Vertical down uses high welding currents and fast travel speeds to make joints with several small beads. This method is fast and economical on pipe 1/2" and under wall thickness. Most cross country pipelines are welded with the vertical down technique.
I've never understood the whole stringers vs weave argument personally. I mean I understand controlling the heat input to reduce the heat affected zone, but if you think about it if I can get say 1/2" plate open root welded in 3-4 passes, I'm done with it, vs say 9-10 passes with stringer method how does that put less heat into the joint? Assuming both is made at the same amperage as heat input is figured by watts and time taken to complete the weld. I've welded both methods and passed xray on both. I've cut and etched both and there isn't much of a difference in grain structure. Personally i think stringers have a greater risk of slag inclusions as it's harder to clean since its not as flat and lack of fusion at the tie ins.
This is probably the BEST vertical up video I've seen anywhere on the web! REALLY GOOD ARC SHOTS REALLY GOOD TECHNICAL INFO Some of the reasons why I just "prefer" Lincoln products!
Hahahaha they're some massive weaves!!! Thing is, weaving crystallised the grain structure and makes it brittle. Stringer beads heat treat the previous bead. I always clean my steel and burn a 7018 straight in with a triangle technique. Best way 👍🏼🇬🇧
Vertical up uses low currents, slow travel speeds, usually low hydrogen electrodes, to produce joints with relatively few large weld beads. Since there are fewer beads to clean, the cleaning time is reduced giving the vertical up method a speed advantage over vertical down.The low hydrogen electrode and slow travel speed of vertical up welding help eliminate gas holes.Vertical up welds are best able to meet the x-ray requirements for high pressure, high temperature or low temperature piping.
I have a question regarding starting E6010 electrodes. It was the first time I welded stick. I noticed that starting it was really difficult as compared to 7018. My question is what are the reccomended amperage settings for 3/32 6010 electrodes. It would start and then stick and literally cook until it was black and smoke. Curious on how to fix that.
Fantastic weld. I'm still using a 1950's Lincoln bullet set. It beats the modern kit on reliability anytime. It cost me £30.00 20 years ago. Do you think I was robbed?
@vakhi201 i'm not familier with the electrodes but i know what u mean. My tip for u is that u try scratch the electrode against the metal, when u Get a spark just lift it abit so it wont stick to the metal. Works fine for me :) and the recomended amperage usually shows on the pack, but u have to find out what u like the best, all depending on what type of metal it is ur welding, the thickness and most importantly what speed ur welding at
We used special polarizers and Neutral Density filters on our cameras to get these shots. Our New 4C Lens has very similar clarity at 1-1-1-1 and closer to actual arc and puddle color.
I have a Viking 3350 with a 4c lens and the clarity is UNMATCHED!!!! I've used the Miller digital elite and it blows it out of the water. I have to say lincoln has outdone itself with this one!!!
I have a question, just welded some beam with 7018, flat fillet welds and was fighting the rod a bit, thought they may have been a bit wet but found out at the end my cables were reversed (no thanks for great help). So any way was curious of my final weld internal quality, outside looks great besides some spatter issues. I'm and experienced welder and was running 5/32 @ 180amps Thanks
@lincolnelectrictv I'm doing a 3G butt joint open root on 1" thick plate. It isn't a test. I did the root pass & the hot pass w/7018. My instructor told me I have to do stringer beads. I'm welding uphill & I'm using your 1/8" Excalibur rods. the machine I'm using is a Lincoln idealarc 250, it's not a digital machine. What should I set my amperage on when using 1/8" 7018 when doing stringer beads, what should my arc length be, & rod angle; upward angle or or straight, I'm getting mixed messages.
Will Lincoln sell the Excalibur rods to Mexico? I have a generic AC buzz box, but the 7018 rods over here are DC only and I would rather use the Excalibur rods which are supposed to be AC/DC.
+Luis Moreno Thanks for your question Luis. We have a couple options for you. First, try our online store: store.lincolnelectric.com. The Excalibur 7018 rod in the online store is an AC rod but I'm not sure if that's what you need. Or you can private message us and let us know where you are located so we can get you in touch with the correct sales rep.
Thank you, I'll keep in touch. I probably shouldn't give too many details about my location here, but I live not too far north of the Federal District or nation's capital. Also, the Excalibur 7018 rods are most certainly what I need for cast iron repair or plate steel.
I'd love to see a 7028 electrode being used. as well as a 7024. in fact, I'd love to see all of lincoln electrodes being used in different positions with the three standard sizes.
+shexdensmore Thanks so much for your interest in Lincoln electrodes. Making those videos would be a great tool and we thank you for the interest. We have a lot of video requests at the moment but will do our best to try and get some videos on different electrodes in use and the end result.
+lincolnelectrictv i notice that there's 3 black markings on them. what does that mean? i also found 7018 fleetwelds at a farm equipment store, what's the difference between the fleetwelds and the Excaliber's?
+shexdensmore The three dots are a Lincoln Trademark. They are a symbol of Lincoln Dependability. See the cover of the attached brochure.The dots were green on electrodes that can be used on a AC225. Also, There is an app in the app store called the Weld Parameter Guide by Lincoln Electric. Very good tool for determining weld parameters for every process.
There is no problem welding E7018 electrode on DC- polarity. The product is qualified for DC+,DC-,and AC welding polarity. The difference is the transfer of heat between the electrode and base metal. The mechanical properties will be very close to the same.
Aside from the instructional aspects of this video, I'm curious about the non viking filter lens that was used for recording the arc shots. The viking is all green, the other looks like real view. Anyone know what filter lens being used to record the arc shots? Boy, if there is a welding helmet out there that can provide that view, I'm sold.
Theres a video on our YT page on the 4C Lens. You'll be amazed at the clarity. As far as the camera, it was a production camera and a LOT of lighting and gels. Its not a situation we can create on a consistent basis.
One thing I personally don't like is that the beads are way too wide,according to the book a good bead shouldn't be 3times larger than the electrode ,in this case the electrode is 1/8so the widest should be 3/8 and that is really pushing the code .some inspectors won't pass a bead than wide
I havent found a decent stringer technique on YT yet. I just want to practice on flat steal, no corners, butt joints, or overlap. Just learning vertical up w/7018 and having not such a good time. I just cant seem to get it. My flat welds look fabulous, but my vertical ups are embarrassing. :(
Matt Challenor I've never understood the thinking behind this. weaving I can get the weld done in 3 passes. Whereas with stringers it might take 9 passes to get that same weld size. heat input is figured by watts times the time taken to weld. I've cut and etched a 7018 fillet as as had both methods pass xray and let me tell ya the grain structure isn't much different. if anything all the tie ins leave a greater risk of lack of fusion when you tie in each pass, as well as greater risk of slag inclusions as the stringer bead isn't as flat as the weave bead. It's harder to clean. But that's my opinion
Get porosity when first arcing up with LowHys wether theyre moist or not. Thats why you (should) always arc up in front of where you're welding, come back and start then weld over the spot where you arced up
djyul actually the max is 8×diameter, but if using a 1/8 rod i personally find 1/2 inch to be the upper limit for best results. Still 1 inch is possible and permissible depending on the code youre welding to
its seems that Lincoln shies away from AC and Miller does not , I prefer welders which give a greater range of DC polarity and AC . In fact on the farm rust is on everything and AC seems to cut thru the mess so If I had a DC only welder I would not e able to fix much.
Bir kaynak ustası olarak, yapılan kaynak işlemi amatörce geldi. Daha iyisi olabilirdi ve teorik bilgiler güzel. Ancak, parça kaynağında olan görsellik zayıf. Biz bu şekilde kaynak uygulaması yapsak, büyük şirketler kapının önünden dahi geçirtmezler. Yine de kaynak uygulaması yapan arkadaşın eline sağlık. Umarım teorik bilgiler kadar, kaynak uygulamasında kendisini geliştirir.
I am really surprised that Lincoln Electric is still teaching the weave technique. This technique has been proven to create porosity in the weld bead. The only way to eliminate porosity 100% is to use the stringer bead technique with no weave at all.
+bobsweldingvt I am really surprised that you would still teach the 'stringer' technique. This technique has been proven to cause incomplete penetration on the toes of the weld bead. The only way to ensure 100% penetration is to use slight manipulation of the stringer bead. This technique will ensure penetration at the toes of the weld as opposed to no weave at all.
bobsweldingvt where are you getting your facts cause I've passed over 100 vertical and over head weave bend test along with 5g pipe so no. You can get porosity in any form of welding
Lincoln , mILLER is far behind such companies as Kemppi Lorch EWM Fronius.you make very good sources for automats but when it comes to manual welding, you are behind
Best arc shot available on the planet I guess. You have a very consistent pattern sir.
one of the best uphill welds, I have seen on youtube
lol :D
Vertical down uses high welding currents and fast travel speeds to make joints with several small beads. This method is fast and economical on pipe 1/2" and under wall thickness. Most cross country pipelines are welded with the vertical down technique.
If i weld those wide weaves on these skyscrapers here in new York city the welding inspector goes nuts.They want all stringers.
That’s what I’m saying. No more that 2x the rod diameter
I've never understood the whole stringers vs weave argument personally. I mean I understand controlling the heat input to reduce the heat affected zone, but if you think about it if I can get say 1/2" plate open root welded in 3-4 passes, I'm done with it, vs say 9-10 passes with stringer method how does that put less heat into the joint? Assuming both is made at the same amperage as heat input is figured by watts and time taken to complete the weld.
I've welded both methods and passed xray on both. I've cut and etched both and there isn't much of a difference in grain structure. Personally i think stringers have a greater risk of slag inclusions as it's harder to clean since its not as flat and lack of fusion at the tie ins.
@@chuckhickman8093 stringers are stronger the grain in them are smaller
This is probably the BEST vertical up video I've seen anywhere on the web!
REALLY GOOD ARC SHOTS
REALLY GOOD TECHNICAL INFO
Some of the reasons why I just "prefer" Lincoln products!
Hahahaha they're some massive weaves!!! Thing is, weaving crystallised the grain structure and makes it brittle. Stringer beads heat treat the previous bead. I always clean my steel and burn a 7018 straight in with a triangle technique. Best way 👍🏼🇬🇧
Vertical up uses low currents, slow travel speeds, usually low hydrogen electrodes, to produce joints with relatively few large weld beads. Since there are fewer beads to clean, the cleaning time is reduced giving the vertical up method a speed advantage over vertical down.The low hydrogen electrode and slow travel speed of vertical up welding help eliminate gas holes.Vertical up welds are best able to meet the x-ray requirements for high pressure, high temperature or low temperature piping.
Nice arc shot!
I have a question regarding starting E6010 electrodes. It was the first time I welded stick. I noticed that starting it was really difficult as compared to 7018. My question is what are the reccomended amperage settings for 3/32 6010 electrodes. It would start and then stick and literally cook until it was black and smoke. Curious on how to fix that.
Really impressed by the close up where you clearly see the electrode, the puddle and the material. How is that possible to film?
Real fast side to side, dont stop in the Miedle. Not to high, and not to low amperage. Keep it straight.😉
Fantastic weld. I'm still using a 1950's Lincoln bullet set. It beats the modern kit on reliability anytime. It cost me £30.00 20 years ago. Do you think I was robbed?
Probably should’ve split that big first pass with 2 on top
What are the setting set on the machine for uphill 7018 Excalibur??
the Viking cam is way cool! Lincoln rocks!
@vakhi201 i'm not familier with the electrodes but i know what u mean. My tip for u is that u try scratch the electrode against the metal, when u Get a spark just lift it abit so it wont stick to the metal. Works fine for me :) and the recomended amperage usually shows on the pack, but u have to find out what u like the best, all depending on what type of metal it is ur welding, the thickness and most importantly what speed ur welding at
Sir what do you call that weaving technique?
I prefer stringers,rather than weaving too much like that.
What lens was used for the arc shots?? Such clarity! Much wow!
Edit, not the green viking cam shots.
We used special polarizers and Neutral Density filters on our cameras to get these shots. Our New 4C Lens has very similar clarity at 1-1-1-1 and closer to actual arc and puddle color.
I have a Viking 3350 with a 4c lens and the clarity is UNMATCHED!!!! I've used the Miller digital elite and it blows it out of the water. I have to say lincoln has outdone itself with this one!!!
Brandon Spence
*****
thanks you lincoln electric group
Wats the Amp for 9045rods..and any additional tips than 7018??
I have a question, what if I have had a instructor to teach me stick welding but only with 2 hands and sitting down? Am I up a creek without a paddle?
Can you help me what is the temperature that those rods have to be in, in a Rodoven?
I have a question, just welded some beam with 7018, flat fillet welds and was fighting the rod a bit, thought they may have been a bit wet but found out at the end my cables were reversed (no thanks for great help). So any way was curious of my final weld internal quality, outside looks great besides some spatter issues.
I'm and experienced welder and was running 5/32 @ 180amps
Thanks
@lincolnelectrictv
I'm doing a 3G butt joint open root on 1" thick plate. It isn't a test. I did the root pass & the hot pass w/7018. My instructor told me I have to do stringer beads. I'm welding uphill & I'm using your 1/8" Excalibur rods. the machine I'm using is a Lincoln idealarc 250, it's not a digital machine. What should I set my amperage on when using 1/8" 7018 when doing stringer beads, what should my arc length be, & rod angle; upward angle or or straight, I'm getting mixed messages.
I have some ss pipe they are 6" for water supply which electrode I can chose < can you tell me the number size for that electrode?
Why vertical up and not down? Please explain the pros and cons of vertical up vs vertical down.
Thanks
best arc shots ever.
Does anyone know if you can get these kinds of results with a 7018 ac/dc rod?
Thanks
It is use downhill and uphill or only down hill
iam a right hand welder tig and arc welder 6g qualified in 2015 and sothanks youtoube
preheat and post heating, prepping and assesing the job, go with welding like that.
soopa skills
it isn't as easy as you make it look. nice.
Will Lincoln sell the Excalibur rods to Mexico? I have a generic AC buzz box, but the 7018 rods over here are DC only and I would rather use the Excalibur rods which are supposed to be AC/DC.
+Luis Moreno Thanks for your question Luis. We have a couple options for you. First, try our online store: store.lincolnelectric.com. The Excalibur 7018 rod in the online store is an AC rod but I'm not sure if that's what you need. Or you can private message us and let us know where you are located so we can get you in touch with the correct sales rep.
Thank you, I'll keep in touch. I probably shouldn't give too many details about my location here, but I live not too far north of the Federal District or nation's capital. Also, the Excalibur 7018 rods are most certainly what I need for cast iron repair or plate steel.
I wanna know where do get a helmet that can give me that kind of view when welding
I'd love to see a 7028 electrode being used. as well as a 7024. in fact, I'd love to see all of lincoln electrodes being used in different positions with the three standard sizes.
I'm a college student and i want to know what each electrode bead would look like when made correctly.
+shexdensmore Thanks so much for your interest in Lincoln electrodes. Making those videos would be a great tool and we thank you for the interest. We have a lot of video requests at the moment but will do our best to try and get some videos on different electrodes in use and the end result.
+lincolnelectrictv
i notice that there's 3 black markings on them. what does that mean? i also found 7018 fleetwelds at a farm equipment store, what's the difference between the fleetwelds and the Excaliber's?
+shexdensmore The three dots are a Lincoln Trademark. They are a symbol of Lincoln Dependability. See the cover of the attached brochure.The dots were green on electrodes that can be used on a AC225.
Also, There is an app in the app store called the Weld Parameter Guide by Lincoln Electric. Very good tool for determining weld parameters for every process.
Does this app provide the old and current dot code for your SMAW electrodes?
There is no problem welding E7018 electrode on DC- polarity. The product is qualified for DC+,DC-,and AC welding polarity. The difference is the transfer of heat between the electrode and base metal. The mechanical properties will be very close to the same.
Look in video description. I added a link to answer your question. Thanks for your feedback!!!
I like swerving with these
Thanks for the info. I am the IT guy here and was wondering how Low Hydro rods were used.
Aside from the instructional aspects of this video, I'm curious about the non viking filter lens that was used for recording the arc shots. The viking is all green, the other looks like real view. Anyone know what filter lens being used to record the arc shots? Boy, if there is a welding helmet out there that can provide that view, I'm sold.
Theres a video on our YT page on the 4C Lens. You'll be amazed at the clarity. As far as the camera, it was a production camera and a LOT of lighting and gels. Its not a situation we can create on a consistent basis.
some very good skills on display. going to check out the rest of your channel.(subscribed now of course).
thanx
lincoln is the way to go! btw, nice welding dude!!
muy buena maquina y clara la pratica.... esto hace que obtenga buena soldadura.
I prefer a Miller machine, helped me pass my bend test. But those Lincoln rods burn F'N great!!!
One thing I personally don't like is that the beads are way too wide,according to the book a good bead shouldn't be 3times larger than the electrode ,in this case the electrode is 1/8so the widest should be 3/8 and that is really pushing the code .some inspectors won't pass a bead than wide
I havent found a decent stringer technique on YT yet. I just want to practice on flat steal, no corners, butt joints, or overlap. Just learning vertical up w/7018 and having not such a good time. I just cant seem to get it. My flat welds look fabulous, but my vertical ups are embarrassing. :(
Mark Stone hold your toe back n forth. Don't let slag trip u up hold your toe
Add more educational stick welding in full hd equality
Way too big, haz would be massive. Should use stringers on a weld of that size.
Matt Challenor I've never understood the thinking behind this. weaving I can get the weld done in 3 passes. Whereas with stringers it might take 9 passes to get that same weld size. heat input is figured by watts times the time taken to weld. I've cut and etched a 7018 fillet as as had both methods pass xray and let me tell ya the grain structure isn't much different.
if anything all the tie ins leave a greater risk of lack of fusion when you tie in each pass, as well as greater risk of slag inclusions as the stringer bead isn't as flat as the weave bead. It's harder to clean. But that's my opinion
muy bien me gusta necesito mas videos como este
alexander mendez
if you're getting porosity your rods are moist.
Get porosity when first arcing up with LowHys wether theyre moist or not. Thats why you (should) always arc up in front of where you're welding, come back and start then weld over the spot where you arced up
the bead looks good, but it's a bit wide, no??
ampere??? please
great add more please
that's important technique w/ the chipping hammer too don't be slamming on your weld scrape it off or use a file or wire wheel
que cordon es: en ocho, media luna o zig zag
Wire wheel all day bro. You wanna brush every weld when you got a electric tool? Get out of the Stone Age
Brilliant welding :)
holaaaa como están. quisiera saber como soldar inconel?
Why are you showing such a wide weave?
Surely its Max 2.5 x the dia of the electrode.
This gives learners a bad example.
djyul actually the max is 8×diameter, but if using a 1/8 rod i personally find 1/2 inch to be the upper limit for best results. Still 1 inch is possible and permissible depending on the code youre welding to
Great vid!! How bout a vid on 6010 5p+
i have seen plenty of weaves pass X rays
mike cubes passed multiple X-rays weaving 3/8” butts in 3g
1st time when i do this my eyes get me more tears and irritated i don't know if i will continue to finish my welder job :'(
Are you looking through a welding lens? You need eye protection, or a welding hood!!
lash kyotsko
try to see an eye doctor it happen to me long time ago now am use prepcription glasses
The scallops in that bead may build up stress in a vibratory or high stress environment. They look nice on a practice piece though.
Nice!
Very good!
Brasil!!!!!!!!!!!!
buen video
its seems that Lincoln shies away from AC and Miller does not , I prefer welders which give a greater range of DC polarity and AC . In fact on the farm rust is on everything and AC seems to cut thru the mess so If I had a DC only welder I would not e able to fix much.
Rust doesn't move AC or DC. Get good rods..
Bir kaynak ustası olarak, yapılan kaynak işlemi amatörce geldi. Daha iyisi olabilirdi ve teorik bilgiler güzel. Ancak, parça kaynağında olan görsellik zayıf.
Biz bu şekilde kaynak uygulaması yapsak, büyük şirketler kapının önünden dahi geçirtmezler.
Yine de kaynak uygulaması yapan arkadaşın eline sağlık. Umarım teorik bilgiler kadar, kaynak uygulamasında kendisini geliştirir.
I made it today exactly the way u move
nice bead dude 👍👍👍😏
nice
God job
Excaliburs are bad ass! viking cam still sucks though
I am really surprised that Lincoln Electric is still teaching the weave technique. This technique has been proven to create porosity in the weld bead. The only way to eliminate porosity 100% is to use the stringer bead technique with no weave at all.
+bobsweldingvt I am really surprised that you would still teach the 'stringer'
technique. This technique has been proven to cause incomplete penetration on the toes of the weld bead. The only way to ensure 100% penetration is to use slight manipulation of the stringer bead. This technique will ensure penetration at the toes of the weld as opposed to no weave at all.
+iw63boomer this is bullshit that weave in this video is huge and you know it
bobsweldingvt I agree way out of any procedure I've ever welder to. The job I'm at now doesn't allow anything over 1/2" or 12mm weave.
bobsweldingvt I've never gotten porosity weaving on a 1" 3G with backing strip
bobsweldingvt where are you getting your facts cause I've passed over 100 vertical and over head weave bend test along with 5g pipe so no. You can get porosity in any form of welding
جيد good
That toilet paper of his pocket. Fire hazard
No good
nice vertical weld
holy texas weave batman!
Lincoln is probably the best rod....boller is the absolute worst 😂😂
I'm sorry to say very bad welding lines , will rejected by inspection
😍😍
Eso va
This guys makes it look easy, with Low Hydrogen electrodes its not, try welding positional pipe with L-H, its tough
not as an expert
mal,
orale te la rifas soldando karnal
Hoi
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wow ♐
Слабоват шовчик.
yikes looks awful
Lincoln , mILLER is far behind such companies as Kemppi Lorch EWM Fronius.you make very good sources for automats but when it comes to manual welding, you are behind
Ok Sparky,, here’s the deal.
That guy has me seeing red.
I saved a bunch of money not buying one of those stupid welding face masks.