This is out freaking standing. You dropped so many nuggets of gold in this video. This is a must watch for anyone getting into setting up their own bows and arrows!!!
To my mind that is the perfect way to test arrow flight and see the actual difference. I may just be slow but I have tried a new setup and either did or didn’t like it right off the bat was it better or worse who knows but with this you can see and even though you are shooting it kinda takes out the fooling yourself
The amazing part is that sure the 850g arrows are slower but they maintain that speed better than the lighter arrow. They're essentially bullets with tails.
Gold Tip Pierce Platinums: 481 grains, 32" (30.5" cut arrow) draw lenth, and 67# draw weight gives me 295 FPS. This yields approximately .63 M and 93 KE. I hunt in CO for elk and in TX for deer and pigs and this seems to be a good compromise of speed and arrow mass for great penetration.
Black Eagle X Impacts - 300 spine, 100grn F.O.C.O.S. insert/outsert with a 100 grn QAD Exodus broadhead. Total weight is 460grns. Bow is a Mathews VXR 31.5 70lb mods pulling 72lbs at a 28.5” dl.
So impressed with your content. If amazes me every time I watch one of your vids that you don’t have more subscribers. You are bound to blow up one of these days. Thank you for putting out great content. It does not go unnoticed.
Now that was a great video!!! Well done Brandon!! The part of the video showing you shoot the different arrow weights at the target was outstanding. Thank you for that.
Good show old boy! I knew you'd come around! To be honest, I don't have much more experience than you. You may have even passed me up since I am just now getting back into hunting after a long hiatus. I did believe however, that the first time I saw the heavy arrow math; as you superbly display in this video...it was THE way to go, for me. Good luck with your future videos. I watched Ranch Fairy over and over. He says "got to tinker", he's right. But,there are people out there that are better at following directions, and I see an opportunity for you to help them dial it in. For example: I had my rest and nock point ALL over the place for a day, trying to figure out WHY I'm still throwing nun-chucks...wrong spine...sounds easy now, but for someone that doesn't have the time/patience to tinker, overwhelming. Those are the people that might continue to shoot flappers and pay less attention to perfect arrow flight, IMO. Looking forward to the BEST penetration test as promised...my vote is for "Meat Pinata's".
Just found your channel tonight....already in my top three favs of ALL of my subscriptions....love the personality, the honesty, and your no BS, strait shooting. Sense of humor is also on point! Great stuff brother.
I think the difference in impact time is actually more at closer distances and less the further the two arrows travel - as opposed to what you suggested in the video, since the lighter arrows starts faster but then decelerates faster than a heavier one.
Good job and great quality video and music. Award quality stuff here! I'm up from 425gr to 522gr. I'm shooting 262fps and having a hard time building heavier because of the speed loss. Thanks for putting the video together and looking forward to next year's video.
How fast is a leaf blowing in the wind when it passes by a deer without a flinch. The only downfall of shooting 260 fps is how close u set yourself up for a shot. If u have a quiet bow/ arrow setup & u r above them @ a short distance they react after the arrow is in the ground after the arrow passes through them. The only deer I want to even see @ 50 yards is the 1 coming through thick cover heading straight for me. The goal is to shoot inside 15 yards with a high level of predictability.
This year I went with the Micro diameter Easton FMJ's and a deep six inserts @ 100g point weight. It was very basic and the results were pretty embarrassing, I've never been so disappointed with such an expensive decision in arrows, ever. I would watch video after video on trying to understand what the FOC and calculating the right balance in spine stiffness, point weight and total arrow weight. It was pretty stressful to try and figure it all out and it really made me nervous to try to hunt ethically. I didn't want to be that guy who shoots the hind quarter and do more harm than good. Next year's set up I'm hoping I have more of an understanding of how this all works and I feel like so far you have made more sense of how I'm supposed to be set up for myself, so thank you and I look forward to the next video about arrows.
Best breakdown I’ve seen on RUclips and I’ve been down this rabbit hole for over a year now. This 3 part was unbiased and without agenda. Also covered all sides of the topics and showed actual video of it in practice. I luv the character that is the ranch fairy but he’s like talking politics with liberals and conservatives. It’s his way or no way seemingly. I don’t shoot corn fed pigs at known distances on most hunts so there’s got to be an alternative. Yes 90% of my shots are goin to be 30 and in but I do not wanna be caught watching a booner stroll through a cut at 45 and wonder is that 40 or 46 and guess wrong by a couple yds and miss. Now I practice exclusively at 40+ so I know if I have decent shot at 45ish it’s more then doable. My current setup is 28” draw 72lb bow 28in arrow weighting 442gr. 13.5foc. This flys at 280fps and has a 100gr Magnus black hornet ser razor. I consider this on the low side of a compromise and think if I stay between 440-480gr I can still maintain that middle ground where I think arrow flight and speed are the best while getting good foc. More weight and I think the sacrifice comes in accuracy and that’s a bigger issue for me. I kill 200 deer with my old setup when in 90’s speed was the thing. That set up I worked out the other day was same bow specs but I was shooting a 364gr arrow so opposite side of pendulum. Shot a moose at 55yds clean pass through. Again thanks for videos very informative and like both sides of coin!!!
This is best video I think you’ve made. I used to shoot vaps back in the gap. Broke the outsert on every animal I shot. Shattered several shafts as well. Oddly. They would crack on the nock .... very accurate. Loved practicing with them. But I trashed every arrow I put in an animal. You mention the axis.... my very first arrow. Loved them. Tough arrows , put them through some tough animals. But if an when you break one with a HIT insert it’s kinda game over . Great arrow , one of the best every made. I’ve been shooting maxima reds since their inception. Probably not as tough as the axis .... but in my opinion in my experiences it’s been one of the best tuning. So i kinda just stuck with them.....they pass through, they fly straight. Not the match grade groups I used to shoot with vaps , but they do well for me.
might give us another 3-5 DB on the final edit Brandon. Audio is a little weak. As always thanks for the awesome cinemaphotography. The layered double arrow shot was a thing of beauty.
I would like to echo some of the previous commenters - the side-by-side comparison of the two arrows was telling. Victory VAP elite 300 spine with a 95 grain insert has been my arrow for the last two years. Thank you for the great content - you should be on prime time TV.
Nice, short run down, I'm looking forward to the full version next year... one vote in the heavy arrow column. I'm slinging CE 350 Pile Drivers tipped with Tooth of the Arrow 125 grain XLs at ~ 270 fps out of a Halon 32 with a 30" draw at 72#.
Love your videos, well done. I am working on heavy arrows thanks to Troy but you do a great job explaining and demonstrating. The dual arrow shot was better than a thousand words.
Listen up arrow company’s send this man a ton of free arrows!! 😂 first time I’ve felt like I completely understand what a persons talking about and I’ve been Bowhunting for about 20 years now!! Gr8 stuff love your content!
I totally agree. I mostly hunt elk with my bow and wanted a heavier arrow. I shoot 72lb prime bow with a 250 spine Day Six arrow with 125gr 2 blade broadhead, coming in at 620 grains. Best shooting combo I have shot so far. The trajectory is a little more but hunting the PNW most of my shots are closer and they hammer elk. As always, awesome video quality!
Editing has a steep curve on the front end. I had a rough first 6 months! I still watch RUclips tutorials on video editing at least once or twice a week. I really enjoy it though
Great video. Especially because I'm having a bit of an arrow funk right now. For about half of this season, I will be shooting Axis 340 with the hit insert, Kudu 125 point, and standard accessories for whitetail. Total arrow weight is 444. I'm shooting 62 lbs and a 27.5in draw on my vxr 31.5. While these arrows are super accurate and really consistent, I am not happy with the hit insert. I'm going to try different arrows going on, but if I knew the hit insert was so flimsy, I definitely would have chosen something else. I am also wanting to go a bit heavier. Around 500 grains. I'm shopping for arrows right now. This is just what my bow is tuned for at the moment. It will do. For now. Until I make my next order on arrows. Also, Kudu points ROCK. Fly great, super sharp. Especially when you start stropping. But the way the blade is shaped makes it a bit difficult to sharpen. Other than that, I have never had a broadhead fly so well.
Awesome info, Thank you. Question;;;; I've not shot a compound bow since I was 10 years old, want to get back into it for hunting (pig,deer, javalina)......Im on a budget.....What do you think of the Hoyt Trorrex for a beginner bow at the price point under $700? If you suggest any others to look at please let me know. I currently hunt with a PCP big bore air gun so my skill set is already very similar to bow hunting ranges ( Under 100 yards).
People seem to really like that bow although I haven't shot one yet. I would not hesitate to get a Bow that's a few years old as long as it's in good condition. You can probably get a fantastic bow for 500 bucks or less. If you look on Archery talk guys will sell a full setup for less than $1,000 with arrows releases sites etc all included. The biggest thing is just making sure it's in good shape and is safe to shoot
This year I am running easton axis 340's with an ethics stainless footer (40 grains) with the standard HIT insert, 3 fletch with 3" bohning x vanes. Total with regular easton x nock is 440 grains. At my 26.5" DL I think its a good balance of speed and momentum. Plus the total arrow set up isn't that expensive. As always awesome video Brandon! Keep them coming!
Lighted nocks at night trajectory and speed comparison was sick! I'm building a new hunting arrow this year and want to pick your brain. Bow - Mathews V3 31, 60 lbs, 27". Where would you start for an arrow broadhead combination for mule deer hunting out west?
I'm a 32" draw @ 70+ pounds. 430gn is the lightest I can go on arrow unless I spend lots more bugs on some victory arrows. Hunting I do with 570gn arrows and just love the hitting power. Decided this year to hunt with my 430gn arrow (at 304fps and Montec M3 BH) to see how it holds up. No issue with penetration but got internal deflection of the arrow. The exit wound was about a foot off from where it should have been, My new arrows will be 645gn and it will leave my bow at approximately 255-260fps. I'm smiling as you have confirmed, not much difference in flight time. Important point you also pointed out. You need to tune your own bow to perfection.
I'm probably one of your newest subscribers, I follow you and Troy fowler (( The Ranch fairy )) I love the video you guys did together where you touched on everything from religion to family and Archery, So, what I want to say is in recent years (( since 2020 )) I've had to drop my draw weight down drastically (( from 70lbs to 55lbs )) due to a accident I was involved in on the job (( I won't bore you with details )) my Question to YOU is, I have two sets of Arrows I'm currently working with, half are 500gr and up, the other half are in around 395ish I'd like to settle on one or the other, because of my draw weight, should I be shooting a lighter Arrow? Or Heavy Arrow? I'm thinking Heavy, for a harder impact down range, BUT Now you have me thinking MAYBE a lighter Arrow might be the way to go to get a flatter trajectory and maybe some better Speed, I interested in your thoughts on this ... 😎🏹🎯
I also went with the Daysix setup this year. I don't think there's a straighter, more durable, consistent arrow on the market. Plus, Brian is a great dude running a small business, and I always enjoy supporting that. I am definitely still gonna build a set of Sirius Apollo's, though. I want to see if I can get my weight down just a little, to increase FOC. Right now TAW is at 758g with 20% up front. I'm hoping I can get an Apollo build done closewr to 650/25%. Great video as always Brandon! The dual/overlapped footage of the 400/800 flight is some straight "Mic Drop" action. I really want to show that to every RF-hater, and let them figure out how to get their foot outta their own mouth. Hope you're enjoying your season so far bud, and good luck with the rest of it!
Black eagle rampage, 300 spine, 31 inch draw, 100 grain outsert with 100 grain qad swipe blade broad head, 4 flech low profile heat fleching, two degree off set, 20 grain black eagle pin nocks. 502 grains. Matthew 31.5 70lb 279fps. This is the best shooting / flying combo out to 110 yds. It shoots better than me if that makes since. 80 is my so called hunting limit but the penetration at 110 is amazing.
Watched your video and went to buy Easton Axis arrows.. Picked up the new 4mm Long Range Match 300grain arrows. Have you tried these yet? I won't be able to even try them for another month but I'm excited to test them out. Appreciate the great content btw!
Just curious if you have taken a look at the Sirius archery arrows with Ethics inserts? I'm thinking about getting a set. They are a woven carbon and look tough as hell. Plus they have test packs...get 2 of two different spine arrows and different weight field tips. Just curious to get your take on this arrow keep up the great content bro. Loved the shot overlay. That was gold.
Interested to hear if you have gotten your hands on the GrizzlyStik TDT arrows. They are tapered carbon shafts. I've been running them for a few years now and the durability of these arrows is fantastic. I was also surprised to not see any mention of ethics insert systems they are an aftermarket insert with several designs and materials to make a "bullet proof" arrow.
I called it this is going to be a 4 part series. Great vid love your content. 6mm under armour axis have been great for me but was looking into those day 6 arrows.
Good info. I set up some Victory VF TKO standard diameter arrows for elk this year, 200 grain Cutthroats, 525 grain total. Shot great out to 60. Been testing out the VAP SS in 300 spine using their 50 grain Shok TL outserts and so far they are very impressive. Great groups and seem to be super tough. They were acting too stiff with a 125 grain point (490 gr total) so I threw on my 200 grain points and they tuned great and broadheads are flying awesome to 35 yards (all I’ve tried so far). I’m also ordering some 350 spine SS shafts to try with the 125 heads for a 465 grain setup. I hate having to buy extra components and I like the better selection and better flight characteristics of 125 grain heads. I’m torn between better trajectory and heavy penetration power. I feel that good flight with a durable cut on contact fixed blade even in a slightly lighter setup will perform well as long as you don’t really muff the shot. I don’t have much personal experience to go off of though. It’s my second year bow hunting and so far have only shot two turkeys. Struck out on deer last year and elk this year. Waiting for late deer season here in western Oregon.
Sounds to me like you're in a good spot with all of those setups. Mid 400s to mid 500s makes good sense to me. As long as they're tuning well and grouping good. You'll have all the punch you'll need.
Another great video. 16 years ago I started bow hunting elk and information was hard to come by. I remembered an old chuck Adams article and the caption was shoot 6inch group like this with broad heads at fifty yards. Picture was a mountain gout with what I thought was a ten inch group. Lol I have learned the hard way. You make a very important point about proper spine for the bow you’re shooting . To much flex is horrible for retaining energy at longer ranges. I switched from 400 to 340 spine and instantly my 80 yard group closed right up. Even with the 340 spine being heavy it was hitting high at 80 yards compared to the 400. That is all do to how much flex I was getting from the 400. Do you think there could be a way to nock tune your arrows before you fletch them? Awesome shoot by the way. Looked incredible with those lighted nocks.
Spin your arrows with just the bare shafts and get one that either pins right or that you'll cut from the rear. Glue your insert system and start nock tuning bare shafts. I did the last group of Easton axis that way. Crazy to watch a 32" arrow tear 2" but by the time I cut I'd down to 28.5 the rear was 1/4". When you get to the 1/4" start nock tuning and then glue fletchings based on the nock location that's right for each arrow
@@brandonmcdonald6121 yes sir and thank you. Very ready to put that to use for next year. I used to flip my coffee table up and take the glass out of the center and paper tune threw that. Freezer paper was a bit tough lol . My wife wasn’t impressed. I just can’t wait to send everyone I hunt with that has a question about arrows or just anyone in general and say watch everything this guys has offered the world towards archery. If you ain’t found an answer by then we are not hunting together. Lol
Another great video. Im interested to try the Day 6 set up. Im just not a heavy arrow guy. I shoot 60lbs at 28in. So im usually in that 375 to 420 range. I try to maintain a 14 and up FOC. I generally have pass throughs without a problem. Day 6 and the owner are just flat phenomenal though. So I'll definitely end up supporting him regardless. Side note, have you played with the VIP broadheads? I just bought them this year and have been impressed. FP accuracy is not a myth with these heads, so far. I ripped vanes off with my FP arrow at 60 yards. I think they would intrigue you.
Great 3 video series! Got me thinking. I agree about a happy medium for whitetail. 500-550ish with 12%+ FOC & sharp fixed broadheads, maybe? :shrug: Axis. The HIT inserts messes negatively with FOC. Edited
Being that weird guy that comments twice on the same video... Running a 300 spine Easton Bowhunter 6.5 with 4 fletch Bully vane and 150-175 grains up front and likewise find it to be the most accurate setup I have tried. Total weight 445-470 grains Sounds very similar to the Victory setup you had. Must just be something about that weight distribution.
That speed comparison bit was really well done. I'm shooting the victory rip gamers 300 spine with the gold tip airstrike aluminum insert and collar, and bohning heat vanes in a 4 fletch. The 2 piece insert system was a game changer as far as durability was concerned. Much better than the victory inserts. Total arrow weight is 486 grains.
Overlaying the heavy and light arrow footage was so much better than "this arrow hit in this time, this arrow hit in this time". We can see and hear the difference. Not gonna lie though I was confused how you shot 2 arrow at once for a second
I’d like to get your thoughts on Nexxus arrows. Company out of Australia, the videos they show of shooting them at a anvil and it’s not even cracked it’s insane. I’m more of a balanced arrow guy. My arrows weight 420 grains finished out, 70 lb Halon at 26.5” draw. Haven’t had one not pass through yet and can’t keep Morrell Block targets very long.
Yeah, brother. I was soooo close to stepping well over the 600 grain threshold, however the drop between 20 and 30 yards was just too much for me to be comfortable with. Ended up with 555 this go 'round. 60lb bow can only give me so much. Fantastic overlay with the lighted nocks.
Bought, built, bare shaft and nock tuned Sirius Apollo 250s (100gn insert, 100gn point, 560gn, 16ish%) annnnd now they get to collect dust because I can’t afford the non-rez. hunting licenses in Oregon since I moved here on a whim 4 weeks ago chasing work (hence why I can’t afford it) and I’m not a resident until 6 mo. Anyways that’s what I WOULD have been shooting. Oh well, I doubt they’ll rot.
Thanks for sharing your findings on your top 3 arrows for 2020. Sadly mine wouldn't make it and I am definitely having trouble with arrow flight and consistency (missed two doe at 25-30 yards, one way over the back the other way under). My arrows that I mentioned in your previous video are the Carbon Xpress Mayhem SDS 350s 11.25 GPI with a 45 grain half in/half outsert and blazers. I have the Magnus Stinger Buzzcut 4 blade 100 grain broadheads and Nocturnal nocks. For right around 500 total arrow weight. It tends to kick out right and land low left at 30 yards. My bow is an old PSE from 06' set at 60 lbs with a 29 inch draw shooting those arrows at 264 fps. Not sure if I shoot change broadheads to a 3 blade fixed like the G5 Montec CSs in 100 grain that I got or something else to fix my issue. If I can find a deal on one of those 3 arrows I may just start completely over. Oh and I literally laughed out loud at the Ranch Fairy impersonation which was spot on. Haha .... The side by side of heavy vs light arrow was ridiculously cool. The heavy arrow seems to fly higher and drop in which could be a problem in tighter shooting windows. Not sure still relatively new to diving more into archery even though I have had that bow since 06.
It sounds to me like your arrow setup Is probably ok but you may have a bow tuning issue, hand torque or face pressure issue. I'm working on a "my bow won't shoot broadheads video" but look into broadhead tuning and see if you can get closer. I've been there!
@@brandonmcdonald6121 That is what my one cousin who shoots a lot of archery was saying. He said that if your bow isn't tuned properly (properly nocked tuned arrows as well) that one won't shoot fixed blades accurately on a consistent basis no matter how good one's form is. I have a kisser button and shoot an old Cabela's wrist release as well. When I got it restrung with a custom cable and string recently I wanted to go with the Bowmar Nose Button since everyone preaches three points of contact and I don't have my nose on the string, just the kisser button in the corner of my mouth. I was given a thumb release and it is okay, would need more practice with it since I have only ever used that wrist release. Thanks for your thoughts on my issue and I look forward to that video. I really need to find a quality pro shop within a couple hours of home to help me as well.
Any reason you didn’t dive into the DaySix setup the way you did for the Victory and Easton setup? I just got the DaySix system and would love to hear your thoughts on it now that you’ve had it for a while. Especially with the hefty price. I’d imagine people want to know if it’s worth the cost.
I still really like both of my day6 setups. Super durable, straight shooters. Only busted shafts were from stacking broadheads or hitting metal in 3d targets.
The set up you mentioned is close to what I currently shoot victory vap 125 point 50 grain outsert but I am shooting a 3 fletch tac vane 3 degree left helical. How was your experience with black eagle ?
Love this video. You should check out black eagle deep impacts. They solve the problem you were talking about with micro diameter arrows being brittle. They are on the heavy side, but the wall thickness is so significant, it is worth it IMO. Love the content! Keep it coming!!! 🤙🏼
Folks that are into speed usually measure the speed off the bow but what is the speed down range? The lighter arrows lose speed faster than the heavier arrows. Thanks for the demo.
I have taken the Victory VAP TKO's shafts in the sport model & with nock tuning I can get everyone in a dozen to fly immaculate. Having said that I'm sure somewhere on a grassy knoll there is someone looking to put a bullet through my head. Last year I put the Victory 95 grain steel outserts on my micros & I had 1 failure in practice & 1 failure on a deer but it was a big bodied deer & the arrow stuck in the opposite side in a very compromised position. I'm sure a tire iron would have bent on that one. This year with the Valkyrie system 210 short Jag in practice it has met all my expectations in repeatability & toughness. The heads r so sharp that I don't want to even look @ them for fear of a papercut. We aren't talking cape Buffalo setup here. Just 30 inch draw with 62 lbs. Total arrow weight @ 300 spine with the 210 grain head is around 570. It shoots so quiet & accurate it's ridiculous. I hunt from a saddle in a 🌳 so I will never use a 70 lb. setup so I'm not sure if the same results would apply. But I used ACC's for 2 decades & never thought the momentum of this system would produce these results 😳
Those jag heads are insane. I was testing a few heads just pushing then into the ballistics gel and I couldn't believe how easily they went in compared to some of the others.
@@brandonmcdonald6121 12 days ago I shot a doe that I watched all summer. She was hanging out with her mother who is huge & has 1 fawn & the other fawn was hit by a car 2 months ago. Anyway when I shot this doe she was too close for my Tactacam to record the hit. I got her on camera as she went away & then she stopped & looked around like she wasn't even hit. I couldn't see the entrance but the exit was very close to the last rib. The jag went through her above the lungs on both sides. No blood & the arrow didn't even smell. She was eating 🍎 in a neighbors yard & u could see the exit wound which was just a spot. That arrow went through her so quickly w/o hitting even a bone & I sharpened it like new. I had over 10 minutes to prepare for the shot & I was squatting as low as I could so the angle wouldn't be so severe. She took a short step ahead & slightly toward me when I fired the Stan. I had too small of a peep on a cloudy morning but after sunrise & never caught that step. I had it tight on the shoulder which would have made a quick recovery. She looked like she has been hitting the feed bag hard. Now there's a new house going up which takes away their usual travel route. Sunday morning is probably the only time now to go there & not might be a stretch. 2020 is sure throwing a lot of curve balls @ us. Have a good season 👍
Enjoyed the video. Great info. But the time to the target is not the benefit of a lighter arrow. It’s trajectory. The question is do I lose more critters to penetration or distance mistakes. The answer is not the same for everyone. Personally I have only lost one to penetration in 38 years hunting multi states. I have lost more than that to yardage mistakes. I choose as heavy as I can while still providing good trajectory. For me and my poundage and draw length that’s 470-500. My one penetration problem could have been solved with a more reasonable size broadhead at the same weight.
Agreed. I think for me a fixed head out front of 450g gets it done. I just think for white tail guys in a stand where trajectory isn’t an issue, heavy is fine. Overall I just want people to think about it
I guess everyone is gonna be launching logs now... But seriously, this gives new archery folks a better idea of what to look for and how to build arrows. Because you can go down some deep rabbit holes on arrow builds!
I went from VAPs to RIPs this season, didn't find the VAP to be durable enough either. Using the Ethics Archery insert/sleeve system with the 60gr post and 60gr sleeve. The arrows have proven to be bombproof for me this season. The only positive I've found with a light arrow is trajectory, the only negative to a heavy arrow is trajectory.
This information is something I needed to see and here, I was going to switch to FMJ's next year but now I am going to build a Iron Will Axis set-up. Already shooting those arrows and love them so no need to change. I am referencing this information to all my Army Archery buddies. Rock on man! E Co. 1-509th (ABN) IN REGT SGT Barnett, Out.
I’ve had great luck with a 300 Victory RIP TKO, 3 2” feathers, nockturnal nock, with 100 grain ethics insert and 125 grain tip. I also use your favorite bow, the Bowtech Revolt X. The Kure was a very close second choice. (27.5” DL)
Brandon Mcdonald I know, I just couldn’t help myself. Excited to see what the new bows have to offer. I’m happy with my arrow setup but honestly am curious about going heavier. I’m around 500 grains now.
Personally I have a pile of about 80 different Victory's w/ all kinds of insert/outsert. And w/o a doubt the sleeve and insert in stainless or titanium is by far the best. I have found over time outsert systems like the Victory SS or Ethics/Black Eagle will bend and its just a matter of time. Especially w/ more force like my 80# Insanity pushes. The Iron Will is built on a Swiss Machine extremely good tolerances and they have options on the light end all the way to heavy. Whatever you run I recommend this combo over any plain outsert. Stay away from aluminum anything IMO. Great video! I will have try the Day 6 and I think the Valkyrie looks awesome but others compete for much less money and you are trapped with only their components and w/ Iron Will your free to move about the cabin!
I did notice any of the aluminum outserts on the victorys would slightly bend over time with regular everyday shooting. Valkyrie does have options for normal broadheads, but I just jumped in to see how it all works together with that long center pin. Just got a new set 450g up front on a 200 spine arrow. Mid 700s total weight. I can't shoot it with the vxr and get good groups but my Traverse that's 10lbe lighter was lights out today at 60 yards.
Hey I thought you might want to have another thing to keep you up at night... Is 3 - 4 fletchings really that good or could you get away with only 2. I have some videos on my channel with me shooting 2 fletchings in high speed that you are more then welcome to use. 😉
I have found that you can have an arrow that is NOT nock tuned but close and make it get a bullet hole and adjust the rest to make it work.. I was even able to get them to impact vertically out to 70 yards.. the problem comes obvious with groups.. some arrows won't have good flight and appears as a weak spine...
Thanks brandon. I'm 2 years into honing this craft and have had some challenges because I have a 32 inch draw length. I have heard John Dudley say that he is looking for 288 ft per second for his accuracy as one component of his strategy in archery. I think I am left with no choice but to figure out the right configuration with a 70 lb bow. I have only heard him talk about it one time in like a 5 second phrase. Do you have any thoughts on the topic of a certain optimal feet per second?
He keeps in that range for fixed blade heads some states he hunts he can’t use mechanicals and when you start getting into the 300 FPS range it makes it darn near impossible to tune a fixed blade head
The Victory RIP TKO's are awesome. They are tougher than the regular VAP's and shoot amazing. The diameter goes up a bit but the increased toughness is amazing.
I picked up 1/2 dozen a few months ago and they’ve been solid so far. Haven’t done the full on destruction test I normally do, but they’ll hold up better than the elites, I can already tell
@@brandonmcdonald6121 My friend who owns the pro shop locally recommended them to me. I was going to buy another dozen of the 5mm Easton Axis and he steered me towards them. I couldn't be happier. The regular Axis shafts feel cheap after handling the TKO's now.
Bro.. I got some day six 250 spine with 100 grain outsert and 200 gran single bevel..! That thing is trucking..! Just got the VAP elite 300s and already having issues with the outsert and breaking..! Will shoot till they dead and gone then I’m back to day six..!
Dude. The speed to target comparison was gold. 🤘
I agree!
Agreed
This is out freaking standing. You dropped so many nuggets of gold in this video. This is a must watch for anyone getting into setting up their own bows and arrows!!!
Loved the overlay of the two trajectory shots, haven't seen that before. Keep up the awesome content!
Thanks. It was honestly super helpful for me to see as well. Seems like those 850g dudes are crawling, but they really aren't.
To my mind that is the perfect way to test arrow flight and see the actual difference. I may just be slow but I have tried a new setup and either did or didn’t like it right off the bat was it better or worse who knows but with this you can see and even though you are shooting it kinda takes out the fooling yourself
The amazing part is that sure the 850g arrows are slower but they maintain that speed better than the lighter arrow. They're essentially bullets with tails.
Thank y'all for watching. What arrows are y'all shooting this year?
Axis 300 that is 510 grains
Really important question for you. Do you align your fletching with your two blade broadheads? If not, have you noticed any difference?
Gold tip hunter xt 300 spine cut at 27 inches, 458 grains total arrow weight with 14 percent foc.
Gold Tip Pierce Platinums: 481 grains, 32" (30.5" cut arrow) draw lenth, and 67# draw weight gives me 295 FPS. This yields approximately .63 M and 93 KE. I hunt in CO for elk and in TX for deer and pigs and this seems to be a good compromise of speed and arrow mass for great penetration.
Black Eagle X Impacts - 300 spine, 100grn F.O.C.O.S. insert/outsert with a 100 grn QAD Exodus broadhead. Total weight is 460grns. Bow is a Mathews VXR 31.5 70lb mods pulling 72lbs at a 28.5” dl.
That heavy/light arrow video overlay was absolute genius. Subbed.
Thanks for the sub!
The Ranch Fairy bit made my day😂😂
I'd seen this video before I knew who the Ranch Fairy was, I'm re-watching this 6 months later, and it cracked me up this time!
I love these bite sized videos! They're full of information but just short enough that while watching you don't get lost and start to wander.
Lol, I remember somewhere in psych class...attention span < 12 minutes.
So impressed with your content. If amazes me every time I watch one of your vids that you don’t have more subscribers. You are bound to blow up one of these days. Thank you for putting out great content. It does not go unnoticed.
RF impression killed me! Great series of videos, looking forward to the best arrow series ever this year
Now that was a great video!!! Well done Brandon!! The part of the video showing you shoot the different arrow weights at the target was outstanding. Thank you for that.
Good show old boy! I knew you'd come around! To be honest, I don't have much more experience than you. You may have even passed me up since I am just now getting back into hunting after a long hiatus. I did believe however, that the first time I saw the heavy arrow math; as you superbly display in this video...it was THE way to go, for me. Good luck with your future videos. I watched Ranch Fairy over and over. He says "got to tinker", he's right. But,there are people out there that are better at following directions, and I see an opportunity for you to help them dial it in. For example: I had my rest and nock point ALL over the place for a day, trying to figure out WHY I'm still throwing nun-chucks...wrong spine...sounds easy now, but for someone that doesn't have the time/patience to tinker, overwhelming. Those are the people that might continue to shoot flappers and pay less attention to perfect arrow flight, IMO. Looking forward to the BEST penetration test as promised...my vote is for "Meat Pinata's".
I think no matter what test I end up with, I'm calling it the "meat pinatas!" Haha
Just found your channel tonight....already in my top three favs of ALL of my subscriptions....love the personality, the honesty, and your no BS, strait shooting. Sense of humor is also on point! Great stuff brother.
I think the difference in impact time is actually more at closer distances and less the further the two arrows travel - as opposed to what you suggested in the video, since the lighter arrows starts faster but then decelerates faster than a heavier one.
Good job and great quality video and music. Award quality stuff here! I'm up from 425gr to 522gr. I'm shooting 262fps and having a hard time building heavier because of the speed loss. Thanks for putting the video together and looking forward to next year's video.
How fast is a leaf blowing in the wind when it passes by a deer without a flinch. The only downfall of shooting 260 fps is how close u set yourself up for a shot. If u have a quiet bow/ arrow setup & u r above them @ a short distance they react after the arrow is in the ground after the arrow passes through them. The only deer I want to even see @ 50 yards is the 1 coming through thick cover heading straight for me. The goal is to shoot inside 15 yards with a high level of predictability.
How is the set up doing? I'm looking at a 522 set up with 125gr bh up front.
It was great to chat with you Brandon. Glad we could provide you with some more resources. There's a LOT to take in when making these considerations.
It was great timing so everything was fresh In my brain! Thanks again.
This year I went with the Micro diameter Easton FMJ's and a deep six inserts @ 100g point weight. It was very basic and the results were pretty embarrassing, I've never been so disappointed with such an expensive decision in arrows, ever. I would watch video after video on trying to understand what the FOC and calculating the right balance in spine stiffness, point weight and total arrow weight. It was pretty stressful to try and figure it all out and it really made me nervous to try to hunt ethically. I didn't want to be that guy who shoots the hind quarter and do more harm than good. Next year's set up I'm hoping I have more of an understanding of how this all works and I feel like so far you have made more sense of how I'm supposed to be set up for myself, so thank you and I look forward to the next video about arrows.
All my arrow troubles went away when I switched to Victory VAP. Also bow tuning was very easy with bareshaft nocktuned VAPs.
Great video! I really enjoyed the trajectory overlay.
Need to do more of that.
Unbelievable content and videography . You are very good at what you are doing .
Thank you for not over complicating this topic!!! For me you hit the highlights of what I was thinking for arrow selection!
That arrow flight comparison overlay was amazing! You got my sub
Best breakdown I’ve seen on RUclips and I’ve been down this rabbit hole for over a year now. This 3 part was unbiased and without agenda. Also covered all sides of the topics and showed actual video of it in practice. I luv the character that is the ranch fairy but he’s like talking politics with liberals and conservatives. It’s his way or no way seemingly. I don’t shoot corn fed pigs at known distances on most hunts so there’s got to be an alternative. Yes 90% of my shots are goin to be 30 and in but I do not wanna be caught watching a booner stroll through a cut at 45 and wonder is that 40 or 46 and guess wrong by a couple yds and miss. Now I practice exclusively at 40+ so I know if I have decent shot at 45ish it’s more then doable. My current setup is 28” draw 72lb bow 28in arrow weighting 442gr. 13.5foc. This flys at 280fps and has a 100gr Magnus black hornet ser razor. I consider this on the low side of a compromise and think if I stay between 440-480gr I can still maintain that middle ground where I think arrow flight and speed are the best while getting good foc. More weight and I think the sacrifice comes in accuracy and that’s a bigger issue for me. I kill 200 deer with my old setup when in 90’s speed was the thing. That set up I worked out the other day was same bow specs but I was shooting a 364gr arrow so opposite side of pendulum. Shot a moose at 55yds clean pass through. Again thanks for videos very informative and like both sides of coin!!!
This is best video I think you’ve made. I used to shoot vaps back in the gap. Broke the outsert on every animal I shot. Shattered several shafts as well. Oddly. They would crack on the nock .... very accurate. Loved practicing with them. But I trashed every arrow I put in an animal. You mention the axis.... my very first arrow. Loved them. Tough arrows , put them through some tough animals. But if an when you break one with a HIT insert it’s kinda game over . Great arrow , one of the best every made. I’ve been shooting maxima reds since their inception. Probably not as tough as the axis .... but in my opinion in my experiences it’s been one of the best tuning. So i kinda just stuck with them.....they pass through, they fly straight. Not the match grade groups I used to shoot with vaps , but they do well for me.
This video just feels like a tease! Was hoping for more nerd data
might give us another 3-5 DB on the final edit Brandon. Audio is a little weak. As always thanks for the awesome cinemaphotography. The layered double arrow shot was a thing of beauty.
I keep spending all my money on archery gear and it's probably time for a little computer/ audio setup... Thanks for the heads up
Just found your channel and absolutely loved this mini series. Subbed and shared! Keep up the great work.
I would like to echo some of the previous commenters - the side-by-side comparison of the two arrows was telling. Victory VAP elite 300 spine with a 95 grain insert has been my arrow for the last two years. Thank you for the great content - you should be on prime time TV.
I was surprised the time to impact was so close. Trajectory still seemed pretty rough if you're spot and stalking in thick stuff.
Love your videos! And that spine check at 4:09 was spot on. 😄👍🏻
The face makes all the difference 😂
Nice, short run down, I'm looking forward to the full version next year... one vote in the heavy arrow column.
I'm slinging CE 350 Pile Drivers tipped with Tooth of the Arrow 125 grain XLs at ~ 270 fps out of a Halon 32 with a 30" draw at 72#.
Love the Halon 32. Great bow
Love your videos, well done. I am working on heavy arrows thanks to Troy but you do a great job explaining and demonstrating. The dual arrow shot was better than a thousand words.
LOVE the video comparaison! the trajectory and time on target is realy cool
Thanks for watching!
Your videos are of high quality and professional. Outstanding channel. Great shout out to the Ranch Fairy! Funny stuff.
(ranch ferry style). Hahaaaaa!!!
Came here from watching a Ranch Fairy video... I’m dying! 🤣
Great video!
Great job!!! That overlay between heavy and light arrow was awesome! Thanks for the great content keep it up!
Listen up arrow company’s send this man a ton of free arrows!! 😂 first time I’ve felt like I completely understand what a persons talking about and I’ve been Bowhunting for about 20 years now!! Gr8 stuff love your content!
I was waiting for you to say, part 4 coming soon,😀Loved these series,and I lol at your ranch fairy imitation😅
I've literally shot part 4 twice already... More to say!!
I totally agree. I mostly hunt elk with my bow and wanted a heavier arrow. I shoot 72lb prime bow with a 250 spine Day Six arrow with 125gr 2 blade broadhead, coming in at 620 grains. Best shooting combo I have shot so far. The trajectory is a little more but hunting the PNW most of my shots are closer and they hammer elk. As always, awesome video quality!
On a different note, after struggling with learning video editing I sure appreciate the work you've done with this video.
Editing has a steep curve on the front end. I had a rough first 6 months! I still watch RUclips tutorials on video editing at least once or twice a week. I really enjoy it though
Great video. Especially because I'm having a bit of an arrow funk right now.
For about half of this season, I will be shooting Axis 340 with the hit insert, Kudu 125 point, and standard accessories for whitetail. Total arrow weight is 444. I'm shooting 62 lbs and a 27.5in draw on my vxr 31.5.
While these arrows are super accurate and really consistent, I am not happy with the hit insert. I'm going to try different arrows going on, but if I knew the hit insert was so flimsy, I definitely would have chosen something else. I am also wanting to go a bit heavier. Around 500 grains. I'm shopping for arrows right now. This is just what my bow is tuned for at the moment. It will do. For now. Until I make my next order on arrows. Also, Kudu points ROCK. Fly great, super sharp. Especially when you start stropping. But the way the blade is shaped makes it a bit difficult to sharpen. Other than that, I have never had a broadhead fly so well.
Incredible videos!! Looking forward to seeing the arrow in testing video!
Amazing editing on the shooting part, great visualization Brandon, thanks for doing that!
Thanks for watching!
So stoked that I found you. Thanks for your knowledge.
Thanks for watching!
Awesome info, Thank you. Question;;;; I've not shot a compound bow since I was 10 years old, want to get back into it for hunting (pig,deer, javalina)......Im on a budget.....What do you think of the Hoyt Trorrex for a beginner bow at the price point under $700? If you suggest any others to look at please let me know. I currently hunt with a PCP big bore air gun so my skill set is already very similar to bow hunting ranges ( Under 100 yards).
People seem to really like that bow although I haven't shot one yet. I would not hesitate to get a Bow that's a few years old as long as it's in good condition. You can probably get a fantastic bow for 500 bucks or less. If you look on Archery talk guys will sell a full setup for less than $1,000 with arrows releases sites etc all included. The biggest thing is just making sure it's in good shape and is safe to shoot
@@brandonmcdonald6121 Brandon, much appreciated, thank you for the response....
This year I am running easton axis 340's with an ethics stainless footer (40 grains) with the standard HIT insert, 3 fletch with 3" bohning x vanes. Total with regular easton x nock is 440 grains. At my 26.5" DL I think its a good balance of speed and momentum. Plus the total arrow set up isn't that expensive. As always awesome video Brandon! Keep them coming!
Lighted nocks at night trajectory and speed comparison was sick! I'm building a new hunting arrow this year and want to pick your brain. Bow - Mathews V3 31, 60 lbs, 27". Where would you start for an arrow broadhead combination for mule deer hunting out west?
I'm a 32" draw @ 70+ pounds. 430gn is the lightest I can go on arrow unless I spend lots more bugs on some victory arrows. Hunting I do with 570gn arrows and just love the hitting power. Decided this year to hunt with my 430gn arrow (at 304fps and Montec M3 BH) to see how it holds up. No issue with penetration but got internal deflection of the arrow. The exit wound was about a foot off from where it should have been,
My new arrows will be 645gn and it will leave my bow at approximately 255-260fps. I'm smiling as you have confirmed, not much difference in flight time. Important point you also pointed out. You need to tune your own bow to perfection.
With your draw length you've REALLY got to make sure you're tuned! Sounds like you've taken the time.
@@brandonmcdonald6121 True story! Luckily the Traverse is kind to me. :-) (Contemplating to get the 75% let-off mods)
Your content and production quality is top notch.
I just shot a video that's out of focus for the first 13 minutes... Coincidence! Thank you
I'm probably one of your newest subscribers, I follow you and Troy fowler (( The Ranch fairy )) I love the video you guys did together where you touched on everything from religion to family and Archery, So, what I want to say is in recent years (( since 2020 )) I've had to drop my draw weight down drastically (( from 70lbs to 55lbs )) due to a accident I was involved in on the job (( I won't bore you with details )) my Question to YOU is, I have two sets of Arrows I'm currently working with, half are 500gr and up, the other half are in around 395ish I'd like to settle on one or the other, because of my draw weight, should I be shooting a lighter Arrow? Or Heavy Arrow? I'm thinking Heavy, for a harder impact down range, BUT Now you have me thinking MAYBE a lighter Arrow might be the way to go to get a flatter trajectory and maybe some better Speed, I interested in your thoughts on this ... 😎🏹🎯
I also went with the Daysix setup this year. I don't think there's a straighter, more durable, consistent arrow on the market. Plus, Brian is a great dude running a small business, and I always enjoy supporting that. I am definitely still gonna build a set of Sirius Apollo's, though. I want to see if I can get my weight down just a little, to increase FOC. Right now TAW is at 758g with 20% up front. I'm hoping I can get an Apollo build done closewr to 650/25%.
Great video as always Brandon! The dual/overlapped footage of the 400/800 flight is some straight "Mic Drop" action. I really want to show that to every RF-hater, and let them figure out how to get their foot outta their own mouth. Hope you're enjoying your season so far bud, and good luck with the rest of it!
Black eagle rampage, 300 spine, 31 inch draw, 100 grain outsert with 100 grain qad swipe blade broad head, 4 flech low profile heat fleching, two degree off set, 20 grain black eagle pin nocks. 502 grains. Matthew 31.5 70lb 279fps. This is the best shooting / flying combo out to 110 yds. It shoots better than me if that makes since. 80 is my so called hunting limit but the penetration at 110 is amazing.
Watched your video and went to buy Easton Axis arrows.. Picked up the new 4mm Long Range Match 300grain arrows. Have you tried these yet? I won't be able to even try them for another month but I'm excited to test them out. Appreciate the great content btw!
Just curious if you have taken a look at the Sirius archery arrows with Ethics inserts? I'm thinking about getting a set. They are a woven carbon and look tough as hell. Plus they have test packs...get 2 of two different spine arrows and different weight field tips. Just curious to get your take on this arrow keep up the great content bro. Loved the shot overlay. That was gold.
Interested to hear if you have gotten your hands on the GrizzlyStik TDT arrows. They are tapered carbon shafts. I've been running them for a few years now and the durability of these arrows is fantastic. I was also surprised to not see any mention of ethics insert systems they are an aftermarket insert with several designs and materials to make a "bullet proof" arrow.
I was reading about the GS arrows. I'd like to try them. Truth is I want to shoot a dozen of them all just to see how they do
I called it this is going to be a 4 part series. Great vid love your content. 6mm under armour axis have been great for me but was looking into those day 6 arrows.
I've reshot part 4 two times now and I'm still not happy!!!
Sent a link to you on Instagram
@@brandonmcdonald6121 Glad u r doing your due diligence. Too many half ass which is a half measure, videos out there already. Go big or stay home🧐
Good info. I set up some Victory VF TKO standard diameter arrows for elk this year, 200 grain Cutthroats, 525 grain total. Shot great out to 60.
Been testing out the VAP SS in 300 spine using their 50 grain Shok TL outserts and so far they are very impressive. Great groups and seem to be super tough. They were acting too stiff with a 125 grain point (490 gr total) so I threw on my 200 grain points and they tuned great and broadheads are flying awesome to 35 yards (all I’ve tried so far). I’m also ordering some 350 spine SS shafts to try with the 125 heads for a 465 grain setup. I hate having to buy extra components and I like the better selection and better flight characteristics of 125 grain heads.
I’m torn between better trajectory and heavy penetration power. I feel that good flight with a durable cut on contact fixed blade even in a slightly lighter setup will perform well as long as you don’t really muff the shot. I don’t have much personal experience to go off of though. It’s my second year bow hunting and so far have only shot two turkeys. Struck out on deer last year and elk this year. Waiting for late deer season here in western Oregon.
Sounds to me like you're in a good spot with all of those setups. Mid 400s to mid 500s makes good sense to me. As long as they're tuning well and grouping good. You'll have all the punch you'll need.
Love my 4 fletched victory tko’s. Running 13% foc. Fly great and very accurate
Sounds good to me!
As always great video .. very informative content...
Thanks for watching.
Excellent series. I appreciate the content
Thanks for watching
I watched the ranch fairy vid with a couple of the THP crew and went Wooooow, just like this one you just did,good help
I like the ones they did together
Another great video. 16 years ago I started bow hunting elk and information was hard to come by. I remembered an old chuck Adams article and the caption was shoot 6inch group like this with broad heads at fifty yards. Picture was a mountain gout with what I thought was a ten inch group. Lol I have learned the hard way. You make a very important point about proper spine for the bow you’re shooting . To much flex is horrible for retaining energy at longer ranges. I switched from 400 to 340 spine and instantly my 80 yard group closed right up. Even with the 340 spine being heavy it was hitting high at 80 yards compared to the 400. That is all do to how much flex I was getting from the 400. Do you think there could be a way to nock tune your arrows before you fletch them? Awesome shoot by the way. Looked incredible with those lighted nocks.
Spin your arrows with just the bare shafts and get one that either pins right or that you'll cut from the rear. Glue your insert system and start nock tuning bare shafts. I did the last group of Easton axis that way. Crazy to watch a 32" arrow tear 2" but by the time I cut I'd down to 28.5 the rear was 1/4". When you get to the 1/4" start nock tuning and then glue fletchings based on the nock location that's right for each arrow
@@brandonmcdonald6121 yes sir and thank you. Very ready to put that to use for next year. I used to flip my coffee table up and take the glass out of the center and paper tune threw that. Freezer paper was a bit tough lol . My wife wasn’t impressed. I just can’t wait to send everyone I hunt with that has a question about arrows or just anyone in general and say watch everything this guys has offered the world towards archery. If you ain’t found an answer by then we are not hunting together. Lol
Another great video. Im interested to try the Day 6 set up. Im just not a heavy arrow guy. I shoot 60lbs at 28in. So im usually in that 375 to 420 range. I try to maintain a 14 and up FOC. I generally have pass throughs without a problem. Day 6 and the owner are just flat phenomenal though. So I'll definitely end up supporting him regardless.
Side note, have you played with the VIP broadheads? I just bought them this year and have been impressed. FP accuracy is not a myth with these heads, so far. I ripped vanes off with my FP arrow at 60 yards. I think they would intrigue you.
Great 3 video series! Got me thinking. I agree about a happy medium for whitetail. 500-550ish with 12%+ FOC & sharp fixed broadheads, maybe? :shrug: Axis. The HIT inserts messes negatively with FOC.
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Being that weird guy that comments twice on the same video... Running a 300 spine Easton Bowhunter 6.5 with 4 fletch Bully vane and 150-175 grains up front and likewise find it to be the most accurate setup I have tried. Total weight 445-470 grains Sounds very similar to the Victory setup you had. Must just be something about that weight distribution.
That speed comparison bit was really well done. I'm shooting the victory rip gamers 300 spine with the gold tip airstrike aluminum insert and collar, and bohning heat vanes in a 4 fletch. The 2 piece insert system was a game changer as far as durability was concerned. Much better than the victory inserts. Total arrow weight is 486 grains.
Nice. That sounds like a solid setup
Thanks. I'm really happy with how they turned out. Now I just need to test them in the real world, which will hopefully be soon.
Overlaying the heavy and light arrow footage was so much better than "this arrow hit in this time, this arrow hit in this time". We can see and hear the difference. Not gonna lie though I was confused how you shot 2 arrow at once for a second
Some awesome information thanks Brandon!
Thanks for watching
Really looking forward to these test videos!
I’d like to get your thoughts on Nexxus arrows. Company out of Australia, the videos they show of shooting them at a anvil and it’s not even cracked it’s insane.
I’m more of a balanced arrow guy. My arrows weight 420 grains finished out, 70 lb Halon at 26.5” draw. Haven’t had one not pass through yet and can’t keep Morrell Block targets very long.
Yeah, brother. I was soooo close to stepping well over the 600 grain threshold, however the drop between 20 and 30 yards was just too much for me to be comfortable with. Ended up with 555 this go 'round. 60lb bow can only give me so much. Fantastic overlay with the lighted nocks.
555 sounds pretty freaking good to me. Good luck this fall.
What draw weight and draw length is that at?
Bought, built, bare shaft and nock tuned Sirius Apollo 250s (100gn insert, 100gn point, 560gn, 16ish%) annnnd now they get to collect dust because I can’t afford the non-rez. hunting licenses in Oregon since I moved here on a whim 4 weeks ago chasing work (hence why I can’t afford it) and I’m not a resident until 6 mo.
Anyways that’s what I WOULD have been shooting. Oh well, I doubt they’ll rot.
Just ordered two dozen day six one is 250 spine and one 275.
Can't wait until I make my builds....
Nice! Still enjoying mine
Thanks for sharing your findings on your top 3 arrows for 2020. Sadly mine wouldn't make it and I am definitely having trouble with arrow flight and consistency (missed two doe at 25-30 yards, one way over the back the other way under). My arrows that I mentioned in your previous video are the Carbon Xpress Mayhem SDS 350s 11.25 GPI with a 45 grain half in/half outsert and blazers. I have the Magnus Stinger Buzzcut 4 blade 100 grain broadheads and Nocturnal nocks. For right around 500 total arrow weight. It tends to kick out right and land low left at 30 yards. My bow is an old PSE from 06' set at 60 lbs with a 29 inch draw shooting those arrows at 264 fps. Not sure if I shoot change broadheads to a 3 blade fixed like the G5 Montec CSs in 100 grain that I got or something else to fix my issue.
If I can find a deal on one of those 3 arrows I may just start completely over.
Oh and I literally laughed out loud at the Ranch Fairy impersonation which was spot on. Haha .... The side by side of heavy vs light arrow was ridiculously cool. The heavy arrow seems to fly higher and drop in which could be a problem in tighter shooting windows. Not sure still relatively new to diving more into archery even though I have had that bow since 06.
It sounds to me like your arrow setup Is probably ok but you may have a bow tuning issue, hand torque or face pressure issue. I'm working on a "my bow won't shoot broadheads video" but look into broadhead tuning and see if you can get closer. I've been there!
@@brandonmcdonald6121 That is what my one cousin who shoots a lot of archery was saying. He said that if your bow isn't tuned properly (properly nocked tuned arrows as well) that one won't shoot fixed blades accurately on a consistent basis no matter how good one's form is.
I have a kisser button and shoot an old Cabela's wrist release as well. When I got it restrung with a custom cable and string recently I wanted to go with the Bowmar Nose Button since everyone preaches three points of contact and I don't have my nose on the string, just the kisser button in the corner of my mouth. I was given a thumb release and it is okay, would need more practice with it since I have only ever used that wrist release.
Thanks for your thoughts on my issue and I look forward to that video.
I really need to find a quality pro shop within a couple hours of home to help me as well.
Brandan do you feel at lower draw lengths that’s results would be similar as far as speeds and trajectory of light and heavy arrows?
Any reason you didn’t dive into the DaySix setup the way you did for the Victory and Easton setup? I just got the DaySix system and would love to hear your thoughts on it now that you’ve had it for a while. Especially with the hefty price. I’d imagine people want to know if it’s worth the cost.
I still really like both of my day6 setups. Super durable, straight shooters. Only busted shafts were from stacking broadheads or hitting metal in 3d targets.
This is great! And I've watched a lot of archery vids.
The shooting over lay footage was wicked.
Did that last minute but it was pretty cool. I need to do some more of those with a bit more time taken.
@@brandonmcdonald6121 your videography is pretty cool. Thanks for the content! Looking forward to seeing what's next!!
The set up you mentioned is close to what I currently shoot victory vap 125 point 50 grain outsert but I am shooting a 3 fletch tac vane 3 degree left helical.
How was your experience with black eagle ?
Love this video. You should check out black eagle deep impacts. They solve the problem you were talking about with micro diameter arrows being brittle. They are on the heavy side, but the wall thickness is so significant, it is worth it IMO.
Love the content! Keep it coming!!! 🤙🏼
Day6 is similar with a heavier gpi. I actually had a 6 pack of the deep impacts but traded then for something. I should have tried them out.
Folks that are into speed usually measure the speed off the bow but what is the speed down range? The lighter arrows lose speed faster than the heavier arrows. Thanks for the demo.
I have taken the Victory VAP TKO's shafts in the sport model & with nock tuning I can get everyone in a dozen to fly immaculate. Having said that I'm sure somewhere on a grassy knoll there is someone looking to put a bullet through my head. Last year I put the Victory 95 grain steel outserts on my micros & I had 1 failure in practice & 1 failure on a deer but it was a big bodied deer & the arrow stuck in the opposite side in a very compromised position. I'm sure a tire iron would have bent on that one.
This year with the Valkyrie system 210 short Jag in practice it has met all my expectations in repeatability & toughness. The heads r so sharp that I don't want to even look @ them for fear of a papercut. We aren't talking cape Buffalo setup here. Just 30 inch draw with 62 lbs. Total arrow weight @ 300 spine with the 210 grain head is around 570. It shoots so quiet & accurate it's ridiculous. I hunt from a saddle in a 🌳 so I will never use a 70 lb. setup so I'm not sure if the same results would apply. But I used ACC's for 2 decades & never thought the momentum of this system would produce these results 😳
Those jag heads are insane. I was testing a few heads just pushing then into the ballistics gel and I couldn't believe how easily they went in compared to some of the others.
@@brandonmcdonald6121 12 days ago I shot a doe that I watched all summer. She was hanging out with her mother who is huge & has 1 fawn & the other fawn was hit by a car 2 months ago. Anyway when I shot this doe she was too close for my Tactacam to record the hit. I got her on camera as she went away & then she stopped & looked around like she wasn't even hit. I couldn't see the entrance but the exit was very close to the last rib. The jag went through her above the lungs on both sides. No blood & the arrow didn't even smell. She was eating 🍎 in a neighbors yard & u could see the exit wound which was just a spot. That arrow went through her so quickly w/o hitting even a bone & I sharpened it like new. I had over 10 minutes to prepare for the shot & I was squatting as low as I could so the angle wouldn't be so severe. She took a short step ahead & slightly toward me when I fired the Stan. I had too small of a peep on a cloudy morning but after sunrise & never caught that step. I had it tight on the shoulder which would have made a quick recovery. She looked like she has been hitting the feed bag hard. Now there's a new house going up which takes away their usual travel route. Sunday morning is probably the only time now to go there & not might be a stretch. 2020 is sure throwing a lot of curve balls @ us. Have a good season 👍
As always wonderful well spoken information!
Love the channel and content. Who makes the half bow half antler hat?
Adam Greentree had it on his page for a while. I think it's branded bills.
What do you think of the Gold Tip Kinetic Kaos?
My guy! Great video series on arrows! Do you know when you will be doing the arrow test this year?
Not sure yet. Gearing up for bows!
Enjoyed the video. Great info. But the time to the target is not the benefit of a lighter arrow. It’s trajectory. The question is do I lose more critters to penetration or distance mistakes. The answer is not the same for everyone. Personally I have only lost one to penetration in 38 years hunting multi states. I have lost more than that to yardage mistakes. I choose as heavy as I can while still providing good trajectory. For me and my poundage and draw length that’s 470-500. My one penetration problem could have been solved with a more reasonable size broadhead at the same weight.
Agreed. I think for me a fixed head out front of 450g gets it done. I just think for white tail guys in a stand where trajectory isn’t an issue, heavy is fine. Overall I just want people to think about it
@@brandonmcdonald6121 you did a great job of it. I’m subscribed.
I guess everyone is gonna be launching logs now... But seriously, this gives new archery folks a better idea of what to look for and how to build arrows. Because you can go down some deep rabbit holes on arrow builds!
I went from VAPs to RIPs this season, didn't find the VAP to be durable enough either. Using the Ethics Archery insert/sleeve system with the 60gr post and 60gr sleeve. The arrows have proven to be bombproof for me this season. The only positive I've found with a light arrow is trajectory, the only negative to a heavy arrow is trajectory.
Makes sense to me. Ill be trying some of the other shafts for sure.
Another great video! Im shooting 5mm easton fmj's
Glad you found the arrow you like
This information is something I needed to see and here, I was going to switch to FMJ's next year but now I am going to build a Iron Will Axis set-up. Already shooting those arrows and love them so no need to change. I am referencing this information to all my Army Archery buddies. Rock on man!
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I just got some Sirius Apollos in, getting ready to fletch up. Hard to beat the Victory for the $$
I’ve had great luck with a 300 Victory RIP TKO, 3 2” feathers, nockturnal nock, with 100 grain ethics insert and 125 grain tip. I also use your favorite bow, the Bowtech Revolt X. The Kure was a very close second choice. (27.5” DL)
I'm fine with the revolt!! It just didn't work for me. I was probably a little hard on it in it's solo review.... Your setup sounds good to me!
Brandon Mcdonald I know, I just couldn’t help myself. Excited to see what the new bows have to offer. I’m happy with my arrow setup but honestly am curious about going heavier. I’m around 500 grains now.
Personally I have a pile of about 80 different Victory's w/ all kinds of insert/outsert. And w/o a doubt the sleeve and insert in stainless or titanium is by far the best. I have found over time outsert systems like the Victory SS or Ethics/Black Eagle will bend and its just a matter of time. Especially w/ more force like my 80# Insanity pushes. The Iron Will is built on a Swiss Machine extremely good tolerances and they have options on the light end all the way to heavy. Whatever you run I recommend this combo over any plain outsert. Stay away from aluminum anything IMO. Great video! I will have try the Day 6 and I think the Valkyrie looks awesome but others compete for much less money and you are trapped with only their components and w/ Iron Will your free to move about the cabin!
I did notice any of the aluminum outserts on the victorys would slightly bend over time with regular everyday shooting. Valkyrie does have options for normal broadheads, but I just jumped in to see how it all works together with that long center pin. Just got a new set 450g up front on a 200 spine arrow. Mid 700s total weight. I can't shoot it with the vxr and get good groups but my Traverse that's 10lbe lighter was lights out today at 60 yards.
To add: Brandon, the VAP SS seem to be a steel version of the Easton ACC & ACE arrows.
I died at the RF impersonation.
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Hey I thought you might want to have another thing to keep you up at night... Is 3 - 4 fletchings really that good or could you get away with only 2. I have some videos on my channel with me shooting 2 fletchings in high speed that you are more then welcome to use. 😉
I've actually shot some 2 as well and was surprised how well they did with target tips. I'll check out your channel.
I have found that you can have an arrow that is NOT nock tuned but close and make it get a bullet hole and adjust the rest to make it work.. I was even able to get them to impact vertically out to 70 yards.. the problem comes obvious with groups.. some arrows won't have good flight and appears as a weak spine...
Thanks brandon. I'm 2 years into honing this craft and have had some challenges because I have a 32 inch draw length. I have heard John Dudley say that he is looking for 288 ft per second for his accuracy as one component of his strategy in archery. I think I am left with no choice but to figure out the right configuration with a 70 lb bow. I have only heard him talk about it one time in like a 5 second phrase. Do you have any thoughts on the topic of a certain optimal feet per second?
He keeps in that range for fixed blade heads some states he hunts he can’t use mechanicals and when you start getting into the 300 FPS range it makes it darn near impossible to tune a fixed blade head
The Victory RIP TKO's are awesome. They are tougher than the regular VAP's and shoot amazing. The diameter goes up a bit but the increased toughness is amazing.
I picked up 1/2 dozen a few months ago and they’ve been solid so far. Haven’t done the full on destruction test I normally do, but they’ll hold up better than the elites, I can already tell
@@brandonmcdonald6121 My friend who owns the pro shop locally recommended them to me. I was going to buy another dozen of the 5mm Easton Axis and he steered me towards them. I couldn't be happier. The regular Axis shafts feel cheap after handling the TKO's now.
Great vid. Ive been messing around with heavier FOC arrows.
I need some new testing methods that actually show off the difference!
Bro.. I got some day six 250 spine with 100 grain outsert and 200 gran single bevel..! That thing is trucking..!
Just got the VAP elite 300s and already having issues with the outsert and breaking..! Will shoot till they dead and gone then I’m back to day six..!