Thank you, very useful video, we need more stuff like this in the Ardour environment :) Drums work is very thorough and insightful, but I gotta say I love the guitar arrangement without being myself a "metalhead" ; )
Great video Michael! So much work cleaning up the bleeds. Drumgizmo has a bleed control now, maybe since this video. Do you think that makes things easier, or maybe it sacrifices some of realism that drumgizmo offers?
Thank you! It always depends on what you want. The bleed control now comes in very handy if you want to spare some time in the mixing process. That's indeed very good, but yes, it does take away a bit of realism, it makes the drum mix a bit less "dense". This is not necessarily bad, if you look at e.g. most Toontrack stuff or commercial drum libraries, they have single samples for all shells and some close mikes for some cymbals but also overheads and room microphones (and some artificial bleed if you want to). You can get away with overheads and room mikes alone and single shell samples without bleed for e.g. modern metal or metalcore or djent style because they benefit from very clean drum tracks (of course they also add more layers of samples even on real drums quite often). For more pop/rock/punk/alternative style the bleed just gives a more realistic touch to it. So, all in all you can get quite realistic drums with right velocitiy settings, and then do a bit of randomisation of velocity and timing. And overhead- and room-tracks, they are important too. With that you are perfectly fine for a lot of purposes. On the other side it is also good to train to get full bleeded tracks under control and clean them up by manually editing them and using plugins to do that. Often you find online video courses or tips and tricks where they come up with funny usage of a plugin you have never thought of because of the bleed and I always find that nice. On one of my next projects I will try to reduce the bleed between snare and hi hat, maybe clean the toms completely and also the ride track, which is full of bleed in the Crocell kit. I haven't done this yet, but I will experiment with that of course.
@@tonypersic5585 I think I got them from here: www.propellerheads.com/blog/free-reverb-resources-where-to-find-impulse-responses (Lexicon PCM90). There are also a ton of other resources for impulses.
Great tutorial! Sadly this is the only kit from DrumGizmo that I can't load in my DAW (Cakewalk by Bandlab). Could it be because of its size? Would it be a way to sort that out that you know?
Do you know the version of DrumGizmo? Later versions show error messages on loading the kit in the GUI, older versions may only log to console. The first I would look at would be if there is a version conflict. There as a patch for the CrocellKit on the DrumGizmo website for newer versions, but it's hard to say without an error message about whats wrong.
@@onikudaki1000 It says something like "invalid argument" and then it almost crashes the PC every time. And it's 8 GB RAM, I7 2.5 GHz, 1 TB of disk space... It's by far the heaviest kit on the site, 10 GB aprox, perhaps that's the reason... I'll try installing older version 0.9.6 of DrumGizmo now.
@@DeepHipilossa yeah, this sounds like it is going out of RAM. Have you tried using it with streaming? Newer DrumGizmo versions provide a setting how much memory can be used and the most used sample are cached in this area, the rest is streamed from disk.
Loading a single instance of Gizmo makes my computer run out of breath lol on 256 buffer size. Is there a way to lower the CPU load or ram load? Or isn't quad core I5, 16 gig ram and an SSD enough to run it? Thank you.
This system should be perfectly fine. There is a disk streaming feature in Drumgizmo where you can limit the used RAM in the graphical interface before loading a kit. Also, some kits are provided with smaller versions. But I suspect this is not the problem. 256 buffer size should really be fine on this system. Could be a problem within jack itself (maybe configuration?)
Ярослав Яніцький no, you can use other EQs as well. On kick I use it mostly for the “Pultec EQ trick“ (you can google this). It is a low shelf boost and a bell cut a bit higher to clean the mud up. Just use what you have and always listen until you achieve what you aim to.
Its not yet finished :) Currently trying and recording vocals, maybe over Christmas I will have time. There is also a Intro to this song which is finished, but not official yet.
@@onikudaki1000 Ok! cheers to that. And if I would want to listen to something "similar" which band would you recommend? the riff style of the verses is mainly what I'm after : )
@@bluebones I thought a lot and there didn't come something into my mind immediately. That's a good question. The main riff was inspired by an old band, which we sometimes played with, but they don't exist anymore and I can't find any music from them online. I think I can only tell some of the influences, which brought me to that song and these are probably Machine Head (eg. ruclips.net/video/k-I7TuEzWYI/видео.html), Pantera (eg. ruclips.net/video/2ht3XGhlfYs/видео.html) or for more easy listening (as you said you are not a metalhead) Sevendust, especially the older albums like Cold Day Memory or Home and Animosity. Not sure if that helps...
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As always, another very interesting and informative video series by @Michael Oswald. Thank you, Michael! :)
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Very carefully and clearly explained. I've subscribed!
Thank you, very useful video, we need more stuff like this in the Ardour environment :)
Drums work is very thorough and insightful, but I gotta say I love the guitar arrangement without being myself a "metalhead" ; )
Great video Michael! So much work cleaning up the bleeds. Drumgizmo has a bleed control now, maybe since this video. Do you think that makes things easier, or maybe it sacrifices some of realism that drumgizmo offers?
Thank you! It always depends on what you want. The bleed control now comes in very handy if you want to spare some time in the mixing process. That's indeed very good, but yes, it does take away a bit of realism, it makes the drum mix a bit less "dense". This is not necessarily bad, if you look at e.g. most Toontrack stuff or commercial drum libraries, they have single samples for all shells and some close mikes for some cymbals but also overheads and room microphones (and some artificial bleed if you want to). You can get away with overheads and room mikes alone and single shell samples without bleed for e.g. modern metal or metalcore or djent style because they benefit from very clean drum tracks (of course they also add more layers of samples even on real drums quite often). For more pop/rock/punk/alternative style the bleed just gives a more realistic touch to it.
So, all in all you can get quite realistic drums with right velocitiy settings, and then do a bit of randomisation of velocity and timing. And overhead- and room-tracks, they are important too. With that you are perfectly fine for a lot of purposes.
On the other side it is also good to train to get full bleeded tracks under control and clean them up by manually editing them and using plugins to do that. Often you find online video courses or tips and tricks where they come up with funny usage of a plugin you have never thought of because of the bleed and I always find that nice.
On one of my next projects I will try to reduce the bleed between snare and hi hat, maybe clean the toms completely and also the ride track, which is full of bleed in the Crocell kit. I haven't done this yet, but I will experiment with that of course.
Hi Michael can you please tell us where you found the lexicon irs? Found some but they sounded distorted. (We're in aiff format and 48k)
@@tonypersic5585 I think I got them from here: www.propellerheads.com/blog/free-reverb-resources-where-to-find-impulse-responses (Lexicon PCM90). There are also a ton of other resources for impulses.
Great tutorial! Sadly this is the only kit from DrumGizmo that I can't load in my DAW (Cakewalk by Bandlab). Could it be because of its size? Would it be a way to sort that out that you know?
Do you know the version of DrumGizmo? Later versions show error messages on loading the kit in the GUI, older versions may only log to console. The first I would look at would be if there is a version conflict. There as a patch for the CrocellKit on the DrumGizmo website for newer versions, but it's hard to say without an error message about whats wrong.
@@onikudaki1000 It says something like "invalid argument" and then it almost crashes the PC every time. And it's 8 GB RAM, I7 2.5 GHz, 1 TB of disk space... It's by far the heaviest kit on the site, 10 GB aprox, perhaps that's the reason... I'll try installing older version 0.9.6 of DrumGizmo now.
@@DeepHipilossa yeah, this sounds like it is going out of RAM. Have you tried using it with streaming? Newer DrumGizmo versions provide a setting how much memory can be used and the most used sample are cached in this area, the rest is streamed from disk.
Very useful tutorial. Thank you Michael. Is it possible to share the Ardour template from this project?
Thank you! In principal yes. I am on business trip now, so not before end of next week.
Loading a single instance of Gizmo makes my computer run out of breath lol on 256 buffer size.
Is there a way to lower the CPU load or ram load?
Or isn't quad core I5, 16 gig ram and an SSD enough to run it?
Thank you.
This system should be perfectly fine. There is a disk streaming feature in Drumgizmo where you can limit the used RAM in the graphical interface before loading a kit. Also, some kits are provided with smaller versions. But I suspect this is not the problem. 256 buffer size should really be fine on this system. Could be a problem within jack itself (maybe configuration?)
@@onikudaki1000
Wow thank you for that.
What value would you recommend that I limit the ram usage to?
@@Eric-dd8bk I would suggest 2048 (2GB). For a 16 gig machine this should be enough.
I dont have the PEQ-2A installed. Is it so necessary for kick and snare ?
Ярослав Яніцький no, you can use other EQs as well. On kick I use it mostly for the “Pultec EQ trick“ (you can google this). It is a low shelf boost and a bell cut a bit higher to clean the mud up.
Just use what you have and always listen until you achieve what you aim to.
Senks, Michael! Interesting trick.
Where can we listen to the finished song?
Its not yet finished :) Currently trying and recording vocals, maybe over Christmas I will have time. There is also a Intro to this song which is finished, but not official yet.
@@onikudaki1000 Ok! cheers to that. And if I would want to listen to something "similar" which band would you recommend? the riff style of the verses is mainly what I'm after : )
@@bluebones I thought a lot and there didn't come something into my mind immediately. That's a good question. The main riff was inspired by an old band, which we sometimes played with, but they don't exist anymore and I can't find any music from them online. I think I can only tell some of the influences, which brought me to that song and these are probably Machine Head (eg. ruclips.net/video/k-I7TuEzWYI/видео.html), Pantera (eg. ruclips.net/video/2ht3XGhlfYs/видео.html) or for more easy listening (as you said you are not a metalhead) Sevendust, especially the older albums like Cold Day Memory or Home and Animosity. Not sure if that helps...
@@onikudaki1000 Thank you for taking the time to answer, I will myself take now the time to dive into this bands, hope your song comes out soon! : )