I can't see a theroy like this ever being disproved for me with post factual evidance. Literally all I have to do mentaly to ignore the evidance of FNAF world and UCN is go "he changed his mind" like he pretty clearly aluded to doing. Perhaps I don't understand what you mean by it needing two retcons, because if fnaf 1-4 were as dream all along then the only retcon would be post fnaf 4 saying "nah it wasn't" If your standpoint is that 1-3 weren't dreams, 4 retconed them into dreams and fnafworld retconed them out, then I can easily see that being mentaly classified from scott as net 0 retcons, like he clearly does with saying clarrifying details aren't retcons.
“Grief” would make much more sense as to a reason why there’s sleeping pills vs Mike takes sleeping pills to punish himself with nightmares. That’s a ridiculous leap in logic
I mostly agree with this, but I also want to note just how deep the prior game parallels go, and it's not just the first game. The Nightmare Animatronics all have a feature or a missing element that matches perfectly with the Withered Animatronics. Nightmare Bonnie is missing the same foot, Nightmare Chica is missing the same knees and has the same massive hinged beak jaw, Nightmare Freddy has the same distinct ear and face shape, and Nightmare Foxy is missing the fur on the same ear. They also all have bulkier designs closer to the Withereds, with similar wear and tear. Look at Bonnie's jaw shape or Foxy's larger head for example. You also stop them using...a flashlight. You have two entrances on both sides, and a single giant entrance dead in the middle(where you can halt Foxy with a flashlight). In many ways every mechanic is a hybrid of the two games. You have doors, but the timing needs to be done properly or bad things happen to stop you from camping like the mask. The attack pattern matches FNAF 1 perfectly, but the designs are closer to 2. Foxy needs to monitored in his own 'cove' and he has stages of progression like in FNAF 1, but he comes from a big door in the middle and needs to be halted with a flashlight, just like in FNAF 2. Freddy needs to be kept an eye on least he get out of control, just like in FNAF 1. However, he's in a fixed location guarded by a single Freddy plush on top, a fixed location that needs to be checked on and reset constantly, because if it runs out he WILL get you doors or no doors...just like the Puppets Box in FNAF 2, A golden Freddy of Freddy shows up near the end, just like in 2. Whoever we play as in 4 has seen the Withereds AND the Classics, and has been at both the FNAF 1 and 2 locations as a guard. They've clearly seen the Puppet as Nightmare Freddy is based on it's behavior, and they've seen Balloon Boy as Nightmare BB is in the canon version of the Halloween Update. There's also Fun with Plushtrap. This suggests our protagonist has also had to stall Springbonnie from reaching them by freezing it in place. So for starters they've also worked at the FNAF 3 location as a guard. But, haulting an animatronic by hitting them with a flashlight? That's a FNAF 2 thing. Also also, look at the layout of Fun with Plushtrap. It's a big open corridor, two doors on each side with animatronic(s) popping in and out to approach you. You can see animatronics approaching down this hallway and must stop them with a flashlight. There's a single small light source above the door( a window in 4). THIS is literally the FNAF 2 office corridor. 4 doors, two on each side, a big central corridor animatronics walk down and must be halted with a flashlight, and a red glowing alarm light in the center middle. So alongside more 2 confirmation our protag has also worked at 3(further confirmed by the fact 3's unnamed Guard has hallucinations of the Classics, Withereds, AND Toys, suggesting he's seen all 3 generations and worked at the prior two locations). The IV, Pills, and Flowers are meant to be something that 'seems' like an obvious hint to us being BV/CC...until you think about it and realize he never woke up to see them. The only person who could have witnessed them is....a visitor. Like maybe the person we hear talking to him in his final moments....Foxy Bro... Oh and the Bedrooms in the minigames don't match. You can also prove he's Purple Guy's kid back then. Isn't it kind of weird how Fredbear Plush has a Purple Hat, and Purple Bow Tie, when all prior Golden Freddy's were black clothed? Nah that might be a coiencidence. How about this. There is no Fredbear Plush dialogue or even "Tomorrow is Another Day" in the Night 4 minigame(the one where you're locked in the storage room). Why would a ghost or spirit(most people at the time thought this was Golden Freddy or maaaaybe The Puppet) not be able to get in the room, why not end on the same note as all the others. There's also notably no Fredbear plushes in the building or on the road, just on the path to your house. Hmm. If only I had some clincher piece of evidence to prove my point. Oh yeah. There's exactly one time in the whole game you can HEAR Fredbear Plush without seeing him. The other times you can't see him he very explictly does not talk(him not talking in the Night 4 minigame and not saying the tomorrow line really sticks out), just this one time. Where? Oh you know...right outside the red door, in the scene where if you walk backwards when you aren't supposed to you catch William on the other side. A lot of people asked what the point of that scene was at the time as it didn't seem to tell us anything, that's what I see. The plush has purple kit no prior GF had, it can't usually speak if the plush isn't there suggesting it's not supernatural(if it was a ghost from the suit in the backroom, why can't it speak then?) and the ONLY scene where it does speak while off-screen is the scene an easter egg reveals Purple Guy is literally behind the curtain. Once you know these plushes are cameras and speakers, you know Purple Guy has access to this house, heavy access, and bugged the entire pathway there. You also know he's the one speaking at the final minigame when Crying Child is dying in the hospital, right after Foxy Bro speaks. Those two things combined basically confirm he's family. And if you know that, you can make some assumptions about the motives of the guards in the prior game, why they never leave, finally letting the community get why that's where they wanna be and why they wanna stay. We could have figured out Foxybro was the player character, that he was Mike Schmidt, Fritz Smith, and 3 Guard, and that this was Purple Guy's family, AND that Mike is going after his dad later, all with 4 alone. And with the Silver Eyes you could literally get the full name, that tells us Purple Guy is named William Afton. If you were one of the people who was willing to borrow elements like that for the games(and also many many people at the time thought Mike Schmidt and Fritz Smith sounded like fake names for many reasons and used that for many theories) you'd say if our dad is Purple Guy and Purple Guy is named William Afton we must be Mike(Micheal) Afton or perhaps Fritz Afton(though the books confirm he's British so probably the former).
kalkuttadrop, is that you? Lmao joking aside, you beat me to posting about this (particularly how the Nightmares heavily resemble their Withered selves). I've never heard anyone mention how strange it was that we never heard Psychic Friend Fredbear during scenes where Crying Child was locked in Parts and Service and where he died on his tragic birthday. That's really cool and just strengthens not only WillPlush but AftonMM and MikeRunaway for me even more. Kudos. If I may ask, what do you think of MM?
I think there's a lot in favor of all of this! To add though, Funtime Foxy has the exact same snout type as Nightmare Foxy in 4. While this probably means nothing since both are made by Afton come SL, Funtime Foxy is canonically the only jump scare Mike ever actually experienced. Which matches Nightmare Foxy in FNaF 4 jumpscaring you with the same Endo snout. Also, I know my opinion is a lil controversial, but I'm team AftonMM, BVRunaway, MimicFootprint
Another thing tying Fnaf 4 to the previous games is the Michael/Foxy parallel. In Fnaf 2 Withered Foxy jumpscares you by jumping out from behind a camera monitor. In Fnaf 4, Michael scares the Crying Child by jumping out from behind the TV while wearing his Foxy mask.
Screwing this whole thing up also massively threw off peoples ability to solve Sister Location. Had all this been solved the "We play as William Afton" thing would never have taken off. The problem was even if people recognized the "Mike" sticker in the first night or got the "Sister" double meaning or took notice of Baby not recognizing us, nobody could fully put the pieces together because all those clues seemingly pointed to different directions. Mike suggested Mike Schmidt, but he had no characterization as far as people thought(and also that being our name was just...broadly missed. The community settled on calling the protag 'Eggs Benedict' because most people either didn't see it or thought it was HandUnits name or didn't think it was proof it was our name because they missed HandUnits line about it being 'our name as seen above the keypad', and once that was popular people refused to change their minds and nitpicked the wording or just said everyone already used EB). not to mention Mike Schmidt was still thought by many to be William. The Sister thing was noticed, but many people viewed it as "The Sister Character from 4" and not "Literally the protags Sister". Sure Baby didn't recognize us, but she thinks we're William in the ending so clearly that was misdirection right? I mean, all this other evidence suggests we have to be someone closely involved with Mr. Afton, and he has no known family or close friends in game with Henry not canon yet......because we had completely missed finding a family member in the prior game.
@@kalkuttadrop6371 You know what I find funny about the Mike sticker is that Markiplier was one of the very first people to connect it to Mike Schmidt. Yet *no one else did!* ☠️
Hand Unit saying "reflect on past mistakes" combined with the sticker that says Mike is just sending me now since it seemed like nobody knew were playing as Foxy Bro until Scott just comes out and literally says it in the custom night dlc
But actually, I think it’s probably because of the purple eyes at the end of the game, most of the community did not know Mike was an important character outside of FNaF 1 and Elizabeth thinking Mike is William
I think when interpreting Scott's quotes from the GTLive stream, its important to remember the context those quotes were given in; steering a discussion. It feels a bit foolhardy to take them as gospel, especially when Scott's comments in Dawko's interview about how he thought when he steered discussion that it sent people down the wrong path is likely to be about that stream. There are definitely answers to these questions, but I doubt they're as consequential as people make them out to be.
I like to compare to FNAF 2 because Scott also made that game intentionally confusing. All the pre-release material told us this was a sequel, the first couple phone calls have hints of it being a sequel(mentioning an old pizza place, a prior guard who finished his week, the Withereds, the mention of the modern building design with no doors or power issues), but it was actually a prequel and the bulk of the hard evidence proves it. FNAF 2's phone calls mention an incident, that many at the time initially thought was the MCI. But nope, this is actually a seperate mass murder, the MCI already happened. FNAF 2's calls mention an old location called Fredbear's Family Diner, which many people thought WAS the first pizzeria, but no that's seperate from the OG Freddys. It also had something people thought meant one thing, but ended up meaning something else int he sequel('yellow suit'). People solved that game by and large within about a month and mostly spent the rest of the time on niche subtheories or debating the identity of a character not meant to have a secret identity. FNAF 3 toned down the misdirection and was largely cracked in a week. I think Scott wanted it to take a while to solve again and with the community so much more developed wanted to challenge everyone. I think part of the problem here was that in FNAF 2 the lore was a lot shallower. FNAF 1 didn't have a ton going on in itself, there were no minigames, so it was just "Where do the murders happen?" and "When do the actual in-game events of FNAF 1 happen relative to FNAF 2?", there wasn't a ton of pieces you needed to factor in from 1. So even if there were radical disagreements or big changes it was pretty easy to shift everything around as the total amount of 'events' was lower. By FNAF 4 we had the entire 1-3 timeline so things were more sluggish. I also think Scott layed on the 87s a bit too heavy, specifically in the source code, the 87 believers never 'gave in' the way the FNAF 2 sequel believers did mostly because of that. The biggest issue might have actually been by that point the community was getting too centralized around Matpat. FNAF 2 and 3 had a ton of smaller creators active(Smike, 8Bit Gaming, Grumpy Bear, Razzbowski, Blackfootferret, Dawko at the time, IronMango, that guy who did 10 facts and theories, Andiematronic), but many of them retired or got burned out around that time and Matpat had gained a solid reputation as the 'lore herald' after his FNAF 3 2-Parter. With all the extra lore many of these guys fell behind or just couldn't make theories that could account for all the moving parts anymore, leaving just 2 or 3 big creators to steer the ship, and if they got things wrong initially it would be borderline impossible to right things. And that's exactly what happened. Matpat rushed out an 87 theory that he recanted, and even when that was solved nobody seemed to be able to agree on basic concepts. People got stuck in their initial mindsets. Psychic Frriend Fredbear HAD to be a ghost right, nothing else is lore interesting? We're OBVIOUSLY playing as Crying Child, who HAS to haunt someone AND it can't overlap with anyone else. You couldn't get people to assume they had been reading the whole game wrong even though a couple people on Reddit at various points were on the right track, they got shot down. I also think the stream is kind of a greek tragedy in how it played out. Scott's Clues got robbed of the context in the stream in which he gave them, his 4th clue he dropped in the chat got lost to time for a while, and Matpat went down the backwards train of thought which in turn took half the community down that wrong path, and sent the other half on the defense making them inflexable too. Any evidence that was supposed to lead you to the right conclusion was either taken as Dream Theory evidence or written off as an easteregg. All because Matpat in a moment of brief thinking concluded "FNAF 2 elements in FNAF 4 means 2 is from the Crying Child's POV and thus a dream" and not "FNAF 2 elements in FNAF 4 means we're playing as someone who was at 2 and thus isn't the Crying Child"
I need to know, was the “fourth hint” actually Scott? Wasn’t it a fake Scott account? From the clip I’ve seen Mat was reacting to someone in the chat saying “Scott asked about the guards” or smth like that. If it was a Scott clue why didn’t he post it on the website
@@zetorocks811 RUclips did not record chat at the time so it's literally impossible to confirm or not. I remember it was him, but I haven't been arsed to dig up my 3DS and check to see if I captured it or not
@@zetorocks811 But I think It's real. The full clue was "Have you ever thought about who the guard is in each game?", it was a couple minutes after he was talking about the 'random easter eggs.'. That's aged way too well and with hindsight makes perfect sense as to what he was trying to get at. There WAS a fake Scott in the chat that day. I believe he said something like "The Killer is behind the desk, but in which game?". But I think they were seperate
Personally I think that's what Hippo's breadcrumbs speech is. He sees the guy giving out poisonous breadcrumbs and the pigeon population is dying, he just can't bring himself to tell the guy to stop it. He sees MatPat giving out bad clues or information, he doesn't know they're bad or wrong, but they end up poisoning the community. To the point there were fairly few theorist until relatively recently.
@@MidwestGuru91 Not entirely true, there were a TON of small theorists in the community from the Late FNAF 1 to Early FNAF 4 era. It was a combination of burnout, things getting complicated, changing fandom trends about the level of evidence needed for theories, and the fact no one could agree on the basics anymore than mostly killed that during the 4 era. Matpat essentially held a monopoly on ideas from then until the Security Logbook-Help Wanted era when things slowly started spreading back out, but that only hit critical mass after Security Breach.
Personally, think the retcon was either 2 things 1. The toy girl was originally crying child sister. . She has toys of the toy animatronics but is missing one fun time foxy where else do we see a Funtime foxy toy in the sister’s room. . One of Scott’s post said “ why is the tiny toy Chica missing it beak” if we actually answer that question logically then to Chica is missing her beak because the kid broke it. This explains why we see a broken version of Funtime foxy in the sister’s room . The girl is standing on Afton family property. . The Fredbear plush outside has black eyes around the other kids except for the playground where the toy girl is at. This can imply she’s related to crying child as Fredbear plush has white eyes when Michael is around as well. . Baby in the “making of baby” has brown hair at first until it turns red. 2. The crying child and his siblings weren’t originally supposed to be afton kids . Main evidence for this is the fact that in the separate continuities like the novels and the movie William only has 1 kid Elizabeth in novels and Vanessa in The movie
These aren't straight up hard retcons, these are good details, but around this community, they are 'scottcons', where he adds on to information that used to be irrelevant/overlooked and makes it important. The retcon would be closer to like "The killer was convinced after the mci but then he stayed around in fnaf 2" or "phone guy not knowing much about fredbears family diner in fnaf 2 and then talk about how to use spring-bonnie in fnaf 3"
@@FactswithKat I disagree since when Scott was first talking about the retcon he said it wasn’t like a major thing and not many people notice I also definitely don’t think it was William being convicted since that was already decided to not be the case during Fnaf 3 because follow me And phone guy thing was likely just because Scott forgot or was a mistake
I mean, why isn’t the retcon just Charlie’s gender? The minigame in FNaF 2 says “save him” but we obviously know by the time of the first book, Charlie was a girl
7:26 "Freddy hides behind you in FNAF 1" I feel like this is coming back to that old Markiplier Clip of Freddy jumpscaring you in spite of both doors being closed. In reality, I believe it's a lot easier to explain - simply put, FNAF 1 is a bit weird. For some reason, after Freddy enters the office on the Right Side, there's a small (possibly random?) delay before the jumpscare goes through. Because of that delay, even though he's in the office, the player still is in control, and can still try to close the Right Door, in spite of you being in what would be a kill state. As a result, people questioned how Freddy does that, and made the misinterpretation that Freddy "hides behind you" or "goes through a vent" All that happened in reality is Scott made a janky jumpscare timer, rather than just instantly killing you when you lift up the cameras (outside of East Hall Corner) like the other door animatronics. If anything makes sense for the metaphor, I'd say it's more that Freddy is a sneakster, and likes to attack when you don't expect it, hiding in the shadows until the right moment, but hiding if he's ever looked at.
I mean, we already know Bonnie and Chica hide behind you, so why can't Freddy. The only difference is for some reason Freddy doesn't block you from reaching the door like Bonnie and Chica do, and Freddy can attack after a few seconds even if you're in the office while Bonnie and Chica only attack after you get distracted by the camera.
@@YoBoyNeptune why on God's gay earth would a patient in a fucking hospital need to wake up at 6:00am in the god damn morning. That literally makes zero fucking sense if you think about it for more then 2 seconds. Patients should usually be encouraged to get as much rest as possible after a fucking brain injury.
@@YoBoyNeptune just googled it and wouldn't you know turns out I'm right! Getting up at 6 in the morning is not healthy if you are suffering from a god damn brain injury.
Thank you for being only like the third person I’ve ever seen bring up the UCN teasers! Despite being in the community since the beginning, I only first saw them in Gibi’s “too long FNAF video,” and ever since then I’ve wondered why it’s never brought up when discussing dream theory. To me it’s basically 100% confirmation that traditional dream theory was never canon at any point.
I do think that the box represents either Mikes or CC's memories and were never supposed to open them since they are forgotten forever. Glad you pointed out Scott's answer to the box and I think that his answer is both an answer and a hint to what the box truly means: Lost memories = maybe inspired by Scott forgetting his own plans about the box.
I thought that the crying child made everything up in dream theory, so he wouldn't have necessarily needed to have heard or seen the other stuff in the games while he was awake. His brain fabricated it all using his fear of Fredbear's Family Diner.
Regarding the missing children being stuck in the BV’s memories, it’s important to note that in the Movie, whenever Mike interacts with the ghosts it’s in the same forest as where his brother was kidnapped.
The shatter victim theory is looking REALLY good right about now. It's helped by the fact that the pages for the Happiest Day end (that confirms Cassidy Receiver) in RttP are specifically chosen to be 83-85.
But, that's Mike's memory, right? He's deliberately reliving that day of his brother's kidnapping in that forest to find out who took his brother. Unless you're saying this is a parallel of some sort?
I never agreed to dream theory, it seemed like such a waste of narrative for scott to make taking into account the story he made in fnaf 3, I never liked that type of end to story
The spirit being split would also give motive to William. If he knew, that his kid is split between multiple animatronics, maybe that's why he was trying to reanimate them with a fully intact souls, but for likely because of the vengeful spirit and agony, that didn't really work. For wickedness, maybe the first murder of i assume chica, was just out of opportunity and he didn't yet enjoy it, but later started to gain sick pleasure from murdering, at which point that transition happened, who knows.
I might delete this comment later: This may be a little off topic, but I do remember seeing a video from around the time FNAF 4 came out (I didn’t see it till years after since I was introduced to the series later) about how the four bite of 83 bullies were actually all the protagonists of the main gameplay of each game. Granted, I don’t recall whoever made that video providing much evidence for it, but we know nowadays that they were at least partially correct. The whole thing about playing as Mike (by Mike I mean the older brother since he usually wasn’t referred to as Mike back then) in the main gameplay of FNAF 4 was also something I heard of from videos posted around that same time (probably within a month or so of the game’s release). Same thing applies with William being the father, thought that didn’t seem to be universally accepted till Sister Location) So if some people were already able to piece together and come up with a lot of the same points and theories you brought up, without Sister Location or any of the other post FNAF 4 content to argue what Scott’s intentions really were, I think you have a chance of being mostly right about your conclusion. (Apologies if I end up being wrong about some stuff, I haven’t really kept up with the newer games-)
Yeah the older brother being the player and Mike was a thing back then, just way more unpopular compared to BV being the player. Hell there were even theories we were playing as Mike before the game came out lol
8:32 Wouldn't the pills be because the Crying Child was brought home after the hospital? There's also an I.V. drip and flowers, both commonly seen by patients' bedsides. It makes more sense to me for them to be pain medication after some sort of surgery after the bite.
@@jetperson3billion439 I'm not saying CC saw the pills. I'm saying Michael saw those things by his brother's bedside and they bled into his dreams. He's the one having the nightmares because he draws Nightmare in the logbooks when prompted to draw a recent dream. Sorry, I probably should have clarified that in the first place.
@@NotUlpoadingAnything Still wouldn't technically have pills there. Like, with the idea of trying to communicate to the audience that the player character has been to a hospital, it makes sense. IV, flowers, pill bottle all things to see at a hospital. But with a narrative in mind, the pills don't make sense. Can't take pills while in a coma. Even if there was a surgery that Dave had prior to his death, that's not how they'd give him pain medication. That'd just be injected directly into the IV. Regardless, the solution is still the same, no matter how one wants to view the pills. Either they're sleeping pills Mike takes or they're pills that were in Dave's hospital room that Mike saw.
the box might even contain all the bullies masks together? Because of the Bonnie mask in the very similar box in help wanted and then Oswald’s dad having a Freddy mask in "into the pit"
Just a note on the alarm clock. Mike in the movie has an alarm clock that sounds exactly like the alarm clock in fnaf 4. Notably this is mike waking up from his dream in the movie. Now this could be a coincidence. But crazy if intentional
Honestly I agree with most of this. And I’m sure that there was a narrative that Scott had that would’ve cleared up the story well. I think the reason FNAF 4 is frustrating is because Scott wanted to find a way to make it more vague enough for the fans to see if they can accomplish that since they (almost) already got the story correct with 1-3. So maybe this is why we still dread over FNAF 4’s unknown story. On one hand: I might agree on the box since what you shown made tons of sense when it’s cleared out. But to add something in there, I think BV’s corpse is within the box and it’s buried away with the Foxy mask and other decorations to setup BV’s coffin, those being his plushies and as well; but that leads to MemoryVictim or ShatterVictim since those relics reflect the events going on in 1-3. Mike is now bound and stuck with that memory and wants to find a way to forget about it and not open it until the time is right; later, Happiest Day occurs and the box was opened and Mike has finally let go for good. But what you’ve said in this video really makes sense and I highly enjoyed watching this video.
5:41 it's not even a smoking gun because hospitals don't necessarily use digital alarm clocks. in fact, a lot use analog clocks because they're less power hungry and also display time down to the second, which is better for patient care (yes, digital clocks can also display seconds but also consider the maxim "if it aint broke, dont fix it" - hospital workers already have enough on their hands, no reason to swap out a working system for one that's more expensive) grandfather clocks end the nights of the first 3 games because they're a universally-understood sign of time passing. the digital alarm clock of fnaf 4 serves the same function, it just connects more to the gameplay being in a bedroom.
I honestly think that the tiny Toy Chica missing her beak is meant to hint that the girl with the toys is the one who possessed Toy Chica. Other than that, I hard agree with just about everything else. Great video.
Smh...Copycat... Jk jk, awesome video! I don't blame people for thinking that Dream Theory was the case way back when, or that it was somehow "retconned". When you look at the evidence in the game it's not that far fetched to believe Dream Theory actually did seem plausible back in the day. It really just comes down to misinterpreting evidence (or rather, simply interpreting evidence differently.)
Great video, even though I don’t agree with some of the points, I think you’re on the right track at least. Especially with the box, as with it being Mike’s memories, the contents of it could change as Mike was given more history, and now it would be hard to get back to because the story’s mostly moved away from Mike. Anywho, I’m not sure you’re looking at the toy chica hint the way he intended. He says why is the tiny toy chica missing her beak, not fnaf2 toy chica. I imagine you thought he meant why, in a meta sense, would the tiny toy chica be missing her beak, but I think he’s talking about it within the context of FNAF4’s plot. That’s how he frames the BV hint anyway. Otherwise, under your interpretation, the hint should be, why is toy chica in FNAF2 missing her beak, or simply tell us to take another look at the tiny toy chica and fill in the rest from there. Also in the same interview, Scott says FNAF2 Toy Chica took off her beak just because he wanted to make her more creepy, or “uncomfortable” in his words. Maybe he changed his mind but, I’m guessing we’re supposed to think about the hint in a more literal manner.
Tulips are very commonly associated with Mothers, New mothers, Birth, Easter and Mother's day in the USA. Scott is an American, has a large family and in very way is a more "traditional" person in terms of his cultural awareness; why would he choose a large vase of Mother-associated flowers AND pill bottles; what you pick up from at the pharmacy to then use inside of your home (in hospitals you are served your doses as needed outside of any packaging). Also; you can have an IV line outside of a hospital environment, especially if someone is chronically ill or terminally ill.
Usually when someone uses a flower in stories, they look at flower meanings first instead of things it could be associated with. For tulips, the first result on google is literally just: Love: Tulips are often associated with deep, perfect, and genuine love. They can be given to a partner, family member, or friend to express affection. Rebirth: Tulips bloom in the spring, so they are often associated with rebirth and renewal. Love: Makes sense for Dave's family to get him flowers to represent their love for him in hoping he wakes up and pulls through. Rebirth: Makes sense from a meta perspective in the sense that Dave goes on to possess a thing and be all spooky and ghosty, needing Happiest Day to move on or be at peace. I think it's more likely Scott chose a large vase of flowers that had two fairly good meanings for what he was going for.
@@shaelynmartin1996 I understand where you are coming from, but I'd like to draw attention back to your method. You are using an internet search engine to generate broad / non-regional specific definitions. What I was trying to draw attention to is that the Writer of this narrative lives in the United States of America, has a large traditional family and is immersed in that sort of traditionalist, American culture. He's had several children and so has had to attend births for his own and likely others (it is common practice to invite your close family to wait outside, or visit shortly after; it is very common to want your new child to 'met' their new aunts, uncles, cousins and grandparents as well as godparents and the child's parents best friends.) And in that regional setting the default is to send tulips. And during Mother's Day it's traditional to send Tulips, instead of Lilies. On Easter is is a 50/50 to go with Tulips or Lilies, though if you are Christen then you would choose Lilies for Easter over Tulips. In most cases, authors will pull from their immediate life experience and look up the technical definitions second. So if Scott was unmarried, I would go with your internet search engine results over the specific region traditions of where he grew up, but because he would have participated in these traditions then I am inclined to look towards those over broader international definitions of what things are broadly understood to mean outside of one localized area.
@@porcelainchips6061 Sure, but look at everything else the game tells us. Which is that Dave died in the hospital and never woke up from his coma. The hospital is not sending a coma patient home when he's dying. It just seems odd that just because in a specific way, you can look at the flower type as instead being something around Mother's Day. And, again, that's assuming Scott even bothers with flowers like that. Just because he's a traditional Christian family man, doesn't mean he knows all this deep lore about flowers. Tulips are also readily available in hospitals BECAUSE they symbolize love and rebirth.
@@shaelynmartin1996 Pill bottles are issued by pharmacies to hold your perscribed medication. Pill bottles are not used in a hospital setting; you are handed your specific dose at your dose time by a nurse. The nurse then confirms/documents you have taken your dose. A coma patient cannot swallow pills and would instead either receive all medication through an IV line or by injection (or a feeding tube, or... The other way.). We hear a Flatline as everything fades away from around the crying child; IVs can be at home, hospital beds can be at home, but the pill bottles make no sense. A vitals monitor makes no sense in a home environment. In Security Breach the FNAF4 quilt is shown on a child's hospital bed. Dave probably did die in a hospital, because he probably never woke up. However that does not mean the hidden objects in the gameplay sections are connected to him. I do not believe the objects are connected to Dave BECAUSE of the pill bottles AND the tulips. Both items suggest the sick person is awake; they can see the flowers, they can sit up and take the pills without chocking on them. Going back to the flowers specifically; it is not typical for people to research flowers that are present in their regional culture / used for their regional rituals. I know about the mother-association because you are told; "Honey, make sure to by tulips because it is mother's day" or "Get tulips, not the white roses." You learn through reputation and practice; you're told what to do, you see it around you and you embody it going forward. It is also, in American culture, important to not to give certain arrangements because the wrong combination is bad luck; White roses and White Lilies are for loss --- it's a bad omen to give them to a new mother. Vice Versa it is seen as "cruel" or in poor taste to give flowers with color to someone who has passed / to a family experiencing loss. At it's core the reason why I harp on the tulips, or the specifics of any of these three objects, is because Scott had to MAKE the models and then color them in and arrange them; he decided to include flowers and then had to choose either one type or multiple flower types to model; he would have to pull up reference images and decide on the colors, scale, number, so on; Scott specifically said FNAF4 contains no random elements; we are suppose to take FNAF4 and solve itself and the three previous games using it assuming that was the final game. He said, at the game's launch, there were zero plans to carry on the story from there. He only decided to keep going later; so all three objects are suppose to not require more games in the series to make sense of, AND (as I said before) he made every asset had to make each creative choice along the way knowing he only wanted the game to represent intentional information and no red herrings.
Afton Terrorised Dave/CC with something he saw that he shouldn't have. This could be the reasoning for "I am your wickedness made flesh." Nightmare is saying he's the embodiment of the decision to torture his son, Afton's original wicked act. When trying to be friendly as an imaginary friend, William Afton tells Dave/CC: "Don't you remember what you saw? You have to get help." Which is followed by a misconstrued chase sequence involving a man in a Fredbear suit that leads to Dave/CC crying in the fetal position. The ONLY thing I can think of at the time that Dave/CC could've seen would be the backroom that Afton works in, I mean he gets locked in a separate parts and service room on night 4, with a corpse concealed in the Spring Bonnie suit that was seen in an Easter egg of that room in a earlier night's mini game. The Spring lock Suits are what he's afraid of and what he saw. Meaning he either saw his father do something with one he shouldn't have OR saw an employee have a fatal accident in one. The nightmare mascots are even themed in appearance around the battered old spring lock Suits.
How could Mike forget his brother though? Combining the Logbook with SL's canon ending would indicate that Mike was returned to life by being possessed by the remnant he was injected with during SL and that this remnant would be a mix of Dave/CC and Cassidy as they talk through the book itself AS MIKE IS WRITING IN IT. Mike's writing and Doodles are also key to figuring out BOTH of their names as Hyperdroid points out in his theory. This as an idea has some implications that I'm not certainly not exactly thrilled with but work narratively WITHOUT changing anymore than the viewer's perspective on existing evidence. UCN will certainly be different under this perspective.
i'm still of the belief that the movie exists in a separate parallel canon, but the callbacks like the pill bottles are definitely interesting in retrospect
12:02 or it could be manifestation of his guilt for the bite of ‘83 and how he played such a pivotal role in his little brother’s death. I like that idea better tbh
I totally agree, I honestly really don't like when people act like Dream Theory was canon, sure it didn't seem like a bad idea at the moment with the limited evidence we had, but even then I don't think Scott was ever trying to point to that direction
I don't know if this would work with the timeline, but could nightmare represent the fun times or enard since that's what kills Mike and would make scene with why he has the stomachache mouth since that's a detail wich always confused me.
This might be a nothing burger nitpick but why would a coma patient have pills next to him? Coma patients can't swallow pills, so if they're not for the comatose, who are they for?
Actually, I think the reason Mike relives crying child's nightmare experiments is because of crying child's agony in the fredbear plush. I think some time after Sister Location Mike went back to the underground facility and found the fredbear plush in the security office, which contained crying child's agony from the nightmare experiments.
Personally I think the comment about Chica missing her beak was supposed to connect the girl with the toys of the Toy Animatronics to the sister's room in FNAF 4 where the final one was(that being Mangle) in order to show that she was the sister(though when I was like 7 I immediately came to the conclusion that the room was empty because she died and that was going to be a future mystery... Crazy how I successfully predicted a big future plot point by getting something wrong in FNAF 4. Also, while I'm not quite sure of what the answer was meant to be back then, I think the current answer is supposed to be Mike's Foxy mask.
Nah Scott still did retcon the entire story in fnaf 4 cuz originally there was no crying child in 1-3 but we had happiest day still which was obviously just releasing the missing children but he wanted to continue the story so he made happiest day about crying child instead and then when he did that he had to re address the missing children through the fun times and molten Freddy.
As weird as the phone guy being in the audio files I don’t think it’s enough for me to separate the crying child from the gameplay, the teeth in the stomach like being eaten or the plushies that he has coming to life. Layouts aside there’s the hospital iv flowers and medicine so I just can’t see it
All of this works with Mike though. The teeth in the stomach because he saw his brother get bit by Fredbear, the plushies aren’t even CC’s since Foxy isn’t missing his head, but if they are it still works with Mike anyway as CC considered them his friends, so Mike feeling guilty and having nightmares about CC’s friends coming after him makes sense. Or it could just be because they were something CC was close to and that’s why they make their way into his nightmares. The IV, flowers, and pills make more sense with Mike since CC wouldn’t be able to see those things in the hospital anyway. As we know from the night 6 minigame he seems to be in some sort of void.
Just one small problem, how would he see the IV Pills and Flowers by his BED..... from within his coma?!? It would have to be a visitor. And WHO do we hear talking to him in the final cutscene in grey text in what is seemingly a hospital room based on the flatline?
I don't believe the bite victim was fully put back together/freed i believe he stayed attached to something (maybe the mimic) and entered glamrock freddy eventually
A biiiig stretch theory i like to think about sometimes that doesn’t really make sense is the nightmares are coppelia’s It says she had nightmares for a week and it also explains the distorted phone audio (and the grandfather clock) But everything else like the nightmare Fredbear in the logbook doesn’t make sense here Good theory btw, W
There was a monster based on all the dream theory hints in general. I was going to talk about it but honestly it could go either way and I didn’t really have anything to say
Wow. I never actually looked at it this way. It makes way more sense than dream theory. I mean, even back then I found absurd that a child was capable of creating an entire story made of murders that’s completely fictional.
I don't think you can use "UCN's fake teaser poked fun of dream theory" as evidence it was never Scott's intention for dream theory to be true. If he HAD changed his mind (I don't think he did. I just think he did the worst possible job telling us the story), of course he would later make fun of it. "Spider-Man Into the Spiderverse." Made fun of the clone saga (comics) and Spider-Man 3 (movie), but that doesn't mean the writers of those two pieces of art didn’t want people to take it seriously. Edited to say, I will give the rest of the video a fair listen, that specific piece was poor evidence is all I meant
The point isn't purely that it was joked about, it was joked about alongside false theories. It would be kinda weird to joke about a false theory, a false theory, and a correct theory.
@17raysplays29 it would have been a theory that WAS correct UNTIL Scott retconned it. I'm telling you, if he HAD made Dream Theory non canon, he could save face by laughing along and being like "y-Yeah, that's so dumb. Haha." But I do get what you're saying. In the end it also comes down to "how much do we think Scott changes his mind to appease fans?" To which my answer is "a lot." Otherwise we wouldn't have 3 endings to the original series
I'm always glad to see someone else agree that crying child's memories affect reality after his death! Scott made sure to clarify that the toy chica missing her beak is important and the only real answers that i've seen as to why that is are that his memories affect reality or that the little girl with that toy chica toy is susie (if the toys are possesed by the mci after the classics were used for parts) or she's the girl who posesses toy chica (if the toys are possesed by their own set of children and not the mci) However i heavily disagree with william being the final speaker Whoever it is helps set up the fnaf 3 minigames which then leads to the mci being freed, there's no way that william would do that They're either charlie or cassidy "But they died after crying child did!" Yeah and rttp basically confirmed that altering memories and pseudo time travel are both canon There's also the posibility of the final speaker being elizabeth which ties her to pigtails girl and it's a really cool theory The speaker appears in fnaf world as yellow eyes...do you remember what baby also appeared as in her fnaf world ending? There's also an early teaser for sister location were baby has yellow eyes Yellow like the text color of both pigtails girl and the final speaker There's the fact that pigtails girl looks so similar to baby And if moltenmci and shattervictim are both true then baby's ennard plan literally puts him back together And why did elizabeth use a phrase such as put back together? Well, do you remember that broken toy foxy toy? A mangle toy, basically In fnaf 2 phone guy states that they left mangle as a "take apart, put back together" animatronic If either william or michael called it that too...then elizabeth, upon hearing her brother was "broken", would remember that phrase and promise to put him back together And then when the others in ennard kick her out she again says she can put herself back together
To be honest you didn’t really solve the original story because you’re using media that came after the “re-contextualisation of fnaf 4” as said by Scott. The fnaf 1 phone call doesn’t really prove anything because in the mini games the toy animatronics are present but it’s 1983. This was probably to connect the bite victim’s memories to the happiest day, either that or the fnaf 2 location is actually way older in the timeline than we thought. Before nightmare experiment concepts were even a thing it was most defiantly a dream. The dreamer? The crying child. Fleshed out animatronic versions of his bullies terrorise him, the nightmares pick you up just like what we see in the bite of 83. Why is nightmare bb canon? Well it’s because of the humanised balloon kid taking on an animatronic form in his dreams. Nightmare’s jumpscare sounds like an ambulance sound because he’s literally the embodiment of death, why would his brother even be facing nightmare? Obviously I don’t believe this now since it could very much have been re-contextualised. Why must I point out that bite victim is haunted by terrible memories? Well, it’s because it ties back to ShatterVictim and the happiest day mini games. One thing to note is that in order to further understand the original idea of FNaF 4 we must look towards FNaF world and the box. What’s in the box? The pieces put together. Seems vague but what pieces? By collecting all the clocks the ever so elusive yellow eyes tells us “the pieces are in place for you” just like that we were given the answer, the happiest day mini game. The visual similarities between the puppet and the bite victim is symbolic. The pieces in place are all the MCI in a reflected version of the failed birthday day, the final piece to put everything back together is the crying child’s reflection, the puppet. That’s why he’s sobbing in the same position as BV in mangle’s quest. To settle the Mike question. No, foxybro does not have a significant part of the story yet, just like his toy collecting sister. It was only when Sister location came out that these two were given a fleshed out story.
But the pilles dont make sence in this univerce, Mike took pilles to dream and find ount what happend to his brother, why would Mike take pilles in this world, he cant sleep or something The camera showing the house chair, doesnt have the X tape or waht ever, so the animatronics werent real, it was all a halutination or MIke or Cry child was dreaming it all The mini game with Cry child i think is the dream of Mike, reason why the Fox toy doesnt have a head witch to me implies that its in side Mikes head, dreaming
I don't think dream theory was ever the case but I also disagree with you, I'm still a "The FNaF 4 family was originally Henry's and the sister was split into Charlie and Elizabeth" truther
Love how all the 2nd interview with Scott they kept claiming that Scott would say what's in the box, and he completely ignores the question and answers nothing. He just spouts nonsense
He says he forgot. Scott said the box was a loose end he decided not to pursue in later games because doing so would feel forced and he didn't have a good conclusion for it that'd make people happy. Scott basically said "I put loose ends in my games to pick up on later" which would explain why nobody understands Midnight Motorist
I don’t think he forgot I just think it’s an abandoned plot point and to actually explain what’s in the box would require him to explain his original intent with the story which he probably doesn’t want to do for multiple reasons
@@zetorocks811 this ^ why is this so tough to understand? Look at how this community behaves just between the OG games, current books, OG graphic novels/trilogy, movies, interactive books, and steel wool games. We all agree on so much and are so nice to each other, why oh why would scott not want to throw anything else into the ring especially when: he has explained it all fine (people just dont like his answers), this is his multimedia franchise worth millions upon millions, and he has spoken out before about not liking the division and flame wars online that happen when people disagree on interpretations and/or canon-ness...
you know since the arc or whatever is over he couldve just put out like a cut content or whatever and finally tell us what was originally in the box so we can figure out what was planned or he couldve have just been making the story by the seat of his pants and whatever fell into place he just went with it
According to his description in the interview he had the concept in mind and knew that he had an answer somewhere in his head, but it was still a subconscious thought and he was hoping that it would come to him when he reached the correct point to implement it like what happened with previous games. The story went a completely different direction and he never actually got to draw that idea out.
What do you think? Was Dream Theory canon? Let me know! Also, check out this video about Midnight Motorist! - ruclips.net/video/djPrA0m1nds/видео.html
No offence, but I also never believed in this weird FNAF 4 Dream Theory😅
I can't see a theroy like this ever being disproved for me with post factual evidance. Literally all I have to do mentaly to ignore the evidance of FNAF world and UCN is go "he changed his mind" like he pretty clearly aluded to doing.
Perhaps I don't understand what you mean by it needing two retcons, because if fnaf 1-4 were as dream all along then the only retcon would be post fnaf 4 saying "nah it wasn't" If your standpoint is that 1-3 weren't dreams, 4 retconed them into dreams and fnafworld retconed them out, then I can easily see that being mentaly classified from scott as net 0 retcons, like he clearly does with saying clarrifying details aren't retcons.
“Grief” would make much more sense as to a reason why there’s sleeping pills vs Mike takes sleeping pills to punish himself with nightmares. That’s a ridiculous leap in logic
And it matches up with Movie Mike ALSO taking sleeping pills due to his trauma, to try and connect with his brother.
The reason why it isn’t logical is because in the games Mike is supposed to be British. Hope this helps.
@@Zacvhbut he’s not fanum taxing like William so…
He does this exact thing in the movie so it’s not ridiculous to say it might be the same in the game.
I mostly agree with this, but I also want to note just how deep the prior game parallels go, and it's not just the first game. The Nightmare Animatronics all have a feature or a missing element that matches perfectly with the Withered Animatronics. Nightmare Bonnie is missing the same foot, Nightmare Chica is missing the same knees and has the same massive hinged beak jaw, Nightmare Freddy has the same distinct ear and face shape, and Nightmare Foxy is missing the fur on the same ear. They also all have bulkier designs closer to the Withereds, with similar wear and tear. Look at Bonnie's jaw shape or Foxy's larger head for example. You also stop them using...a flashlight. You have two entrances on both sides, and a single giant entrance dead in the middle(where you can halt Foxy with a flashlight). In many ways every mechanic is a hybrid of the two games. You have doors, but the timing needs to be done properly or bad things happen to stop you from camping like the mask. The attack pattern matches FNAF 1 perfectly, but the designs are closer to 2. Foxy needs to monitored in his own 'cove' and he has stages of progression like in FNAF 1, but he comes from a big door in the middle and needs to be halted with a flashlight, just like in FNAF 2. Freddy needs to be kept an eye on least he get out of control, just like in FNAF 1. However, he's in a fixed location guarded by a single Freddy plush on top, a fixed location that needs to be checked on and reset constantly, because if it runs out he WILL get you doors or no doors...just like the Puppets Box in FNAF 2, A golden Freddy of Freddy shows up near the end, just like in 2. Whoever we play as in 4 has seen the Withereds AND the Classics, and has been at both the FNAF 1 and 2 locations as a guard. They've clearly seen the Puppet as Nightmare Freddy is based on it's behavior, and they've seen Balloon Boy as Nightmare BB is in the canon version of the Halloween Update.
There's also Fun with Plushtrap. This suggests our protagonist has also had to stall Springbonnie from reaching them by freezing it in place. So for starters they've also worked at the FNAF 3 location as a guard. But, haulting an animatronic by hitting them with a flashlight? That's a FNAF 2 thing. Also also, look at the layout of Fun with Plushtrap. It's a big open corridor, two doors on each side with animatronic(s) popping in and out to approach you. You can see animatronics approaching down this hallway and must stop them with a flashlight. There's a single small light source above the door( a window in 4). THIS is literally the FNAF 2 office corridor. 4 doors, two on each side, a big central corridor animatronics walk down and must be halted with a flashlight, and a red glowing alarm light in the center middle. So alongside more 2 confirmation our protag has also worked at 3(further confirmed by the fact 3's unnamed Guard has hallucinations of the Classics, Withereds, AND Toys, suggesting he's seen all 3 generations and worked at the prior two locations).
The IV, Pills, and Flowers are meant to be something that 'seems' like an obvious hint to us being BV/CC...until you think about it and realize he never woke up to see them. The only person who could have witnessed them is....a visitor. Like maybe the person we hear talking to him in his final moments....Foxy Bro... Oh and the Bedrooms in the minigames don't match.
You can also prove he's Purple Guy's kid back then. Isn't it kind of weird how Fredbear Plush has a Purple Hat, and Purple Bow Tie, when all prior Golden Freddy's were black clothed? Nah that might be a coiencidence. How about this. There is no Fredbear Plush dialogue or even "Tomorrow is Another Day" in the Night 4 minigame(the one where you're locked in the storage room). Why would a ghost or spirit(most people at the time thought this was Golden Freddy or maaaaybe The Puppet) not be able to get in the room, why not end on the same note as all the others. There's also notably no Fredbear plushes in the building or on the road, just on the path to your house. Hmm. If only I had some clincher piece of evidence to prove my point.
Oh yeah. There's exactly one time in the whole game you can HEAR Fredbear Plush without seeing him. The other times you can't see him he very explictly does not talk(him not talking in the Night 4 minigame and not saying the tomorrow line really sticks out), just this one time. Where? Oh you know...right outside the red door, in the scene where if you walk backwards when you aren't supposed to you catch William on the other side. A lot of people asked what the point of that scene was at the time as it didn't seem to tell us anything, that's what I see. The plush has purple kit no prior GF had, it can't usually speak if the plush isn't there suggesting it's not supernatural(if it was a ghost from the suit in the backroom, why can't it speak then?) and the ONLY scene where it does speak while off-screen is the scene an easter egg reveals Purple Guy is literally behind the curtain. Once you know these plushes are cameras and speakers, you know Purple Guy has access to this house, heavy access, and bugged the entire pathway there. You also know he's the one speaking at the final minigame when Crying Child is dying in the hospital, right after Foxy Bro speaks. Those two things combined basically confirm he's family. And if you know that, you can make some assumptions about the motives of the guards in the prior game, why they never leave, finally letting the community get why that's where they wanna be and why they wanna stay. We could have figured out Foxybro was the player character, that he was Mike Schmidt, Fritz Smith, and 3 Guard, and that this was Purple Guy's family, AND that Mike is going after his dad later, all with 4 alone.
And with the Silver Eyes you could literally get the full name, that tells us Purple Guy is named William Afton. If you were one of the people who was willing to borrow elements like that for the games(and also many many people at the time thought Mike Schmidt and Fritz Smith sounded like fake names for many reasons and used that for many theories) you'd say if our dad is Purple Guy and Purple Guy is named William Afton we must be Mike(Micheal) Afton or perhaps Fritz Afton(though the books confirm he's British so probably the former).
kalkuttadrop, is that you? Lmao joking aside, you beat me to posting about this (particularly how the Nightmares heavily resemble their Withered selves).
I've never heard anyone mention how strange it was that we never heard Psychic Friend Fredbear during scenes where Crying Child was locked in Parts and Service and where he died on his tragic birthday. That's really cool and just strengthens not only WillPlush but AftonMM and MikeRunaway for me even more.
Kudos. If I may ask, what do you think of MM?
I think there's a lot in favor of all of this! To add though, Funtime Foxy has the exact same snout type as Nightmare Foxy in 4. While this probably means nothing since both are made by Afton come SL, Funtime Foxy is canonically the only jump scare Mike ever actually experienced. Which matches Nightmare Foxy in FNaF 4 jumpscaring you with the same Endo snout.
Also, I know my opinion is a lil controversial, but I'm team AftonMM, BVRunaway, MimicFootprint
Another thing tying Fnaf 4 to the previous games is the Michael/Foxy parallel. In Fnaf 2 Withered Foxy jumpscares you by jumping out from behind a camera monitor. In Fnaf 4, Michael scares the Crying Child by jumping out from behind the TV while wearing his Foxy mask.
Screwing this whole thing up also massively threw off peoples ability to solve Sister Location. Had all this been solved the "We play as William Afton" thing would never have taken off. The problem was even if people recognized the "Mike" sticker in the first night or got the "Sister" double meaning or took notice of Baby not recognizing us, nobody could fully put the pieces together because all those clues seemingly pointed to different directions. Mike suggested Mike Schmidt, but he had no characterization as far as people thought(and also that being our name was just...broadly missed. The community settled on calling the protag 'Eggs Benedict' because most people either didn't see it or thought it was HandUnits name or didn't think it was proof it was our name because they missed HandUnits line about it being 'our name as seen above the keypad', and once that was popular people refused to change their minds and nitpicked the wording or just said everyone already used EB). not to mention Mike Schmidt was still thought by many to be William. The Sister thing was noticed, but many people viewed it as "The Sister Character from 4" and not "Literally the protags Sister". Sure Baby didn't recognize us, but she thinks we're William in the ending so clearly that was misdirection right? I mean, all this other evidence suggests we have to be someone closely involved with Mr. Afton, and he has no known family or close friends in game with Henry not canon yet......because we had completely missed finding a family member in the prior game.
@@kalkuttadrop6371 You know what I find funny about the Mike sticker is that Markiplier was one of the very first people to connect it to Mike Schmidt. Yet *no one else did!* ☠️
Hand Unit saying "reflect on past mistakes" combined with the sticker that says Mike is just sending me now since it seemed like nobody knew were playing as Foxy Bro until Scott just comes out and literally says it in the custom night dlc
Not to mention the game being called *sister* location
But actually, I think it’s probably because of the purple eyes at the end of the game, most of the community did not know Mike was an important character outside of FNaF 1 and Elizabeth thinking Mike is William
I think when interpreting Scott's quotes from the GTLive stream, its important to remember the context those quotes were given in; steering a discussion. It feels a bit foolhardy to take them as gospel, especially when Scott's comments in Dawko's interview about how he thought when he steered discussion that it sent people down the wrong path is likely to be about that stream. There are definitely answers to these questions, but I doubt they're as consequential as people make them out to be.
I like to compare to FNAF 2 because Scott also made that game intentionally confusing.
All the pre-release material told us this was a sequel, the first couple phone calls have hints of it being a sequel(mentioning an old pizza place, a prior guard who finished his week, the Withereds, the mention of the modern building design with no doors or power issues), but it was actually a prequel and the bulk of the hard evidence proves it.
FNAF 2's phone calls mention an incident, that many at the time initially thought was the MCI. But nope, this is actually a seperate mass murder, the MCI already happened. FNAF 2's calls mention an old location called Fredbear's Family Diner, which many people thought WAS the first pizzeria, but no that's seperate from the OG Freddys. It also had something people thought meant one thing, but ended up meaning something else int he sequel('yellow suit'). People solved that game by and large within about a month and mostly spent the rest of the time on niche subtheories or debating the identity of a character not meant to have a secret identity. FNAF 3 toned down the misdirection and was largely cracked in a week. I think Scott wanted it to take a while to solve again and with the community so much more developed wanted to challenge everyone.
I think part of the problem here was that in FNAF 2 the lore was a lot shallower. FNAF 1 didn't have a ton going on in itself, there were no minigames, so it was just "Where do the murders happen?" and "When do the actual in-game events of FNAF 1 happen relative to FNAF 2?", there wasn't a ton of pieces you needed to factor in from 1. So even if there were radical disagreements or big changes it was pretty easy to shift everything around as the total amount of 'events' was lower. By FNAF 4 we had the entire 1-3 timeline so things were more sluggish. I also think Scott layed on the 87s a bit too heavy, specifically in the source code, the 87 believers never 'gave in' the way the FNAF 2 sequel believers did mostly because of that. The biggest issue might have actually been by that point the community was getting too centralized around Matpat. FNAF 2 and 3 had a ton of smaller creators active(Smike, 8Bit Gaming, Grumpy Bear, Razzbowski, Blackfootferret, Dawko at the time, IronMango, that guy who did 10 facts and theories, Andiematronic), but many of them retired or got burned out around that time and Matpat had gained a solid reputation as the 'lore herald' after his FNAF 3 2-Parter. With all the extra lore many of these guys fell behind or just couldn't make theories that could account for all the moving parts anymore, leaving just 2 or 3 big creators to steer the ship, and if they got things wrong initially it would be borderline impossible to right things. And that's exactly what happened. Matpat rushed out an 87 theory that he recanted, and even when that was solved nobody seemed to be able to agree on basic concepts. People got stuck in their initial mindsets. Psychic Frriend Fredbear HAD to be a ghost right, nothing else is lore interesting? We're OBVIOUSLY playing as Crying Child, who HAS to haunt someone AND it can't overlap with anyone else. You couldn't get people to assume they had been reading the whole game wrong even though a couple people on Reddit at various points were on the right track, they got shot down.
I also think the stream is kind of a greek tragedy in how it played out. Scott's Clues got robbed of the context in the stream in which he gave them, his 4th clue he dropped in the chat got lost to time for a while, and Matpat went down the backwards train of thought which in turn took half the community down that wrong path, and sent the other half on the defense making them inflexable too. Any evidence that was supposed to lead you to the right conclusion was either taken as Dream Theory evidence or written off as an easteregg. All because Matpat in a moment of brief thinking concluded "FNAF 2 elements in FNAF 4 means 2 is from the Crying Child's POV and thus a dream" and not "FNAF 2 elements in FNAF 4 means we're playing as someone who was at 2 and thus isn't the Crying Child"
I need to know, was the “fourth hint” actually Scott? Wasn’t it a fake Scott account? From the clip I’ve seen Mat was reacting to someone in the chat saying “Scott asked about the guards” or smth like that. If it was a Scott clue why didn’t he post it on the website
@@zetorocks811 RUclips did not record chat at the time so it's literally impossible to confirm or not.
I remember it was him, but I haven't been arsed to dig up my 3DS and check to see if I captured it or not
@@zetorocks811 But I think It's real. The full clue was "Have you ever thought about who the guard is in each game?", it was a couple minutes after he was talking about the 'random easter eggs.'. That's aged way too well and with hindsight makes perfect sense as to what he was trying to get at.
There WAS a fake Scott in the chat that day. I believe he said something like "The Killer is behind the desk, but in which game?". But I think they were seperate
Personally I think that's what Hippo's breadcrumbs speech is. He sees the guy giving out poisonous breadcrumbs and the pigeon population is dying, he just can't bring himself to tell the guy to stop it.
He sees MatPat giving out bad clues or information, he doesn't know they're bad or wrong, but they end up poisoning the community. To the point there were fairly few theorist until relatively recently.
@@MidwestGuru91 Not entirely true, there were a TON of small theorists in the community from the Late FNAF 1 to Early FNAF 4 era. It was a combination of burnout, things getting complicated, changing fandom trends about the level of evidence needed for theories, and the fact no one could agree on the basics anymore than mostly killed that during the 4 era. Matpat essentially held a monopoly on ideas from then until the Security Logbook-Help Wanted era when things slowly started spreading back out, but that only hit critical mass after Security Breach.
Personally, think the retcon was either 2 things
1. The toy girl was originally crying child sister.
. She has toys of the toy animatronics but is missing one fun time foxy where else do we see a Funtime foxy toy in the sister’s room.
. One of Scott’s post said “ why is the tiny toy Chica missing it beak” if we actually answer that question logically then to Chica is missing her beak because the kid broke it. This explains why we see a broken version of Funtime foxy in the sister’s room
. The girl is standing on Afton family property.
. The Fredbear plush outside has black eyes around the other kids except for the playground where the toy girl is at. This can imply she’s related to crying child as Fredbear plush has white eyes when Michael is around as well.
. Baby in the “making of baby” has brown hair at first until it turns red.
2. The crying child and his siblings weren’t originally supposed to be afton kids
. Main evidence for this is the fact that in the separate continuities like the novels and the movie William only has 1 kid Elizabeth in novels and Vanessa in The movie
These aren't straight up hard retcons, these are good details, but around this community, they are 'scottcons', where he adds on to information that used to be irrelevant/overlooked and makes it important.
The retcon would be closer to like "The killer was convinced after the mci but then he stayed around in fnaf 2" or "phone guy not knowing much about fredbears family diner in fnaf 2 and then talk about how to use spring-bonnie in fnaf 3"
@@FactswithKat I disagree since when Scott was first talking about the retcon he said it wasn’t like a major thing and not many people notice
I also definitely don’t think it was William being convicted since that was already decided to not be the case during Fnaf 3 because follow me
And phone guy thing was likely just because Scott forgot or was a mistake
@@Browhatisyoudoing That's... what a retcon is
I mean, why isn’t the retcon just Charlie’s gender? The minigame in FNaF 2 says “save him” but we obviously know by the time of the first book, Charlie was a girl
@palokyu9891 the retcon was before FNaF 6
7:26 "Freddy hides behind you in FNAF 1"
I feel like this is coming back to that old Markiplier Clip of Freddy jumpscaring you in spite of both doors being closed.
In reality, I believe it's a lot easier to explain - simply put, FNAF 1 is a bit weird.
For some reason, after Freddy enters the office on the Right Side, there's a small (possibly random?) delay before the jumpscare goes through.
Because of that delay, even though he's in the office, the player still is in control, and can still try to close the Right Door, in spite of you being in what would be a kill state.
As a result, people questioned how Freddy does that, and made the misinterpretation that Freddy "hides behind you" or "goes through a vent"
All that happened in reality is Scott made a janky jumpscare timer, rather than just instantly killing you when you lift up the cameras (outside of East Hall Corner) like the other door animatronics.
If anything makes sense for the metaphor, I'd say it's more that Freddy is a sneakster, and likes to attack when you don't expect it, hiding in the shadows until the right moment, but hiding if he's ever looked at.
I mean, we already know Bonnie and Chica hide behind you, so why can't Freddy.
The only difference is for some reason Freddy doesn't block you from reaching the door like Bonnie and Chica do, and Freddy can attack after a few seconds even if you're in the office while Bonnie and Chica only attack after you get distracted by the camera.
Mat’s smoking gun the digital alarm clock isn’t even true. Most hospitals don’t have digital alarm clocks in patient’s rooms.
I think they used to? And again it’s not like the house has them..the house had a big ol’ clock 😅
That's a pretty big generalization for all 6,000 hospitals in the US
Well that’s because it’s usually true. I never said it’s true for all hospitals dip shit, I said MOST hospitals
@@YoBoyNeptune why on God's gay earth would a patient in a fucking hospital need to wake up at 6:00am in the god damn morning. That literally makes zero fucking sense if you think about it for more then 2 seconds. Patients should usually be encouraged to get as much rest as possible after a fucking brain injury.
@@YoBoyNeptune just googled it and wouldn't you know turns out I'm right! Getting up at 6 in the morning is not healthy if you are suffering from a god damn brain injury.
Thank you for being only like the third person I’ve ever seen bring up the UCN teasers!
Despite being in the community since the beginning, I only first saw them in Gibi’s “too long FNAF video,” and ever since then I’ve wondered why it’s never brought up when discussing dream theory. To me it’s basically 100% confirmation that traditional dream theory was never canon at any point.
Probably because they were replaced with real character descriptions I only know about them because I was there when they were posted
I do think that the box represents either Mikes or CC's memories and were never supposed to open them since they are forgotten forever.
Glad you pointed out Scott's answer to the box and I think that his answer is both an answer and a hint to what the box truly means:
Lost memories = maybe inspired by Scott forgetting his own plans about the box.
I thought that the crying child made everything up in dream theory, so he wouldn't have necessarily needed to have heard or seen the other stuff in the games while he was awake. His brain fabricated it all using his fear of Fredbear's Family Diner.
I saw dream theory isn’t canon in the chapters, the vid is already a W
Regarding the missing children being stuck in the BV’s memories, it’s important to note that in the Movie, whenever Mike interacts with the ghosts it’s in the same forest as where his brother was kidnapped.
The shatter victim theory is looking REALLY good right about now.
It's helped by the fact that the pages for the Happiest Day end (that confirms Cassidy Receiver) in RttP are specifically chosen to be 83-85.
But, that's Mike's memory, right? He's deliberately reliving that day of his brother's kidnapping in that forest to find out who took his brother.
Unless you're saying this is a parallel of some sort?
I never agreed to dream theory, it seemed like such a waste of narrative for scott to make taking into account the story he made in fnaf 3, I never liked that type of end to story
I’m so glad you mentioned what Henry said in FNAF 6. It’s an underrated line that subtly speaks on Crying Child and his agony.
Yeah I’m surprised I’ve never seen anyone mention it before
The spirit being split would also give motive to William. If he knew, that his kid is split between multiple animatronics, maybe that's why he was trying to reanimate them with a fully intact souls, but for likely because of the vengeful spirit and agony, that didn't really work.
For wickedness, maybe the first murder of i assume chica, was just out of opportunity and he didn't yet enjoy it, but later started to gain sick pleasure from murdering, at which point that transition happened, who knows.
I love how “Not convinced” is your “Need more proof” slogan. It is legit so fitting
I might delete this comment later:
This may be a little off topic, but I do remember seeing a video from around the time FNAF 4 came out (I didn’t see it till years after since I was introduced to the series later) about how the four bite of 83 bullies were actually all the protagonists of the main gameplay of each game. Granted, I don’t recall whoever made that video providing much evidence for it, but we know nowadays that they were at least partially correct. The whole thing about playing as Mike (by Mike I mean the older brother since he usually wasn’t referred to as Mike back then) in the main gameplay of FNAF 4 was also something I heard of from videos posted around that same time (probably within a month or so of the game’s release). Same thing applies with William being the father, thought that didn’t seem to be universally accepted till Sister Location) So if some people were already able to piece together and come up with a lot of the same points and theories you brought up, without Sister Location or any of the other post FNAF 4 content to argue what Scott’s intentions really were, I think you have a chance of being mostly right about your conclusion.
(Apologies if I end up being wrong about some stuff, I haven’t really kept up with the newer games-)
Yeah the older brother being the player and Mike was a thing back then, just way more unpopular compared to BV being the player. Hell there were even theories we were playing as Mike before the game came out lol
8:32 Wouldn't the pills be because the Crying Child was brought home after the hospital? There's also an I.V. drip and flowers, both commonly seen by patients' bedsides. It makes more sense to me for them to be pain medication after some sort of surgery after the bite.
he wouldn’t have seen the pills because he died during his coma as we hear a flatline at the end of night 6’s minigame
@@jetperson3billion439 I'm not saying CC saw the pills. I'm saying Michael saw those things by his brother's bedside and they bled into his dreams. He's the one having the nightmares because he draws Nightmare in the logbooks when prompted to draw a recent dream. Sorry, I probably should have clarified that in the first place.
@@NotUlpoadingAnything Still wouldn't technically have pills there. Like, with the idea of trying to communicate to the audience that the player character has been to a hospital, it makes sense. IV, flowers, pill bottle all things to see at a hospital. But with a narrative in mind, the pills don't make sense. Can't take pills while in a coma. Even if there was a surgery that Dave had prior to his death, that's not how they'd give him pain medication. That'd just be injected directly into the IV.
Regardless, the solution is still the same, no matter how one wants to view the pills. Either they're sleeping pills Mike takes or they're pills that were in Dave's hospital room that Mike saw.
Maybe the box was supposed to contain mikes foxy mask
the box might even contain all the bullies masks together? Because of the Bonnie mask in the very similar box in help wanted and then Oswald’s dad having a Freddy mask in "into the pit"
Just a note on the alarm clock. Mike in the movie has an alarm clock that sounds exactly like the alarm clock in fnaf 4. Notably this is mike waking up from his dream in the movie.
Now this could be a coincidence. But crazy if intentional
Honestly I agree with most of this. And I’m sure that there was a narrative that Scott had that would’ve cleared up the story well.
I think the reason FNAF 4 is frustrating is because Scott wanted to find a way to make it more vague enough for the fans to see if they can accomplish that since they (almost) already got the story correct with 1-3. So maybe this is why we still dread over FNAF 4’s unknown story.
On one hand: I might agree on the box since what you shown made tons of sense when it’s cleared out. But to add something in there, I think BV’s corpse is within the box and it’s buried away with the Foxy mask and other decorations to setup BV’s coffin, those being his plushies and as well; but that leads to MemoryVictim or ShatterVictim since those relics reflect the events going on in 1-3. Mike is now bound and stuck with that memory and wants to find a way to forget about it and not open it until the time is right; later, Happiest Day occurs and the box was opened and Mike has finally let go for good.
But what you’ve said in this video really makes sense and I highly enjoyed watching this video.
5:41 it's not even a smoking gun because hospitals don't necessarily use digital alarm clocks. in fact, a lot use analog clocks because they're less power hungry and also display time down to the second, which is better for patient care
(yes, digital clocks can also display seconds but also consider the maxim "if it aint broke, dont fix it" - hospital workers already have enough on their hands, no reason to swap out a working system for one that's more expensive)
grandfather clocks end the nights of the first 3 games because they're a universally-understood sign of time passing. the digital alarm clock of fnaf 4 serves the same function, it just connects more to the gameplay being in a bedroom.
I honestly think that the tiny Toy Chica missing her beak is meant to hint that the girl with the toys is the one who possessed Toy Chica. Other than that, I hard agree with just about everything else. Great video.
the question scott asked had the simplest awnser all along and we just never seen it, it was lost at a birthday party. smh
watching this instead of paying attention in class 😂
Aw shucks…
Feel u bru
I hate people who use their phone in class. Doodle like the rest of us rich boy
@ how bout you get sum money broke boy 😭😂✌️
@@revdawg I am. Bet you don't even have a job rich boy
Smh...Copycat...
Jk jk, awesome video! I don't blame people for thinking that Dream Theory was the case way back when, or that it was somehow "retconned". When you look at the evidence in the game it's not that far fetched to believe Dream Theory actually did seem plausible back in the day. It really just comes down to misinterpreting evidence (or rather, simply interpreting evidence differently.)
Great video, even though I don’t agree with some of the points, I think you’re on the right track at least. Especially with the box, as with it being Mike’s memories, the contents of it could change as Mike was given more history, and now it would be hard to get back to because the story’s mostly moved away from Mike.
Anywho, I’m not sure you’re looking at the toy chica hint the way he intended. He says why is the tiny toy chica missing her beak, not fnaf2 toy chica. I imagine you thought he meant why, in a meta sense, would the tiny toy chica be missing her beak, but I think he’s talking about it within the context of FNAF4’s plot. That’s how he frames the BV hint anyway. Otherwise, under your interpretation, the hint should be, why is toy chica in FNAF2 missing her beak, or simply tell us to take another look at the tiny toy chica and fill in the rest from there.
Also in the same interview, Scott says FNAF2 Toy Chica took off her beak just because he wanted to make her more creepy, or “uncomfortable” in his words. Maybe he changed his mind but, I’m guessing we’re supposed to think about the hint in a more literal manner.
Tulips are very commonly associated with Mothers, New mothers, Birth, Easter and Mother's day in the USA. Scott is an American, has a large family and in very way is a more "traditional" person in terms of his cultural awareness; why would he choose a large vase of Mother-associated flowers AND pill bottles; what you pick up from at the pharmacy to then use inside of your home (in hospitals you are served your doses as needed outside of any packaging). Also; you can have an IV line outside of a hospital environment, especially if someone is chronically ill or terminally ill.
Usually when someone uses a flower in stories, they look at flower meanings first instead of things it could be associated with. For tulips, the first result on google is literally just:
Love: Tulips are often associated with deep, perfect, and genuine love. They can be given to a partner, family member, or friend to express affection.
Rebirth: Tulips bloom in the spring, so they are often associated with rebirth and renewal.
Love: Makes sense for Dave's family to get him flowers to represent their love for him in hoping he wakes up and pulls through.
Rebirth: Makes sense from a meta perspective in the sense that Dave goes on to possess a thing and be all spooky and ghosty, needing Happiest Day to move on or be at peace.
I think it's more likely Scott chose a large vase of flowers that had two fairly good meanings for what he was going for.
@@shaelynmartin1996 I understand where you are coming from, but I'd like to draw attention back to your method. You are using an internet search engine to generate broad / non-regional specific definitions. What I was trying to draw attention to is that the Writer of this narrative lives in the United States of America, has a large traditional family and is immersed in that sort of traditionalist, American culture. He's had several children and so has had to attend births for his own and likely others (it is common practice to invite your close family to wait outside, or visit shortly after; it is very common to want your new child to 'met' their new aunts, uncles, cousins and grandparents as well as godparents and the child's parents best friends.) And in that regional setting the default is to send tulips. And during Mother's Day it's traditional to send Tulips, instead of Lilies. On Easter is is a 50/50 to go with Tulips or Lilies, though if you are Christen then you would choose Lilies for Easter over Tulips.
In most cases, authors will pull from their immediate life experience and look up the technical definitions second. So if Scott was unmarried, I would go with your internet search engine results over the specific region traditions of where he grew up, but because he would have participated in these traditions then I am inclined to look towards those over broader international definitions of what things are broadly understood to mean outside of one localized area.
@@porcelainchips6061 Sure, but look at everything else the game tells us. Which is that Dave died in the hospital and never woke up from his coma. The hospital is not sending a coma patient home when he's dying. It just seems odd that just because in a specific way, you can look at the flower type as instead being something around Mother's Day. And, again, that's assuming Scott even bothers with flowers like that. Just because he's a traditional Christian family man, doesn't mean he knows all this deep lore about flowers. Tulips are also readily available in hospitals BECAUSE they symbolize love and rebirth.
@@shaelynmartin1996 Pill bottles are issued by pharmacies to hold your perscribed medication. Pill bottles are not used in a hospital setting; you are handed your specific dose at your dose time by a nurse. The nurse then confirms/documents you have taken your dose. A coma patient cannot swallow pills and would instead either receive all medication through an IV line or by injection (or a feeding tube, or... The other way.).
We hear a Flatline as everything fades away from around the crying child; IVs can be at home, hospital beds can be at home, but the pill bottles make no sense. A vitals monitor makes no sense in a home environment. In Security Breach the FNAF4 quilt is shown on a child's hospital bed. Dave probably did die in a hospital, because he probably never woke up. However that does not mean the hidden objects in the gameplay sections are connected to him. I do not believe the objects are connected to Dave BECAUSE of the pill bottles AND the tulips. Both items suggest the sick person is awake; they can see the flowers, they can sit up and take the pills without chocking on them.
Going back to the flowers specifically; it is not typical for people to research flowers that are present in their regional culture / used for their regional rituals. I know about the mother-association because you are told; "Honey, make sure to by tulips because it is mother's day" or "Get tulips, not the white roses." You learn through reputation and practice; you're told what to do, you see it around you and you embody it going forward. It is also, in American culture, important to not to give certain arrangements because the wrong combination is bad luck; White roses and White Lilies are for loss --- it's a bad omen to give them to a new mother. Vice Versa it is seen as "cruel" or in poor taste to give flowers with color to someone who has passed / to a family experiencing loss.
At it's core the reason why I harp on the tulips, or the specifics of any of these three objects, is because Scott had to MAKE the models and then color them in and arrange them; he decided to include flowers and then had to choose either one type or multiple flower types to model; he would have to pull up reference images and decide on the colors, scale, number, so on; Scott specifically said FNAF4 contains no random elements; we are suppose to take FNAF4 and solve itself and the three previous games using it assuming that was the final game. He said, at the game's launch, there were zero plans to carry on the story from there. He only decided to keep going later; so all three objects are suppose to not require more games in the series to make sense of, AND (as I said before) he made every asset had to make each creative choice along the way knowing he only wanted the game to represent intentional information and no red herrings.
13:43 a friend named Sage Seraph made MemoryVictim
Afton Terrorised Dave/CC with something he saw that he shouldn't have. This could be the reasoning for "I am your wickedness made flesh." Nightmare is saying he's the embodiment of the decision to torture his son, Afton's original wicked act. When trying to be friendly as an imaginary friend, William Afton tells Dave/CC: "Don't you remember what you saw? You have to get help." Which is followed by a misconstrued chase sequence involving a man in a Fredbear suit that leads to Dave/CC crying in the fetal position. The ONLY thing I can think of at the time that Dave/CC could've seen would be the backroom that Afton works in, I mean he gets locked in a separate parts and service room on night 4, with a corpse concealed in the Spring Bonnie suit that was seen in an Easter egg of that room in a earlier night's mini game. The Spring lock Suits are what he's afraid of and what he saw. Meaning he either saw his father do something with one he shouldn't have OR saw an employee have a fatal accident in one. The nightmare mascots are even themed in appearance around the battered old spring lock Suits.
How could Mike forget his brother though? Combining the Logbook with SL's canon ending would indicate that Mike was returned to life by being possessed by the remnant he was injected with during SL and that this remnant would be a mix of Dave/CC and Cassidy as they talk through the book itself AS MIKE IS WRITING IN IT. Mike's writing and Doodles are also key to figuring out BOTH of their names as Hyperdroid points out in his theory. This as an idea has some implications that I'm not certainly not exactly thrilled with but work narratively WITHOUT changing anymore than the viewer's perspective on existing evidence. UCN will certainly be different under this perspective.
@AloneTheorist it’s a scraped plot point
i'm still of the belief that the movie exists in a separate parallel canon, but the callbacks like the pill bottles are definitely interesting in retrospect
12:02 or it could be manifestation of his guilt for the bite of ‘83 and how he played such a pivotal role in his little brother’s death. I like that idea better tbh
fnaf 4 theory that doesnt revolve around dream theory... IM SATTTTT
I totally agree, I honestly really don't like when people act like Dream Theory was canon, sure it didn't seem like a bad idea at the moment with the limited evidence we had, but even then I don't think Scott was ever trying to point to that direction
He basically said, he forgot wats in the box, or doesnt know.
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I don't know if this would work with the timeline, but could nightmare represent the fun times or enard since that's what kills Mike and would make scene with why he has the stomachache mouth since that's a detail wich always confused me.
This might be a nothing burger nitpick but why would a coma patient have pills next to him? Coma patients can't swallow pills, so if they're not for the comatose, who are they for?
That’s not a nothing burger nitpick at all
FoxyBro/Michael Afton/Mike Schmidt. They're probably sleeping pills/antidepressants.
Actually, I think the reason Mike relives crying child's nightmare experiments is because of crying child's agony in the fredbear plush. I think some time after Sister Location Mike went back to the underground facility and found the fredbear plush in the security office, which contained crying child's agony from the nightmare experiments.
Personally I think the comment about Chica missing her beak was supposed to connect the girl with the toys of the Toy Animatronics to the sister's room in FNAF 4 where the final one was(that being Mangle) in order to show that she was the sister(though when I was like 7 I immediately came to the conclusion that the room was empty because she died and that was going to be a future mystery... Crazy how I successfully predicted a big future plot point by getting something wrong in FNAF 4.
Also, while I'm not quite sure of what the answer was meant to be back then, I think the current answer is supposed to be Mike's Foxy mask.
Or… the real story is the friends we made along the way! Jk, great video btw 🐻❤️
12:00 GOD I WASN'T READY 😂😂😂
Casual Nightmare jumpscare 😂
another 5 billion to Zetorocks Fright Guard discussion
Nah Scott still did retcon the entire story in fnaf 4 cuz originally there was no crying child in 1-3 but we had happiest day still which was obviously just releasing the missing children but he wanted to continue the story so he made happiest day about crying child instead and then when he did that he had to re address the missing children through the fun times and molten Freddy.
...um, no.
RTTP literally confirmed Cassidy was the one freed and it did free the spirits.
David Afton was freed during FNAF World as far as we can tell.
also i think fnaf world is also Canon
As weird as the phone guy being in the audio files I don’t think it’s enough for me to separate the crying child from the gameplay, the teeth in the stomach like being eaten or the plushies that he has coming to life. Layouts aside there’s the hospital iv flowers and medicine so I just can’t see it
All of this works with Mike though. The teeth in the stomach because he saw his brother get bit by Fredbear, the plushies aren’t even CC’s since Foxy isn’t missing his head, but if they are it still works with Mike anyway as CC considered them his friends, so Mike feeling guilty and having nightmares about CC’s friends coming after him makes sense. Or it could just be because they were something CC was close to and that’s why they make their way into his nightmares. The IV, flowers, and pills make more sense with Mike since CC wouldn’t be able to see those things in the hospital anyway. As we know from the night 6 minigame he seems to be in some sort of void.
Just one small problem, how would he see the IV Pills and Flowers by his BED..... from within his coma?!?
It would have to be a visitor. And WHO do we hear talking to him in the final cutscene in grey text in what is seemingly a hospital room based on the flatline?
I don't believe the bite victim was fully put back together/freed i believe he stayed attached to something (maybe the mimic) and entered glamrock freddy eventually
What if the video games. . . are video games?
Yay the latest "I solved fnaf!" Titled video
17:50 isnt it funny how this "fredbear" plush has a black hat and bowtie? why would they not be purple??
Its from an online version of the book, the physical book does have purple
the colors on the plush change in response to cc's death, akin to the tears on the puppet. maybe. just spittin
This honestly might be correct it makes a lot of sense
A biiiig stretch theory i like to think about sometimes that doesn’t really make sense is the nightmares are coppelia’s
It says she had nightmares for a week and it also explains the distorted phone audio (and the grandfather clock)
But everything else like the nightmare Fredbear in the logbook doesn’t make sense here
Good theory btw, W
It’s really just speculation and I know it’s been debunked already
Wasn't there a monster based on the box and the crying child knee down posture you showed in Freddy in Space? Surprised you didn't mention it.
There was a monster based on all the dream theory hints in general. I was going to talk about it but honestly it could go either way and I didn’t really have anything to say
I still think the original intention was dream theory but great video nonetheless!!
Wow.
I never actually looked at it this way. It makes way more sense than dream theory.
I mean, even back then I found absurd that a child was capable of creating an entire story made of murders that’s completely fictional.
Totally think you're onto something, it makes way more sense that you play as Mike.
Am I crazy or is there another video with this exact title?
Idk maybe
2:15 sountrack name ?
Caught in a loop
@@zetorocks811 thanks
I don't think you can use "UCN's fake teaser poked fun of dream theory" as evidence it was never Scott's intention for dream theory to be true. If he HAD changed his mind (I don't think he did. I just think he did the worst possible job telling us the story), of course he would later make fun of it. "Spider-Man Into the Spiderverse." Made fun of the clone saga (comics) and Spider-Man 3 (movie), but that doesn't mean the writers of those two pieces of art didn’t want people to take it seriously.
Edited to say, I will give the rest of the video a fair listen, that specific piece was poor evidence is all I meant
The point isn't purely that it was joked about, it was joked about alongside false theories. It would be kinda weird to joke about a false theory, a false theory, and a correct theory.
@17raysplays29 it would have been a theory that WAS correct UNTIL Scott retconned it. I'm telling you, if he HAD made Dream Theory non canon, he could save face by laughing along and being like "y-Yeah, that's so dumb. Haha."
But I do get what you're saying. In the end it also comes down to "how much do we think Scott changes his mind to appease fans?" To which my answer is "a lot." Otherwise we wouldn't have 3 endings to the original series
Ngl, the Cc part was interesting
12:00 that jumpscared me so bad omg
I'm always glad to see someone else agree that crying child's memories affect reality after his death!
Scott made sure to clarify that the toy chica missing her beak is important and the only real answers that i've seen as to why that is are that his memories affect reality or that the little girl with that toy chica toy is susie (if the toys are possesed by the mci after the classics were used for parts) or she's the girl who posesses toy chica (if the toys are possesed by their own set of children and not the mci)
However i heavily disagree with william being the final speaker
Whoever it is helps set up the fnaf 3 minigames which then leads to the mci being freed, there's no way that william would do that
They're either charlie or cassidy
"But they died after crying child did!" Yeah and rttp basically confirmed that altering memories and pseudo time travel are both canon
There's also the posibility of the final speaker being elizabeth which ties her to pigtails girl and it's a really cool theory
The speaker appears in fnaf world as yellow eyes...do you remember what baby also appeared as in her fnaf world ending?
There's also an early teaser for sister location were baby has yellow eyes
Yellow like the text color of both pigtails girl and the final speaker
There's the fact that pigtails girl looks so similar to baby
And if moltenmci and shattervictim are both true then baby's ennard plan literally puts him back together
And why did elizabeth use a phrase such as put back together? Well, do you remember that broken toy foxy toy? A mangle toy, basically
In fnaf 2 phone guy states that they left mangle as a "take apart, put back together" animatronic
If either william or michael called it that too...then elizabeth, upon hearing her brother was "broken", would remember that phrase and promise to put him back together
And then when the others in ennard kick her out she again says she can put herself back together
To be honest you didn’t really solve the original story because you’re using media that came after the “re-contextualisation of fnaf 4” as said by Scott.
The fnaf 1 phone call doesn’t really prove anything because in the mini games the toy animatronics are present but it’s 1983. This was probably to connect the bite victim’s memories to the happiest day, either that or the fnaf 2 location is actually way older in the timeline than we thought. Before nightmare experiment concepts were even a thing it was most defiantly a dream. The dreamer? The crying child. Fleshed out animatronic versions of his bullies terrorise him, the nightmares pick you up just like what we see in the bite of 83. Why is nightmare bb canon? Well it’s because of the humanised balloon kid taking on an animatronic form in his dreams. Nightmare’s jumpscare sounds like an ambulance sound because he’s literally the embodiment of death, why would his brother even be facing nightmare?
Obviously I don’t believe this now since it could very much have been re-contextualised.
Why must I point out that bite victim is haunted by terrible memories? Well, it’s because it ties back to ShatterVictim and the happiest day mini games.
One thing to note is that in order to further understand the original idea of FNaF 4 we must look towards FNaF world and the box. What’s in the box? The pieces put together. Seems vague but what pieces? By collecting all the clocks the ever so elusive yellow eyes tells us “the pieces are in place for you” just like that we were given the answer, the happiest day mini game.
The visual similarities between the puppet and the bite victim is symbolic. The pieces in place are all the MCI in a reflected version of the failed birthday day, the final piece to put everything back together is the crying child’s reflection, the puppet. That’s why he’s sobbing in the same position as BV in mangle’s quest.
To settle the Mike question. No, foxybro does not have a significant part of the story yet, just like his toy collecting sister. It was only when Sister location came out that these two were given a fleshed out story.
OF COURSE NOT
But the pilles dont make sence in this univerce, Mike took pilles to dream and find ount what happend to his brother, why would Mike take pilles in this world, he cant sleep or something
The camera showing the house chair, doesnt have the X tape or waht ever, so the animatronics werent real, it was all a halutination or MIke or Cry child was dreaming it all
The mini game with Cry child i think is the dream of Mike, reason why the Fox toy doesnt have a head witch to me implies that its in side Mikes head, dreaming
The first point only applies to the movie
Another S from Zetorocks
Gibi fans stand proud
Oh my god it’s amazing
Are you sure ⁉️
Oh but of course
Nothing else to say other than W video.
Nice video
I don't think dream theory was ever the case but I also disagree with you, I'm still a "The FNaF 4 family was originally Henry's and the sister was split into Charlie and Elizabeth" truther
Love how all the 2nd interview with Scott they kept claiming that Scott would say what's in the box, and he completely ignores the question and answers nothing. He just spouts nonsense
He says he forgot. Scott said the box was a loose end he decided not to pursue in later games because doing so would feel forced and he didn't have a good conclusion for it that'd make people happy.
Scott basically said "I put loose ends in my games to pick up on later" which would explain why nobody understands Midnight Motorist
@at_witts_end3470 huh..well that makes much more sense
I don’t think he forgot I just think it’s an abandoned plot point and to actually explain what’s in the box would require him to explain his original intent with the story which he probably doesn’t want to do for multiple reasons
@@zetorocks811 this ^
why is this so tough to understand? Look at how this community behaves just between the OG games, current books, OG graphic novels/trilogy, movies, interactive books, and steel wool games. We all agree on so much and are so nice to each other, why oh why would scott not want to throw anything else into the ring especially when: he has explained it all fine (people just dont like his answers), this is his multimedia franchise worth millions upon millions, and he has spoken out before about not liking the division and flame wars online that happen when people disagree on interpretations and/or canon-ness...
Okay, but why are you talking so fast? Slow down bro, you're allowed to take a breath lol
You speak too fast man
you know since the arc or whatever is over he couldve just put out like a cut content or whatever and finally tell us what was originally in the box so we can figure out what was planned
or he couldve have just been making the story by the seat of his pants and whatever fell into place he just went with it
According to his description in the interview he had the concept in mind and knew that he had an answer somewhere in his head, but it was still a subconscious thought and he was hoping that it would come to him when he reached the correct point to implement it like what happened with previous games. The story went a completely different direction and he never actually got to draw that idea out.