Dude, I've been struggling so much with setting up and controlling my network for my audio/video productions. One things works, ten things drop out. I found out that the DHCP was reaalllyyyy messing up all IP addresses, but because of it, I could not find said IP addresses. After wachting this vid, I got the GL-A1300 plus, and literally within seconds everything worked. Even the struggles of connecting PZM cams to my video mixer just vanished, all effin' worked! Big big big thank you!!!
I'm late to the party on this video, that GL.iNet GL-MT1300 is really slick. Thanks for sharing this. I ran into an issue shooting a wedding where internet was so sketchy providing zoom for those tuning in and I ended up using a cell phone. Having support for multiple networks all at once is great. Thanks for sharing this, Doug.
I built datacenters for a living early in my career. Having a MANAGED switch is always the way to go when you need to prioritize traffic and segment traffic for video from the traffic to the internet. Great job explaining the importance of this.
It's nice to catch a video that confirms what I've been doing, has been the smart thing. I set my mobile setup this way from the beginning. Of course, I'm using a consumer network router... Which I should change to something a bit more robust. Thanks for the confirmation.
Im in the process of creating a 'Portable HomeLab' and have been looking into the Slate AX as the solution, and after your review I think I am sold. Thanks for taking the time.
Thanks Doug. GL iNet has been my travel routers of choice for years. I just bought the AXT1800 Slate and was getting ready to use it for a portable video network setup so your video saved me a lot of research time. Great explanation of the various configurations available with one of these great little portable routers.
Dear Doug, thanks for your videos. You are creating great content. My team learned already a lot by watching them and following your advice. I am working in the field of audio and video since 20 years now but still find usefull advice by listening to other pros. All the best for 2023!
All my ATEM racks have a router since the first i set up many years ago. All devices are set to fixed IP adresses. No mess with DHCP adresses. Just plug in an start streaming. No matter if it is a local Network, a cellular bonding, a satellite modem, or a wifi client connected to the WAN Port.
I have been a fan of the GL.iNET mini routers as they are happy to pair to and iphone over USB for internet if the local internet fails and they support wireguard VPN tunnels as well.
I picked up the Slate Plus a month ago after seeing a Drew Brashler video that included it. I’ve been wanting this for a long time. I need a network for audio or video but always had to take my laptop off it to use internet. Now all my connected devices have internet through my phone (which is charging all the while). I get my connection and internet. I love it! Thank you for showing features I was unaware of with the update. I’ll look for if/when it’s available on my model too. Thanks!
I really appreciate this video Doug! This exact situation bit me last year the at a conference I stream annually. The organizer had chosen a new location and the venue had some kind of weird security settings on their WiFi that prevented my iPad from connecting to and controlling my iPhone's exposure, focus and zoom remotely (FiLMiC or Movie Pro). There was some other cool stuff I was going to roll out for panning and tilting the iPhone that I had to abandon for the same reason. Fortunately the ATEM and computer still worked via ethernet! - - - I just ordered one of these and I'm going to get it all set up before the next conference. I also like the size of this guy since I have to fly with as little equipment as possible. The failover is something that I've never had the finances to consider, so that's something I'm looking forward to implementing.
Relying on WiFi at all could get you in trouble. If you haven't seen this video yet ruclips.net/video/KMrnCikIn8o/видео.html, please take a few minutes to do so.
Got this router last month, took it to Florida and it was great. I got it to tap into wireless networks for my vidiu. Allows me to connect the vidiu through the lan and bond with my other sources.
Hey Doug, Another great video!! I own the Slate AX, and bought it for the exact same reasons that you mentioned here in your video... now, I'm not a 'network guy' and the extend of my knowledge somewhat stops at having a private LAN (10.0.x.x) and setting static IP addresses on any "cased hardware" that I have (also a Blackmagic user) ... for those two aspects, I understand the "why" and their importance (spelled out in your video), but what I don't know is the reasoning for having separate VLANs ... I've noticed in your other videos that you configure your switch(es) with different VLANs and all my Googling online comes back with more use cases within say an office or corporate environment... nothing really around "mobile broadcasting and audio equipment" ... maybe a plug or request for an upcoming video ;) Thanks!
Having multiple VLANs isn't necessary for most people in most situations. In my case, I want to keep my Dante audio network separate from my local area network traffic, and that separate from my Internet connection from a venue, but be able to have those travel over a single cable. VLANs and trunking make that possible.
Hi Doug. Can you do a separate breakdown of this video. Like what this setup accomplishes. I'm someone looking to get into the AV industry. I'm an audio engineer btw.
Is anyone aware of any deep dives into network configuration of a video live streaming set up? I still have a lot to learn about networking. I am working on a new rig and I had happened to buy on of these routers. So was pleased to see this video pop up. One thing I need to know more about is how to help a venue ensure they can supply me an uplink that will work for me. Site visit testing is not always possible.
Buy at least two of the GLiNet devices so you have a fully configured spare - the features are great and traffic management is rock solid BUT the build quality is poor. In particular the USB power input port is prone to falling off the board.
FYI, I have one of these devices and I've used it for a couple of years. I've had multiple times where it froze and stopped routing and my stream died. I am not entirely certain why, but I think it is because it overheated. I had to pull the power go get it back up and running.
This is a lot of what I do as an IT specialist on my Type 2 Fire Team. Probably doesn't pay as well but it's fun. Interested in going out with a fire team this summer?
Hey Doug, looking at adding one of these to my setup. What happens when you plug in at a hotel and they require you to log into a splash page? Would that splash page still come up on a Macbook that's plugged into this "private" network (GLInet and a switch)? What happens if you plug a second computer in?
Usually, yes... the first computer will bring up the "login" page. But you may want to turn off the secure DNS feature of the router to give yourself the best chance of this working. Additional computers and devices don't usually have to go through that process, since the MAC address of the router is now registered in their system and serves as proof that you're allowed to use the network.
Hi Doug. Great video as always. Do I remember correctly or did you also make a video for replacing the antenna connections for the GL-iNet router at some point? Could you post a link to that please? :D
@@djp_video for video streaming and especially when the venue doesn't have wired connection available and you have to use mobile internet. I personally use a Netgear M1 in these cases. Thanks for the reply.
It sounds like you need general Internet connectivity, not just bonding for the video encoding. There are a lot of solutions out there. Do a search for "cellular bonding router" to find something appropriate for your needs. The required back-end services can get a little pricey. Be prepared for some potential sticker shock.
Routers which load balance but do not rely on a back-end services to re-aggregate the data do so by splitting up various data transmissions across multiple connections. And multiple connections means multiple IP addresses are used (one for each connection) and, unless both of those connections are with the same ISP, almost certainly different paths for the data to reach its destination. So even if a hypothetical video streaming protocol could be split up across multiple connections, the chance of that data arriving in the right order in a consistent amount of time across the connections is low, and if the receiving end isn't specifically designed to handle that it pretty much would break things. Existing video streaming protocols weren't designed to handle that. In the real world, many of us use RTMP to stream to most streaming services, and RTMP is based on TCP/IP, which explicitly does not allow a connection to be split across multiple IP addresses. TCP inherently requires that the sending IP address for every packet as part of a connection ("conversation") be the same; it's part of how the conversation is identified. So by its very nature RTMP can't be split across multiple connections without additional help from a service that knows how to split it and re-aggregate it at the receiving end, making it look to all involved in the conversation that that separation and aggregation never took place. That's what bonding services do for us -- the client device splits up packets across available connections, which are all sent in their own wrapper to a proxying server under their control, where it's re-assembled into a single stream of data before being sent out to the public internet from their equipment using one of their IP addresses. Without bonding, it's just not possible to balance the load of an RTMP (or any TCP) connection across multiple internet connections. And even though the other major IP protocol, UDP, doesn't explicitly require that the sending device send every packet from the same IP address, in practice that might as well be a technical requirement. Re-assembling the data at the receiving end would be difficult to do. And even though SRT uses UDP rather than TCP, it still isn't going to handle having its packets of data being split up across multiple connections with multiple IP addresses in a way that would make it useful to do so, even if the receiving server could figure out how to reassemble them. In all likelihood, if someone were to try to split up UDP packets which are all intended to be part of the same session, but without the underlying protcol being designed ot handle that, it would just break it. On top of all of that, most load balancing devices do not even attempt to split up a single "conversation" between a client and server device across its multiple internet connections -- usually quite the opposite, trying to preserve consistency. That would break stuff, and that's the last thing that a vendor would want to deal with -- the technical support load of answering and/or fixing specific protocols in their devices when they don't work as their owners would expect them to. So if you were to start streaming to RUclips from behind a load balancing router, that entire session with RUclips would go out on just one of the available connections. The major purpose of load balancing is to make sure that multiple users' traffic is split across multiple connections, not a single session of a single user. It's all more especially true today where security is taking more of a front seat than it used to. It's very common today for servers to use the IP address of a client as one of its signals that a user of their service is who they claim to be and that someone isn't attempting to impersonate them. When a single session bounces across multiple IP addresses, that's very fishy. Google, for example, often requires people to re-authenticate when a client's IP address changes unexpectedly. It happens to me every time I use a VPN service, or my router switches to my backup internet connection when my primary connection becomes unavailable.
Great video; thanks. Do you have a video or instructions on how to set up this unit to failover from one connection to another and how to establish its own network that can assign DHCP to devices connected to it or a switch connected to it? Thanks.
I haven't shown explicit steps on how to set it up. The failover part is fairly straightforward. As mentioned in the video, though, you have to be on a 4.x version of the firmware; it isn't available on earlier versions. The stock firmware for these routers do not support DHCP reservations. You can specify the range of IP Addresses handed out by the router, but that's about it for configuration options.
Where do you place your router? Especially with respect to your fiber trunk. Are you placing it and a switch at your drop point or do you bring the house internet connection straight back to your control room on a dedicated line?
I just thought of a good use for this router. If the venue has no internet you could stick a simcard into the router and then connect the router to the ethernet of the VidiU X or Go. This would give the VidiU a whole new cellular connection. Like adding another USB modem, but via the ethernet. Think that would work?
The router itself doesn't have a SIM slot; you'd need a USB modem with a SIM slot, or a cell phone via USB, or a hotspot. If you aren't already using the Ethernet port of the VidiU this would work. But Ethernet should probably be the first port you use and then add alternative connections like cellular or WiFi on top of that.
@@djp_video Yup, ethernet not always available shooting outdoor weddings in Alaska (ha). So glad I found this video (and was already a subscriber). This really helped me make my decision on which VidiU to get. And helped me understand the need to have my own router at gigs. I clicked your Amazon link, so hopefully you get some bucks from me. Thanks.
Great video. If I have two of these, can I connect my hotspot to one and the use the other as a repeater, connect to the first one’s Wi-Fi said and use the second as a range extender? My use case is that i livestream outside sports and want to ensure my cameras don’t drop their connections to the Wi-Fi Thanks in advance
Another informative video Doug, thank you. Question - are you able to split up and route the lan traffic either by mac address, packet type, or lan port to different wan connections? for example, could I route my encoder to the ethernet wan port and all my other "control" devices to the bridged wifi wan?
@@djp_video Multi-wan routing is more common than you may think. Complex/Combined Scenarios: In some cases, you may need more than two WAN connections. For example, you might have a primary connection for data, a secondary connection for voice, and a tertiary connection for the failover of either connection, etc.
Great video thank you. I have the Opal. I picked it up about a month ago bc the hotels we’ve been working at do not have Ethernet readily available. It has been working great for us. I’m very novice when it comes to networking so this might be a dumb question. But is this router “powerful” enough to handle a few NDI streams? I have the Opal connected to an unmanaged switch and nothing else. All my equipment is connected to the switch and not the router. Does that mean that the switch will do all the heavy lifting for LAN traffic like NDI. And the router will only need to handle the traffic going to and from the internet? Is that right? I’m just unsure bc as cool as this thing is, it kind of looks like a cute toy and idk if it’s “powerful” enough to handle NDI. Again sorry if that’s a dumb notion…I just don’t know how these things work and im trying to learn as fast as I can.
The NDI traffic won't go through the router at all, so it will be fine. But even if it did, these routers are powerful enough to handle that kind of load.
Great find and awesome video! Can you customise the ping tests and failover parameters? I find many units failover way too slowly for streaming and cause interruptions. I usually set it to ping more often so it will failover quickly if needed. If this does that as well it will be perfect. Cheers
I have the opal. The same firmware is in beta but I'm on stable currently. I've used this in pretty large venues without any major issues. The wifi is a bit weak but it's not really the primary function of the device in my opinion. There are also some differences in functionality between the web ui and the phone app on the current versions which is a bit annoying. The phone app is actually pretty convenient.
I have the Opal. I haven’t gotten too much experience with it though. When you say weak, how weak? I generally need WiFi for a few devices on stage like band members iPad. And then I might need WiFi at our production table in the back. I figured I could just add another AP in the back when we’re in a bigger space. Would that work?
In order to direct questions to my Discord server. I was answering the same questions over and over. And without the ability to share files and pictures it is hard to support on RUclips. djp.li/discord
VPN Server will be difficult, as the venue needs to add portforwarding rules to theyr router. Better set up your VPN Server on a vps Server and let the router connector to the VPN Server in the cloud. External People either use a Computer with VPN Client or a second router with VPN Client alsow connecting to the vps VPN Server. this way you only need one Public IP or Portforwarding at one site, the dedicateted VPN Server, somwhere in the Cloud (VPS) or at your office. this way you dont need to portforwarding at the venue.
I guess this type of device handles any double NAT situation seamlessly? Normally when you connect your own router to a location's existing network, the two routers will result in a double NAT scenario on your network and therefore your network won't work correctly.
The biggest issue is if the local network looks for TTL values that are not default coming from your network port. A lot of places that charge for network access such as convention centers will do this. The router @djp_video showed allow you to re-write the TTL values so the traffic doesn’t appear to be coming through a router.
Hey Doug, nice find as always, can I ask what the new m odel for GL-iNet Beryl is? Is it the Beryl AX GL-MT3000 your referring to or is there going to be a version 2 of the Beryl GL-MT1300 that you currently have? Thanks Doug Paris...
The big difference is the WiFi... the new AX models use WiFi 6 rather than WiFi 5. That usually means somewhat improved reliability and can mean faster speeds if you have compatible devices. But the difference isn't that big. If you don't need something right away you can wait for the new AX versions to ship, sure go ahead and wait, but otherwise you can get a current model and still be happy with it. (Or get the Slate AX which is already available).
Hi Doug, Thanks for this video. I am really considering getting one of the devices mentioned for my production. I have one question though. A lot of venues, especially hotels, have wifi with a Login/Splash page where you need to login or confirm. Is it possible to connect to those wifi networks with these devices?
In most cases you just have to authorize one time. And in most cases when you're working with a paying client the hotel/venue will authorize your router's MAC address if you ask.
I've been using one of these routers for a few months specifically for when I am in hotel spaces. You can access the login/splash page once you setup the router to connect to the network. I found using my laptop was easier to get the login/splash page to authorize. After that, the router is recognized as the connected device to the hotel and any other devices you have on your network (wireless or wired) will connect without needing to do the login/splash page. There have been hiccups and disconnects, but usually when connected for longer than 24 hours.
@jimbarnes05 So I’ve had this issue before, are you saying first connect the beryl and network switch and then use laptop to connect to their wifi/splash page?
@@abrahamcorona349 TL;DR Connect your device to your router's WiFi, then your router to the local (hotel) WiFi, then try to hit the splash page on your device. Here are the steps I do: 1. turn on my router. 2. connect my phone or laptop my router's wireless network. 3. open the IP address for my router in a browser and login to the admin page for my router. 4. Now in the router settings, turn on "Repeater" and connect to the local WiFi (hotel) AND/OR connect ethernet to the WAN port on my router. 5. Once my router is connected to the hotel WiFi or ethernet, open a generic page in my browser to try and prompt the splash page of the hotel network. If the splash page comes up, enter the credentials/accept the terms and you should be good to go for any device that connects to your router. The issues I've usually had are when the splash page will not come up and my browser just sees that it can't reach the website because the security certificate is incorrect. I try a couple different website addresses until the splash page finally comes up. Sometimes rebooting the router helps. If you're having trouble with the VPN, consider rebooting your router after you it connected to the hotel WiFi AND you're past the splash page.
Thanks for this info. I am definitely not a network pro, so I have couple questions. Why are you using a switch? And does it matter how much bandwidth the router can send out? Would you want something like the nighthawk router? Thanks in advance. I appreciate it.
Switches are essentially splitters for Ethernet. They allow you to connect more devices than you can connect directly to your router. Most routers only have a handful of Ethernet ports and the way to connect more devices than you have ports for on your router is to add a switch. The Internet connection in almost all cases is going to be your bottleneck. Unless you're paying for 10Gbps Internet access, your router and switch are going to be much faster than your Internet connection. High-end routers will get you faster WiFi, but in most cases a decent router is going to give you the full speed of your Internet connection for devices connected using Ethernet. The speed of the WiFi radio is the biggest difference between a mid-range and high-end router. If you don't need ultra high speed WiFi, you can get a low-to-midrange router and be fine. But with that said, wired Ethernet is almost always going to feel faster than the fastest WiFi, no matter what the numbers say.
Is it common for venue networks to allow outside routers? Isn't there a risk of being kicked off the network if they have set up safety measures for this? I just know this wouldn't fly on our campus network...
It isn't uncommon. And usually venues will work with you if you're there working with a paying client. Often you just have to tell IT the SSID and BSSID of your WAPs and they will white list your gear.
I purchased a router with wan/lan and wireless connectivity for just this purpose of not having to reconfigure devices at different venues. One of the problems that I have a hard time wrapping my head around is DHCP server and assigning fixed IP addresses from the router. If you're connecting into a venue ethernet connection and that connection is tied to a router that already has DHCP running, you have to do a few things to make assigning fixed IP addresses from the mobile router? I'm such an idiot when it comes to basic networking.
Your own LAN will be completely independent of the venue's internet connection, so you can do anything you want on your LAN. Just make sure you're connecting your router's WAN port to the venue, and that all of your devices are connected to your LAN side either directly to your router or through a switch. DHCP should probably be enabled for your own network. If you want to use fixed IP addresses on your own network you can do that, but those addresses should be outside the range assigned by DHCP. For example if your router was at 192.168.0.1 and uses the range from 192.168.0.100 through 192.168.0.199 for DHCP, you can use addresses 192.168.0.2 through 192.168.0.99 for your static IP addresses without worry of creating an IP address conflict. Alternately, instead of static IP addresses, you can use a router's DHCP Reservation feature to pre-assign specific IP addresses to your devices. That gives you the benefit of static IP addresses without the hassle of assigning them manually to each device.
Hello Doug, great videos…so useful. Just thinking about ip addresses…would you advise DHCP reservation over fixed IP? Basically I want to be able to arrive, plug in all the equipment and have everything where it was IP wise! Thank you😊
I haven't tried it myself, but I've heard from a number of viewers who have indicated that Speedify doesn't work very well for streaming video. The consensus seems to be that the variable latency across connections is a problem.
I feel so dumb not thinking about just putting in a router. I always just ran 2 usb ethernet dongels, one for ISP and another going to a switch to all my devices on a static ip.
If that's a priority, you might consider getting either a Slate AX or wait for one of the new Beryl AX verions, which feature WiFi 6. Even better, use an Ethernet cable for the most consistent ping times and transfer rates.
Hallo, ich bin Fotograf. Ich möchte Blackmagic Television Studio Pro 4k kaufen. Ich weiß nicht, ob es gut ist oder hat technische Probleme. Was ist der beste 4k-Mixer? Danke.
Answering any "what is the best" question is really hard without knowing your requirements and budget. The Television Studio Pro 4K is an older model and lacks some of the newer features on other ATEM models like recording and streaming and SuperSource, but it does have built-in scalers/frame rate converters. It's still a very capable switcher though.
The "best" is going to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. I assume that's outside your budget. A very good one that is reasonably priced is the ATEM Constellation 8K.
3rd video published about this device in the last couple of days...what's going on here? Did gli net send out a bunch of sample products this week? lol
@@djp_video what an interesting coincidence,lol. All 3 of the videos I'm a regular subscriber, so it isn't a seo issue. I really wish we could load speedify on these.
@@PopularWebz Streaming is primarily what Speedify gets marketed for. It’s certainly not always flawless, but considering it’s the only software-based bonding solution readily available versus expensive hardware bonding routers or dedicated bonding encoders, from the testing I’ve done it performs very well.
Made in china - chinese company - reading company site blogs folks see network traffic going back to china - no thanks! HOw about hooking wireshark up to the WAN port and analyzing what chinese domains it is phoning home too?
Of the times that I've worked for other video production companies, 90% of the time that's what I see. But often they don't bother to reconfigure. They'll leave the equipment set on static IP addresses that don't match the subnet of the venue. So each computer connected to the network either gets Internet access, or has access to the equipment, but not both. It's kind of maddening.
I mean you could have both. Easy to do on a Mac. Windows also supports DHCP+static on the same NIC but you have to drop to the command line unfortunately. But so much easier to use a router.
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Dude, I've been struggling so much with setting up and controlling my network for my audio/video productions. One things works, ten things drop out. I found out that the DHCP was reaalllyyyy messing up all IP addresses, but because of it, I could not find said IP addresses.
After wachting this vid, I got the GL-A1300 plus, and literally within seconds everything worked.
Even the struggles of connecting PZM cams to my video mixer just vanished, all effin' worked!
Big big big thank you!!!
I purchased this based on your recommendation and used it for the first time! Production ran smoothly. Thanks again!
Glad it's working well for you!
I'm late to the party on this video, that GL.iNet GL-MT1300 is really slick. Thanks for sharing this. I ran into an issue shooting a wedding where internet was so sketchy providing zoom for those tuning in and I ended up using a cell phone. Having support for multiple networks all at once is great. Thanks for sharing this, Doug.
I built datacenters for a living early in my career. Having a MANAGED switch is always the way to go when you need to prioritize traffic and segment traffic for video from the traffic to the internet. Great job explaining the importance of this.
I'll have to do a video on managed switches sometime.
@@djp_video ... just saw this response after making my comment above! I guess I'm always asking myself am I over or under thinking my mobile network
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I had one of these routers and NEVER thought to use it in my situation. Will sure explore this
It's nice to catch a video that confirms what I've been doing, has been the smart thing. I set my mobile setup this way from the beginning.
Of course, I'm using a consumer network router... Which I should change to something a bit more robust.
Thanks for the confirmation.
Im in the process of creating a 'Portable HomeLab' and have been looking into the Slate AX as the solution, and after your review I think I am sold. Thanks for taking the time.
Been doing this for years now, won't do it any other way! Always great to run your own Lan
Thanks Doug. GL iNet has been my travel routers of choice for years. I just bought the AXT1800 Slate and was getting ready to use it for a portable video network setup so your video saved me a lot of research time. Great explanation of the various configurations available with one of these great little portable routers.
Dear Doug, thanks for your videos. You are creating great content. My team learned already a lot by watching them and following your advice. I am working in the field of audio and video since 20 years now but still find usefull advice by listening to other pros. All the best for 2023!
Great to hear! Thank you!
All my ATEM racks have a router since the first i set up many years ago. All devices are set to fixed IP adresses. No mess with DHCP adresses.
Just plug in an start streaming. No matter if it is a local Network, a cellular bonding, a satellite modem, or a wifi client connected to the WAN Port.
I have been a fan of the GL.iNET mini routers as they are happy to pair to and iphone over USB for internet if the local internet fails and they support wireguard VPN tunnels as well.
I picked up the Slate Plus a month ago after seeing a Drew Brashler video that included it. I’ve been wanting this for a long time. I need a network for audio or video but always had to take my laptop off it to use internet. Now all my connected devices have internet through my phone (which is charging all the while). I get my connection and internet. I love it!
Thank you for showing features I was unaware of with the update. I’ll look for if/when it’s available on my model too. Thanks!
Thanks for the tip! Works great! One less thing to worry about on the job!
Another amazing video! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I really appreciate this video Doug! This exact situation bit me last year the at a conference I stream annually. The organizer had chosen a new location and the venue had some kind of weird security settings on their WiFi that prevented my iPad from connecting to and controlling my iPhone's exposure, focus and zoom remotely (FiLMiC or Movie Pro). There was some other cool stuff I was going to roll out for panning and tilting the iPhone that I had to abandon for the same reason. Fortunately the ATEM and computer still worked via ethernet! - - - I just ordered one of these and I'm going to get it all set up before the next conference. I also like the size of this guy since I have to fly with as little equipment as possible. The failover is something that I've never had the finances to consider, so that's something I'm looking forward to implementing.
Relying on WiFi at all could get you in trouble. If you haven't seen this video yet ruclips.net/video/KMrnCikIn8o/видео.html, please take a few minutes to do so.
Thanks, Doug. Great advice, as usual.
Thank you, sir. This is great! We stream Foosball tournaments, so we are at different venues all the time. Greetings from Germany, love your videos :)
Got this router last month, took it to Florida and it was great. I got it to tap into wireless networks for my vidiu. Allows me to connect the vidiu through the lan and bond with my other sources.
Hey Doug, Another great video!! I own the Slate AX, and bought it for the exact same reasons that you mentioned here in your video... now, I'm not a 'network guy' and the extend of my knowledge somewhat stops at having a private LAN (10.0.x.x) and setting static IP addresses on any "cased hardware" that I have (also a Blackmagic user) ... for those two aspects, I understand the "why" and their importance (spelled out in your video), but what I don't know is the reasoning for having separate VLANs ... I've noticed in your other videos that you configure your switch(es) with different VLANs and all my Googling online comes back with more use cases within say an office or corporate environment... nothing really around "mobile broadcasting and audio equipment" ... maybe a plug or request for an upcoming video ;) Thanks!
Having multiple VLANs isn't necessary for most people in most situations.
In my case, I want to keep my Dante audio network separate from my local area network traffic, and that separate from my Internet connection from a venue, but be able to have those travel over a single cable. VLANs and trunking make that possible.
Some venues will not allow a router to be attached. I stream from my laptop with a separate USB nic which has been very sucessful as well.
Very useful, Doug. Thanks.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Hi Doug. Can you do a separate breakdown of this video. Like what this setup accomplishes. I'm someone looking to get into the AV industry. I'm an audio engineer btw.
If I was to redo it, it would likely be about the same. What questions do you have?
Is anyone aware of any deep dives into network configuration of a video live streaming set up? I still have a lot to learn about networking. I am working on a new rig and I had happened to buy on of these routers. So was pleased to see this video pop up. One thing I need to know more about is how to help a venue ensure they can supply me an uplink that will work for me. Site visit testing is not always possible.
I haven't looked around for such a thing, but a series on networking is on my to-do list.
Love the videos and learn a lot while watching!
This dude hits it out of the park every time! Excellent video 🎉🎉🎉
Buy at least two of the GLiNet devices so you have a fully configured spare - the features are great and traffic management is rock solid BUT the build quality is poor. In particular the USB power input port is prone to falling off the board.
FYI, I have one of these devices and I've used it for a couple of years. I've had multiple times where it froze and stopped routing and my stream died. I am not entirely certain why, but I think it is because it overheated. I had to pull the power go get it back up and running.
This is a lot of what I do as an IT specialist on my Type 2 Fire Team. Probably doesn't pay as well but it's fun. Interested in going out with a fire team this summer?
Thank you for this excellent and informative review. It really helps.
Hey Doug, looking at adding one of these to my setup. What happens when you plug in at a hotel and they require you to log into a splash page? Would that splash page still come up on a Macbook that's plugged into this "private" network (GLInet and a switch)? What happens if you plug a second computer in?
Usually, yes... the first computer will bring up the "login" page. But you may want to turn off the secure DNS feature of the router to give yourself the best chance of this working.
Additional computers and devices don't usually have to go through that process, since the MAC address of the router is now registered in their system and serves as proof that you're allowed to use the network.
I love your network videos.
Hi Doug. Great video as always. Do I remember correctly or did you also make a video for replacing the antenna connections for the GL-iNet router at some point?
Could you post a link to that please? :D
It was part of this live stream:
Upgrading my ATEM Constellation Portable Video Production Flypack
ruclips.net/user/liveqkCPxURJgVY
Brilliant! Thanks again@@djp_video !
That was really useful. Thanks a lot, Doug
Great video Doug. Do you have any idea for bonding different conexions? Not LiveU or Speedify. Something more reliable and cheaper.
For video streaming or general internet usage?
@@djp_video for video streaming and especially when the venue doesn't have wired connection available and you have to use mobile internet. I personally use a Netgear M1 in these cases. Thanks for the reply.
It sounds like you need general Internet connectivity, not just bonding for the video encoding.
There are a lot of solutions out there. Do a search for "cellular bonding router" to find something appropriate for your needs.
The required back-end services can get a little pricey. Be prepared for some potential sticker shock.
Very helpful video -- can you please clarify why "Load Balance" might be unreliable for a live-stream? Is this model-specific or generally? TIA
Routers which load balance but do not rely on a back-end services to re-aggregate the data do so by splitting up various data transmissions across multiple connections. And multiple connections means multiple IP addresses are used (one for each connection) and, unless both of those connections are with the same ISP, almost certainly different paths for the data to reach its destination. So even if a hypothetical video streaming protocol could be split up across multiple connections, the chance of that data arriving in the right order in a consistent amount of time across the connections is low, and if the receiving end isn't specifically designed to handle that it pretty much would break things.
Existing video streaming protocols weren't designed to handle that.
In the real world, many of us use RTMP to stream to most streaming services, and RTMP is based on TCP/IP, which explicitly does not allow a connection to be split across multiple IP addresses. TCP inherently requires that the sending IP address for every packet as part of a connection ("conversation") be the same; it's part of how the conversation is identified. So by its very nature RTMP can't be split across multiple connections without additional help from a service that knows how to split it and re-aggregate it at the receiving end, making it look to all involved in the conversation that that separation and aggregation never took place. That's what bonding services do for us -- the client device splits up packets across available connections, which are all sent in their own wrapper to a proxying server under their control, where it's re-assembled into a single stream of data before being sent out to the public internet from their equipment using one of their IP addresses. Without bonding, it's just not possible to balance the load of an RTMP (or any TCP) connection across multiple internet connections.
And even though the other major IP protocol, UDP, doesn't explicitly require that the sending device send every packet from the same IP address, in practice that might as well be a technical requirement. Re-assembling the data at the receiving end would be difficult to do. And even though SRT uses UDP rather than TCP, it still isn't going to handle having its packets of data being split up across multiple connections with multiple IP addresses in a way that would make it useful to do so, even if the receiving server could figure out how to reassemble them. In all likelihood, if someone were to try to split up UDP packets which are all intended to be part of the same session, but without the underlying protcol being designed ot handle that, it would just break it.
On top of all of that, most load balancing devices do not even attempt to split up a single "conversation" between a client and server device across its multiple internet connections -- usually quite the opposite, trying to preserve consistency. That would break stuff, and that's the last thing that a vendor would want to deal with -- the technical support load of answering and/or fixing specific protocols in their devices when they don't work as their owners would expect them to. So if you were to start streaming to RUclips from behind a load balancing router, that entire session with RUclips would go out on just one of the available connections. The major purpose of load balancing is to make sure that multiple users' traffic is split across multiple connections, not a single session of a single user.
It's all more especially true today where security is taking more of a front seat than it used to. It's very common today for servers to use the IP address of a client as one of its signals that a user of their service is who they claim to be and that someone isn't attempting to impersonate them. When a single session bounces across multiple IP addresses, that's very fishy. Google, for example, often requires people to re-authenticate when a client's IP address changes unexpectedly. It happens to me every time I use a VPN service, or my router switches to my backup internet connection when my primary connection becomes unavailable.
Excellent explanation - thanks very much
Great video; thanks. Do you have a video or instructions on how to set up this unit to failover from one connection to another and how to establish its own network that can assign DHCP to devices connected to it or a switch connected to it? Thanks.
I haven't shown explicit steps on how to set it up. The failover part is fairly straightforward. As mentioned in the video, though, you have to be on a 4.x version of the firmware; it isn't available on earlier versions.
The stock firmware for these routers do not support DHCP reservations. You can specify the range of IP Addresses handed out by the router, but that's about it for configuration options.
Where do you place your router? Especially with respect to your fiber trunk. Are you placing it and a switch at your drop point or do you bring the house internet connection straight back to your control room on a dedicated line?
The venue's Internet comes into my trailer over my fiber trunk on its own dedicated VLAN, which then goes to my router in my trailer.
I just thought of a good use for this router. If the venue has no internet you could stick a simcard into the router and then connect the router to the ethernet of the VidiU X or Go. This would give the VidiU a whole new cellular connection. Like adding another USB modem, but via the ethernet. Think that would work?
The router itself doesn't have a SIM slot; you'd need a USB modem with a SIM slot, or a cell phone via USB, or a hotspot.
If you aren't already using the Ethernet port of the VidiU this would work. But Ethernet should probably be the first port you use and then add alternative connections like cellular or WiFi on top of that.
@@djp_video Yup, ethernet not always available shooting outdoor weddings in Alaska (ha). So glad I found this video (and was already a subscriber). This really helped me make my decision on which VidiU to get. And helped me understand the need to have my own router at gigs. I clicked your Amazon link, so hopefully you get some bucks from me. Thanks.
Great video. If I have two of these, can I connect my hotspot to one and the use the other as a repeater, connect to the first one’s Wi-Fi said and use the second as a range extender?
My use case is that i livestream outside sports and want to ensure my cameras don’t drop their connections to the Wi-Fi
Thanks in advance
Yes, it does have this capability.
Another informative video Doug, thank you. Question - are you able to split up and route the lan traffic either by mac address, packet type, or lan port to different wan connections? for example, could I route my encoder to the ethernet wan port and all my other "control" devices to the bridged wifi wan?
No. Switches/routers don't work like that.
What are you trying to accomplish?
@@djp_video Multi-wan routing is more common than you may think. Complex/Combined Scenarios: In some cases, you may need more than two WAN connections. For example, you might have a primary connection for data, a secondary connection for voice, and a tertiary connection for the failover of either connection, etc.
Great video thank you. I have the Opal. I picked it up about a month ago bc the hotels we’ve been working at do not have Ethernet readily available. It has been working great for us.
I’m very novice when it comes to networking so this might be a dumb question. But is this router “powerful” enough to handle a few NDI streams? I have the Opal connected to an unmanaged switch and nothing else. All my equipment is connected to the switch and not the router. Does that mean that the switch will do all the heavy lifting for LAN traffic like NDI. And the router will only need to handle the traffic going to and from the internet? Is that right?
I’m just unsure bc as cool as this thing is, it kind of looks like a cute toy and idk if it’s “powerful” enough to handle NDI. Again sorry if that’s a dumb notion…I just don’t know how these things work and im trying to learn as fast as I can.
The NDI traffic won't go through the router at all, so it will be fine. But even if it did, these routers are powerful enough to handle that kind of load.
@@djp_video great thank you. Sometimes I still cant believe this little $40 router solved so many of our headache wrestling with hotel networks.
Great find and awesome video! Can you customise the ping tests and failover parameters? I find many units failover way too slowly for streaming and cause interruptions. I usually set it to ping more often so it will failover quickly if needed. If this does that as well it will be perfect. Cheers
Yes
Good Stuff!
I have the opal. The same firmware is in beta but I'm on stable currently. I've used this in pretty large venues without any major issues. The wifi is a bit weak but it's not really the primary function of the device in my opinion. There are also some differences in functionality between the web ui and the phone app on the current versions which is a bit annoying. The phone app is actually pretty convenient.
I have the Opal. I haven’t gotten too much experience with it though. When you say weak, how weak?
I generally need WiFi for a few devices on stage like band members iPad. And then I might need WiFi at our production table in the back. I figured I could just add another AP in the back when we’re in a bigger space. Would that work?
interesting router... wish ubiquiti got their hands out of where they stored them...
Why are comments disabled on your "Setup Your Own RTMP + Web Streaming Video Server" video from March 26, 2021?
In order to direct questions to my Discord server. I was answering the same questions over and over. And without the ability to share files and pictures it is hard to support on RUclips.
djp.li/discord
as always thank you
VPN Server will be difficult, as the venue needs to add portforwarding rules to theyr router.
Better set up your VPN Server on a vps Server and let the router connector to the VPN Server in the cloud. External People either use a Computer with VPN Client or a second router with VPN Client alsow connecting to the vps VPN Server. this way you only need one Public IP or Portforwarding at one site, the dedicateted VPN Server, somwhere in the Cloud (VPS) or at your office. this way you dont need to portforwarding at the venue.
A VPN server in the cloud would certainly be the ideal way to go.
Does this support the browser based Wi-Fi login that many hotels use?
Yes. There is a DNS option in the router that you might have to turn off, but it usually works great. I've done it many times.
Thanks Doug. This router is not a true bonding option like a Solo or teradek device?
No. That would require a back-end service to re-assemble the data packets sent across multiple connections, and therefore probably a subscription.
I guess this type of device handles any double NAT situation seamlessly? Normally when you connect your own router to a location's existing network, the two routers will result in a double NAT scenario on your network and therefore your network won't work correctly.
Double NAT hasn't really been a problem for a while now.
@@djp_video Thanks for the reply! I'll definitely be looking into these devices for our Church's portable systems.
The biggest issue is if the local network looks for TTL values that are not default coming from your network port. A lot of places that charge for network access such as convention centers will do this. The router @djp_video showed allow you to re-write the TTL values so the traffic doesn’t appear to be coming through a router.
@@JoshC. Can you expand on this a little? What section of the settings do you administer this?
Hey Doug, nice find as always, can I ask what the new m odel for GL-iNet Beryl is?
Is it the Beryl AX GL-MT3000 your referring to or is there going to be a version 2 of the Beryl GL-MT1300 that you currently have?
Thanks Doug
Paris...
The big difference is the WiFi... the new AX models use WiFi 6 rather than WiFi 5. That usually means somewhat improved reliability and can mean faster speeds if you have compatible devices. But the difference isn't that big. If you don't need something right away you can wait for the new AX versions to ship, sure go ahead and wait, but otherwise you can get a current model and still be happy with it. (Or get the Slate AX which is already available).
Hi Doug, Thanks for this video. I am really considering getting one of the devices mentioned for my production. I have one question though. A lot of venues, especially hotels, have wifi with a Login/Splash page where you need to login or confirm. Is it possible to connect to those wifi networks with these devices?
In most cases you just have to authorize one time. And in most cases when you're working with a paying client the hotel/venue will authorize your router's MAC address if you ask.
I've been using one of these routers for a few months specifically for when I am in hotel spaces. You can access the login/splash page once you setup the router to connect to the network. I found using my laptop was easier to get the login/splash page to authorize. After that, the router is recognized as the connected device to the hotel and any other devices you have on your network (wireless or wired) will connect without needing to do the login/splash page. There have been hiccups and disconnects, but usually when connected for longer than 24 hours.
@jimbarnes05 So I’ve had this issue before, are you saying first connect the beryl and network switch and then use laptop to connect to their wifi/splash page?
@@abrahamcorona349 TL;DR Connect your device to your router's WiFi, then your router to the local (hotel) WiFi, then try to hit the splash page on your device.
Here are the steps I do: 1. turn on my router. 2. connect my phone or laptop my router's wireless network. 3. open the IP address for my router in a browser and login to the admin page for my router. 4. Now in the router settings, turn on "Repeater" and connect to the local WiFi (hotel) AND/OR connect ethernet to the WAN port on my router. 5. Once my router is connected to the hotel WiFi or ethernet, open a generic page in my browser to try and prompt the splash page of the hotel network. If the splash page comes up, enter the credentials/accept the terms and you should be good to go for any device that connects to your router.
The issues I've usually had are when the splash page will not come up and my browser just sees that it can't reach the website because the security certificate is incorrect. I try a couple different website addresses until the splash page finally comes up. Sometimes rebooting the router helps.
If you're having trouble with the VPN, consider rebooting your router after you it connected to the hotel WiFi AND you're past the splash page.
Can anything similar be done with ATEM SDI Extreme ISO?
Which feature specifically? The ATEM SDI series can certainly be used with this router.
Thanks for this info. I am definitely not a network pro, so I have couple questions. Why are you using a switch? And does it matter how much bandwidth the router can send out? Would you want something like the nighthawk router? Thanks in advance. I appreciate it.
Switches are essentially splitters for Ethernet. They allow you to connect more devices than you can connect directly to your router. Most routers only have a handful of Ethernet ports and the way to connect more devices than you have ports for on your router is to add a switch.
The Internet connection in almost all cases is going to be your bottleneck. Unless you're paying for 10Gbps Internet access, your router and switch are going to be much faster than your Internet connection.
High-end routers will get you faster WiFi, but in most cases a decent router is going to give you the full speed of your Internet connection for devices connected using Ethernet. The speed of the WiFi radio is the biggest difference between a mid-range and high-end router. If you don't need ultra high speed WiFi, you can get a low-to-midrange router and be fine. But with that said, wired Ethernet is almost always going to feel faster than the fastest WiFi, no matter what the numbers say.
@@djp_video Thanks so much for the quick and informative reply.
Thanks!
Thank you!!!
Can you use this router (+ small switch) for portable/travel NDI workflow? Any potential issues? Thanks.
NDI wouldn't be passing through this router. NDI usually stays on the local network so it doesn't get handled by a router.
I have two AXT1800 Wifi 6 version
Is it common for venue networks to allow outside routers? Isn't there a risk of being kicked off the network if they have set up safety measures for this? I just know this wouldn't fly on our campus network...
It isn't uncommon. And usually venues will work with you if you're there working with a paying client. Often you just have to tell IT the SSID and BSSID of your WAPs and they will white list your gear.
I purchased a router with wan/lan and wireless connectivity for just this purpose of not having to reconfigure devices at different venues. One of the problems that I have a hard time wrapping my head around is DHCP server and assigning fixed IP addresses from the router. If you're connecting into a venue ethernet connection and that connection is tied to a router that already has DHCP running, you have to do a few things to make assigning fixed IP addresses from the mobile router? I'm such an idiot when it comes to basic networking.
Your own LAN will be completely independent of the venue's internet connection, so you can do anything you want on your LAN. Just make sure you're connecting your router's WAN port to the venue, and that all of your devices are connected to your LAN side either directly to your router or through a switch.
DHCP should probably be enabled for your own network. If you want to use fixed IP addresses on your own network you can do that, but those addresses should be outside the range assigned by DHCP. For example if your router was at 192.168.0.1 and uses the range from 192.168.0.100 through 192.168.0.199 for DHCP, you can use addresses 192.168.0.2 through 192.168.0.99 for your static IP addresses without worry of creating an IP address conflict. Alternately, instead of static IP addresses, you can use a router's DHCP Reservation feature to pre-assign specific IP addresses to your devices. That gives you the benefit of static IP addresses without the hassle of assigning them manually to each device.
Hello Doug, great videos…so useful. Just thinking about ip addresses…would you advise DHCP reservation over fixed IP? Basically I want to be able to arrive, plug in all the equipment and have everything where it was IP wise! Thank you😊
@@grahambannerman2688 When the router supports DHCP reservations, that's often an easier and more convenient way to go.
DHCP reservations are great, but it's simpler to minimize the DHCP range and assign your statics outside that range
I’m surprised no speedify ?
I haven't tried it myself, but I've heard from a number of viewers who have indicated that Speedify doesn't work very well for streaming video. The consensus seems to be that the variable latency across connections is a problem.
Hi Doug,
By any chance do you have any AKG DHT800 BD1 units that you desire to part with?
I don't. I'm still looking for a couple more units myself.
@@djp_video Thank you very much.
What switcher are you using with the Router?
In this particular case, the ATEM 2 M/E Constellation HD. But any should work.
@@djp_video 🤦♂️ I should have clarified, my bad. Not the video switcher. The switcher you connected to the router?
Network switch? TP-Link TL-SG1016PE. But, again, it won't matter -- it will work with any switch.
I feel so dumb not thinking about just putting in a router. I always just ran 2 usb ethernet dongels, one for ISP and another going to a switch to all my devices on a static ip.
Any issues with double Natting?
None that I've noticed
Its the built in WiFi for this router good?
It's fine
@@djp_video cause I would like to use it for my pc to play games and such.
If that's a priority, you might consider getting either a Slate AX or wait for one of the new Beryl AX verions, which feature WiFi 6. Even better, use an Ethernet cable for the most consistent ping times and transfer rates.
@@djp_video thank you I’ll look into it 😊
Hallo, ich bin Fotograf. Ich möchte Blackmagic Television Studio Pro 4k kaufen. Ich weiß nicht, ob es gut ist oder hat technische Probleme. Was ist der beste 4k-Mixer? Danke.
Answering any "what is the best" question is really hard without knowing your requirements and budget.
The Television Studio Pro 4K is an older model and lacks some of the newer features on other ATEM models like recording and streaming and SuperSource, but it does have built-in scalers/frame rate converters. It's still a very capable switcher though.
Ich arbeite im Bereich Video-Großpartys
Was ist der beste 4k-Mixer
The "best" is going to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. I assume that's outside your budget.
A very good one that is reasonably priced is the ATEM Constellation 8K.
3rd video published about this device in the last couple of days...what's going on here? Did gli net send out a bunch of sample products this week? lol
In my case it’s coincidence. I shot this over a month ago and finally had a chance to edit it yesterday
@@djp_video what an interesting coincidence,lol. All 3 of the videos I'm a regular subscriber, so it isn't a seo issue.
I really wish we could load speedify on these.
Speedify is not great for streaming. If you want true hot failover or bonding you may as well buy a Peplink router or similar.
@@PopularWebz how is peplink boding any better than speedify?
@@PopularWebz Streaming is primarily what Speedify gets marketed for. It’s certainly not always flawless, but considering it’s the only software-based bonding solution readily available versus expensive hardware bonding routers or dedicated bonding encoders, from the testing I’ve done it performs very well.
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Not all networks will allow another router present…
There are usually ways around it. Cloning a MAC address and tweaking the TTL come to mind, both of which are supported by this router.
If you are not already banned…
Interested in using that router in a motel room.
I've done it multiple times. It works well.
@@djp_video how about a quick setup video?
I showed it in this very video: ruclips.net/video/FHUu7ZetL-Y/видео.html
Made in china - chinese company - reading company site blogs folks see network traffic going back to china - no thanks! HOw about hooking wireshark up to the WAN port and analyzing what chinese domains it is phoning home too?
Wait, people are doing this any other way!? Configuring the networking of all their equipment every time all over again!?
Of the times that I've worked for other video production companies, 90% of the time that's what I see.
But often they don't bother to reconfigure. They'll leave the equipment set on static IP addresses that don't match the subnet of the venue. So each computer connected to the network either gets Internet access, or has access to the equipment, but not both. It's kind of maddening.
I mean you could have both. Easy to do on a Mac. Windows also supports DHCP+static on the same NIC but you have to drop to the command line unfortunately. But so much easier to use a router.
Buy Mikrotik. Learn how to use it. Profit.
Just love Mikrotik!