lol ikr. I've been following tech since the 2000s, and was there all excited for newcomers in SSDs. All the optimistic expectations for years to come... It's been 8 years since, and I've only now barely remembered SSHDs were a thing. They were a blip in the history of SSD technology. M.2, and now NVMe, have largely replaced even SATA SSDs. I don't even know if people seriously used those, if the adoption rate was decent. In hindsight, it makes sense that a hybrid wasn't going to be as popular as discrete hardware, but the introduction of M.2 SSDs and compatible motherboards making SSHDs obsolete happened way quicker than I thought it would. I just hope the SSHD manufacturers didn't put too many eggs in that SSHD basket.
@@Un1234l People are still using them. I use an SSD cache because it's alot cheaper than paying hundreds of dollars for mass SSD storage. It's lousy that so many hardware enthusiasts recommend SSD's as boot/gaming drives, when they don't present a good value at all right now (especially because modern games are huge). SSD storage is a solution meant for a laptop, not a desktop gaming rig or workstation.
You can still speed up hard drives using RAM Cache software, which is included free with some SSDs, or you can buy a separate RAM cache such as Romex software PrimoCache 2 Level RAM / SSD cache. All Read / Writes run from the RAM Cache, at DDR4 / DDR5 speeds - super fast! The Cache software spools data out to NVMe or SSD to keep the RAM running quickly, and to keep the data you use daily close at hand... It and everything else gets stored away on the Big mechanical hard drives, so your 8 / 16 / 20 TB drives get less wear and tear, and still store everything you need, as you need it. Nothing beats the speed of RAM caching.
@@Un1234llol SSHD only failed cuz it was a scam , there is a huge need for it since ever, I need to use 2 TB SDDs and 4-6 TB HDDs instead of SSHDs too
This is "fast as possible" not "thorough as possible". A search for SSD cache on RUclips brings up two videos from me in the top 10 that cover it in much more depth :)
too true..it has been rather long of late. Maybe they should stop throwing things at him too, and stopping the bad puns would help! are you writing this down, Linus?
This depends entirely on your budget: if its practically unlimited and you want to get the most out of it SSD all the way (or if you're totally insane, load SSD content onto a ramdisk and run your stuff from that but beware of potential data loss when you lose power that way). Me personally I went with both a regular harddrive (WD black 3 TB because I had one in the old rig) and a reasonably sized SSD. The OS sits on the first partition at the SSD and then with some room left on another partition for games. What goes on it? eh it really depends on what type of game it is and if I only just got it and plan to play it a lot. The majority of "I don't play these all that often" type things will be located on the harddrive. But if you're buying I guess look into the price premium of the hybrids for your local pricing, decide if that price point is okay with you or if you don't wish to spend that much and go with HDD. Also consider looking into how much more expensive equal capacity (or required capacity) of good quality SSD storage would cost you and if its within your budget tolerance without compromising other components get it!
TribunusLaticlavus so i can improve my gaming performance if i get ssd for games? i have 1tb hdd and i havent used it at all, everything is on windows c , and windows c thingy is almost full so should i start using my another drive? could there be any benefit if i move some shit from my pc to that other drive?
I've read it is important to keep the ssd with your OS on it with as large a chunk as possible of free space. Not sure why, but they said that was good. I also like for games, videos, things that are being installed and uninstalled from the computer to be away from the drive the OS is on. That is a great bonus to me. Also for games at least for me it does nothing in-game, load times are faster. I don't put games on it. I have a 256 ssd and 1tb hd and that is a great combo for me. Having a true ssd (laptop) like now amazed me; the difference. I had a hybrid before with maybe 8gb ssd storage so OS wasn't on it. Was not that impressed. www.hardocp.com/article/2013/12/10/hdd_vs_ssd_real_world_gaming_performance/5#.VQPVR1XF-9Y
Marvell 88SE9215 hyperduo technology, a PCI controller that connects your HDD and SSD and pairs them. So if u have small SSDs laying around you could hook them up to your HDDs as a cache
so is the difference between an ssd without cache and with cache: you have to manually choose storage to put into ssd's without cache and; ssd's with cache "dynamically, *AUTOMATICALLY*, intelligently [0:54]" store most commonly used data??? i'd appreciate someone's input :)
I'm thinking of getting an SSHD, and I was wondering, when building my rig, do I put it in the HDD or SSD sockets? I'm a huge noob but am binge-watching Linus' videos for the best tips and so it doesn't seem that obvious.
So would it be best to get a relatively small SSD for booting up and running apps, but then have a huge external HDD to save small files such as THIS PDFs, documents, songs, etc?
It learns automatically analyzing your usage patterns. If you read some files often - those files go to SSD cache, if you start using often something else, it updates the cache with the new files and so on. It takes some time for SSHD to learn your preferences.
System Cache for the SSD component and Your personal files to the HDD component. I wonder, how can you able to know if your storing the data in the SSD component or HDD component
definitively an HDD or SSHD. You wont render faster from a SSD, but booting and loading assets could us the speed. You will also more likely have 1 to 2 TB of assets that you need to store, so an HDD is a must. I love the SSHD I have, and i would recommend it to you.
Hey Linus, for my laptop, would you suggest going for a high capacity SSD or a hybrid drive? I was thinking either going 512GB M4, 500GB 840, or a 750GB Momentus XT.
some laptops/notebooks actually do use ssd caching. a large mechanical laptop hdd with a small 16gb or even 8gb ssd. they just use the smaller form factor ssd drives, often you can't even change them out without taking the whole laptop apart.
if your running them as separate drives then put the OS on the ssd songs, games, and movies go on the hdd because they don't normally need the speed of the ssd and because their is very little space on an ssd after the OS
I just bought a laptop with a hybrid drive in it that came with Win10 installed. There's space in it for a SSD. What would installing a 250gb SSD, and then moving the OS onto it, then using the Hybrid for normal data storage do as far as reading and writing when it comes to longevity?
But what about reliability? Is it also an in-between-thing or is it, due to Hard Drive components existing in the device, still only as reliable as the weakest link ( Hard Drive components )?
So if I'm building a new computer, with an SSD and HDD, will my computer automatically use the SSD storage as fast memory, or will i have to put specific programs and applications on that SSD in order for them to access quickly (Windows, and other frequently used games)? Is there any advantage over using seperate SSD and HDD as opposed to a hybrid drive outside of internal case space, or will two seperate drives work just as well? Thanks! :D
While I'm a Hackintosh user(will be switching over to windows entirely soon), I can say this: Out of the box, no.(btw install your copy of windows on the SSD). Whatever drive you installed your OS I believe will have applications, and the harddrive will be like another drive, it will show up like flashdrives do.
+Liam Borella You could tell by the earings. In America it is considered very unprofessional for men to dress up like whores for a presentation. Although I admit Linus does a pretty good job regardless and lets face it, this is youtube, so professionalism has nothing to do with it.
I have a question, how do you do the hybrid function (automatically store most used data) if you have both and hdd and a ssd. Are there any programs for that or how do you do? I mean, of course you can put in an ssd your system, your currently playing games and a couple of programs and in the hdd everything else, but what if i want to do what a hybrid does? Is it easily possible? Thanks ahead for reading :)
I need help please. I bought an SSD for 120GB but I'm not fairly happy with the amount of storage space for all my games, applications and data. I was thinking if is there a way that I can store all my games, applications and data on a 1TB WD Black Drive and using my 120GB SSD to stack the limits of performance into my WD Black Drive?
Not sure if this helps, but I have an SSD and a HDD in my computer, the OS is installed in the SSD, as well as my most used applications, while less used programs are installed on the HDD. For me it's simply to change the install directory from "C:\Program Files" to "E:\Program Files"
I have my first SSHD in my current build, and I haven't noticed much faster performance. I have a question though... wouldn't the cache of the SSHD degrade much faster than a standard SSD since information is constantly being written to it?
So Sandisk readycache is different from this, it copies windows boot files to their 32gb SSD and boots from the SSD, thus making boot times faster. It also caches loading files of programs you use a lot. I was looking for similair software (read freeware) to use any SSD i have liying around to speed up boot times. What you discribe will kill your SSD very quickly (many read and writes a second) This sounds like it actually puts windows virtual memory on your SSD, so why do they now call it cache?! Isn't it better to put virtual memory on a Ramdisk?
I wouldn't worry about. There is going to be a massive amount of videos coming out next month with Haswell and Nvidia's 700 series coming out at the same time.
Do SSHDs wear down like SSDs when you write to them a lot, that's the only reason I don't want to get an SSD (apart from the cost) because they're unreliable when doing a lot of writing to them.
ssd's wearing out fast is pretty much a thing from the past if you look at ssd endurance tests, none of the SSD's broke before 700TB of writes some started reallocating sectors after 400TB of writes, which is writing 100GB a day for 10 years, the only drives failing fasters were the samsung 840 series/840 EVO series,(not the pro, the pro is one of the best) because they use TLC memory (3bits per cell) compared to the MLC(2bits per cell) and SLC(1 bit per cell) other SSD's use techreport.com/review/26523/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-casualties-on-the-way-to-a-petabyte/5
So can you use HDD + mSata SSD w/o OS installed on it? I have an Alienware 18 with 3 ssd slots + 1 mSata slot, my plan is to upgrade to RAID-0 with 2 ssds ideally 120gb and 1TB HDD for storage. also thinking of mSata 24gb ssd as cache to use with the HDD to give it a boost. On the HDD mostly uses for large games files. Thanks
WD Black is just a slightly faster HDD than other HDDs. The SSHD will be of course much faster. The Black is really a waste of money though, because speeds really aren't that much faster than normal 7200rpm HDDs.
ChRoNicBuRrItOs I don't know why people think WD Black series is about speed. It's not, it's about durability! If you want bullet proof HD you buy WD Black, sort of. ;)
hello, what if we can't see the cache size even software ?? i have 2 hdd one with buffer cache and the other 1to without cache ? does hard disk without cache exist ? but when i run hdd speed test with program like Crystal disque mark, the second hdd without cache was way faster (3-4 times) what does that mean ? and which hdd is better for my OS ?
Well Linus, thanks for sharing. But... you didn't mention what systems allow SSD Caching, what softwares do it for you, what OEMs include SSD Caching software with their hardware, how to use SSD Caching, and so forth.
My primary is my SSD, and I use a XT 750 as my secondary in my desktop now. The XT used to be in my laptop, which is no longer my primary platform thus it's migration to my desktop. Eventually I want to get another XT, or perhaps two more. lol ;) Always a great quick.
I don't know alot about technology and computing which is why I'm learning off these videos, so do excuse if I ask any stupid questions >.< Is it possible to have both HDD and SSD? Would it work better than a hybrid? (I'm looking to custom make my next laptop)
+Shelleen Denise as long as there are two hard drive bays in the laptop but this is not very common, a lot of people will put the operating system on the SSD and put personal data on the HDD. This is better than a hybrid drive but is more expensive.
So ssd's has a bit of ram inside that makes it go a bit faster? Why couldnt they just have a sdd or a Little box where the ram and ssd are in the same Place so it goes faster and dosent need to transfer all the things to each other
Ive been really trying to Amp my storage on my ps4, but i cant keep my eye off that SSD speed. this hybrid is ideal for me, but is it an easy process of installing? I was also wondering if "New Seagate Desktop SSHD 2TB SATA 3.5" Solid State Hybrid Hard Drive ST2000DX001" was a reliable one for only $100 on ebay.
Can anyone answer this for me please? My notebook had a 32gb SSD cache and a 5400 RPM hard drive, would there be any benefit to me upgrading the mechanical drive to a SSD drive?
So would a SSD or SSHD make more sense to get if you're a person who does a little bit of everything on your computer? Gaming, browsing, etc etc. I'm looking for a affordable, fast disk to put my OS on, I already have a 3TB storage HDD so the OS disk doesn't really have to have room for anything other than my OS and perhaps the games I play the most atm. How reliable is a SSHD compared to a SSD? I've seen here and there that many people are experiencing read/write speeds dropping on SSD disks after a while. I'm on a budget and where I live I can get a SSHD for not that much more than a regular HDD, and that's quite a bit cheaper than a SSD.
SSD - Photoshop Browsers Windows SSHD - Games etc etc HDD - HUGE AMMOUNTS OF DATA I would ho with SSD or SSHD. If you dont need much space i would reccomend you an SSD
A SSD is better. Windows 7,8.1 and 10 all have 'trim' which limits your writes to the drive. Get a SSD of 60gb to 80gb for your OS. If you use Linux you will need to config the SSD.
Joey moutree Do a Google search for Windows 10 preview. Its a ISO and you can create a bootable USB with Windows 7 USB maker or make a DVD. I own and use several SSD but avoided a SSHD. Thanks for the tip.
Yes it can be used for such, and that is what it should be used for. Windows and installing most of your applications like steam, skype and whatever you want with the start-up. You can also put games on your SSD (I personally got 120gb kingston one) for lightning fast loading times.
Teodros Yemane-Brehan You have to install or clone your OS to that SSD, its just the same as when you install windows on a normal HDD. Then you reformat your old HDD and put your large files and install games with less demanding load times to it, just make a folder called "games" or whatever and manually select that drive instead of an express installation when you install the game. To install some Steam games on a SSD and some on a HDD is a littler trickier but there is a great free program called "Steam mover" that will automatically run all the command lines for you, it allows you to install Steam on either drive and then move specific games whilst leaving the others where they where. Its handy for installing Steam to the larger storage drive and then moving a few games over if you have limited SSD space.
I would suggest you do what I did, install steam on the HDD, and when you install a game select to install it on another drive. The reason why I have it setup like that is because steam is a small program and don't benefit that much from being on the SSD, and some games must be installed in the steam directory, and for those games I prefer to have them on the HDD rather than the SSD.
I just started using fancycache, can we get a review on that? I feel like i have noticed a performance increase however I do not have any programs to monitor my speeds before/after fancycache.
I have a simple question but I can't find any direct answers to it. What does it mean when an SSD has a 512MB cache on pcpartpicker and is that a good amount? Also, what is the recommended amount of cache?
512MB is a lot better than literally no cache, but you should look for at least 1GB of DRAM. I have two M.2 SSDs - one with 512MB DRAM and one DRAMless. The DRAM SSD is much faster in terms of write speed, but it still gets choked up when transferring large files/games/programs. In terms of capacity, go for a 1TB model because it'll have a 1GB cache (hopefully) and is overall faster.
Do you know where I can get a 16-32GB version, preferably within Holland? If I have to get them from outside the country, I usually pay a ton of shipping.
+Daniel Symonenko sshds are slow as balls if you don't have everything you need in the ssd. my imac came with a 120 gig ssd cache in the 1tb hdd (5400pm like most other sshds) and this thing crawls. it's much better to get an ssd and a 7200 rpm hdd
That would be called RAM Caching, and there are softwares out there that do it. I've heard it does increase your IOPS a lot. However, you need a LOT of RAM to make it effective; 32GB or 64GB (X79...?) would be where I'd start if I were to make such a system. And you do have online guides and comparisons about such softwares too. You've also got RAM drive softwares available. There are several that are good, some are even free. There are comparisons and guides about such softwares online.
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It would be awesome if you did a tutorial video on how to turn an SSD into a Cache drive.
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wow yet another linus channel, this guy is everywhere!
Love how much SSD has evolved! M.2 is just amazing!
lol ikr. I've been following tech since the 2000s, and was there all excited for newcomers in SSDs. All the optimistic expectations for years to come...
It's been 8 years since, and I've only now barely remembered SSHDs were a thing. They were a blip in the history of SSD technology. M.2, and now NVMe, have largely replaced even SATA SSDs. I don't even know if people seriously used those, if the adoption rate was decent.
In hindsight, it makes sense that a hybrid wasn't going to be as popular as discrete hardware, but the introduction of M.2 SSDs and compatible motherboards making SSHDs obsolete happened way quicker than I thought it would. I just hope the SSHD manufacturers didn't put too many eggs in that SSHD basket.
M.2 blew my mind when I first learned about it.
@@Un1234l People are still using them. I use an SSD cache because it's alot cheaper than paying hundreds of dollars for mass SSD storage. It's lousy that so many hardware enthusiasts recommend SSD's as boot/gaming drives, when they don't present a good value at all right now (especially because modern games are huge). SSD storage is a solution meant for a laptop, not a desktop gaming rig or workstation.
You can still speed up hard drives using RAM Cache software, which is included free with some SSDs, or you can buy a separate RAM cache such as Romex software PrimoCache 2 Level RAM / SSD cache. All Read / Writes run from the RAM Cache, at DDR4 / DDR5 speeds - super fast! The Cache software spools data out to NVMe or SSD to keep the RAM running quickly, and to keep the data you use daily close at hand... It and everything else gets stored away on the Big mechanical hard drives, so your 8 / 16 / 20 TB drives get less wear and tear, and still store everything you need, as you need it. Nothing beats the speed of RAM caching.
@@Un1234llol SSHD only failed cuz it was a scam , there is a huge need for it since ever, I need to use 2 TB SDDs and 4-6 TB HDDs instead of SSHDs too
Don't forget to what!?!? the video cut off!
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Did I just watch a Techquickie video without a shitty advertisement at the end?
This is "fast as possible" not "thorough as possible". A search for SSD cache on RUclips brings up two videos from me in the top 10 that cover it in much more depth :)
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well the show is called as fast as posible. they're trying to save time!
too true..it has been rather long of late. Maybe they should stop throwing things at him too, and stopping the bad puns would help!
are you writing this down, Linus?
WHAT? Don't Forget To WHAT?!?
Nice work and thank you because after sharing this video with my non-technical friends, they now get it!
So...if I am building a gaming focused computer, what should I get to put my games library on?
A Hybrid, SSD, or standard HD?
I would use an SSD for your OS and basic programs like Chrome and get a 1TB or more harddrive for storing games.
This depends entirely on your budget: if its practically unlimited and you want to get the most out of it SSD all the way (or if you're totally insane, load SSD content onto a ramdisk and run your stuff from that but beware of potential data loss when you lose power that way).
Me personally I went with both a regular harddrive (WD black 3 TB because I had one in the old rig) and a reasonably sized SSD. The OS sits on the first partition at the SSD and then with some room left on another partition for games. What goes on it? eh it really depends on what type of game it is and if I only just got it and plan to play it a lot.
The majority of "I don't play these all that often" type things will be located on the harddrive. But if you're buying I guess look into the price premium of the hybrids for your local pricing, decide if that price point is okay with you or if you don't wish to spend that much and go with HDD. Also consider looking into how much more expensive equal capacity (or required capacity) of good quality SSD storage would cost you and if its within your budget tolerance without compromising other components get it!
TribunusLaticlavus so i can improve my gaming performance if i get ssd for games? i have 1tb hdd and i havent used it at all, everything is on windows c , and windows c thingy is almost full so should i start using my another drive? could there be any benefit if i move some shit from my pc to that other drive?
TribunusLaticlavus thank you for helping!
I've read it is important to keep the ssd with your OS on it with as large a chunk as possible of free space. Not sure why, but they said that was good. I also like for games, videos, things that are being installed and uninstalled from the computer to be away from the drive the OS is on. That is a great bonus to me. Also for games at least for me it does nothing in-game, load times are faster. I don't put games on it. I have a 256 ssd and 1tb hd and that is a great combo for me.
Having a true ssd (laptop) like now amazed me; the difference. I had a hybrid before with maybe 8gb ssd storage so OS wasn't on it. Was not that impressed.
www.hardocp.com/article/2013/12/10/hdd_vs_ssd_real_world_gaming_performance/5#.VQPVR1XF-9Y
Marvell 88SE9215 hyperduo technology, a PCI controller that connects your HDD and SSD and pairs them. So if u have small SSDs laying around you could hook them up to your HDDs as a cache
so is the difference between an ssd without cache and with cache: you have to manually choose storage to put into ssd's without cache and; ssd's with cache "dynamically, *AUTOMATICALLY*, intelligently [0:54]" store most commonly used data??? i'd appreciate someone's input :)
how do you set up SSD cache?
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Marvell 88SE9215 hyperduo technology, google it
I'm thinking of getting an SSHD, and I was wondering, when building my rig, do I put it in the HDD or SSD sockets? I'm a huge noob but am binge-watching Linus' videos for the best tips and so it doesn't seem that obvious.
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i love these videos! are there integrated drives where you can access each drive individually? on linux that can create a very optimized system
do you mean we only use hdd to store data but not ssd on hybrid? how much space do we get on hybrid ssd?
thanks for sharing - been debating on what drive to get for my next build.
So would it be best to get a relatively small SSD for booting up and running apps, but then have a huge external HDD to save small files such as THIS PDFs, documents, songs, etc?
I asked for this Tech Quickie on the Forum... :D Now it's here :)
1. How does the system know what to put on the HDD and what to put on the SSD?
2. Would this have the low boot time of an SSD?
It learns automatically analyzing your usage patterns. If you read some files often - those files go to SSD cache, if you start using often something else, it updates the cache with the new files and so on. It takes some time for SSHD to learn your preferences.
Hey Linus, would you recommend using a SSD as a system drive or save it just for games?
System Cache for the SSD component and Your personal files to the HDD component. I wonder, how can you able to know if your storing the data in the SSD component or HDD component
Thank you for this :D You have honestly taught me so much with your channel!
Is there a way to put a cache ssd on omv for fsster home server loading? I fot 256g ssd i have no other use for
I am building a PC mostly for video editing, what should i pick.. HDD and SSD as a cache, or SSD as a boot system and HDD as a storage?
definitively an HDD or SSHD. You wont render faster from a SSD, but booting and loading assets could us the speed. You will also more likely have 1 to 2 TB of assets that you need to store, so an HDD is a must. I love the SSHD I have, and i would recommend it to you.
Thank you for that info. I'll be on the lookout for that video.
Hey Linus, for my laptop, would you suggest going for a high capacity SSD or a hybrid drive? I was thinking either going 512GB M4, 500GB 840, or a 750GB Momentus XT.
Could you maybe go in to a bit more how to manually enable your ssd as cache to your mechanical hard drive?
some laptops/notebooks actually do use ssd caching. a large mechanical laptop hdd with a small 16gb or even 8gb ssd. they just use the smaller form factor ssd drives, often you can't even change them out without taking the whole laptop apart.
How does this compare to having two separate hard drives, one an HDD and one an SSD?
if your running them as separate drives then put the OS on the ssd songs, games, and movies go on the hdd because they don't normally need the speed of the ssd and because their is very little space on an ssd after the OS
I just bought a laptop with a hybrid drive in it that came with Win10 installed. There's space in it for a SSD. What would installing a 250gb SSD, and then moving the OS onto it, then using the Hybrid for normal data storage do as far as reading and writing when it comes to longevity?
But what about reliability? Is it also an in-between-thing or is it, due to Hard Drive components existing in the device, still only as reliable as the weakest link ( Hard Drive components )?
What about the cache memory of an SSD? :P
So if I'm building a new computer, with an SSD and HDD, will my computer automatically use the SSD storage as fast memory, or will i have to put specific programs and applications on that SSD in order for them to access quickly (Windows, and other frequently used games)? Is there any advantage over using seperate SSD and HDD as opposed to a hybrid drive outside of internal case space, or will two seperate drives work just as well?
Thanks! :D
While I'm a Hackintosh user(will be switching over to windows entirely soon), I can say this: Out of the box, no.(btw install your copy of windows on the SSD). Whatever drive you installed your OS I believe will have applications, and the harddrive will be like another drive, it will show up like flashdrives do.
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+Liam Borella You could tell by the earings. In America it is considered very unprofessional for men to dress up like whores for a presentation. Although I admit Linus does a pretty good job regardless and lets face it, this is youtube, so professionalism has nothing to do with it.
so is an SSHD practical in any old system build as the go-to main storage actually practical and useful or not?
I want more cache...
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Okay but how do you defrag/trim one of these combos? I'm getting my first laptop with a hybrid and I don't wanna murder the poor thing.
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I have a question, how do you do the hybrid function (automatically store most used data) if you have both and hdd and a ssd. Are there any programs for that or how do you do? I mean, of course you can put in an ssd your system, your currently playing games and a couple of programs and in the hdd everything else, but what if i want to do what a hybrid does? Is it easily possible? Thanks ahead for reading :)
I need help please. I bought an SSD for 120GB but I'm not fairly happy with the amount of storage space for all my games, applications and data. I was thinking if is there a way that I can store all my games, applications and data on a 1TB WD Black Drive and using my 120GB SSD to stack the limits of performance into my WD Black Drive?
Not sure if this helps, but I have an SSD and a HDD in my computer, the OS is installed in the SSD, as well as my most used applications, while less used programs are installed on the HDD. For me it's simply to change the install directory from "C:\Program Files" to "E:\Program Files"
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I have my first SSHD in my current build, and I haven't noticed much faster performance. I have a question though... wouldn't the cache of the SSHD degrade much faster than a standard SSD since information is constantly being written to it?
AFAIK the information is not constantly written to it, at least not as often as with a regular SSD.
Question for some nerd smarter than me: would I need to completely format an ssd to use it as a cache, or can I keep files like boot-up stuff?
So Sandisk readycache is different from this, it copies windows boot files to their 32gb SSD and boots from the SSD, thus making boot times faster. It also caches loading files of programs you use a lot.
I was looking for similair software (read freeware) to use any SSD i have liying around to speed up boot times.
What you discribe will kill your SSD very quickly (many read and writes a second) This sounds like it actually puts windows virtual memory on your SSD, so why do they now call it cache?!
Isn't it better to put virtual memory on a Ramdisk?
I wouldn't worry about. There is going to be a massive amount of videos coming out next month with Haswell and Nvidia's 700 series coming out at the same time.
Do SSHDs wear down like SSDs when you write to them a lot, that's the only reason I don't want to get an SSD (apart from the cost) because they're unreliable when doing a lot of writing to them.
ssd's wearing out fast is pretty much a thing from the past
if you look at ssd endurance tests, none of the SSD's broke before 700TB of writes
some started reallocating sectors after 400TB of writes, which is writing 100GB a day for 10 years, the only drives failing fasters were the samsung 840 series/840 EVO series,(not the pro, the pro is one of the best) because they use TLC memory (3bits per cell) compared to the MLC(2bits per cell) and SLC(1 bit per cell) other SSD's use
techreport.com/review/26523/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-casualties-on-the-way-to-a-petabyte/5
So can you use HDD + mSata SSD w/o OS installed on it? I have an Alienware 18 with 3 ssd slots + 1 mSata slot, my plan is to upgrade to RAID-0 with 2 ssds ideally 120gb and 1TB HDD for storage. also thinking of mSata 24gb ssd as cache to use with the HDD to give it a boost. On the HDD mostly uses for large games files. Thanks
Holy Moly! I wish I had magic hands that could pull components from the side of me!
Are these Hybrids very reliable in terms of hicups, defectives and/or longevity of it's life?
I'm thinking of making a new desktop. Should I get SSD (for OS) + HDD (Storage) or just SSHD (2 partition for OS and Storage)?
cpu disk... i have hopes for the future
I'd let Linus give me a tech quicky any day of the week!
what if im gonna use cache on my ssd? is it necessary?
What loads Battlefiled 4 faster? A WD Black or a Seagate SSHD?
sshd
WD Black is just a slightly faster HDD than other HDDs. The SSHD will be of course much faster. The Black is really a waste of money though, because speeds really aren't that much faster than normal 7200rpm HDDs.
ChRoNicBuRrItOs I don't know why people think WD Black series is about speed. It's not, it's about durability! If you want bullet proof HD you buy WD Black, sort of. ;)
ZoeDoesntCareForMe Because it is black so it run faster? sorry this may sound a little bit racist
hello, what if we can't see the cache size even software ?? i have 2 hdd one with buffer cache and the other 1to without cache ? does hard disk without cache exist ? but when i run hdd speed test with program like Crystal disque mark, the second hdd without cache was way faster (3-4 times) what does that mean ? and which hdd is better for my OS ?
Well Linus, thanks for sharing. But... you didn't mention what systems allow SSD Caching, what softwares do it for you, what OEMs include SSD Caching software with their hardware, how to use SSD Caching, and so forth.
so we have to connect ssd nd normal hard drive to a computer,doesnt only ssd works without a normal hard drive?
My primary is my SSD, and I use a XT 750 as my secondary in my desktop now. The XT used to be in my laptop, which is no longer my primary platform thus it's migration to my desktop. Eventually I want to get another XT, or perhaps two more. lol ;)
Always a great quick.
I don't know alot about technology and computing which is why I'm learning off these videos, so do excuse if I ask any stupid questions >.<
Is it possible to have both HDD and SSD? Would it work better than a hybrid? (I'm looking to custom make my next laptop)
+Shelleen Denise as long as there are two hard drive bays in the laptop but this is not very common, a lot of people will put the operating system on the SSD and put personal data on the HDD. This is better than a hybrid drive but is more expensive.
How do you set up a ssd cache with a HDD?
Intel rapid storage, or specialized hardware. The easiest way is to buy SSHD drive.
what capacity do you recommend to have a ssd for caching if hdd is 5 tb? I specify that hdd is 2.5 inches for a laptop.
is it fine to put one more ssd even though im already using ssd cache with my hdd
Silly question let's say I have 1tb ssd and 16 or 32gb of ram any benefit using any of the ram as cache ??
So ssd's has a bit of ram inside that makes it go a bit faster? Why couldnt they just have a sdd or a Little box where the ram and ssd are in the same Place so it goes faster and dosent need to transfer all the things to each other
Ive been really trying to Amp my storage on my ps4, but i cant keep my eye off that SSD speed. this hybrid is ideal for me, but is it an easy process of installing? I was also wondering if "New Seagate Desktop SSHD 2TB SATA 3.5" Solid State Hybrid Hard Drive ST2000DX001" was a reliable one for only $100 on ebay.
Wait, so is a SSHD still made of moving parts?
64gb ssd for windows and apps, 100gb~ ssd for windows apps and a few games u play often, and a few 1 tb drives for storage needs. and other games.
So basically SSHD is the best cost-benefit option?
Can anyone answer this for me please? My notebook had a 32gb SSD cache and a 5400 RPM hard drive, would there be any benefit to me upgrading the mechanical drive to a SSD drive?
I'm buying a 8gb ssd and 1tb hdd ( hybrid) laptop , does 8gb ssd work fine on my i5 laptop , laptop will be used as home laptop ...
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So would a SSD or SSHD make more sense to get if you're a person who does a little bit of everything on your computer? Gaming, browsing, etc etc. I'm looking for a affordable, fast disk to put my OS on, I already have a 3TB storage HDD so the OS disk doesn't really have to have room for anything other than my OS and perhaps the games I play the most atm.
How reliable is a SSHD compared to a SSD? I've seen here and there that many people are experiencing read/write speeds dropping on SSD disks after a while.
I'm on a budget and where I live I can get a SSHD for not that much more than a regular HDD, and that's quite a bit cheaper than a SSD.
SSD - Photoshop Browsers Windows
SSHD - Games etc etc
HDD - HUGE AMMOUNTS OF DATA
I would ho with SSD or SSHD. If you dont need much space i would reccomend you an SSD
A SSD is better. Windows 7,8.1 and 10 all have 'trim' which limits your writes to the drive. Get a SSD of 60gb to 80gb for your OS. If you use Linux you will need to config the SSD.
A. Lawrence windows 10? whats windows 10? p.s. if you wanna go cheap, go SSHD/ HDD.
Joey moutree
Do a Google search for Windows 10 preview. Its a ISO and you can create a bootable USB with Windows 7 USB maker or make a
DVD. I own and use several SSD but avoided a SSHD. Thanks for the tip.
Joey moutree It'll come out soon
Can an SSD be used with OS like Windows 8.1 (64-bit) maybe even some applications like steam that I use VERY frequently.
Yes as long as you install it onto the SDD.
Yes it can be used for such, and that is what it should be used for. Windows and installing most of your applications like steam, skype and whatever you want with the start-up. You can also put games on your SSD (I personally got 120gb kingston one) for lightning fast loading times.
Sorry talking a month later, but how do you make the Windows OS get into the SSD and not the Hard Drive? After building a computer.
Teodros Yemane-Brehan You have to install or clone your OS to that SSD, its just the same as when you install windows on a normal HDD. Then you reformat your old HDD and put your large files and install games with less demanding load times to it, just make a folder called "games" or whatever and manually select that drive instead of an express installation when you install the game.
To install some Steam games on a SSD and some on a HDD is a littler trickier but there is a great free program called "Steam mover" that will automatically run all the command lines for you, it allows you to install Steam on either drive and then move specific games whilst leaving the others where they where.
Its handy for installing Steam to the larger storage drive and then moving a few games over if you have limited SSD space.
I would suggest you do what I did, install steam on the HDD, and when you install a game select to install it on another drive. The reason why I have it setup like that is because steam is a small program and don't benefit that much from being on the SSD, and some games must be installed in the steam directory, and for those games I prefer to have them on the HDD rather than the SSD.
That's it, thanks! Fancy Cache, Linus, can you do a video on it?
Do an as fast as possible about trim and how raid 0 and trim and be used at the same time in the Z77 chipset. Thanks!
I just started using fancycache, can we get a review on that? I feel like i have noticed a performance increase however I do not have any programs to monitor my speeds before/after fancycache.
I have a simple question but I can't find any direct answers to it. What does it mean when an SSD has a 512MB cache on pcpartpicker and is that a good amount? Also, what is the recommended amount of cache?
512MB is a lot better than literally no cache, but you should look for at least 1GB of DRAM. I have two M.2 SSDs - one with 512MB DRAM and one DRAMless. The DRAM SSD is much faster in terms of write speed, but it still gets choked up when transferring large files/games/programs. In terms of capacity, go for a 1TB model because it'll have a 1GB cache (hopefully) and is overall faster.
How can i turn my m.2 into a cache drive?
is the hard drive part of the sshd faster than normal hard drive?
Wait a minute! You're Canadian? wasn't expecting that I always thought the show was in US.
How do you use a SSHD to do caching in a laptop? Lenovo Y50 that is.
+Christophe Robinson if the drive comes up as one then the drives firmware is doing the work for you
+Michael Flatman I see, Thanks
so if i want a gaming pc is it better for me to buy a sshd then a ssd and hdd?
I didn't realise that canadian notes have good ol' queen libby on them until now
Very well articulated.
I am running a ssd hd and a sshd. Man everything loads so fast and love it.
Learned something new again. Thank Linus =)
Is an SSHD two different drives mounted into eachother?
I'm asking because all the offers I see on sites say something similair to: "1TB + 8GB SSD"
Do you know where I can get a 16-32GB version, preferably within Holland?
If I have to get them from outside the country, I usually pay a ton of shipping.
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So, would a system where I use an SSD for OS and games and SSHD for everything else be a good one?
What do you mean? So you're telling me that a SSHD has only 20gb of storage (for files and such), while the other 980gb does nothing?
+Daniel Symonenko sshds are slow as balls if you don't have everything you need in the ssd.
my imac came with a 120 gig ssd cache in the 1tb hdd (5400pm like most other sshds) and this thing crawls.
it's much better to get an ssd and a 7200 rpm hdd
The SSHD I was looking at was 7200 rpm, and I will be using an M.2 SSD to boot and do the basic stuff.
WAIT CAN YOU DO BOTH??? i am a noob at this. can some one answer please.
Explain how to overclock your CPU(or motherboard) to get your RAM running at its advertised speed.
That would be called RAM Caching, and there are softwares out there that do it. I've heard it does increase your IOPS a lot. However, you need a LOT of RAM to make it effective; 32GB or 64GB (X79...?) would be where I'd start if I were to make such a system. And you do have online guides and comparisons about such softwares too.
You've also got RAM drive softwares available. There are several that are good, some are even free. There are comparisons and guides about such softwares online.