Welder Generators Compared - Vulcan Outlaw, Klutch, Hobart, Miller, Lincoln, Ruffian.
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- I went through all the user manuals and other info for the top 6 open frame welder generators. The results may shock you! I am not declaring that my info is absolutly correct. This is my own research and findings.
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Another great video with great info.
Could you do a video on best stick rods to have around the home shop for lawn mower decks, utility trailer, go cart frame type repairs that a everyday guy might need and the best uses for each rod.
That's a great suggestion. I like it when you guys give me ideas. Yes, I will do that. In fact, it will be my next video!
I think you got arc force confused with hot start.
Dang! You are so right! Hahaha.. it just hit as soon as I read your comment. Thanks for pointing that out.
Outlaw
9.2 is a misprint. You need about 2hp per kw.
Yeah, I figured it was a misprint. I knew that was pretty low.
Are any made in the USA or are they 100% imported and they are just lining corporate pockets with their brand's name? I see the Vulcan Outlaw is back with a 2yr warranty included, what is the warranty on the others?
I would not spend $1800 at HF with a 90 day warranty, nor would I really feel better with their extend warranty (it is just an insurance policy under written by Federal Warranty out of Florida) Extended warranties never make a product better, but the insurance sold by HF does add goof-up protection at a fairly high price and you never have to deal with the insurancce company.
A year or more warranty means it good enough to keep down returns ( a exception to that is Pittsburgh, especially the old junk, no problem just bring it back).
As far as I know, all these are made in China
@@tsl7881 yeah, I bought it used
When it's China vs China, brand allegiance fades. You can by 2 Vulans or Klutch for the price of some of the others and the Hobart only has a 30% duty cycle which might become a problem when you have a helper to keep you busy.
Sorry they did not bring it back with a 2yr warranty. Just the regular 90 day , but 2 yr on emmisions...
I,'ve said bad things about HF's 90 day general warranty , but I might change my mind when they have 20% off coupon that includes welders. However, the klutch has a 3 yr warranty so that afternoon you spent fixing the oil cover would have been on them ( if you could have stood the down time).
Why not mention duty cycle?? The ruffian beats the outlaw in duty cycle and in my experience esab delivers "heat" and current the most efficiently
I guess because it doesn't really effect me too much. The Outside is 195amp, and when I run it at 90, it's pretty much 100% duty cycle. Even if it wasn't, by the time I run a stick, clean up the slag, grab another stick, get back in position, etc it's already rested enough. How do you like your Ruffian?
@@AllStarWeldingSC understandable! most of my work is done in the 100-120amp range with 1/8 rod. Now I realize it's not apples to apples but I compare any machines performance against the Miller 325 Trailblazer (250' complete circuit)that I absolutely love. While I've never had an opportunity to run an Outlaw, I've ran a blue star 185 and Hobart 145 while erecting light duty steel buildings and found that both had to be turned up to "+130amp" on the machines to achieve an output and weld comparable to a miller 325 trailblazer set to 117(all average 100' complete circuit). The Ruffian has been a cut of a different cloth performing with much less differentiation between the amperage setting and the bead. It also has an arc force feature. Esabs' inverter transformer technology is so efficient at delivering the "heat". Reliability has never been an issue with any of my Esab machines in this central Texas heat!
The outlaw has a 100% duty cycle at 105 amp and the ruffian has 100% duty cycle at 115. I agree that it's not good to run a machine at max for the majority of its work, once I experienced the inefficiency I did with the Hobart 145 and bluestar it made me cross them off my list and I assumed the Outlaw would perform the same. I still sought after one and was willing to make an exception bc of the price point and generator rating!
@@juliosanchez9113 yeah.... Haha. None of the mention machines can be compared to a Trailblazer! That's a beast
@@AllStarWeldingSC I just had to pass a structural x ray weld test with a supplied Hobart 145, I didn't turn that thing in until I had it looking like I did it with the trailblazer! Talk about having to dial a machine in! I passed and am still getting compliments on the results. While the process was drug out the end result was achieved none the less!!! Blessings from Tx Chief!
Just save your money and buy a lincol, miller, or hobart. A true engine drive welder.
The Outlaw is working perfectly for my needs.
Will the vulcan outlaw 195 run the titanium 170
I am not familiar enough with the Titanium 170 to say yes or no.
I asked that question yrs ago and I was told you need at least 6500 running amp generator and 8000+ if you run a plasma. I would go down and rent a generator and plug in the 170 and see what you need to run it. Then you can make a good decision on what you need.
@user-ky6pr1lp5w thats a great idea
The Titanium specs call for 26.8A @ 240V. So you're right there on the higher limit, but at 155 amps output on the Tit. the draw would be less. Elephant in the room is the Titanium's inverter circuit tough enough to run off the Vulcan's raw 110/220. The way I understand, the Vulcan has a regular generator AC output, not a inverter AC output ( what bargain if it did). It does have a inverter in the welding circuit tough enough to run on its generator.
If your Titanium is under that goof proof xtended warranty, I would try it.
Let us know , my big green neverlast welder says don't run it off anything but "clean" power.
@@tsl7881 Thanks for answering that for him.
More like generator/welders. They are generators that weld, not a true welding machine that will last. You're giving good but bad advice. Someone starting out needs a reliable welder and those "open frame" generator/welders just don't last for someone welding for a living. Not to mention quality differences between those machines you have listed, hobby to professional.
Yes, eventually someone who is going into the business will, along the way, get better machines. The video was to compare the specs of open frame welder generators. As I said at the beginning, these are generators that weld, and meant for small occasionsal welding projects. They are not to be compared to the larger engine driven welding machines.
A person could get started with one of the vulcans ( you could even buy 2 ant that price). They certainly have the duty cycle to run 1/8 rod (100% a 107A) and a helper.
@@tsl7881 yes. You could definitely start a mobile welding service with it. 195 amps is a lot. But first, consider what your market is. For going out and doing hand rails, simple repairs, farm repairs, it's perfect. If you are in West Texas doing pipeline work, then you will want something nicer.
'Constructive criticism'; the CONSTANT passing of cars (or whatever the background noise is) is extremely and I mean extremely annoying to hear over.
Ugh! I know. My ship is on a very busy street. One time when I was making a video, I had to do several re-takes because a fire truck came by, then the fire chief, then rescue truck, then ambulance. I just gave up.
His mic picked up his voice pretty good. I just thought it was surf noise by the ocean.
@@tsl7881 haha... No. It's traffic outside the shop, and fans