What the Culture of Masculinity is Doing to Men
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2019
- Culture of Masculinity: Research shows unhealthy concepts of masculinity may be contributing to higher rates of suicide, depression, health disorders and violence in male populations. As his band tours the US, Idles frontman John Talbot tells his story of pain, loss and male vulnerability.
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My son was stillborn then a few years later my wife was diagnosed with cancer. The only way i was ever taught to deal with greif was by ignoring it and pretending that it didnt bother me but that only made my family think i was cruel and emotionless. Losing a child is the deepest hurt I've ever felt and at the time I couldn't imagine that the feeling would ever go away but after time it did and I realize that the longer you keep it to yourself the longer the pain lasts.
Harald Ofstad wrote a book 30 years ago. "Our Contempt For Weakness: Nazi Norms and Values - and Our Own". He builds a very strong case that contempt for weakness is the core of fascism - especially when fascism suggests the weak deserve to be demeaned at best and exterminated at worst. Nazis did just that against people they perceived as defective and weak (Aktion T4's extrermination against the "genetically weak" is just the logical conclusion of contempt for weakness - plus anyone else they considered weak).
I thought the lecture to the football team was most fascinating, and I wish they had interviews with the team afterwards.
Football is a game of inflicting and receiving pain, and quickly recovering from or ignoring the excruciating pain to make the next play.
I cannot imagine how helpful this lecture would be about expressing your feelings about pain.
It would be interesting to see this type of lecture to combat veterans and see their reaction.
And the comment section contains more examples of toxic masculinity than the documentary.
Why do I have a feeling RUclips would disable the comment section if this video gets enough views...
because the majority of the viewers are disliking it and pointing out that its crap?
no solution is needed. this is not a problem. the mental instability of some of the supporters is likely a much larger issue. larger for some than others though. i live in a stand your ground state
This piece is originally from PBS Newshour, which has all of its comments sections permanently disabled.
@The Cost the news never says over 7 billion people didnt kill themselves this week. many of those 7 billion have dealt with the same issues as the 3 you mention. they are broke. they dont kill themselves. whats the difference. some want to play a victim so bad that they do whatever it takes. the real root of the issue probably goes back to mommy picking them up everytime they cried as a baby.
@The Cost you just compared thieves to the emotions of gay people.. i have a few friends that do their own thing. i mess with them a bit. they mess with me a bit. its not a big deal because we're not spoiled brats
that (very supportive) fist bump at 6:25 was very cool
Be your art, no matter what anyone says.
LONG LIVE THE OPEN MINDED
Long live the brainwashed!
Long live danny nedelko
Saw Idles and instantly clicked, love them.
My issue is I think men get sex shoved in their faces too much. I once had my dude drive me somewhere beautiful in nature to tell me I'm not the most beautiful girl in the world so it's his right to check out other girls. I never felt ugly before that though that wasn't his purpose. Men, my point is you always look and we know this but don't make your own women feel less than. And DONT take them on dates by lakes to tell them you're not attracted to them. #notcool
Joe Talbot is someone I wish I could have a beer with.
Idles proves the age-old adage: dudes rock
I was gonna slag em off but sounds like hes had a shite time of it and made some great music ,not overly keen aspects of the idles but overall a great band
Love it
What is the culture of femininity doing to women? Just asking questions
Colin Thomson you say that as if there is not a massive amount of content on the topic? This isn’t one of those videos, but that doesn’t mean they dont exist nor that this video has an obligation to address it. Should RUclips be required to show an equal rate of those videos in suggestions? What’s the solution to the “just a question” your asking?!
@@CookeAaronJ - I am not calling for the video to be banned. It can stay. What can I say? I like to comment. I wondered if somebody would call me a misogynist.
For the last 50 years women have been defining themselves. Before that the culture of ‘femininity’ was mostly beneficial to men.
Male passivity is far more of a problem than Male masculinity.
Still, such people need healing, security, and a listening ear - not contempt and scorn. That's why there's so much toxicity in the first place.
Let's talk about toxic femininity.
Disparaging anyone who fails to measure up to society's idealized expectations and archetypes of "Manly men" and "Feminine women" is unjustified.
Society's ideal expectations? I think what you mean is the woke mobs expectations.
My very first AA meeting this former Hells Angel was there at like 6` 7 or better and he shared aboot how "MACHO SUCKS" the life oiy of man and family.......Was the share i needed havin been a prospective one percenter....boy what a HATER we was.
Although I disagree with this documentary, I love journeyman pictures and respect the concept of having different perspectives. Regardless of whether I personally agree with them. I sort of wish I worded my other comment differently......I feel like I brought some negative energy the way I said it
Expressing your feelings don't make you gay, or feminine. If you disagree, then I can only pity you.
I feel Islam is right about women.
I think a man should just be allowed to be themselves. The term toxic masculinity and society dumping on men doesn’t help. Notice society doesn’t lecture women on being feminine and accountable. Women can be everything even manipulative and bat-shit crazy with no shaming.
Yep, I agree. Men should be allowed to find their own path. They definitely can do without social pressure to be a so-called Man's Man -- as if physical force, forceful personality, backbone, and thick skin as the main yardsticks to measure a person's worth. That kind of attitude dovetails better with hyper-militarized dictatorships in banana republics than it does in an actual democracy/representative republic like the USA and most economically advanced nations.
The video, and the term "toxic masculinity" are not saying that being masculine is inherently toxic or that being masculine is bad. It's saying that there are times when people think that they need to act "masculine," and to those people that means being stoic and not showing any emotion. You can still be masculine and not "toxic." The "toxic" aspect refers to the suppressing emotions as well as the societal pressure to act a certain way.
@@thelonestarpelican9343 just as woman are allowed to be as feminine or unfeminine as they want. Men can be as manly or as unmanly as they want. A man is allowed to have a built up body and stoic personality. That’s totally fine if that’s how they feel comfortable.
Men should be masculine. I can’t tell you how many years of depression and anxiety I endured whilst adopting feminine ways of processing emotions. If you actually become emotionally resilient, it strengthens you as a person. That is a masculine characteristic. The reason why corporations, the media and women want men to be less masculine is because it makes you easier to be dominated and have other’s wills imposed on you. It’s hilarious and somewhat tragic seeing a frontman of a punk band, clearly mentally and physically Ill just by examining his physiognomy, trying to tell other men to be less masculine. Total cringe.
@@apothecurio That's not at all what's being discussed here. Try throwing gender out altogether. Toxic, abusive behavior is what's being discussed. No, it shouldn't just be allowed. Pay attention and maybe you can learn why.
Bugmen
Mantap bang
I cant watch this: this is another Gillette moment.
Grumbleback nice shaming technique.
We want men to express their feelings, but then try to shame them when they do express their feelings unless they are the same as yours.
Your comments are the toxicity the film is trying to address and you don’t even know it.
wow sooo grt.. sharing. and. more success
dear god, this doctrine has spread to journeyman pictures.
Its been for a long time, its ABC rubbish mixed with SBS hard left rubbish.
Unsubbing
thank god, this doctrine has spread to journeyman pictures
@@desertportal353 You don't believe in God, Journeyman shill...
@@gustavotrovao8590 definitely
This comment section validating the documentary 😂
pull your socks up ffs 😏
Reminds me of old The Smiths concert video. Where's the stage rushing?
Also. So many men here moaning about how this emasculates them.
real men don't moan. we find it funny how some would opt for an alternative lifestyle just to be accepted.
@@pusanghalaw
Then the complainers here aren't real men? One doesn't need to be gay to embrace emotions.
nobody wanted to be groped by morrissey, hence the absence of stage rushing.
Some of the previous documentaries on this Channel were outstanding. Examples being the eye-opening pieces you did on Africa- I. e the Rwandan genocide,the Liberian civil war... I'm so disappointed this channel is taking the: "Toxic Masculinity" route now. Awful piece. Au revoir guys
these comments are disgusting and my day is ruined for having read them
The balance of the Divine Masculine and Feminine is an internal process for men and women.Cultural rhetoric is a global issue created by paternal/fraternal organizations.
*GET WOKE GO BROKE LIKE GILLETTE!*
I buy all my stuff from Gilette now, as a congratulations for finally getting woke.
@Thelonestar Pelican **TROLL DETECTED**
*Now, do a piece on the prevalence of Toxic Feminism/Femininity Culture.*
Unsubbed
Wet n that
Gimme a break. This ridiculous quasy feminist narrative is so destructive
The fact that you think that is 10x as destructive. I see no feminist propaganda no lgbt propaganda but men acting like its an attack on masculinity. Toxic mindsets female or male are destructive.
and the spread of AIDS.
Nobody:
Journeyman Pictures: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE (autistic feminist screeching)
I didn't click on this to hear about some shitty band. I'm out.
they just had the number one album in the UK lol
Single motherhood is the issue leading to more violent men, masculinity and fatherhood are part of the solution.
N W So fathers not being in the child’s life isn’t a factor??
@@loverofallthingsblack4697 I'm not trying to blame women, it takes two to tango. I meant to harp on the importance of both parents being involved in raising a kid, preferably married together.
This channel was good, was ...
40 year old research and music with a message that is dated by about 40 years is not reflective of a society in the information age. Things happen much faster now. All this would be applicable in the late 70's and 80's, but today, men ARE the reflection of this sentiment. Like most things "progressive" this is late to the party. What do you want to do with high/low testosterone data similar across species? The pendulum has swung too far again. If you think this is applicable to anything, you probably believe in the gender wage gap. Do better.
The title of this video disturbs me in so many ways. So we are to view masculinity as something negative now? The only thing that gives me comfort and some hope for the future is the number of people who clicked "I dislike this".
Nah, some people just confuse "normal" masculinity with something barely this side of a conduct disorder. That or else they think being weak is more shameful than being a low-to-mid-level criminal. Either way, it reflects badly on those who disdain the weak.
Nah the point is that not all men want to be masculine in the way its shows..or masculine at all, it harms those men in particular. Is a dude I don't give a shit about masculinity that much so when other project their opinion on me not doing something masculine enough.. lile "your a man, stay on the outside of the road so the women doesent get hit" I'm thinking..."bitch I'm a human being , cut the shit'
I disagree and just Disliking this “ Journalism “
Keep it down with some brown - Frank Reynolds
I like masculine male body. I want my man to be able to express his emotions and speak openly about feelings. To be honest there is a lot of such men around me. I don't undsrstand waht is the problem. I’m waiting from man that he will be sad when he feels sadness, that he will be happy in happy moments, that he can be angry or tired. Is situation in Europe or America so differnd from my country that men here have to study how to be a normal person wit usual emotions? I don't understand.
I agree, as an American man, I do agree.
Masculinity is a means of provision, protection and safety of ones family
You can do all those things better if you’re not emotionally damaged and behaving like an a hole
If you want men to change then you need to change women to be attracted to and accept “kind, sensitive” men and nice guys. Otherwise men who adopt what Journeyman seems to purpose are at a distinct disadvantage in the dating marker. Being a “nice guy” in touch with his feelings almost never works.
The woman you are referring too are very insecure with daddy issues.
Just be who you are. Stop thinking that sex and women are a validation to your identity and life!
@@Luvie1980 Men who think like that see their gene line disappear.
My whole life I have seen men cry. My brother, father, grandfather, uncles. At funerals or when they have had too much to drink. Rare but it happened. I never saw anyone shun them. Not a male or female relative.
That said I saw female relatives and girlfriends cry a thousand times more. Over arguments, stress, friends, boss, movies... and at funerals or when they had too much to drink.
A man will be shunned if he cries as though he were a girl but nobody is going to bully or curse a dying soldier with his guts hanging out as he cries for his mammy.
I have no problem with men cry. Nothing's wrong. I noticed that when men cried they didn't cry over little things. Just my 2 cents.
those who think stoicism is harmful don't fully understand what stoicism is
Mindfulness? Give me a break!
Lol what a comment. We men live in hell….
HUGE facepalm.
let's make its dislike more then like
it has more dislikes than likes right now lmao
Swornim Kc just so you know, that increase ms visibility in the video. The algorithm favors disagreement far more than complete one-sidedness.
Let's learn proper English
@@TheManCalledDrHorse let's know there are more then 3000 language
Boring band even..hope this band Will be flot
Almost 1 million Spotify listeners now 😂
The very qualities that built civilization are harmfull?!
Yes, and now we have evolved past survival mode into cancerous tumour mode
civilization is nearing collapse because men aren't men anymore.
No, but you need to find a healthy way to ventilate. But nowadays they make you think that masculinity is a bad thing.
@@pusanghalaw
Drama queen
Read a goddamn book. Early cultures were often matriarchal. The Romans, Greeks/Spartans, Vikings, Samurai, were gay as hell. If you count societies that don't give a fuck about gender roles, the split is about 50/50... which kinda makes sense when you think about it. I was born in the 80's. My early male role models were action movie stars. That shit wasn't healthy. Society is only falling apart because people would rather turn on each other than work together to solve problems.
Goddammit... Please FIRE Whoever thought this documentary was a good idea. For the good of humanity!
*_ET TU, BRUTE?!_*
Jordan Peterson published a scathing crtitique of the appallingly bigoted notions asserted in this video, and the fact that Journeyman Pictures published this video shows a complete lack of ethics.
For example, because it pertains to the singer in this video and helps explain the violence in his music, here is an excerpt from Peterson's critique - which is based on science, not feminist ideology:
"Consider this (it’s of primary importance): If it is fatherless boys who are violent, how can it be that masculine socialization produces harm both to mental health and society? The data should indicate precisely the opposite: that boys who are only raised by women are much less violent than boys who have men in their lives and, similarly, that boys who do have fathers are more violent than those who do not.
This is not the case. Period.
The APA document writers - who were also, by the way, very likely to disproportionately cite their own research - are inexcusably unaware of the basic biological facts as well as either ignorant or willfully blind to the data pertaining to the absence of fathers and, therefore, to the lack of a guiding masculine hand."
Journeyman Pictures needs to publish an apology to men and boys who are being abused and gaslit by therapists because of those guidelines. Research has shown an 80% rise in suicide rates among the very group who in America who are most open to getting therapy since they were introduced - white, middle-aged, divorsed men. The effects are nothing short of murderous.
Read Peterson's critique here: www.jordanbpeterson.com/political-correctness/comment-on-the-apa-guidelines-for-the-treatment-of-boys-and-men/
nothing more depressing than suppressing ones own masculinity, that's why they kill themselves. too much sodomy causes metal illness - apart from all the other STD risks.
Jordan Petersen is a hack who fled academia so he could start collecting Infowars money and listening to his opinions as opposed to 40 years of reaearch from the fucking organization that literally *is* the field of paychology is about as smart as letting Dr. Phil perform open heart surgery on you because, y'know, doctor.
When people quote Jordan Peterson without an ounce of irony 🤭
jordan peterson can't help being closeted. alex jones and joe rogan know exactly what his butthole looks like, and vice versa. it's a regular ménage à trois for those three.
do we really want a world where males are all like milo yanapolus or jussee smollet? the message is actually dubious because the growth in global homosexuality has grown exponentially over the last two decades.
Aww boohoo
Yeah because people are actually being honest with themselves and not pretending to be straight.
This isn't promoting homosexuality or being like the two you mentioned. If you can't see that I pity you.
@@eduardov.2324 you wouldn't know honesty if it smacked you in the face...
Well when the feminine energy has been suppressed and oppressed for so long what do you expect.
Unsubscribed !
So much fragile masculinity in the comments.
and u re on the peak of all of them. well done!
@@Etaoinshrdlu69
Because its an attack on their platonic livelihoods.
And well.. it is.
@@Etaoinshrdlu69 We're terrified lesser men will destroy everything we worked so hard build. It only takes a generation for it to all come tumbling down. Fortunately the weak men of the west will be crushed underfoot by tyrants and strong men will once again emerge to fight for the freedoms you so casually surrendered.
@@Etaoinshrdlu69 Relative to you perhaps.
@@Etaoinshrdlu69 Not just a low sense of self worth but dumb to boot..
It’s not that there are unhealthy concepts of masculinity it’s that their normal masculine feelings are not allowed. Also most studies show that men don’t talk in order to feel better but rather in order to solve their problems, most men don’t actually respond that well to talking therapies. Having said that there will always be outliers like this singer. Or it could be that he’s been too influenced by femininity. The apa guidelines on the mental health of boys that he refers to in this film has largely been discredited. The reasons that the higher rates of mental ill Heath in boys and men is not because they don’t talk but more because they are expected to approach the world in a feminised way not a masculine way. Conversely women can also be expected to act in more masculine ways by sleeping around and being “strong independent women” and what’s happening is that it turns out in the long run women who live this way are experiencing high levels of dissatisfaction and depression.
This film hasn’t done its research properly, I suspect that it’s been made to pander to the modern feminised man to reassure them.
(Citation needed)
@@woodenspoon5513 good one,
Please!....Don't let Bill Burr see this.
my god. MMPC fans...plz tweet it to him 😁😉
masculinty puts food on the table. it gets the job done. masculinity is not the problem. its the unecessary front 'men' put up.
Journeyman pictures have become SJW? Unsubscribe!!!
Oh this is going to be good....
good? like a bar mitzvah?
Lost me as soon as he said his music is about "starting a conversation". That's bullshit contemporary art speak. Art is it's own reward and doesn't need to start a discussion in linguistics. Then it started to go on about what's wrong with masculinity. Well, I rather think we need to go the other way and be stronger and more independent, in which case we need to bring back traits associated with masculinity.
*A Man is taught to control his emotions, not suppressed them, men don't suppress their feelings, they control it*
*As a Man, I accept that which I cannot change and I change that which I cannot accept*
@Dawson Davis but the people who are promoting this video do?
The most british thing about that band is the gap in his front teeth.....
Lot of BS in my masculine opinion.
Men’s issues aren’t “in” right now. Nice to see more men’s issues getting attention in an increasing feminist world
It's attractive to be sensitive, emotionally express yourself, or cry as a man. Masculinity is both backbone/strength and unapologetic expression. It's only when you wallow and fail to show your strength to bounce back that is unattractive.
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Hate their music; love the message.