Been through the exact same thing. Guy shot warning shots and said we were trespassing and he owned the arm of the lake we fished on. Ha... I called the police and the game warden. He lost the argument and got a ticket for threatening us. We did press charges and he eventually was hauled away in cuffs.
@@halfknight2310 On that note, there's a disturbing amount of these sort of altercations against fishermen. If anyone wants to make the case against gun ownership it's interactions like these. Young men, going out fishing, decked out in geeky fishing gear, just talking about what a beautiful day it is and life in general and some land baron confronts them and pulling out a gun in less than a minute. I would understand if it was a sketchy looking person with no fishing gear and no reason to be walking around wooded areas but cmon. And the excuse is always the same, "Things have been going missing around here!" Oh yeah? Jerks.
The Supreme Court ruled that navigable water ways existed before land owner ship. So the right the navigate water way is protected by the constitution. So you can own the property around the river but not the water its self
@@sbeckstead In Texas you can be in the river in any manner or walk along the side of the river, and it wouldn't matter if the land owner's deed includes part of the river. I'm not sure if it is the same in Illinois though.
@@sbeckstead Actually the laws allow for a certain encroachment accessible to the public next to all bodies of water that are considered public waterways. so they can be traveling along the banks NOT in the water and it's completely legal. Similar to how you only own the property up and to the power lines the easement in front of your house is owned by the states/cities which is the public.
I know that creek and I took my 6 year old daughter out there. Never saw the sign but I'm glad that lunatic wasn't around to scare her to death over some harmless fishing.
@@Veritas-dq2hs Yeah cause Colombian didnt happen right ? What about all the shooting here in America. What about the cops killing blacks for"self defense". See how your point becomes shit
This happened to me. A guy threatened me and my brother while fishing with a shotgun. We called the cops and the game warden hauled him off. We pressed charges and testified at trial. He ended up with 4 yrs for felonious assault.
That's exactly what needs to be done. No reason for people to go off the deep end and behave as that guy did and it's against the law as "that guy" found out the hard way. Now he is being butt-loved in prison for being stupid.
It's so easy to be reasonable, if he had just been like "Hey guys, you're fishing a little close to my property, could you move back a little bit" or something similar it would be such a different scenario.
The land owner stated there was a no trespassing sign. In some states you can own the land under the water. But in most states major rivers and lakes are owned by the Core if Engineers.
No one owns the water, land rights vs land taxed. A persons land is valuable because the have 'access' to water, no one owns that water. Many idiots have been sued by the govt after they 'improve' a river and didn't get permission.
@@willrogers1023 The laws apply to every state it is not state by state, what is state by state is what is determined navigable water and for fishing. Even if you do own the lander under the water you cannot prevent someone from traveling down it which includes walking.
If the sign said trespassers will be shot on sight, a lawyer told me this day and age a sign like this can be used in court for premeditation to commit murder. The sign is legal to detour but it is not legal to actually shot someone unless in self defense.
@Are You Serious “Navigable waters” is the standard, along w high water mark, because it’s treated as a road. Lakes & ponds it depends if they are connected to navigable waters. If not, they are often private, unless the state has interest. Within the last decade, per Agenda 21, states made claim to all water unless the people filed claim, thus the corporation (state) has claimed ownership of all water, including that which falls from the sky. Something that no corporate entity can actually own unless there is some group that can own the air, water & soil of the earth, which there is none, unless the people allow it. On top of that, there is the interpretations which rely on politicians & judiciary & govt servants acting like kings.
the State and Federal laws tend to clash sometimes. But generally sounds like something that should be considered federal. I'm not a lawyer though. So just play it safe and don't trespass. You can find yourself in areas that are questionable when following watersheds and creeks. But in all, nobody owns the water besides for the state (or other states if they own water rights to the water in neighboring states).
That’s why I always carry a gun when I’m out at places fishing like that. But that guy should have had the police called on him for that. Any responsible Gun owner Knows you don’t do crap like that . You can’t just pull up and fire shots!
This reminded me off the time my dad and I met in Missouri, I wasn't living here at the time, and we went to bass pro and bought fly fishing stuff and spent the weekend fly fishing. I'll never forget that trip for the rest of my life. This video is really awesome and even though I don't know you personally, it's awesome that you get to spend time fishing with your dad. Take care and stay safe!!
@@MrTangent I currently live in Forsyth MO, it's about 20 miles from Branson, and about 45 miles from Springfield. Springfield is where I met my dad to fish during the time I'm referring to.
I was on a public walking path when unbeknownst to me it turned to private property. I had already turned around and was (three feet from the property line). The owner came out hollering at me, chest bumped me, pushed me down, and kicked my dog. He was arrested. Private property does not give anyone the right to assault another.
@@doubledoublecapncrunch8306 most rivers are not owned. They are "navigable waterways", and belong to the public from high water mark to high water mark.
charged for what?....i own land and i shoot guns on my land.....if people tresspass on my land they might be in danger......go ahead call the cops on yourself for tresspass on private prop.
@@rickricky5626 assault. Also discharging a firearm within 100 yards of a roadway (if he was that close). Trespassing not being enforceable with a warning.
First time seeing any of your videos so I don't know your personality...but big ups to you for keeping a cool head and just walking away...no shouting matches, posturing, gestures or anything.
You handled that a lot better than I would have. And you are correct, as long as you are physically in the water you are breaking no laws. Still sometimes being the bigger person is the better option. Looks like you and your dad had a great time regardless. That's what matters 👍
Wrong. In Illinois this is indeed trespassing. But you can't have property owners post signs threatening to shoot trespassers. That person is going to have that sign used against them in court one day should they ever do that.
Had the same thing happened to us as canoeing down the river. People shot warning shots we answered with about 15-20 rounds in the air and the crap stopped. Rest of the three-day canoe trip was great.
Here in Texas, as long as you are within the high water mark, you are on public property. People cannot own any section of a body of water that isn't completely enclosed within their property.
Agreed... However there is this one spot that defines all the laws. It amazes me that they are allowed to do it to. There is a lake with a river that runs through... The river does not start and stop on his land .. goes through several cities.... However he is allowed to have a damn fence stopping people from going through. From the top of the water it is like o Two by two inch wire but below the water he has verrrrrry small wire... Not to allow fish to pass through. All of this is illegal.... But somehow he gets by with it. I've called the game Warden several times throughout the decades but nothing has ever been done about it. I don't understand why and how he gets by with it. Yes Texas.
False You can be on his land and have dinner at his house and tuck his kids into bed as long as you approach from someone else's property that ownes a ferret and a hamster if it's on a Tuesday after 1400. You must be wearing a gorilla suit though.
@@blackwingdragonmasta Oh ok, I haven't read the law for here in NC in about 20 years, I need to recheck but as of 99 or so I could put a kayak in or walk in a creek that ran through someones private property. This is how I used to access alot of ponds lakes and swamps to fish.
I'm from Ohio and do a lot of creek and river wading fishing. The law in Ohio is if you're in any kind of "boat" you're not trespassing. but once you step out and touch the bottom that's trespassing. I've never had an issue wading a body of water with some ass hole. tell me I'm trespassing...lol
In Ohio the water belongs to the state but the land underneath belongs to the property owner UNLESS it is a navigable waterway or if the land on either bank is owned by the state.
@@zubrickadvisors6742 Not in Ohio. If you touch the bottom of even a navigable river, you may be trespassing. The water itself is public, float all you want. Stand on the ground or even anchor and you could be in trouble.
In NM there are some well-known trout streams that run through private land. The landowners can't prevent you from wading up the stream, but if you're walking on the bank alongside the stream, then they can get you for trespassing. There are flyfishing books that spell out where to legally enter and exit the streams, and where you have to stay in the water.
San Juan River. Weekends some owners come out to look menacingly at folks in the river. I fish every weekend. I carry a gun, every day. I mean, up in these lands, everyone does.
@@AccDeleted1 I mean fly fishing is an art that I do not have any skill with. I use a 35$ ugly stick a floater and a worm and never get my feet wet. They can be snobby. Give me the nasty looks.
I didn't see them run so what did you want them to do? Start a fight or shooting, shouting match? Yeh that would've showed them... Use your brain. You probably engage in road rage too. How tough are you lol.
In Missouri you can go on a bout but if you touch the ground you're trespassing even walking in the river. I know right of way on the river is a myth. You stand up in the water you're trespassing. Maybe not all states. look it up
I always regret not going fishing the last few times my dad asked me to go I was a teenager and too busy with friends and nonsense at the time now I can’t go with him
Was thinking the same thing, either that or the guy is a massive lunatic male karen. I understand protecting your property but you don't own a river ect. That's like shooting someone cause they are breathing the same air as you, you own the lungs inside your bod but don't own the freaking air.
It all depends on how you access the river. If you enter at a public location, like a bridge, you are legal. However, if you cross private property without permission, then you have trespassed.
Indiana rivers that have been designated by statute as "navigable" are open to paddlers. “Navigable” rivers and their river beds are held in trust by the State of Indiana and can be used by the public. On streams that don’t have a navigable designation, the bed remains in private ownership, but the public may use the surface of the stream for paddling. The traditional law of navigability in Indiana says that a river is navigable if it could have been employed for commercial boat traffic when Indiana became a state in 1816. Keep in mind that the banks of all rivers in Indiana should be considered private property. Only a very small part of the riverbanks in Indiana are in public ownership. Please do not trespass on private property. Riverbanks are designated by the ordinary high watermark (defined by 312 IAC 1-1-26(1)). When on the river, the Ordinary High Watermark (OHM) is generally easy to see and should be used as the boundary between private land and the streambed on navigable rivers.
Fished this canyon area hundreds of times in Northern Illinois! Great for trout & smallies! A portion of the stream is owned by the DNR as they stock it in the spring! There are portions privately owned marked with signs! Not sure who the Karen might be!
Come to Finland! Here you can fish anywhere you like if you just pay the permit what is collected to take care of the environment, lakes and the fish. You can collect berries and mushrooms where ever you like if you dont walk closer than 150 meters from housing. The land owners here dont really own the land or the lakes or the rivers its for everybody to enjoy. Landowners got the right to cut wood from the forest but they must plant samplings after they cut full grown trees on their forest. We keep our nature healthy and people too. No man should own the nature. We also dont shoot people or call police while they are fishing or enjoying their day.
I think you’re right. At least here in Georgia. As long as you don’t get on the bank your legal. I think I would have called the law and at least reported him for shooting at me. Might save someone else.
I was just in North GA and was told they own the river bottom so no you're not legal. Many signs were marking property with threats of arrest if crossing those lines while in the river. In TX and MT you can walk a river if accessed via public land but stay in the river.
@@jpmorel3286 TX, you can access it by boat if it is a navigable water way. Not all water ways are considered such, and may be considered private property. If you have to portage a canoe or kayak in normal conditions, even a short distance, it may not be public.
In Ohio : The waters of Ohio’s public waterways (streams and rivers) belong to the state of Ohio, however, the land beneath the water belongs to the landowner(s) on either side of the stream, whether owned publicly or privately. A stream is considered navigable if it is open for navigation to the end and considered navigable even if some obstacles or natural debris is present. In situations of incidental use, such as taking breaks or wading, it is important that boaters understand that they may be trespassing when they leave their watercraft and access the stream bank or bottom of the stream. Prior permission may be necessary. It’s best to plan ahead or use public access areas or public land to leave your boat. There are times when it may be necessary to leave the boat, such as the need to portage around an obstacle or wade thru a stream due to debris. This usage is permissible, but boaters are encouraged to do so quickly and respectfully (don’t leave trash, don’t venture far from shore).
in Wisconsin we have the 'keep your feet wet' clause for rivers and streams, ie so long as your feet are in the stream, you're on public stream/land. And you're allowed to briefly use the shore to only move around a very deep area or an area that is blocked. (say a big tree fell across the stream and you really don't want to climb over it or swim under it or you hit a deep pocket thats over your waders or will require you to swim to cross, you can get to shore and move around the tree /deep hole to the other side. )
False You can be on his land and have dinner at his house and tuck his kids into bed as long as you approach from someone else's property that ownes a ferret and a hamster if it's on a Tuesday after 1400. You must be wearing a gorilla suit though.
@@creekhopper3153 Nah, the laws are different. Maybe similar in some ways but absolutely different. A stream in Illinois is consider navigable specifically if barge traffic or boats can travel the waterway which this stream isn't going to cut it. Kayaks and rowboats don't meet the definition of what is considered a boat for such travel. In Wisconsin there is none of this "own the riverbed" bs on navigable waterways. They have something called the state's public trust doctrine. One of those places where if your feet are in the water, you're not trespassing but if you're on the shore it is possible you are. 50 states, 50 different laws. A complicated mess. One thing for certain in these states - You cannot kill trespassers legally if they aren't a threat to you. This isn't castle doctrine where someone is entering your domicile where their mere presence is viewed as a threat, this is outdoor space.
if you accessed the river thru a legal place, and kept walking IN the river. you arent trespassing. also shooting "warning shot" or whatever is considered threatening somebody with a weapon and i am pretty sure its jail time.
Great way to spend a day. If I had a dollar for every hour my dad and I spent wading the creeks and rivers here in Indiana, I would be rich. But, I am even richer by having all the memories. I cant drive across a creek or river, or by a lake without thinking of dear ole dad. I miss him daily. That is a nice looking creek, they always say, "fish lives in beautiful places." Thanks for sharing the video.
Saying you own a river or parts of a river that that begins in the mountains and exits into the sea hundreds of miles later and supports hundreds of freely roaming types of life is like saying I own the piece of SKY above my house.
A good rule of thumb is if a boat or floating device is ok on the river, its considered "navigable" and property rights go to the high water mark and no farther. The only rivers I've ever fished where property rights went to mid stream were "non navigable" .
Snakes don't hate, they don't have the capability to feel emotions (no limbic system). They just want left alone. Stay out of strike range and leave them be and there will be nothing to worry about. A lot of what people think is "chasing" is them just trying to get past you because they know there's a place to hide and you're in between it. Water snakes sometimes will come up and investigate because they eat fish, they can smell the stressed, wounded fish, easy meal. They don't want to bite or attack you though. Always remember you're in their home, you'd be upset/scared if some giant stranger came stomping through your house randomly too 🤷🏻♀️ You don't have to like them, just respect their place in nature and leave them where they lie, just walk around them.
@@william9922 ok, that is understandable, but you could put no trespassing signs, trail cams with motion censors and with audio recordings to make them think your there, and if your wealthy, hire night property guards, it doesn’t have to be right down to guns and violence the second it happens
This is the America we live in.. It's sad.. I've fished for 44 year's now.. It's so peaceful .. And nowadays the Karen's and kens want to kill us for fishing.. I carry a pocket pistol 38 over under at all time's..
you can legally float through someone's property without trespassing but as soon as your foot touches the bottom or the bank its trespassing. I own land and cant see why you would be upset with outdoorsmen fishing as long as they are not leaving a mess or damaging the property.
@@someotherdude I didn’t say the guy did the right thing by any means. Discharging the weapon was stupid and he’s an idiot. I was saying when that bullet comes your way, there is no mistaking it.
That is absolutely for sure!! “Shot at” was a bit of click bait. Shots fired while we were fishing would have been accurate. I too have been shot at with a shot gun and it was so close the bird shot hit me, so I didn’t make any mistake about the definition, but neither did he cause I shot back... kinda like a barking dog, if you run he’ll chase ya. I didn’t run and he quit shooting after about 3 volleys and backed away and so did I. No words were even spoken, never knew who the guy was or anything. But I was squirrel hunting on public land in Texas back in the 70’s.
In my state this would absolutely be trespassing. You can float a boat on "navigable waters" but if you touch the bottom or the shore you are trespassing. Be careful out there, laws vary by state.
Those riverbed trespassing states are laughable. It is to obviously harass public access from these waterways unless they're on a boat or fully in the river. You can kayak in 3 feet of water and be ok, but god forbid you are standing there in the same exact spot. That's some silly nonsense. But that's government for you!
Check your navigable water laws. Make sure the waters and the ground up to the high-water mark is public. It can vary a bit state to state but I work for the DEPT of Natural Resources in another state and land owners can face criminal charges for fisher and hunter harassment.
It's because most fishermen don't shoot back. If someone had returned fire with effective shot placement the land owner wouldn't be shooting at anyone anymore and the local news would let all the other land owners know that if you shoot at someone, they are allowed to shoot back. But, fishermen are nice.
I remember looking for houses in Colorado a few years ago. It is indeed legal to own a creek or body of water of some sort. If you think about it in government terms, a country owns jurisdiction of certain waters. It can apply to acres of land, or in this case, bodies of water. This is my own speculation. I've lived in Alaska, so I have have basic knowledge of how it could work. Meaning lots and lots of lakes. You could take a look at the map of Alaska. People own C-Planes, and they take off from water pretty often. It would be no surprise that any one individual could own bodies of water. I'm really into real estate and houses, so I understand the concept of owning that type of genre. Anyone could correct me if I'm wrong tho. There are housing regulations and many different foundations and higher ups who facilitate and make sure anything involving the ownership of some sort of body of water is kept clean (although Americans suck...). It's like that guy who comes to your house and says your fence is too freaking high for some reason. And in no way am I condoning shooting at a fellow before making yourself known and if the trespasser is not an obvious threat to their land. Fishing is supposed to be peaceful man... these guys could have approached differently.
Where I live you own to the center of the creek, not sure about larger bodies of water sorry but this is very true, it shouldn't be like this , but how else can it be if the body of water is on someone's property? However we have to remember the kind of society we live in today, its near impossible to fish or hunt anywhere anymore, because of liability, too many home owners are liable if their is an injury sad to say, but just look up the laws , have proper paperwork, ask permission if need be, keep your cool (if possible) and stay in deep water. Try not to leave your boat if you can help it, I think my best advice is to stay away from any land where there are a lot of houses , hope this helps, btw im on the fishermen's side😉
@@cjsadman3750 as for the larger bodies of water, if you think about it in terms of owning land like the both of us had said, then take for instance those who own Lake Resorts. Camps started by families who turned their Lake house into some sort of luxury resort over the course of several years warrants that they own that body of water. There's only the regulations that are in place. That's why most fishing places are owned by the public, and if you fish in a private area, you usually have jurisdiction for it.
Different kind of concept, but same could apply in this case of fishing, when you own a beach side residency and that lot has its own deep end dock for fishing. I don't think you can own the ocean.... but maybe you can own the land surrounding the docks.
Is it alright if I ask where this was at? I absolutely love the limestone and shale cliffs next to you. I'm wondering if you're somewhere in the Tennessee/Kentucky area based on the foliage and geology. Also, everything below the high water mark is usually public access land even if it runs through private land. If you're in any state that's not Arizona or West Virginia you're perfectly legal to wade the rivers and fish. You could've gotten that dude on some pretty serious charges for negligently discharging a firearm like that. Property laws and trespass laws are one of the major things I discuss in my defensive pistol/rifle courses.
If that moron would have encountered me he would be dead right now. I would have defended myself accordingly! He had no excuse to shoot at you. None. You can't just shoot trespassers. Not if they are simply fishing or anything else that isn't harming anyone or anything. That enrages me!
Had the same issue with, of all people, Ted Turner. Fishing in North Georgia. We enter a river at a public area close to 20 years ago. I have some moron trying to cut my line when I hook into a huge trout. Still land the trout and get some pics. Says he is calling game wardens, we said go ahead. We asked sheriff if we are allowed to fish there due to signs we saw hanging across the river. Walk back down to where we walked in to have Ted Turner there yelling at us. Speak with game wardens. Advise we spoke to sheriff at their office who said we could. They gave us a ticket stating they wouldn't have but it was Ted Turner there complaining. He was at the lodge or close by when this all occured. 3 kids, just trying to fish. The Game wardens pointed to the fishing regulations and one line saying it is on you to know whether you need to seek permission to fish there and that they can close it down to Public if not navigatible. I advised them I could get a kayak or boat through there and the only reason it may not be navigatable is due to changes made. It's is big money maker in North GA. People paying thousands to fly fish rivers made into fish tanks with trophy trout. It's pathetic. They have barriers made to keep trout in areas the further upstream you go. Less than 100 dollar ticket.
Better understand the GA law. Mr. Turner can own both sides of the river and the riverbed. He can't own the water that flows through it, or the fish that freely swim in it, so you can do your kayak thing, just can't anchor on his riverbed or pull up on the bank without his permission.
This is the second Deliverance comment I've seen today 😂🤣 I can't believe that movie is still so relevant. I trout fish where that movie was filmed. And the banjo boy is still alive and works at Walmart.
Rooster tails are the best for me to start with but the biggest stream trout I caught was on a little camo colored flat fish from the early 1960's I still have it in the tackle box it was a gift from grandpa.
Next time shoot back. He knew you were fishing and his life was not threatened. You have a right to protect yourself too. People like that are just power hungry and need to be taught a life lesson.
It is not worth getting killed or killing over a fishing spot. Don't get me wrong the guy was a douche but guns, anger, and a power hungry idiot will always lead to a bad outcome.
in Illinois if you access a body of water in a boat from public land or some place you have permission you may go anywhere on that body of water if your in a boat. if your wadding you cant, the land owner does not own the water but he does own the land beneath. you cant touch the land
Depends on where you are depends on state laws. Some places you can own the river it’s your land, other places as long as you are in the river you aren’t trespassing.
Here in California, a man legally owns 99 trees 🌲 of Marijuana a kid jumper over to steal his trees he literally shot him with a gun behind his back died later , the home owner gets 25 years prison 😩
Not gonna lie I never got into fishing but I’ve been enjoying a lot of these videos recently. I ride Bmx and have found a lot of similarities between Bmx and fishing. Crazy how anti fun people are but love the content keep it up
@@GlitchTheDeer he got the hands 😂😂. I offered him nicely to leave. He left with one boot on and in a quickness lol his firearm was well. A little smashed up when he walked out of there
@Mark Berenger you think that "most people" would shoot someone over fishing a river? Sounds like you're the one living behind a computer and who doesn't know jack about the real-world
His property starts at the natural high water mark. so wherever the bank is, that is his property. The gravel beds that are part of the natural flowage are part of the waterway.
there's a section of river in my state where landowners claim a Crown Right and prevent fishing. Yes. a land deed from King George II (obviously pre-Virginia). Highly disputed thing where no wading, anchoring or fishing is allowed on that stretch.
This last year me and a buddy were spotlighted and shot at on the Willamette Greenway at 1AM. It was a designated water trail camping area(island)that's across from farmland. It's unfortunate that people just can't be cordial with each other.
This is why its a good idea if you are a responsible person and have if you don't live with anybody who has mental illness or is predisposed, to be trained with and carry a firearm. Obviously only use it when absolutely necessary or if your in water moccasin country.
@@dj13579100 I agree, but it's not always the case. In Idaho, you can be within the high water mark while on private property. In Utah, you're only allowed to float with the flow of the river, no touching bottom, anchoring, or using a motor on private property. I think that if people don't allow fishing on their land, they should not get stocked by state hatcheries or programs. They should have to pay for fish to be stocked.
Why don't you report this dude, and the shooting. I have never heard of anybody, owning a RIVER and not having the Property Postings stating, "PRIVATE PROPERTY" all over the whole river area. At least check into it, he's probably has done this before, got away with it for so long, that NO ONE THOUGHT OF CHECKING OUT HIS STORY. A LEAST LET THE POLICE KNOW OF A DUDE SHOOTING!!
I just go by the parcel maps and most streams become ownerless once they reach ~20M in width, I still don't leave the bank-full mark anyways. Recently had a gun range ricochet land 5 feet from our boat on a more than public river with boat ramps, soooo that was fun haha.
In Tennessee it depends on your ability or, the depth of your pockets, to take someone to court and let a local judge decide. The law says you can fish, but old deeds say the land owner owns the waterway. The TWRA knows to stay out of the argument, so they say "ask permission of the land owner". So unless you know the local judge your chances are slim that your expensive lawyer is going to win any thing in your favor. If that isn't a correct summarization of a similar situation in Tennessee. I like to hear a truer one.
i'm no legal expert, but everything I've been told on this matter is that water is state or federal property, and private property only extends to the shore. So as long as you aren't on the land around the water you cant be trespassing.
Water ways can be private Example it must be navigable waterway if not and they own the property and water . not a pond or man made lake they are private property
You have to be able to Access the waterway from a public point and be able to Navigate it with getting out on the banks . Other words if you have to get out your boat and pull it or something like It will be Deemed none Navigator and the owner of the property owns the water from what I get .
I think the law says-if you step foot on dry land it’s private property. In Montana the officers told us you CANNOT step on dry land you have to be in the river as long as your going through private property.
If a creek runs through your property you can not prevent people going down the creek, but they can not drop anchor if they are floating in a boat of some type. This goes for walking in the water as well. creek bed = land.
I don't live in Illinois, but If I'm not mistaken, private property laws apply to the ground under a waterway or river, but not the waterway or river itself. Such as floating a river is legal where it crosses private property, but if you stand or walk on the bottom, then you are trespassing. At least in the state I live in. Similar to a public roadway across private property, You are legal if you stay on the roadway.
In many states like Tennessee the water itself is State Public Property but the land underneath it is private property. The second you get out of a boat, canoe, or tube and stand on the Creek floor or shore you're trespassing on private property.
I remember an incident here in Michigan where a land owner decided to fire "warning shots" at a teenage boy fishing in the river. His father was further upstream. He heard the shots, came back to where his son was fishing, pulled his .45 and killed the land owner. Teenage boy was fishing legally. The boys father did jail time for 2 felonies. Landowner went to the morgue. Lesson : when you pull a gun and fire "warning shots" you may very well draw return fire. THINK ABOUT THE POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES BEFORE YOU DECIDE TO TAKE THE LAW INTO YOUR OWN HANDS
Been through the exact same thing. Guy shot warning shots and said we were trespassing and he owned the arm of the lake we fished on. Ha... I called the police and the game warden. He lost the argument and got a ticket for threatening us. We did press charges and he eventually was hauled away in cuffs.
nice, glad he got what he deserved. who the hell shoots at someone for fishing?
@@halfknight2310 On that note, there's a disturbing amount of these sort of altercations against fishermen. If anyone wants to make the case against gun ownership it's interactions like these. Young men, going out fishing, decked out in geeky fishing gear, just talking about what a beautiful day it is and life in general and some land baron confronts them and pulling out a gun in less than a minute. I would understand if it was a sketchy looking person with no fishing gear and no reason to be walking around wooded areas but cmon. And the excuse is always the same, "Things have been going missing around here!" Oh yeah? Jerks.
How much did it end up costing you to press chargers and see it through?
Good!
@@gr4yf0x1983 is not an argument for gun control.
The Supreme Court ruled that navigable water ways existed before land owner ship. So the right the navigate water way is protected by the constitution. So you can own the property around the river but not the water its self
If you can float a boat on the water you are correct but if your feet touch the land you are trespassing.
They weren't in the water; that's the issue. You can own land under the river but not the water
@@sbeckstead In Texas you can be in the river in any manner or walk along the side of the river, and it wouldn't matter if the land owner's deed includes part of the river. I'm not sure if it is the same in Illinois though.
@@sbeckstead Nope, you can walk on the land up to the high water mark.
@@sbeckstead Actually the laws allow for a certain encroachment accessible to the public next to all bodies of water that are considered public waterways. so they can be traveling along the banks NOT in the water and it's completely legal. Similar to how you only own the property up and to the power lines the easement in front of your house is owned by the states/cities which is the public.
No mater the price to go fishing spending time fishing with your dad priceless
I miss those days!
yes... yes.. it is
Net week son. Friday to Saturday. Hitting the north streams!! Me and pops
Facts
I agree sadly my dad has gone to that great river in the sky
I know that creek and I took my 6 year old daughter out there. Never saw the sign but I'm glad that lunatic wasn't around to scare her to death over some harmless fishing.
I shoot. Right back at the fool ( s ) that think they or he owns the waterway.
I pity the fool( s) that threaten anyone ...
@Arnstero Caballero maybe, but fishing is still safer than walking down the sidewalk in St Louis.
@Arnstero Caballero yea because shooting in latin america doesn't ever happen
@@Veritas-dq2hs Yeah cause Colombian didnt happen right ? What about all the shooting here in America. What about the cops killing blacks for"self defense". See how your point becomes shit
This happened to me. A guy threatened me and my brother while fishing with a shotgun. We called the cops and the game warden hauled him off. We pressed charges and testified at trial. He ended up with 4 yrs for felonious assault.
That's exactly what needs to be done. No reason for people to go off the deep end and behave as that guy did and it's against the law as "that guy" found out the hard way. Now he is being butt-loved in prison for being stupid.
You were fishing with a shotgun?
How do you fish with a shotgun?
@@yinyangthang he means they were fishing and were threatened with a shotgun
@@jcmar209 you don’t, he meant that the dude threatened them, while fishing, with a shotgun
It's so easy to be reasonable, if he had just been like "Hey guys, you're fishing a little close to my property, could you move back a little bit" or something similar it would be such a different scenario.
Id tell you no, you dont own the river. What would you do then?
You see, It is not that easy. Some people wont take that bullshit.
The land owner stated there was a no trespassing sign. In some states you can own the land under the water. But in most states major rivers and lakes are owned by the Core if Engineers.
No one owns the water, land rights vs land taxed. A persons land is valuable because the have 'access' to water, no one owns that water.
Many idiots have been sued by the govt after they 'improve' a river and didn't get permission.
@@willrogers1023 The laws apply to every state it is not state by state, what is state by state is what is determined navigable water and for fishing. Even if you do own the lander under the water you cannot prevent someone from traveling down it which includes walking.
If the sign said trespassers will be shot on sight, a lawyer told me this day and age a sign like this can be used in court for premeditation to commit murder. The sign is legal to detour but it is not legal to actually shot someone unless in self defense.
Which state? What flys in Idaho may not in Massachusetts.
when you are inside the high water mark, you are not trespassing
Someone shoots at you, that is a crime
can’t own the river
@Are You Serious “Navigable waters” is the standard, along w high water mark, because it’s treated as a road. Lakes & ponds it depends if they are connected to navigable waters. If not, they are often private, unless the state has interest.
Within the last decade, per Agenda 21, states made claim to all water unless the people filed claim, thus the corporation (state) has claimed ownership of all water, including that which falls from the sky. Something that no corporate entity can actually own unless there is some group that can own the air, water & soil of the earth, which there is none, unless the people allow it.
On top of that, there is the interpretations which rely on politicians & judiciary & govt servants acting like kings.
@@thornmatthew8395 I don’t know of any state where you can shoot someone for a simple trespass.
the State and Federal laws tend to clash sometimes. But generally sounds like something that should be considered federal. I'm not a lawyer though. So just play it safe and don't trespass. You can find yourself in areas that are questionable when following watersheds and creeks. But in all, nobody owns the water besides for the state (or other states if they own water rights to the water in neighboring states).
That’s why I always carry a gun when I’m out at places fishing like that. But that guy should have had the police called on him for that. Any responsible Gun owner Knows you don’t do crap like that . You can’t just pull up and fire shots!
You fire shots at me and you will get accurate return fire
Keyword: responsible. Gun man isn't responsible
@B B lol truth!
@B B my president would have told him to go back to his shit hole country
Do hope the police paid HIM a visit. That would ruin a fishing trip.
Gun shots @12:50.
Thanks
Because people like you this world is wonderfull
Yesss thank you lol
Thank you, King
Alligator
This reminded me off the time my dad and I met in Missouri, I wasn't living here at the time, and we went to bass pro and bought fly fishing stuff and spent the weekend fly fishing. I'll never forget that trip for the rest of my life. This video is really awesome and even though I don't know you personally, it's awesome that you get to spend time fishing with your dad. Take care and stay safe!!
What part of Mo?
@@MrTangent I currently live in Forsyth MO, it's about 20 miles from Branson, and about 45 miles from Springfield. Springfield is where I met my dad to fish during the time I'm referring to.
@@JeremyDean-qk8qd I live near there. I’m about 30 minutes from Springfield, as well. :)
@@MrTangent wow! What a small world!
Looks a lot like NW Arkansas South Missouri to me
Edit: just read the rest of y’all’s comments Omaha, AR
I love seeing a father and son enjoying a hobby together
I was on a public walking path when unbeknownst to me it turned to private property. I had already turned around and was (three feet from the property line). The owner came out hollering at me, chest bumped me, pushed me down, and kicked my dog.
He was arrested.
Private property does not give anyone the right to assault another.
Didnt happen
You need to call the police yourself and have him charged.
if it's his property you're admitting you trespassed tho
@@doubledoublecapncrunch8306 most rivers are not owned. They are "navigable waterways", and belong to the public from high water mark to high water mark.
charged for what?....i own land and i shoot guns on my land.....if people tresspass on my land they might be in danger......go ahead call the cops on yourself for tresspass on private prop.
@@rickricky5626 assault. Also discharging a firearm within 100 yards of a roadway (if he was that close). Trespassing not being enforceable with a warning.
@@rickricky5626 except that guy doesn't own the river, so nobody is trespassing 🤣
Can't own the river mate
Its amazing how territorial and violently aggressive people are when they dont need to be. Shooting when your life isnt being threatened is illegal.
First time seeing any of your videos so I don't know your personality...but big ups to you for keeping a cool head and just walking away...no shouting matches, posturing, gestures or anything.
You handled that a lot better than I would have. And you are correct, as long as you are physically in the water you are breaking no laws. Still sometimes being the bigger person is the better option. Looks like you and your dad had a great time regardless. That's what matters 👍
Problem is that people keep giving in to the bullying so it keeps happening !!
@@dankelly5150 yes 💯
Wrong. In Illinois this is indeed trespassing. But you can't have property owners post signs threatening to shoot trespassers. That person is going to have that sign used against them in court one day should they ever do that.
Had the same thing happened to us as canoeing down the river. People shot warning shots we answered with about 15-20 rounds in the air and the crap stopped. Rest of the three-day canoe trip was great.
U got lucky. I'm sure they were terrified of a bunch of people on a raft firing in the air.
Here in Texas, as long as you are within the high water mark, you are on public property. People cannot own any section of a body of water that isn't completely enclosed within their property.
Agreed... However there is this one spot that defines all the laws. It amazes me that they are allowed to do it to. There is a lake with a river that runs through... The river does not start and stop on his land .. goes through several cities.... However he is allowed to have a damn fence stopping people from going through. From the top of the water it is like o
Two by two inch wire but below the water he has verrrrrry small wire... Not to allow fish to pass through. All of this is illegal.... But somehow he gets by with it. I've called the game Warden several times throughout the decades but nothing has ever been done about it. I don't understand why and how he gets by with it. Yes Texas.
Sounds pretty standard state to state, just worded different.
False You can be on his land and have dinner at his house and tuck his kids into bed as long as you approach from someone else's property that ownes a ferret and a hamster if it's on a Tuesday after 1400. You must be wearing a gorilla suit though.
@@madtrucker0983 lmao... Seems you stand up to your user name...lol
@@dawnkeener9836 Thank you. Most people don't get that it means I'm crazy. They think I'm just angry.
Out west it is normally clear that if you are under the high water mark or existing water mark you are free to fish and hunt....
Big facts Oregon for the win
Its like that pretty much everywhere, you can't own running water.
@@blazerwilliams2260 you actually can if it's on your property.
@@blackwingdragonmasta nope, even if a river cross your property you can not own it. Do your research.
@@blackwingdragonmasta Oh ok, I haven't read the law for here in NC in about 20 years, I need to recheck but as of 99 or so I could put a kayak in or walk in a creek that ran through someones private property. This is how I used to access alot of ponds lakes and swamps to fish.
I'm from Ohio and do a lot of creek and river wading fishing. The law in Ohio is if you're in any kind of "boat" you're not trespassing. but once you step out and touch the bottom that's trespassing.
I've never had an issue wading a body of water with some ass hole. tell me I'm trespassing...lol
In idaho you can't own a body of water as long as your in the water your good
In Ohio the water belongs to the state but the land underneath belongs to the property owner UNLESS it is a navigable waterway or if the land on either bank is owned by the state.
Sadly true
@@MichaelClark-uw7ex If you can float it, it is navigable. If it is navigable, you can walk it. That river they were on was navigable.
@@zubrickadvisors6742 Not in Ohio. If you touch the bottom of even a navigable river, you may be trespassing. The water itself is public, float all you want. Stand on the ground or even anchor and you could be in trouble.
In NM there are some well-known trout streams that run through private land. The landowners can't prevent you from wading up the stream, but if you're walking on the bank alongside the stream, then they can get you for trespassing. There are flyfishing books that spell out where to legally enter and exit the streams, and where you have to stay in the water.
San Juan River. Weekends some owners come out to look menacingly at folks in the river. I fish every weekend. I carry a gun, every day. I mean, up in these lands, everyone does.
@@davidamador655 I hate those snobs at the San Juan
@@AccDeleted1 I mean fly fishing is an art that I do not have any skill with. I use a 35$ ugly stick a floater and a worm and never get my feet wet. They can be snobby. Give me the nasty looks.
You guys need to stand up against bully's,you can't own the river
Grown man calling it bullying lol
I didn't see them run so what did you want them to do? Start a fight or shooting, shouting match? Yeh that would've showed them... Use your brain. You probably engage in road rage too. How tough are you lol.
I think he's just talking about letting them know he doesn't own the river. Calm down lol
In Missouri you can go on a bout but if you touch the ground you're trespassing even walking in the river. I know right of way on the river is a myth. You stand up in the water you're trespassing. Maybe not all states. look it up
You are so blessed to be with your Dad . I miss mine so much . I remember having the best times fishing with him .
I always regret not going fishing the last few times my dad asked me to go I was a teenager and too busy with friends and nonsense at the time now I can’t go with him
You guys stumbled on a marijuana grow. He’s ‘calling the cops’, trying to bluff you. Looking at the size of overgrow, it’s almost harvest time.
Mid September to November
Ditch weed....
Exactly my first thought.
Illegal activities on top of illegal activities.
Was thinking the same thing, either that or the guy is a massive lunatic male karen. I understand protecting your property but you don't own a river ect. That's like shooting someone cause they are breathing the same air as you, you own the lungs inside your bod but don't own the freaking air.
Thats what I was thinking also. That jerk will act that way to the wrong person and end up in prison or dead.
It all depends on how you access the river. If you enter at a public location, like a bridge, you are legal. However, if you cross private property without permission, then you have trespassed.
how is that a good enough reason to attempt to kill someone?
@@aregaminghd You cannot tell if the land owner is the one who fired a gun.
@@rnash999 it’s obviously the land owner
@@luclefebvre4209 It is not sign a police report obvious.
@@rnash999 in my opinion the sea is not salty because the lakes here aren't.
That's the argument you just used.
The greatest danger is falling in love with the beautiful scenery.
I don’t know, bullets are pretty dangerous
Indiana rivers that have been designated by statute as "navigable" are open to paddlers. “Navigable” rivers and their river beds are held in trust by the State of Indiana and can be used by the public.
On streams that don’t have a navigable designation, the bed remains in private ownership, but the public may use the surface of the stream for paddling.
The traditional law of navigability in Indiana says that a river is navigable if it could have been employed for commercial boat traffic when Indiana became a state in 1816.
Keep in mind that the banks of all rivers in Indiana should be considered private property. Only a very small part of the riverbanks in Indiana are in public ownership. Please do not trespass on private property. Riverbanks are designated by the ordinary high watermark (defined by 312 IAC 1-1-26(1)).
When on the river, the Ordinary High Watermark (OHM) is generally easy to see and should be used as the boundary between private land and the streambed on navigable rivers.
Problem is at the start of the video, he said Illinois. SOOOOO even though they are close, it isn't the same state.
This was illinois!
Fished this canyon area hundreds of times in Northern Illinois! Great for trout & smallies! A portion of the stream is owned by the DNR as they stock it in the spring! There are portions privately owned marked with signs! Not sure who the Karen might be!
Come to Finland! Here you can fish anywhere you like if you just pay the permit what is collected to take care of the environment, lakes and the fish. You can collect berries and mushrooms where ever you like if you dont walk closer than 150 meters from housing. The land owners here dont really own the land or the lakes or the rivers its for everybody to enjoy. Landowners got the right to cut wood from the forest but they must plant samplings after they cut full grown trees on their forest. We keep our nature healthy and people too. No man should own the nature. We also dont shoot people or call police while they are fishing or enjoying their day.
Very much like the native americans.
A bad day of fishing is always better than a good day at work.
Any buddy who shoots at me will be carp bait ...heed and adhere..!!!!!!!!
I think you’re right. At least here in Georgia. As long as you don’t get on the bank your legal. I think I would have called the law and at least reported him for shooting at me. Might save someone else.
I was just in North GA and was told they own the river bottom so no you're not legal. Many signs were marking property with threats of arrest if crossing those lines while in the river. In TX and MT you can walk a river if accessed via public land but stay in the river.
JP Morel your right. I thought it used to be different.
@@jpmorel3286 TX, you can access it by boat if it is a navigable water way.
Not all water ways are considered such, and may be considered private property.
If you have to portage a canoe or kayak in normal conditions, even a short distance, it may not be public.
In Ohio : The waters of Ohio’s public waterways (streams and rivers) belong to the state of Ohio, however, the land beneath the water belongs to the landowner(s) on either side of the stream, whether owned publicly or privately.
A stream is considered navigable if it is open for navigation to the end and considered navigable even if some obstacles or natural debris is present.
In situations of incidental use, such as taking breaks or wading, it is important that boaters understand that they may be trespassing when they leave their watercraft and access the stream bank or bottom of the stream. Prior permission may be necessary. It’s best to plan ahead or use public access areas or public land to leave your boat.
There are times when it may be necessary to leave the boat, such as the need to portage around an obstacle or wade thru a stream due to debris. This usage is permissible, but boaters are encouraged to do so quickly and respectfully (don’t leave trash, don’t venture far from shore).
Yuppers that is correct in Ohio.
@@Life-of-Bluegrass_Music this video is in Illinois, but the laws are the same
in Wisconsin we have the 'keep your feet wet' clause for rivers and streams, ie so long as your feet are in the stream, you're on public stream/land. And you're allowed to briefly use the shore to only move around a very deep area or an area that is blocked. (say a big tree fell across the stream and you really don't want to climb over it or swim under it or you hit a deep pocket thats over your waders or will require you to swim to cross, you can get to shore and move around the tree /deep hole to the other side. )
False You can be on his land and have dinner at his house and tuck his kids into bed as long as you approach from someone else's property that ownes a ferret and a hamster if it's on a Tuesday after 1400. You must be wearing a gorilla suit though.
@@creekhopper3153 Nah, the laws are different. Maybe similar in some ways but absolutely different. A stream in Illinois is consider navigable specifically if barge traffic or boats can travel the waterway which this stream isn't going to cut it. Kayaks and rowboats don't meet the definition of what is considered a boat for such travel.
In Wisconsin there is none of this "own the riverbed" bs on navigable waterways. They have something called the state's public trust doctrine. One of those places where if your feet are in the water, you're not trespassing but if you're on the shore it is possible you are.
50 states, 50 different laws. A complicated mess. One thing for certain in these states - You cannot kill trespassers legally if they aren't a threat to you. This isn't castle doctrine where someone is entering your domicile where their mere presence is viewed as a threat, this is outdoor space.
if you accessed the river thru a legal place, and kept walking IN the river. you arent trespassing. also shooting "warning shot" or whatever is considered threatening somebody with a weapon and i am pretty sure its jail time.
That's a beast
Proceeds to hold up a fish who would lose to an earthworm
Great way to spend a day. If I had a dollar for every hour my dad and I spent wading the creeks and rivers here in Indiana, I would be rich. But, I am even richer by having all the memories. I cant drive across a creek or river, or by a lake without thinking of dear ole dad. I miss him daily. That is a nice looking creek, they always say, "fish lives in beautiful places." Thanks for sharing the video.
Saying you own a river or parts of a river that that begins in the mountains and exits into the sea hundreds of miles later and supports hundreds of freely roaming types of life is like saying I own the piece of SKY above my house.
A good rule of thumb is if a boat or floating device is ok on the river, its considered "navigable" and property rights go to the high water mark and no farther. The only rivers I've ever fished where property rights went to mid stream were "non navigable" .
maybe true where you live.....not a good rule of thumb......read up on private property.
People are unpredictable man - carry a side arm !
Snakes don't hate, they don't have the capability to feel emotions (no limbic system). They just want left alone. Stay out of strike range and leave them be and there will be nothing to worry about. A lot of what people think is "chasing" is them just trying to get past you because they know there's a place to hide and you're in between it.
Water snakes sometimes will come up and investigate because they eat fish, they can smell the stressed, wounded fish, easy meal. They don't want to bite or attack you though. Always remember you're in their home, you'd be upset/scared if some giant stranger came stomping through your house randomly too 🤷🏻♀️
You don't have to like them, just respect their place in nature and leave them where they lie, just walk around them.
That one was close guys!!! that's the risk all the fisherman take, entering the wilderness!!! Some people are nice and a lot of people not nice!!!
You'all are such good friends that you don't have a problem casting over each other. Real men.
I cannot imagine being so miserable as to shoot at fishermen.
They on my land!?!? I’ll gladly DUMP mag after mag until threat is elimt
@@william9922 really man, they could just leave it doesn’t have to be an issue
@@Implodebbx poachers are a big issues on my property
@@william9922 ok, that is understandable, but you could put no trespassing signs, trail cams with motion censors and with audio recordings to make them think your there, and if your wealthy, hire night property guards, it doesn’t have to be right down to guns and violence the second it happens
This is the America we live in.. It's sad.. I've fished for 44 year's now.. It's so peaceful .. And nowadays the Karen's and kens want to kill us for fishing.. I carry a pocket pistol 38 over under at all time's..
so you carry when you TRESSPASS AND POACH ON PRIVATE LAND?
you can legally float through someone's property without trespassing but as soon as your foot touches the bottom or the bank its trespassing. I own land and cant see why you would be upset with outdoorsmen fishing as long as they are not leaving a mess or damaging the property.
I just don't understand why so many people have problems with Anglers/fishing? What the heck!! And, you are correct, they don't OWN THE WATERWAY!
Dude ,I absolutely 👍agree ,that canyon wall looks awesome....thats an epic spot ,that's what it's all about
Gunshots and being shot at, are two different experiences. Having been shot at more times than I can count, there is a difference.
It's often impossible to tell the difference- so the shooter here was way, way out of line. No question.
@@someotherdude I didn’t say the guy did the right thing by any means. Discharging the weapon was stupid and he’s an idiot. I was saying when that bullet comes your way, there is no mistaking it.
That is absolutely for sure!! “Shot at” was a bit of click bait. Shots fired while we were fishing would have been accurate. I too have been shot at with a shot gun and it was so close the bird shot hit me, so I didn’t make any mistake about the definition, but neither did he cause I shot back... kinda like a barking dog, if you run he’ll chase ya. I didn’t run and he quit shooting after about 3 volleys and backed away and so did I. No words were even spoken, never knew who the guy was or anything. But I was squirrel hunting on public land in Texas back in the 70’s.
In my state this would absolutely be trespassing. You can float a boat on "navigable waters" but if you touch the bottom or the shore you are trespassing. Be careful out there, laws vary by state.
Are you sure about that? That would seem to run counter to many federal laws and supreme Court rulings
Those riverbed trespassing states are laughable. It is to obviously harass public access from these waterways unless they're on a boat or fully in the river. You can kayak in 3 feet of water and be ok, but god forbid you are standing there in the same exact spot. That's some silly nonsense. But that's government for you!
Check your navigable water laws. Make sure the waters and the ground up to the high-water mark is public. It can vary a bit state to state but I work for the DEPT of Natural Resources in another state and land owners can face criminal charges for fisher and hunter harassment.
I dont understand how all these fishermen from the USA have such problems with ppl
It's because most fishermen don't shoot back. If someone had returned fire with effective shot placement the land owner wouldn't be shooting at anyone anymore and the local news would let all the other land owners know that if you shoot at someone, they are allowed to shoot back. But, fishermen are nice.
I carry a gun when I’m out fishing. If he shot at me, good chance I’m shooting back and after 6 years in the USMC and 26 as a cop, I’m not gonna miss.
I dont think there is a single state where you can own a body of water, creek or river, or the bed of the river
I remember looking for houses in Colorado a few years ago. It is indeed legal to own a creek or body of water of some sort. If you think about it in government terms, a country owns jurisdiction of certain waters. It can apply to acres of land, or in this case, bodies of water.
This is my own speculation. I've lived in Alaska, so I have have basic knowledge of how it could work. Meaning lots and lots of lakes. You could take a look at the map of Alaska. People own C-Planes, and they take off from water pretty often. It would be no surprise that any one individual could own bodies of water. I'm really into real estate and houses, so I understand the concept of owning that type of genre. Anyone could correct me if I'm wrong tho. There are housing regulations and many different foundations and higher ups who facilitate and make sure anything involving the ownership of some sort of body of water is kept clean (although Americans suck...). It's like that guy who comes to your house and says your fence is too freaking high for some reason.
And in no way am I condoning shooting at a fellow before making yourself known and if the trespasser is not an obvious threat to their land.
Fishing is supposed to be peaceful man... these guys could have approached differently.
@@nazlenhazel9268 hmmm very interesting, thanks for the reply, very informative 👍
Where I live you own to the center of the creek, not sure about larger bodies of water sorry but this is very true, it shouldn't be like this , but how else can it be if the body of water is on someone's property? However we have to remember the kind of society we live in today, its near impossible to fish or hunt anywhere anymore, because of liability, too many home owners are liable if their is an injury sad to say, but just look up the laws , have proper paperwork, ask permission if need be, keep your cool (if possible) and stay in deep water. Try not to leave your boat if you can help it, I think my best advice is to stay away from any land where there are a lot of houses , hope this helps, btw im on the fishermen's side😉
@@cjsadman3750 as for the larger bodies of water, if you think about it in terms of owning land like the both of us had said, then take for instance those who own Lake Resorts. Camps started by families who turned their Lake house into some sort of luxury resort over the course of several years warrants that they own that body of water. There's only the regulations that are in place.
That's why most fishing places are owned by the public, and if you fish in a private area, you usually have jurisdiction for it.
Different kind of concept, but same could apply in this case of fishing, when you own a beach side residency and that lot has its own deep end dock for fishing. I don't think you can own the ocean.... but maybe you can own the land surrounding the docks.
That was Awesome Fishing with your Dad what a Memorable time 🙌🏽
Is it alright if I ask where this was at? I absolutely love the limestone and shale cliffs next to you. I'm wondering if you're somewhere in the Tennessee/Kentucky area based on the foliage and geology. Also, everything below the high water mark is usually public access land even if it runs through private land. If you're in any state that's not Arizona or West Virginia you're perfectly legal to wade the rivers and fish. You could've gotten that dude on some pretty serious charges for negligently discharging a firearm like that.
Property laws and trespass laws are one of the major things I discuss in my defensive pistol/rifle courses.
Northwest IL, Galena area.
If that moron would have encountered me he would be dead right now. I would have defended myself accordingly! He had no excuse to shoot at you. None. You can't just shoot trespassers. Not if they are simply fishing or anything else that isn't harming anyone or anything. That enrages me!
I never saw the part where they were shot at. I did hear the gunshots before the atv showed up tho
Had the same issue with, of all people, Ted Turner. Fishing in North Georgia. We enter a river at a public area close to 20 years ago. I have some moron trying to cut my line when I hook into a huge trout. Still land the trout and get some pics. Says he is calling game wardens, we said go ahead. We asked sheriff if we are allowed to fish there due to signs we saw hanging across the river. Walk back down to where we walked in to have Ted Turner there yelling at us. Speak with game wardens. Advise we spoke to sheriff at their office who said we could. They gave us a ticket stating they wouldn't have but it was Ted Turner there complaining. He was at the lodge or close by when this all occured. 3 kids, just trying to fish. The Game wardens pointed to the fishing regulations and one line saying it is on you to know whether you need to seek permission to fish there and that they can close it down to Public if not navigatible. I advised them I could get a kayak or boat through there and the only reason it may not be navigatable is due to changes made. It's is big money maker in North GA. People paying thousands to fly fish rivers made into fish tanks with trophy trout. It's pathetic. They have barriers made to keep trout in areas the further upstream you go. Less than 100 dollar ticket.
F Ted Turner!
Better understand the GA law. Mr. Turner can own both sides of the river and the riverbed. He can't own the water that flows through it, or the fish that freely swim in it, so you can do your kayak thing, just can't anchor on his riverbed or pull up on the bank without his permission.
The theme song from the movie "Deliverance" comes to mind.
This is the second Deliverance comment I've seen today 😂🤣 I can't believe that movie is still so relevant. I trout fish where that movie was filmed. And the banjo boy is still alive and works at Walmart.
Most important thing I learned from Paul harrel is if I’m going to the woods I best go with a big group who is armed to the teeth
Rooster tails are the best for me to start with but the biggest stream trout I caught was on a little camo colored flat fish from the early 1960's I still have it in the tackle box it was a gift from grandpa.
Next time shoot back. He knew you were fishing and his life was not threatened. You have a right to protect yourself too. People like that are just power hungry and need to be taught a life lesson.
It is not worth getting killed or killing over a fishing spot. Don't get me wrong the guy was a douche but guns, anger, and a power hungry idiot will always lead to a bad outcome.
in Illinois if you access a body of water in a boat from public land or some place you have permission you may go anywhere on that body of water if your in a boat. if your wadding you cant, the land owner does not own the water but he does own the land beneath. you cant touch the land
It’s so nice fishing with your father I love doing it
Depends on where you are depends on state laws. Some places you can own the river it’s your land, other places as long as you are in the river you aren’t trespassing.
Here in California, a man legally owns 99 trees 🌲 of Marijuana a kid jumper over to steal his trees he literally shot him with a gun behind his back died later , the home owner gets 25 years prison 😩
Hes leaving means he knows hes wrong. Fisherman who know they are in the right dont leave
Or they figured it's not worth arguing with a lunatic firing a gun
Not gonna lie I never got into fishing but I’ve been enjoying a lot of these videos recently. I ride Bmx and have found a lot of similarities between Bmx and fishing. Crazy how anti fun people are but love the content keep it up
I literally been shot at while walking out hunting on our own property by a hunter that said we're ruining his hunt. It didn't end well for him.
Poor guy would've been on the back of a milk carton if he shot at me on my own property
@@GlitchTheDeer he got the hands 😂😂. I offered him nicely to leave. He left with one boot on and in a quickness lol his firearm was well. A little smashed up when he walked out of there
“What’s he gonna do shoot us” haha this man is fearless. Enjoyed this video keep up the great work!!
probably cuz he knows most people really wont do anything
@Mark Berenger you think that "most people" would shoot someone over fishing a river? Sounds like you're the one living behind a computer and who doesn't know jack about the real-world
@@sumswaggaming that’s a baddddd mindset bud. People are unpredictable
His property starts at the natural high water mark. so wherever the bank is, that is his property. The gravel beds that are part of the natural flowage are part of the waterway.
We keep sk’s in the bacc pacc for occasions like this we could’ve had a good gun fight on the river ong😂😂😂😂😂✍🏾
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I just keep a glock with the MCK kit so I feel you in this 🤣🤣🤣
Haha we got the same last snap we might be related lol jkjk 💯🤣🤣🤣
50 bmg here
@@richardcranium3417 no point in trying to go against that you got the power and range lol
there's a section of river in my state where landowners claim a Crown Right and prevent fishing. Yes. a land deed from King George II (obviously pre-Virginia). Highly disputed thing where no wading, anchoring or fishing is allowed on that stretch.
This last year me and a buddy were spotlighted and shot at on the Willamette Greenway at 1AM. It was a designated water trail camping area(island)that's across from farmland. It's unfortunate that people just can't be cordial with each other.
Next time bring a gun and return fire. You have a right to defend yourself.
This is why its a good idea if you are a responsible person and have if you don't live with anybody who has mental illness or is predisposed, to be trained with and carry a firearm. Obviously only use it when absolutely necessary or if your in water moccasin country.
Depends on state laws. But you can own the water. Especially of they own the water rights.
All natural water ways/lakes/ponds shouldn't be owned and always available for fishing purposes
Cant own river water rights.
@@dj13579100 I agree, but it's not always the case. In Idaho, you can be within the high water mark while on private property. In Utah, you're only allowed to float with the flow of the river, no touching bottom, anchoring, or using a motor on private property.
I think that if people don't allow fishing on their land, they should not get stocked by state hatcheries or programs. They should have to pay for fish to be stocked.
Why don't you report this dude, and the shooting. I have never heard of anybody, owning a RIVER and not having the Property Postings stating, "PRIVATE PROPERTY" all over the whole river area. At least check into it, he's probably has done this before, got away with it for so long, that NO ONE THOUGHT OF CHECKING OUT HIS STORY. A LEAST LET THE POLICE KNOW OF A DUDE SHOOTING!!
I'm a fly fisher and that looks great for trout!
God owns everything.
I just go by the parcel maps and most streams become ownerless once they reach ~20M in width, I still don't leave the bank-full mark anyways. Recently had a gun range ricochet land 5 feet from our boat on a more than public river with boat ramps, soooo that was fun haha.
Yeah I almost got shot by some duck hunters the other day
Report it to the range or the authorities. Their ricochets are not supposed to leave the range by design.
You should’ve talked to the police, and pressed charges. That is unacceptable behavior.
Bet there's some arrowheads around there,
No Doubt🏹
Uh... I bet there's artifacts almost everywhere there's a source of fresh water...
@@MEAT_CANNON I find village sites evidence usually every 2'3 miles along good size creeks.
In Tennessee it depends on your ability or, the depth of your pockets, to take someone to court and let a local judge decide. The law says you can fish, but old deeds say the land owner owns the waterway. The TWRA knows to stay out of the argument, so they say "ask permission of the land owner". So unless you know the local judge your chances are slim that your expensive lawyer is going to win any thing in your favor. If that isn't a correct summarization of a similar situation in Tennessee. I like to hear a truer one.
i'm no legal expert, but everything I've been told on this matter is that water is state or federal property, and private property only extends to the shore. So as long as you aren't on the land around the water you cant be trespassing.
Water ways can be private Example it must be navigable waterway if not and they own the property and water . not a pond or man made lake they are private property
@@kirkruiz12 that makes sense. But something like a river, stream, or stretch of ocean cannot be?
You have to be able to Access the waterway from a public point and be able to Navigate it with getting out on the banks . Other words if you have to get out your boat and pull it or something like It will be Deemed none Navigator and the owner of the property owns the water from what I get .
I think the law says-if you step foot on dry land it’s private property. In Montana the officers told us you CANNOT step on dry land you have to be in the river as long as your going through private property.
Quality time with dad until someone comes to mess shit up
If a creek runs through your property you can not prevent people going down the creek, but they can not drop anchor if they are floating in a boat of some type. This goes for walking in the water as well. creek bed = land.
That's beautiful water. I need to find a stream like that near me.
Shame about the idiot people out there ruining a nice day out.
Love when a father and son enjoy some good fishing... priceless... Enjoy brother's
You know the most American thing you can do is put a gate up and sign up saying no Trespassing. Merica'
No .its the most German thing
I’ve rarely seen that and I always just assume it’s a drug house
The Indians should have done that 500 years ago
You are 100% right no private citizen owns a river furthermore and navigable waterway is illegal to be in.
We thought it said gun range, but apparently it said we'll shoot you if you come over here😂😂lol
I don't live in Illinois, but If I'm not mistaken, private property laws apply to the ground under a waterway or river, but not the waterway or river itself. Such as floating a river is legal where it crosses private property, but if you stand or walk on the bottom, then you are trespassing. At least in the state I live in. Similar to a public roadway across private property, You are legal if you stay on the roadway.
You should have told him you own the oxygen he’s breathing and that he’s going to be fined 350$
In many states like Tennessee the water itself is State Public Property but the land underneath it is private property. The second you get out of a boat, canoe, or tube and stand on the Creek floor or shore you're trespassing on private property.
And I literally just had my snake with me watching this show
It is not legal for a property owner to fire a weapon at a trespasser. If he fired on your direction you can have him charged with agg. assault.
man if you can catch some live minnows from that creek to use for them
I may have had a "flashback" and returned fire.
Geez now I have to carry while fishing!
Im in florida i do anyway
I do in Arkansas, everywhere I go
Move to Scandinavia, and freely fish as much as you want, without having to worry about getting shot.
I remember an incident here in Michigan where a land owner decided to fire "warning shots" at a teenage boy fishing in the river. His father was further upstream. He heard the shots, came back to where his son was fishing, pulled his .45 and killed the land owner. Teenage boy was fishing legally. The boys father did jail time for 2 felonies. Landowner went to the morgue. Lesson : when you pull a gun and fire "warning shots" you may very well draw return fire. THINK ABOUT THE POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES BEFORE YOU DECIDE TO TAKE THE LAW INTO YOUR OWN HANDS