Informative video. I disagree with your statement of 200 lbs of load for each safety line. Shock loading in the event of a failure of the swing stage would result in a shock load in the thousands of pounds. The socks are for line protection, a shock load event could sever a safety line on a sharp corner. Still working as a steeplejack for 55 years and counting. (I started very young)
Something I'd like to clarify is that as you indicate the "yellow socks" on e the safety lines and similar for the beam tie-back cables where they go over the roof edge. Those "socks" wouldn't do much to protect the roof edges. There needs to be wood or something similar to spread the load out rather than having all that weight digging in being that cables are typically 3/8" and safety ropes are 3/4". But most importantly, those "socks" are to protect the ropes from chaffing on those metal edges. Those safety ropes are expensive and need to be cared for and inspected daily. We usually used 2 to 3 ft sections of 3/4" I.D. contractor grade water hose. Roof edge protectors, and for parapits, we'd use 2 peices of 3/4" plywood screwed together forming a 90 degree angle. Add another price to form a "U" shape for stucco parapits. Seen many parapits and safety lines ruined by unprotected lines cutting through from not having proper planning/ execution.
Also, some buildings have sockets or "davits" that are built into the roof so they can use specially designed crane type outriggers that can be taken down to move around the perimeter of the roof and then stored up on roof when not in use. But like you mentioned, they need inspections or recertification for use if they haven't been utilized in a while. Which in itself is expensive, so many people just bring up the beams and counter weights and just use the davits as tiebacks.
In downtown Chicago we always used 5/16 wire rope and usually used 5/8 safety lines. Carrying a 5 or 6 hundred foot section of 5/16 up the stairs to the roof was about all I could manage. I don't think I could pick 500' of 3/8 up off the ground. Sometimes we used pieces of hose to protect our safeties but we usually used carpet on everything. We pretty much never ran anything over the opposite wall of a building, everything stayed on the roof. And, I saw plenty of buildings with davits but never once worked off of one, we always had to drag our own rigging to the roof. That's okay though, I trust my life to my rigging. Those davits, not so much. I've also hung off of many parapet hooks, which he didn't touch on, and worked rope stages numerous times. I wonder if OSHA still allows those.
Yeah this dude is the worst kind of idiot. One that thinks they're smart. You could tell he only half knows what he's talking a out and all the while filming OSHA violations all over the place. My favorite is the guy on the stage by himself standing on the mid rail. Christ give the guy a heads up before you film.
I have no desire to do this type of work (I was a pro painter for many years, but stayed and still stay as close to the ground as possible), but as a construction pro it is cool to see how other trades get their jobs done. Thanks for showing us some cool engineering. Your video is great and doesn't have the made up drama that engineering/building shows on TV tend to use.
It’s a great job Mechanical Rigging and Industrial Abseiling. Takes you around the world. You get to play with toys, jump off buildings, structures etc. I love my job. It pays awesome and you get to do really interesting things. Plus take long holidays to do anything. When I was a kid I climbed everything. Doesn’t have an age cap if your fit. In NZ and Australia a lot of wahine in the trades.
@@spindleblood Maori Te Reo.(language) Woman, age etc kuia to indicate older female relative. In the context of my comments I’m a Maori male. I was thinking how do I not come across as a condescending male by saying the woman I’ve worked with, are also Riggers, Industrial abseilers etc. It just didn’t convey the respect in our unique industry. Of the 29 industrial abseilers registered in NZ when I was working. Over 1/3 were wahine. On-site so many electricians, engineers, welders etc.
🤣I’m a Rigger, Steeplejack, Scaffolder and Industrial Rope Access Tech. Heavy lifts and demolition. I installed swing stages to code at least once every 2 weeks. Busy weeks daily. Then inspections, resets etc.🤣 This is hilarious. An engineer would not be involved at this level in the design in NZ. However it would have to pass inspection. Bigger higher contracts yes. I noticed a few things not up to code for NZ and Australia.
I daresay as a layperson that seeing the principle of how it works, and the different layers of protection, make me feel a lot better about them. I'd be willing to go up in a properly set up one now ... not sure I would have before lol.
@@AlohaChips Properly set up as in up to code. NZ & Ozzy code difference is shackles and safety rope. Buildings create their own wind. What’s happening on the 7 floor is not the same as 26th or 70th. I’ve been called crazy by the contractors using the swing stages many times on resets etc. I’ve been blown out over traffic like a big swing(😁fun) All those counter weights, a lot of buildings us mugin’s hauled them up flights of stairs by hand. I think that there should be an overhaul of the codes of practices in Florida. Particularly building inspections.Swing stage literally SWINGS.
Dude I operated a stage on the build of BNZ tower on Queen St Auckland. I was 19 and had to stop the riggers from straddling the corner to "save time ". They were no more clued up than me at 19. Got into a fist fight with the guy that was running the other motor and knocked him cold 14 floors up. Things were different back then.
@@kiwibob223 I got my tickets in Australia. Went through the whole OHSA thing. TAFE plus log books. They actually started breath testing crane drivers. Prior to that it was how big your balls were. Our company set up most of the stages in Auckland when I worked in NZ. We were still inspected. Riggers are not supposed to walk steel. Steeplejacks with Industrial abseiling qualifications are allowed to walk steel. Most riggers I know are pretty clued in with multiple other trade qualifications. Saving time is for when no one is looking. I started when I was 15 roofing on the weekends and school holidays. I’m 60. Things are no different now, I still get in fights with the odd smart arse. Usually someone who isn’t part of the crew. We all know each other. Edit: My boss was one of the rigger’s who built BNZ towers, in fact 3 of my bosses worked on that. There were no swing stages they were walking steel. Meanwhile I was part time rigging setting up stages for touring bands. While I think you encountered a wannabe rigger. There is definitely no way any of the boys would fight anyone on-site. Plus I know that Eric, Tony and Bob were not the dudes who would be operating a swing stage or you could fight. I set up the swing stages for 2004 work. The thing is I get an adrenaline buzz just talking about work. I can name every building, Sky work rigging, demo I’ve done. As can everyone I worked with. I’ve worked on some jobs where I was the only rigger. No one died and if they got hurt it was because they wouldn’t listen to me. Only 2 in 40 plus year’s, both kiwi’s, both pakeha know it all’s. Thankfully most of us just go hard because we’re kiwis and we have a reputation for hard mahi. So pakeha or Maori doesn’t count, KIWI GETS IT DONE. That’s your resume all around the world.
Started following your channel after Surfside. But this is still very interesting. I think many of us don't realize how much actually goes into building work.
Is there much or any Florida coastline that is not big ugly buildings at this point? Seems like the entire coast is mainly just building after building. People Storage Units.
Great video, thank you! I wonder, is there some safety system in place to stop the stages from swinging due to strong winds? Also, are BMU systems commonly in Florida? Maybe only for commercial buildings?
Working on 2 different buildings with a swing. 1st build is weights, beams, and 30 ft board doing balcony repairs. 2nd building is a davit system 26ft board cutting out and replacing caulk. Davit system is so much better, don't have to carry all the weights and beams up to the roof.
How much does each of those counterbalance weight plates weigh? Looks like it would be a LOT of work getting them and all the rest of the beams etc. up to the roof. A giant Sikorsky helicopter would be nice.
They weigh 50 pounds each. You carry them up the stairs two at a time, one in each hand. Yea, it's a lot of work. I would always tell my guys "We're rigging tomorrow, so make sure you eat your Wheaties". I worked in downtown Chicago for years and on the really tall buildings the thing that weighed the most was the cables (wire ropes) and second was the safety ropes. You would sometimes end up with 500'+ sections you had to lug up the stairs.
I don't like the counterweight setup, or the setup in general for that matter. Seems kinda chintzy to me. It would be too easy for one of those stands to go over (I don't know if you noticed that the counterweights weren't even secured and would slide right off), or for one of those hangers supporting the counterweights to fail, which would cause that chintzy little stand to flip over. It's not that much more work to bring some pipe frames to the roof and hang the weights from the beam where they cant go anywhere. It's a much safer, more robust setup and wouldn't take much longer. If they sent us that crap setup in downtown Chicago, we would laugh and send it back.
I'm not criticizing the video. It's a good video laying out the basics of swing stage rigging, which most people don't have the slightest clue about. I just don't like the setup the contractor is using.
@@jamesbarca7229 but it's "engineered by an engineer" what a joke. This jerkoff hasn't a clue. He's got those guys hanging from a cantilevered pipe scaffolding that probably took a week to set up that's not even touching bottom for 12 feet. Freaking hang from the parapet and be done with it. What the hell do they need to the top of the tin for? Chair it if you must but to hell with that setup.
you probably cringe when you see firefighters do single slide roof rescues during fire conditions. Especially when the 'tie-off' it to other firefighters.
why arnt you in fall arrest when there is no parapet wall. guy knows all hot key words like redundancy but I guess it doesn't apply to himself, and calls rope pro " socks " lol
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Informative video. I disagree with your statement of 200 lbs of load for each safety line. Shock loading in the event of a failure of the swing stage would result in a shock load in the thousands of pounds. The socks are for line protection, a shock load event could sever a safety line on a sharp corner.
Still working as a steeplejack for 55 years and counting. (I started very young)
Can't believe how compelled I've been to watch and learn about restoring buildings. Thank you guys.
Something I'd like to clarify is that as you indicate the "yellow socks" on e the safety lines and similar for the beam tie-back cables where they go over the roof edge. Those "socks" wouldn't do much to protect the roof edges. There needs to be wood or something similar to spread the load out rather than having all that weight digging in being that cables are typically 3/8" and safety ropes are 3/4". But most importantly, those "socks" are to protect the ropes from chaffing on those metal edges. Those safety ropes are expensive and need to be cared for and inspected daily. We usually used 2 to 3 ft sections of 3/4" I.D. contractor grade water hose.
Roof edge protectors, and for parapits, we'd use 2 peices of 3/4" plywood screwed together forming a 90 degree angle. Add another price to form a "U" shape for stucco parapits. Seen many parapits and safety lines ruined by unprotected lines cutting through from not having proper planning/ execution.
Also, some buildings have sockets or "davits" that are built into the roof so they can use specially designed crane type outriggers that can be taken down to move around the perimeter of the roof and then stored up on roof when not in use.
But like you mentioned, they need inspections or recertification for use if they haven't been utilized in a while. Which in itself is expensive, so many people just bring up the beams and counter weights and just use the davits as tiebacks.
In downtown Chicago we always used 5/16 wire rope and usually used 5/8 safety lines. Carrying a 5 or 6 hundred foot section of 5/16 up the stairs to the roof was about all I could manage. I don't think I could pick 500' of 3/8 up off the ground.
Sometimes we used pieces of hose to protect our safeties but we usually used carpet on everything. We pretty much never ran anything over the opposite wall of a building, everything stayed on the roof. And, I saw plenty of buildings with davits but never once worked off of one, we always had to drag our own rigging to the roof. That's okay though, I trust my life to my rigging. Those davits, not so much. I've also hung off of many parapet hooks, which he didn't touch on, and worked rope stages numerous times. I wonder if OSHA still allows those.
Yeah this dude is the worst kind of idiot. One that thinks they're smart. You could tell he only half knows what he's talking a out and all the while filming OSHA violations all over the place. My favorite is the guy on the stage by himself standing on the mid rail. Christ give the guy a heads up before you film.
@@jamesbarca7229 you ever work with a deaf guy goes by the name Mike Erickson?
I have no desire to do this type of work (I was a pro painter for many years, but stayed and still stay as close to the ground as possible), but as a construction pro it is cool to see how other trades get their jobs done. Thanks for showing us some cool engineering. Your video is great and doesn't have the made up drama that engineering/building shows on TV tend to use.
I was a facade access consultant for a few years - but formally practice architecture full time. I love your channel!
So cool!! I learned a lot and wondered how these folks stay safe doing this stuff. Also very cool art deco building!!!
It’s a great job Mechanical Rigging and Industrial Abseiling. Takes you around the world. You get to play with toys, jump off buildings, structures etc. I love my job. It pays awesome and you get to do really interesting things. Plus take long holidays to do anything. When I was a kid I climbed everything. Doesn’t have an age cap if your fit. In NZ and Australia a lot of wahine in the trades.
@@kiwinewz2042 wahine?
@@spindleblood Maori Te Reo.(language) Woman, age etc kuia to indicate older female relative. In the context of my comments I’m a Maori male. I was thinking how do I not come across as a condescending male by saying the woman I’ve worked with, are also Riggers, Industrial abseilers etc. It just didn’t convey the respect in our unique industry. Of the 29 industrial abseilers registered in NZ when I was working. Over 1/3 were wahine. On-site so many electricians, engineers, welders etc.
🤣I’m a Rigger, Steeplejack, Scaffolder and Industrial Rope Access Tech. Heavy lifts and demolition. I installed swing stages to code at least once every 2 weeks. Busy weeks daily. Then inspections, resets etc.🤣 This is hilarious. An engineer would not be involved at this level in the design in NZ. However it would have to pass inspection. Bigger higher contracts yes. I noticed a few things not up to code for NZ and Australia.
Interesting perspective!
I daresay as a layperson that seeing the principle of how it works, and the different layers of protection, make me feel a lot better about them. I'd be willing to go up in a properly set up one now ... not sure I would have before lol.
@@AlohaChips Properly set up as in up to code. NZ & Ozzy code difference is shackles and safety rope. Buildings create their own wind. What’s happening on the 7 floor is not the same as 26th or 70th. I’ve been called crazy by the contractors using the swing stages many times on resets etc. I’ve been blown out over traffic like a big swing(😁fun) All those counter weights, a lot of buildings us mugin’s hauled them up flights of stairs by hand. I think that there should be an overhaul of the codes of practices in Florida. Particularly building inspections.Swing stage literally SWINGS.
Dude I operated a stage on the build of BNZ tower on Queen St Auckland.
I was 19 and had to stop the riggers from straddling the corner to "save time ".
They were no more clued up than me at 19.
Got into a fist fight with the guy that was running the other motor and knocked him cold 14 floors up.
Things were different back then.
@@kiwibob223 I got my tickets in Australia. Went through the whole OHSA thing. TAFE plus log books. They actually started breath testing crane drivers. Prior to that it was how big your balls were. Our company set up most of the stages in Auckland when I worked in NZ. We were still inspected. Riggers are not supposed to walk steel. Steeplejacks with Industrial abseiling qualifications are allowed to walk steel. Most riggers I know are pretty clued in with multiple other trade qualifications. Saving time is for when no one is looking. I started when I was 15 roofing on the weekends and school holidays. I’m 60. Things are no different now, I still get in fights with the odd smart arse. Usually someone who isn’t part of the crew. We all know each other.
Edit: My boss was one of the rigger’s who built BNZ towers, in fact 3 of my bosses worked on that. There were no swing stages they were walking steel. Meanwhile I was part time rigging setting up stages for touring bands. While I think you encountered a wannabe rigger. There is definitely no way any of the boys would fight anyone on-site. Plus I know that Eric, Tony and Bob were not the dudes who would be operating a swing stage or you could fight. I set up the swing stages for 2004 work. The thing is I get an adrenaline buzz just talking about work. I can name every building, Sky work rigging, demo I’ve done. As can everyone I worked with. I’ve worked on some jobs where I was the only rigger. No one died and if they got hurt it was because they wouldn’t listen to me. Only 2 in 40 plus year’s, both kiwi’s, both pakeha know it all’s. Thankfully most of us just go hard because we’re kiwis and we have a reputation for hard mahi. So pakeha or Maori doesn’t count, KIWI GETS IT DONE. That’s your resume all around the world.
Started following your channel after Surfside. But this is still very interesting. I think many of us don't realize how much actually goes into building work.
Thirty years hanging out on the side of SF hi rises with Bricklayers #7 SF and Glaziers 718 SF.
I miss it.
I had no interests for this topic at all. But your videos are so .. interesting !!!! Love them all
Is there much or any Florida coastline that is not big ugly buildings at this point? Seems like the entire coast is mainly just building after building. People Storage Units.
Great video, thank you!
I wonder, is there some safety system in place to stop the stages from swinging due to strong winds?
Also, are BMU systems commonly in Florida? Maybe only for commercial buildings?
Working on 2 different buildings with a swing. 1st build is weights, beams, and 30 ft board doing balcony repairs. 2nd building is a davit system 26ft board cutting out and replacing caulk. Davit system is so much better, don't have to carry all the weights and beams up to the roof.
Working on swingstage this week.
Great video
How much does each of those counterbalance weight plates weigh? Looks like it would be a LOT of work getting them and all the rest of the beams etc. up to the roof. A giant Sikorsky helicopter would be nice.
They weigh 50 pounds each. You carry them up the stairs two at a time, one in each hand. Yea, it's a lot of work. I would always tell my guys "We're rigging tomorrow, so make sure you eat your Wheaties". I worked in downtown Chicago for years and on the really tall buildings the thing that weighed the most was the cables (wire ropes) and second was the safety ropes. You would sometimes end up with 500'+ sections you had to lug up the stairs.
Awesome video!
I don't like the counterweight setup, or the setup in general for that matter. Seems kinda chintzy to me. It would be too easy for one of those stands to go over (I don't know if you noticed that the counterweights weren't even secured and would slide right off), or for one of those hangers supporting the counterweights to fail, which would cause that chintzy little stand to flip over. It's not that much more work to bring some pipe frames to the roof and hang the weights from the beam where they cant go anywhere. It's a much safer, more robust setup and wouldn't take much longer. If they sent us that crap setup in downtown Chicago, we would laugh and send it back.
I'm not criticizing the video. It's a good video laying out the basics of swing stage rigging, which most people don't have the slightest clue about. I just don't like the setup the contractor is using.
@@jamesbarca7229 but it's "engineered by an engineer" what a joke. This jerkoff hasn't a clue. He's got those guys hanging from a cantilevered pipe scaffolding that probably took a week to set up that's not even touching bottom for 12 feet. Freaking hang from the parapet and be done with it. What the hell do they need to the top of the tin for? Chair it if you must but to hell with that setup.
How do you link the 2 motors to run it with one man?
You don't, at least legally. They have remotes though which you need for a corner stage as it has three motors.
@@bradsanders407 You can, you just need a pendant; which you would connect to your transformer.
Casually showing a worker at the end, not following regulations, and trying to reach a higher work area...🤔
Side note... the sleeves are to protect the cables/ropes against wear. Has NOTHING to do with protecting the roof.
Yea you should tie off before getting near any edge 🤣🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
you probably cringe when you see firefighters do single slide roof rescues during fire conditions. Especially when the 'tie-off' it to other firefighters.
Good didactic. Bad camera work. (When the presenter points out something, PUT THE CAMERA ON IT!)
no shi-
Harness up next time buddy ,too close to the edge
why arnt you in fall arrest when there is no parapet wall. guy knows all hot key words like redundancy but I guess it doesn't apply to himself, and calls rope pro " socks " lol
Cameraman sucked