@@lokoloko339 right, because the man didn't sport some of the best biceps/arms of all time, best legs when he competed (still some of the best legs of all time especially from the back), chest, delts, conditioning?
2020 Big Ramy was a whooping 40-50 pounds heavier than 2013 Phil while being in equal conditioning. Y'all need to remember that Ramy always dwarfed Phil on stage. It was just a question about conditioning.
Its not a who is heavier competition. Dont forget that Phil always looked 20-30 lbs bigger than his actual weight. So full and round, no missing bodyparts.
Ramy's legs are big but almost 0 separation!!! Jay's legs are ripped!! Ramy has no calves! Jay's hams are more striated. Jay wins by more than a little!!!
Look at Jays leg and quad development. It goes from his hip all the way down to his knee. Ramy has “bigger” quads but only half his leg has any visible muscle or detail. Zero inner thigh development showing. Same with Ramys delts. Sure they are huge and round, but they look like balloons and lack the detail and separation muscle should have. I think all the pros now days use substances in their legs, shoulders and arms the pros from 10-15 years ago didn’t. It gives the appearance of being huge, but it doesn’t look like quality muscle at all. I pick Jay for my own personal preference, but I’m still a huge Big Ramy fan. Two amazing bodybuilders worthy of the Mr. Olympia title!
@@NeonAnimeDreams yh bro way bigger, he’s said in podcasts before that the reason he looked way better in 09 was cus he stopped chasing size and got in true condition
I was thinking Ramy going into this because they’re similar but Ramy is bigger, but after watching I’m thinking Jay. If Ramy had a better back he’d win for sure though, if his back was as good in 2020 as it was towards the start of his career, and he was conditioned like in 2020, forget about it.
This is evident of the fact that the era 2019-2021 was lacking the quality of the lineups of previous years. The best man won of course, but the best on that given day couldn't match to the top 3 of the years before. Jay is polished, simply too much for Ramy who simply packs muscle but there's not the level of conditioning, sharpness, detail of a polished top level pro. This year the top 3 could stand to those lineups
Bring back the last man standing at the end of the video. We are here for your opinion, I loved when you gave a final winner even if it was controversial and hard to decide. Now it feels like I have watched the whole video for nothing. You are like you could this one to him, but the judges would probably pick him, it could go either way... I just preferred when the videos ended clearly with the picture of the champion by your judgement.
I have Jay winning easily the FDB and AAT, and Ramy winning easily the FLS, SC and RLS, the other poses are truly close. I would personally give Ramy the BDB because of the symmetry in his lats, the glutes and overall size, however Jay's striations in the upper back, shoulders and arms, plus the superior quads and hams are a real advantage. The ST is again close, because Jay is winning in the upper body and triceps, but Ramy superior lower body keeps it close, but I would still give it to Jay. The MM again it's close, because in the hands on hip Ramy looks awesome and Jay too, and actually Ramy's quads look more separated, but when he executes the other variation he looks weird, but Jay in the crap doesn"t look that great, because his chest looks soft, and his arms too small for his chest, so it's really close
@@CypressItalian 2021 and especially 2022 where not good years for him, but that 2020 physique was great. He looked kinda week in a few shots, but in his bets shots he murdered everyone else. That side chest and some of the back shots… it’s something special.
Ramy is packed mass that looks poorly sloped on, with shrived burnt out flat conditioning. Jay looks way more aesthetic and he's is one of the least aesthetic Mr. O. With time people will look at Ramy like Chris Dickerson
I REALLY, REALLY miss those dark backgrounds on the Olympia stage. I wish they would do that during their routines and just keep the EDM festival graphics for everything else.
Jay unsymmetrical compared to Ramy who is thee most disproportionate Olympia winner of all time. Please no way he ever beats Jay. Ramy also has one leg bigger than the other and the holes in the quads and no calves compared to upper legs. Ramy is thee worst physique to win mr Olympia beating even Chris Dickerson
Giving my opinion before the analysis but i personally dont see big Ramy coming close to jay cutler. Dont get me wrong I love big Ramy. I do. Im a huge big ramy fan but that being said. 09 Jay was just on a completely different level
Jay's muscles seem to be far more functional (real). Ramy doesn't even appear to be flexing. He definitely has a terrific flow for a "mass monster", though. Is he ever vascular? I think Jay wins this one.
I don’t see why the leg asymmetry should cost Jay the win. We got Nick walker out here with the “best arms” that are just as asymmetrical if not more so
I wouldn't mind if every Mr. Olympia had the 2009 lighting and background. Made them guys look like gods, no wonder many bodybuilders had their "best versions" in 2009. Maybe it was also due to the perfect lighting. This one is close... FDB: Jay is stacked but Ramy had better x-frame, better lat sweep. FLS: quite similar, but Ramy is too much imo. SC: Ramy wins lower, upper is close ST: also very close, Ramrod is too much in the quad detail but Jay's upper body is picture perfect while Ramy is a bit sloppy. RLS: the tides have turned, I like Jay more from the waist below, Ramy has a wider back, they both lack 3D detail. BDB: Jay's better detail and conditioning pushes him over the line imo, they are similar with Ramy again having better proportions but Jay has deeper cuts and more things going on for him. AT: very close, the quad stomp would be too much to handle, but Ramy has his frame and symmetrical abs working for him. MM: hard to tell, Ramy is huge af, Jay is also packed with muscle They both had the "winning" presence on-stage in these years so it's even hard to make a decision based on how dominant would either look like compared to the other. Jay wins in the conditioning dept., Ramy is more massive, they have similar assets (width, good quads). I think it is fair to give this to Ramy, got Jay's number in more cases than not... :S
ramrod definition for those who dont know noun 1. a rod for ramming down the charge of a muzzle-loading firearm. 2. NORTH AMERICAN a foreman or manager, especially one who is a strict disciplinarian. "he was ramrod for the construction of the Apollo command module" verb NORTH AMERICAN force a proposed measure to be accepted or completed quickly. "they ramrodded through legislation voiding the court injunctions"
Ramy better than Jay...lol, good one. No fucking way. Don't worry about a slight imbalance between Jay's quads. Focus instead on ramys quad vs everything else imbalance.
*Not a fan of Jay 2009, he looked like azz, he was no different then 2008 melt marshmallows look but just about 30lbs lighter. Now when you say Jay from 2001, he was God tier body builder level. That was his best form!*
It may be a fairer match if Jay’s photos weren’t filtered to high heaven. Not saying Ramy would win but the difference in photo quality is so great as to render this comparison meaningless.
From what I understand, those are raw shots. The lighting was a lot better at the Olympia before they started doing dumb shit like putting lit up screens behind competitors. You should look at the ACTUAL doctored photos of Jay and you’ll see
Jay all the way. With due respect Ramys thighs are way to big and I'm not a fan of his aesthetics no matter how big he is. This is one of Jays best years and his symmetry doesn't get to me, same as Ronnie and Dorian, it's Jays overall structure that I love
Shaun Clarida could beat both of these guys and Ronnie Colman right? That's what evdryone is saying. Who cares about size. Size has nothing to do with bodybuilding right?
Size of wheels on ramy don't matter if they look like blobs
They are washed out from the front, yeah. Good from the back and great from the side. Jay’s destroys them from the front
There’s now wow factor on ramy
2009 Jay is my favorite bodybuilding physique. Love Phil 2013 also.
Bad choice
Thank you Jarvis very cool
I’m not surprised at the result, but I am surprised at how good Big Ramy actually did look.
Jay Cutler is the winner. He was as massive and cut. Jay Cutler is my pick. Hands down!
Jay wins every pose easily
He definitely didn't win every pose easily
Jay is and was elite…….ramy is only one more in the business.
Take away the hamstring / glute tie ins, especially from the side, and Ramy never cracks top 3
Take away Ronnie's back and he never wins 8 olympias
Take away Arnold’s left bicep
@@lokoloko339 right, because the man didn't sport some of the best biceps/arms of all time, best legs when he competed (still some of the best legs of all time especially from the back), chest, delts, conditioning?
Ramy always had very weak hamstrings.
@@dj_m19 maybe you forgot how close the 2001, 2, 5 olympias were. Not to mention he would have lost to nasser in 1999. So yeah buddy
Jay all the way 🙌
Cutler wins more detail better condition and ramy is so oiled up in multiple areas he should lose by default
2020 Big Ramy was a whooping 40-50 pounds heavier than 2013 Phil while being in equal conditioning. Y'all need to remember that Ramy always dwarfed Phil on stage. It was just a question about conditioning.
Equal condtioning is very arguable but it was close
Yet some judges actually had a broken down phil beating him in prejudging
Nowhere near the separation, symmetry and full muscle bellies.
@@misfireswithabuhajaar9470 who also couldn't eat for two days pre show
Its not a who is heavier competition. Dont forget that Phil always looked 20-30 lbs bigger than his actual weight. So full and round, no missing bodyparts.
The Egyptian Oil Spill’s legs are very unsightly.
He's so squishy looking
may be his side leg look is due to oil
I knew it was gonna be good, so I liked it before I even started watching.
Contest shape vs guest posing shape
How did the judges ever let ramys quads slide , they are so inflated compared to his 2013 versions
Ramy's legs are big but almost 0 separation!!! Jay's legs are ripped!! Ramy has no calves! Jay's hams are more striated. Jay wins by more than a little!!!
Completely agree
Look at Jays leg
and quad development. It goes from his hip all the way down to his knee. Ramy has “bigger” quads but only half his leg has any visible muscle or detail. Zero inner thigh development showing. Same with Ramys delts. Sure they are huge and round, but they look like balloons and lack the detail and separation muscle should have. I think all the pros now days use substances in their legs, shoulders and arms the pros from 10-15 years ago didn’t. It gives the appearance of being huge, but it doesn’t look like quality muscle at all. I pick Jay for my own personal preference, but I’m still a huge Big Ramy fan. Two amazing bodybuilders worthy of the Mr. Olympia title!
Big ramy fans: 🤓
Jay Cutler fans:🗿
Also Jay wins
1998 NPC USA overall Champion Dennis James Vs. 2014 NPC USA overall champion Nicholas Trigili.
Non symmetrical quads? Come on man. Jay wins everything except the hands clasped MM. BDB looks like a tie, but just remember, conditioning wins shows.
Jay all the way, Ramy really has no symmetry.
Jay is superior and more crisp
How many look that good in the fls like jay without putting the arms as if they are Ski driving
Jay selling on those quads, never noticed they were the lacking point, good job Triple M👍👍
2014 ramy vs 2001 jay. Both less conditioned and at their biggest
Jay was at his lightest in 2001 biggest jay is around 05
@@musiclifter542405 was bigger than 09?
@@NeonAnimeDreams yh bro way bigger, he’s said in podcasts before that the reason he looked way better in 09 was cus he stopped chasing size and got in true condition
I was thinking Ramy going into this because they’re similar but Ramy is bigger, but after watching I’m thinking Jay. If Ramy had a better back he’d win for sure though, if his back was as good in 2020 as it was towards the start of his career, and he was conditioned like in 2020, forget about it.
Big Ramy need to improve on triceps, forearm and calves and finally come with conditions in pre and final.
I look at Jay's legs alone and I give it to him
This is evident of the fact that the era 2019-2021 was lacking the quality of the lineups of previous years. The best man won of course, but the best on that given day couldn't match to the top 3 of the years before. Jay is polished, simply too much for Ramy who simply packs muscle but there's not the level of conditioning, sharpness, detail of a polished top level pro.
This year the top 3 could stand to those lineups
Bring back the last man standing at the end of the video. We are here for your opinion, I loved when you gave a final winner even if it was controversial and hard to decide. Now it feels like I have watched the whole video for nothing. You are like you could this one to him, but the judges would probably pick him, it could go either way... I just preferred when the videos ended clearly with the picture of the champion by your judgement.
Jay is more conditioned, has thinner skin, and much more complete overall- calves and forearms matter!
I have Jay winning easily the FDB and AAT, and Ramy winning easily the FLS, SC and RLS, the other poses are truly close. I would personally give Ramy the BDB because of the symmetry in his lats, the glutes and overall size, however Jay's striations in the upper back, shoulders and arms, plus the superior quads and hams are a real advantage. The ST is again close, because Jay is winning in the upper body and triceps, but Ramy superior lower body keeps it close, but I would still give it to Jay. The MM again it's close, because in the hands on hip Ramy looks awesome and Jay too, and actually Ramy's quads look more separated, but when he executes the other variation he looks weird, but Jay in the crap doesn"t look that great, because his chest looks soft, and his arms too small for his chest, so it's really close
I apologyse for my bad english skills, I'm Mexican, so I'm not the best
SEO Ramy
Big ramy needs more love in the chanel!! Pls do Ramy 2020 vs hadi 2022
Ramy sucks.
@@CypressItalian 2021 and especially 2022 where not good years for him, but that 2020 physique was great. He looked kinda week in a few shots, but in his bets shots he murdered everyone else. That side chest and some of the back shots… it’s something special.
Asymmetrical
jay wins in the hair department to!!
Before even watching....Cutler dominates Ramy
Jay's balance is better all day.... Ramy's thighs are goofy looking in that they make his arms and calves look too small because they are so big
Rammys forearms are pathetic and he uses oil in his shoulders and quads, how on earth you can say he beats jay is beyond me.
Bad call Marx
I think Jay Cutler wins
JAY WIN !!!!
Big different in photos quality to be honest .. jay pics even has been filtered
Ramy is packed mass that looks poorly sloped on, with shrived burnt out flat conditioning. Jay looks way more aesthetic and he's is one of the least aesthetic Mr. O. With time people will look at Ramy like Chris Dickerson
Jay wins.
Day 386 of saying hi to Marx!
Ramy won fair and square
Jay wins
Jay wins imo. But that right quad really throws off his physique
Big ramy winning almost every shot. it's incredible how people underestimate him
I don’t like those holes in Ramys legs don’t inject your quads Jay Wins This One
Jay no diff
I give it Ramy the win. The scale might be a little off in Jays favor in a few shots. I think the size difference would be more apparent in person
Ramy was only good in 2013 and briefly in 2017. Otherwise he sucks.
Calling it right before, ramy wins this. Don't @ me
Jay...
Is Light years better than Ramy...
Ramy... Is the worst
MR. OLYMPIA OF ALL TIME...!!!
Only Chris Dickerson is worse than Ramy. Ramy is a horrible bodybuilder.
I REALLY, REALLY miss those dark backgrounds on the Olympia stage. I wish they would do that during their routines and just keep the EDM festival graphics for everything else.
Its close but Cutler has better definition especially from the rear.
Jay wins this. You been drinking sir.
Jay unsymmetrical compared to Ramy who is thee most disproportionate Olympia winner of all time. Please no way he ever beats Jay. Ramy also has one leg bigger than the other and the holes in the quads and no calves compared to upper legs. Ramy is thee worst physique to win mr Olympia beating even Chris Dickerson
Very close here but imo Jay is more balanced
Giving my opinion before the analysis but i personally dont see big Ramy coming close to jay cutler. Dont get me wrong I love big Ramy. I do. Im a huge big ramy fan but that being said. 09 Jay was just on a completely different level
Jay all day, I was at the 09 show, ur boy looked insane!
Rammy looks all washed out compared to cuttler, and those tumors in his quads aren't doing him any favors.
Cuttler wins
Jay's muscles seem to be far more functional (real). Ramy doesn't even appear to be flexing. He definitely has a terrific flow for a "mass monster", though. Is he ever vascular? I think Jay wins this one.
Hard agree
Rarely disagree with Marx but Jay is the clear winner in my eyes. I can’t unsee the quad to calf imbalance on Ramy
I don’t see why the leg asymmetry should cost Jay the win. We got Nick walker out here with the “best arms” that are just as asymmetrical if not more so
I wouldn't mind if every Mr. Olympia had the 2009 lighting and background. Made them guys look like gods, no wonder many bodybuilders had their "best versions" in 2009. Maybe it was also due to the perfect lighting.
This one is close...
FDB: Jay is stacked but Ramy had better x-frame, better lat sweep.
FLS: quite similar, but Ramy is too much imo.
SC: Ramy wins lower, upper is close
ST: also very close, Ramrod is too much in the quad detail but Jay's upper body is picture perfect while Ramy is a bit sloppy.
RLS: the tides have turned, I like Jay more from the waist below, Ramy has a wider back, they both lack 3D detail.
BDB: Jay's better detail and conditioning pushes him over the line imo, they are similar with Ramy again having better proportions but Jay has deeper cuts and more things going on for him.
AT: very close, the quad stomp would be too much to handle, but Ramy has his frame and symmetrical abs working for him.
MM: hard to tell, Ramy is huge af, Jay is also packed with muscle
They both had the "winning" presence on-stage in these years so it's even hard to make a decision based on how dominant would either look like compared to the other. Jay wins in the conditioning dept., Ramy is more massive, they have similar assets (width, good quads). I think it is fair to give this to Ramy, got Jay's number in more cases than not... :S
Jay easy easy
Jay wins all day
ramrod definition for those who dont know
noun
1.
a rod for ramming down the charge of a muzzle-loading firearm.
2.
NORTH AMERICAN
a foreman or manager, especially one who is a strict disciplinarian.
"he was ramrod for the construction of the Apollo command module"
verb
NORTH AMERICAN
force a proposed measure to be accepted or completed quickly.
"they ramrodded through legislation voiding the court injunctions"
Say car ramrod say car ramrod!
Jay looked amazing. If only he had a smaller waist. He'd be the GOAT.
And symmetrical thighs.
Ramy better than Jay...lol, good one. No fucking way. Don't worry about a slight imbalance between Jay's quads. Focus instead on ramys quad vs everything else imbalance.
Those Ramy quads completely overpower those comparatively little calves. Total imbalance there.
Jay wins, but no shade to Big Ramy. They're both awesome.
*Not a fan of Jay 2009, he looked like azz, he was no different then 2008 melt marshmallows look but just about 30lbs lighter. Now when you say Jay from 2001, he was God tier body builder level. That was his best form!*
Do the 2013 Olympia where Jay placed 6th and Rami 8tth (Jay's last O and Rami's O debut)
He did that one before and he added roelly winklaar to that video
Jay was like 260-70 2009 (he came in more conditioned that year why he was smaller)Ramy is a certified 300 pounder, why is Jay sized larger?
Actually Jay said that he was 255 here. But that conditioning smokes Rammy......quad stomp says it all.
These are leaner versions of them. Jay was 250-255 and Ramy 285-290.
It may be a fairer match if Jay’s photos weren’t filtered to high heaven. Not saying Ramy would win but the difference in photo quality is so great as to render this comparison meaningless.
From what I understand, those are raw shots. The lighting was a lot better at the Olympia before they started doing dumb shit like putting lit up screens behind competitors. You should look at the ACTUAL doctored photos of Jay and you’ll see
Ramy won!
marx the best
Ramy reminds me of BBL women get nowadays all oil and unnatural looking proportions
Ayo! 😅😅
Jay Of course.
I feel Jays pain with the unsymmetrical lats
Looking forward to seeing 2013 Phil again
Jay all the way. With due respect Ramys thighs are way to big and I'm not a fan of his aesthetics no matter how big he is. This is one of Jays best years and his symmetry doesn't get to me, same as Ronnie and Dorian, it's Jays overall structure that I love
Shaun Clarida could beat both of these guys and Ronnie Colman right? That's what evdryone is saying. Who cares about size. Size has nothing to do with bodybuilding right?