My brothers and I did BBP in August this year; that one spot is tricky. For all those naysayers: acknowledge there was a lot done right here. Calm and carefully toned voice. Concise instructions. No statements of accusations, questions or yelling. One person took control, rather than others jumping in and just doing stuff (ie: the guy behind offered a winch, but did what the trail boss instructed without question or second guessing). Finally, a pause to talk it out and/or shake off the jitters. I took a chance to read the channel bio. As a father of four (all my kids are 6 and younger), I will one day lead my kids down this trail and others. If I have the family dynamic correct, kudos to Mom for being so supportive (and not yelling at Dad). In fact, I find nothing critical to say, because for any of us that wheel, we all will find/have found ourselves in hairy situations, and the ability to analyze, learn and wheel on with more experience is valuable. And, that means campfire stories for a lifetime. Kudos Mom and Dad for a job well done.
@@pepperandmintoffroad 2 door jeep. ban them. first to roll. what tire pressure you running,30 psi.?.. she needs some training,as you all do. we have registered clubs. that ease you into it,know your vehicle first,& its limits. ausie.. NEVER,TRY TO STOP A 2 TON VEHICLE FROM ROLLING . dead man walking..stupid thing to do..
@@pepperandmintoffroad she,s your doughter,?.& you bought her a death trap.?. i saw an fj, fall over,1 ft step. too short,too square..ifs garbage. fj,s are a re bodied prado. rubbish.. only good 4x4rs here in aus,are the 80 series 4.2tdi toyota,with 4" lift. & the gu nissan,same.. my bronco has an sas ..zf 5sp dana 60 front rear..
People that panic that much probably shouldnt be doing this. theres a reason my GF refuses to drive my jeep offroad, and gets out for almost all the fun stuff cause she's panicky too. that's what gets people rolled off the edge. You did a good job calming her down
I’ve been doing this for a year, I can easily say the only reason I panicked this much was because I was worried for my dads life. A great experience though. Make sure to check out other videos if you have not already!😉
@@catlyn1566 Since you’ve replied… You were panicking before he got to you, and it was understandable because you were very close to rolling. We all have limits. Our safety and others’ depends on us recognizing that.
Sometimes movement is better than being stopped. The orange Jeep that was teetering is a perfect example. I know it's hard and you want to smash the brake but if you'd let it roll out of that spot, you'd would have been golden. When I was in this SAME spot in the rain in my RRover, I desperately wanted it to STOP and it kept sliding forward and I was pushing with full force of my leg on the brake. It took a great deal of discipline to release pressure and let it roll out of that spot. My left brain was saying, "a controlled decent is better than a slide" and my right brain was saying, "smash the brake harder, HARDER!" Fun times. I've done BBP twice and miss it a lot.
One more thing I may add is not to listen to music while going down this part of the trail. You need to hear the squeaks, rattles, the wheel sliding, etc and most important outside communication
Standing there, right where the Jeep is about to rollover is about as reckless as it gets. You're not holding up the Jeep, and you're lucky you didn't get crushed. Staying calm under pressure is a good thing, but not when it's about to get you smushed. It's just by chance that the Jeep's weight was distributed in such a way that you pushing on it helped it level out, a few more inches and it could've rolled onto you.
She needs more seat time before going on a mind screw trail that is easy but has the potential to freak people out to the point of costly panic mistakes
I remember this day! We were the white Jeep from Florida that joined you guys just before the summit. So awesome to rewatch this! Thank you for sharing!
9:10 your calmness in spotting her made ALL the difference. Great job. She better buy you a 6 pack for that one 👍 She deserves a 👏 👏 👏 for continuing on to. I bet she has a higher pucker tolerance now 😂
Yeah. I don't know of too many trails that are as intimidating as this one. She beat her fears and beat the trail. All other trails will be "whatever".
Hi, Nicolas, first time watching your channel, nice work on recovering the red jeep! You were cool calm and well collected. I am from Los Angeles California I drive a new 22 Toy Taco off-road 9 ½ on a stock TRD lift and stock GY tires. Cali has some moderate road climbs and steep and deep trails but nothing like Black Bear Pass. There is a high concentration of Taco owners in Cali that love pro-off-roading and steep trails. I come from the JDM world to learn all I can about the off road and deep trail community. Thank you for providing real handling content on all your Black bear trips. Seeing all your Jeep axel shots and seeing gravel vs loose rocks and crazy thin dirt gives me good insight on tire and wheel handling. Superb real unscripted content! Thank you
Glad youall made a safe trip, My wife has driven all the trails in that area except Black Bear, No matter how experienced you are bad things happen on that trail. I will not put her behind the wheel on that trail. There are slick. sliding loose gravel places where you can lose control. Stay happy and safe, keep the Ladies on the hard, technical trail, but not deadly ones, If that Lady had tipped on the steps instead of the ledge, You guys would have a Funeral to plan. Do not show off by pushing the Ladies to do dangerous trails. Words of wisdom from a guy who drove off Engineer trail with my Wife beside me. I was very experienced. Drove all the trails for over 40 years. Then the mistake, lack of concentration, and overconfident.
I hope no one is discouraged in trying the trail watching this video. There is nothing difficult about the trail, picking bad lines can make any trail look difficult. Stock jeeps and tacomas can do this just fine.
No joke, now people are gonna watch this video and judge the trail based on the experiences of a bunch of BJBs, one of which is a grown man that named his jeep "Enigma" ...
The route the girl took was absolutely horrendous, seems like an unexperienced driver as well. Family and I have done this in stock tjs and jks, even a few new jls, this trail is not that hard.
I'm trying to figure out how she ended up hanging a tire in the first place. Just let off the brakes and let it roll down. This trail is basicly a fire route. And a well packed down one at that.
The videos do no justice! My wife and I took our wedding photos overlooking telluride we also completed engineer, corkscrew, last dollar and Ophir pass! I’ve been reminiscing a lot lately! The entire area is so breathtaking.
What beautiful views. Love how you all were guiding and not taking over. There is nothing better than learning, now she can reflect on how she did this and can do so much more! Great job all of you!
The only two things positive I can say about this video is it the guy did a good job keeping an amateur calm and that no one died. No way in hell she should’ve been on this trail if that little bitty step down is going to cause her to get the position she did. I live here and I’ve done this trail twice. I am amazed she got past 1341 in the timeline if that little stairstep gave her so much trouble. I know that this is a one-way trail but I’m amazed that you guys did not turn around in an effort to protect her life after the episode she had at 935 in the time line. Thank God she didn’t roll it.
Having done this road and Schofield Pass I would only recommend turning off the tunes for the tricky parts so you can focus on what the rig is doing. Also those brakes were really squeaky that would make me nervous on that descent lol
I drove over Black Bear Pass in the late 1980's with a stock 1986 Toyota 4x4 pickup with a manual transmission and no lock out differentials or posi-traction which made the switchbacks pretty challenging. Certainly erosion has deteriorated road conditions since then but then the increased traffic has probably made the switchbacks a little easier. I remember one switchback where my opposite tires were very close to being completely unweighted and I had yet to back up, ugh! My heart rate gets up a bit when my vehicle is tilting in the direction I am turning, ugh! Good job of hanging in there gal, not to worry about getting a little upset about the situation. And good job for putting weight on the right rear! Erosion on all the un-maintained roads on our U. S. Federal Government public lands have definitely made many roads more challenging. There are several that are now not doable in the old 86 Toyota because of no locker and inadequate ground clearance. Just a few weeks ago I turned around on a road out of Silverton in my 2004 F350 4X4 that in the 1970's I drove my two wheel drive 1964 F250 over. Times are changing and the road(s) ahead are only going to become more difficult....and more dangerous.
Up to the steps, other than some sideangle, all was almostcdirt highway. The steps reminded me of some bigger steps we had on a trip in NSWcAustralia, I had gear in the rear tray of my vehicle start tumbling out and a lady behind me got me to drive her vehicle down that step. Atcanother a short wheelbase Landrovercstood on its front bumper, front wheels in the air rear scrabbling on the top of the sandstone Ridge. Had to be winched forwards sliding the bumper till front wheels got traction at which point yhe rear was able to crash down the rock ledge. Worst was the next day we had to reverse direction the track had slipped down the mountainside we spent a day and a half winching back up the 30 to 40 steep sections and rock ledges to get out again.
I love that you guys take care of each other. If u ever get a jeep I'd want to ride in your group. It's like when you learned to ride a bike. We were scared but slowly got better. No need to judge or rude comments
And folks that just shows you how much line awareness plays a part and also wheel base Also in doubt throttle out of her wheels were straight would of have been a different story never turn off a ledge walkways want to do your best to come down with your wheels straight 4lo down hills is your best friend
Many drivers just don't look at the possibility of using a different line. That spot is wide and has an 'easy way down' that is much safer for vehicles without long wheel travel. Pay attention to the road. It's not imperative to use the steepest step or try to go around the rocks.
THAT is how spotting is done! Extremely good job calming her down and getting her stable. While you mentioned it wasn't smart where you put yourself I would disagree and say that is EXACTLY where you needed to be. I have been in that very spot a time or three to get the driver calm and keep a Jeep from tipping.
One could argue either way. But the more prudent choice picks safety and avoiding injury first and foremost. Sure, he could stop the vehicle's roll positioning himself there. But what if he couldn't have? He was in the direct roll path of the Jeep. Not smart. A good way to get yourself killed. He was lucky. A properly-outfitted Jeep will have a roll cage. And belted passengers would have been unscathed if it had rolled. But not the guy on the outside! This clip could be used by safety instructors as an example of what NOT to do in this scenario.
@@OzarkOverlandAdventures Neither the spotter or the novice behind the wheel should have been on Black bear. The way she was freaking out shows she's never been driving that kind of 4 wheelin before.
That’s an example of picking a poor line. 2 door wheelbase does not do well on steep climbs or descents. With that being said, often times the best thing to do in that situation is to throttle out.
This might sound odd to some people, but for me, going up in my 4 inch lifted TJ was more challenging then coming down. Angled upward, you can't always see everything in front. Yes, there is a psychological fear factor when looking deep down a mountain/valley, but I can also see all of my options. In a way, it keeps any fears at bay while allowing me to focus on what's ahead. Some might ask: "Well, where does fear come into play?" To that I would say: "The fear kept at bay teaches me calmness and control."
I was fine up till that situation but after viewing that jeep lift up and almost losing it I took a breather too! Calm concise instructions saved the day! My 2004 Jeep Unlimited has only a 3.5 " Rubicon Express suspension lift w/fox shocks 33'x12.5 tires on 15x8 wheels not sure it would fair ok on that trail.
That is cake for your Jeep. I didn’t see a whole lot of difficulty either. Just scary because of the long drops. But really there isn’t much difference from rolling for a mile down or thirty feet down. They both will kill you.
You're a good spotter. She did do most things correctly. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, But I think what she didn't do correctly is that she didn't load up the driveline in reverse before letting off the brake. IMO, she was using only 1 foot for throttle and brake when she should have been using both in this situation. I'm glad it all turned out good and nothing bad happened.
Watching this reminds me of how sore my upper body would get after a day in Moab, only realizing in the evening that my steering muscles were tense the whole day. I’m laying in bed and holding my phone the way I’d hold onto my wheel back when I had my Jeep, and it’s exhausting.
@@pepperandmintoffroad Thank you! Black Bear is an amazing place and was her first time experiencing it. Wanted to do something memorable and Colorado, more specifically the Ouray/Telluride area has always had a piece of my heart since my first time visiting as a kid.
I knew from the thumbnail that the line for that specific part of the trail was completely wrong. Gotta hug high right and cut down left off the shelf. Glad she didn't tip. I have a friend who took the same line as her and planted his vehicle on the driver's side.
I realized that in the last second!! would have had the same thing if I hadn’t stopped to ask for help! It was a great learning experience though (of what not to do)😂
About the hundredth video done on this trail. On our fourth trip we did it in the pouring rain, which kind of sucks! Here in Colorado there's a saying about that trail, if it's dry you won't die, if it's wet you better fret!
Have you ever been scolded to about something you had passion for just because of a mistake? Did you want to continue pursuing that passion after that? I learned a great amount from that (maybe) 2 minutes you got to see & a lot was talked about off camera. We had a whole conversation about the errors & corrections I need to work on, but in that moment the words of encouragement kept me going. Remind yourself that positivity will do better for you & those around you- more than negativity. 😊
@@catlyn1566 Just randomly stumbled upon this video. Props to ya girl, most of these keyboard warriors wouldn’t have been able to proceed after that and they know it. Unfortunately I just sold my 4Runner and wife and I have a baby on the way so my off-road days are *probably* behind me. Anyway, grats on completing the trail and best wishes to all of your future off-road adventures ☺️
When I saw the thumbnail I expected this to be the same red jeep that went over an edge there that I recently saw in my recommended. Apparently the person in the other video got ejected and is now paralyzed, but honestly they were fortunate they didnt finish the ride down because that jeep was scrambled. Glad you guys walked/rode away
Well, I’m glad I’m not the same one that made that mistake !! So nearly this entire video I was on edge Cause I was expecting her to go off the edge because of how RUclips set us up on it but thankfully it wasn’t what they were leading us to believe!! I think it’s pretty crappy of them leading us to believe that but we all know they are a pretty crappy group themselves. Good job navigating the trail guys!!
I did Black bear a month ago in my 2014 Wrangler unlimited. On that off camber drop wear the Jeep lifts it's tire you have to square up to that drop as much as possible.You can also fill in that low area with rocks that are already placed in that location. It's still intimidating but I could do it over and over and make it look easy every time. I never lifted a tire and I did this trail twice in two months.
@9:16 biggest mistake you could make when the tipsy turvy happens is slam on the brakes. If she would just coasted off the ledge the Jeep wouldn’t have leaned wit it rock wit it. This is why you absolutely cannot panic. Practice in a controlled environment before going out.
Is this trail one way? I sure would hate to be in a situation where two vehicles going opposite directions meet on a steep narrow trail. I would prefer to ride this trail on a motorcycle. It would be annoying to be following behind a group of Jeep's going 5 MPH where a motorcycle couple travel several times faster with ease. The scenery of this area is spectacular! Thanks for sharing the video.
Lack of off-road experience, 8:54, orange Jeep Wrangler. There was plenty of space available to cross the rock ledge at an (approximately) right angle. However, the driver chose to take an oblique angle and hit the brake in the worst moment instead of letting the car crawl.
That was a great video. I've never had the nerve to do more than Silverton to Animas Forks... and Kendall Mt. That's some legit' narrow sh*t, even for a side x side. Thanks for sharing.
That is Telluride. I very friendly town (and dog friendly) with so much to do. You could spend two or three days in the town and still never experience everything!
Ive done BBP about three or four times over the course of 6 years, done it in jks, tjs, four doors two doors, I've never seen a more worst line to take on the descent of BBP, you need to be an experience driver, and have a decently good rig, the two doors can be a little tricky on obstacles like this, but in Telluride or Ouray two doors excel. It also probably helps when your jeep isn't lifted to the moon, your center of gravity is so much higher with a bigger lift. Thank god someone is experienced in this group or it would've been bad.
The camera always makes the trail look easier than it is. Tossed most of my still shots from the Rubicon as they didn’t do the trail justice. This one is on my bucket list. Gotta love the keyboard warriors who would have done it better.
@@catlyn1566 you should get rid of that fuzzy steering wheel cover. your hands can slip off it or the cover can stretch over time and your steering wheel can spin freely inside the cover and then off the cliff you go.
I don't know why people prefer the line on the right, you can drive on the left shoulder with a solid front axle pretty flat. And people always cut to the passenger side when backing up on switchbacks, which will reduce your passenger side clearance.
DIDN'T ANYONE TELL THIS WOMAN THAT OFF ROAD DRIVING IS FOR BOYS OR AT THE VERY LEAST FOR PEOPLE WITH COMMON SENSE, MEANING ONE DOES NOT DRIVE OFF OF A ONE PLUS FOOT DROP, WHILE DRIVING DOWN HILL ON A LEFT LEANING SLOPE WHERE THE LEFT FRONT WHEEL DROPS DOWN OFF OF THAT ONE PLUS FOOT DROP IN A SHORT WHEEL BASE VEHICLE! FACT OF THE MATTER THIS PERSON SHOULD NOT BE DRIVING DOWN A SWITCH BACK ROAD THOUSANDS OF FEET UP THE SIDE OF A MOUNTAIN CALLED BLACK BEAR TRAIL, AND ESPECIALLY NOT WITH PANIC ISSUES! SOUNDS LIKE A PERFECT RECIPE A REALLY BAD DAY!
The irresponsibility here is sickening. She should’ve never been put in that situation. Letting someone so inexperienced drive on this trail before they learn how their rig drives & how to handle it is why there are so many accidents here. Classic Jeep people thinking they can do anything in their Jeep.
Hol-eee $#!t !!! Just watching this got my heart pounding and my * clenched up - pucker factor 9.3 or so! But, OMG, the scenery! Such beautiful mountains. I live here in Key West and a local company rents out fat tire / high clearance Jeeps to tourist wanna-be's. Maybe they pretend they're driving the Black Bear Pass while negotiating the treacherous ride up to the highest elevation on our island - 14' above sea level. XD Best regards, Capt. Blackheart Charlie
I've run down Black Bear Pass in my 2011 Wrangler Unlimited, it was tight on a couple of switch back turns, but it was doable.. I've heard it's closed now...
Welcome to Colorful Colorado! Just a little side note; this State can and will consume people... Hope everyone can safely enjoy this amazing wilderness!
While off roading you need to Turn AC off No music No unnecessary talk Listen to car wheels engine road suspension Keep windows down Don’t panic Don’t laugh Stay focused Don’t look at your phone See where you are going Plan 50 meters ahead at least
What a butcher used to say: Only after a few years is when the knifes get sharpest. (When you get so much experience and succes that you start to relax just a tiny bit too much)
The person driving that orange Jeep doesn't belong on a trail like Black Bear Pass. That is not a trail for beginners to learn on. Another observation is with the spare tire missing from that Jeep it makes makes the back end light and out of balance. Nice job spotting and calming her down though.
I ran this solo the first time. And while it wasn’t quite as exciting as this video, my hands were a little shaky after my 7 yr old spotter got back in the truck.😂
It takes experience and patience to drive that road. It’s not for idiots in their new truck. Practice somewhere safe until you always know exactly where all four wheels are all the time. Stand it up on three wheels until you know the balance perfectly as well. The first attempt should be with another expert in a second vehicle. I never had a problem. It’s a great ride.
My brothers and I did BBP in August this year; that one spot is tricky. For all those naysayers: acknowledge there was a lot done right here. Calm and carefully toned voice. Concise instructions. No statements of accusations, questions or yelling. One person took control, rather than others jumping in and just doing stuff (ie: the guy behind offered a winch, but did what the trail boss instructed without question or second guessing). Finally, a pause to talk it out and/or shake off the jitters. I took a chance to read the channel bio. As a father of four (all my kids are 6 and younger), I will one day lead my kids down this trail and others. If I have the family dynamic correct, kudos to Mom for being so supportive (and not yelling at Dad). In fact, I find nothing critical to say, because for any of us that wheel, we all will find/have found ourselves in hairy situations, and the ability to analyze, learn and wheel on with more experience is valuable. And, that means campfire stories for a lifetime. Kudos Mom and Dad for a job well done.
Thank you for the kind words and understanding. We are all continuing to learn and grow; this message of encouragement is exactly what we needed!
@@pepperandmintoffroad 2 door jeep. ban them. first to roll. what tire pressure you running,30 psi.?.. she needs some training,as you all do. we have registered clubs. that ease you into it,know your vehicle first,& its limits. ausie.. NEVER,TRY TO STOP A 2 TON VEHICLE FROM ROLLING . dead man walking..stupid thing to do..
@@pepperandmintoffroad thats a good experience at the start of a trail,,,to lock it up & get a taxi home....
@@pepperandmintoffroad auto,real good,you panic,no control,. get a manual..only yuppies here drive auto 4x4rs..
@@pepperandmintoffroad she,s your doughter,?.& you bought her a death trap.?. i saw an fj, fall over,1 ft step. too short,too square..ifs garbage. fj,s are a re bodied prado. rubbish.. only good 4x4rs here in aus,are the 80 series 4.2tdi toyota,with 4" lift. & the gu nissan,same.. my bronco has an sas ..zf 5sp dana 60 front rear..
People that panic that much probably shouldnt be doing this. theres a reason my GF refuses to drive my jeep offroad, and gets out for almost all the fun stuff cause she's panicky too. that's what gets people rolled off the edge. You did a good job calming her down
100%, this is the comment I was looking for before I posted something similar.
I’ve been doing this for a year, I can easily say the only reason I panicked this much was because I was worried for my dads life. A great experience though. Make sure to check out other videos if you have not already!😉
*Rule #1. Avoid natural selection
@@catlyn1566 Since you’ve replied… You were panicking before he got to you, and it was understandable because you were very close to rolling. We all have limits. Our safety and others’ depends on us recognizing that.
@@catlyn1566 it is ok to panic and also to admit to it no big deal, just wear a diaper next time you go 4x4ing lol
Sometimes movement is better than being stopped. The orange Jeep that was teetering is a perfect example. I know it's hard and you want to smash the brake but if you'd let it roll out of that spot, you'd would have been golden. When I was in this SAME spot in the rain in my RRover, I desperately wanted it to STOP and it kept sliding forward and I was pushing with full force of my leg on the brake. It took a great deal of discipline to release pressure and let it roll out of that spot. My left brain was saying, "a controlled decent is better than a slide" and my right brain was saying, "smash the brake harder, HARDER!" Fun times. I've done BBP twice and miss it a lot.
One more thing I may add is not to listen to music while going down this part of the trail. You need to hear the squeaks, rattles, the wheel sliding, etc and most important outside communication
And record out the window with one hand while driving with the other. Lots of things we should be doing better.
@@pepperandmintoffroad try no hands, that's how the pros do it! lol
Hold my beer!@@chrisguapo69
The leader/spotter did an amazing job getting her down. And super smart to let her offload the adrenaline before continuing.
Standing there, right where the Jeep is about to rollover is about as reckless as it gets. You're not holding up the Jeep, and you're lucky you didn't get crushed. Staying calm under pressure is a good thing, but not when it's about to get you smushed. It's just by chance that the Jeep's weight was distributed in such a way that you pushing on it helped it level out, a few more inches and it could've rolled onto you.
That was the biggest mistake I saw in the video. No one else seemed to notice it.
Wasn’t even close to rolling😂 y’all Rockies ain’t seen shit 😂😂
She needs more seat time before going on a mind screw trail that is easy but has the potential to freak people out to the point of costly panic mistakes
Exactly. Tires slide on rocks. No biggy
Easy? 🤣 it ain’t easy if it’s dangerous
But yeah when you almost tip like that you gotta gas it that’s all you can do she got very lucky
@@DooberD33You do NOT gas it. You just don't brake. You literally have no idea wtf you're talking about. Gassing it is worse than braking. Good god.
I remember this day! We were the white Jeep from Florida that joined you guys just before the summit. So awesome to rewatch this! Thank you for sharing!
9:10 your calmness in spotting her made ALL the difference. Great job. She better buy you a 6 pack for that one 👍 She deserves a 👏 👏 👏 for continuing on to. I bet she has a higher pucker tolerance now 😂
Yeah. I don't know of too many trails that are as intimidating as this one. She beat her fears and beat the trail. All other trails will be "whatever".
@@tennesseevalleyoffroaders1211 Yeah, so long she has her baby sitters with her!
10:00 the importance of staying calm and not letting your fear cloud your thought process.
Hi, Nicolas, first time watching your channel, nice work on recovering the red jeep! You were cool calm and well collected. I am from Los Angeles California I drive a new 22 Toy Taco off-road 9 ½ on a stock TRD lift and stock GY tires. Cali has some moderate road climbs and steep and deep trails but nothing like Black Bear Pass. There is a high concentration of Taco owners in Cali that love pro-off-roading and steep trails. I come from the JDM world to learn all I can about the off road and deep trail community. Thank you for providing real handling content on all your Black bear trips. Seeing all your Jeep axel shots and seeing gravel vs loose rocks and crazy thin dirt gives me good insight on tire and wheel handling. Superb real unscripted content! Thank you
One of my favorite quotes comes to mind... "Fear is healthy, panic is deadly".
Great video, enjoyed watching!
Glad youall made a safe trip, My wife has driven all the trails in that area except Black Bear, No matter how experienced you are bad things happen on that trail. I will not put her behind the wheel on that trail. There are slick. sliding loose gravel places where you can lose control. Stay happy and safe, keep the Ladies on the hard, technical trail, but not deadly ones, If that Lady had tipped on the steps instead of the ledge, You guys would have a Funeral to plan. Do not show off by pushing the Ladies to do dangerous trails. Words of wisdom from a guy who drove off Engineer trail with my Wife beside me. I was very experienced. Drove all the trails for over 40 years. Then the mistake, lack of concentration, and overconfident.
I'm glad you're okay after driving off Engineer! Thanks so much for the comment!
Humility is IMPORTANT. Thanks for sharing.
I hope no one is discouraged in trying the trail watching this video. There is nothing difficult about the trail, picking bad lines can make any trail look difficult. Stock jeeps and tacomas can do this just fine.
No joke, now people are gonna watch this video and judge the trail based on the experiences of a bunch of BJBs, one of which is a grown man that named his jeep "Enigma" ...
The route the girl took was absolutely horrendous, seems like an unexperienced driver as well. Family and I have done this in stock tjs and jks, even a few new jls, this trail is not that hard.
@@txtallywhacker Lol!
I'm trying to figure out how she ended up hanging a tire in the first place. Just let off the brakes and let it roll down.
This trail is basicly a fire route. And a well packed down one at that.
Hasn’t discouraged us and I’m gonna do it in a stock trailhawk when it opens again.
The videos do no justice! My wife and I took our wedding photos overlooking telluride we also completed engineer, corkscrew, last dollar and Ophir pass! I’ve been reminiscing a lot lately! The entire area is so breathtaking.
What beautiful views. Love how you all were guiding and not taking over. There is nothing better than learning, now she can reflect on how she did this and can do so much more! Great job all of you!
The only two things positive I can say about this video is it the guy did a good job keeping an amateur calm and that no one died. No way in hell she should’ve been on this trail if that little bitty step down is going to cause her to get the position she did. I live here and I’ve done this trail twice. I am amazed she got past 1341 in the timeline if that little stairstep gave her so much trouble. I know that this is a one-way trail but I’m amazed that you guys did not turn around in an effort to protect her life after the episode she had at 935 in the time line. Thank God she didn’t roll it.
Nah it’s cool
well done! What was and could have gone bad was kept calm and helped her off that step. Well done!
Having done this road and Schofield Pass I would only recommend turning off the tunes for the tricky parts so you can focus on what the rig is doing. Also those brakes were really squeaky that would make me nervous on that descent lol
I drove over Black Bear Pass in the late 1980's with a stock 1986 Toyota 4x4 pickup with a manual transmission and no lock out differentials or posi-traction which made the switchbacks pretty challenging. Certainly erosion has deteriorated road conditions since then but then the increased traffic has probably made the switchbacks a little easier. I remember one switchback where my opposite tires were very close to being completely unweighted and I had yet to back up, ugh!
My heart rate gets up a bit when my vehicle is tilting in the direction I am turning, ugh! Good job of hanging in there gal, not to worry about getting a little upset about the situation. And good job for putting weight on the right rear!
Erosion on all the un-maintained roads on our U. S. Federal Government public lands have definitely made many roads more challenging. There are several that are now not doable in the old 86 Toyota because of no locker and inadequate ground clearance. Just a few weeks ago I turned around on a road out of Silverton in my 2004 F350 4X4 that in the 1970's I drove my two wheel drive 1964 F250 over. Times are changing and the road(s) ahead are only going to become more difficult....and more dangerous.
She took the worst path she could take, doing offroad courses is not useless..Thank you for sharing these beautiful images of the Black Bear Pass...
She doesn't seem to have the temperment for that level of off roading. But alls well that ends well. Glad it don't go fully sideways.
Did Blackbear pass twice back in and around 2009. It is NOT hard if you just take your time and I did not do it in a skinny Heep, but a Hummer........
You did a great job keeping calm and talking kiddo through it.
BBP is an amazing trail. Definitely not for the faint of heart! Thanks for sharing.
Looks like fun, and a hell of a lot easier than doing 100 sit-ups a day.
Up to the steps, other than some sideangle, all was almostcdirt highway.
The steps reminded me of some bigger steps we had on a trip in NSWcAustralia, I had gear in the rear tray of my vehicle start tumbling out and a lady behind me got me to drive her vehicle down that step. Atcanother a short wheelbase Landrovercstood on its front bumper, front wheels in the air rear scrabbling on the top of the sandstone Ridge. Had to be winched forwards sliding the bumper till front wheels got traction at which point yhe rear was able to crash down the rock ledge. Worst was the next day we had to reverse direction the track had slipped down the mountainside we spent a day and a half winching back up the 30 to 40 steep sections and rock ledges to get out again.
I love that you guys take care of each other. If u ever get a jeep I'd want to ride in your group. It's like when you learned to ride a bike. We were scared but slowly got better. No need to judge or rude comments
And folks that just shows you how much line awareness plays a part and also wheel base Also in doubt throttle out of her wheels were straight would of have been a different story never turn off a ledge walkways want to do your best to come down with your wheels straight
4lo down hills is your best friend
Many drivers just don't look at the possibility of using a different line. That spot is wide and has an 'easy way down' that is much safer for vehicles without long wheel travel. Pay attention to the road. It's not imperative to use the steepest step or try to go around the rocks.
Those 2 doors are vertically challenged. I have one and find myself in that exact situation every now and then, lol. The 4 doors handle them easier.
Short wheelbase has some downsides.
She should not be d riving that road until she gets her shit together. She is a dangerous driver.
Phew! Man, great job staying calm! Nice work!
THAT is how spotting is done! Extremely good job calming her down and getting her stable.
While you mentioned it wasn't smart where you put yourself I would disagree and say that is EXACTLY where you needed to be. I have been in that very spot a time or three to get the driver calm and keep a Jeep from tipping.
Thank you for the kind words!
That's HORRIBLE spotting
Great job calming her down but she should have never been instructed to take that line in the first place. That was a horrible decision!
One could argue either way. But the more prudent choice picks safety and avoiding injury first and foremost. Sure, he could stop the vehicle's roll positioning himself there. But what if he couldn't have? He was in the direct roll path of the Jeep. Not smart. A good way to get yourself killed. He was lucky.
A properly-outfitted Jeep will have a roll cage. And belted passengers would have been unscathed if it had rolled. But not the guy on the outside!
This clip could be used by safety instructors as an example of what NOT to do in this scenario.
@@OzarkOverlandAdventures Neither the spotter or the novice behind the wheel should have been on Black bear. The way she was freaking out shows she's never been driving that kind of 4 wheelin before.
That’s an example of picking a poor line. 2 door wheelbase does not do well on steep climbs or descents. With that being said, often times the best thing to do in that situation is to throttle out.
Totally!
Great job getting all those people through. I'll bet they all feel a wonderful sense of accomplishment with your guidance.
This might sound odd to some people, but for me, going up in my 4 inch lifted TJ was more challenging then coming down. Angled upward, you can't always see everything in front. Yes, there is a psychological fear factor when looking deep down a mountain/valley, but I can also see all of my options. In a way, it keeps any fears at bay while allowing me to focus on what's ahead. Some might ask: "Well, where does fear come into play?" To that I would say: "The fear kept at bay teaches me calmness and control."
I was fine up till that situation but after viewing that jeep lift up and almost losing it I took a breather too! Calm concise instructions saved the day! My 2004 Jeep Unlimited has only a 3.5 " Rubicon Express suspension lift w/fox shocks 33'x12.5 tires on 15x8 wheels not sure it would fair ok on that trail.
That is cake for your Jeep. I didn’t see a whole lot of difficulty either. Just scary because of the long drops. But really there isn’t much difference from rolling for a mile down or thirty feet down. They both will kill you.
I would have been happy to hve you as a guide to teach me. That girl freaked out a bit but it’s okay and your calmness helped
You're a good spotter. She did do most things correctly. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, But I think what she didn't do correctly is that she didn't load up the driveline in reverse before letting off the brake. IMO, she was using only 1 foot for throttle and brake when she should have been using both in this situation. I'm glad it all turned out good and nothing bad happened.
Watching this reminds me of how sore my upper body would get after a day in Moab, only realizing in the evening that my steering muscles were tense the whole day. I’m laying in bed and holding my phone the way I’d hold onto my wheel back when I had my Jeep, and it’s exhausting.
Funniest comment I’ve heard in a long time “did you get gap insurance”. Can’t stop laughing.
Too many people don't know when to get off the brakes. Lucky save, but she needs more time on more moderate trails before taking on technical trails.
It seems as though you had a pretty memorable moment right at the same spot. Congratulations to yourself or whomever it was who proposed.
@@pepperandmintoffroad Thank you! Black Bear is an amazing place and was her first time experiencing it. Wanted to do something memorable and Colorado, more specifically the Ouray/Telluride area has always had a piece of my heart since my first time visiting as a kid.
I must, must, must go here someday. The San Juan's are on my bucket list. I have a RZR Turbo S 4 and I'd love to take it up that trail.
I knew from the thumbnail that the line for that specific part of the trail was completely wrong. Gotta hug high right and cut down left off the shelf. Glad she didn't tip. I have a friend who took the same line as her and planted his vehicle on the driver's side.
I realized that in the last second!! would have had the same thing if I hadn’t stopped to ask for help! It was a great learning experience though (of what not to do)😂
@@catlyn1566 Anything you learn from is worth it and stopping to ask from help was a good call!
Whoo scary ehh! Glad there is experience in the convoy, I will probably never do this trail so props to you guys for completing it 👏
About the hundredth video done on this trail. On our fourth trip we did it in the pouring rain, which kind of sucks! Here in Colorado there's a saying about that trail, if it's dry you won't die, if it's wet you better fret!
Awesome view at 14:22. The saying is "I'm not afraid of dying, I'm just afraid of getting hurt"
I remember my first 3 wheel; it can feel way scarier than it actually is.
Scary situation! But don’t lie to her and tell her she did a great job??? You don’t learn that way....
Have you ever been scolded to about something you had passion for just because of a mistake? Did you want to continue pursuing that passion after that? I learned a great amount from that (maybe) 2 minutes you got to see & a lot was talked about off camera. We had a whole conversation about the errors & corrections I need to work on, but in that moment the words of encouragement kept me going. Remind yourself that positivity will do better for you & those around you- more than negativity. 😊
@@catlyn1566 Just randomly stumbled upon this video. Props to ya girl, most of these keyboard warriors wouldn’t have been able to proceed after that and they know it. Unfortunately I just sold my 4Runner and wife and I have a baby on the way so my off-road days are *probably* behind me. Anyway, grats on completing the trail and best wishes to all of your future off-road adventures ☺️
Nicely handled. That step I’ve always felt was scarier than the actual “steps”… good job keeping calm and having her roll through it.
When I saw the thumbnail I expected this to be the same red jeep that went over an edge there that I recently saw in my recommended. Apparently the person in the other video got ejected and is now paralyzed, but honestly they were fortunate they didnt finish the ride down because that jeep was scrambled. Glad you guys walked/rode away
Well, I’m glad I’m not the same one that made that mistake !! So nearly this entire video I was on edge Cause I was expecting her to go off the edge because of how RUclips set us up on it but thankfully it wasn’t what they were leading us to believe!!
I think it’s pretty crappy of them leading us to believe that but we all know they are a pretty crappy group themselves.
Good job navigating the trail guys!!
Diddo!
That guy was super professional and stayed calm like a pro. Big pat on the back to that guy
I did Black bear a month ago in my 2014 Wrangler unlimited. On that off camber drop wear the Jeep lifts it's tire you have to square up to that drop as much as possible.You can also fill in that low area with rocks that are already placed in that location. It's still intimidating but I could do it over and over and make it look easy every time. I never lifted a tire and I did this trail twice in two months.
Awesome! Glad you came out this way!! The gladiator took your line early on. That's the way to do it! Hope we can see you out on the trail soon!
I’m actually doing this trail next year when I go to Colorado! Can’t wait to do it in my Tacoma
@9:16 biggest mistake you could make when the tipsy turvy happens is slam on the brakes. If she would just coasted off the ledge the Jeep wouldn’t have leaned wit it rock wit it. This is why you absolutely cannot panic. Practice in a controlled environment before going out.
Fair enough, I looked around and couldn't find any Controlled environment off-road parks, but if you can recommend some, I would totally go!
Is this trail one way? I sure would hate to be in a situation where two vehicles going opposite directions meet on a steep narrow trail.
I would prefer to ride this trail on a motorcycle. It would be annoying to be following behind a group of Jeep's going 5 MPH where a motorcycle couple travel several times faster with ease.
The scenery of this area is spectacular! Thanks for sharing the video.
Great job. Black Bear Pass is no joke. Once and done for us. It wouldn’t surprise me if it wasn’t closed down in the near future.
Let's hope not. We are ready to go back!!
Lack of off-road experience, 8:54, orange Jeep Wrangler. There was plenty of space available to cross the rock ledge at an (approximately) right angle. However, the driver chose to take an oblique angle and hit the brake in the worst moment instead of letting the car crawl.
That was a great video. I've never had the nerve to do more than Silverton to Animas Forks... and Kendall Mt. That's some legit' narrow sh*t, even for a side x side. Thanks for sharing.
Man that was Harry!!! Glad you could talk her down & took control! Nice work.
My bucket list just got another trip added .... That view at 14:00... Wow... What town is in the valley?
That is Telluride. I very friendly town (and dog friendly) with so much to do. You could spend two or three days in the town and still never experience everything!
@nick.. thx for the info.. been there but never knew about Black Bear above.. Looks so small from the Pass...
just walk it; no jeep payment, no insurance payment, you will enjoy the scenery, I know I did...mostly. Thanks for the scenery!
Great job with the calm soothing voice.
all i see is a jeep with no spare tire. Makes me wonder if they perpaired for this trip.
Just because you don't see something in the normal place you would expect it, doesn't mean it's not there. I assure you, I over prepared for the trip.
@@pepperandmintoffroad good to know. Glad you and your loved ones made it down without a major issue.
You’re a very experienced guy, nice job guiding that poor girl, you well knew that she wasn’t well possessed. You gave her confidence.
16:31. I count 6 trail badges. She might have been having a bad day.
@@Gmag9853 definitely a moment of error- now 11 accomplished badge of honors though!
@@Gmag9853maybe it isn't her rig
So it’s like the bomb tech running theory. Don’t panic until your spotter panics. Well done keeping her calm!
Ive done BBP about three or four times over the course of 6 years, done it in jks, tjs, four doors two doors, I've never seen a more worst line to take on the descent of BBP, you need to be an experience driver, and have a decently good rig, the two doors can be a little tricky on obstacles like this, but in Telluride or Ouray two doors excel. It also probably helps when your jeep isn't lifted to the moon, your center of gravity is so much higher with a bigger lift. Thank god someone is experienced in this group or it would've been bad.
The camera always makes the trail look easier than it is. Tossed most of my still shots from the Rubicon as they didn’t do the trail justice. This one is on my bucket list. Gotta love the keyboard warriors who would have done it better.
it was a blast! My error lead to a very “viral” video🤷🏼♀️
@@catlyn1566 you should get rid of that fuzzy steering wheel cover. your hands can slip off it or the cover can stretch over time and your steering wheel can spin freely inside the cover and then off the cliff you go.
Magnificent coaching in that moment. 👌🏾👍🏾
I don't know why people prefer the line on the right, you can drive on the left shoulder with a solid front axle pretty flat. And people always cut to the passenger side when backing up on switchbacks, which will reduce your passenger side clearance.
Panic can cause you to crash really quick, if she had no panic she would have gone through with not even the slightest hesitation
Knowledge is power listen and learn excellent video 👍
DIDN'T ANYONE TELL THIS WOMAN THAT OFF ROAD DRIVING IS FOR BOYS
OR AT THE VERY LEAST FOR PEOPLE WITH COMMON SENSE, MEANING ONE DOES NOT DRIVE OFF OF A ONE PLUS FOOT DROP, WHILE DRIVING DOWN HILL ON A LEFT LEANING SLOPE WHERE THE LEFT FRONT WHEEL DROPS DOWN OFF OF THAT ONE PLUS FOOT DROP IN A SHORT WHEEL BASE VEHICLE!
FACT OF THE MATTER THIS PERSON SHOULD NOT BE DRIVING DOWN A SWITCH BACK ROAD THOUSANDS OF FEET UP THE SIDE OF A MOUNTAIN CALLED BLACK BEAR TRAIL, AND ESPECIALLY NOT WITH PANIC ISSUES!
SOUNDS LIKE A PERFECT RECIPE A REALLY BAD DAY!
Great job!! The only time I have felt uncomfortable there or on the steps was in my 4Runner, the Jeep has always been a champ there.
The irresponsibility here is sickening. She should’ve never been put in that situation. Letting someone so inexperienced drive on this trail before they learn how their rig drives & how to handle it is why there are so many accidents here. Classic Jeep people thinking they can do anything in their Jeep.
Hol-eee $#!t !!! Just watching this got my heart pounding and my * clenched up - pucker factor 9.3 or so! But, OMG, the scenery! Such beautiful mountains. I live here in Key West and a local company rents out fat tire / high clearance Jeeps to tourist wanna-be's. Maybe they pretend they're driving the Black Bear Pass while negotiating the treacherous ride up to the highest elevation on our island - 14' above sea level. XD
Best regards,
Capt. Blackheart Charlie
Great job Jeepster Gal. Awesome
Props to her. All I see is a great job not mashing the brake and rolling.
They’ve widened the switchbacks since my day. No Gladiator could have ever made that in the 80s
I've run down Black Bear Pass in my 2011 Wrangler Unlimited, it was tight on a couple of switch back turns, but it was doable..
I've heard it's closed now...
All those badges..she can't be the driver..to have never been tippy
Short wheel base has a huge play there. Ask the Guy in 2018 in thre FJ Cruiser! I was a few cars behind.
14:32 This spot is likely the most disturbing....immediate view of height, the off angle and narrow trail make for major PUCKER time !!!!!!!
Welcome to Colorful Colorado!
Just a little side note; this State can and will consume people...
Hope everyone can safely enjoy this amazing wilderness!
While off roading you need to
Turn AC off
No music
No unnecessary talk
Listen to car wheels engine road suspension
Keep windows down
Don’t panic
Don’t laugh
Stay focused
Don’t look at your phone
See where you are going
Plan 50 meters ahead at least
Take that ledge high on the right then turn driver into the off camber and keep rolling through it. Numerous rollovers there over the past few years.
What a butcher used to say: Only after a few years is when the knifes get sharpest. (When you get so much experience and succes that you start to relax just a tiny bit too much)
The person driving that orange Jeep doesn't belong on a trail like Black Bear Pass. That is not a trail for beginners to learn on. Another observation is with the spare tire missing from that Jeep it makes makes the back end light and out of balance. Nice job spotting and calming her down though.
not a beginner, just got too confident in the moment & realized last minute that the line was wrong. great idea about the spare though!!
I ran this solo the first time. And while it wasn’t quite as exciting as this video, my hands were a little shaky after my 7 yr old spotter got back in the truck.😂
Great Job guiding her and keeping her calm 👍
that was a close one 😮
No it wasn't
Not even bad at all. Come to Utah and try some trails out here. They are short but much more challenging than that.
Definitely! We had done a bunch, but more Moab next year for sure.
I would follow that guy. Calm and in command.
Awesome four wheeler or side by side trail
"I'm a father. Take your kid out wheeling, and see if you don't do dumb stuff too." 🤣 Perfect!
So many drivers on trails these days that shouldn't be.
It takes experience and patience to drive that road. It’s not for idiots in their new truck. Practice somewhere safe until you always know exactly where all four wheels are all the time. Stand it up on three wheels until you know the balance perfectly as well. The first attempt should be with another expert in a second vehicle. I never had a problem. It’s a great ride.
I would be feeling the same way. Actually wouldn't even attempt that. Went on Ophir pass (not the driver) and my eyes were closed a lot of the way.
Me watching this video knowing the camera makes everything look so much less steep than it really is. I'd have to walk some of that 🤣😂😅
And that was an EASY maneuver!!! How did she make it down alive????