I agree with your points in the video. I don't understand those who believe Cabba is losing to Cell Saga ss2 Gohan. Cabba clears BoG arc Goku and Vegeta, let alone everything before it. I always argue that GT and DBS do have some similar feats, and it's not a one-sided stomp on either side for certain characters.
It's funny because people like gohan and android 17 got so strong with no real explanation but then people feel like cabba who's constantly training can't be that strong. It's understandable but ive seen worse, like when trunks outright beat merged zamasu or when android 19 fought goku who was created by a regular human, hell even cell max was a big jump. You definitely helped explain the power of the 2 guys, it's complicated but you did well.
But cabba isnt really showcased being that strong you have Like the one Fight where Vegeta said to him that He IS AS strong AS Vegeta in Base but honestly These seemed Not honest ON Vegetas Part because He tanked everything with No difficulty that cabba threw at him and that shouldnt Happen If their Base Power was the Same.
@laisphinto6372 that could easily be explained. Cabba although being strong seemed green with his attacks and also this is only stated after Cabba fired his galick gun. I believe he could be close but vegeta still stronger. And in the universe survival saga there's cases where Cabba is knocking out robot's not even looking and these same robot's scared away base gohan and gohan isn't like goku who holds back too much, even vegeta. Tho top was very confusing
IS He tho? Just because Vegeta was saying IT doesnt make it true , Vegeta gave cabba the Sensei Talk mid Battle and IT was more Like a master overpraising a Student and in No Second was Vegeta in Trouble against cabba
Good video. I disagree with being able to use the off screen Pikkon stuff with Super though. Pikkon also beat up Frieza in Z, but we know that couldn’t have happened since Frieza was in his cocoon the whole time and should have looked like Mecha Frieza.
thanks but if we got to that level nitpick then everything GT wise with movies shouldn't count because Goku not being able to go ssj against cooler goes against the anime canon and etc it's all really wonky
Day one and I'm already seeing gt fanboys getting angry😂 I don't think people understand that 90% of super has consistently showcased characters that are universe level. Gogeta barely even scratches the surface of that power meanwhile cabbe fought with god ki vegeta and tried fighting golden frieza.
Sugoroku space is established an infinite " between space and time " as well as life and death which are a binary opposition making another layer of transcendence , destroyed by Base Goku baby arc , dbs has to catch up to this first before we can start thinking about how far dbs Goku goes in GT let alone Cabba. 8:05 Fauty logic . Goku made a statement about Buu which by default applies to whichever character is Buu , claiming Goku meant a specific version but didn't mention it is pure headcanon . Before i even mention right before that line he says " The universe sure is a big place huh , never thought i'd come across a ki this large " . 8:42 It's never stated about negative karma ball . The statement comes from when after defeating everyone , he started using the weakest dragon's ability black aura emitting from his body , saying he'd destroy everything that exists. Anything more than earth was not in the plan before that scene , think there was a universal statement at the start by the kais but the dragons themselves never expressed interest in punishing more than earth before that scene from Omega . With Old kai stating it'd reach Kaioshin realm " soon " so even the overtime implication from people over BoG which was also established to take 3 long punch and beam clashes iwith equal contribution from Beerus in each at the very least . Let alone the fact that it was the weakest possible " attack " Omega could do , destroying everything without having to lift a finger , which only falls in line with the fact that GT characters scale leagues above since Base GT Goku destroyed sugoroku space . 9:10 But u're literally showing on screen the statement made in the series itself by Gogeta 4 not just guidebooks . 9:30 Exactly , he was " confident " that it'd do the job , he didn't say how much of his power he was using in that , when u have stuff like him simply kicking away the opponent's strongest attack without any struggle , u might as well believe he can infact beat him with one finger which he has stated , other than dominating him on a hilarious level in every other aspect . One cannot deny 90% of the fight and statements establishing him leagues above Omega by something seemingly contradicting without solid proof . It's similar to Syn getting utterly bullied in every aspect by increased full power ssj4 Goku while being blind and still barely surviving what he thought would finish him , so either it is he surpasses expectations in terms of survival , or we have to say his durability really exceeds him by leagues . 10:00 False equivalence , Goku was utterly outclassed most of time in that fight , manging some rare instances of outreacting him by reflexes other than the dragonfist or implied similar result from final explosion . Golden ozaru baby said " super galick gun " while firing his beam on earth to destroy a section too , yet u cannot claim he had any incentive hence intention to destroy the full planet worth of possessed in the first place let alone failed to when the next time he uses it he threatens to destroy it with that if dodged it as he was all of the attacks earlier , making clear he wanted to make him desperate by attacking earth at all , again in scaling when Base GT Goku is already doing attacks destroying stuff beyond space and time then *accidently* shaking heaven and hell in base while apparently trying to teach Frieza and Cell how to use ki then having to stop powering up saying " oops maybe i went a little overboard " . Just the name of the attack doesn't mean they're putting anywhere near their all . 10:47 Being above space and time in their entirety or/and above binary oppositions like life and death at the same time is given the term " outerversal " in scaling . Again , best dbs has reached is somewhat scale to the above space and time with UI Goku shaking world of void , not even going against anything of the level of sugoroku space let alone do what Baby arc Base Goku did . Before we can even bring Super baby 2's RDB into the picture which in its first showing was stated to make Goku incapable of coming back to life , chased him to subspace from the living world and warped him to sugoroku space , before its bigger version was tanked by first Ssj4 Goku no effort . 11:30 It's actually not debatable at all but that it's not really all that popular to watch GT in recent times let alone remember info from the original subbed version even in the people who watched it years ago .
Cabba isn’t even a bad character just because he isn’t swollen like all the others doesn’t mean he’s a terrible character Dragon Ball fans just don’t know good writing if it was shoved in their face they don’t understand how Dragon Ball actually works
SSG & SS4 >> SS3 DBS & DBGT Goku flex on DBZ in base Cabba > Post-SSG Base Goku > SSG > Failed SSG > Hypothetical BoG Vegito > Super Vegito > Pre-SS4 Base Goku (likely; might be stronger than Super Vegito too but things get sketch any higher up) > Pre-SSG SS3 Goku > Vegeta > Ultimate Gohan A SS Cabba would basically be a BoG SSB Goku+, and he’s facing what’s effectively a Fusion Warrior whose base form is more than likely a magnitude or so above SS4 Goku which is to say, conceptually Cabba might be cooked despite how insane a boost SSG is numerically. Feat-wise, it’s debatable-ish, but not really. Like, there are arguments about base GT Goku by the Nueva Shenron fight being on SS4 Baby Arc+ levels of power. Which is why I laid things out the way I did.
GOGETA SLAMS!!! W VID!!! oh and omega was poluting/ destroying everything by just existing the negative energy ball is something more powerful, more like a hakai of sorts and gogeta ssj4 didn't show his full power since he probably just felxed on him with his ult, keep that in mind
Super has inconsistent scaling. The scaling is really bad. Also Let’s not act like GT wasn’t scaling down their attacks MASSIVELY so they wouldn’t destroy the universe, much less the planet.
@xXSonTJXx GT Goku literally destroyed a dimension in Base form , not to mention that most of DBZ movies are Canon to GT Cabba is not going past base GT Goku, let alone Gogeta Also, if you think Goku is getting cut by a glass is a weakness , then SSB Goku got one shotted by an ordinary Ray gun It's a good thing back on Namek there were no Frieza soldiers left , otherwise, they would have smoked Goku with Ray guns
@xXSonTJXx Bro, if it is not serious, then half the fandom wouldn't be arguing about it right now Previous Strongest Fighter in existence vs. a skinny nobody What a joke!
This entire concept is a reverse psychology tactic. Probably just to get views from the db community bro. Obviously cabba is no match for ssj4gogeta, Literally half of him, which would be goku or vegeta would beat cabba. Much less the fusion.
It’s really funny that a lot of people will constantly complain about a ‘normal Saiyan’ being stronger than God Goku in BoG Even though said Saiyan had evolved to not needing tails from a different Universe who could’ve gone through his own type of cosmic foes that we are unaware of (which is kinda the point since there could always be someone stronger even in other universes) But yeah nah I agree with you good video, this is one of the funniest popular debates I’ve seen in a while
Ssj4 gogeta didn't show his full potential because of goku being unstable because he had been fighting non-stop ever since Super 17. He also stated that he was goofing around too much
Goku was refreshed before omega shenron was made Yes that’s true but he did use his trump move against omega expecting it to kill and it didn’t He knew about the regeneration because SSJ4 goku failed to kill omega due to regeneration too
Pretty decent video but I don't think you delve enough into scaling and you were consistently using salads scaling which he himself says is a low ball, and if you look at GT and all the perfect files what salad says Gogeta can do is a very low low ball, if I were to put kava against somebody in GT it would probably be against GT Goku without Super Saiyan 4 or 3, Gogeta should be around Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta squared if not stronger, your argument about Super Saiyan 4 gogeta's Big Bang Kamehameha not killing Omega Shenron only works if you don't take into consideration that Omega Shenron has high regeneration, literal Magic which is shown in Dragon Ball to be able to heal, the fact that Gogeta is not trying to destroy the Dragon Balls or the world so he has to hold back, and Gogeta obviously didn't put all his energy into it because he was able to do it again literally a few seconds later.
Like where was base cabba at when we was fighting buu and beerus showed up😂 I'm just joking but still like damn if he that strong like we need him on the team Also, gogeta 4 stomps base cabba
Bro give Cabba SS3 and he stiill wouldn't last a minute aganist Gogeta Also there is this dumb excuse of God ki being absorbed to base because if that was true then why Goku need to transform SS3 to spar with Future Trunks? And Future Trunks is kinda Buu Saga level and he never fought any version of Buu which actually puts him off a little higher than Cell Saga Gohan And why Vegeta needed to transform blue to spar with Future Trunks if he absorbed the God ki? As you said DBZ hss different scaling than DBZ kai and GT is different continuity called the Toeiverse and yes it includes most if not all movies Base GT Goku destroyed a dimension in the Baby Saga He was shaking the entire Afterlife by transforming of SS3 He defeated DBZ Goku who destroyed South galaxy which is quarter of the microcoms in his suppressed SSJ with no god ki In Fusion Reborn , he defeated Janemba, who was the embodiment as Gogeta an angel born in hell SS4 Goku is a beast on his own The blutz waves only makes the user 10,000 stronger and apply that to Great Ape 10 times and hypothetically 160 times increase then you get 1.6 billion Multiplyer to Baby Saga SS4 Goku If we are taking statements to considerable then Elder Kai stated that Baby's Revenge Death Ball is so deadly that if it hits you then you wont come back from the death which is kinda similar to hakai and SS4 Goku tanked it like a boss A lot of people tend to downplay GT for no reason at all bedides being dumb I don't think Cabba is anywhere near Gogeta's level like not even remotely closed
You're just assuming things that's like saying android 17 and gohan shouldn't be goku blue level because 17 fought poachers and gohan trained with piccolo for 1hr. Db does this all the time. Like krillin was about to be 1770 power level which is above radiz when he had less time to train as goku plus 5 year timeskip. Plus trunks literally fought goku black (you know the guy who is stronger than the present self) and trunks said he was close to beating him but then he kept getting stronger. So yeah trunks is god level. As for cabba he's definitely weaker than caulifla but we literally saw what she did against top goku who is at least 10x stronger than he was when he fought hit so they are definitely around That level. I repeat goku and vegeta got at least 10x stronger than they were in the u6 arc so when vegeta said him and cabba are even that time it could be true but that's why vegeta didn't need to transform to fight frost and why base goku held his own against caulifla for a bit before she adapted
This got seriously got out of control 😂😂😂. So what's next omega Shenron or ssj4 Goku and base Frieza or current base piccolo 😂😂😂😂 And yes buuhan is stronger than pure buu or kid buu
@Paule-ek2en I wouldn't go that far but krillin could possibly be able to beat ssj2 gohan reason being gohan was able to take on lavender who was about majin vegeta level as his brother fought buu. Then krillin does better than lavender surprising. But the biggest evidence is that krillin fought a guy who made 18 nervous And even fought her for a bit before she kicked him, this 18 is super strong to the point she was doing things base goku couldn't with the pride troopers and ribrian who got so much hype. So who knows. I remember seth made a video on it
dragon ball power scaling makes 0 sense but for some reason kids take it seriously to the point of d0xing (there were some cases💀) and when you look at the scaling yk they show the franchise on youtube shorts gt scalers claim that the movies and z filler are canon to gt wich they are not they cant even fit into the gt timeline, super scalers claim that xeno, cc and heroes are all canon (i have heard some unironically say kakarot is more canon than the actual dragon ball manga) then the scales go sth like "goku outerversal boundless" meanwhile gt goku gets damaged by glass and super goku by bullets 💀
@@argy7526 He did...unfortunaly i cant post images here so you need to look them for yourself. Akira stated that Kakarot has extra stuff that the manga didnt touch upon. He also stated he approved of the anime Fillers and they are canon to the manga.
@@onyx6774 idk where you heard it but at least i cant find anything on him saying filler or kakarot are canon that doesnt come from reddit or other sites like that and considering that the fandom is known for putting words on toriyama's mouth i wouldnt trust them at all
@@argy7526 There are interviews. In the extra page of the physical manga Akira talks about filler in the anime TV as well. And the official DB site talks about kakarot or pretty much everywhere kakarot was advertised even news outlets talks about it and even show Akiras statement about it.
Gogeta ssj4 if he wanted to can actually increase his big bang kamehameha x200 x300 and finally x1000 as shown that he could do that in db legends omega was just so weak he didn’t need to do that but a 100 percent full power gogeta ssj4 would not only do dragon fist but he would do several dragon fist he would do afterimage x100 kamehameha he would do soul punishers solar flare x10 kamehameha x1000 solar flares blinding the entire galaxy super ki explosions that destroy most of the universe going full power gogeta ssj4 and last but not least a final explosion x10 x20 x300 which would destroy his universe cabba universe and break both dimensions transforming into a ssj5 gogeta which is the main reason gogeta ssj5 can’t be allowed to go all out at the beginning of the battle because that would escalate into him being able ti break his limits and transform into gogeta ssj5 destroying everything in the process
And since db gt is noncanon and the game is nonconcanon they go well together just like with all the movies and it’s because of that reason we will never get to see gogeta ssj4 full power form let alone his full power and abilities but when gogeta ssj4 is made in db legends his stare almost breaks the 4th wall and crakes it on some arale type s and i though that it was just the game that was trying to make him look stronger than normal but he actually did that in the anime when he was formed i don’t care what happenes cabba’t power not cracking the dimension completly breaking it with a glares and the reason why im using game feats like db legends or feats in xenoverse 2 were he’s casually able to stand up unfaze by any attack like 👍 n xenoverse 2 and the reason why im using games to show his feats is because the same reason sonic games use sonic feats in his death battles or feats like n since they stop making gt will never get to see what his full powered ssj4 or his full power look like because people always lowball anime characters feats similar to like how back in the day people would say krillin would beat opm Saitame beacause they didn’t show his full potential or power now they show half of what he’s capable of with him punching through time and everything and it got people feeling very stupid saying krillin would beat opm Saitame knowing he’s never op anything ever before I just feel like with gogeta ssj4 if they showed more of his feats and power i feel like this base form cabba vs gogeta ssj4 would be just like how it was for a long with Saitame opm vs krillin that’s why they should have shown us more dbgt or made a movie showing a villian that makes him use his full power because people now know krillin not beating one punch man Saitame so they went back to comparing him with mui goku and honestly I think it would be the same way vs gogeta ssj4 vs cabba it would be a good fight at first just like time it was with opm Saitame vs krillin was but just like how it would be with them with Saitame strength at first not beating krillin then it all of a sudden starts to become way to much as more and more time pass by it would be the same way with gogeta ssj4 vs base for m cabba or even his other states gogeta ssj4 will just get stronger as he fights adapting getting stronger showing more skill more abilities different fighting styles and cabba not gone be able to keep up regardless of what form he’s using he would ultimately get eitheir disrespected in the end or embarrassed then knowing how people are they would see how broken his abilities are from the movies gogeta having all noncanon movie characters options that’s right even goku feats vs broly non canon original movie feats and how broken his skill is and like with mui goku vs Saitame they would go right back to trying to compare gogeta ssj4 to gogeta ssb and or vegito blue
And also the only reason I mix them is because I don’t know about xenoverse 2 but yea including that game and db legends all they attacks are based soly off the anime and are anime accurate to the T attacks workin exactly how they do in anime that’s right every hit and honestly to a degree so his db fighter z honestly seems nice we don’t know gogeta ssj4 full power he might actually do something more worst than a 1000xbig bang kamehameha like with how skilled he is and experienced I wouldn’t be surprised if he did a soul punisher shield making his body itself become a soul punisher and changing slightly being his full power being able to do rapid attacks while surround with energy that could harm your very soul wait?uh oh I might have just found a way he could compete with mui goku and or ultra ego vegeta lol😂🤣🤣the skill level of gogeta ssj4 is really quite frightening
I desigree with kai or original z being canon to super since the official stance is that it's based off of the original source material in a sequel to the buu arc and I also heavily disagree with just saying that even if it were working in the sky that then booze feet are somehow Cannon to super and even the dragon Ball super starter guide makes it clear the other world tournament took place in the not super Also I don't like just trying to say rildo is stronger than boo because they surpass do well before that Arc and it ignores her contacts as to why Goku would be acknowledging that this guy is more powerful than him My last thing regardless of disagreement on the outcome of the video is when it comes 2 gogeta's Big bang Kamehameha he does not realize that he's running out of power with the fusion timer and at that point thinks he's stronger than he is even though he's down to his very last
So when goku turn ssjb against golden freeza,did he skip all the transformations and went straight to blue or did he turn ssj but turned into blue in the process? Im so damn confused
Its a really simple solution gt with movie scaling and original z added to it Gogeta In base would fodderize super (besides the deities) up until the tournament of power and even then with the feat of metal cooler outspeeding even Instant transmission gogetas speed would be far above that of even someone like granhola who needed an entire wish just to surpass that, even tho In gt's canon metal cooler someone so much weaker than gogeta matches that speed. if you wanna really try hard and say "none of that makes sense how can movies be apart of gt" blablabla then gogeta loses (he loses if you nerf him In his own show congrats) the funny part is battle of gods thanks to the toei timeline is canon to gt (bog the movie) so you could argue base gt goku already has the ssg boost lol. either way its not that serious, its a goofy meme not funny In the slightest, this is worse than "can he beat goku" garbage
@sonTJ Question If DBZ and the DBZ movies are canon to DBGT then what about the DBZ movies Battle of Gods and Resurrection of Frieza are they canon to DBGT or are they in a different Catergory?
I never understood this "you cant scale Super using Z anymore" where did this come from LOL. Where did he get this from? Even then Power correlates to speed in DB so, Cabba would still have infinite speed thanks to the shockwaves. The best Feat Gogeta did was when he Kicked Omega Shenlong Mines Energy Ball it was going to destroy the universe HOWEVER its was overtime, Omega was basically doing what that green dragon was doing but of course on a higher scale. Meanwhile in Battle of Gods God Goku was going to destroy the entire Macrocosm and even the Kaioshin Realm that is outside of it with a punch, And Goku didnt even want to do it. Base Cabba wins.
Hey, you are right If the whole god ki absorbed to base bullshit of an excuse was actually the case, then Goku wouldn't need to transform to SS3 against Future Trunks, who is considered a Buu Saga level of strength or similar
@xXSonTJXx it was a 3v2 ofc he kept up and they were toying with them because they knew they could potara fusion into merged zamasu but we also saw base goku keep up with caulifua in the top until he was forced to go ssj2 so it wouldn't have mattered trunks was still not nearly enough to make a difference
Its just Dragon Ball inconsistencies GT is universal but SSJ4 Goku struggles with pushing up a building and getting cut by glass We can all nitpick here
@@xXSonTJXx GT Goku is also able to come back to life off of will power alone in the Bojack movie. The Bojack movie is canon in the GT series, due to him appearing in fusion reborn. Fusion reborn is canon because When using fusion in GT, Goku and Vegeta allude to them using the technique together a long time ago.
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It is that serious. Im beating every Cabba user online in Sparking Zero with the SS4s day -3.
LMAO
Imma have use Cabba on every SS4 Gogeta player 🤣
@@thebigbadrascal3398 imma use both
Fr me too
Oml I can't believe this silly comment actually got pinned
The fanarts of cabba beating ss4 gogeta has me laughing
I agree with your points in the video. I don't understand those who believe Cabba is losing to Cell Saga ss2 Gohan. Cabba clears BoG arc Goku and Vegeta, let alone everything before it.
I always argue that GT and DBS do have some similar feats, and it's not a one-sided stomp on either side for certain characters.
Same fr people just think that super is newer which makes them stronger but there all around low multi uni- multi uni
Honestly idk how this meme started but it’s hilarious seeing both GT and Super fans debating online 😂
It's funny because people like gohan and android 17 got so strong with no real explanation but then people feel like cabba who's constantly training can't be that strong. It's understandable but ive seen worse, like when trunks outright beat merged zamasu or when android 19 fought goku who was created by a regular human, hell even cell max was a big jump.
You definitely helped explain the power of the 2 guys, it's complicated but you did well.
But cabba isnt really showcased being that strong you have Like the one Fight where Vegeta said to him that He IS AS strong AS Vegeta in Base but honestly These seemed Not honest ON Vegetas Part because He tanked everything with No difficulty that cabba threw at him and that shouldnt Happen If their Base Power was the Same.
@laisphinto6372 that could easily be explained. Cabba although being strong seemed green with his attacks and also this is only stated after Cabba fired his galick gun. I believe he could be close but vegeta still stronger.
And in the universe survival saga there's cases where Cabba is knocking out robot's not even looking and these same robot's scared away base gohan and gohan isn't like goku who holds back too much, even vegeta.
Tho top was very confusing
Jesus what’s with this meme☠️, DB fandom really that bore n wants to start chaos lol. What’s next, Frost cooks Omega Shenron☠️
He does its not a meme
@@vegetalover9297 😂
u don't have to use God's name in vain bro. its not that serious...
Cabba stomps, cabba is base Vegeta level and in super characters are stronger especially in the top then any gt character,
@@Ldsemoboy exactly
IS He tho? Just because Vegeta was saying IT doesnt make it true , Vegeta gave cabba the Sensei Talk mid Battle and IT was more Like a master overpraising a Student and in No Second was Vegeta in Trouble against cabba
I still see Cabba taking it due to matching a three year trained Base Champa arc Vegeta.
I can't tell what would be funnier: if Gogeta beat Cabba and proved the meme wrong, or if Cabba won the way the meme goes 😂
Good video. I disagree with being able to use the off screen Pikkon stuff with Super though. Pikkon also beat up Frieza in Z, but we know that couldn’t have happened since Frieza was in his cocoon the whole time and should have looked like Mecha Frieza.
thanks but if we got to that level nitpick then everything GT wise with movies shouldn't count because Goku not being able to go ssj against cooler goes against the anime canon and etc
it's all really wonky
@@xXSonTJXx yeah I don’t know if I would include movie canon into GT besides movie 1.
Back then Frieza didnt have a cocoon, he only got that when he was revived in Resurrection of F and died again.
Very well articulated argument, however, Nuh uh
All trolling aside The fact that base cabba actually has a legit chance is even more hilarious 😂
Day one and I'm already seeing gt fanboys getting angry😂 I don't think people understand that 90% of super has consistently showcased characters that are universe level. Gogeta barely even scratches the surface of that power meanwhile cabbe fought with god ki vegeta and tried fighting golden frieza.
You smoke too much crack
Sugoroku space is established an infinite " between space and time " as well as life and death which are a binary opposition making another layer of transcendence , destroyed by Base Goku baby arc , dbs has to catch up to this first before we can start thinking about how far dbs Goku goes in GT let alone Cabba.
8:05 Fauty logic .
Goku made a statement about Buu which by default applies to whichever character is Buu , claiming Goku meant a specific version but didn't mention it is pure headcanon .
Before i even mention right before that line he says " The universe sure is a big place huh , never thought i'd come across a ki this large " .
8:42 It's never stated about negative karma ball . The statement comes from when after defeating everyone , he started using the weakest dragon's ability black aura emitting from his body , saying he'd destroy everything that exists. Anything more than earth was not in the plan before that scene , think there was a universal statement at the start by the kais but the dragons themselves never expressed interest in punishing more than earth before that scene from Omega . With Old kai stating it'd reach Kaioshin realm " soon " so even the overtime implication from people over BoG which was also established to take 3 long punch and beam clashes iwith equal contribution from Beerus in each at the very least . Let alone the fact that it was the weakest possible " attack " Omega could do , destroying everything without having to lift a finger , which only falls in line with the fact that GT characters scale leagues above since Base GT Goku destroyed sugoroku space .
9:10 But u're literally showing on screen the statement made in the series itself by Gogeta 4 not just guidebooks .
9:30 Exactly , he was " confident " that it'd do the job , he didn't say how much of his power he was using in that , when u have stuff like him simply kicking away the opponent's strongest attack without any struggle , u might as well believe he can infact beat him with one finger which he has stated , other than dominating him on a hilarious level in every other aspect . One cannot deny 90% of the fight and statements establishing him leagues above Omega by something seemingly contradicting without solid proof . It's similar to Syn getting utterly bullied in every aspect by increased full power ssj4 Goku while being blind and still barely surviving what he thought would finish him , so either it is he surpasses expectations in terms of survival , or we have to say his durability really exceeds him by leagues .
10:00 False equivalence , Goku was utterly outclassed most of time in that fight , manging some rare instances of outreacting him by reflexes other than the dragonfist or implied similar result from final explosion . Golden ozaru baby said " super galick gun " while firing his beam on earth to destroy a section too , yet u cannot claim he had any incentive hence intention to destroy the full planet worth of possessed in the first place let alone failed to when the next time he uses it he threatens to destroy it with that if dodged it as he was all of the attacks earlier , making clear he wanted to make him desperate by attacking earth at all , again in scaling when Base GT Goku is already doing attacks destroying stuff beyond space and time then *accidently* shaking heaven and hell in base while apparently trying to teach Frieza and Cell how to use ki then having to stop powering up saying " oops maybe i went a little overboard " . Just the name of the attack doesn't mean they're putting anywhere near their all .
10:47 Being above space and time in their entirety or/and above binary oppositions like life and death at the same time is given the term " outerversal " in scaling . Again , best dbs has reached is somewhat scale to the above space and time with UI Goku shaking world of void , not even going against anything of the level of sugoroku space let alone do what Baby arc Base Goku did . Before we can even bring Super baby 2's RDB into the picture which in its first showing was stated to make Goku incapable of coming back to life , chased him to subspace from the living world and warped him to sugoroku space , before its bigger version was tanked by first Ssj4 Goku no effort .
11:30 It's actually not debatable at all but that it's not really all that popular to watch GT in recent times let alone remember info from the original subbed version even in the people who watched it years ago .
Cabba isn’t even a bad character just because he isn’t swollen like all the others doesn’t mean he’s a terrible character Dragon Ball fans just don’t know good writing if it was shoved in their face they don’t understand how Dragon Ball actually works
SSG & SS4 >> SS3
DBS & DBGT Goku flex on DBZ in base
Cabba > Post-SSG Base Goku > SSG > Failed SSG > Hypothetical BoG Vegito > Super Vegito > Pre-SS4 Base Goku (likely; might be stronger than Super Vegito too but things get sketch any higher up) > Pre-SSG SS3 Goku > Vegeta > Ultimate Gohan
A SS Cabba would basically be a BoG SSB Goku+, and he’s facing what’s effectively a Fusion Warrior whose base form is more than likely a magnitude or so above SS4 Goku which is to say, conceptually Cabba might be cooked despite how insane a boost SSG is numerically.
Feat-wise, it’s debatable-ish, but not really.
Like, there are arguments about base GT Goku by the Nueva Shenron fight being on SS4 Baby Arc+ levels of power. Which is why I laid things out the way I did.
GOGETA SLAMS!!! W VID!!! oh and omega was poluting/ destroying everything by just existing the negative energy ball is something more powerful, more like a hakai of sorts and gogeta ssj4 didn't show his full power since he probably just felxed on him with his ult, keep that in mind
Super has inconsistent scaling. The scaling is really bad. Also Let’s not act like GT wasn’t scaling down their attacks MASSIVELY so they wouldn’t destroy the universe, much less the planet.
SSJ4 Goku got cut by glass and was needed to lift a building
it's dragon ball
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GT Goku literally destroyed a dimension in Base form , not to mention that most of DBZ movies are Canon to GT
Cabba is not going past base GT Goku, let alone Gogeta
Also, if you think Goku is getting cut by a glass is a weakness , then SSB Goku got one shotted by an ordinary Ray gun
It's a good thing back on Namek there were no Frieza soldiers left , otherwise, they would have smoked Goku with Ray guns
@@blackice7050 ITS NOT THAT SERIOUS LMFAO
@xXSonTJXx
Bro, if it is not serious, then half the fandom wouldn't be arguing about it right now
Previous Strongest Fighter in existence vs. a skinny nobody
What a joke!
@@blackice7050 you didn’t watch the beginning of the video and just want to argue while body shaming
Good luck 👍🏾
This entire concept is a reverse psychology tactic.
Probably just to get views from the db community bro.
Obviously cabba is no match for ssj4gogeta,
Literally half of him, which would be goku or vegeta would beat cabba. Much less the fusion.
Kai-only scenes don't apply to Super. If Super was connected to Kai then Frieza would be in hell with the other villains.
It’s really funny that a lot of people will constantly complain about a ‘normal Saiyan’ being stronger than God Goku in BoG
Even though said Saiyan had evolved to not needing tails from a different Universe who could’ve gone through his own type of cosmic foes that we are unaware of (which is kinda the point since there could always be someone stronger even in other universes)
But yeah nah I agree with you good video, this is one of the funniest popular debates I’ve seen in a while
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Luckily I wasn’t there when that happened 😅 glad all yall are safe!
Ssj4 gogeta didn't show his full potential because of goku being unstable because he had been fighting non-stop ever since Super 17. He also stated that he was goofing around too much
Goku was refreshed before omega shenron was made
Yes that’s true but he did use his trump move against omega expecting it to kill and it didn’t
He knew about the regeneration because SSJ4 goku failed to kill omega due to regeneration too
Great video!
Idk I still think cabba wins lonk's takes bring some good points on why he does but we shall see in sparking zero
Hey I’m down for Cabba being definitively stronger lol I’m watching his video now
@@xXSonTJXx gotta say it's pretty funny how this meme came to be gotta love dragon ball
bro forgot about metal cooler feats...
Pretty decent video but I don't think you delve enough into scaling and you were consistently using salads scaling which he himself says is a low ball, and if you look at GT and all the perfect files what salad says Gogeta can do is a very low low ball, if I were to put kava against somebody in GT it would probably be against GT Goku without Super Saiyan 4 or 3, Gogeta should be around Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta squared if not stronger, your argument about Super Saiyan 4 gogeta's Big Bang Kamehameha not killing Omega Shenron only works if you don't take into consideration that Omega Shenron has high regeneration, literal Magic which is shown in Dragon Ball to be able to heal, the fact that Gogeta is not trying to destroy the Dragon Balls or the world so he has to hold back, and Gogeta obviously didn't put all his energy into it because he was able to do it again literally a few seconds later.
Like where was base cabba at when we was fighting buu and beerus showed up😂
I'm just joking but still like damn if he that strong like we need him on the team
Also, gogeta 4 stomps base cabba
Bro give Cabba SS3 and he stiill wouldn't last a minute aganist Gogeta
Also there is this dumb excuse of God ki being absorbed to base because if that was true then why Goku need to transform SS3 to spar with Future Trunks?
And Future Trunks is kinda Buu Saga level and he never fought any version of Buu which actually puts him off a little higher than Cell Saga Gohan
And why Vegeta needed to transform blue to spar with Future Trunks if he absorbed the God ki?
As you said DBZ hss different scaling than DBZ kai and GT is different continuity called the Toeiverse and yes it includes most if not all movies
Base GT Goku destroyed a dimension in the Baby Saga
He was shaking the entire Afterlife by transforming of SS3
He defeated DBZ Goku who destroyed South galaxy which is quarter of the microcoms in his suppressed SSJ with no god ki
In Fusion Reborn , he defeated Janemba, who was the embodiment as Gogeta an angel born in hell
SS4 Goku is a beast on his own
The blutz waves only makes the user 10,000 stronger and apply that to Great Ape 10 times and hypothetically 160 times increase then you get 1.6 billion Multiplyer to Baby Saga SS4 Goku
If we are taking statements to considerable then Elder Kai stated that Baby's Revenge Death Ball is so deadly that if it hits you then you wont come back from the death which is kinda similar to hakai and SS4 Goku tanked it like a boss
A lot of people tend to downplay GT for no reason at all bedides being dumb
I don't think Cabba is anywhere near Gogeta's level like not even remotely closed
He is
You're just assuming things that's like saying android 17 and gohan shouldn't be goku blue level because 17 fought poachers and gohan trained with piccolo for 1hr.
Db does this all the time.
Like krillin was about to be 1770 power level which is above radiz when he had less time to train as goku plus 5 year timeskip.
Plus trunks literally fought goku black (you know the guy who is stronger than the present self) and trunks said he was close to beating him but then he kept getting stronger. So yeah trunks is god level.
As for cabba he's definitely weaker than caulifla but we literally saw what she did against top goku who is at least 10x stronger than he was when he fought hit so they are definitely around That level.
I repeat goku and vegeta got at least 10x stronger than they were in the u6 arc so when vegeta said him and cabba are even that time it could be true but that's why vegeta didn't need to transform to fight frost and why base goku held his own against caulifla for a bit before she adapted
@@Eaj20 omega shenron still stronger then everyone on super and gogeta ssj4 is way stronger then him
This got seriously got out of control 😂😂😂. So what's next omega Shenron or ssj4 Goku and base Frieza or current base piccolo 😂😂😂😂
And yes buuhan is stronger than pure buu or kid buu
Current base Piccolo recks tbh LMFAO
@@xXSonTJXx Even Krillin or Yamcha 😂😂😂😂
@Paule-ek2en I wouldn't go that far but krillin could possibly be able to beat ssj2 gohan reason being gohan was able to take on lavender who was about majin vegeta level as his brother fought buu.
Then krillin does better than lavender surprising.
But the biggest evidence is that krillin fought a guy who made 18 nervous And even fought her for a bit before she kicked him, this 18 is super strong to the point she was doing things base goku couldn't with the pride troopers and ribrian who got so much hype.
So who knows.
I remember seth made a video on it
dragon ball power scaling makes 0 sense but for some reason kids take it seriously to the point of d0xing (there were some cases💀) and when you look at the scaling yk they show the franchise on youtube shorts
gt scalers claim that the movies and z filler are canon to gt wich they are not they cant even fit into the gt timeline, super scalers claim that xeno, cc and heroes are all canon (i have heard some unironically say kakarot is more canon than the actual dragon ball manga)
then the scales go sth like "goku outerversal boundless" meanwhile gt goku gets damaged by glass and super goku by bullets 💀
Fillers are canon (Akira said so)
DBZ Kakarot is canon (Akira said so)
@@onyx6774 toriyama never said so for any of the 2 and even if he did they contradict the source material
@@argy7526 He did...unfortunaly i cant post images here so you need to look them for yourself.
Akira stated that Kakarot has extra stuff that the manga didnt touch upon.
He also stated he approved of the anime Fillers and they are canon to the manga.
@@onyx6774 idk where you heard it but at least i cant find anything on him saying filler or kakarot are canon that doesnt come from reddit or other sites like that and considering that the fandom is known for putting words on toriyama's mouth i wouldnt trust them at all
@@argy7526 There are interviews. In the extra page of the physical manga Akira talks about filler in the anime TV as well.
And the official DB site talks about kakarot or pretty much everywhere kakarot was advertised even news outlets talks about it and even show Akiras statement about it.
Gogeta ssj4 if he wanted to can actually increase his big bang kamehameha x200 x300 and finally x1000 as shown that he could do that in db legends omega was just so weak he didn’t need to do that but a 100 percent full power gogeta ssj4 would not only do dragon fist but he would do several dragon fist he would do afterimage x100 kamehameha he would do soul punishers solar flare x10 kamehameha x1000 solar flares blinding the entire galaxy super ki explosions that destroy most of the universe going full power gogeta ssj4 and last but not least a final explosion x10 x20 x300 which would destroy his universe cabba universe and break both dimensions transforming into a ssj5 gogeta which is the main reason gogeta ssj5 can’t be allowed to go all out at the beginning of the battle because that would escalate into him being able ti break his limits and transform into gogeta ssj5 destroying everything in the process
that's video games not canon
Yea and neither is db gt
@@Litavin this is a false equivalent, GT has it's own canon
Just because the videos games and GT are considered uncanon doesn't mean you can mix them
And since db gt is noncanon and the game is nonconcanon they go well together just like with all the movies and it’s because of that reason we will never get to see gogeta ssj4 full power form let alone his full power and abilities but when gogeta ssj4 is made in db legends his stare almost breaks the 4th wall and crakes it on some arale type s and i though that it was just the game that was trying to make him look stronger than normal but he actually did that in the anime when he was formed i don’t care what happenes cabba’t power not cracking the dimension completly breaking it with a glares and the reason why im using game feats like db legends or feats in xenoverse 2 were he’s casually able to stand up unfaze by any attack like 👍 n xenoverse 2 and the reason why im using games to show his feats is because the same reason sonic games use sonic feats in his death battles or feats like n since they stop making gt will never get to see what his full powered ssj4 or his full power look like because people always lowball anime characters feats similar to like how back in the day people would say krillin would beat opm Saitame beacause they didn’t show his full potential or power now they show half of what he’s capable of with him punching through time and everything and it got people feeling very stupid saying krillin would beat opm Saitame knowing he’s never op anything ever before I just feel like with gogeta ssj4 if they showed more of his feats and power i feel like this base form cabba vs gogeta ssj4 would be just like how it was for a long with Saitame opm vs krillin that’s why they should have shown us more dbgt or made a movie showing a villian that makes him use his full power because people now know krillin not beating one punch man Saitame so they went back to comparing him with mui goku and honestly I think it would be the same way vs gogeta ssj4 vs cabba it would be a good fight at first just like time it was with opm Saitame vs krillin was but just like how it would be with them with Saitame strength at first not beating krillin then it all of a sudden starts to become way to much as more and more time pass by it would be the same way with gogeta ssj4 vs base for m cabba or even his other states gogeta ssj4 will just get stronger as he fights adapting getting stronger showing more skill more abilities different fighting styles and cabba not gone be able to keep up regardless of what form he’s using he would ultimately get eitheir disrespected in the end or embarrassed then knowing how people are they would see how broken his abilities are from the movies gogeta having all noncanon movie characters options that’s right even goku feats vs broly non canon original movie feats and how broken his skill is and like with mui goku vs Saitame they would go right back to trying to compare gogeta ssj4 to gogeta ssb and or vegito blue
And also the only reason I mix them is because I don’t know about xenoverse 2 but yea including that game and db legends all they attacks are based soly off the anime and are anime accurate to the T attacks workin exactly how they do in anime that’s right every hit and honestly to a degree so his db fighter z honestly seems nice we don’t know gogeta ssj4 full power he might actually do something more worst than a 1000xbig bang kamehameha like with how skilled he is and experienced I wouldn’t be surprised if he did a soul punisher shield making his body itself become a soul punisher and changing slightly being his full power being able to do rapid attacks while surround with energy that could harm your very soul wait?uh oh I might have just found a way he could compete with mui goku and or ultra ego vegeta lol😂🤣🤣the skill level of gogeta ssj4 is really quite frightening
I desigree with kai or original z being canon to super since the official stance is that it's based off of the original source material in a sequel to the buu arc and I also heavily disagree with just saying that even if it were working in the sky that then booze feet are somehow Cannon to super and even the dragon Ball super starter guide makes it clear the other world tournament took place in the not super
Also I don't like just trying to say rildo is stronger than boo because they surpass do well before that Arc and it ignores her contacts as to why Goku would be acknowledging that this guy is more powerful than him
My last thing regardless of disagreement on the outcome of the video is when it comes 2 gogeta's Big bang Kamehameha he does not realize that he's running out of power with the fusion timer and at that point thinks he's stronger than he is even though he's down to his very last
So when goku turn ssjb against golden freeza,did he skip all the transformations and went straight to blue or did he turn ssj but turned into blue in the process?
Im so damn confused
he skipped to blue, same reason he used all his forms against to jiren before going blue
he always could have
Its a really simple solution
gt with movie scaling and original z added to it
Gogeta In base would fodderize super (besides the deities) up until the tournament of power
and even then with the feat of metal cooler outspeeding even Instant transmission gogetas speed would be far above that of even someone like granhola who needed an entire wish just to surpass that, even tho In gt's canon metal cooler someone so much weaker than gogeta matches that speed.
if you wanna really try hard and say "none of that makes sense how can movies be apart of gt" blablabla
then gogeta loses (he loses if you nerf him In his own show congrats)
the funny part is battle of gods thanks to the toei timeline is canon to gt (bog the movie) so you could argue base gt goku already has the ssg boost lol.
either way its not that serious, its a goofy meme not funny In the slightest, this is worse than "can he beat goku" garbage
Movie can't even fit in GT, as the Movies themselves contradict each other.
@@TakeshiInazuma doesnt matter as gt itself doesn't make sense.
Gt isn't canon for a reason
@sonTJ Question If DBZ and the DBZ movies are canon to DBGT then what about the DBZ movies Battle of Gods and Resurrection of Frieza are they canon to DBGT or are they in a different Catergory?
Different category
Yeah, it is funny
I never understood this "you cant scale Super using Z anymore" where did this come from LOL. Where did he get this from? Even then Power correlates to speed in DB so, Cabba would still have infinite speed thanks to the shockwaves.
The best Feat Gogeta did was when he Kicked Omega Shenlong Mines Energy Ball it was going to destroy the universe HOWEVER its was overtime, Omega was basically doing what that green dragon was doing but of course on a higher scale.
Meanwhile in Battle of Gods God Goku was going to destroy the entire Macrocosm and even the Kaioshin Realm that is outside of it with a punch, And Goku didnt even want to do it.
Base Cabba wins.
super fanboys forget goku needed ssj2 to fight trunks
Hey, you are right
If the whole god ki absorbed to base bullshit of an excuse was actually the case, then Goku wouldn't need to transform to SS3 against Future Trunks, who is considered a Buu Saga level of strength or similar
@@lokihaze9286bruh that’s anime filler aka non canon
@@blackice7050 exactly
@@lokihaze9286I don’t get this argument because that same trunks was able to fight rose goku black and future zamasu before unlocking rage
@xXSonTJXx it was a 3v2 ofc he kept up and they were toying with them because they knew they could potara fusion into merged zamasu but we also saw base goku keep up with caulifua in the top until he was forced to go ssj2 so it wouldn't have mattered trunks was still not nearly enough to make a difference
Cabba does not have infinite speed. If he did, why did Gas, someone who is much stronger than Cabba, take 20 minutes to travel across the universe?
Its just Dragon Ball inconsistencies
GT is universal but SSJ4 Goku struggles with pushing up a building and getting cut by glass
We can all nitpick here
Even though Saitama is Massivaly faster than Light why does he always arrives late? This nitpick works on anything.
@@xXSonTJXx GT Goku is also able to come back to life off of will power alone in the Bojack movie. The Bojack movie is canon in the GT series, due to him appearing in fusion reborn. Fusion reborn is canon because When using fusion in GT, Goku and Vegeta allude to them using the technique together a long time ago.
base cabba could probbaly solo gt
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this is a joke
SSJ1 Cabba definitely solos GT lol
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