Viral: The Origin of Covid 19 | Matt Ridley | EP 310
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
- Dr Jordan B Peterson and Matt Ridley go in depth to explore the Covid 19 outbreak, scrutinizing the lack of criticism, the inherent red flags widely accepted as benign, the possible motive for a multi-government cover up, and ultimately the demise of the scientific enlightenment as it bends to a more fearsome pandemic: totalitarianism.
Matt Ridley is a British writer, journalist, and public speaker. His books collectively have sold over a million copies, and have been translated into 31 languages. His books include The Red Queen, The Origins of Virtue, Genome, Nature via Nurture, Francis Crick, The Rational Optimist, The Evolution of Everything, and How Innovation Works. He is also frequently published in the Wall Street Journal, and in the Times (London), as a columnist. As a speaker, Ridley has seen over two million views for his TED talk, “When Ideas Have Sex.” Ridley focuses on the area of science for his writings, and held the role of science editor at the Economist for nine years.
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- Chapters -
(0:00) Coming up
(1:31) Intro
(4:25) The origin of the Covid 19 outbreak
(7:39) Adapted for humans
(11:42) Immediate effectiveness
(13:50) Inserted genetic information
(16:29) Early concerns of engineering, the pangolin problem
(20:00) Reputation management, potential cover up
(25:00) The smoking gun, Project Defuse
(28:24) The impossibility of ethical science in a totalitarian country
(33:50) When presumptions don’t add up
(37:00) Framing the pandemic as political, a distraction
(45:16) 80,000 animals tested in Wuhan, 0 infected
(50:30) The lack of criticism for the Chinese government
(53:53) Potential darkness, spreading totalitarianism
(57:03) China envy, recalling the USSR
(1:01:23) Other possible motives
(1:05:24) The sad evolution of scientific inquiry
(1:09:30) The demise of the enlightenment
(1:17:15) The antagonism between religion and science
(1:22:07) Truth over consequence
(1:28:01) The conflation of religion as a faith and as an institution
(1:36:00) The spirit of inquiry
(1:38:37) Dawkins; not seeking the answer, following the questions
(1:43:20) The truth will set you free
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When an airplane crashes or a bridge collapses, there is a 2 year investigation to determine what lead to the catastrophe. The fact that there is not a full out investigation into something that killed 20 million people is beyond unacceptable and is only criminal.
No investigation because they did it themselves.
It tells us the shittery was a scamdemic. It was a worldwide psyop to condition us for something far worse to come. No one believes it came from bats no less an accidental leak from a biowarfare lab in China(funded by Sea Eye a). It was no accident or bat soup concoction.
It maybe made in China, but it would appear Eco Health Aliance was funded by the US.
Who wants to hang themselves, there is no motivation for bringing this to light, the NIH in the US are still sending money to fund this.
Reply’s are being erased. RUclips is part of the problem
Doesn't matter it was all old fat people. 10x the death rate in the most obese countries. Not all people are worth the same thing, if you are a fat retarded subhuman obviously there are consequences.
The last three years did not teach us much about how viruses work and spread.
They did however teach us a lot about how governments work, and how tyranny and authoritarianism spreads.
Bang on! The leftist media, big tech, government, like scorpions, hopelessly revealed their true nature. Leftist truths over objective facts. Control and conformity over individual liberty.
100%
Really goes to show how Adolph was able to manage so well back in the day, doesn’t it? It’s like there’s a large group of people that have “I want to be controlled by an authoritarian to punish my enemies” in common
Same thing
@@uptrade8507 unlike the Spanish Flu, which was largely left uninterfered with, covid is still going because governments and authorities just keep messing with it.
I am so proud of Jordan Peterson, who was denied to be a professor, so he used that "set-back" and made himself available to lots of us, instead of being limited to a few students in one college. God bless him and people of his kind!! Love and respect you Mr. Peterson. I wish we could do more to support you.
I echo your opinion and truthful observation!
If case CIA secrets included the investigation leads to a dead end as well.
He retired from his tenured position at Univ of Toronto. Please don’t evoke God and lie in the same breath.
It's exactly because of his persecution that he has spread to the world.!
@@travisdopler289 he wasn’t fired. He retired. There’s no need to exaggerate (or lie). It generally backfires.
We need more people like Jordan Peterson in our lives. His knowledge is feeding the truth to us on a daily basis.
I appreciate JP also but it is his guests that add to the knowledge. ❤
Be one
@n.c.1201 he's a conduit for truth and he's putting up a good fight against the nwo owo that want to control us all
I don't believe Jordan Peterson gives us knowledge, God does, via people like JP willing to partner with Him and have the courage to push against the cult norm. We learn by asking questions and seeking truth. I appreciate his role greatly in bringing forth the courage to do what he does, but I am aware that God gives these gifts.
Nice to see that we’re allowed to have this conversation now. Watching videos being taken down about this was maddening.
Yes so RUclips is allowing discussion of this NOW?,FINALLY? ATLAST? Now now blissfully the WHO notice at the top of videos on this topic are GONE..." For the most updated recent "Story" on COVID Check here what the WHO has to say"...at least THIS time!
Yes because now they are going to make you believe another bullshit narrative. And you're going to swallow it whole because it comes from 'your side'.
It doesn't surprise me, they have things the way they've wanted them now so we can bitch away. One party country, elections under control, all agency's right with them so no one to investigate them. All's good people, nothing to see here, move on.
amen
Is that just because of how large the audience is though, that there would be outrage at this being removed, it would then seem like someone had something to hide. Whereas if it was a small channel uploading the same information, I can still see it being taken down.
There are moments when that little itch in the back of your mind tells you that what you're being told doesn't make sense, doesn't add up. All the while there are people vehemently denying any possibility that your suspicions are correct. Unfortunately they are also backed by big money. It's so difficult to find answers to questions against such forces. Thank you for having the courage and fortitude to find them for us.
Did you get the same itch when they said Russia blew up its own pipeline?
Everyone is out to get you - disconnect all your social media accounts now and run
Trust yourself, m mm. Trust your truth detector.
kina virus released to fk up the elections...millions dead, billion+ with heart issues...evil know no bounds...Godless people will always create hell !!!
I have had that itch for a very long time. Now I’m totally convinced our reality is mostly or entirely fabricated from history books to mainstream media narratives about the civil conflicts taking place all over the world.
I’m a non native English speaker, and I love this show so much, people are articulated
Articulate
@anhtai988, I quite agree, it’s an intriguing conversation.
What a respectful and informative dialog between these two... the world needs more and more of this 👏🏻
Very good except the ‘post-modernism’ discussion. This has no bearing upon science, or discussions regarding the true origin of Covid-19. The same with politics and money, no relation to science or truth.
America 1961
you know you need me in your life, man
@@faysaleladdouti8394 your comment doesn't make sense.
The idea of the virus in a Chinese animal market...😕🐉🐲huh!, from the beginning was not to swallow it for many biologists or doctors 🇪🇺 (friends or myself bio). 😬 It has also been seen that covid was hybridized with HIV😐 and everything about its horrible behavior fits into that. The treatment from the WHO was ridiculous.🙄🤢
I'm 68 and find it harder and harder to find honest, intelligent, educated people to learn from. I just assumed they would be everywhere but are getting harder to find. Thank you!! I also admire Dr. John Campbell, he is honest and not political (from UK)
I am in my high eighties and I once knew honest and intelligent people, but, now my heroes seem to be all dead.
Have you heard of Lex Fridman? He interviews some of the smartest and interesting people on the planet. He is truly a humble and unique human, and the world could benefit from a few more like him.
Agreed. Bret Weinstein is also interesting. Joe Rogan, though he is not an intelectual does have some interesting people on his show and asks some good questions. Mainly critical thought has been subjugated as reading has been replaced by fast scrolling videos. I am 50 so I am in the last generation that can remember life without cellphones
I too find Campbell a true scientist. Follows the literature, faithful to science to a point but equally critical but most importantly accepting when he was wrong. His slow drip away from manipulation has been perhaps too slow... but give an honest man time, he is sorting it out. And bully for him to do so!
@@vuchaser99 I do so agree. I watched him just prior to this. He admits when he's wrong and he's about the truth.
Jordan Peterson truly is a treasure.
He really believes in finding the truth, no matter the cost.
God Bless this man.
Absolutely 💯 percent correct.
Yes. I would be pressed to find an example of someone who is willing to put nothing above the truth like JBP. This man is priceless.
One of the best intellectuals of our time! Love him!👍
@@tylerrothmeyer9062 Agree
Unless it requires criticism of gods chosen tribe.
Six months overdue, but this was such a great verbal, intellectual, insightful discourse that ticks off many of the views that have sat in the core recess of my mind and now feeling rather liberated to some extent.. quite refreshing and super glad to have found this video. You are a treasure to us Mister Peterson. Thank you for sharing the light and Godspeed. 😎🤙
Years overdue
Amen
I'm so greatful to this conversation! Truth over "Polítical Correctness" should be an ethical path for the building of human knowledge, over all cience...Thank You both!
Ultra Top God Level
Did you just say “truth” above science? Lol
You can spell science without an s and it’s the same word
follow the money of the politicos. it will go directly to the truth and who holds all the cards....
Dr Montagnier in France said from the beginning that the virus was not of natural origins and when he died, he wasn't paid a single homage by the state. He was utterly ostracized and forgotten for his denial of the BS the state had been telling people. He was a nobel prize winner and a great man. It pains me to this day to see how they treated him.
let the record show that he also stated in an interview that aids may just be a"harmless passeger virus"
YES‼️Dr. Li-Meng Yan who worked in the Wuhan lab was another. I mentioned this is a side thread. They should be HONOURED by every nation on earth‼️‼️‼️
@@lp1296 it has been suggested that the AIDS virus shows up in individuals who are severely compromised and is not the cause but more than anything else, is opportunistic of an HIV infection. Please see and find interview from Kary Mullis and his talk about HIV and AIDS. More shenanigan's afoot here as well. Please dont discount Dr Montagnier, who knows this stuff inside and out, (viruses etc) without really doing very deep dive.
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@@lp1296you were supposed to read between the lines…..harmless til it isn’t
Never underestimate the darkness in some people and their disdain for humanity
Indeed.
Exactly
Which people are those?
Its the very same darkness we all are capable of.
Spirit of Cain
The fact that these two wonderful men have given us this discussion is s true gift
Agreed..simply fantastic!
Lol they're not
😅
What they have done is try to get you to believe China bad when it’s the west creating bio weapons to use against us all….
When I worked at the Dental Research Center. I was amazed by a book written by Matt Ritley, I consider him a true and honest author, my advice read it and you will learn a lot of truthful and easy-to-understand information, I congratulate Jordan Peterson for this wonderful interview. On a matter of extreme importante.
Which book was it?
Read William Guy Carr "Pawns in the Game," he got inside info about the world control freaks early in life and went on to serve in WW1 ans 2 as a navel officer. Good read and help to understand what's going on
My father was a biochemist. He would constantly say, "Just because we can do something, does not mean that we should."
Hopefully he did not work in DOD or anything near that. God bless your father he was/is a brilliant man.
Must have been a Jurassic Park fan 😅
@@rebeccapenders5050my dad used to say “we’re going to need a bigger boat” he was a plumber.
@@xmlviking Actually, if what can be done were being done, nobody would be around. Some nations that can do some things, often choose not to do them out of restrain and knowledge of the consequences.
a sentiment echoed by Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park.
This video should have a 100 million views. Its insane how much faith people have in the media
Billion views
It's not faith. It's a cultivated apathy. Who wants to talk politics anyways?
Peterson is one of the most promoted and funded personalities on the internet
@@mayanboricua Well said.
Or politicians > NZ PM = " I am the sole source of truth all other media is fake " ???? ... "I have the DATA " ... The data that Pfizer admitted IT didn't have ???
This interview is a masterpiece,,,, respect for both gentlemen!!! The truth has and must prevail!!!!! 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Thank you Dr Jordan Peterson and Mr Matt Ridley for an outstanding discussion. I could have listened to you both for hours. Very informative and educational. Thank you again. Kimberly
Myself as well, I did listen twice
This should be a 15 second podcast. It’s unfortunate that no one is held accountable for one of the worst acts of worldwide terrorism in the 21st century. I hope people who can dig in to this are paying attention.
That pea sea are thing maybe ?
If every church and every 'celibrity' would have used their power to tell people the truth, the media would not have been able to do what they did and still do. It looks to me that too many powerful people and organizations sold their soul to the devil long time ago.
I channel my power to love so intensively that evil can not exist any more within all this love. Even so the majority of humans has been unknowingly programmed, conditioned and brain washed, LOVE IS STILL THE STRONGEST POWER THAT HOLDS US TOGETHER.
Yah. "The bio-weapon got out."
Amazing coincidence that one of the worst acts of worldwide terrorism happened during one of the most unconscious and unaware periods of human awareness. Trusted media . . .
I was hoping for a 5 second bite , my attention level is not that good .
Matt Ridley, shoving your expose into print despite the obstacles was a Nobel-worthy feat of journalism and a service to mankind. In a better world, your service would be written in the stars!
carved into a mountain, maybe.
Love this think-piece on common sense surprised RUclips didn’t strike it.
@@Shredder858 not yet... we should save n share this.
He is the SECOND person to do this: Look for "What really happened in Wuhan" by Sharri Markson. Australia was sanctioned by China in 2020 for calling for an inquiry into the origins of Covid, Those significant economic sanctions remain to this day. Australians, at the highest level, were on to the Lab in mid 2020. China's response was seen as confirmatory here in Oz. Why the USA remained so far behind is a mystery here in Oz.
In early 2020 MR, who I deeply respect, wrote an article dismissing lab leak over natural evolution. That was his contribution at the time when he was needed most.
It fell to others to be courageous in the face of ridicule and digital banning.
I love watching Peterson in a discussion with others. He actually presents a pertinent idea very germane but then immediately without missing a beat presents the original idea PLUS its response.
Gemini is the ultimate master of dual mutability.
Great fun to watch him dance.
This video was such a wonderful conversation. Thank you!
this conversation should have been had 2 years ago. its astonishing how bad the media has become.
I wished I’d known before getting the vaccine.
@@Jess_Tropical_jungle From the very beginning, I felt that the vaccine was pure evil, and have not gotten vaccinated. I had a good friend who threatened to drag me to get the jab. Then, he ended up catching the virus, and decided to take the third booster. Three weeks later he died from blood clots.
@@Jess_Tropical_jungle Rest assured that is something you will never forget nor repeat. Too many red flags in the beginning kept me from getting it.
@@williambenner701 oh my gosh that’s awful! I’m so sorry for your loss. Yes unfortunately we didn’t start seeing those reports until after we had the Pfizer vaccine. I thank God I was more than hesitant to get my children vaccinated, and never did.
Brett Weinstein talked about all of this on his Darkhorse podcast as early as March 2020. All of the "experts" said he was a dangerous conspiracy theorist.
As a bioengineering student, I've been saying Occam's razor on the lab leak since day one.
After NIH started erasing the paper trail proving they funded the research, that was all the proof we needed.
If there wasn't any foul play on the NIH's part, they would have never covered up the paper trail.
Exactly
What is sad is due to the deleted paper trail all who pose this question are seen as crazy or a conspiracy theorist. I really pray that an honest investigation is performed, dammed the consequences. We need to bring the truth to light.
@mongaloose I bet you've been called conspiracy theorist a few times, too.
Yes... many of us lost a few relationships, regardless of the proof given.
All we can say is thank God for JPeterson [in the sense that he's so well known and earned his respect - to almost god-like status] because the masses won't listen to the little guys.
Thank God for these guys.
As an IT Security specialist the initial smoking gun for me was the database going offline. A bit like the Russian Olympic computers having apparently been "rented", and then conveniently returned and destroyed afterwards.
That action alone is the most blatant admission of guilt.
Merci!
Pour mieux diffuser, il faudrait la possibilité d'un sous-titrage en différentes langues possibles.
Pour ma part en français pour une plus large diffusion.
C'est très important de diffuser largement la vérité cachée.
En effet!!! Les révélations faites sur ce dossier sont tellement pertinentes, et méritent d'être entendues par plusieurs audiences.
In Jan 2020, I was having a hard time breathing, at that time I thought it was just a bad asthma attack, (had these before) took my Ventolin as I normally did, but it just didn't do a thing, slowly I got worse and ended up calling an ambulance, I was told I passed out. I woke up in hospital 9 days later in intensive care, with many tubes down my throat, and a machine helping me breath, I was in hospital a full 3 weeks and then 2 weeks at home, my diagnosis at the time was bronchial pneumonia, I believe now it was early covid, most of the doctors said then, they never saw it not respond to the medication they gave me. Eventually it went away, but the cough lasted for months. At that time, I just wanted to die. I lost a friend who I infected or believed I did. We can't as a human race allow gain of function to continue, it angers me that they still practice these bad habits, If another virus escapes, it could be one that can kill everyone on earth.
I worked at Elsevier, home of the Lancet… thus I was very persistent in reading the latest materials surrounding COVID. By the end of April I was able to tell this was a fear campaign like we have never seen before. I tried sharing my findings with coworkers & family… ultimately to be be ostracized.
This episode was like waking up to the smell and sound of crackling bacon🥓
I knew as soon as I heard covid 19. It was bullshit
All of us changed friends,,,, for good
@@philippegillier8089 So true
This was about so much more than the leak .
We live in an Orwellian world today, where evil is good, and good and truth are actively attacked and marked for annihilation.
I shudder for my children and grandchildren’s future…
I was born and raised in China but also spent 10 years living in Australia. I think I have a decent amount of understanding of the so called "Eastern" and "Western" culture and values. The introduction of this video hits me deeply, particularly when Dr. Peterson said the "West" immediately imitated the Chinese government's authoritarian lockdown policy, and that this is perhaps the bigger problem than the totalitarian approach itself. I hope we at least open up to the concept that democracy is not something that is to be taken for granted, and the freedom is actually not free. Often times, a form of right coextists with a responsibility and it needs to be defended,
Why do we have a Democracy?
Because the owners think it benefits them the best.
We need to make sure they keep thinking that way...
So good. At Last people are looking at it. Any possibility shall be carefully examined. Denying any possibility is not right.
Thank you
@@ookiemand You think we have a democracy? Hilariously sad
I loved reading this. Thank you for reminding us of our responsibility
Always a pleasure to follow an intelligent discussion.
Great conversation. I'd prefer the ads to be longer but less frequent - it interrupts the flow of conversation and focus for me. Thanks for your work regardless.
Complain to RUclips not on the creators page
I honestly believe Jordan Peterson is one of only a handful of people that had a direct cause in stopping full control. Imagine if he never spoke out that first time about the law and compelled speech! A real man steps up and does what needs to be done for his family and makes the sacrifices necessary to help them grow in the right direction. I see my husband do it all the time and he is a wonderful man. Jordan Peterson is a great male role model actually practising what he preaches, which is also a very rare trait. We can have such discussion today because he stepped up for us despite what was aimed at him. Jordan Peterson, this is why most of these comments are saying thank you. Not just for what you say now, but for what you’ve said in the past that means we are still able to speak freely and have these dialogues without fear of the law coming down on us. Thank you for being a man of high standing that we can look to, talk to, listen to and grow together. We say thank you for changing the world for the better. Isn’t this what the Nobel
Peace prize is meant for? I’m unsure though I haven’t researched it. Anyone know?
Can you drop the "real man" trope?
Some of us were ABSOLUTELY able to realise what were lies and what were not right from the get go!
Gaslighting has become an art form..and realising who is trying to gaslight is a gut feeling that some of us have!
The Wuhan staff DELETING all the files from the lab within a few days, plus shutting it down for 2 weeks and bringing in a group of hazmat dressed Pulp Fiction type 'Cleaners' was an obvious sign it came from the market and not the lab!🤣🤣
Exactly! Glad I was one who had the instinct.
It’s just a coincidence. It make complete sense if you just don’t think about it.
Oh good grief, settle down little outrage burrito. No one was gaslighting you, no one was lying to you. You just have a very limited understanding of biology, and you're listening to people with equally limited understanding.
Right from the get go, huh? Lucky. People like me didn't know until the data came in months after it started, dishonest people didn't really clamp down on their views until after we all should have known better. I don't think people who are all in their feelings about this stuff should have a say as those feeling go both ways and you all are just as loud and insistent as each other.
I know this is a serious topic, but I love seeing Jordan laugh. ! Always a treat to see Such an adorable smile and giggle come out of a rational serious Scholar
“As a member of the human race I find this quite annoying” here, here. Astounding that the responsible are not charged and if convicted not jailed.
Given the catastrophic costs and unprecedented disruption caused by this virus, the fact that there is no government effort at all to answer these questions should tell you all you need to know.
The catastrophic costs and unprecedented disruption were not caused by the virus. They were caused by the response to the virus.
I wasn't shocked. I was ticked. Covid really woke me up. The bad actors were clearly seen. I learned alot and I'm much more educated now. The only thing that shocked me was half the nation, ( I'm American). And the world covered their eyes and ears and try like crazy to this day. To stay ignorant. Being ignorant of something is ok. Staying that way on purpose is ridiculous. A large group of the human adults decided to act like children and run away from ideas much like children. I've now come to the conclusion that we have a serious problem with people of certain ages being stuck in a younger state of mind.
Unfortunately much of growth comes from being outside of the comfort zone which many people are afraid of
@@TheGreatAustino I just have a hard time comprehending it. It's obvious that somewhere along the way we taught children wrongly. Being uncomfortable is vital to life. This is something you used to teach your children so they grow out of this state.
People in the medical field where for me the worst, they ignored logic and science and make feel bad not taking the jab. Also refused to operate cause I didn't take it...
Half the population of the west organized their life around sports teams...the other half are cowards.
I say 3/4 not half!
Truly wonderful conversation.
I really enjoyed the conversation. Thank you
I love this man, i wish he was our prime minister but sadly, this type of man doesn’t run in politics…
They are NOT that stupid. 😂🤣😅
So we are governmed by lesser men
Politics is designed to filter such men 100%
They wouldn't allow him to progress. If by some fluke he won, the others would seek to corrupt him so the pillaging continues, or, create scandals to discredit and oust him.
I feel like this kind of man isn't ALLOWED to win in politics. Maybe I'm wrong but it feels that way.
3 bleeding years with no experts getting to the bottom of the Thing that has destroyed so many peoples lives that its incomprehensible! Finally someone who has the intellect and gall to do so! Thank you Dr. Peterson
The problem is that "they" already know what has caused this and willfully go along with the narrative to maintain their financial position.
It s so hard to believe that some people Can bé wicked enough to do such horrible things, that most people dismiss thé idea
@@evacarpenter4485 precisely what I was thinking. Science is funded by people with agendas.
are you sure? Look at what happend to the China Eastern crash in early 2022? Has China come back with the findings?
Everyone who touch the subject got burned. Simple. Cancel culture and so on. If you disagree about covid they call you an anti vaxxer.
I'm driving my self nuts about these ads over the top of the conversation
Great discussion, had to listen in a few sittings to really digest it all
I lived in Qingdao during the winter of 2019 to the summer of 2020 (a city south of Beijing, near the coast to Seoul).
At the very start of January, when the lockdown happened (they closed all highways in and out of every city, INCLUDING trucks carrying grocery store supplies), they announced CLEARLY on mainstream national TV that the virus could transmit WITHOUT you showing any symptoms, the importance of washing hands with alcohol, wearing masks, and that even if you DONT feel sick, you shouldnt go outside unless you need to.
I'm talking day 1 of the outbreak, they did this, and openly said this to everyone on national TV.
They knew from day 1 that it could spread asymptematically, and that it was a serious deal, or they wouldnt have reacted this way.
If they DIDNT know what this virus was from day 1, they would NOT have locked down every city, they would NOT have known it could spread asymptematically (which USA only "realized" in April the same year, which is ridiculous, that the entire US government doesnt have a single person capable of translating Chinese news lol).
Which makes the whole thing even more weird, almost as if Fauci and buddies wanted it to spread..
There's simply no rational way that Chinese people on the street knew it could spread asymptematically in January 2020, and USA's president and WHO chairman only realized it in April.
And lets not even start about the way that USA and UK media reported the death statistics as fine printed "Deaths by ANY REASON 90 days post infection", which makes no logical or scientific sense in any possible form of analytics.. Except for inflating the numbers.
No other crisis in human history, have had deaths statistics shown as "Deaths for any reason", it has only specifically listed the people that died directly from said crisis (obviously, because this is how science is done).
So that brings another question, WHY did the medias intentionally (because you dont do this by accident), want to inflate the death statistics?
This has nothing to do with conspiracy theory.
These are open facts you can look up right now.
They DID in fact list deaths as "by any reason", rather than explicitly from covid hospitalization.
Nobody asks why. Why would there be an interest in artificially increasing the statistic even when it flies in the face of the scientific process?
Because if you ask "why", you VERY quickly enter the realm of conspiracy theory.
And this is obvious, because IF they did skew the statistics (which is fact, not opinion, it can be looked up right now), THEN that means it was intentional, because you dont randomly spread the same data set and graphs to 150 news channels around the world without first checking the source, or what values the X and Y of the graph are tied to.
Thus whoever chose the graphs, day by day, week by week, KNEW that the statistics were artificially skewed, and they CHOSE INTENTIONALLY to continue displaying those statistics instead of the objective statistics (because counting a car crash as "death by covid" isnt objective or scientific).
This is why this entire topic gets cancelled even today.
Because you CANNOT ask the big questions, without AUTOMATICALLY ending up in conspiracy land.
Because SOMETHING seriously wrong was going on, intentionally.
And of course, last year USA passed a bill that allows their agencies to classify Misinformation, Malinformation, and Conspiracy theories, as a terrorist act.
Meaning it is automatically impossible to discuss this without, by simple "physics" of logic, ending up in one of those 3 labels.
What a world it has become.
A load of BS you are spewing about the Chinese 'knowing' from Day 1.
I, together with a bunch of colleagues, were in China too at that time.
The moment the medical scientists discovered that this virus transmit human to human, that's when they did the right thing to lockdown that province. That's how they save so many lives at the expense of the economy.
Nuclear threat is no longer what it used to be. What if you could threaten another country with a virus that’s runs rampant?
(Not Covid, I would assume a very specifically designed variant.)
Well articulated! I will add that Fauci, Collins and Daszack should be in jail
Who dares to translate news from C land😂吓尿了 你有卡能走 ，我们走不了
@@bobobo4555 xie xie
I am constantly in admiration of Jordan because of his command of the English language. My mother made me study the dictionary as a child. She wasn't the best mother in a myriad of other ways but her making me study the dictionary has helped me so much. What is man without language? Jordans command might actually save a generation.
My mother insisted on quite a similar diatribe as yours. Thank you for raising the point.
I learned English watching Disney lol
Same as with my mom rest her soul, after years of asking us kids if she looked like a dictionary, she finally just started handing it to us and she would help by starting to spell it.. but made us find it, and would not let us use a word unless we understood every meaning it could have, in any context.
My best example is the word 'gay', which became more popular as a slang slur term about the time us kids learned of it in the late 80s. The dictionary we had was printed in 1982 (for reference)
Being Gay meant happy
A Faggot meant a bundle of sticks
A Fag was a cigarette
And now those words are generally used now as insults against sexual orientation. Which is wrong. No one should have hate for things or people they don't understand.
@@ebonylyster2006 Smart mom! 💕
@@ebonylyster2006 Only an insult if learned as such.
I hope I can't meet Mr.Peterson before I die. This man is truly fighting for us . He one of the last ones that means what he says I believe
You will probably get your hope and dream. 99% sure
Thank you Jordan and Matt for the most informative and valuable of information concerning the Virus's.
I live in China. I know how things work and their attitude of cutting corners. It was very obvious to me what really happened. There was plenty of other information going around at the time that supported a lab leak. That information has since disappeared from the internet.
I just wanted to thank you both for that marvelous conversation. I'm in new student at UC Berkeley and I have to say that I'm finding an infestation of political ideology and every aspect of academic life. I am both a rational scientist and also driven by a deep in abiding faith in the transcendent. Attempting to integrate these two concepts - these two epistemological theories - has been challenging to say the least. I marvel at the common ground that Dr Peterson was able to beautifully articulate. The concluding remarks of this interview were profound and will guide me for years to come. My many thanks.
I send best wishes to you Michael Anthony....hope you make it OUT of UC Berkely with the good sense you were gifted with and not have it wrung out of you by an institution that has lost it's way and is producing graduates that their former friends and their parents will NOT recognize in body, mind and spirit!
I am the same way: Both a rational, well, more "engineer" then "scientist", and a deep faith in God (and specifically Christianity). However, to be perfectly honest, I've never seen the conflict between these 2 thoughts. Mostly because of (and other related verses) Psalm 19:1: "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." God *is* the natural world. To understand the natural world is to understand God; to understand God is to understand the natural world. God gave us reason and logic for a purpose. Because of this, I have never understood the conflict between Religion and Science. Both, when properly practiced, are pursuing Truth... And, in fact, are pursuing the *same* Truth that is God.
May I suggest something else for you: Read some of Isaac Newton's works. I'm being serious. He was driven by exactly this thing: Understanding the natural world to better understand God. That is what lead Newton to all of his discoveries.
@@alexsawicki It is also part of the natural world for such manipulating groups to show up and influence our different institutions. At this time, law, politics, economics aducation food and medicine have been " infected"..
It is this very process that produces histories' " Greats " ,like J.P. ,and motivates individuals like yourself to expand beyond the current group consciousness.
For humans, evolution requires far more than "mere biological". If you contemplate this, we are looking at parallel realities at work, where our individual consciousness is constantly outpacing the psychological mutations.
The world needs to see this!!!
Jordan. Good job good sir. Your viewpoint is always a relief of logic delivered with an air of caring about you caring for logical conclusions of others its very refreshing.
I’m so grateful that we are able to openly discuss the leak theory without it being censored 🙏🏽 The truth cannot be veiled much longer.
I completely agree! 👍🏻💖😇
Thats because the lab leak is just the next cover story, hiding the real truth.
Except for the propaganda link on everything about this topic. And we say we live in a democratic world…
@@Laura-tb7nm if those links are enough to be an excuse to devalue what you just watched, then so be it.
@@jotomato If you made an assumption that I devalue what I watch, so be it.
This is probably one of the best and learned conversations I have ever heard on COVID-19.
I learned so much from Matt Ridley concerning on how much it became a political problem rather
than it being an important scientific issue. Great podcast !!!
Some of us knew this was planned before it happened. Check out David Martin World. It's been great fun being called a covidiot by close-minded relatives.
He is amazingly even-handed, especially with regards to "open" vs "closed" question of the virus origin.
This is exactly the kind of reasoned voice that we need leading this discussion.
Doctor Peterson is trying to be appealing to his somehow religious follower. I would ask him about his own religious feelings.
There's too much beating around the bush. I'm about half way through and so far they haven't said anything I didn't already know.
Better late than never.
I can listen to you talk for hours, always talking the real seen truth ,even in ourselves , ❤
I'm always late
Such a great conversation
I've lost young friends to heart attacks after their shots. My mother battles a leg clot from her booster. It feels like a hell we can't escape
Praying for you brother!
🙏🏽♥️
Had chest pain followed by dizzy spells within a day after my 3rd shot. Lasted a month occurring several times each day. Fortunately it cleared up after a month. Didn’t get any more shots after that.
❤️🙏❤️
Condolences for your loss of friends. Prayers your Mom heals 🙏
Professor Peterson is worth his weight in gold, but only if gold was worth infinitely more. Blessings to you and all those you love Sir, from Belfast.
Do you know what worth your weight in gold meant?
@@mralien4710 The phrase is pretty self explanatory. Do you know what Stephen meant?
You sound like your pledging allegiance to god dude, might be time to take a break from the internet
It's good to be worth your weight in gold in a world where most people are worth thirty pieces of silver.
@@TheGreenKnight500 bravo! Great comment 👍
Completely agree that having discussions to find the true answers is a lost characteristic of humanity.
I really love how you share the credentials of your guests at the beginning. It really helps to validating the perspective of your guests. I love the improved production value! Keep it up!
...the wise employment of ethos.
I was in a Genetics course in spring 2020. In May at the end of the semester I asked for office hours after the final to speak with the professor over Zoom after the switch from in-person to virtual. I had the unique opportunity to ask my professor, a PhD in Genetics, what was the likelihood that this was developed in a laboratory versus originating on a chopping block in a wet market. This was before many of the details came out about the different species that would have combined to originate the virus in successive events. She told me the likelihood of that was unimaginable, that it would take two evolutionary jumps in a singular event. This was before the lab-leak was truly vilified, people still considered it. It doesn't go simply from zoonose (animal to human), and then simultaneously to airborne. It's not that those are mutually exclusive, it's that the probability of that happening at once, is more mathematically irresponsible to claim organically than it being created in a lab. So, we're vilified publicly for thinking the virus was lab produced for a year, when it's more wildly unlikely that this event ever could have happened on a chopping block. I mean that when I say it, it's more mathematically irresponsible to say this "just" occurred in a wet market. I'd like to know how many places in decimal positions to the negative power each event would have in probability so that people could see how silly it was to have ever claimed it came from a wet market. Can't tell you how redeeming it was to see the gain of function funding come to light.
First classified in early 1900. Publicly known 50s. Then this happening. The work was done long time ago. But, who cares right?
I am by no means a educated as you all. I have some very educated and some not so yet majority of my friends never truly believed the wet market story when they released that. Then at some point it became known about the lab in the same location and from there my friends were all saying lab made and lab released. No matter if it was by accident or on purpose. It was even discussed as a test on how far and how fast a killer virus could spread.
Also another way to weed out an over populated world.
Still holding to lab made.
I'm so glad I follow Jordan and his podcasts.
This was by far the most validating one.
My reasoning was slightly different but came to the same conclusion. We're not all mad
We appreciate the scientific analysis & explanation,it is heartwarming to hear a bold & courageous individual clear The veil & have us a glimpse of truth.could you please explore further on the conspiracy theory of this pandemic Is it a fact that Bill Gates formed a Vaccine distribution organization 1 year ahead of this Event..Another marker,the Chinese vice premier stating that the American soldiers carried or was responsible for the spread.For the sake of all those who suffered from this Virus, please continue to enlighten the world so they may seek & receive Justice.
@@Nektaria11000lowkey bill gates is one of the biggest problems in this broken world of ours… he’s horrible…. I saw him speak in person many years ago… and I thought even then that he was a snake oil salesman… but fast forward many moons later… he’s flimflammed the world eh?
How do we know SARS wasn’t ALSO started in a lab?
Thank you for giving us a true snd lifegiving discussion and explanation for that terrible pandemic the world suffered under.
A lot of working folks were happy to lock down at first (fifteen days to flatten the curve) because, in the USA at least, working people are exhausted. Who wouldn't be glad for a "free" vacation for a time, when to take off from work for the longest time has required verification from a doctor, and if you stay off sick too long here, good luck keeping your job. It was when we saw churches close while liquor stores and abortion clinics stayed open that people began really smelling the rats.
And more..
My church never closed…
@@MyMeghan123 the point is many did.
The best thing about the two week lockdown in Victoria, Australia was the first eighteen months! 😡
Lazy socialist
What a fabulous conversation and impressive display of mutual respect! I may never bother with the inanity of TV or radio again. Thanks so much!
We turned the mainstream propaganda off too.
The more I listen this kind of inteiews the more I realized how clairvoyant was Prof. Didier Raoult , France. All was said from the beginning, but they close their ears.
Fabulous! I could listen to these great minds converse and debate in truth and science is music to my ears. Genius! ❤️🤔❤️🤔❤️Restores my hope that humanity is not lost in our World. Love these conversations! (Truth matters more than consequence!) More, More, More!
I sincerely respect Jordan B. Peterson and all which he stands for. Thank you Mr. Peterson for being among those on my list of human beings working as beacons of light in this otherwise rapidly darkening world we live in. Full respect. ❣
**For those of you who have pointed out the spelling error to me, thank you very much, I have corrected that, and 'auto' has been scolded accordingly. In regards to those anxious about my use of Mr. over Dr., I use Mr. in this instance, as to me it speaks to his humanity, rather than the personification of the scholar. Which, I'm going to have to guess, is the reason he himself left out the Dr. designation on this, his very own channel. I hope that clears everything up for everyone, and the trolls alike. 😘
God keep our land glorious and free.
*Peterson
He stands for selling you books that reinforce a narrow world view. It's all about the money.
@@etansivad what the fuck isn't about money? At least he's helping hundreds of thousands of people, what have you done to contribute to society?
@@etansivad Yes, because his message radically changed from his free lectures up for a decade on RUclips compared to the books. Good grief.
Thank you, Dr. Peterson for continuing to speak out on the most horrific crime ever ….
Not really but it makes a top 10 list maybe
...because it personally affected you?
@@NeonCicada because the risk was known before the virus was modified.
Absolutely amazing!
Great interview with David Zweig!!
I am a high-school drop out. I remember watching TVO and being floored by Dr. Peterson's words way back in the days when I probably should have been showing up to class. I am constantly grateful for you and your work that you share so freely sir. I loved this interview and your guest deserves further reading. Maybe one day we will all learn to accept our mistakes carry meaningful messages, not hide from them, and honour them by making less severe ones.
I see them less as mistakes and more as opportunity for profits. All you have to ask is who commissioned this virus, who has the power to manoeuvre something of this magnitude, who has the means to instigate such an event and who stands to profit from it.
Which pharmaceutical companies reaped the most profits, who has stock in them?
If you follow the money you'll find the truth.
Every Single Time.
You may have dropped out of school, but it seems that you have a love of learning.
My rule is: NEVER STOP LEARNING!
@@catherinenelson4162 I agree, I missed a huge amount of my school education for various reasons, and frankly I never learned anything in school that was all that useful that I didn't and couldn't learn at home, and since leaving school I've learned far more than school ever would have even attempted to teach me, I honestly wish I was home schooled and able to focus my attention to important knowledge from a younger age instead of being forced into hours upon hours of useless information the time I was at school. My school was considered one of the best non private schools in my area and the teachers were piss poor and long since checked out at best.
@@catherinenelson4162 Thank you for saying that. Excelsior!
@@MDM1992 I hear you. I look back on my life and see many teachers and schools that I loved and a few teachers/authorities I had great trouble with at the time of learning from them. I now see the horror and beauty of my mistakes and I take full responsibility for where those led me. I have come to see every experience I have had as some kind of lesson even if I was or still am too ignorant to understand it. I, like yourself, had multiple issues with school before it became clear that I likely would never return to formal education. Part of it was being sick, the other was having the epiphany that the track was leading somewhere boring and just as insecure as leaving. I wish you well in your journey.
At this point, the actual conspiracy theory is that covid came out of bat soup. It's amazing that people are still so resistant to accept what was actually going on in these labs.
'is' not 'was'. Sadly.
There are none so blind……
A lot of people should be doing hard time, including Fauci.
Gain of function = evil, evil idiots.
@@stormbringerseven8288 Especially Fauci
Vernon Coleman stated in one of his reviews that they were about to declare or had for a day or two declared C-19 a downgraded, less threatening virus shortly after its emergence. But, abruptly made an about face and started the fear campaign and lockdowns. Back in March of 2020 in the UK.
Why don’t you interview this controversial medical doctor- Vernon Coleman?
I’d watch it hands down.
Thanks Matt, The truth is first most important not the consequences!
I’m sick of researching a situation, coming to the correct conclusion and everyone around me thinking I’m mad or stupid.
It doesn’t take a genius to read, listen and think……
I think you'll find the ones who believe you're mad or stupid spend most of their downtime passively scrolling social media or binging Netflix
@@spaceedementia Witchell Do you mean Intentionally manipulated or "inserted" (Minute 17) by human intervention ?
The funding of the Wuhan research center by certain pharmaceutical giants has been a major talking point since Mr Anthony Fauci, who as we know, was proven to have been the representative and lobbyist of such companys and who paid the Chinese large sums of money in order to research the influences of biological warfare by viruses pimped to fit our immune system.
@@WilliamHelstad it’s very simple. There are world renowned scientific experts. Part of their “day job” is explaining science to us lay members of the public, publishing their scientific findings and commenting on other scientists research/ findings, comments, decisions.
Read, listen and think….
As for the evaluation, again, read, listen and think about what world class scientists are saying to us the lay public.
I made my decision not to get vaccinated because the covid-19 vaccine is an experimental vaccine technology which had not completed its safety tests / findings. Call me crazy, but I wouldn’t fly to another country in an experimental plane either.
I gave up trying to talk to people about it 18 months ago!
Aren't we so incredibly lucky - having access to this type of a discussion on RUclips ... thank you very much ... wonderful & amazing.
LUCKY? REALLY? There should be far more outrage about the censorship of latter years from the tech industry. We are not "lucky" we are STILL being heavily censored.
It is twaddle and misleading and its allowed on you tube for a reason.
I elect Jordan Peterson leader of us dudes!
@@augustinevelajr3915 bot
@@bigbensmith9504 ...if im a bot your little!
This man is a blessing.
The more I watch Jordan the more I realize its not the psychology aspect of him that makes him stand out but his scientific approach of each topic. He is more of a scientist than a doctor. A doctor will see symptoms and give you something appropriately but he analyzes the subject deeper, trying to understand and prevent it. Most his interviews are analysis of given data this guy is always goes to the bottom line and produces result, like Elon Musk but in his respected field well done dude
My husband got the Vax. I did not.
He got covid and past it too me.
My symptoms were very mild.
My husband did not survive.
I'm devastated to say the least. We were supposed to grow old together
I want justice.
I am so sorry 😞. I want justice for you as well.
I’m so so sorry 😢 for what you are going through.
I lost 3 family members to covid...I feel your pain and ANGER...Covid was an act of war released in Wuhan during the military Olympic games to spread it worldwide
We r all looking for justice,!!!
That's tragical. No doubt.
But you still write [passed] like this; not like this: [past].
JP always raising the bar: more nuanced discourse, more rigorous thinking, more detailed analysis, better chosen phrases. I'm glad to see him flourishing in a society that glorifies stupidity and repudiates the critical thinking that got us this far.
The role of interviewer/moderation for topics that are not in his field of expertise (by a number of postcodes!) is a WASTE of his talents. I wish he would stop these wild excursions into popular topics for the sake of publicity instead of sticking to psychology and its direct periphery.
@@poopongmcplop3635 How about the psychology of how 99.99% of the world responded with a mob and sheep like mentality and that the first response of governments were to act and impose totalitarian methods to experiment with what the psychological reaction would be first to lockdowns, then having to have to get the jab to particpate in certain activites like school and appointments, a good reason to homeschool, along with many other reasons
I would replace "thus far" with a few decades ago; I am still looking for a high school and/or college for that matter outside of philosophy perhaps that teaches critical thinking as a mandatory course, that is partly; I would say mostly why we are where we are today and also why so refreshing to listen to JP talk and discuss using rational, critical thought
@@spirestocksnotification6710 Fair point, however I believe others can also deliver that (you will of course have to find them.. might take some effort), while his work on maps of meaning and the interpretation of stories is something I have never seen anyone else to to the degree of real life utility that JBP did. That´s why I think we are losing out if he uses his time to talk about popular topics as a (albeit VERY) smart interviewer.
@@poopongmcplop3635 JP can do both, and he wants doing both.
Thank you for your candor.
Correct teaching is to help the student how to think and find the needed information and the answers to the problems !
I cannot express how much I appreciate this conversation.
We must never forget the pandemic we must all keep pushing in every way we can for a thorough investigation.
Investigation that can go on for years if certain insiders want it to. Nothing but conjectures will ensue.
@@louisaccardi2268
Yes and you can bet those responsible will hide destroy or refuse to hand over evidence.
We must insist they comply with the law.
@@BradleyUK58 Yes indeed. They don't move on anything anymore unless enough people insist, or they are sued.
@@BradleyUK58 good luck with
that
Well defeating fascism wasn’t easy for the veterans of WW2 but they did we just have to stop enabling them and do likewise.
Thank you for sharing this… such great nuggets of information looked at in a way I never thought of before🙏🏽
Love ur podcast. But please turn down the echo on ur microphone❤️
"Truth matters more than consequences." -somebody. Thank You Jordan for making this masterpiece interview available to the general public.
Yes, I agree. Much thanks.
Kanye West agrees.
There are always four sides to a story: your side, their side, the truth and what really happened.
@@geoms6263 the truth is what happened. Truth cannot be fractured by our perceived ideals.
Sadly our toxic culture renders most incapable of most truths, trivial and horrid.
in every corner of the world there have been brave souls that speak out the truth- although unknown on the RUclips platform, deserve applaud for the courage to speak up.
I'd like to add that this is a stellar presentation with the best of the best speaking and it is appreciated greatly!
Bud, you got more ads than most twitch streamers show during their lives. Holy hell. Just let me join your group page on RUclips. I'd pay not to see thee ads and stop interrupting the flow of the talk
Much love, I really do appreciate what you do.
I caught Covid Feb 2021. In a coma for 12 days in hospital for 6 weeks and still recovering. I’m so confused how this virus just packed up and left this earth. Everyday I sit and look for answers. Thanks for this . ❤
Please complete an herb parasite cleanse. This will help your healing.
It didn't just pack up. It's still infecting hundreds of thousands. The media has gone silent as the elite globalists have made their easy billion on capitalizing from the disease and are preparing for the next $$$ event.
hope your better now, everyone had covid around me but i just carried on and never caught it 'as far as i know', there is a lot more to this than were being told, what a shithole the world has become with Ukraine etc it would be a far better place without us humans,we will eventually destroy ourselves
Sounds like a consequence of being jabbed with experimental gene therapy (gene jabs)
@@marilyn8884 can you recommend a good parasite cleanse… I had Covid over a year ago and I still having some gut issues thx 🙏🏻
Jordan, I really enjoyed this interview. You asked very specific questions, very well formulated, you acted like a top of the line journalist, and you allowed the guest to explain his points in length. Exelent job!
Jordan.sir....I know its reduculously hard and taxing...but dont forget ....and know how many youre helping..dont get the big head . With all due respect...and I know ..or think ..youre a big part of waking alot if people up...and you say things way nicer than I could...I truly appreciate you my brother
Semper Fidelis
Looking forward to watching
I am afraid to come out with my story. I have worked in a lab where I worked on a project integrating a 12 basepair cleavage site for furin in influenza viruses. I was an intern there and our produced virus worked. I'm bound to extreme legal issues if I come forward but I really need to talk about it. I hope this story will be heard and I want to let you know China is not the only lab undergoing research in producing dangerous viruses
Yup we are doing it also and we funded Wuhan so it's all on us even if it did come from Wuhan
You're better off reaching out to project veritas or Rebel news. They have lawyers etc. Take care
@project veritas
Purbright in the UK has a fair input in this bullshit,also one of the pies bill gates fingers are in
Isn't there a lab in the US that is also (still) doing this "type" of research?
Wow! What an amazing time we live in where ordinary Joes can sit in like a fly on the wall and listen to such a deep discussion between two of the brightest minds of our time - utterly mesmerizing. If RUclips had allowed such inquisitive probings two years ago, we might not be so divided now.
Hardly.....neither of them have a clue what they are talking about. FFS.....do wake up.
@@bigbensmith9504 oh ok. What are they getting wrong? Genuine question.
@@cnrspiller3549the bot is all over the comments🙄
And the FBI are 👀
@@bigbensmith9504 neither do you
Thank You sir! For a great piece of information. Since 20s have learnt a lot about how worlds works!!!
Excellent Video!
Listening to this conversation has genuinely stretched my psyche, and at 67, sometimes makes me squint my eyes: neurons firing in an otherwise unexplored part of my brain. Many thanks to you both for an entertaining and enlightening evening.