Wer dieses Stück jemals mit den Berlinern (!) gehört hat, ist leider für immer verdorben. Ich habe es zweimal mit den Wienern gehört (Köln und Salzburg) und einmal mit den Münchenern unter Thielemann. Klang jedesmal etwas angestrengt und "am Anschlag ". Absolut unübertroffen die Berliner unter Ozawa (Karajans Geist schwebte im Raum 😅): Diese unerschöpfliche Kraft, soviel "Drehmoment"und total mühelos. Wo andere Orchester bei sehr anspruchsvollen Stellen irgendwie "hudeln", scheinen die Berliner die noch zu genießen und auszukosten. Gibt auch hier auf RUclips einen großartigen Ausschnitt mit Semyon Bychkov.
Yes, by American park band trumpet standards they are. They also have some body of tone that the piston park band instruments simply don't have. For me, it's 'not 'out of tune' enough to district from the overall effect of the entire passage. Besides, it should should like it's a struggle to play up there, not a picnic.
Je préfère écouter Mitropoulos avec le même orchestre à la fin des années 50 ou Mravinsky a Leningrad en 1962. De nos jours malgré ces fabuleux musiciens tout est mou......et avec Jordan cela n’arrange rien.........
Great Vienna Horn sound but the tempo is wayyyyyy too slow. This is a piece that if you don't move it along becomes turgid (as here). Tsk. Tsk. Try Karajan who knows what he's doing.......................
Don't like this that much. Sure, it's brilliant, but the tempo is to fast for my taste, the brass sound is too sharp. That's not the Alpensinfonie I know
My favorite music of this composer.
From sunrise to sunset a very, very impressive virtual mountain climbing tour with splendoring summit music. 🏔️
Unbelievable.! All ten playing perfectly.. Best ensemble. Trust me, I've heard 'em all. I'm 79. Oct. 16, 2023. St. Joseph, MO, USA
Fantastic! Those Viennese horns are just magnificent!
What a horn section!!!Vienna horn love it,sound, overtones just beautiful
Unparalleled anywhere else. The Berlin Phil. horns sound like they're playing with tweezers in comparison.
@@barryguerrero6480 they are great anyway
the sound of Ronald JAnezic and Josef Reif is the f... beasty
absolutely yes, even Josef Reif's sound in Mahler 7 is solid and fantastic; the idea of sound that I have in my head
Semplicemente Eccezionali!!! Come sempre del resto. Fantastici!!!
This is real fine music in it's complexity! Bravo to the composer and orchestra!
The most infamous out of tune trumpet can be found In Karajan’s recording of Sinfonia Domestic such things don’t bother the great maestro !
Good thing nobody was in the audience to listen... cause that tuning was ROUGH in the trumpet section xD
Not at all.
@@gddecker You must be deaf if you didn’t hear the intonation issues in the trumpet section.
thank you Brady. Maybe you should become a critic for the Podunk Herald now.
No point in denying it or trying to gloss over it as inconsequential. It's there, it was less than the players own standards one would assume.
Ein klarer Fall für das Arbeitsinspektorat. So etwas ohne Gehörschutz ist grob fahrlässig
Wer dieses Stück jemals mit den Berlinern (!) gehört hat, ist leider für immer verdorben. Ich habe es zweimal mit den Wienern gehört (Köln und Salzburg) und einmal mit den Münchenern unter Thielemann. Klang jedesmal etwas angestrengt und "am Anschlag ". Absolut unübertroffen die Berliner unter Ozawa (Karajans Geist schwebte im Raum 😅): Diese unerschöpfliche Kraft, soviel "Drehmoment"und total mühelos. Wo andere Orchester bei sehr anspruchsvollen Stellen irgendwie "hudeln", scheinen die Berliner die noch zu genießen und auszukosten. Gibt auch hier auf RUclips einen großartigen Ausschnitt mit Semyon Bychkov.
Also ich höre hier nichts "am Anschlag" ..... definitv nicht ^^
@@florianjanezic6665 Dann hörst Du eben falsch oder hast keinen Vergleich!
@@christiangeller1414 das kann ich mir nicht vorstellen
Es gibt eben solche Berufsberliner. Wir anderen dürfen die Pleitestadt fianzieren, damit sie sich solche überflüssigen Luxusorchester leisten können,
Who is this brilliant conductor?
Philippe JORDAN
Wiener horn ❤
Thank you for the video 🙏
Who is the conductor please?
Philippe Jordan
The trumpets are really out of tune 🤔
Play at 0:34. Ouch!
Yes, by American park band trumpet standards they are. They also have some body of tone that the piston park band instruments simply don't have. For me, it's 'not 'out of tune' enough to district from the overall effect of the entire passage. Besides, it should should like it's a struggle to play up there, not a picnic.
Who cares!
@@stevieb6368 My ears do! As well as my taste. And my wallet, if I'd paid to hear this live...!
They’re just out of tune here in the first section. No need to make excuses for them. They were in tune in the latter section, so they know how.
I challenge everybuddy saying the intonation in trumpets is bad playing and hitting those notes in a difficilt piece as the alpensinfonie is.
Who is conducting?
Philippe Jordan.
Trompeten sind wirklich entsetzlich, das kann fast jede Bauernkapelle besser blasen…
Why do vienna horns have so much more power than double horns? Is it just all to do with the bell flare and bell itself?
Es sind Wiener Trompeten
not good. Me no likey. Complete lack of transparence, trumpets out of tune, horns dominated by the tutti.
No audience?
As usual in rehearsals.
maybe covid?
Je préfère écouter Mitropoulos avec le même orchestre à la fin des années 50 ou Mravinsky a Leningrad en 1962. De nos jours malgré ces fabuleux musiciens tout est mou......et avec Jordan cela n’arrange rien.........
Probably one of the more stale and emotionless performances ive heard…. Trumpet…. Why…..
Because it's far too slow Colin.
WTF!?!?!?! THIS IS VIENNA!!!!!!!! You need your ears CHECKED BIG TIME.
what?? no male harp player?????
i'm writing the U.N. !!
(Spectacular playing by the way)
I'm sorta disappointed. I hardly heard the Vienna horns through the screeching strings.
Great Vienna Horn sound but the tempo is wayyyyyy too slow. This is a piece that if you don't move it along becomes turgid (as here). Tsk. Tsk. Try Karajan who knows what he's doing.......................
Bernard Haitink used to direct with this tempo. Btw, if you become turgid listening to this Vienna horn playing, it's only a good thing!
Don't like this that much. Sure, it's brilliant, but the tempo is to fast for my taste, the brass sound is too sharp. That's not the Alpensinfonie I know
Has there been a female in the Vienna horn section ever?
Stop russia - stop war! Stop war - stop terror!
Lame
Yes, Zelenscky should be the head of NATO too
Surprisingly bad, can't compare with bhoth Bychkov and Nelson's performance with the Berlin phil
Horns sometimes play in american style....😔
Or better, american horns play in Viennese style?
What's the American style?
There are practically only men in the orchestra. This is a little strange.
Go to the doctor! There are several in the strings.
Terrible conductor!