Hi, I love your kits and want to get one. How do I go about contacting you to ask you some questions about the kits? I've tried searching for you on your various sites but can't find your email, thanks
Happily overwhelmed with all the great info!! Just had mold remediation in my home, hoping your carbon quad could possibly help out getting back to normal. I purchased 2 BlueAir 211+ but I think my nose is a better air quality censor then they are. Most of the time, they don't respond to anything. How loud is the carbon quad? The complete purchase list would be; frame kit, filters, fan & carbon filter?Thanks
Even already owning version 2, I would not hesitate to buy version 3. You put a great deal of time and energy into building out these kits, and they are amazing. It makes easy for someone that just can't get enough time in the shop for shop furniture and appliances. Outstanding job,.
I appreciate that! There is a lot of things to consider when putting together one of these kits. I like to make sure that everyone that buys one knows exactly how to get the most out of the kit 👍
Probably as long as it would sit nicely in a hole. I will be adding a variation of the kit to my shop soon that allows you to make any size hole for any fan. There will also be free plans so you can make a wood version for any size fan as well.
My Model-B Carbon came in today, it was easy and quick to assemble and it's quieter than the cardboard monstrosity I taped together waiting for this to arrive. If you get the refillable carbon and the plus model fan for the wifi control don't put the three filters on first or you'll have to tweak the fitment.
It’s easy to see your designs are maturing. Nice work. It would be interesting to see if adding a decorative cloth “pre-filter” would be feasible. Similar to what IKEA does with their filters. The machined plastic sheet and legs look great, the filters are the only thing that make it look more like shop equipment rather than something you’d see inside a home. I’ve also thought about configuring the refillable carbon so that it’s outside the filters. That way you wouldn’t need to worry about carbon dust and it would be compatible with any fan. I haven’t quite figured out the best way to do it, but a thin frame with window screen on the front and back would probably work. Some type of reinforcement would likely be needed to prevent it bulging out due to the weight of the carbon granules. A rectangular refillable carbon filter frame could be a new product for you.
I am working on pre-filters for these and they will be out some day soon. I'm starting with the round filters first, then trying the larger ones. Cutting the fabric to size perfectly is a challenge. I did a test that I will show off in my upcoming VOC video that applies a thin layer of carbon to the outside of the filters and I honestly did not see much benefit from it. Box fans also cant really handle the static pressure created by the extra obstruction. I do really like the idea tho, so I may experiment with it more before the video is done.
ok this is cool but I wish I would have seen the kits before I built the wood version from you plans, thanks for those. While the wood one is fine, these look better and would have saved me a couple for days work! good luck
I imagine a hurricane inline fan would be the most efficient. Even with "less" cfm, they are designed for higher static pressure so perhaps you'll get better cfm at a higher efficiency. I would love to see you test one. Thanks!!
Have you by any chance tested if the laeger caterpillar fan with an adapter to the carbon filter is quieter/higher flow than the inline fan? .....i see about the VOC filter. Gonna look for a 10" version if it happens to exist...or maybe i can just replace the flange it comes with.....
Is your model B Charcoal pulling air though the top first and out through the filters or pulling dirty air in and then cleaned air out the top? i.e. should I use a diffuser at the top? Thank you for your help!
Thank you! I am hoping to have that video out either this weekend or later next week. There is a lot going on at the moment and I'm running a bit behind.
Hi Handy 😜 what do you think about the Caterpillar 9in drum fan ? I want to build a quad filter box with 16x25 filters to have a slim profile box. I think the 9in drum fan would be a good fit for this box size.
Yes, that should work just fine! I think I replied to you on Etsy tonight. I think you could also fit it on a 14" wide filter box if you wanted to go even smaller.
Would it be possible to make a system using either AC Infinity 4” (205CFM) inline and carbon, or the 6” (402CFM)? What would be the max room size suitable for these. Using MERV 13 is there a way to calculate CADR? Thinking of making some for my bedrooms, so looking at a smaller size if it’s still efficient. Thanks! Love your videos!
Have you got any plans to make any using PC fans? Your designs look really really well made and thought out. I just worry a bit about having a full power fan sitting on the ground. What if someone visits and baby/toddler hurts themselves or someone's hair gets sucked in (particularly if the fan is set to suck). Or do you think on the lower speeds they are pretty safe?
Wow you been busy! Great job man! I seriously think you need to look into pc fans Artic cooling p14S with 2 either 16x25x1 or 20x20x1 for places like a living room where space is premium. It obviously doesnt do rhe same cfm as a 4 filter design but its super quiet.
I'll definitely do a PC fan build some time this year. The space issue is a good thought. The AC infinity inline fan is really compact and powerful but it is expensive and absurdly loud at high CFM levels. After installing that fan it really needed a cover and that Noctua 200mm grill fit perfectly.
Looking for VOC filters for residential painting. Is the activated carbon replaceable? How long the activated carbon works if the filter is at the job site not necessarily working every day working hours. Does the charcoal absorbs all odors even the filter is not plugged in?
I love this. Have you ever tested the Harbor Freight CENTRAL MACHINERY 24 in. High Velocity Shop Fan? It's on sale for $99 and claims up to 7,200 cfm. Though I don't believe that, it seems like a great value. Are you aware of any pitfalls with that model fan?
All the tests that I ran indicated that the 5th filter on the bottom doesn't help performance much unless the unit is way off the ground so that air can get to the bottom filter. Using 4 larger filters is a great way to add more filter area without the design complexity of adding a filter to the bottom.
You may have answered this elsewhere and I missed it but how far off the wall should your units sit for good airflow on the wall side filter? Would 6" be enough?
I love your videos! I am getting into woodworking and already having issues with my asthma. I was curious...I was allowed by my wife to use one side of our two car garage for this new mid-life crisis. I am considering your model B (inline) kit and was wondering if there was any reason I could not install this in my garage attic with a duct flush mounted to my garage ceiling that would feed into my attic where the model B would be placed? The idea is to use my attic to house the model B unit without taking up any space in my garage. The inline fan would draw in dust from my garage right up to the ceiling with no space taken up by hanging a unit or wheeling a unit around on my limited floor space. Or am I missing something and the unit needs to be placed in the space that it is cleaning for circulation? (Garage is finished with drywall)
Hello! Thanks for watching and the tip! Inline fans are not really designed to process dusty air. You can definitely set up a model-B that hangs from the ceiling though, it just would be inside the attic. If you need something in the attic, I have some ideas though. Message me on etsy about this so I can send links. RUclips tends to remove posts with links.
Great videos. And I appreciate the many options test data. After watching the videos I am still wondering which would work best for my environment. Question: I live in a 1000 square foot, 2 bedroom apartment in hot/humid South Florida with central AC. Opening windows here is rare. I am doing renovations while living in the apartment, including non-asbestos popcorn ceiling removal and sanding drywall. After doing some drywall sanding in a room that had the door closed, I do see evidence of airborne sanded particles throughout the apartment. Do you think one of your CAT drum with 4: 20"x30" filter units be sufficient for my environment? Or would I need multiple units? I am assuming the filter should be in the room where the work is being done. After the air in that room is scrubbed should it then be moved throughout the apartment to scrub the other areas? Or better to have additional fan/filter units in those areas?
Thanks for watching! You could start with 1 of the drum fan kits for use in the room that you are working in. One thing I did was use a Model-G (single filter on box fan) kit out in the hallway by the room that I was working in. This helped to capture any dust that leaked out of the room. One other thought is to be sure that the vents in your work room are closed/taped off so that dusty air is not blown out of the room when the system kicks on. You don't have to leave it like this when you are not working in there, but at least when you are working it will help prevent dust from escaping the work area.
Videos and information are great. I'm not sure if I got crossed data or confusion about airflow direction (in or out) but the videos are helpful. This video suggests either or, where another of yours says to move air through the fan from inside of box out as the preferred. My only criticism is listening to the fluency of your speaking; your voice sounds AI generated, and gets hard to listen to; Sorry if thats harsh
Right now I am incredibly frustrated. Have the model B with a 14 inch diameter hole. Ordered the the AC Infinity Cloudlift AS14 and surprise the fan is 16 inches in diameter and doesn't even come close to fitting the14 inch diameter hole.
Sorry about this issue! The default Cloudlift design is for a 12" S12 fan. The number in the name of the fan indicates the size of the fan blades, not the hole for the fan. I do have an option for the 14" Cloudlift S14 but, as you noticed, the hole has to be larger. Please contact me through Etsy so we can figure out what happened with your order.
@@The3DHandyman Ordered the model B that fit the 16 by 30 inch filter. The top has a 14 inch hole. So far so good. So using my apparently flawed logic I ordered an Infinity model S14 which to me would logically be 14 inches in diameter and fit the 14 inch hole. The model S14 is actually 16 inches in diameter to my surprise. Would not think there is any thing you could do except perhaps state don't order the S14 model.
@@ArnieD17 That's right, the diameter of the S12 is 14in. The S14 at 16in wide is to large for kits that have filters smaller than 20in wide. The S14 is an option for the kit. In the Etsy description it has all those details but I think you have to click 2 buttons to actually view the description. Etsy seems to hide it for some reason. I want to get a website set up where I can make this sort of thing more clear but haven't made it that far yet. Hopefully you can return the S14 for an S12. They seem to be back in stock this week. They have been a bit scarce since I launched this video.
I can't speak for his results specifically, but all fans handle static pressure differently. Static pressure, in this case, is basically the ability of a fan/blade design to still push air successfully as the pressure increases, usually on one side of the fan. A specific side of a fan design can sometimes handle pressure much differently. The fan likely just fails to move much air while running in that specific orientation.
Good question! Technically this can be done but the Box fan motor is not enclosed so it can collect a lot of dust and in certain environments (like wood dust) that could be a fire risk. In-home use would probably be fine in this configuration but the motor will still get dirty. I have tested the Push method with a Lasko fan and it performed well with 20x30" filters (33min to remove smoke from the air vs 46min in the pull mode). An Air King box fan would probably not benefit as much, if at all, because it has a lot more space inside the fan enclosure and the air just circulates around in that area without being forced through the filters. Box fans can also struggle to overcome the static pressure created by very dirty filters, so in the long run efficiently would likely suffer more vs a Drum fan.
Amazing. They are over priced for 4 aluminum legs, 2 tops! Besides, most of us already built our own version of these filtration boxes. I love the snug filter snap-in ideas.. Good work.
No it is not overpriced. Look how much time you use to build this by your own, so that it works and fit in place. He have created his IKEA-like filtering system, but with a good video and not some cryptic images on paper.
I wouldn’t say they’re overpriced. HDPE sheet isn’t cheap and the machining takes a lot of time and specific tools. You can DIY a similarly performing setup but it won’t look as nice and it’ll take longer.
"Overpriced" is easy to say when we are all used to buying things made in low cost countries with million dollar production lines and budgets. Small businesses don't have that luxury. That said, I know they aren't as cheap as I would like them to be but I literally can't make them for less. That's why I do the free plans for these kits 👍
Don’t get me wrong. I really love the professionally polished product duct. If I would ship it to my country it’s going to be another $190 without customs. 🛃and tax. I could get those same parts and build my own. In fact this is what I have. Box - like for my filtration laser engraver with inline exhaust fan using aluminum bars. The base is 18mm chip board.
Oh for sure. That definitely adds a huge amount to the cost. I wish our shipping system could give remotely decent rates to any other country. Especially Canada. I mean, its practically the same place.
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Inline Fans 12:16
Carbon Filter 15:17
Foam Install 16:39
You've done your homework! These kits look sharp & well thought out.
Hi, I love your kits and want to get one. How do I go about contacting you to ask you some questions about the kits? I've tried searching for you on your various sites but can't find your email, thanks
Hi not sure if you read my previous comment. How do I contact you so I can ask you a few questions about the kits?
Happily overwhelmed with all the great info!! Just had mold remediation in my home, hoping your carbon quad could possibly help out getting back to normal. I purchased 2 BlueAir 211+ but I think my nose is a better air quality censor then they are. Most of the time, they don't respond to anything. How loud is the carbon quad? The complete purchase list would be; frame kit, filters, fan & carbon filter?Thanks
Come on algorithms pick this guy up. He’s putting in the work.
We need to get ProjectFarm to do a shop dust filter test and have these as part of it
Big Air, always keeping the little guy down.
Even already owning version 2, I would not hesitate to buy version 3. You put a great deal of time and energy into building out these kits, and they are amazing. It makes easy for someone that just can't get enough time in the shop for shop furniture and appliances. Outstanding job,.
Thanks so much for that feedback! Glad you are enjoying the second generation kit. Breathe easy, my friend!
Loving the amount of effort and data in your videos!
I appreciate that! There is a lot of things to consider when putting together one of these kits. I like to make sure that everyone that buys one knows exactly how to get the most out of the kit 👍
@@The3DHandymanAny chance you know if i can get this setup to work with my Honeywell Hf-910 fan?
Probably as long as it would sit nicely in a hole. I will be adding a variation of the kit to my shop soon that allows you to make any size hole for any fan. There will also be free plans so you can make a wood version for any size fan as well.
I LOVE your approach to filtration. It's extremely polished and effective.
Thank you kindly!
Nicely done great info
I’m about to start on something like this soon.
Thanks for the info
Very well thought out design
My Model-B Carbon came in today, it was easy and quick to assemble and it's quieter than the cardboard monstrosity I taped together waiting for this to arrive.
If you get the refillable carbon and the plus model fan for the wifi control don't put the three filters on first or you'll have to tweak the fitment.
Thank you!
Can you tell the difference between “push” and “pull” configurations? Is there a difference? And which one is more efficient?
It’s easy to see your designs are maturing. Nice work.
It would be interesting to see if adding a decorative cloth “pre-filter” would be feasible. Similar to what IKEA does with their filters. The machined plastic sheet and legs look great, the filters are the only thing that make it look more like shop equipment rather than something you’d see inside a home.
I’ve also thought about configuring the refillable carbon so that it’s outside the filters. That way you wouldn’t need to worry about carbon dust and it would be compatible with any fan. I haven’t quite figured out the best way to do it, but a thin frame with window screen on the front and back would probably work. Some type of reinforcement would likely be needed to prevent it bulging out due to the weight of the carbon granules. A rectangular refillable carbon filter frame could be a new product for you.
I am working on pre-filters for these and they will be out some day soon. I'm starting with the round filters first, then trying the larger ones. Cutting the fabric to size perfectly is a challenge.
I did a test that I will show off in my upcoming VOC video that applies a thin layer of carbon to the outside of the filters and I honestly did not see much benefit from it. Box fans also cant really handle the static pressure created by the extra obstruction.
I do really like the idea tho, so I may experiment with it more before the video is done.
ok this is cool but I wish I would have seen the kits before I built the wood version from you plans, thanks for those. While the wood one is fine, these look better and would have saved me a couple for days work! good luck
Building you own kit builds character! or something. Sorry I was a bit late on the video, I had hoped to have it out months ago
I imagine a hurricane inline fan would be the most efficient. Even with "less" cfm, they are designed for higher static pressure so perhaps you'll get better cfm at a higher efficiency.
I would love to see you test one.
Thanks!!
Again - epic!
Have you by any chance tested if the laeger caterpillar fan with an adapter to the carbon filter is quieter/higher flow than the inline fan? .....i see about the VOC filter. Gonna look for a 10" version if it happens to exist...or maybe i can just replace the flange it comes with.....
Can the model B with CAT fan be ceiling mounted?
Is your model B Charcoal pulling air though the top first and out through the filters or pulling dirty air in and then cleaned air out the top? i.e. should I use a diffuser at the top? Thank you for your help!
Probably the fan blowing filtered air UP since 15:00 says inline fans are always pointed up
Great work as always! What's your timeline for getting the ceiling-mounted Model B?
Thank you! I am hoping to have that video out either this weekend or later next week. There is a lot going on at the moment and I'm running a bit behind.
Hi Handy 😜 what do you think about the Caterpillar 9in drum fan ?
I want to build a quad filter box with 16x25 filters to have a slim profile box. I think the 9in drum fan would be a good fit for this box size.
Yes, that should work just fine! I think I replied to you on Etsy tonight. I think you could also fit it on a 14" wide filter box if you wanted to go even smaller.
Would it be possible to make a system using either AC Infinity 4” (205CFM) inline and carbon, or the 6” (402CFM)?
What would be the max room size suitable for these. Using MERV 13 is there a way to calculate CADR?
Thinking of making some for my bedrooms, so looking at a smaller size if it’s still efficient.
Thanks! Love your videos!
Have you got any plans to make any using PC fans? Your designs look really really well made and thought out. I just worry a bit about having a full power fan sitting on the ground. What if someone visits and baby/toddler hurts themselves or someone's hair gets sucked in (particularly if the fan is set to suck). Or do you think on the lower speeds they are pretty safe?
Wow you been busy! Great job man! I seriously think you need to look into pc fans Artic cooling p14S with 2 either 16x25x1 or 20x20x1 for places like a living room where space is premium. It obviously doesnt do rhe same cfm as a 4 filter design but its super quiet.
Is the Noctua design one, still using the ac infinity with just the noctua grill because that is smart!
I'll definitely do a PC fan build some time this year. The space issue is a good thought.
The AC infinity inline fan is really compact and powerful but it is expensive and absurdly loud at high CFM levels. After installing that fan it really needed a cover and that Noctua 200mm grill fit perfectly.
Looking for VOC filters for residential painting. Is the activated carbon replaceable? How long the activated carbon works if the filter is at the job site not necessarily working every day working hours. Does the charcoal absorbs all odors even the filter is not plugged in?
I love this. Have you ever tested the Harbor Freight CENTRAL MACHINERY 24 in. High Velocity Shop Fan? It's on sale for $99 and claims up to 7,200 cfm. Though I don't believe that, it seems like a great value. Are you aware of any pitfalls with that model fan?
Do you sell a shroud that makes the Air King more silent 🔊 for a bedroom? Thanks‼️😅👍🏽
any thoughts on performance improvement with a filter on the bottom?
All the tests that I ran indicated that the 5th filter on the bottom doesn't help performance much unless the unit is way off the ground so that air can get to the bottom filter. Using 4 larger filters is a great way to add more filter area without the design complexity of adding a filter to the bottom.
You may have answered this elsewhere and I missed it but how far off the wall should your units sit for good airflow on the wall side filter? Would 6" be enough?
I love your videos! I am getting into woodworking and already having issues with my asthma. I was curious...I was allowed by my wife to use one side of our two car garage for this new mid-life crisis. I am considering your model B (inline) kit and was wondering if there was any reason I could not install this in my garage attic with a duct flush mounted to my garage ceiling that would feed into my attic where the model B would be placed? The idea is to use my attic to house the model B unit without taking up any space in my garage. The inline fan would draw in dust from my garage right up to the ceiling with no space taken up by hanging a unit or wheeling a unit around on my limited floor space. Or am I missing something and the unit needs to be placed in the space that it is cleaning for circulation? (Garage is finished with drywall)
Hello! Thanks for watching and the tip!
Inline fans are not really designed to process dusty air. You can definitely set up a model-B that hangs from the ceiling though, it just would be inside the attic. If you need something in the attic, I have some ideas though. Message me on etsy about this so I can send links. RUclips tends to remove posts with links.
Great videos. And I appreciate the many options test data.
After watching the videos I am still wondering which would work best for my environment.
Question: I live in a 1000 square foot, 2 bedroom apartment in hot/humid South Florida with central AC. Opening windows here is rare.
I am doing renovations while living in the apartment, including non-asbestos popcorn ceiling removal and sanding drywall.
After doing some drywall sanding in a room that had the door closed, I do see evidence of airborne sanded particles throughout the apartment.
Do you think one of your CAT drum with 4: 20"x30" filter units be sufficient for my environment? Or would I need multiple units?
I am assuming the filter should be in the room where the work is being done.
After the air in that room is scrubbed should it then be moved throughout the apartment to scrub the other areas?
Or better to have additional fan/filter units in those areas?
Thanks for watching! You could start with 1 of the drum fan kits for use in the room that you are working in. One thing I did was use a Model-G (single filter on box fan) kit out in the hallway by the room that I was working in. This helped to capture any dust that leaked out of the room.
One other thought is to be sure that the vents in your work room are closed/taped off so that dusty air is not blown out of the room when the system kicks on. You don't have to leave it like this when you are not working in there, but at least when you are working it will help prevent dust from escaping the work area.
Videos and information are great. I'm not sure if I got crossed data or confusion about airflow direction (in or out) but the videos are helpful. This video suggests either or, where another of yours says to move air through the fan from inside of box out as the preferred.
My only criticism is listening to the fluency of your speaking; your voice sounds AI generated, and gets hard to listen to; Sorry if thats harsh
Right now I am incredibly frustrated. Have the model B with a 14 inch diameter hole. Ordered the the AC Infinity Cloudlift AS14 and surprise the fan is 16 inches in diameter and doesn't even come close to fitting the14 inch diameter hole.
Sorry about this issue! The default Cloudlift design is for a 12" S12 fan. The number in the name of the fan indicates the size of the fan blades, not the hole for the fan.
I do have an option for the 14" Cloudlift S14 but, as you noticed, the hole has to be larger.
Please contact me through Etsy so we can figure out what happened with your order.
@@The3DHandyman Ordered the model B that fit the 16 by 30 inch filter. The top has a 14 inch hole. So far so good. So using my apparently flawed logic I ordered an Infinity model S14 which to me would logically be 14 inches in diameter and fit the 14 inch hole. The model S14 is actually 16 inches in diameter to my surprise. Would not think there is any thing you could do except perhaps state don't order the S14 model.
@@The3DHandyman So guessing the S12 has an actual diameter of 14 Inches not 12.
@@ArnieD17 That's right, the diameter of the S12 is 14in. The S14 at 16in wide is to large for kits that have filters smaller than 20in wide. The S14 is an option for the kit.
In the Etsy description it has all those details but I think you have to click 2 buttons to actually view the description. Etsy seems to hide it for some reason. I want to get a website set up where I can make this sort of thing more clear but haven't made it that far yet.
Hopefully you can return the S14 for an S12. They seem to be back in stock this week. They have been a bit scarce since I launched this video.
Are the fans included in the kits?
They are not. The kit includes the frame and all the fan attachment hardware but no fan or filters.
The square black bottoms and tops look like wood, but you said plastic, are they wood or plastic?
They are plastic. I stopped using wood because it warps, splinters and needs sanding or painting. Very labor intensive.
Why is it best to have the box fan pulling air through the filters rather than pushing but it's different for other fans?
I can't speak for his results specifically, but all fans handle static pressure differently. Static pressure, in this case, is basically the ability of a fan/blade design to still push air successfully as the pressure increases, usually on one side of the fan. A specific side of a fan design can sometimes handle pressure much differently.
The fan likely just fails to move much air while running in that specific orientation.
Good question! Technically this can be done but the Box fan motor is not enclosed so it can collect a lot of dust and in certain environments (like wood dust) that could be a fire risk. In-home use would probably be fine in this configuration but the motor will still get dirty. I have tested the Push method with a Lasko fan and it performed well with 20x30" filters (33min to remove smoke from the air vs 46min in the pull mode). An Air King box fan would probably not benefit as much, if at all, because it has a lot more space inside the fan enclosure and the air just circulates around in that area without being forced through the filters.
Box fans can also struggle to overcome the static pressure created by very dirty filters, so in the long run efficiently would likely suffer more vs a Drum fan.
I tried to order and Etsy cancelled my account without explanation any other way to order?
He says legs, but what is it actually called when referring to the part?
Amazing.
They are over priced for 4 aluminum legs, 2 tops!
Besides, most of us already built our own version of these filtration boxes.
I love the snug filter snap-in ideas..
Good work.
No it is not overpriced. Look how much time you use to build this by your own, so that it works and fit in place.
He have created his IKEA-like filtering system, but with a good video and not some cryptic images on paper.
I wouldn’t say they’re overpriced. HDPE sheet isn’t cheap and the machining takes a lot of time and specific tools. You can DIY a similarly performing setup but it won’t look as nice and it’ll take longer.
"Overpriced" is easy to say when we are all used to buying things made in low cost countries with million dollar production lines and budgets. Small businesses don't have that luxury.
That said, I know they aren't as cheap as I would like them to be but I literally can't make them for less. That's why I do the free plans for these kits 👍
Don’t get me wrong. I really love the professionally polished product duct. If I would ship it to my country it’s going to be another $190 without customs. 🛃and tax.
I could get those same parts and build my own. In fact this is what I have. Box - like for my filtration laser engraver with inline exhaust fan using aluminum bars. The base is 18mm chip board.
Oh for sure. That definitely adds a huge amount to the cost. I wish our shipping system could give remotely decent rates to any other country. Especially Canada. I mean, its practically the same place.