An excellent videoe both in sound and vision. Dr Ramirez is a fascinating lecturer who draws in her audiance to listen to every well chosen word she utters in her gentle enthusiastic tones
I think she made a small mistake tho. In the beginning she correctly mentions the church at Saint-Denis as the starting point of the Gothic building style. However, what she shows is the actual choir and nave of the church, which were built later and are in High Gothic style. What she should have shown was the ambulatory. This part of the church is considered as the start of the Gothic experiment and is still relatively bulky and a bit lobsided, altho very interesting non the less.
I question whether the pointed arch had Eastern origins at all. It seems to be an indigenous development within Europe. Certainly the Normans took no other architectural feature from Islam, and Islam at the time favored the horseshoe arch.
dlwatib The Normans certainly did adopt Islamic motifs in their architecture, as many buildings in Sicily attest (google Monreale -- absolutely incredible building). My understanding is that the ogee made its way from the Muslim world into Europe via returning crusaders around the late 13th c.
Just in order to be clear: Janina Ramirez might be a good art historian but she is a very inadequate historian of theology. I happen to know something about the history of theological ideas given that I have both undergrad and postgrad qualifications in this area of study and I can assure you that most of the comments she makes about Christian belief, etc., are either false or massively oversimplified (just another kind of false). For instance she suggests that it was St Anselm who first introduced the idea that reason can be a part of faith. That's just not true at all. You can go back much earlier than that to the New Testament itself which incorporates elements of Greek philosophy. Also, theologians such as Origen and Augustine, etc., considered it essential to balance faith and reason.
And slanted toward English nationalist propaganda more than truth. England the style leader through Gothic architecture? Not quite! When you think Gothic architecture the first picture that comes into your mind is (or should be) a French cathedral! England has always followed France in matters of style.
+bayreuth79 Just wait till you see her documentary, and I use that word in the loosest sense possible, about the Icelandic sagas. She would have you believing that English-born slaves were a major contributing factor to medieval Icelandic literature.
Patronising documentary by numbers....panoramic stock footage of Paris?.. slap on the accordion music, and while you're at it, why not zoom in on an onion johnny on a bicycle with the black and white striped vest and a black beret on! just in case we're in any doubt as to which city we're looking at! after all, it could be Blackpool, they've got a tower too.
The presenter seems to satisfy herself by regurgitating extracts of semi-digested wiki-wisdom with no attempt to clarify or quetion the conclusions on which her texts are based. She may be pleased with this subjective discourse but the BBC should not.
+Nigel C.B. Durrant Agreed. There seems to be a new breed of pseudo-intellectual out there that is having a disastrous effect upon historical documentaries, choosing entertainment value over real precision or depth. Very unsettling.
+Snuggles McSquishbottom Yes, but lest we all forget the target audience for these documentaries...idiots too lazy to do the research themselves, that's who these documentaries are structured for. quick 45 minutes of eye candy and vague information, then your off to experience the real world!
Tony Verrelli Oh come on, there are plenty of good documentaries out there. Even idiots like me understand that we're not going to acquire exhaustive knowledge of a subject in 45 minutes, yet we still hold up certain standards for the information that does manage to get transmitted in that time.
Snuggles McSquishbottom snuggles my little padawan please don`t assume i was calling you in idiot, unlike sir NIGEL over there....but yea, you got a point, people should demand more informative programs for what their paying. But PLEASE keep the sexy little commentators, I like being horny and educated.
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An excellent videoe both in sound and vision. Dr Ramirez is a fascinating lecturer who draws in her audiance to listen to every well chosen word she utters in her gentle enthusiastic tones
I think she made a small mistake tho. In the beginning she correctly mentions the church at Saint-Denis as the starting point of the Gothic building style. However, what she shows is the actual choir and nave of the church, which were built later and are in High Gothic style. What she should have shown was the ambulatory. This part of the church is considered as the start of the Gothic experiment and is still relatively bulky and a bit lobsided, altho very interesting non the less.
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Playlist : 1/4 Architects of the Divine: The First Gothic Age
She certainly looks the part
Can you get the second episode unblock? Or repost so it isn't blocked?
Fascinating.
beautiful
Janina makes some fine docs and is also seriously gorgeous.
Lol
I'm really lol at that comment
The Romanesque is simple but very effective
I like girls who are into Goth
-ic Architecture.
need more history teachers like janina ,i would have gone to every class. just to see that lovely smile of hers.
rofl
Loved he opening - the word gothic conjures up images of horror, grotesques, vampires....and then the prethenter appears!
The music at the end,can somebody tell me what it is?
I was hoping this doc would go more in depth into the crusades and the eastern origins of the Gothic arch. Nevermind.
I question whether the pointed arch had Eastern origins at all. It seems to be an indigenous development within Europe. Certainly the Normans took no other architectural feature from Islam, and Islam at the time favored the horseshoe arch.
dlwatib The Normans certainly did adopt Islamic motifs in their architecture, as many buildings in Sicily attest (google Monreale -- absolutely incredible building). My understanding is that the ogee made its way from the Muslim world into Europe via returning crusaders around the late 13th c.
Only had to come here from my art class lmao
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Oh God Janina Ramirez is just like Gerard Way's lost sister in Three Cheers For Sweet Revenge era.
what about the guy hanging by the neck in the first ivory carving? did he not believe in Jesus or something?
Judas hanging himself for betraying Jesus for 30 pieces of Silver.
She's kinda cute
It is beautiful. For how long it stood, it stood there in Notre Dame, Paris for centuries
Just in order to be clear: Janina Ramirez might be a good art historian but she is a very inadequate historian of theology. I happen to know something about the history of theological ideas given that I have both undergrad and postgrad qualifications in this area of study and I can assure you that most of the comments she makes about Christian belief, etc., are either false or massively oversimplified (just another kind of false). For instance she suggests that it was St Anselm who first introduced the idea that reason can be a part of faith. That's just not true at all. You can go back much earlier than that to the New Testament itself which incorporates elements of Greek philosophy. Also, theologians such as Origen and Augustine, etc., considered it essential to balance faith and reason.
I do not recall her mentioning that he was 'the first' to include reason as part of faith.
its just all ads...there are better places to watch this...
Too MANY COMMERCIALS
Gothic makes me think of Sherlock Holmes and hot Goth girls.
The BBC is so patronizing. Lowest common denominator programming delivered in a patronising tone of voice
And slanted toward English nationalist propaganda more than truth. England the style leader through Gothic architecture? Not quite! When you think Gothic architecture the first picture that comes into your mind is (or should be) a French cathedral! England has always followed France in matters of style.
...One thing is very clear about England today, there is very little taste for nationalism - thats remains a French pastime.
+bayreuth79 Just wait till you see her documentary, and I use that word in the loosest sense possible, about the Icelandic sagas. She would have you believing that English-born slaves were a major contributing factor to medieval Icelandic literature.
Terrible scholarship, annoying voice, terrible makeup
Nationalism is well and truly alive in England - we love our country!
Patronising documentary by numbers....panoramic stock footage of Paris?.. slap on the accordion music,
and while you're at it,
why not zoom in on an onion johnny on a bicycle with the black and white striped vest and a
black beret on! just in case we're in any doubt as to which city we're looking at!
after all, it could be Blackpool, they've got a tower too.
lmao, I love this comment!
The presenter seems to satisfy herself by regurgitating extracts of semi-digested wiki-wisdom with no attempt to clarify or quetion the conclusions on which her texts are based. She may be pleased with this subjective discourse but the BBC should not.
+Nigel C.B. Durrant Agreed. There seems to be a new breed of pseudo-intellectual out there that is having a disastrous effect upon historical documentaries, choosing entertainment value over real precision or depth. Very unsettling.
+Snuggles McSquishbottom Yes, but lest we all forget the target audience for these documentaries...idiots too lazy to do the research themselves, that's who these documentaries are structured for. quick 45 minutes of eye candy and vague information, then your off to experience the real world!
Tony Verrelli Oh come on, there are plenty of good documentaries out there. Even idiots like me understand that we're not going to acquire exhaustive knowledge of a subject in 45 minutes, yet we still hold up certain standards for the information that does manage to get transmitted in that time.
Snuggles McSquishbottom snuggles my little padawan please don`t assume i was calling you in idiot, unlike sir NIGEL over there....but yea, you got a point, people should demand more informative programs for what their paying. But PLEASE keep the sexy little commentators, I like being horny and educated.
+Nigel C.B. Durrant RUclips whinger probably a pom, the worst whingers of all.
Gothic weird