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Did you miss the turbulence alone dealing 525k damage? why do you think the hp is higher when they gave players this much free damage? This at large only affects 0-cycles, and I have a suspicion that's what they're after.
Bro I thought this boss was made for Firefly and Rappa specifically so you can imagine my surprise when FF took like 5 cycles to clear it because of bad RNG. Thankfully Feixiao dispatched of Svarog in 2 cycles in the first phase
If you look at the zero cycle clears, I think it’s pretty clear why other characters are capable but Rappa isn’t: they can all go sustainless (or for crit Lingsha, “sustainless”). Superbreak can’t do this atm, only having HMC and Ruan Mei for support. Pela and Jiaoqiu can obviously help, but aren’t quite the damage boost here as they are for Acheron. And Lingsha is obviously great, but isn’t quite the damage amp stacking subdps and supports are (with her as a healer - the aforementioned crit build Lingsha circumvents this by being a DPS herself). And as you mentioned, while the boss being 5 targets and mostly imaginary weak favors rappa, the buffs the tvs provide favor other team archetypes more than Rappa. The action advance only benefits Rappa on her team until the tvs break, in which it marginally helps Lingsha, the attack buff does diddly squat, and her teams don’t struggle with skill points. Meanwhile, most crit teams and firefly love all of these things (although action advance has the same issues as rappa teams). There’s also the fact that 0 cycles aren’t the end all-be-all. It’s pretty clear if you look at several communities, anyone who pulled for the newer characters had an easier time with MoC 12 while those who didn’t struggled. Having Rappa makes this boss way easier than not for the average player. There’s also the fact Fugue is coming up, which will let Rappa maintains stacks a little bit easier with exo-toughness, and giving Lingsha rainbow toughness reduction makes her an even better contributor to Rappa.
Like you said, Fugue is the key for it. Great input BTW, always nice to see people actually have good insight and not just insert mid into a character name and call it a day.
It's high time they release something with more presence than Ruan Mei, what delays a fight like this as opposed to something like the choir is there are 2 tvs that don't have fire weakness diminishing Lingsha contribution and superbreak damage. Any delay to superbreak is fatal because you only have that downed window to deal max damage. Unfortunately it looks like e1 Fugue is their answer to that, so I can't get rid of RM. I cleared this with Himeko so the tv mismatched weakness impact is even more obvious.
Nice video! I just came back from a long time rest (from hsr I left the game at 2.3) and its cool to watch your vídeos again. Here waiting for the sunday+JY 0cycles 😎.
Best I could do with my E0S1 Rappa was a 1 cycle clear with Gallagher. I am definitely feeling the pinch of the back-to-back lingsha and Rappa banners 😂
can i ask if you have a showcase of it? i’ve been trying again and again with my e0s1 rappa and gallagher and i can’t seem to get a better run than a 2 cycle! if there’s any tips you can give
I used Ratio E0S0 with Pela Sub DPS Robin E0S1 and Aventurine E0S1. It was a good clear. I almost died when i got playing bad because Aventurine qa with 11% HP and then he just evaporated my Aventurine's shield on Robin.
A bit unrelated, but do you have any plans to pair xueyi with fugue? I remember how much you enjoyed her character (many cool vids in the past), and fugue allowing for more karma stacks as well as using all of xueyi's BE stats for superbreak should be incredible for her no? I'm not sure if it's MoC 12 worthy but her potential will be raised by a lot I feel like. Not to mention letting her skill get toughness reduction against non-quantum weak, Ill be excited to see if you cook up anything. Also, what even would xueyi's best team be with fugue in the mix?
I actually do but we still needs to see because Xueyi has more damage with a standard critical build rather than relying on superbreaks. I do get the idea that the Exo toughness means more stacks for her. We will see. Fugue isn't out in the CE server yet.
Very nice clear, the dazzling ninja strikes again 🌟 Btw, I've been wanting to ask this for a while now, but is using DDD over Memories of the Past on HMC worth it? I have S3 DDD and I'm not sure if sacrificing BE & ERR is worth it, especially since my HMC relics aren't that good. I'm not looking for a 0-cycle clear, just a casual player.
If you're just looking to clear and not aiming for low cycle clears, stick with memories of the past. Unless you're specifically lacking 1 cycle to get the 3 star clear, swapping to DDD won't really change your account performance.
DDD is better, I had my HMC on planetary just because it was already leveled and my only Memories of the Past was on Ruan Mei, you really don't feel much difference. My DDD is S2 and the constant advance is still noticeably helpful.
I've noticed that energy is almost never a problem for HTB, especially at E6. DDD does wonders for her and her BE% sharing is still quite good even without MotP.
im lacking a support for my fua team (current one is feixiao march aven and moze) should i go for sunday or just pick bronya on the selector? i have bronya sign s1 and i plan on getting the herta
Worth the damage loss for 0-cycling because not being able to use EBA in a single turn can be seen as wasting all the advance forwards you used to get that 1 extra action.
@@iliketrainz4030 Then I get useless SPs. While Ruan Mei has to eat all the energy gains just to proc DDD twice since it's required for the speed tuning. Nothing left for Rappa and Lingsha.
Yea I already know about it since Ruri and Xolze told me about removing Lingsha for Pela. I still stand by the fact that I hate relying on the TV RNG and that clear needs to pass super heavy RNG.
Everyone says Moc11 is harder due to Aventurine but i have boothill to deal with him. For me the Bugs are the problem because i don't have Quantum DPS and i can't use Jingliu since her support (bronya ruanmei) are used by boothill
@@LisaraScarletany reason for this? Seems like sustainless is the way to go, at least as far as 0 cycles go. But I know you do like to do more f2p friendly 0 cycles.
Take into account that Fugue are coming, do you think rappa is able to 0 cycle the svarog boss? Or will she get stuck because of the gatekeeper in phase 1?
Could you elaborate on what the "absurd rng" for acheron 0 cycle is, cuz as far as im aware only extremely low cost acheron require lots of rng while e0s1 acheron with proper limited lcs can achieve the clear with only 1 rng being robin refill Ive seen e0s1 acheron clearing already, 1 ult each phase with 01 robin and 00 jiao and pela (its a facebook link tho)
@@LisaraScarlet i suggest you trying it out, considering that u dont often do extreme low cost clears i think u can easily achieve the clear with more 5* lcs. the rng is most likely exaggerated due to wave 1's absurd incoming damage but that can be avoided by breaking all the dot enemies early, and wave 2 the enemies cant even attack ur chars at all if u play correctly, which i know u can
Bit unrelated, but do you think vonawaq on rappa could be a viable planar for people who don't have sig to get rappa's ultimate faster in the first wave?
Idk if 2 cost acheron can 0 cycle with yukong (xolze telos video) then I would guess you could use a higher cost acheron team and not have to min max tv energy.
impressive clear as always^^ do you think himeko could be a good replacement in the team? she could benefit from the energy + atk (i was struggling with my life using my superbreak himeko + gallagher tho)
Dunno about the exact team used in the vid, but Himeko should be able to kill it. I cleared this boss in 6 cycles using e2s0 Mei/e1s0 Ave with Geppie lc/e0s0 Himeko/e6s0 HMC. I used Ave because I couldn't survive with e4 Gal(skill issue on my part ig) +I unfortunately didn't get Lingsha. Himeko was on Iron Cavarly and Kalpagni having a mix of Crits and BE(on BE rope. Outside battle she had like 60/70 crit ratio if I remember correctly, around 120 BE and 148 spd), using s1 Charmony. HMC was on Watchmaker 145spd and s3 MotP. Mei had that 3* providing energy and 4p Messenger 144/145 spd. I tried making sure HMC and Ave were taking care of non fire weak enemies while Himeko dealt with the rest. Not that impressive ig, but I cleared it just fine. Probably I could do a bit better if I put my s3 DDD on HMC, but I don't feel like doing it again. Got all the stars without having the newest 5* dps' and I'm happy with it.
@@LisaraScarlet u rather have fugue e1 or ruan mid and fugue. considering that hmc is peak fugue e1 sounds perfect. throwing hmc in the bench for a worse performance when u can maximize ur performance🙂.
You are comparing E2S1 acheron to E0S1 Rappa, I never heard a E0 Acheron gets a 0 cycle clear. sorry and let me say this E0 Rappa beats out Acheron by a MIle. While Rappa isn't META, but close enough to META, and even against not imaginary enemies her S1 puts on still in the good to very good stuff, while E0S1 Acheron simply is worthless.
Misinformation E0S0 Acheron already 0 cycle this boss and E0S1 Acheron is definitely still top tier. Acheron during Rappa shill phase still gets better results than Rappa herself. I won't blame Rappa though its a problem with break teams always needing to break the enemy before dealing dmg which can waste a lot of turns in a 2 phase boss.
@@kennethyoung7457dont make it sound like acheron bruteforces the boss lol. shared hp with 5 enemies also shills her and all of them also have lightning weakness what a coincidence
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Activating E1 Ruan Mei should get the clear. For now, I'll just wait for Fugue and do a revenge match in the future.
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@@guoba944 Why are you diving to the comments section before watching
@LisaraScarlet adhd
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@@guoba944no cuz same😭😭
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The HP inflation is very disturbing but still manage to clear it in my account😅 nice showcase btw✨
And this is the nerf version of it, imagine they released it unfixed, my god.
@@PaulNapkinds Nothing was nerfed in the 2nd half. It is only Svarog who got nerfed from 2m HP to 1.6m HP.
Did you miss the turbulence alone dealing 525k damage? why do you think the hp is higher when they gave players this much free damage? This at large only affects 0-cycles, and I have a suspicion that's what they're after.
I think it's the equivalent of Hoolay's HP given the turbulence buff+multi target shared hp +boss giving quite some buffs by the nature of skills
Bro I thought this boss was made for Firefly and Rappa specifically so you can imagine my surprise when FF took like 5 cycles to clear it because of bad RNG. Thankfully Feixiao dispatched of Svarog in 2 cycles in the first phase
If you look at the zero cycle clears, I think it’s pretty clear why other characters are capable but Rappa isn’t: they can all go sustainless (or for crit Lingsha, “sustainless”).
Superbreak can’t do this atm, only having HMC and Ruan Mei for support. Pela and Jiaoqiu can obviously help, but aren’t quite the damage boost here as they are for Acheron. And Lingsha is obviously great, but isn’t quite the damage amp stacking subdps and supports are (with her as a healer - the aforementioned crit build Lingsha circumvents this by being a DPS herself).
And as you mentioned, while the boss being 5 targets and mostly imaginary weak favors rappa, the buffs the tvs provide favor other team archetypes more than Rappa. The action advance only benefits Rappa on her team until the tvs break, in which it marginally helps Lingsha, the attack buff does diddly squat, and her teams don’t struggle with skill points. Meanwhile, most crit teams and firefly love all of these things (although action advance has the same issues as rappa teams).
There’s also the fact that 0 cycles aren’t the end all-be-all. It’s pretty clear if you look at several communities, anyone who pulled for the newer characters had an easier time with MoC 12 while those who didn’t struggled. Having Rappa makes this boss way easier than not for the average player.
There’s also the fact Fugue is coming up, which will let Rappa maintains stacks a little bit easier with exo-toughness, and giving Lingsha rainbow toughness reduction makes her an even better contributor to Rappa.
Like you said, Fugue is the key for it. Great input BTW, always nice to see people actually have good insight and not just insert mid into a character name and call it a day.
It's high time they release something with more presence than Ruan Mei, what delays a fight like this as opposed to something like the choir is there are 2 tvs that don't have fire weakness diminishing Lingsha contribution and superbreak damage. Any delay to superbreak is fatal because you only have that downed window to deal max damage. Unfortunately it looks like e1 Fugue is their answer to that, so I can't get rid of RM.
I cleared this with Himeko so the tv mismatched weakness impact is even more obvious.
I think its fine that superbreak cant 0 cycle, since its a very comfortable team thats gets easy 2-3 cycles
Thank you for the strat. I was stuck trying to solve this fights puzzle. Gonna try your way now.
Nice video! I just came back from a long time rest (from hsr I left the game at 2.3) and its cool to watch your vídeos again. Here waiting for the sunday+JY 0cycles 😎.
Best I could do with my E0S1 Rappa was a 1 cycle clear with Gallagher. I am definitely feeling the pinch of the back-to-back lingsha and Rappa banners 😂
can i ask if you have a showcase of it? i’ve been trying again and again with my e0s1 rappa and gallagher and i can’t seem to get a better run than a 2 cycle! if there’s any tips you can give
@@kwtz7465 it's probably e1 RM diff
A Lisara-hime double video is a nice way to end the night.
Really close run and you looking forward to the rematch.
Thank you for the English subtitles
Just cleared MoC12 with Rappa on the second side
I'm honestly having more difficulty with MoC11
Aventurine is absolutely kicking my ass
Acheron?
I used Ratio E0S0 with Pela Sub DPS Robin E0S1 and Aventurine E0S1.
It was a good clear. I almost died when i got playing bad because Aventurine qa with 11% HP and then he just evaporated my Aventurine's shield on Robin.
@@LisaraScarlet Nah Boothill 🤠
I used Yunli and Moze, with the combined toughness reduction Aventurine only rolled dice once the entire fight
I think I used the premium ratio team for that, and got 22 cycles left, but my ratio has his sig lightcone. Still doable I think
yay for Rappa!
nice strats, plus the song is a banger...
nvm if u didnt 0 cycle, i m here for the BGM sync, this time more perfect
A bit unrelated, but do you have any plans to pair xueyi with fugue? I remember how much you enjoyed her character (many cool vids in the past), and fugue allowing for more karma stacks as well as using all of xueyi's BE stats for superbreak should be incredible for her no? I'm not sure if it's MoC 12 worthy but her potential will be raised by a lot I feel like. Not to mention letting her skill get toughness reduction against non-quantum weak, Ill be excited to see if you cook up anything. Also, what even would xueyi's best team be with fugue in the mix?
I actually do but we still needs to see because Xueyi has more damage with a standard critical build rather than relying on superbreaks. I do get the idea that the Exo toughness means more stacks for her. We will see. Fugue isn't out in the CE server yet.
Still a nice showcase Lisara! Lets go Ranha!
Very nice clear, the dazzling ninja strikes again 🌟
Btw, I've been wanting to ask this for a while now, but is using DDD over Memories of the Past on HMC worth it? I have S3 DDD and I'm not sure if sacrificing BE & ERR is worth it, especially since my HMC relics aren't that good. I'm not looking for a 0-cycle clear, just a casual player.
It is worth even at S3 due to how spammy HTB's ULT is.
If you're just looking to clear and not aiming for low cycle clears, stick with memories of the past. Unless you're specifically lacking 1 cycle to get the 3 star clear, swapping to DDD won't really change your account performance.
DDD is broken so yeah just use it
DDD is better, I had my HMC on planetary just because it was already leveled and my only Memories of the Past was on Ruan Mei, you really don't feel much difference. My DDD is S2 and the constant advance is still noticeably helpful.
I've noticed that energy is almost never a problem for HTB, especially at E6. DDD does wonders for her and her BE% sharing is still quite good even without MotP.
Why 109 speed in Ruan Mei?
Yep 2 phase bosses r the ones that makes break harder to 0 cycle bcoz u need to spend time breaking them again
I 1 cycled it too but instead of lingsha i used pela it's a sustainless team but I still can't figure it how to 0 cycle.
im lacking a support for my fua team (current one is feixiao march aven and moze) should i go for sunday or just pick bronya on the selector? i have bronya sign s1 and i plan on getting the herta
I did a one cycle with Rappa tbh but I'm still building her
What if BE rope instead of ER rope on Rappa? Dmg issue could be mitigated but I'm not sure if the energy part is still doable
Worth the damage loss for 0-cycling because not being able to use EBA in a single turn can be seen as wasting all the advance forwards you used to get that 1 extra action.
What would be the difference if d3 was on rm.and past self in mirror was on hmc and the rng fills ruan mei ultimates?
@@iliketrainz4030 Then I get useless SPs. While Ruan Mei has to eat all the energy gains just to proc DDD twice since it's required for the speed tuning. Nothing left for Rappa and Lingsha.
just saw a 3 cost e0s1 rappa + pela + hmc + e0 ruan mei 0 cycle :O
Yea I already know about it since Ruri and Xolze told me about removing Lingsha for Pela. I still stand by the fact that I hate relying on the TV RNG and that clear needs to pass super heavy RNG.
Is Rappa even built for 0cycling? (in MOC)
Everyone says Moc11 is harder due to Aventurine but i have boothill to deal with him. For me the Bugs are the problem because i don't have Quantum DPS and i can't use Jingliu since her support (bronya ruanmei) are used by boothill
Jingliu? Xueyi?
@LisaraScarlet as I said above Jingliu's teammates are used by boothill, and I don't use xueyi she still LV 40. I still get full star just saying.
@@anwarshadaad1553just brute force it xd
If you have Acheron, she's very good at killing the summons without worrying about it. I used SW, Pela and Aventurine so she was always on-element too
well maybe today there are some 0cycle upload and maybe lots next week
i see one true 0 cycle today, pretty impresive to beat that bricked boss hp
Once Fugue comes are you thinking of going fully sustainless or replacing RM/HMC for your 0-cycle attempts with Rappa?
Probably replace either RM or HTB.
@@LisaraScarletany reason for this? Seems like sustainless is the way to go, at least as far as 0 cycles go. But I know you do like to do more f2p friendly 0 cycles.
@@OldSchoolMinded Lingsha just do so much for Rappa in this team.
@@OldSchoolMindedlingsha or even gallagher in superbreak team doesnt really 'heal' u. They just there to do more break dmg
Take into account that Fugue are coming, do you think rappa is able to 0 cycle the svarog boss? Or will she get stuck because of the gatekeeper in phase 1?
No idea and I don't plan to test it because there's just no reason for Rappa to go to the 1st half when there's the 2nd half.
Could you elaborate on what the "absurd rng" for acheron 0 cycle is, cuz as far as im aware only extremely low cost acheron require lots of rng while e0s1 acheron with proper limited lcs can achieve the clear with only 1 rng being robin refill
Ive seen e0s1 acheron clearing already, 1 ult each phase with 01 robin and 00 jiao and pela (its a facebook link tho)
I only heard it from other CCs. I also watched Xolze's 2-cost clear.
@@LisaraScarlet i suggest you trying it out, considering that u dont often do extreme low cost clears i think u can easily achieve the clear with more 5* lcs. the rng is most likely exaggerated due to wave 1's absurd incoming damage but that can be avoided by breaking all the dot enemies early, and wave 2 the enemies cant even attack ur chars at all if u play correctly, which i know u can
@@shira3353 I'll try once I have extra time. I'm not exactly an Acheron fan so I'm lazy when it comes to her.
Voice like a queen lingsha
Just a question regarding rappa, do you think ERR rope of BE rope is better. Of course not considering 0 cycles. I have rappa at E0 S1
BE rope is better, err makes you lose out on too much damage
In most cases, BE rope is better. ER rope is rarely better but there are definitely times it is better to use.
Bit unrelated, but do you think vonawaq on rappa could be a viable planar for people who don't have sig to get rappa's ultimate faster in the first wave?
@@sambennett1731 Too much damage loss.
Have you tried DDD + eagle spam with this team?
No but it won't have enough damage.
Idk if 2 cost acheron can 0 cycle with yukong (xolze telos video) then I would guess you could use a higher cost acheron team and not have to min max tv energy.
Trust me, it is not the investment or whatever that makes Acheron clears easier or not. It is the massive amount of RNG to get the clear.
impressive clear as always^^ do you think himeko could be a good replacement in the team? she could benefit from the energy + atk (i was struggling with my life using my superbreak himeko + gallagher tho)
Himeko is decent but you'll struggle with the TVs not having Fire weakness.
Dunno about the exact team used in the vid, but Himeko should be able to kill it.
I cleared this boss in 6 cycles using e2s0 Mei/e1s0 Ave with Geppie lc/e0s0 Himeko/e6s0 HMC. I used Ave because I couldn't survive with e4 Gal(skill issue on my part ig) +I unfortunately didn't get Lingsha.
Himeko was on Iron Cavarly and Kalpagni having a mix of Crits and BE(on BE rope. Outside battle she had like 60/70 crit ratio if I remember correctly, around 120 BE and 148 spd), using s1 Charmony. HMC was on Watchmaker 145spd and s3 MotP. Mei had that 3* providing energy and 4p Messenger 144/145 spd.
I tried making sure HMC and Ave were taking care of non fire weak enemies while Himeko dealt with the rest.
Not that impressive ig, but I cleared it just fine. Probably I could do a bit better if I put my s3 DDD on HMC, but I don't feel like doing it again. Got all the stars without having the newest 5* dps' and I'm happy with it.
Oh wow I'm pretty early this time
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There a 3 cost rappa 0 cycle but took a lot RNG. I think it'll do able with higher cost?
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Oh Fugue
Brickka
from what i watched yeah stats and not having fugue to replace ruan mid really take some damage for 0 cycle
Ruan Mid💀
@@LisaraScarlet u rather have fugue e1 or ruan mid and fugue. considering that hmc is peak fugue e1 sounds perfect. throwing hmc in the bench for a worse performance when u can maximize ur performance🙂.
You are comparing E2S1 acheron to E0S1 Rappa, I never heard a E0 Acheron gets a 0 cycle clear. sorry and let me say this E0 Rappa beats out Acheron by a MIle.
While Rappa isn't META, but close enough to META, and even against not imaginary enemies her S1 puts on still in the good to very good stuff, while E0S1 Acheron simply is worthless.
Xolze has an E0S0 Acheron clear although yea, absurd RNG requirements.
e0s1 acheron can definitely get a 0 cycle on this boss, atleast mine did.
Misinformation E0S0 Acheron already 0 cycle this boss and E0S1 Acheron is definitely still top tier. Acheron during Rappa shill phase still gets better results than Rappa herself. I won't blame Rappa though its a problem with break teams always needing to break the enemy before dealing dmg which can waste a lot of turns in a 2 phase boss.
@@kennethyoung7457dont make it sound like acheron bruteforces the boss lol. shared hp with 5 enemies also shills her and all of them also have lightning weakness what a coincidence