The way I interpret the distant Lothric Castle and Anor Londo is as mirages of great kingdoms long past. Not physical structures or magical illusions but just a sort of narrative optical illusion taking place from the player character's perspective. I have the feeling that if you were to walk all the way over to the castles, they would keep receding into the sunset or eventually reveal themselves to be an oddly shaped mountain.
A LOT of dark souls lore, and overall real world mythology is also trans as hell. Loki, whom everyone should be familiar with, was known for gender bending. Many, many gods and heroes from various cultures across the world were the same. It's really only conservative culture becoming mainstream that made it weird. (And the sort of aggressive mingling of trans identity with super niche issues, like sports, and that controversy affecting all of the people who don't care about it)
I was getting into an online argument (pointless I know) about how lgbt stuff really is in fromsoft games, citing Ring Freddie as the most clear-cut, plain language example but lots of people just won't admit it.
@@herb9838 that just parallels real life. The whole reality is LGBT people are real, and have been real, forever and some people are just too narrowminded to acknowledge that. Those people are usually pretty ignorant about history, archaeology and humanity. Public education is failing people at this point
@@hawkeyegough4172 who the hell was even talking to you? What are you even on about? Are you really that upset about people seeing LGBT themes in characters? Is that really so offensive to you, that you comment at me, defending yourself about some other post I've never even seen?
@@hawkeyegough4172 do you get this upset about depictions of straight relationships? Do you get mad at Valentine's day? Or is it JUST when it's LGBT people, that you feel like "ohhhh nooo they're taking over!"
The egg, it's sealing time. Didn't know this till Sophie said it, lodran (or what ever this city was called) is in ruins when you're on your way to the ringed city but when you get there you can see it in the distance and it's fine. In the 3 games, So much time has passed many kingdoms have risen and fallen, yet the ring city is fine. It's definitely not, but you can see the original warriors, the structures, everything is the original article but this is presumably at the end of history. The ring city was made and sealed during Gwynn's time, but here only now falling apart. In none of the games prior did we get any kind of lore about the ring City, we never even found the dark soul or remnants of, because it was here. The egg is sealing time... or slowing. We can see lodran (or whatever) fine because the egg even affects the time of light. Kind of like looking at the night sky you see all these stars, start that at present may not even exist because they have died millions of years ago but their light is only just reaching us. The moment the player touches the egg time catches up, crashing down on everything and everyone in the city and only the very Lord's remain. And the player, and ghael for some reason.
I was watching Vaati’s newest video. And within the first 20 seconds he used the word “reborn” and my disappointment was palpable when there was no Sophie cutaway to explain. :,( It’s so hard watching other FromSoft channels that lack that special pizzaz that is Sinclair lore! Love your uploads and sense of humour and chemistry! No one else is brave enough to make 5hrs of content for arguably one of the animes of all time!!
Always good to hear a smackdown on the reductive 1-for-1 lore discussions which have been floating around recently, making evocative and fascinating art into wiki pages. FromSoft writers are so clearly invested in gender and sexuality and relationships it’s ridiculous to pretend otherwise!
Elden Ring is definitely DS2 2 :) you can really tell Yui Tanimura was co-director on ER, I genuinely don't think it would have been as great a game without him
That ceremony/world tendency system for DS3 sounded so cool, I'm so disappointed that they cut it. I can't say for sure why but part of me thinks that one big reason was a fear of experimenting with new ideas because of some backlash for DS2, which is very irritating. Edit: to offer an explanation to the Ringed City conundrums asked about, to me it seems clear that it's harkening back to the idea presented in DS1 about the "flow of time being convoluted." There, it suggested that time and space are intertwined with the linking of the fire thanks to Gwyns meddling. As the fire fades, space and time twist around the first flame, which is why in DS3 they talk about the "transitory lands converging". And the way I understand it, DS3 is essentially at the end of time. The entire game world you play in is a facade of the fading flame, and land made up of a patchwork of ages to try and keep the fire alive at any cost. We even see this with untended graves, a timeline where the fire wasn't linked, where Gundyr failed. And what happened? The world rewrote itself to try and give the unkindled a second chance. So in the Ringed City, Gwyn is trying to prevent the age of Dark from coming by essentially trapping the pygmies in time, freezing them with Filianores egg. This is why you have to go through locations from DS3, DS2, and DS1 to finally get there, you are going back in time. So when you shatter the egg, it transports the city to the present, to the end of time. And this is why Anor London and Lothric are in the background, as it depicts the lands that are still converging, desperately trying to offset the end of the world. And when you meet Gael, you realize he took the long way here. For you, it was an instant, but Gael spends hundreds upon thousands of years looking for the dark soul, until he found them, at the very end of time in a wasteland with only one other person in the universe there with him: you. Also the reason you kill Gael is because that was his plan. He knew consuming the Dark Soul would change him, which is why he tells you about the plan in the first place, guides you to the Ringed City. He's consuming it to coalesce the dark soul into one medium: his blood. That's why you can give her the pigment and Gael can't, because once he consumes the entirety of the dark soul, he goes hollow. His plan from the beginning was to sacrifice himself, knowing that the painter would have someone to help finish her painting; once again, it's you.
Any Thoughts on thoughts on the theory that Nanaya was Shabriri all along? Seduce Midra and fuel him with sorrow to burn the frenzied flame all the brighter?
The one problem that I find with that is why shank him with the greatsword of damnation? He already harboured chaos within him and was a would be (wannabe) Lord of chaos/frenzied flame
@@insertedgynamehere___969 well Nanaya didn't shank him, the hornsent did. And my understanding is that he was indeed a wanna be, for he had not yet suffered enough to fully embrace the nihilism. The hornsent sought to punish him for dealing with this forbidden outer god, but in doing so provided the means for him to finally achieve that which he'd previously failed at. When we, the Tarnished lord to be, provide the last straw he well and truly becomes Lord of Frenzied flame (until we put him right back down that is)
I mean, i just assumed the great swamp was blightown, cause it has a bunch of ties to pyromancy, quelana is there, and it makes sense thats where pyromancy would stem from, plus laurentius is found in the depths, kinda as if he was making his way out of blightown
It keeps me up at night that the stakes of Marika, and now especially the statues of Marika in the Shadow of the Erdtree, have her posed in the shape of the death rune. Most of her statues have her posed to match her own rune, as she is in the end and in the DLC trailer. What do you suppose that is trying to say?
QUESTION *Is it possible thr healing church was established only after laurence remains was collected, in the future press interveiw, Michel zaki says laurence's skull served as the start of the church.* The healing church seem to love visualising laurence's death more than when he was a living man. Even in the dlc's grand cathedral you find his human skull below and autopsy sculpture which can be imagined to be laurence's autopsy, they love deifying his death, makes me think they were originally just called byrgenworth scholars to the people when they first came and only later employed the viel of religious organisation to earn the peoples trust and gain power in the city so they could more easily perform their experiments
Okay so I'm aware of the interview and I think it's a translation thing - Laurence is called out repeatedly as the guy who founded the church. Miyazaki may have meant "the skull is the foundation of the Church's knowledge" or something like that. Laurence is definitely present during the early days of the Church, it's referenced multiple times, mostly in the DLC.
OK, here's a weird one. What's the deal with flame god Flann, because I always thought that he is related to Izalith's family, but I never heard this assumption from other lore enthusiasts, so is there some secret info I don't know about?
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"Which Sin didn't tell me would happen"
Ahhh good to see Sin still bullies Sophie 🤣
The way I interpret the distant Lothric Castle and Anor Londo is as mirages of great kingdoms long past. Not physical structures or magical illusions but just a sort of narrative optical illusion taking place from the player character's perspective. I have the feeling that if you were to walk all the way over to the castles, they would keep receding into the sunset or eventually reveal themselves to be an oddly shaped mountain.
I love this
“alchemy is trans as hell” should pop up like a community note on every ER Lore video.
A LOT of dark souls lore, and overall real world mythology is also trans as hell. Loki, whom everyone should be familiar with, was known for gender bending. Many, many gods and heroes from various cultures across the world were the same.
It's really only conservative culture becoming mainstream that made it weird. (And the sort of aggressive mingling of trans identity with super niche issues, like sports, and that controversy affecting all of the people who don't care about it)
I was getting into an online argument (pointless I know) about how lgbt stuff really is in fromsoft games, citing Ring Freddie as the most clear-cut, plain language example but lots of people just won't admit it.
@@herb9838 that just parallels real life. The whole reality is LGBT people are real, and have been real, forever and some people are just too narrowminded to acknowledge that. Those people are usually pretty ignorant about history, archaeology and humanity. Public education is failing people at this point
@@hawkeyegough4172 who the hell was even talking to you? What are you even on about?
Are you really that upset about people seeing LGBT themes in characters? Is that really so offensive to you, that you comment at me, defending yourself about some other post I've never even seen?
@@hawkeyegough4172 do you get this upset about depictions of straight relationships? Do you get mad at Valentine's day? Or is it JUST when it's LGBT people, that you feel like "ohhhh nooo they're taking over!"
The egg, it's sealing time. Didn't know this till Sophie said it, lodran (or what ever this city was called) is in ruins when you're on your way to the ringed city but when you get there you can see it in the distance and it's fine.
In the 3 games, So much time has passed many kingdoms have risen and fallen, yet the ring city is fine. It's definitely not, but you can see the original warriors, the structures, everything is the original article but this is presumably at the end of history. The ring city was made and sealed during Gwynn's time, but here only now falling apart. In none of the games prior did we get any kind of lore about the ring City, we never even found the dark soul or remnants of, because it was here. The egg is sealing time... or slowing. We can see lodran (or whatever) fine because the egg even affects the time of light. Kind of like looking at the night sky you see all these stars, start that at present may not even exist because they have died millions of years ago but their light is only just reaching us.
The moment the player touches the egg time catches up, crashing down on everything and everyone in the city and only the very Lord's remain. And the player, and ghael for some reason.
Thank you for answering my question! This was great.
Holy shit that was actually your name???
@@josephjuncaj5784 Why would they write the wrong name
just assumed sin saw a name she couldnt pronounce or something
I was watching Vaati’s newest video. And within the first 20 seconds he used the word “reborn” and my disappointment was palpable when there was no Sophie cutaway to explain. :,(
It’s so hard watching other FromSoft channels that lack that special pizzaz that is Sinclair lore!
Love your uploads and sense of humour and chemistry! No one else is brave enough to make 5hrs of content for arguably one of the animes of all time!!
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Since a swamp is a nature smoothie, I wonder if the Great Swamp is a giant smoothie or a really good smoothie.
I have no idea how I missed this but thank you for answering my question! I wasn't even expecting a video explanation tbh.
Vendrick joking took the giant Lord’s nose and it all when down hill from there.
Always good to hear a smackdown on the reductive 1-for-1 lore discussions which have been floating around recently, making evocative and fascinating art into wiki pages. FromSoft writers are so clearly invested in gender and sexuality and relationships it’s ridiculous to pretend otherwise!
You answered my great swamp question! Yay!
Any time!
ER is Dark souls 2 2 confirmed. So sad Marika didn't get revealed to be a fire giant made golem but in my heart 😭. loved the vendrick talk!
also first
Elden Ring is definitely DS2 2 :) you can really tell Yui Tanimura was co-director on ER, I genuinely don't think it would have been as great a game without him
Wow, I have never disagreed with Sin so much
Hating magic is one thing, but hating the Painter ending? That's fucked
That ceremony/world tendency system for DS3 sounded so cool, I'm so disappointed that they cut it. I can't say for sure why but part of me thinks that one big reason was a fear of experimenting with new ideas because of some backlash for DS2, which is very irritating.
Edit: to offer an explanation to the Ringed City conundrums asked about, to me it seems clear that it's harkening back to the idea presented in DS1 about the "flow of time being convoluted." There, it suggested that time and space are intertwined with the linking of the fire thanks to Gwyns meddling. As the fire fades, space and time twist around the first flame, which is why in DS3 they talk about the "transitory lands converging". And the way I understand it, DS3 is essentially at the end of time. The entire game world you play in is a facade of the fading flame, and land made up of a patchwork of ages to try and keep the fire alive at any cost. We even see this with untended graves, a timeline where the fire wasn't linked, where Gundyr failed. And what happened? The world rewrote itself to try and give the unkindled a second chance. So in the Ringed City, Gwyn is trying to prevent the age of Dark from coming by essentially trapping the pygmies in time, freezing them with Filianores egg. This is why you have to go through locations from DS3, DS2, and DS1 to finally get there, you are going back in time. So when you shatter the egg, it transports the city to the present, to the end of time. And this is why Anor London and Lothric are in the background, as it depicts the lands that are still converging, desperately trying to offset the end of the world. And when you meet Gael, you realize he took the long way here. For you, it was an instant, but Gael spends hundreds upon thousands of years looking for the dark soul, until he found them, at the very end of time in a wasteland with only one other person in the universe there with him: you. Also the reason you kill Gael is because that was his plan. He knew consuming the Dark Soul would change him, which is why he tells you about the plan in the first place, guides you to the Ringed City. He's consuming it to coalesce the dark soul into one medium: his blood. That's why you can give her the pigment and Gael can't, because once he consumes the entirety of the dark soul, he goes hollow. His plan from the beginning was to sacrifice himself, knowing that the painter would have someone to help finish her painting; once again, it's you.
What is origin of Manus design and how he relates to Oolicile and War of the Dragons.
Any Thoughts on thoughts on the theory that Nanaya was Shabriri all along? Seduce Midra and fuel him with sorrow to burn the frenzied flame all the brighter?
The one problem that I find with that is why shank him with the greatsword of damnation?
He already harboured chaos within him and was a would be (wannabe) Lord of chaos/frenzied flame
@@insertedgynamehere___969 well Nanaya didn't shank him, the hornsent did. And my understanding is that he was indeed a wanna be, for he had not yet suffered enough to fully embrace the nihilism.
The hornsent sought to punish him for dealing with this forbidden outer god, but in doing so provided the means for him to finally achieve that which he'd previously failed at.
When we, the Tarnished lord to be, provide the last straw he well and truly becomes Lord of Frenzied flame (until we put him right back down that is)
"Alchemy was trans to begin with"
PREACH
I mean, i just assumed the great swamp was blightown, cause it has a bunch of ties to pyromancy, quelana is there, and it makes sense thats where pyromancy would stem from, plus laurentius is found in the depths, kinda as if he was making his way out of blightown
I think he was making his way *too* blighttown for the reasons you just mentioned (all the pyromancy stuff).
It keeps me up at night that the stakes of Marika, and now especially the statues of Marika in the Shadow of the Erdtree, have her posed in the shape of the death rune. Most of her statues have her posed to match her own rune, as she is in the end and in the DLC trailer.
What do you suppose that is trying to say?
Nice format! My question is: Why did Saint Klimt discard his faith and weapon? (I thought it was because the bridge got broken.)
QUESTION
*Is it possible thr healing church was established only after laurence remains was collected, in the future press interveiw, Michel zaki says laurence's skull served as the start of the church.*
The healing church seem to love visualising laurence's death more than when he was a living man.
Even in the dlc's grand cathedral you find his human skull below and autopsy sculpture which can be imagined to be laurence's autopsy, they love deifying his death,
makes me think they were originally just called byrgenworth scholars to the people when they first came and only later employed the viel of religious organisation to earn the peoples trust and gain power in the city so they could more easily perform their experiments
Okay so I'm aware of the interview and I think it's a translation thing - Laurence is called out repeatedly as the guy who founded the church. Miyazaki may have meant "the skull is the foundation of the Church's knowledge" or something like that. Laurence is definitely present during the early days of the Church, it's referenced multiple times, mostly in the DLC.
Hating magic isnt "the problem" its the solution!
This video has been up for a day and not a single person made a Make Swamp Great Again joke?
looool
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Something I’ve wondered for ages: why in the blue rubbery hell are those two Jailers invisible in DSIII?
In the wise words of Admiral Ackbar: "It's a trap!"
Why was Raime deemed a traitor to Vendrick? I’ve heard a few different takes on it.
Comment for the comment gods.
Ty!
OK, here's a weird one. What's the deal with flame god Flann, because I always thought that he is related to Izalith's family, but I never heard this assumption from other lore enthusiasts, so is there some secret info I don't know about?
love the implication that the gender coffin is a gender ambiguous character. Coffin-kun....