking like they had no idea that getting punched in the head was bad for you in the 80's. They got paid $$$$$ for it and they knew full well. Now some of those ex goons want powderpuff hockey an no puching boxing match's. Cut the Shet already.
@@insertnamehere313 You may be right to an extent, but they full well knew it could lead to serious impairment and even death. What else would anyone need to know?
@@insertnamehere313 By you be right to an extent, I was talking about your comment about the original usage of extent. Ie, They did not know the full extent. Meaning I already acknowledged what you just stated. What I'm saying now, is that changes nothing. Once anyone knows they are risking serious long term impairment and or death, further detailing's shouldn't even really even be a factor. They chose to take that risk anyway. Now they want that ability taken away by laws from other people. But the same people who whine about it love women's UFC and MMA. And seeing people beaten into coma's. I hate hypocrisy, So I call it all Bullshet)
you are a class act.
@@jaysoncea9376 Thanks, Glad you can see that.
As a Black man, he is the reason I am a lifelong hockey fan, he is my GOAT!
Hockey owes him!