These people grift right in the open, with little apprehension, or fear of retribution. Its downright criminal that Olsteen received 4.4 million in PPP.😡
Natalie gore......Amen...and once you found the true church, you wouldn't step into a building called "church".. People wake up and discover the Ekklesia that Jesus Christ (and Him alone is building)..and be a lively stone...🙏
@@cj8172 One big flaw is that Abraham's willingness to kill his son is portrayed as a virtue. Yes, yes, yes, I know he was stopped from following through but that is really beside the point. His willingness is portrayed as a virtue and not a flaw. There are many other acts by humans that are truly horrific that are portrayed as virtuous. Lott's willingness to let his daughters be gang raped to protect angels is portrayed as a virtue. Couldn't angels protect themselves? Moses was supposedly ordered to wipe out the Midianianites. He did so except for virgin girls. Yes, all wiped out except for the virgin girls. An entire people --- gone. Oh, and as for the entire premise of the New Testament ... why wouldn't God be able to simply forgive humanity without allowing an innocent person to die a horrible tortuous death? Why is blood necessary for forgiveness?
I questioned this doctrine when my husband and I first got married. I was told the fact that my family I believed in Jesus, I wasn’t saved. Then the demands for money got intense. We were beyond poor, very young with a small baby. They demanded money. Having financial difficulties? It’s because you’re not tithing. Have a handicapped daughter, your fault!!! Oh you tithed and gave back tithes like they demanded? It’s some sort of “hidden sin”!!! Better pray and ask God to reveal to you “where you are sinning”!!! There was no way to win with these people. I saw and heard of folks dying of medical issues that could have been fixed with doctors but they refused to go because of an extreme “health” version of this. It totally ignored and negates the use and practice of Grace towards the poor, the sick, the broken. It’s a cruel spirit ran by the devil and I don’t know what side you think you’re on it’s the wrong one.
My brother tickled my mind with this question: "If you are in debt and tithe, aren't you tithing the Bank's money?" Get out of debt first, then tithe your own money. You're already tithing to the bank in interest. And before tithing to the motivational speaker called pastor, maybe rather give to the poor and needy around you. Matthew 25 doesn't end with: "...as much as you did/ did not do it for the pastor...", it ends with: "...as much as you did/ did not do it to these least of people, you did (-not do-) it to Me."
Someone pointed out to me once that Joel Osteen is more of a motivational speaker than he is a preacher. Smart on Joel's part to call himself a preacher he can be tax exempt now.
Constant focus on your goals motivates you to achieve them, no god or magical thinking is required. Introducing god mainly helps the pastor’s tax situation as he gets you to accept tithing-Osteen has $40 million in his bank account....Watching these supposedly religious evangelicals fawn over a conman like Trump has not just turned me off christianity, but now I see christianity is a system of self delusion. If you just inserted another name instead of the word god you can easily see it. Thank Zeus....without Zeus we can accomplish nothing...people see right away that it’s bs.
Unfortunately it seems to be lost on many subs who'd rather not be disturbed in their echo chamber. I really do appreciate this channel for that though.
God's plan of salvation: believe on the Lord Jesus and thou shall be saved! He is the Son of God. He arose from the dead ascended to heaven and is alive forever more!
@@fayebradford5763 - Your mythology is no more or less true than any of the others. Its all just human efforts at interpretation of the inscrutable. I prefer the Hindu version; far more reflective of reality for me.
In history, religion was always aligned with power and money. I guess people forgot that Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple. Unfortunately, religion does not reflect the values of the person whose life is based on their beliefs.
@@angel77503 Well there are several churches. What murderous church do you mean? You are talking the anti Christ, anti Bible, power hungry, state churches? These churches are easily recognized by earthly forms of organization. They have vast capital holdings, complex infrastructures, and are a more often concerned with the kingdoms of earth. Or the real church which is the body of believers in Christ alone joined together across vast cultural and class divides by the love of God. This church is more concerned with reconciling sinful man to Holy God through the sacrifice of Jesus and often finds itself the first victim of the previous church. So are talking one, all , or none?
@@jessicageerligs339 im talking in Christianity in general all the things you mention like anti christ anti bible etc shows you have fabricated in your mind a sense of purity in the church that doesnt exist period Catholic. Evangelicals. Jehovas witnesses etc. They have proven themselves to be crooked in their roots from bloody evangelization campaigns to using the religion for monetary and political gains
What profit is it that a man should gain the whole world and in it himself be lost. You can't worship both God and money. It's easier to thread a camel through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven. Seek for yourself treasures in heaven. Roosters have roosts and birds have nests but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head. Money is the root of all kinds of evil. He who makes himself last will be made first in the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are the poor for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Where exactly does the Bible say to seek wealth? Those quotes are just off the top of my head and it's obvious the Bible doesn't teach the pursuit of money. Capitalism is every man for himself so the the terms "Christian" and "Capitalism" don't really go together.
Capitalism also promotes reward for effort and personal responsibility. "He who refuses to work shall not eat." Justifying politics through Scripture? We can all play that game ...
In all my life I’ve never witnessed an author so poorly summarize his own book. Good thing the host had the wherewithal to keep steering him back on track. What a mess.
Especially the Jehovah's Witnesses. Their GB are all about robbing people of their entire lives and giving them nothing after a lifetime of serving their GB and being told by them what to do. The JW culture also protects PEDOPHILES and not children. Look up the AUSTRALIAN ROYAL COMMISSION. ITS SHAMEFUL. RELIGION IS ALL ABOUT CONTROLLING PEOPLE AND IS A BUSINESS. These religious leaders and everyone connected to them are abusing the members. Bottom line. The WRATH OF GOD WILL BE ON ALL FALSE LEADERS. Can't wait for that day to come. So many are lying and misleading people for the sake of money 💰.
This morass came from Calvinism and the work ethic. If one was poor it was their fault. Get laid off from your job? It’s your fault, you weren’t spiritual enough. Medical bills getting you down? You are to blame. You don’t have enough faith. It’s a blame the victim mentality.
Ever think they know there's no such thing as judgement, that's why they don't fear judgment for their actions of basically stealing, by using fake religion ~
And, rightly so!!! Teaching kids (and adults) to be scared out of their minds, thinking that if they do anything that’s considered to be sinful, they’re going to FRY or ROAST in flames of fire forever and ever simply because they wasn’t absolutely perfect is paramount to child abuse. I now have Complex PTSD because of the cult I used to go to. Christianity is nothing but a fear based religion!!! And, it does a ton of damage to kids (and adults). And, besides, according to the man made bible of yours, hell I’d simply the grave. Jesus was in hell for 3 days and 3 nights!!! Was He roasting in fire and brimstone?!!? Was Jesus being tortured?!!? NO!!! But, He was put inside the tomb (the grave). And, the bible uses words like, “perish” to describe the condition of the “lost,” and Ecclesiastes 9:5 says that “the living know that they are shall die, but as for the dead, they know NOTHING, and neither have any more reward.” And, according to the man made bible, you ARE a soul. You don’t HAVE a soul!!! Hell, as we know it today, was an invention of the Church to scare the crap out of people so that THEY can control the masses. And, it definitely worked for a while. Fear is always a very powerful motivator!!! But, is that what God Almighty wants?!!? For us to be terrified of Him?!!? NO, I don’t think so!!! God is love!!! He’s compassionate!!! He cares!!! He’s NOT the sadistic monster that people make Him out to be!!! Just saying!!! And, yeah, the doctrines of hell just makes more and more people want to leave the so-called Church. And, of course, all the extremely greedy preachers, too, nowadays. Disgusting!!! Teaching kids to fear God and hell and pretty much everything else in this life is paramount to horrible, horrible child abuse. I was one of those kids that grew up emotionally, psychologically and spiritually traumatized by the whole thing. And, that’s what YOU wanna have taught and drilled into the brains of our children and other adults?!!? That would make YOU feel good (happy)?!!? WOW!!!
@@davidsimons1832 Im not sure if Christianity is fear based, seeing that the biggest commandment in the Bible was about love. I think a lot of people put down their Bible and forgot to pray, leading to a smorgis-borg of people who fall under a blanket term Christian.
@@jeevunvethanayagam6536 No, the Bible says fear NOT 365 times throughout the whole Bible. Just saying that a LOT of the so-called Churches (or cults) like, for instance, the Pentecostal Churches (and, not even ALL of them, probably) thrive on trying to scare the hell out of people, and then totally controlling them and manipulating them through fear. Gloom and doom type of Churches!!! Ya know what I mean?!!? And, I went to a United Pentecostal Church, myself. Same exact cult that the late Reverend Jim Jones used to be a member of before starting his own cult and killing his congregation by giving them the famous cyanide laced Kool Aid drink. They control the people through total fear!!! Well, and guilt, shame, the threat of ETERNAL suffering, damnation and on and on. They actually get off on scaring the living crap out of people. I heard that they are just like the military, and they totally break you down, and then build you back up, but THIS time, the way that THEY want you to be. You’re TOTALLY brainwashed and indoctrinated in no time at all!!! They’re MASTERS at emotional manipulation!!! Extremely abusive cult!!! I now have Complex PTSD because of this fear based cult!!! Horrible, horrible anxiety, depression, flashbacks, etc., etc., etc., Should be illegal to do that to people (especially kids who they love to prey on, because the younger they get control over them, the more brainwashed and indoctrinated they can get them, and when they are really young, they just trust them because they are told that the preachers are men of god, and that THEY look out for your soul. Hope you see what I’m trying to say. And, hopefully, you can understand where I’m coming from.
@@davidsimons1832 I see. I was quite sad to hear about the experience. Without a doubt a person must love God and navigate a way to keep his commandments. Fear might motivate a person for a moment but love is necessary to have a good life.
@@jeevunvethanayagam6536 I agree with you!!! It’s just that they totally terrify everybody there, and use highly emotional music, preaching, etc., to get ya all worked up. And, that’s what I have major problems with. Have Complex PTSD because of this cult!!! And, thanks!!! It’s been a long, long time now since I’ve been out of the cult, and I’m still having tons of problems. I have Autism and ADHD and that just made everything so much worse for me. People who have those conditions also experience things so much more intensely to begin with, and then the cult works and works on ya to get ya just as emotional as they can possibly get ya. It’s been a horrible, horrible nightmare!!! And, couldn’t (at that time) even tell (or communicate) with my Mom and Dad what the cult was doing to me because I wasn’t even sure what was going on and what it was really doing to me. I was totally oblivious to what was going on because of being so brainwashed and indoctrinated, and also because of the Autism and the ADHD. And, the Complex PTSD!!! Everything was just extremely traumatizing!!! They actually built another Church just to take care of the people who used to go to my former cult, believe it or not. They called it the ER Church!!! They said it was like an Emergency Room for those who’ve been horribly abused and hurt by the United Pentecostal Church. Anyways, I’m doing a LOT better than I was when I first quit going there. But, still have horrible anxiety and depression, flashbacks, etc., from having gone there for so long. Ya know what I mean?!!? 😢
Personal experience with Lakewood Church and Joel Osteen I used to tithe to that church I grew up in Houston I've given thousands and thousands of dollars to that church they were one of my biggest tax write-offs for many many years there's a lady that came to our city and to the church while she was there in town she had cancer she was coming for a 2-day treatment at the MD Anderson hospital in Houston she was sleeping in her car because she used all the money she had to drive there from out of state for gas and she did not have a place to stay for those 2 days while we're at church told her to go talk to the office and ask them to help her because I know that they have benevolence fund and they have relationships with hotels with grocery stores with all kinds of businesses in order to be able to help people and they did a discount for those things anyway she had her paperwork showing that she had in fact Aaron appointment for the next 2 days for this treatment at MD Anderson hospital she had a day with her she had prescriptions with her she went and talked to them and they said oh I'm sorry we can't help you and they gave her a half of a pumpkin pie a half of a pumpkin pie you know how store sell single slices of hi and sometimes I even saw a half of a pie and that's what they gave her a close to Holiday half of a pie because they were giving it by a grocery store who gives those things that are coming close to pole day to food banks and churches I'm just one of many people who just thousands and thousands of dollars to that church I do it because people are more likely to go there than to come to me personally since I don't have access to that many people to get help and I trusted that they were helping people I promptly stopped giving to that church after that that was just a gross gross horrible way to show God's love and I think I should be ashamed of themselves
if there is a god, and i stress the word if strongly, an athiest has a much greater chance of entering the kingdom of heaven than any televangelist because the atheist did not use the bible to become rich beyond his wildest dreams...'' i'd say god is gonna be pissed at ya joel.''.
You can change religion to fit any view you want, up to and especially including the slaughter of millions in the name of god. That's why it's better to stay atheist, you will leave the Earth will a much lighter soul.
This is one of the most informative and profound interviews that I have heard in a long time. Where do I go to here more of these type interviews? Thanks. I think that I might be more libertarian than I previously thought.
I read another scripture about a meal overflowing. About a friend feeding another. A scripture even more compelling than the Bible or Koran. The fable of the "Green Eggs and Ham". I find just as much reason to adhere to it than to your silly, little, invisible, and imaginary friend's book.
This was great. My one concern is how the middle was so blithely dismissed, and indeed denigrated. There are many people like me who have great respect and sympathy for libertarian views but view them as either too extreme in practice or which cannot be achieved in undiluted form - hence the needs for civility, compromise and competence. The extremes of both the left and the right, and the failure to find common ground, is what ails the United States far more than lack of political or philosophical purity.
I agree about what you said regarding philosophical and political purity, and would like to add that it would be nice if spiritual, biblical purity was practiced, especially in a time where everyone is confused and looking East for answers (as an Indian, we dont really have them).
When Trump said he has no need to ask God for forgiveness, that threw him out there way beyond any resemblance of anything Christian. And then when he talked about the two Corinthians...
Getting expensive college degree to cualify as minister, expensive buildings, and talented, but unholy musicians have contributed to church's corruption.
The disciples of Jesus marveled when he said it's hard for a rich man to enter the KIngdom of Heaven because they thought richness was s sign of God's blessings. Maybe this stemmed from how God blessed King Solomon. They asked, Who then can be saved?
I use to hear Joel Osteen but got the message he was all about how much money the people would donate to him which I have never believe on donating to such people even when they tell the people if you donate God will give you more. One can figure out right away when they are about money to make them wealthy. Although some people are perhaps like sheep and believe these false prophets. We don't need such preachers to believe in God and follow the bible that God left. How can they determine where people are going to heaven or hell when they don't know where they are going themselves for lying and deceiving the people.
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You know, you must know , how irritating it is to you know, have someone keep telling you, ya You Know? I’m sorry but I can’t listen and not be able to say to you No I Don’t Know!
Wow he really nails it. Odd how level headed SOME nonbelievers are about the perversions of faith, especially Christianity, and the fetishizing of economics/capitalism/work.
If you replaced "The Holy Bible" with "The Rules of Acquisition" (the Ferengi bible from Star Trek) most of the preachers in 'Merica wouldn't even notice.
We all...christian / non-christian... need to be remember that Jesus is very, very, rich and was very, very rich when he was on earth. Nobody has ever, ever been richer than Jesus Christ...nobody. The Scriptures states He Became poor...so that we could become rich...not always rich in money. As a believer in Jesus teachings... I would rather see my kids richer than me..
This video is part of a sublime effort to associate money in religion as something negative.... every organization needs money to function and be able to help people.... HOW the money is used is the real story.... there is no reason pastors can not live in a large mansion of sorts and have a private jet if they are travelling all the time , if they have become celebrities and giving away large amounts of money to help people.
They DO NOT call it the property gospel for no reason at all, also look into the word of faith movement and those behind them including the people who brought these preachers up before they started this stuff! It goes back quite a ways.
The title talks about Donald Trump and the evangelical "money cult," but this bit is mostly about "the money cult." I would have appreciated more in-depth analysis of how Donald Trump intersects with the prosperity gospel. Lehmann introduces the subject by talking about Trump's religious pedigree, and a bit on his charitable giving (not so much), but leaves it at that. How does his campaign reflect this idea of Christianity? How is he viewed among different Christian sects, positive or negative? I would've liked to have heard more about that from him.
When a man or woman becomes a believer in Jesus...you have won...you are unbelievably rich...even though you may be dirt poor. The Scriptures clearly state you have inherited all the spiritual blessings...found in the letter of Ephesians (New Testament). A dirt poor man / woman have just as much access to God...thru Jesus Christ... as any pastor /priest.
We should be able to recognize that the prosperity gospel is about filling the coffers, if this prosperity gospel is so effective why don't those preachers go to the poorest of the poor countries to preach this?
not only did you interview a differing opinion, you actually interviewed him. you didn't get bogged down in debate. you kept it professional&on topic. hats off to you! (see cenk vs karen interview "JUST ADMIT IT OR MAKE ME A GODDAMN SANDWICH!!")
The money changers today are alive and well in the oligarchy of the House of Clinton. Hillary too claims to be a person of faith when it suits her. I'd suggest that had this country stuck to using honest weight and measures as biblically commanded, it would not keep suffering these economic bubbles. When the currency bubble implodes it is going to be very ugly. Adherence to shemita year debt forgiveness is worthy of consideration.
Thought that was about charging for religious services? It's analogous to the predatory megachurches and televangelists, doesn't really have anything to do with the secular market, right? I have no idea if you guys are serious or sarcastic though, lol.
@@BonnieBlue2A - The Money-Changers were the first-line of the wealthy Elite Jews - Pharisees, and Rabbi's who fleeced the devoted. The only change in modern times is that the children of those Jews lost Religion, became secular...and created a new religion based on CAPITAL, and Money-lending at INTEREST! It's called - BANKING!
Not a fan of missionaries. As an Anthropologist, I see mission work as antithetical to cultural relativism. One cannot not actually respect another culture while trying to subvert its basic beliefs. I find proselytizing offensive.
If our archeologists of today, dug up the ruins of one of our huge marble floored, gilded plaster walled with massive pillars, of one of our city banks they would be calling it a "Temple".
The Pilgrims of Massachusetts were a tough, judgmental, superstitious lot and very much dependent upon each other for their survival in the wilderness; success measured by material gain, evidence of God's blessings. Today's Osteen Christian is "married" to the material distractions of the 21st century while really not needing each other to survive in today's wilderness...
What does he do for others, they do not bring the good news just critical. Water is free but the plumbing is not, same with the gospel it costs money to bring the news to people. Jesus came to give us abundant life. I want to hear it from someone who has experience and lived it.
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In the early Church and even in Jewish old theology, the issue of money and preaching God's Word was settled, it was a sign of a failed prophet. Also selfishness. My point is this issue is not new. Paul dealt with it and Peter in
Sorry sir, joe is not even a under shepherd ( pastor) in the eyes of the divine Shepherd( Jesus ). He is leading the people to hell away from the cross. Jesus is really anger at Joe, but also Jesus open his wide arms to accept Joe as long as Joe repent from his evil ways. Please, joe is not pastor. The Bible called these kind of men wicked. My hope that Christ will one day soon save Joe, and become under shepherd of Jesus’ flock.🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
2 Peter 3:8-10 King James Version 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH, BUT THAT ALL SHOULD COME TO REPENTANCE. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
First Joel made his money by writing books. Nothing wrong with that! You know nothing of women and their plight but will try to manipulate them in a flash I see. It doesn't work.
Yeah the God of Mamón! I'm literally dirt poor but all my needs are met! I don't need a lot of money because I have learned to ask and to receive! It's amazing how blessed I am! You have to come see what I live in! Lol i also have learned to listen to the holy spirits voice and guidance.
The challanges of organized religion is the inherit "tribes" it creates and the division that stems from the us and them paradigm. If religious leaders created a narratives that all faith demand recognition and respect the world would be a more peaceful place. The lack of understanding between different religions ,customs and traditions create it's own prejudice. Education is the key to understanding and respect for others, that is a basis for Christan and infact all religious beliefs.
@M S And its this perspective that undermines the principals of not only Christianity but of common decency. Not sure if you travel much I have and seen other cultures and religions, the common thread to all the people I have met and respect is humanity, common respect and putting others before oneself. I guess if that is a ticket to Hell , well at least I would be in good company.
@M S I certainly respect your the right to stand up for what you believe in, but as a Christian your comment "All but one are false. Jesus is our Savior, he isn't a religion, he died for us. You don't have to believe in him, he gave you free will. Just know that if you don't believe, you will go to Hell" is inherently disrespectful. I have friends with many diverse religious backgrounds and I was was brought up a Catholic so if we look for a common thread as Jesus would teach "Thou shall love thy neighbor as thy self". Asian if heaven is only a place for narrow minds and hard hearts, I will be happy with the sinners.
@M S You are right, it would a mistake for me to suggest your not allowed your opinion, that is disrespectful. The point I was making initially is that deeply entrenched beliefs of Christianity or any other religion for that matter creates its own bias and in fact resentment and prejudice. Tribalism has been the driving force behind most wars so the less "Us versus Them" we have in the world all the better.
This guy’s presentation destroyed any truth he might have possessed. I’m a Christian, and I’m more than willing to listen to different schools of thought. However, his use of his hands and facial expressions were so distracting, that I couldn’t absorb the content of his his messages. So, I closed my eyes, but was still unable to decipher the heart of his argument, even though you tried to direct him with your questions.
I'm not a Christian, however I like Joel Osteen. He doesn't ask for money he tries to sell you his books and he has a tv deal. His product is hope and a devine plan for your life, similar to Paulo Coelho's "The Alchemist". He's nothing more than a Jesus based motivational speaker.
King Salomon was the richest king in Israel and he sacrificed babies in God's temple. And even more, he didn't repent. He probably went to Hell. Of Jesus, the Bible says that while rich, made himself poor and humble himself. Of Peter and John, it says, they had no silver or gold. John the Baptist lived homeless in the desert eating whatever, Honey and crasshapers. Jesus advocates for the poor and said, it's easier to pass a Camel through the eje of a middle than for a rich to enter God's kingdom. The prosperity Gospel is not from God, but from men. Paula White knows Trump from long ago. This has nothing to do with God calling anyone.
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These people grift right in the open, with little apprehension, or fear of retribution. Its downright criminal that Olsteen received 4.4 million in PPP.😡
JO 🐍!!!
@K L Seriously
The real church is not a building. It is inside the hearts of God's people. The people are the church. Amen.
Natalie gore......Amen...and once you found the true church, you wouldn't step into a building called "church"..
People wake up and discover the Ekklesia that Jesus Christ (and Him alone is building)..and be a lively stone...🙏
finally someone says something meaningful on here.
What about the Bible & it's flaws?
@@fvdj2204 Name two of it's flaws
@@cj8172 One big flaw is that Abraham's willingness to kill his son is portrayed as a virtue. Yes, yes, yes, I know he was stopped from following through but that is really beside the point. His willingness is portrayed as a virtue and not a flaw.
There are many other acts by humans that are truly horrific that are portrayed as virtuous. Lott's willingness to let his daughters be gang raped to protect angels is portrayed as a virtue. Couldn't angels protect themselves?
Moses was supposedly ordered to wipe out the Midianianites. He did so except for virgin girls. Yes, all wiped out except for the virgin girls. An entire people --- gone.
Oh, and as for the entire premise of the New Testament ... why wouldn't God be able to simply forgive humanity without allowing an innocent person to die a horrible tortuous death? Why is blood necessary for forgiveness?
I questioned this doctrine when my husband and I first got married. I was told the fact that my family I believed in Jesus, I wasn’t saved. Then the demands for money got intense. We were beyond poor, very young with a small baby. They demanded money. Having financial difficulties? It’s because you’re not tithing. Have a handicapped daughter, your fault!!! Oh you tithed and gave back tithes like they demanded? It’s some sort of “hidden sin”!!! Better pray and ask God to reveal to you “where you are sinning”!!! There was no way to win with these people. I saw and heard of folks dying of medical issues that could have been fixed with doctors but they refused to go because of an extreme “health” version of this. It totally ignored and negates the use and practice of Grace towards the poor, the sick, the broken. It’s a cruel spirit ran by the devil and I don’t know what side you think you’re on it’s the wrong one.
My brother tickled my mind with this question: "If you are in debt and tithe, aren't you tithing the Bank's money?" Get out of debt first, then tithe your own money. You're already tithing to the bank in interest. And before tithing to the motivational speaker called pastor, maybe rather give to the poor and needy around you. Matthew 25 doesn't end with: "...as much as you did/ did not do it for the pastor...", it ends with: "...as much as you did/ did not do it to these least of people, you did (-not do-) it to Me."
Evangelicals are a greedy antichrist cult, thanks for confirming what others have said.
Wow. Sounds like “the Way International”. Been there. Sorry for what you and we went through. It wasn’t of God.
Spot on❤THANK YOU
Someone pointed out to me once that Joel Osteen is more of a motivational speaker than he is a preacher.
Smart on Joel's part to call himself a preacher he can be tax exempt now.
Constant focus on your goals motivates you to achieve them, no god or magical thinking is required. Introducing god mainly helps the pastor’s tax situation as he gets you to accept tithing-Osteen has $40 million in his bank account....Watching these supposedly religious evangelicals fawn over a conman like Trump has not just turned me off christianity, but now I see christianity is a system of self delusion. If you just inserted another name instead of the word god you can easily see it. Thank Zeus....without Zeus we can accomplish nothing...people see right away that it’s bs.
@@sw6118 Osteen is also a con man as well as Agent Orange.
Osteen is a grifter and his "flock" can't see it.
God gave us His word, we don't need all these self helpers to guide us. Follow what Jesus said. These false prophets will indeed see God's judgement.
Spot on
I like the fact you bring on people with conflicting views from your own. We need more people who are willing to do this.
Couldn't have said this better myself.
Unfortunately it seems to be lost on many subs who'd rather not be disturbed in their echo chamber. I really do appreciate this channel for that though.
God's plan of salvation: believe on the Lord Jesus and thou shall be saved! He is the Son of God. He arose from the dead ascended to heaven and is alive forever more!
In that case we should reinstall the fairness doctrine
@@fayebradford5763 - Your mythology is no more or less true than any of the others. Its all just human efforts at interpretation of the inscrutable. I prefer the Hindu version; far more reflective of reality for me.
God is not about money. What God wants is us to want him. To be close to our Lord Jesus.
Which introduces money to many "Christians".
In history, religion was always aligned with power and money. I guess people forgot that Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple. Unfortunately, religion does not reflect the values of the person whose life is based on their beliefs.
The modern organized church is totally missing the high mark of the calling of Christ Jesus. The love of money....
You mean that the murderous church of the past with their bloody evangelization cruzades was better?
I'm being conservative 99% of all the churches out there false prophets
@@angel77503 Well there are several churches. What murderous church do you mean? You are talking the anti Christ, anti Bible, power hungry, state churches? These churches are easily recognized by earthly forms of organization. They have vast capital holdings, complex infrastructures, and are a more often concerned with the kingdoms of earth.
Or the real church which is the body of believers in Christ alone joined together across vast cultural and class divides by the love of God. This church is more concerned with reconciling sinful man to Holy God through the sacrifice of Jesus and often finds itself the first victim of the previous church.
So are talking one, all , or none?
@@jessicageerligs339 im talking in Christianity in general all the things you mention like anti christ anti bible etc shows you have fabricated in your mind a sense of purity in the church that doesnt exist period
Catholic. Evangelicals. Jehovas witnesses etc. They have proven themselves to be crooked in their roots from bloody evangelization campaigns to using the religion for monetary and political gains
This guy is able to link history, economics, religion, and the American Dream in an astounding way. Bravo!
What profit is it that a man should gain the whole world and in it himself be lost. You can't worship both God and money. It's easier to thread a camel through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven. Seek for yourself treasures in heaven. Roosters have roosts and birds have nests but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head. Money is the root of all kinds of evil. He who makes himself last will be made first in the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are the poor for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Where exactly does the Bible say to seek wealth? Those quotes are just off the top of my head and it's obvious the Bible doesn't teach the pursuit of money. Capitalism is every man for himself so the the terms "Christian" and "Capitalism" don't really go together.
Capitalism also promotes reward for effort and personal responsibility. "He who refuses to work shall not eat." Justifying politics through Scripture? We can all play that game ...
Well done! Thank you
In all my life I’ve never witnessed an author so poorly summarize his own book. Good thing the host had the wherewithal to keep steering him back on track. What a mess.
Agreed. Maybe he is a writer because he isn’t a talker. Sometimes they are mutually exclusive.
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Early on the host seemed better informed than the guest author. Lehmann needs to brush his teeth more often, or is bad oral hygiene a "writers quirk"?
Some folks are better writers than speakers, just as some folks are better speakers. No mystery there.
The "Christian" Cult of Mammon.
Mammon Coming FIRST!!
These “churches” and “preachers” should be illegal. They are predators!
Jesus warned about false prophets!!
These "preachers" forget that Jesus cleared the Temple of Jerusalem of such creatures. It's gonna happen again.
@@geraldstephens6612 maybe, but another Jesus will not do the job. Revolutions are DIY
Especially the Jehovah's Witnesses. Their GB are all about robbing people of their entire lives and giving them nothing after a lifetime of serving their GB and being told by them what to do. The JW culture also protects PEDOPHILES and not children. Look up the AUSTRALIAN ROYAL COMMISSION. ITS SHAMEFUL. RELIGION IS ALL ABOUT CONTROLLING PEOPLE AND IS A BUSINESS. These religious leaders and everyone connected to them are abusing the members. Bottom line. The WRATH OF GOD WILL BE ON ALL FALSE LEADERS. Can't wait for that day to come. So many are lying and misleading people for the sake of money 💰.
@@teresagan8723 DEUTERONOMY 18 : 20-22
Finally! A libertarian called out these evangelicaliscams!
Osteen says people just send him $90 million dollars a year for no reason at all.
This speaks Volumes for what he values. And how Jesus said to the rich man "sell everything you have and follow me" doesn't seem to matter. Thanks.
@@bicyclist2 never underestimate the power of greed. The rich man of Luke 16:19-31 didn’t realize what greed would cost him till he met God.
This morass came from Calvinism and the work ethic. If one was poor it was their fault. Get laid off from your job? It’s your fault, you weren’t spiritual enough. Medical bills getting you down? You are to blame. You don’t have enough faith. It’s a blame the victim mentality.
Spot on!
Could you explain a bit more? I thought Calvinists blamed God for everything.
Christ himself refuted that kind of thinking.
Have you ever read Calvin?
I thought that Calvin believed in predestination.
They are not Christian, he never even mentions Jesus Christ
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All of these prosperity pimps will be held accountable for their actions on judgement day
Amen!
Buyer beware! Accountability occurs during life. Death is the end. Back to atoms!
I’m impatient. I want them held accountable here and now.
All of us will be held accountable for our words and works in the Judgement.
Ever think they know there's no such thing as judgement, that's why they don't fear judgment for their actions of basically stealing, by using fake religion ~
You will never hear Joel Osteen speak of Hell it would bring down his ratings.🤨
And, rightly so!!! Teaching kids (and adults) to be scared out of their minds, thinking that if they do anything that’s considered to be sinful, they’re going to FRY or ROAST in flames of fire forever and ever simply because they wasn’t absolutely perfect is paramount to child abuse. I now have Complex PTSD because of the cult I used to go to. Christianity is nothing but a fear based religion!!! And, it does a ton of damage to kids (and adults). And, besides, according to the man made bible of yours, hell I’d simply the grave. Jesus was in hell for 3 days and 3 nights!!! Was He roasting in fire and brimstone?!!? Was Jesus being tortured?!!? NO!!! But, He was put inside the tomb (the grave). And, the bible uses words like, “perish” to describe the condition of the “lost,” and Ecclesiastes 9:5 says that “the living know that they are shall die, but as for the dead, they know NOTHING, and neither have any more reward.” And, according to the man made bible, you ARE a soul. You don’t HAVE a soul!!! Hell, as we know it today, was an invention of the Church to scare the crap out of people so that THEY can control the masses. And, it definitely worked for a while. Fear is always a very powerful motivator!!! But, is that what God Almighty wants?!!? For us to be terrified of Him?!!? NO, I don’t think so!!! God is love!!! He’s compassionate!!! He cares!!! He’s NOT the sadistic monster that people make Him out to be!!! Just saying!!! And, yeah, the doctrines of hell just makes more and more people want to leave the so-called Church. And, of course, all the extremely greedy preachers, too, nowadays. Disgusting!!! Teaching kids to fear God and hell and pretty much everything else in this life is paramount to horrible, horrible child abuse. I was one of those kids that grew up emotionally, psychologically and spiritually traumatized by the whole thing. And, that’s what YOU wanna have taught and drilled into the brains of our children and other adults?!!? That would make YOU feel good (happy)?!!? WOW!!!
@@davidsimons1832 Im not sure if Christianity is fear based, seeing that the biggest commandment in the Bible was about love. I think a lot of people put down their Bible and forgot to pray, leading to a smorgis-borg of people who fall under a blanket term Christian.
@@jeevunvethanayagam6536 No, the Bible says fear NOT 365 times throughout the whole Bible. Just saying that a LOT of the so-called Churches (or cults) like, for instance, the Pentecostal Churches (and, not even ALL of them, probably) thrive on trying to scare the hell out of people, and then totally controlling them and manipulating them through fear. Gloom and doom type of Churches!!! Ya know what I mean?!!? And, I went to a United Pentecostal Church, myself. Same exact cult that the late Reverend Jim Jones used to be a member of before starting his own cult and killing his congregation by giving them the famous cyanide laced Kool Aid drink. They control the people through total fear!!! Well, and guilt, shame, the threat of ETERNAL suffering, damnation and on and on. They actually get off on scaring the living crap out of people. I heard that they are just like the military, and they totally break you down, and then build you back up, but THIS time, the way that THEY want you to be. You’re TOTALLY brainwashed and indoctrinated in no time at all!!! They’re MASTERS at emotional manipulation!!! Extremely abusive cult!!! I now have Complex PTSD because of this fear based cult!!! Horrible, horrible anxiety, depression, flashbacks, etc., etc., etc., Should be illegal to do that to people (especially kids who they love to prey on, because the younger they get control over them, the more brainwashed and indoctrinated they can get them, and when they are really young, they just trust them because they are told that the preachers are men of god, and that THEY look out for your soul. Hope you see what I’m trying to say. And, hopefully, you can understand where I’m coming from.
@@davidsimons1832 I see. I was quite sad to hear about the experience. Without a doubt a person must love God and navigate a way to keep his commandments. Fear might motivate a person for a moment but love is necessary to have a good life.
@@jeevunvethanayagam6536 I agree with you!!! It’s just that they totally terrify everybody there, and use highly emotional music, preaching, etc., to get ya all worked up. And, that’s what I have major problems with. Have Complex PTSD because of this cult!!! And, thanks!!! It’s been a long, long time now since I’ve been out of the cult, and I’m still having tons of problems. I have Autism and ADHD and that just made everything so much worse for me. People who have those conditions also experience things so much more intensely to begin with, and then the cult works and works on ya to get ya just as emotional as they can possibly get ya. It’s been a horrible, horrible nightmare!!! And, couldn’t (at that time) even tell (or communicate) with my Mom and Dad what the cult was doing to me because I wasn’t even sure what was going on and what it was really doing to me. I was totally oblivious to what was going on because of being so brainwashed and indoctrinated, and also because of the Autism and the ADHD. And, the Complex PTSD!!! Everything was just extremely traumatizing!!! They actually built another Church just to take care of the people who used to go to my former cult, believe it or not. They called it the ER Church!!! They said it was like an Emergency Room for those who’ve been horribly abused and hurt by the United Pentecostal Church. Anyways, I’m doing a LOT better than I was when I first quit going there. But, still have horrible anxiety and depression, flashbacks, etc., from having gone there for so long. Ya know what I mean?!!? 😢
“Spiritual things are spiritually discerned.”
And the best book to read is the Bible.
Personal experience with Lakewood Church and Joel Osteen I used to tithe to that church I grew up in Houston I've given thousands and thousands of dollars to that church they were one of my biggest tax write-offs for many many years there's a lady that came to our city and to the church while she was there in town she had cancer she was coming for a 2-day treatment at the MD Anderson hospital in Houston she was sleeping in her car because she used all the money she had to drive there from out of state for gas and she did not have a place to stay for those 2 days while we're at church told her to go talk to the office and ask them to help her because I know that they have benevolence fund and they have relationships with hotels with grocery stores with all kinds of businesses in order to be able to help people and they did a discount for those things anyway she had her paperwork showing that she had in fact Aaron appointment for the next 2 days for this treatment at MD Anderson hospital she had a day with her she had prescriptions with her she went and talked to them and they said oh I'm sorry we can't help you and they gave her a half of a pumpkin pie a half of a pumpkin pie you know how store sell single slices of hi and sometimes I even saw a half of a pie and that's what they gave her a close to Holiday half of a pie because they were giving it by a grocery store who gives those things that are coming close to pole day to food banks and churches I'm just one of many people who just thousands and thousands of dollars to that church I do it because people are more likely to go there than to come to me personally since I don't have access to that many people to get help and I trusted that they were helping people I promptly stopped giving to that church after that that was just a gross gross horrible way to show God's love and I think I should be ashamed of themselves
I’m out of breath!
Full stops my friend, full stops.
Full stops and coherent sentences.
Joyce Meyers, Elevation church, john gray all scammers using Gods word out of context to suit their own feelings/ wants.
if there is a god, and i stress the word if strongly, an athiest has a much greater chance of entering the kingdom of heaven than any televangelist because the atheist did not use the bible to become rich beyond his wildest dreams...'' i'd say god is gonna be pissed at ya joel.''.
You can change religion to fit any view you want, up to and especially including the slaughter of millions in the name of god. That's why it's better to stay atheist, you will leave the Earth will a much lighter soul.
Excellent interview. I mean, just when I've written off Reason as Libertarian claptrap. Nicely done. Balanced and fair. Yadda yadda.
This video was 4 years ago
So...they no longer do videos like this?
@@RonReederDigstheUniverse It's pretty hit or miss these days. Lots of misses
Drat.
The "Misses" Institute ;)
Inside every Saul, there's a Paul waiting and hoping to come out.
This is one of the most informative and profound interviews that I have heard in a long time.
Where do I go to here more of these type interviews? Thanks.
I think that I might be more libertarian than I previously thought.
To many “you knows” to take this guy seriously
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They're all "grifters".
Osteen does not preach the whole bible. I don't listen to him anymore.
Thank you everyone involved for publishing this video. :)
Nick Gillespie is one of the best interviewers I've ever seen! Well done, great conversation. Thank you!!
ALL these evangelicals shou;d be ashamed unless they repent they will not gain heaven there is scripture for that God will judge
I read another scripture about a meal overflowing. About a friend feeding another. A scripture even more compelling than the Bible or Koran. The fable of the "Green Eggs and Ham". I find just as much reason to adhere to it than to your silly, little, invisible, and imaginary friend's book.
This was great. My one concern is how the middle was so blithely dismissed, and indeed denigrated. There are many people like me who have great respect and sympathy for libertarian views but view them as either too extreme in practice or which cannot be achieved in undiluted form - hence the needs for civility, compromise and competence. The extremes of both the left and the right, and the failure to find common ground, is what ails the United States far more than lack of political or philosophical purity.
I agree about what you said regarding philosophical and political purity, and would like to add that it would be nice if spiritual, biblical purity was practiced, especially in a time where everyone is confused and looking East for answers (as an Indian, we dont really have them).
Unbeliever: “This is what Christians should think and prioritize. See how they fall short.”
We REALLY need civil, intellectual conversations like this these days- four years after this video.
I don't see Christ at all in these people
I dont think this is a Christian discussion. They are secular people talking about the impact of modern Christiams on economic principles.
When Trump said he has no need to ask God for forgiveness, that threw him out there way beyond any resemblance of anything Christian. And then when he talked about the two Corinthians...
Ah yes, religion is a business.
Getting expensive college degree to cualify as minister, expensive buildings, and talented, but unholy musicians have contributed to church's corruption.
A successful wealthy once. Trump loved that
The disciples of Jesus marveled when he said it's hard for a rich man to enter the KIngdom of Heaven because they thought richness was s sign of God's blessings. Maybe this stemmed from how God blessed King Solomon.
They asked, Who then can be saved?
If you played the "you know" drinking game you'd end up in the emergency room getting your stomach pumped lol you know?
I left the church because he became too secularists and perverted chasing money instead of truth.
Wow...I gotta read this Book...Facinating
Here's a lesson. Two men on either end of the political landscape can sit and talk. Wonderful but haunting in it's rarity
562 hours left for Trump--- HALLELUJAH
"If preachers are so smart why aren't they rich?"
I use to hear Joel Osteen but got the message he was all about how much money the people would donate to him which I have never believe on donating to such people even when they tell the people if you donate God will give you more. One can figure out right away when they are about money to make them wealthy. Although some people are perhaps like sheep and believe these false prophets. We don't need such preachers to believe in God and follow the bible that God left. How can they determine where people are going to heaven or hell when they don't know where they are going themselves for lying and deceiving the people.
My ex wife wanted to see him on your so we went.. Funny thing, ticket prices and then collection plates. I was like WOW
Same with 99.9 of TBN, & CBN, scammers.
So no one going to ask him about how trump literally donates his entire presidential stipend to charity?
Brilliant information
Don't follow man only God my father.Trump is not God
The Venus Project is a non-profit organization that recognizes the important connection between global resource mismanagement and problems such as war, climate change, poverty, and hunger. In the broader context, these are all detrimental results of the current socio-economic operating system.
You know, you must know , how irritating it is to you know, have someone keep telling you, ya You Know? I’m sorry but I can’t listen and not be able to say to you No I Don’t Know!
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Wow he really nails it. Odd how level headed SOME nonbelievers are about the perversions of faith, especially Christianity, and the fetishizing of economics/capitalism/work.
If you replaced "The Holy Bible" with "The Rules of Acquisition" (the Ferengi bible from Star Trek) most of the preachers in 'Merica wouldn't even notice.
Even this guy isn't saying that "Prosperity Gospel" is mainstream within Christianity.
. . . . Thank God.
We all...christian / non-christian... need to be remember that Jesus is very, very, rich and was very, very rich when he was on earth. Nobody has ever, ever been richer than Jesus Christ...nobody. The Scriptures states He Became poor...so that we could become rich...not always rich in money. As a believer in Jesus teachings... I would rather see my kids richer than me..
This video is part of a sublime effort to associate money in religion as something negative.... every organization needs money to function and be able to help people.... HOW the money is used is the real story.... there is no reason pastors can not live in a large mansion of sorts and have a private jet if they are travelling all the time , if they have become celebrities and giving away large amounts of money to help people.
I do love when Athiests tell you what "real christianity" is.
They DO NOT call it the property gospel for no reason at all, also look into the word of faith movement and those behind them including the people who brought these preachers up before they started this stuff! It goes back quite a ways.
The title talks about Donald Trump and the evangelical "money cult," but this bit is mostly about "the money cult." I would have appreciated more in-depth analysis of how Donald Trump intersects with the prosperity gospel. Lehmann introduces the subject by talking about Trump's religious pedigree, and a bit on his charitable giving (not so much), but leaves it at that. How does his campaign reflect this idea of Christianity? How is he viewed among different Christian sects, positive or negative? I would've liked to have heard more about that from him.
Yeah, seemed more like a click-bait tactic more than anything. Wasn't really that focused on Donald.
Do a little research on Paula White, Trump's "spiritual advisor." Can't get much more prosperity gospel than that.
When a man or woman becomes a believer in Jesus...you have won...you are unbelievably rich...even though you may be dirt poor. The Scriptures clearly state you have inherited all the spiritual blessings...found in the letter of Ephesians (New Testament). A dirt poor man / woman have just as much access to God...thru Jesus Christ... as any pastor /priest.
Satan said ..fall down and worship me ..and I will give u the kingdoms of this world ...
We should be able to recognize that the prosperity gospel is about filling the coffers, if this prosperity gospel is so effective why don't those preachers go to the poorest of the poor countries to preach this?
Praise Yeshua
"You know."
🤬😡🤬🥵Six hundred dollars????i need a job!!!!😷☹️🙁😫😖😣😷😷
The blessing of the Lord, it maketh rich, and he addeth no sorrow with it. proverbs 10:22
not only did you interview a differing opinion, you actually interviewed him. you didn't get bogged down in debate. you kept it professional&on topic. hats off to you! (see cenk vs karen interview "JUST ADMIT IT OR MAKE ME A GODDAMN SANDWICH!!")
Ha the market is Satan's den!! Remember what Jesus did and said to the moneychangers!
The money changers today are alive and well in the oligarchy of the House of Clinton. Hillary too claims to be a person of faith when it suits her.
I'd suggest that had this country stuck to using honest weight and measures as biblically commanded, it would not keep suffering these economic bubbles. When the currency bubble implodes it is going to be very ugly.
Adherence to shemita year debt forgiveness is worthy of consideration.
Thought that was about charging for religious services? It's analogous to the predatory megachurches and televangelists, doesn't really have anything to do with the secular market, right?
I have no idea if you guys are serious or sarcastic though, lol.
The Bible is clear. Worship God or money.... No other way to see this.
Remove their 501(c)3 status. Then you'll see what's real Christianity.
@@BonnieBlue2A - The Money-Changers were the first-line of the wealthy Elite Jews - Pharisees, and Rabbi's who fleeced the devoted. The only change in modern times is that the children of those Jews lost Religion, became secular...and created a new religion based on CAPITAL, and Money-lending at INTEREST! It's called - BANKING!
Calling American Evangelicalism "gnostic" is to make gnostic a meaningless term.
Surely you remove their religious tax code they want Jesus to his face!!!!
Not a fan of missionaries. As an Anthropologist, I see mission work as antithetical to cultural relativism. One cannot not actually respect another culture while trying to subvert its basic beliefs. I find proselytizing offensive.
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If our archeologists of today, dug up the ruins of one of our huge marble floored, gilded plaster walled with massive pillars, of one of our city banks they would be calling it a "Temple".
And some say that the evangelitans built a huge empire with globs of jello. 🥣🍧🍚
The Pilgrims of Massachusetts were a tough, judgmental, superstitious lot and very much dependent upon each other for their survival in the wilderness; success measured by material gain, evidence of God's blessings. Today's Osteen Christian is "married" to the material distractions of the 21st century while really not needing each other to survive in today's wilderness...
College educated American: Very interesting discourse! Trump supporter: WTF?????
What does he do for others, they do not bring the good news just critical. Water is free but the plumbing is not, same with the gospel it costs money to bring the news to people. Jesus came to give us abundant life. I want to hear it from someone who has experience and lived it.
Because people have no hope anymore. Facebook’s originator, google....all tear people apart.......so you what is the difference.
the republican party definitely molted.
Famous Americans Unforgetable Quotes
December 8 1941 President Franklin D. Roosevelt
"Yesterday, December 7, 1941-a date which will live in infamy."
January 20 1961 John F. Kennedy
"And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
August 28 1963 Martin Luther King
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
March 16 2016 Donald J. Trump
“I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things."
In the early Church and even in Jewish old theology, the issue of money and preaching God's Word was settled, it was a sign of a failed prophet. Also selfishness. My point is this issue is not new. Paul dealt with it and Peter in
Sorry sir, joe is not even a under shepherd ( pastor) in the eyes of the divine Shepherd( Jesus ). He is leading the people to hell away from the cross. Jesus is really anger at Joe, but also Jesus open his wide arms to accept Joe as long as Joe repent from his evil ways. Please, joe is not pastor. The Bible called these kind of men wicked. My hope that Christ will one day soon save Joe, and become under shepherd of Jesus’ flock.🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
2 Peter 3:8-10
King James Version
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH, BUT THAT ALL SHOULD COME TO REPENTANCE.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
"ye know ye know ye know" !!
Jesus was a Progressive.
He sure was
@@viktormartinez1405 also Gods son
"Jesus was a communist, Jesus was a pacifist" - Reagan Youth
jesus is the son of god
Its nice to see opposition views on this channel.
Good comment below about these pastors part of organized crime now. Sad.
"There is a miracle in your mouth"
First Joel made his money by writing books. Nothing wrong with that! You know nothing of women and their plight but will try to manipulate them in a flash I see. It doesn't work.
Yeah the God of Mamón! I'm literally dirt poor but all my needs are met! I don't need a lot of money because I have learned to ask and to receive! It's amazing how blessed I am! You have to come see what I live in! Lol i also have learned to listen to the holy spirits voice and guidance.
It's all part of their American fantasy world in which they strive to live.
The challanges of organized religion is the inherit "tribes" it creates and the division that stems from the us and them paradigm.
If religious leaders created a narratives that all faith demand recognition and respect the world would be a more peaceful place. The lack of understanding between different religions ,customs and traditions create it's own prejudice. Education is the key to understanding and respect for others, that is a basis for Christan and infact all religious beliefs.
@M S And its this perspective that undermines the principals of not only Christianity but of common decency. Not sure if you travel much I have and seen other cultures and religions, the common thread to all the people I have met and respect is humanity, common respect and putting others before oneself. I guess if that is a ticket to Hell , well at least I would be in good company.
@M S I certainly respect your the right to stand up for what you believe in, but as a Christian your comment "All but one are false. Jesus is our Savior, he isn't a religion, he died for us. You don't have to believe in him, he gave you free will. Just know that if you don't believe, you will go to Hell" is inherently disrespectful. I have friends with many diverse religious backgrounds and I was was brought up a Catholic so if we look for a common thread as Jesus would teach "Thou shall love thy neighbor as thy self". Asian if heaven is only a place for narrow minds and hard hearts, I will be happy with the sinners.
@M S You are right, it would a mistake for me to suggest your not allowed your opinion, that is disrespectful. The point I was making initially is that deeply entrenched beliefs of Christianity or any other religion for that matter creates its own bias and in fact resentment and prejudice. Tribalism has been the driving force behind most wars so the less "Us versus Them" we have in the world all the better.
Amen
No one is responsible for their own salvation. Jesus is the Savior whose sacrifice will get you to heaven IF you believe.
Well, if evangelicals are right, it is up to us to "accept" Jesus. So salvation is in the end our responsibility, no if and, buts.
Secular christens are more common than cultural christens.
This guy’s presentation destroyed any truth he might have possessed. I’m a Christian, and I’m more than willing to listen to different schools of thought. However, his use of his hands and facial expressions were so distracting, that I couldn’t absorb the content of his his messages. So, I closed my eyes, but was still unable to decipher the heart of his argument, even though you tried to direct him with your questions.
Lmao it sounds like you have a problem with listening and comprehension then
That's definitely a demon...
I thought that guy was harry osborne lol
I'm not a Christian, however I like Joel Osteen. He doesn't ask for money he tries to sell you his books and he has a tv deal. His product is hope and a devine plan for your life, similar to Paulo Coelho's "The Alchemist". He's nothing more than a Jesus based motivational speaker.
Such and such will be added on to you ...
King Salomon was the richest king in Israel and he sacrificed babies in God's temple. And even more, he didn't repent. He probably went to Hell.
Of Jesus, the Bible says that while rich, made himself poor and humble himself. Of Peter and John, it says, they had no silver or gold.
John the Baptist lived homeless in the desert eating whatever, Honey and crasshapers.
Jesus advocates for the poor and said, it's easier to pass a Camel through the eje of a middle than for a rich to enter God's kingdom.
The prosperity Gospel is not from God, but from men.
Paula White knows Trump from long ago. This has nothing to do with God calling anyone.
Mrs White looks and sounds like she is possessed by the devil. ( If you believe, if not, she sounds and looks like she is a manipulator)
This guy critisizing everyone