Prequels Better Than the New Trilogy? - Nostalgia Critic
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There's been a lot of talk about the despised Star Wars prequels getting more love than the new films coming out. Is Jar-Jar somehow better than BB-8?
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I like sand
It's nice,
Smooth,
And stays were it's supposed to be.
what no cut to the holiday special ' Stir whip stir whip whip whip stir ' OOPS wrong thing
Sand
clearly talented film makers... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
I also think the prequels are more fun to rewatch than the sequels because even when they're bad it's fun to make fun of them or laugh at how silly they are but when the sequels are bad they're just bland and boring and predictable.
there’s only one thing everyone agrees on
Revenge of the Sith is the best prequel
DO IT!
Revenge of the Sith is the ONLY prequel.
QuackersClocks unless you were JonTron! He thinks the Phantom Menace is the best one.
I'm highly agreed 💯 revenge of the sith > the sequels no joke
Its the less stinky of the shit.
I hate Disney humor, it's course, rough, irritating, and it gets *everywhere.*
I see what you did there ;)
*THEY FLY NOW*
You forget the "irritating"
Now it says irritating.
Not like here, though. Here everything's so soft..and smooth *checks out 70s leia*
The prequels also had one thing the Disney Trilogy never had...world building. The prequels they expanded the lore and expanded the SW universe greatly.
That's one thing that's super important - the fact that the Prequels expanded upon the uses of the Force and never stepped too far. The sequels, on the other hand, is ruined by "power escalation", a concept that has led to the demise of several beloved anime. Every character is OP now; Rey can just stop a cargo ship from leaving the atmosphere using the Force and destroy it using lightning, Palpatine can just effortlessly raise a thousand ships from under the sea and just impulse the entire Resistance fleet by shooting lightning beams into the sky. What the hell is this? I swear to god, in some future movie, some OP af character will just move an entire planet using the Force and throw it onto the opponent like Thanos does in Infinity War. There's no boundary for the Force now, characters can just do whatever the fuck they want, and there's no stake or any sense of mysticism. As much as I loved certain aspects of the sequels, I utterly despise what they've done with the Force. It's no longer something you train in for several years, it's just a super-power that you're born with. What an absolute joke. The Sequels had a lot of good moments, but unfortunately, it just cannot be considered canon. It overstepped several boundaries.
That reminds me of something. Have you ever heard the story of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
Prequels add alottt to SW sequels are... Mejjj
@@Ubermensch9240 Haha, I thought not. It's not the type of story Disney would tell you.
@@Ubermensch9240 Is it possible to learn this power?
“The Prequels are better than the Sequels”
Anakin: “Because of Obi Wan?”
Prequel fans including myself: You are strong and wise and I am very proud of you
The prequels are better than the originals in my opinion. Perfect dialogue and I’m sick of people complaining about how cringe it is. It’s not. It’s beautiful
Arthur Preston honestly there’s a lot in the prequels I like more than the originals, but the story that the originals tell with Vader being brought back to the light side through his son’s perseverance is such a beautiful story that at least for me, may never be topped.
But seriously most of the bad dialogue in the prequels is the romantic dialogue in Attack of the Clones and while it’s really bad at its worst, in general I feel it’s blown out of proportion
BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU HAVE DONE! AND WHAT YOU WILL DO?!
No, because of George Lucas.
Finn: "Hey, Rey; do you remember that thing I wanted to tell you?"
Rey: "Oh, yeah! What was it you wanted to tell me?"
Finn: "Maclunkey."
Rey: (whips out lightsaber)
What is Maclunkey?
I don't get it.
???
Maclunkey is the sound that greedo makes right before getting shot in the Disney+ version of a new hope. The fandom has since interpreted the sound as some sort of star wars swear word
You think about the maclunky and how delicious it is. You think about how delicious it would be if you ate it raw. You think about how delicious it would be if you had it cooked. You think about how it would taste if you had it boiled.
The prequals had also amazing sound tracks
Ali Khattab all 9 movies were scored by the legend himself John Williams.
But let’s be honest.
More people remember Duel of the Fates and Battle of the Heroes better than...erm...whatever Rey’s theme was.
@@caleblim6890 I remember Rey's theme. I thought it was quite a good piece of music. But that's the only new theme I remember from the sequels. It seems like every other scene they're recycling music from the originals.
@@Blokewood3 that's because the sequels just reused the same tracks from the previous films
@@caleblim6890 Emm, Rey's theme is quite memorable. But regardless, all prequels and sequels pale musically compared to the OG films. The music better stands alone and tells a narrative even without the visuals.
I still replay Duel of the fates from time to time, I can't remember any piece from the sequels
prequel general: Cybernetic jedi killer
sequel general: Hans from frozen
More like random grey female Stormtrooper, Hux is more like the Tarkin type
@@dr.robotnick1888 I can see why you are a doctor, here take one of my lightsaber's collection
@@wintersoldier164 thanks
@@wintersoldier164 original: Badass Bounty Hunter
nuff said
"over reliance of CG" People really should loo at the behind the scenes of the prequels, there's more models than you'd think. Mustafar, Utapau were all models.
And the CG in TPM still holds up. Why do people hate it in the PT? The only time CG was used was when it was necessary.
And the CG looks bad because it's 20 years old. Even then, II is the only one that looks dated.
Geonosis was also a model set.
@@Fred-xy9ch I partially disagree. TPM and ATOC look dated, especially when you re-watch the Gungans vs. Battle droids battle, particularly when you get a good look at those AAT tanks. Very blocky-looking nowadays. ATOC has a lot of incredible shots, such as the battle scenes, sweeping panoramic landscape views, gorgeous interior and exterior building viewpoints, etc, that still hold up. Even the opening shot itself is incredible, but yes I do see much datedness in many of the explosion effects and scenes in general. Regardless, the PT still largely holds up to this day. The VFX were literally groundbreaking and revolutionary for a reason. The PT are indeed 16-22 year old films, so of course they'll sort of suffer from that fate, it is what it is. Many critics of the CGI are too harsh and fail to realize that fact.
80% of the prequels used models for backgrounds and only used CGI around 20% of the time when it was needed.
My feelings on the prequels, they weren't the best, however all of my favorite star wars content stemmed out from them. They laid the foundation for games, shows, products that were amazing.
My favourite game from the prequals was Episode 1 Racer.
Star Wars Battlefront II and the first Lego Star Wars
Jeikobu the Clone Wars is the best Star Wars content made in the past 2 decades.
@@khornethebloodgod4155 exactly
You know what was the idea I found to be brimming with story potential? The senate. Think about, it's like the united nations times a million: god knows how many seats and thus near limitless room to make debates and relations between systems and their reprisentatives. And boy did the clone wars use that potential ^^
I think Lucas said it very well:
'I wanted to tell a story, they wanted to do something for the fans.'
Even that statement doesn't hold up to facts, however. If Disney truly had wanted to do something for the fans, we wouldn't have seen Luke, Han and Leia be reduced to failures who never accomplished anything and then die.
@Gren Wren Still wanting to tell a story.
@Gren Wren - Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.
Lucas is a horrible story teller.
@Asuka NGE Everything Lucas wrote has story plotholes and nonsense.
*George Lucas:* _"The secret is not give up hope. It's very hard not to because if you're really doing something worthwhile I think you will be pushed to the brink of hopelessness before you come through the other side."_
Mr. Friendship Also George Lucas: FUCK THIS SHIT, I’M OUT! *sells Star Wars*
@@LordMoonshadowGaGa To be fair he gave it a shot for 7 years after Revenge of the Sith and even though everyone loved The Clone Wars everyone said George Lucas raped their childhood. It's easy to see why he'd get the fuck out. I don't doubt he regrets it now though, given where the story went... I can die happy if he buys it back and nukes the new canon.
Except from Mandalorian and Fallen Order.
@@BanesBasement also, gave it all to charity and to make a museum.
@@LordMoonshadowGaGa And gave quite a bit of it to charity and made sure his employees kept their jobs!
The prequals had good worldbuilding, even though that took the “boring” politics to establish. The galaxy felt big, things were constantly moving, you knew there was always tons of shit happening off-screen and that made the galaxy feel alive. You knew who the seps were, what they wanted, where they were and what tactics they used. You knew what the republic was, where they were, who fought for them, their tactics, etc.
Can you say that about the sequals? I have no idea what the resistance is, why they exist and what they resist. I don’t know where they are, don’t know how large their number is, don’t know how they connect to the Republic. All I know is that they use rebel tech and tactics. The same goes for the first order and the republic. It always felt like the rest of the galaxy wasn’t even there.
Hell, I’m not even sure that Corusant is still around or if the first order destroyed it. That’s how bad the worldbuilding is
piccolo917 So your saying the SEQUELS didn’t have world building because they didn’t explain what the resistance was? There called the SEQUELS because they thought people would at least see the OG trilogy.
@@sackofcheese4190 I'm not saying they did no world-building, but what they did was insufficient and at times self-contradicting.
The thing about them following the OT is that in the OT there was no resistance, only rebels. With the rebels you knew who they fought and why. I can't say that I knew those aspects of the resistance right off the bat. But at the very start of ep 7, do you know what they resist and hence exist? The galaxy is peaceful, there is a republic that likely has security forces, so why is there a resistance? According to the same movie, the FO only takes children sneakily and wipes out all traces of its raids.
Which is a problem in and of itself. The FO is powerful enough to have a giant fleet, own multiple star systems, can build a planet-sized death star and more, but is never noticed? There were no merchants ever wondering why a certain section of space had a virtually unlimited desire for metals and that there was never anything send out to check for it?
And there is so much more where this came from. With the empire it was easy to understand how they could build the death star: They owned the galaxy save for a few hideouts which were occupied by the rebels who had supporters in the Empire that allowed them to build their weapons of war.
But one thing that was crucial about the death stars was that they economically crippled the Empire, with especially the Kyber crystals needed for the actual laser being super hard to find. So how the fuck does the FO build a weapon even larger than the second death star by a wide margin without the economy of the galaxy? And where the fuck does Palpy get all the crystals to build those death star destroyers?
It. makes. no. sense.
What do you mean you don’t know what they’re resisting? Your putting this like we didn’t know what they were resisting because it wasn’t shown in the first scene like in the OG trilogy was. Don’t quote me on this I don’t remember exactly what was on the title crawl of ep7 but I’m pretty sure it said at least SOMETHING about the First Order. You saying we don’t know what the resistance was resisting is kinda absurd. Which is also why they exist. To stop what they don’t believe in. Also pretty sure somewhere it said they only had about 300 or so people but I don’t see how that matters a whole lot. Don’t recall in the OG trilogy they said how many troops they had, maybe I’m wrong about that. And why do they have to be related to the republic? Once the republic won in episode six there was no need for the republic anymore. The resistance probably had many beliefs similar to the republic which is why Han and Leia joined the resistance. I know this is complicated and they probably should’ve explained this to us but wasn’t Star Wars supposed to be put to the imagination. This stuff isn’t that hard you just got to use your imagination and piece this it together.
@@sackofcheese4190 gotta love when someone picks one part of a criticism, then ignores the rest.
It wasn’t exactly a “new war”. It was basically the same exact one from the OT. The first order was just the empire. What doesnt help is that a Skywalker is leading it and it turns out Palpatine is pulling the strings again. The resistance is just the rebels with some of the same characters from the OT but with a couple of characters who are almost exactly like them or just don’t really do anything.
Rey:
TFA = Maybe she's born with it
TLJ = ?
TROS = Maybe it's Palpatine
Actually, I found it to be more like
Rey:
TFA: She's so powerful, I wonder who's offspring she is? Luke's? Obi-Wan's? Palpatine's?
TLJ: Nobody's??? Errrr.... that's ok I guess?
TROS: That's even more BS than TLJ now, holy shit.
@@FrontlinerCdV My thoughts exactly lmao
TFA = a load of horse shit
Didn’t even bother with the others...
Episode 10: maybe it's maybelline
Maybe it's Maybelline.
Personally I think the thing that got more people to like the Prequel Trilogy was Star Wars The Clone Wars. It fixed a lot of The Prequels shortcomings. You got to form more attachments to the Clones (Such as Rex, Cody, Heavy, 99, Echo, Fives, Waxor, Boil) more battle sequences between the Republic and Separatist forces. More interesting political issues to discuss showing how clever Palpatine’s ultimate goal was. The return of Darth Maul was handled really well also when it could’ve crashed and burned. And above all it showed Anakin’s eventual turn to the Dark Side. He goes behind the Jedi Councils back. He shows his anger towards them especially during the Rako Hardene arc, as well as the council turning on Ashoka. All up to the point where Anakin’s turn to the Dark Side in Episode 3 was a powder keg ready to be lit.
By clone wars do you mean the 2d one of the 3d one
@@SpookySquid14 3D, he's listing things that only happened in the 3D.
I disagree. I found it impossible to relate to the clones, because we all knew what was coming. Order 66. Same with Anakin. I never cared because we all knew Vader was coming. The only animated show I liked was Rebels, because it had an all new cast and told its own story in an, IMO, more interesting setting. To this day, Kanan Jarrus is one of the best Jedi ever, IMO.
@@kainhighwind2 Yes, we knew what was coming but The Clone Wars added depth to these characters. For example, the clones, for all their loyalty, have their distinct personalities and genuinely cared for the Jedi. So when the inhibitor chip mystery was being discovered, it made sense why the clones would betray the Jedi like that despite their friendship and it makes the Order 66 event more tragic. Other stuff I loved about the show are: Anakin arguably being more likeable than in the films (he is exactly what Obi-Wan described to Luke: best star pilot in the whole galaxy, cunning warrior, and a good friend), Ahsoka Tano's character development, getting to know more about the more obscure Jedi we saw in the prequels like Shaak Ti or Barriss Offee, and more!
i couldnt agree more , while the sequels spit on the legacy of star wars the prequels though flawed at least way more respectful to the original and didnt negated the originals as the sequels did cough luke in tlj
The deleted scenes in "attack of the clones" between Padme and Anakin show a lot more of their chemistry and aren't as awkward as that lake scene 😭 they should have kept it in
@Adrijana Radosevic yes, because thats entire plot of prequels, Anakin was mad cause he cant fuck so he killed everyone.... i cant even contemplate the stupidity beyond that statement. Even if you hate the prequels, you have to be really extra kind of stupid to ignore the continuous topic of him loosing loved ones and being told he should embrace it and do nothing about it.
@Adrijana Radosevic Your idea ia kinda reused for Darth Revan.
@@Enkabard so your view of vader is now uses to a badass character that is revan
The scene with them at Padme's family's house is good but it kinda would of stopped the plot for like 5 minutes, it's a shame Hayden and Portman didn't have that kind of chemistry in other scenes though.
@Adrijana Radosevic He gave in to the dark side to save Padme. He was tricked into it by the guy who became the Emporer.
Short answer: yes.
Long answer: HELL YES.
Speaking of dialogue
I thought the sand diaglouge was bad... until Rose’s dialogue saying we win that saving what we love. And also “they fly now”
“sOmEhOw PaLpAtInE rEtUrNeD.”
“ReY SKyWaLkEr.”
Identify theft is not a joke,@@cinematicworldofbenji9311. Millions of families suffer every year!
They fly now?
@@SennaHawx They fly now!
The prequels had better memes.
That's the only thing that matters
When literally every line of dialogue is turned into a meme, that's not hard
Agreed, but having good memes isn't enough to make them good movies. I do find the prequels enjoyable (well, *_some_* parts of them, at least), but I won't deny that they have a shitload of problems. So do the sequels, to be honest, but I was able to find enjoyment in them, as well. To put it simply, I think the prequels are better in some ways, and the sequels are better in others.
The ability to be memed does not make you watchable
Now get out of here
@@christianwelch4206 Nah the Prequels are a better series. the Sequels were BARELY saved by Rise of Skywalker at least making 2 of the 3 films consistent. Overall Last Jedi is garbage.
“I have to say that I felt that George’s group of six films had more innovative visual imagination, and this film was more of a retrenchment to things you had seen before and characters you had seen before"
-James Cameron on The Force Awakens
Not to mention using cliches and actual lines from other movies! Including the originals.
I am iron man
And I am all the Jedi!!!!????
@@KairuHakubi If the only Way to "win them back" was by just copying the OT with zero creativity, it wasn't worth it.
Jesus H fucking Christ
Execution wasn’t always perfect but the story and world was amazing
Says the producer of Terminator Dark Fate
Prequel Trilogy: I have the High Ground
New Trilogy: You underestimate my Power
*Prequel Trilogy: DON'T TRY IT*
It's the other way round.
@@sidnew2739 Fine
@CherryFalooda AGREED PREQUELS ARE SUPREME
@@sidnew2739 nope lol
@@ChrisChras You are ALL right. I guess I was drunk when I wrote that. OF COURSE the prequels are better. MUCH better.
Nah', I like the prequels WAY better than the sequels. It is also my favorite lore timeline in star wars.
Are you sure you aren't just talking about the saber scenes?
Agree the timeline y clone wars is awsome
@@spiritualatom2535 Nah the world was very interesting, even more than the OT
@@Fusible_1 idk man. 20 years from now people will love the sequels
@@spiritualatom2535 It was the best era of the star wars films because there was so much depth beyond just the films. We're talking an era that had intrigue, that had a lot more going for it then just an empire vs rebellion plotline, which let's be real, has always been shallow and lacking, where it was only good because it's what started star wars. There's the clone wars, the sith vs jedi element, political intrigue, factions of equal strength trying to gain control, mandalorians trying to regain control of the galaxy, showing us that the galaxy isn't black and white.
The prequels aren’t by any means perfect movies an have their problems as individual films, but as a trilogy they’re consistent, tie in respectively and coherently to the originals, definitely having their moments with intensity and emotion. I can’t say the same about the Disney sequels.
Because There was a plan... Disney they just didnt knew where to go with this
Alden the movie guy well said.
Neyvick Zalles Cardenas So true. Apparently lot of ideas used in the prequels were actually created by Lucas while he was making the OT back in 1977 so he had it all planned out from the start. Apparently JJ was pissed about Disney and Kennedy throwing his plans away after TFA and then screwing with ROS in post production. There was literally no plan in place thanks to Rian Johnson and Kennedy. At least apparently Lucas is hoping to come back with full creative control to make the trilogy he originally planned after the Prequels so yh. Here’s hoping That’ll be good
And they had the Clone Wars TV show, which did wonders for Anakin's character and brought even more worldbuilding into the universe.
@@johnkingston3367 this is not true. JJ is the one who threw out or at least encouraged to throw out Lucas' plans. He is not a good person.
The prequels had great world building and spawned one of the greatest animated shows ever.
Yup, I think all they were missing was a few more talented voices giving input, and they would've been great films. I still like them, even tho they're not very good. But the point is, you could see the vision, the creativity, and the overall idea the story was trying to show. It just wasn't executed very well. If Lucas had real help executing that vision, it could've turned out very different.
Whereas the new films have the opposite problem. They have very good creators who know how to write dialogue, how to lead the film from place to place in a way that makes sense, and so on....but they lack any real vision, creativity, central idea of what the story should be, etc. I prefer the clunky movies that knew what Star Wars is over the smoothly crafted films that are nothing more than average generic sci fi films with the title Star Wars slapped on them
The prequels didn't spawn hentai
@@animegeek9194 Please, don't give them ideas.
Glory to the prequels
pickleproductions
It’s to late
The prequel had something the sequel trilogy didn’t.
the high ground.
*ground
Lucas: wait! We need a plan of attack!
Disney: I have a plan: attack!
That joke was so terrible I think you gave me the plague.
@@irex4720 yeah ... it was late night. I wrote a joke in a foreign language... :D
[insert Darth Plagueis joke here]
I consider the prequels better for a pretty simple reason: they make me feel something throughout the movies, I would rather hate chunks of a movie than feel nothing towards them. It might be just me, but I don't feel much about the new trilogy.
I feel disgust for the new trilogy 😂
That feeling is called “nostalgia”
They made you feel something?? I felt nothing. Because the characters where so lifeless.
Same.
@@Lone432345
Exactly. The Prequels are easily the worst of the
11 Star Wars films.
Love how Maclunkey is now becoming an in-fandom swearword.
Greedo: I’m gonna say the M word.
Han: You can’t say that!
Greedo: Ma-
*Han shoots first*
Star wars Is the only god damm saga that not matter what happens in the films, people Will always react with massive reaction even if it Is pointless add and can be easily forgotten. Take for example the aspiration quote of darth vader from rogué one, i mean its silly heard Vader saying a pun but that didn't change the pace or tone of the movie, and now it became a friggin meme.
I, actually, don't care about it. The word is said for, what, a fraction of a second? Plus, I just figured it was Greedo getting the last word: "Goodbye."
Excuse me sir but this is a Light Side Minecraft server, no swearing
The New Trilogy didn’t have Obi-Wan
0/10
「Mr. Mando 」
Prequel Kenobi: YOU WERE MY BROTHER ANAKIN
OT Kenobi: Use the Force, Luke!
Sequel Kenobi: 🔈
It's over sequels, I have the me.
I know the prequels get bashed for the acting but I think Ewan and Ian put in the heat acting performances in any of the star wats films including the originals.
Technically he’s in TFA and TROS
Honestly, the sequels shouldn't have resurrected Palpatine. By doing that, Disney completely invalidated the Chosen One prophecy. Anakin defeating Palpatine in Episode 6 was the end of the Emperor, they didn't need to go farther. I personally think that's a big problem for the sequels.
And yes, I know they did that in Legends too.
And Luke shouldn’t have been a crusty depressed jerk who abandoned everything and tried to kill his own nephew in his sleep.
@@JamesNerdMan85 at least luke got an arc look at how they massacred finn's character
@@hannibal9305 also, why did John Boyega have to use an American accent? Was a black fella with a British accent too jarring for Chinese audiences?
Yea true ep 6 couldve been the end.
No no no, you see REY IS THE TRUE CHOSEN ONE
If I had to rewatch the sequels or the prequels, I’d choose the prequels. Why watch the sequels when all they are is the originals redone but in a worse way? The prequels, for all their faults, at least brought something new to the Star Wars universe...more planets, more species, more mythos.
Yeah but the trilogy is still trash. Like the first two movies barely even matter
@@TheColeminator Yea still don’t like the prequels even the new clone wars tv show.
@@TheColeminator the movies barely matter? Dumbest shit I've ever heard
@@Blue-Apple-fc9eo shitting on the clone wars.
Now that’s a hot take. Good luck with that.
@@AnimatedTerror Ignore what I said in those 6 months I was very wrong.
TLDR:
The Prequels had a mapped out plan and a focused vision while the New Trilogy did not.
SirPreyasThe619 too bad none of that focus went into competent film making
As least the sequels had an excuse. There was no plan from the start. The prequels were planned out, had the original creator involved extensively, had 3 whole years in between to fix and improve as they went on, and they STILL FUCKED IT UP.
@@Vageta1999 Okay Red Letter Media.
Salvador Reyes
The sequels did have a plan, somewhat. Each movie would have a partial focus on one of the original 3. Force Awakens focused on Han, Last Jedi focused on Luke and Ep9 was supposed to focus on Leia before Carrie Fisher’s untimely passing.
However the handling of the new trilogy was poor to say the least
@@calumbishop7082 thats the issue. that is piss poor story telling.
Oh god, you've opened the floodgates.
Duck and cover
Oh hey TGX! I loved your Sly reviews!
I know, it is a competition of awful and worse.
It reminds me of that South Park episode "Cripple Fight".
hey you are here
*Grabs popcorn*
doom7ish do you mind if I sit next to you?
I always did like Cartoon Network, Stars Wars The Clone Wars.
About everyone does
again, made by somone that gave a shit and weren't manhating sjw lol
Its seems so obvious why these things fall, making shit, and then call all the fans racist trolls is a great way to start a fuck up, then proceed to try and systematically kill of everything that was established in the ogianal. and having this weird capitalist hating agenda ... witch just makes no sens when its build on a clear straw man in a film made for earning fucktons of money by one of the most capitalised companies out there. Disney Star Wars = shooting yourself and the onlookers in the foot multiple times thinking that's how you make entertainment.
Yeeeeaaaa!
Me too
The 2003 and 2008 one! 😎
Prequels: The Clone Wars, Order 66, Battle of the Heroes, Duel of the Fates.
Sequels: *"tHeY FlY nOw?!!"*
what the fook is wrong with u guys?
@@deepay1840 Wdym
@@deepay1840 Wanna clarify, mate?
@@deepay1840 Since jet packs have been a thing since day one of the franchise what did the line mean?
I don’t know why people criticize that scene so much because they show emotion and are scared of dying in Rise of Skywalker. In phantom menace when jar jar, obi wan and qui gonn are attacked by that huge fish they don’t show emotion 😂 except for jar jar because he’s scared of dying and qui gonn tells him to calm down lol like bruh that don’t make sense. Can’t people in Star Wars show emotion when they might die? Even if they say it weird they’re showing emotion
Watching anakin’s fall and luke’s refusal to turn together is perfect. You see the jedi council’s separation from personal attachment led to anakin’s turn since yoda basically told him to embrace death, leading to turn palpatine’s teachings since he offered to help. We watch a teenager lose his mother in 2 and a man try avidly to prevent the same loss from befalling his wife in 3. The council’s refusal to embrace both sides was their ultimate failure. This adds weight to luke’s training in 5 and 6 since obi wan and yoda focused more on embracing the darkness, preventing from falling to temptation as his father once had.
Watching it. Not enjoying it whatsoever. The prequels have massive problems and the plot and execution are among them.
This is pretty interesting since this is somewhat what Rian Johnson tried to do in episode 8 too by trying to have "Bad guy with funny lightsaber" (I can't remember his name at all) turn on the Sith and wanting create his own balance in the force with Rei and also by having Yoda and Luke destroy the Jedi books. Instead of having extreme good and extreme bad balance each other out they create a universal balance where good people can do bad things etc. Not just "Bad guy is bad, good guy good" but also having being good and evil relative to what you consider being good and evil. It's cool how those parts and the prequel films went hand in hands in that way and it could've been a great ending to the new trilogy. Too bad the rest of the film was awful in every way. Wasted potential.
DantesGrill I quite enjoyed rian’s depiction of the force in 8 as balance which in essence we should all strive towards, further elaborating on the eastern philosophy lucas used to inspire the jedi order. The issues I take going forward are force skyping and force ghosts interacting with the physical plane. Yoda is exceptionally powerful in 8 as a jedi, and since he’s a ghost, there’s no way he can die again. He could have appeared in Sheev’s throne room before 6 and killed the emperor, which is the same that can be said about Luke, Obi Wan, and Yoda with regards to Snoke. No “good” life is lost, and problem solved
+Rex Veritate Yeah, some of the force stuff were ridiculous, although you must admit that Yoda creating that lightning was a great visual. Force skyping has been a thing for a while though, although not on this level. I think they should've held back on it and made it more subtle like in the first films where it's more like sending a thought or a hunch instead. If ep 7-9 had been planned from beginning to end it could've brought some great imagery and storytelling with it, adding some mystery to it. Now in ep 8 it just becomes a bit too on the nose. Even Luke could've evolved further over multiple films and used his strong Skywalker genes whilst alive instead of having Yoda do stuff, have him just being Luke's ghost mentor instead. Yoda would be like Gazoo in The Flintstones but less dumb!
DantesGrill I agree! Episode 7 was a direct reaction to the prequels, as it was “a return to form” given that the prequels deviated quite heavily from 4-6. At the very least, plan out a trilogy. Whether people like the OG films or the prequels or not, at least they were planned out to create a 3-act narrative. These films are just the creators responding to fans’ reactions. People didn’t like the prequels, so we have 7 close to 4. People didn’t like 7 cuz of the comedy, so rogue one is grittier. People thought it was boring, so 8 was wildly different. People bitched about 8 for 2 years, so 9 is a jumbled mess. You know my thoughts on 8, but if we all kept quiet and went along with it, 9 would be a better story. But again, they shoulda planned this from the start. Above all, Disney is so absorbed with making money they forget the basic idea of creating anything-people are always gonna hate/critique your work. They wanna please the most amount of people to make the best return on their investment that they have to constantly scramble to fix shit. That’s why they’re making rewrites/reshoots at the end of the line
Can we all agree that Ian McDiarmid is a amazing actor
yes
He and Ewan McGregor carried the prequels.
Absolutely! The Palpatine/Sidious manipulations were the best thing about the prequels.
Was he Palpatine? If so, he was very good.
@@toganium4175 yep.
“A consistent vision” and plot, and actual world building, interesting villains that do things, heroes that struggle, fall, get better. I recently rewatched them and still very much disagree with his and others critiques of the overall structure of the prequels. I agree the writing is awful, and certain characters could have been fleshed out more, but there is far more potential and interest in them than the sequels by a long shot, and unlike the sequels, the bones of the prequels are good.
Heroes? Anakin was a child murderer by episode 2.
I think he was talking more about Obi-Wan.
He's an "old fashioned" critic - not disrespecting him, because I still like his channel and his brand. But he grew up in a time when "the prequels are bad" was common wisdom, and he was actually a lot fairer to them than anyone else was. At this point it's probably too late for him to change his mind.
I agree, the core story the prequels tell is actually amazing.
Sadly, the core plot of Palpatine instigating all the conflicts in the movies to gain power is covered by a layer of forced romance, sometimes wooden acting and an unhealthy dose of putting the focus on the wrong elements.
The Phantom Menace becomes outright awesome when seen from the perspective of Palpatine in the novel Darth Plageous, which Disney sadly decided to throw out along with all the other EU stuff (and then certain people dare to say that there was no source material to draw from, when their new characters almost seem like bad copies of EU characters).
I grew up with the prequels, and I've found more and more of the flaws in them, but I still like them for the core plot and, I'll admit that, the fight scenes.
Heck, I even like some parts of the new movies, but there's so much inconsistency and stupidity (of the characters) in them that it drags them down more for me than the flaws of the prequels.
Benjamin Ruggles tragic hero
I love the Prequels, especially Revenge of the Sith. The Prequels added onto the Original trilogy, the sequels trashed the Original trilogy AND the Prequels
I agree. I think the prequel trilogy is a little over-hated. Not the best, but not the worst.
There are lots of kids out there who love the sequels. In 20 years, they will be adults and they'll be in these comments sections defending the new movies. I hope then you'll be able to understand how we prequel critics feel.
@@rhlhappy No, they won’t. You wanna know why? Because even this new generation doesn’t like them. Like literally, ask someone of my age how they feel about the new trilogy, they’ll most likely tell you that it was complete and utter dogshit and that they still prefer the prequels and the originals. Not to mention that the reasons why the sequels are seen as bad movies are completely different than the prequels’. I’m not going to start writing a whole essay about this, but it basically boils down to the fact that the prequels, for all their flaws, had love and care put into them, while the sequels are nothing but just your standard modern Hollywood cheaply made cash grabs, that do nothing but completely invalidate the movies that came before them. So yeah, you ain’t gonna see someone defending the Star Wars sequels, if you could even call them Star Wars, any time soon
People knock the politics in the prequels but I actually really enjoyed seeing how this world actually works! In the original trilogy we never really see much of how the world works or why the empire is so bad other than the rebels say they are and the empire kill the rebels who are our heroes.
Dark Woods here here! Doug assumes that kids were just waiting for the politics to end so they could get to the action sequences, but that’s selling a lot of kids short. I found the world building fascinating, and it made Star Wars come alive to me. It’s important to realize that politics played a *huge* part even the novels that Doug praises; they were always there in the background of Star Wars. They just came to the forefront of the prequels. And how could you tell the story of Anakin Skywalker without delving into that?
The politics is maybe the one interesting thing about the prequels. They are basically trying to explain the Weimar Republic in it, and currently they are even more topical than they were when the movies were released. I always felt that the "too much politics" complain was BS, what doesn't work is more the characters and the contrived story telling.
This complaint was always weird to me. It's called world building. And while not perfect it was good to know why did some things happened.
The complaints about the politics and those about the fights being too over choreographed, are two things that really just come across as bizarre criticism.
Personally, I don't mind the politics. I just want the politics to make sense.
Prequels has; Revenge of the Sith, Duel of the Fates.
Sequels has not.
tevfik enis Sequels have The Force Awakens which is almost as good as the original movies.
Prequel also had worldbuilding, maybe not great worldbuilding, but it at least tried to have one. The sequel did not even try, the universe of the sequel trilogy is not even lazy worldbuilding, it's non existant.
@@bbolin5626 Good god man, have some self respect.
Midgee What did I say that didn’t have self respect?
@@bbolin5626 Just teasing, personally TFA was the best of the three
"I thought there were rules..... ..... the prequels are bad."
That was never a rule. Tons of people did, and do, love them. Even for years before the Sequels. Not to mention the worlds and lore of the Prequels are amazing. Naboo, Coruscant, the Jedi structure, the Clone Wars and even the prequel's expanded universe.
I’m with you on that, people tend to follow the trend bandwagon of just hating on the prequels just cause of obnoxious reviews or just ignore completely the amazing concepts in the prequels as you mentioned, better Lightsaber battles, Darth Maul, General Grievous, the Pod race, Palpatine’s rise to power, Order 66, Geonosis scene end of Ep2 etc while pointing at every fault they can like Jar Jar, Anakin in love with Padme scenes, filler scenes in ep 2 AOTC. I personally love the prequels just behind the OG trilogy and I like it better than the sequel trilogy for sure.
@@corpsedesecrator2612 I agree with you. It's also annoying that people always shows the love dialogs from the prequel starting with the sand one. How about some good ones? Like when Obi-Wan questions Jango on Kamino, or the opera scene. Funny those are never mentioned.
I blame Mr. Plinkett for that mentality.
It kinda was an unspoken rule. Go back to before Episode VII was even announced and there was this unspoken agreement that we all kinda hated the prequels. Even if you didn't personally hate the prequels, they were generally accepted to be not very good movies.
Fans were NOT happy with Jar Jar Binks, Annakin's hatred of sand, the wooden acting, etc.
And before you try to point out the good points that the prequels had, understand this. See all that praise the prequels are getting in the comments of this video? Yeah, you didn't see that a decade ago. No one praised these movies. You didn't have droves of people coming together to defend the prequels. Not until their was a new "target" to focus their anger and hatred on.
Trust me, the moment Disney decides to do Episodes 10-12, I promise you that suddenly everyone will come out and praise the parts of the sequels they liked. You'll hear all the "I didn't LOVE the sequels, but at least they didn't--" just like you're hearing everyone say about the prequels. Everyone will decry the "Super Sequels" as the worst thing ever while talking about how much better the sequels were.
It's just always popular to hate on the newest thing in favor of what came before. I've watched it happen before and I guarantee you that, if the Star Wars saga continues, it will happen again.
@K Ren On the contrary, I think the originals had better duels while the prequels had better characters and characterisation. The Sequels have neither. Scenes like Obi-Wan and Dooku on Geonosis are some of my favourite of the saga and I can't say the same for most dialogue scenes in the OT. I think the OT and the prequels are easily on par. ROTJ is honestly the worst of the original six (still love it) and I only saw Star Wars as an adult with the intention of watching the prequels to make fun of them.
There was actually quite a lot of cut scenes from the prequel movies that george had to take out to make the films fit in theaters, and a lot of the good scenes were from Attack of the Clones.
That's debatable whether or not those were "good" scenes that should have been kept in
Yeah like RotS was 4 hours and they cut all of padme’s influence on the formation of the rebellion and the pushback to palpatines take over
@@jmurray1110 damn is there any place people can see the stuff that was cut?? I wanna see those 4 hours
@@alim.9801 Not as far as I know
@@jmurray1110 yeah ig Lucas likes to have a lot of control over which versions of his movies people see. Dang that's a shame, thanks tho
The prequels had Ewan McGregor. End of story.
Hernan no, having a great actor in the movies without direction doesn’t make them good
@@Maroon33 My point is that even though the prequels weren't that good, al least Ewan and the way he portraits Obi-Wan are one of the few things that saves the prequels. (And ROTS was actually pretty good though). The sequels are absolutly garbage.
AND Ian McDiarmid.
Don't forget Christopher Lee and Sam El Jaxon.
Christian Yttrie 😂😂 I’m going to assume ur taking the piss on Sam L Jackson’s name mate
This is what I got from each trilogy:
Prequel Trilogy: Planned story, story flowed, but bad acting from most actors and bad dialogue (I saw it as a kid so I like them even though I know its bad)
Original Trilogy: Story not planned at the beginning but they made the story flow, bit cheesy but charming (I never saw it as a kid so I could not get into the dated effects)
Sequel Trilogy: Story not planned, story did not flow, aggressive retconing in the 3rd movie, but good acting, more balanced humour and better effects. Relied too heavily on Nostalgia
I agree with everything you said except I don't believe the humor was balanced in the sequels.
@@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive ehhh Humour is subjective, to me it felt more balanced but then again I was told I have a weird sense of humour
I wouldn’t say the story flowed in the prequels.
Did you realize that most characters in the Prequels must act like andorids that frigid way because they were Jedi (except for Mace Mother F**cker Windu)
My response will be a short one.
Ian. Mcdairmid.
People: The Sequels are better!
Other People: The Prequels are better!
Nostalgia Critic: The Originals are better!
Me: Knights of the Old Republic is better.
Me: STAR WARS IS STAR WARS!
God damn right. And they need to do an HD remake of both of those games. Imagine all the gameplay, but with modern graphics.
Darth Revan Darth Malak Darth Malgus Darth Nyriss Darth Nihilus Lord scourge .
Me: The Clone Wars is better.
Me: Mandelorian is superior!!!!
I loved the prequels. I was watching an old Rogers and Hammerstein classic The King and I. It's very interesting if you watch the acting and compare it to the prequels. George was going for that older style of acting. Now, I will say the love scenes were cringy but if you like those old kind of movies and understand this, the movies were done so well!
And that's one of the reasons those few people hate the Prequels. They don't understand them.
I don't like fandom drama. It's coarse and rough. Gets everywhere.
That's.....not inaccurate.
"And irritating"
@@connorwood9211 thank the force for Whiskey. And rum.
Amazing. Every word of what you just said was correct.
Its even worse than sand!
The prequels are my favorite era of Star Wars, the politics and the lightsaber fights
Klue Me too!! The prequels are awesome! They have so much detail and offer so much to think about!
Finally someone smart in the comments.
The politics were more boring than CSPAN
@@KalLevi same i wish there was more stuff from the prequel era
Roasted Toast what what do you want in the prequel era?
Prequels added so much lore and turned Star Wars into a true universe while having a coherent story that, on paper is like a Shakespearean tragedy in space (referring to Anakin’s arc). Sure the dialogue and acting were pretty bad and the cgi was laughable at time, but they have so much more heart and character than the sequels do
I’m not sure if I’d even blame the acting since I think that’s more to do with George’s directing and then when you mix that in with his awful dialogue which he admits are pretty bad, it’s not going to turn out that well. He just didn’t have as much control with the OT if I remember right.
Have you seen other films that used cg around that time? The Prequels cg was ahead of it's time. And it's actually a misconception that they had a lot of cg. Do some research. You'll find out how many practical effects, props, and miniatures they actually used.
Can't even hate on the CGI when that was ground breaking and beyond anything ever seen. People can hate on it, but seem to forget that before the prequels, cgi was never of that quality, and here's another thing, every single prequel film had more practical effects than the entire OT combined, where over 70% of the OT relied on matt paintings for its backgrounds while the prequels backgrounds were 80% models and 20% cgi.
@@Deathpool_04 The acting and the dialogue isn't bad
George wanted the actors to play the characters that way but I still think the dialogue was bad. At least it gave us memes though.
I always loved the prequels. They’re great specially Revenge of the Sith
The prequels are trash.
Same. They're far from being perfect, but they're also far from being the worst things ever made. Even AOTC is my top three for the movies.
@@FAITHandLOGIC your whole existence is trash
REVENGE OF THE SITH IS MY FAVORITE AND THE MOST IMPORTANT IN THE FRANCHISE.
@@SWyrick366 💯💯💯
"There was never a feeling of somebody wanting to tell a story just because they wanted to."
Sums up why cash grabs never work.
Yes, they made tons of money. Because, you know, Star Wars and Disney and idiots like me who watch everything with Star Wars in it's name. But work, my young padawan, they did not. At least not as movies with, you know, good stories and characters and everything
@Soulifix so basically they just made their money back from buying it from George Lucas.
@The high ground Plus the original $4 billion sale price. I bet they still haven't recooped all of the money they spent.
I would have to say that the Clone Wars tv show has a lot to do with the acceptance of the Prequels. It fills in many of the blanks, shows needed character development, made the clones actual people, and tells new stories within its time period. Most importantly, it shows how Anakin changes into Vader and shows a war that starts at the end of Episode 2 and ends at the beginning of Episode 3.
Matt330 now if only Disney can do that for the sequels.
@@durand4l it cant because tlj is right after tfa and ros is only 1 year after tlj
the clone wars tv show succeeded where the prequels failed. they built Anikin and Obi wan's friendship. best way to look at the PT is Clone Wars and revenge of the Sith. Phantom Menace failed to build up the main characters of the Prequils and Attack of the Clones did not establish their friendship.
Its literally better than the prequels in every way except budget.
@@tofuteh2348 what are you jibbering about?
Fun Fact: The Force Awakens actually used more CGI than The Phantom Menace.
Fun Fact. The Phantom Menace had more Models built than than all Original Trilogy Films combined.
Yeah but the CGI wasn’t dog shit
@@brianshafer1166 Yeah but the movie was dogshit.
@@brianshafer1166 those movies were made over 20 years ago, lucasfilm had to literally invent the technology to make those movies, and they were revolutionary for their time. And they still look far more decent than many movie with "overused" cgi of that period.
@@brianshafer1166 No shit TFA came out 16 years after
“I thought that the prequels being bad was just something we all agreed on.” NOOO! Plenty of us have always been prequel defenders. Dav Filoni was always a massive prequel defender. Most people who watched them in the last 10 years like them. Some people have opened their eyes and given them a rewatch with an open mind. Others have just found their voices and spoken up.
Exactly! All prequel haters are just blinded from anything good in them by some trivial shit like the campy dialogue, which I personally enjoy for the humour they bring to these otherwise quite dark movies. The prequels aren't perfect. . . Not at all perfect. . . However, I recently rewatched all 6 of the main Star Wars films (I don't count the sequels) and personally enjoyed the Prequels overall more than the Original Trilogy. They're just so damn alive, and provide some of the most iconic parts of the entire damn saga. Name a single song in SW better than Duel of Fates. I can assure you that none of the ones that are as good as it are from the Original Trilogy, even tho the music in those movies are really good.
Point is, the Prequels are wonderful, and far outclass the soulless cash grabs that are the sequels.
@@yohumanfrisk I agree. I feel like saying you like the prequels has to come with an asterisk like "Yeah I know they're not great" or "Despite the acting and dialogue being bad" or even "despite their flaws". I don't buy any of that. I think they're great movies, with great effects, good dialogue, (At least episodes 1 and 3, 2 is more mixed) good acting, and were told perfectly.
Comparing them to the sequels is kind of a joke. Unless you think the sequels are great for their own reasons, which is fine. As someone who grew up with prequel hate, I want the sequel fans to receive more open-minded responses and considerations than I often did. If you like the sequels, more power to you! I'll never understand them, so I'll never be the best judge of them. And no one can judge anything.
What I can say is this: The prequels are not good in any way because of the sequels. They already were. The prequels are not secretly masterpieces: They just are. That's my truth
@@officialmonarchmusic EXACTLY!
Also, I don't completely hate the sequels. They had potential. A TON of potential. I think the masterpiece of the sequels is Kylo Ren. He gets a bad rep, but he's actually a superbly written character, even if by accident. He has a thorough character arc that's tied between all 3 movies, and is actually played brilliantly by Adam Driver. Like, the emotion he gives is insanely good. People don't give the sequels credit where it's due, but I like to.
I just dislike Rey, and the parts of Star Wars that were ruined by the movies, like the previous character growth of both Han and Luke. Han went from having grown beyond his selfishness as a war hero, back to being a selfish, smuggling nobody running from his past. Luke went from the hero of the Rebellion, who always looked for the good in people, such as Vader, and refused to kill them, to being a hermit who tried to mercilessly murder his own nephew in his sleep for having started falling to the dark side.
Had they not ruined previous characters, treated Threepio like he was worthless, and actually gone somewhere with characters like Finn, who were set up for really interesting character development, the movies would have been utterly fantastic.
Alas, Disney failed us by having no plan whatsoever, paying out to make cash grabs, and leaving fans miserable. At least Kylo Ren was done good, and BB-8 is adorable.
I've always liked the prequels but for the longest time I thought it was just bc I grew up with them lol. Now as an adult I realize it's not just nostalgia, I like them now too 😂
@@yohumanfrisk you know the irony of defending the prequels just to shit on the sequels, right?
“Prequels has inconsistent stories.”
Umm, yeah, like the sequels were incredibly consistent
Coltafanan Studios I think he means that you can watch ROTS alone and not miss a thing since the other 2 movies feel unnecessary.
Look back at the Original trilogy. There’s PLENTY of inconsistencies if you look hard enough. Off the top of my head: why did Vader not sense that he was torturing his daughter in ANH? How did Leia remember Padmé? If Leia “always knew” that Luke was her brother, why didn’t she tell him, or why did she make out with him, twice?! Can’t Obi-Wan’s ghost train Luke, instead of Yoda? I’m not saying this ruins Star Wars, I’m saying this doesn’t matter.
@@inventorking9124 Well (Cracks Knuckles)
: The force doesn't let him know about it, simple as that. At that point, she was a stranger, and he didn't think more of it. When learning it from Luke before, he was searching Luke's feelings. Luke knew at that time.
:Leia remembering Padme was a Prequel mistake, not an original. It was said in the original, but it was the Prequesls who screwed it.
: Obviously hinting that it was some behind the scene feeling she had, not an actual confirmation. Otherwise she wouldn't have kissed him.
: Yoda was a better Jedi, and training under him would be better for Luke.
Like you said they don't matter, but don't compare OT to PT. Weve had decades to patch up every BS fact
Jacob Schellen Oh. I was actually comparing it to the sequel trilogy. Sorry for the confusion.
@LegoGuy87 The Dooku argument doesnt really work cos in the very same movie they introduce Grievous without any context
The prequel movies actually had a coherent story line.
barely
Timeyin Sholaye depends..
@@timeyinsholaye9169 they really did tho
...PoLItiCS
@@timeyinsholaye9169 Indeed, rushed but it at somewhat of a storyline, the sequels didnt.
I'm Indian, let me tell you a thing. Me and my siblings watched all the trilogies during coronavirus lockdown. They didn't have any idea of star wars before that. Honestly they liked prequels and original trilogies the most, they connected most to anykin. They felt for him. They were very sad watching anykin Skywalker becoming Darth vedar.
They hated Disney films, literally got irritated watching last jedi. And laughed at seeing the ending of 'Rise of Skywalker'. They joked like 'Rey came to their family, killed a family member and took their last name.' They didn't like the idea of force healing. After rise of Skywalker ended, my sister told me 'brother, then anykin died for nothing'
My siblings are young who had no idea of star wars lore. If they couldn't digest disney trilogies then I doubt future generations will. I'm sure in later years original and prequel trilogies will gain more respect. I don't think even younger generation would like Disney films when they get old. And guess what, after ROS, I asked them to watch spin-offs like rouge one and solo, they weren't excited. They are like 'oh god no, now what the hell they would show in those'. That was the exact same feeling what audience felt after LJ. The very same reason solo flopped!
Spot on, on all counts.
Solo is even a good movie, but fell in the indifferent shadow of the Last Jedi debacle.
We're skipping the sequels on the Star Wars watch-through I'm doing with my step-brother.
@@KarakNornClansman Yes you are correct. Solo is enjoyable. Me and my siblings did see Rouge one and solo after watching all of the Skywalker saga. They liked them a lot. They were so confused that how these 2 movies are good but not Disney trilogies!
@@mdmudhussain Please check out the Clone Wars finale as well with your siblings. You'll like it. The last 4 episodes in season 7 (the finale) is made like a movie, and is an astoundingly good watch.
Mandalorian is also good. Disney made a terrible flagship trilogy, but solid spin-off productions.
@@KarakNornClansman oh yeah. I watched all clone wars animated series but not with siblings. Had goosebumps watching last 4 episodes. Will try to watch with siblings for sure
@@mdmudhussain Goosebumps here as well. I hope they enjoy it half as much as we did!
The prequels had a story.
A terrible story yes.
@@and8091 the phantom menace is spin off obi wan no is anakin story the force awakens new hope bad remake
@@and8091 two fist have problems but prequel is better
@@sergiolezcano9190 I agree. The prequels are better than Jack and Jill, but then again, so are most things.
@@and8091i agree. the sequels are better than pixels but the again so are most things
The prequels made Star Wars expand. Sequels make it feel small
If I were to state an Avatar analogy for what each SW trilogy sort of feels like to me:
*Originals ->* “Avatar: The Last Airbender“, where you have the near perfect series out of the blue, which sets the standard for the rest of the franchise.
*Prequels ->* “The Legend of Korra”, where you have something that is flawed in execution and contains some issues like awkward romantic subplots. But you still get plenty of original stories, lore, villains/conflicts, etc. plus some dramatic parts that do land for me and some nice chances to see classic characters as their younger/older selves. I guess one difference, though, is that the SW prequels had flawed directing such as the over-reliance on CGI when it was still in its infancy, while TLoK still had mostly solid animation throughout.
*Sequels ->* An alternate hypothetical sequel series for Avatar, where almost everything accomplished by Aang, Sokka, Katara, Iroh, and Zuko is undone. Everyone is now back to fighting a group of villains, who are the Fire Nation in everything except for the name. The show either rehashes old story beats from TLA or makes a mess of the new things is does consider trying, before going back on them. And it finally turns out that the main villain behind everything was a much older FireLord Ozai, who somehow got his fire-bending powers back.
Lol what? The prequels made the fall of the republic like 1 day. Anakin made C3PO. Boba Fetts dad is every clone trooper. Tatooine is Anakins home planet even though it doesn’t make any sense why Luke would be there if he was put there as a secret. Yoda is mates with Chewbacca out of nowhere. Everyone is in their exact place at the end of ROTS where they were at the beginning or ANH, implying that nothing of importance happened for any of these characters in 20 years.
Prequels made the universe feel small and bland.
The only expanding prequels did was medichlorians and a purple lightsaber
Duncan Brodie
IIRC, the Critic's episode on his top 11 good things from the Prequel Trilogy back in 2014 even put up the world-building elements at the top of his list: the diversity of planets at #2, and the mythos-expanding opera scene from Episode 3 (specifically the story of Darth Plagueis, Palpatine's mentor) at #1.
Mark Cobuzzi The legend of Korra was a mess that's why it dropped of a cliff in ratings after the first session and continued to lose way over half it's original audience. The prequels were still very successful and even though a lot of fans of the original trilogy don't like them the prequels brought in a new generation of Star Wars fans to the franchise which the legend of Korra wasn't able to do judging by the fast ratings decline. Don't downplay the success of the prequels.
Exactly!! You can feel that it is very much indeed an expanding universe. It's not just those characters in the millennium falcon and other places. There were ongoing wars and other people, albeit not exceptionally done, it was an admirable feat nonetheless
The prequels "felt" like Star Wars, the new ones don't.
I beg to differ
uh, no....the ships were all futuristic, all the droids fighters and shit did not feel like Star Wars whatsoever.
It's all Star Wars. To me, It all feels like the Star Wars to me. I like it all.
I agree 100%
@Some Person Ah yes, the boycot routine. So you claim to like star wars, but wont be watching the movies, or the tv shows, or reading the books.
At the end, I can remember more about the prequel trilogy than this sequel trilogy. With the bad and good, I feel like the sequel trilogy would be forgotten quicker than the prequel trilogy.
A big issue with the sequel trilogy is that they never explain the world. In the first movie, it's totally unclear what the Starkiller Base even blew up, they never say where the First Order came from or what their threat is, in the second movie Rey says that the First Order is close to taking over entirely which is the first clear piece of information about the world and yet it makes no sense (in what way is the Resistance their main enemy, then?).
I mean, the prequel trilogy has been out for 20 years. The sequel trilogy has only just finished...
@NovaPrime Productions I'm saying it's been out for a lot longer, hence the likely reason why he remembers more from it.
@NovaPrime Productions I can see what SicParvisMagna means when he says the prequels have been out for 20 years vs the new sequels: most people have only seen the sequels once, and even that viewing has been tainted by the hype (whether negative or positive) surrounding it. One reason I'm personally not particularly excited about all these Sequel Trilogy Hot Takes coming out right now is that we're reviewing them in a bubble that isn't going to exist 5 years from now - fair, for most movies, but unfair when we're comparing our immediate reactions to the legacies (again, good or bad) of the other two trilogies.
The prequels probably should have been forgettable movies. I'm sure a big reason they aren't is that they're Star Wars, and carry all the privileges of that franchise; tie-in materials, TV shows, the EU as a whole... and of course, they've been memed to the moon and back. Half the commenters on here are citing supplementary material (the Clone Wars TV shows, the video games) as reasons why they like the prequels. And, one final point, the prequels have finally hit that sweet age where they're childhood nostalgia for the coveted 18-35 year old demographic. So yeah, the age difference is pretty significant.
But people do see the prequels more often they popped up on tv multiple times since i was a kid. I honestly think they might be on the top ten of frequently played on tv specials that channels used to use.
This video should be called: How to start a war in your comments section
Lol more like how to start a world war.
How to star wars in the skys(aka star wars)
Could we stop these "ohmahgawd, the comment sections are a warzone" bullshit comments? The comment sections are there so people could express their opinions, have debates and arguments, not to nod at each other like sheep.
@@emeraldhunter1 *nodding intensifies*
@@emeraldhunter1 On probably most other comment section I would agree with you, but if you look at some of the "arguments" being made, you'll find a lot of them are just blatantly yelling at each other, and not making any good arguments, and just seeing who can type faster. Admittedly, there are some good points made, but their overrun by that vast majority of: your dumb 'cause you disagree with me
I still like the prequels. I accept that their flawed however.
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1 agree
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They may have some problems, but overall, they told very interesting stories
And don't forget that they led us to the 2 of the most badass things that Star Wars has ever created: Clone Wars and THE clone Wars.
I see a lot of people saying they are flawed, yet no one saying exactly how. Any examples?
@@rhizvo108
Confusing plot
Confusing writing
Awkward acting
Basic cinematography
Dating CGI
Bland characters
The prequels expanded the mythos while the sequels detracted from it.
This is pretty much it.
For all their flaws the prequels were the ones that introduced the clone wars. My favorite part of the Star Wars mythos
Ethan Coster I like the prequels the most. Episode 3 has always been my favourite. Each movie in the trilogy had its own place and all made sense. The overarching story was complex and different with developed, interesting characters who all had a place in the story. The acting was effective and the tone made sense. The set pieces were always beautiful and the action was definitely an upgrade from the OT. The only thing I really have an issue with is the slightly iffy dialogue though for the most part it conveys what it needs to and doesn’t bother me.
Ethan Coster the lore is one of the least important things to a cinematic experience. The overall story and character arcs within the context of the film is what matters
Expanded my ass, they just made the universe feel small and boring. The Emperor was obviously not meant to be a sith in the original trilogy he was meant to be something different something pure evil thats why he didn't use any known force powers or a lightsaber. But because that hack george lucas can't come up with new ideas he just made him a sith fucking boring.
The Prequels also expanded the galaxy and gave it history and lore between the Sith and Jedi. The Sequels shrank the galaxy and went straight back to Rebels vs Empire.
Vanquish plus the prequels gave us unique plants, the sequels are just another Tatooeen, another Endor, another Kamino etc...
yeah thats the reason i hate them more, im a fan of the star wars UNIVERSE and seeing how they pretty much trhrew all the things that werent in the Overrated trilogy just was just extremely dissapointing
Prequels: Maybe the Jedi weren’t so great...
Sequels: THE JEDI ARE LEGENDARY AND AMAZING
@@antborb7215 this is what people cannot accept. The jedi were fucked up, overrated, and flawed individuals. Luke admitted to rey that the jedi of the past era were responsible for his father's fall and the rise of the empire. Which is strange all things considering that the disney sequels obvious intention was to make the audience see how "amazing" the jedi were and luke said this to rey in TLJ
@@lapplandkun9273 That's why I feel Rian Johnson did a great service to George Lucas' vision with TLJ while JJ basically gave the middle finger.
I LOVED the diplomatic stuff as a kid. And I loved the villains. I remember going with my father and grandfather to go see ROTS and pretending to be general grievous and Count Dooku the entire way home.
So the Sequels were so good they made you grow two extra arms?
Yeah, it's strange that as a kid I loved the politics. And my favorite clone wars episodes are the political ones and Mon Mothma in Andor are my favorite part
@@eeveeofalltrades4780 no I just slouched with my coat on my shoulders, coughed a lot, and kept saying “General Kenobi” in a weird voice.
"There...was SOMETHING that the prequel trilogy had that the Sequels didn't..."
Me: A GOD DAMN PLAN!!!!!
oh my god you're right
the prequels actually HAD something it was going towards: Palpatine's rise, the fall of the Jedi, the birth of Darth vader and the formation of The Empire
The sequels though? they didn't even have a plan for what Snoke's deal was let alone everything else and so just fell into the same shit established in the other movies and was a mess. it didn't help it had two directors with two different visions leading to movis with widly different tones and directions.
@@kokroughtoss1257 you beat me to it god damn it
Oh, and the general feel and tone of Star Wars. The Sequels also lacks that.
It's my opinion that the best one of the new Star Wars movies is actually Rogue One. It worked as a standalone movie, without having to fit perfectly into the existing storyline. I almost think it would have been better if they'd only done the spinoff stories like that and not tried to finish the story without having any clue how to do so!
and creative lightsaber duels
The main issue the sequels had is that they feel.. empty. Like bland, boring, no world building or innovation of any sort
you could say the exact same thing to the prequels, infact that's one of the main criticisms of the films, is how bland and boring they are
@@James-xw8li Uh, no...? The fact that the prequels are literally the origin story to Darth Vader says otherwise. Sure, it's not the best story, but it's a complete narrative that's cohesive. Honestly, the rest of the story that isn't focused on him and his story can be ignored, but they still had interesting explanations, such as why the Clone Wars actually begun.
@@TheRealBitterbub even do there was alots of early cgi in prequels the worlds and backgroung felt alive and always gave me curiosity. And clone Wars animated series made it better
@@James-xw8li Uhhhh no. The prequels had better action, new factions, 10x the world building, interesting designs, and a far better story. The prequels only fall behind the sequels in dialogue...and even then not by much.
AKA they weren't "so bad its good lets meme it to death"
After years of watching everyone crap on the prequels, I gotta say, it's satisfying seeing them get more praise nowadays. Even if it is only in comparison to the sequels
Yeah, my only problem is I think they’re only praising the prequels to spite the sequels. I’ve never seen this much praise for the prequels beforehand, not even for Revenge of the Sith, which I thought was a really good movie.
@@PumpkinSwag Yeah. I've heard people praise the prequels before, just not this frequently.
Nostalgia critic: says the Prequels have inconsistent stories.
Also nostalgic critic: doesn't elaborate on this treasonous insult at all, and LATER goes on to say that the Prequels had a consistent story, having all been written by George.
Oh no, my foolish RUclipsr... it is YOU who are inconsistent. About a great many things...
I would agree that the presentation couldve been leagues better.
I recently learned that in the Star Wars universe that there is an alien race called Angels who are known for their beauty. It was to them that Anakin was comparing Padame to.
Ahsun k yea when i found that out it made me like the prequels that much more
Anakin explains it in the movie did people really miss that?
@@Fenris30 I think the idea is because the line "are you an angel" was overused at the time. One other time I remember it used is in the first Raimi Spiderman movie. It was sorta a cheesy way for a character to talk about how beautiful or "pure looking" their love interest was.
But well in a way like Star Wars... it oddly looks. I mean. Whether you hate it or not it's a line that kids would associate with grace and beauty. I mean imagine if Anakin said "Are you a blashgnarf?" Yeah it can have the same meaning, but honestly, no one is going to take "blashgnarf" as a compliment based on sounding. Lol
One of them even was in clone wars series
I just learned this by OP's comment, and I've been an avid SW fan since the prequels. Thank you, OP, you made that line less cringy for me and taught me something new.
At least the prequels improved as they went on. These got worse
Okay but that works the other way too. The sequels started out strong and the prequels started out shit.
@Logan Waltz Weak hyperbole. Love how you say 'Christopher Lee' rather than the character's name. Shows how memorable that character is.
Mr Boost well the character is as bland as sand
@@mrboost4186 yeah more memorable than rey, the supposed main character of the sequel trilogy
@@Scortch-lo3xy Don't turn this into a mindless pissing match. Both trilogies were disappointing in their own way. Rewatch Episodes 1 & 2 again. They're not as good as you think.
The Prequels were a vision, the Sequels were a product
A boring and lifeless vision
And
A generally well executed product
Diego De la Fuente a terrible product
To me, the sequels are worse for no other reason than Disney retconned the expanded universe to give us such inferior stories.
Yes exactly good or bad the prequels feel fresh and created one of the most epic time periods in Star Wars, I don’t like one single thing from the sequels time period, even the ships look stupid
The Room was a vision, Avengers: Endgame was a product
As a longtime prequel apologist (of sorts), I'll say this: yes, the prequel trilogy is better than the Disney trilogy.... but that doesn't erase its own host of problems.
Except that the Prequels doesn't have nearly as many problems as the Sequels. And don't act like the OT is flawless if you say the Prequels have problems.
@@marcuscain1377 he isnt, as good as the OT is, it isnt perfect, nothing is
Despite it's flaws, Episode 3 is good.
@@marcuscain1377 yes they do
@@marcuscain1377 The Sequels are so much worse than the prequels. TFA has the some of the worst editing and lighting I've ever seen, TLJ butchered Luke's character and had some pretty awful moments (not the casino. That one I actually liked) that made me not bother finishing it, and if I have to tell you how bad TROS is, I'd rather not continue this discussion.
And what does the prequels have that's bad? Bad acting. That's literally just it. Some people hate the politics, but I see it as world building, which helped make the Star Wars galaxy actually feel like a galaxy and not just a generic fantasy but in space.
The prequels had a ton of imagination with its environments. The sequels have almost nonexistent new worlds to explore.
Jakku, starkiller base, Crait, casino planet, takodana
Casino planet is the worst thing to happen to starwars. Your welcome
@@greenninja9330 Star Wars Christmas Special and Star Wars: Ewoks would like a word.
Also, * you're
@@benstevens2 You can literally call those Tatooine, Death Star, and Coruscant. The sequels just took locations from the original and redid them. Multiple desert planets, a forest planet, and a space station. Nothing like Naboo with its architecture and diverse flora, or Kamino with its abundance of water and dark metallic buildings to thwart the flooding, or Mustafar with its extreme heat and excavation type technology that makes up so much of it. JJ and Rian just copied the environments from the OT.
MelanicDisaster no because Starkiller was once Ilum. You know the sacred Jedi temple with all the kyber cristals? Kajimi was a nice setting...
Plus Mustafar was shown in The Rise of Skywalker and I do agree some names of characters are straight up horrible. I do love some new designs. The caphex spy does look ugly tho...
I’m one of those that looks back at the prequels with nostalgia. I also loved the politics, especially as I grew older. I wasn’t raised on the originals like others, so I don’t really care for them that much.
Being born in 2000, I kinda grow up with the prequels (and the original trilogy), so I like them. Maybe in somes decades peoples will feel the same about the sequels.
I dread a future where movies are so much worse than now we look with fondness to the Disney trilogy.
How can we possibly sink lower?
I grew up with the Originals & Prequels. I always saw Star Wars as a Saga. Not dividing them by trilogies. As an adult I still love 1-6. It’s not nostalgia. Fans genuinely love them to this day. If you don’t, that’s perfectly fine.
Ian Bradley well obviously if you had nostalgia of it you would like it.
Hassat Hunter agreed, what is happening to people
Why does no one ever talk about the scale of attack of the clones, the start of the war at the end, the end just became a pure adrenaline rush it was awesome, first Mace shows up then the clones. I personally love it
I from Russia. Sorry, my English not very well.
And me, and a lot of fans from my country like a prequels. I'm agree, that prequels have negative moments. But prequels not bad film. This is good films.
A lot of computer graphics, but this isn't cause call prequels is bad films. Outdated graphics on 1st and 2nd film. But spider man outdated to, but this film don't hates. This problem of many fantastic films.
Anakin. I'm agree, but a lot of characters and actors worse. He have emotions, his character a have story and motivation. He is better, than Ray, Finn and Kylo Ran.
Jaja Bings. He is not anoys me. He is fanny.
Prequels have a lot of dignities:
-Prequels gives something new. And this looks decent. And a lot of moments, that better, than on original trilogy.
-Heroes. Obi wan, Padme, Qui Gonn, Windu and others. Anakin interesting character with limitations of actors. Actors and characters is amazing. Their better, than new characters of sequels.
-Action scenes. Their great.
-Enemies. Darth Maul, Duku, Grivus and Palpatin inferior to Darth Vader, but their good. Kylo Ran far behind.
-Themes of politics, economics, morality make films more mature.
The prequels expand the universe. And their better than sequels.
I like the prequels, I’m one of those kids who watched them when they were coming out.
I agree the sequels just didn’t appeal to me as much they just felt like a cash grab
ToriHato same
An unimaginative one at that
I was in my late 20s when I saw the prequels, and I'm glad my whiny generation has quit and/or given way to the overwhelming, newfound love the prequels always deserved. I am a proud Saga (1-6) lover.
Alan Smith-Emerson, ToriHato, C. Roberts, and Deadpool, I’ve always been a huge fan of the original six Star Wars movies.
The prequels have the right story and characters just bad execution. The sequels have nothing
Phantom Menace was the first movie I actually started listening to the dialogue and figuring out what the conflict actually was. Sure, nowadays I see how silly it was, but as a kid, the intrigue blew me away.
I was 19 years old for phantom menace. I sifted away all the kiddie nonsense, and soaked up all the Star Wars epicness. George Lucas masterpiece.
Prequel Haters ruined Star Wars ✌
The OT were a throwback to Flash Gordon serials and Lord of the Rings.
The PT were throwbacks to classic Hollywood epics like Lawrence of Arabia and Dr. Zhivago.
The ST were a throwback to Star Wars merchandise.
That is great and you were target audience for this. People overthink SW universe and nitpick everything, movies designed for teenagers. It is like finding flaws in Marvel movies, boy there are many, but who cares.
@@ka1nex37 prequels ruined OT with loads of dumb retcons. Ruined what a Jedi is.
I hate to say it but the originals get a lot of credit for nostalgia. Released today they would flop. The prequels had their flaws but overall they held up and told a good story, sometimes they were even great.
People are beginning to appreciate the prequels:
“A surprise, to be sure,but a welcome one.”
Let's be perfectly clear though, a greater appreciation for the prequels is NOT the same as saying they are good now. They still have their issues, but they're not nearly as bad or world breaking as the sequels.
I've always appreciated the prequels. It wasn't until I dived a bit deeper into the internet that I met even a single person who dislikes them, and I still fail to understand why. They're all great movies full of adventures, intrigues, world building, interesting stories and characters I deeply cared about right away, both old and new. Nothing of this could be said about the sequels.
Saying that something is better than the other doesn't make the other good. I retain my opinion that it is better to pretend that neither exist.
@@RED_Theory038 You don't think ep1-3 are good...?
Guess what....I and many others don't give a shit about your opinion! :D
"Ahhh, victory."
The prequels at least felt like Star Wars, can't say the same for the sequels.
The reason that the sequels suck is because it destroys everything 1-6 stood for, the story of Darth Vader and the tragedy of The Chosen one. 7-9 just ignores the prequels meaning and legacy, and everything it said about Anakin Skywalker being the Chosen one. George Lucas said Anakin was the Chosen one in a interview. And the sequels were just terribly written and just was lazily written. We had a great storyline, it had came from the creators vision
And Dark Empire didnt do that?
@@bt3743 Dark Empire worked because of the story, this didn't
@@scottketchie5703 And at least in that version, it was Luke and Leia who defeated Palpatine and saved the galaxy, not the annoying Mary Sue character.
I never understood why people thought the prequals were confusing. They are pretty easy to understand to me.
My guess is probably the fact that most politics from the TPM didnt seem relevant to anything at the time, and we didnt get a huge amount of context for it either. It wasnt clear how it fit into the overall story of the saga at the time of release
They are easy to understand, but that does not make them good.
@@Rubyterrence it doesn´t make them bad either. At least there is a political background where in TFA were all capital planets are destroyed in minutes and aren´t even named. How is that better?
I found the politics "outstanding". It was fun seeing Palpatine manipulating everything in his favourite. Example: 'The vote of no confidence' and 'Emergency Powers'.
@@SardonicJosh As a fan of Roman history, the prequals are fun to me. George Lucas is very obviously inspired by how Caesar and Augustus took advantage of Rome's decaying Republic and took power for themselves.
"Look at all the books that came out"...........That are no longer canon
Thanks Disney...
He’s just suggesting ideas for good Star Wars stories to adapt
but they're still examples of people making good stories from what was at the time a complete, finished product. Especially the Thrawn Trilogy
Will Rise of Skywalker kinda ripped off Dark Empire
but but you should be happy, they cherry picked plot points from the books though so its totally ok now. /s
The prequel trilogy had something the sequel trilogy didn’t.
A plan
Edit: Damn i did not expect these many comments and likes
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The high ground*
8DarthGhost8 exactly
A really bad plan, but still a plan 🤣
Was getting caught part of your plan?
I still don't under how you can start filming a billion dollar film trilogy without having planned out what's going to happen story wise.
The prequels have grown on me so much and after finally watching the clone wars Tv show... the story and world building is phenomenal
Hey, at least we got Star Wars: the Clone Wars from the prequels.
Facts
@LegoGuy87 They tried but it was impossible to make the same thing. This trilogy is just a clusterfuck
@LegoGuy87 They tried that with resistance but that was even worse than rebels.
Ian Oliver and revenge of the sith
Fair enough, I hate the prequels but I can’t deny the clone wars is incredible.
The climax of Revenge of the Sith alone is better than the entire sequel trilogy!
I agree with this
Dilly Dilly
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theChillChanneL o totes agree. There is no heart and no camp . It doesn’t connect at the level of the original trilogy. Even the prequels were campy . Terrible diologue but also memorable . Just saw episode 9 and I can’t remember what happened. Just a frenzied race through the story.
There’s something weird about Star Wars fans. They love the OT but as soon as you mention the PT or ST there’s a war.
Also, I ALWAYS tear up watching ROTS. And the romance between Anakin and Padmé was FAR MORE engaging than Reylo.
Thank you finally someone saying Revenge of The Sith actually has emotions.
ROTS has so much more emotion than the sequels. I just felt so much more engrossed.
I loved Anakin and Padme's relationship. It becomes even more tragic after watching the Clone Wars (both 2002 and 2008)
It’s because there’s so many things to complain about in Star Wars and you can’t really ignore them. It’s also pretty much impossible to just like everything since a lot of things would conflict or clash with each other if you were able to do it. There’s also how legends exist and people really like bringing that up.
Reylo was incredibly forced and I don’t think I’d have cringed as hard before when I saw that.
It was always weird to me how so many people didn’t like the Anakin and Padme romance. Yes, they were awkward but it made sense in context. I just would’ve taken the parts out where they made Anakin creepy since that was just dumb. Something that’s ironic is that Hayden and Natalie ended up dating in real life.
RLM in a nutshell: Everything after Return of the Jedi sucks, and the cartoons and books don’t count.
It was completely irrational that Finn shot at his buddies in the Imperial Remnant after growing up in the crèche with the other stormtroopers and being loyal to the Empire knowing that the rebel alliance was a terrorist organization
Finn interacted with Poe the very anarchist who killed his best friend on Jakku for only ten seconds
He’s not even important in TRoS. He should’ve died in TLJ.
@@JamesNerdMan85 No he shouldn't. Finn is the only saving grace in these movies (and, if I want to be really generous, Rey).
I felt that the prequels expand the universe while the sequels mostly limits it. That's how it felt for me.
I would put it this way:
* The prequels were a coherent mess that treated its characters & fans with respect, with great highs and great lows.
* The sequels were an incoherent mess that treated its characters & fans with disrespect. with moderate highs and great lows.
Most prefer a coherent mess with great highs/lows that treats people and itself with respect. Simple as that.
Pretty much, even with the stuff that legitimately sucks, you still remember it. Whereas this one, it just felt empty and forgettable
"Coherent mess"? Do you people not know what a contradiction is?
@@calebmurphy9406
You can have a "mess" and still understand what is there (coherence).
@@DBArtsCreators or "organized chaos". Sure, to outsiders, it looks chaotic, but there is a line of internal logic that holds the chaotic structure in place. The internal logic can come from the people producing the media (preferable) or it can come from the subjective understanding and formulation of head cannon to explain things (less preferable).
Would you really say Yoda was treated with respect in the prequels? Or Anakin? Both those characters were butchered.
the prequels are flawed, but theres a real heart and passion put into them
the sequels are Disney banking on brand recognition
All movies have flaws. The Prequels were FIRE 🔥
Prequel Haters ruined Star Wars
@@ka1nex37 the prequels have some of THE HANDS DOWN best segments in ALL of Star Wars. Duel of Fates? masterpiece. Obi-Wan vs Anakin? incredible. Jango Fett? 1000x better than Boba Fett
@Tom The Fish exactly what do you disagree with?
the EU that Disney killed are leagues better than the shit sequels we got, but the prequels are still pretty good
@@Xarazel Jengo Fett was an awesome character, and that's why I fkn LOVE Attack of the Clones.
The Prequels were criminally underrated.
@@ka1nex37 Jango deserves the love that Bobba actually got, because Jango actually DID THINGS and didnt just look cool like BF. and the prequels do have problems but i still say they have some of the best pieces of all of SW
“Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.”
- Sun Tzu
*The Sequels had tactics, but no strategy…*
*The Prequels had strategy, but no tactics…*
*The Originals had strategy AND tactics.*
That’s a pretty good way of thinking about Star Wars in general.
The worst mistake that the new trilogy made imo, other than not having a cohesive story, is not even attempting to be part of a bigger narrative with the movies 1-6. Which hurts them in the long run... just think about it, one of the biggest reasons the prequels have survived all of these years, is because fans do star wars marathons all the time, and 1-6 feel like a big story that is worth watching all at once. Its the story about the fall and redemption of anakin, the fall of the republic and rise of the empire and palpatine, and how peace was recovered through civil war with a small group of rebels. The new trilogy is just... the wacky adventures of rey, finn and kylo, fighting the monster of the week. I watch them and think "What was the point of that?"
There is no reason to watch them with the others aside from... thats what happened next. Giving a similar vibe to the alien, robocop or terminator sequels. Or even Solo or rogue one, just because they have some of the same characters that doesnt mean they are part of the same narrative.
Fans don't simply watch LOTR: The two towers in isolation, or Return of the jedi in isolation, they are usually part of a bigger movie experience, and at least for me, i know that i won't be adding 7-9 to my star wars sessions, because i have no reason to watch them alongside the others
In terms of what you're talking about (the underlying story that motivates you to watch all movies) my first though would be seeing Han, Luke and Leia's conclusions and legacies. They're powerful thematic stories with Rey and Kylo interlocked with Han, Luke and Leia.
Yeah i really dosent feel like they tie up together, with elements coming and going from one movie to the other leaving you with the feeling that it was made up in the spot
Well said. I respect your view. Not sure if I agree or disagree... But when you put it like that, I see it like that in some ways
I agree with you. I felt little flickers of them TRYING to be part of the bigger narrative (for example, I thought Rey was going to be a reflection of Luke....that she took the books so she could create the Grey Jedi. I thought her seeing a reflection of herself in the dark cave rather than her parents was like Luke's experience in the Force Tree....he wasn't ready to see the truth yet, so he saw himself as Vader. Now she's the Emperor's granddaughter? WHY? But other than having familiar characters in the movie, I NEVER ONCE got the impression it was connected to the original trilogy. Questions were left unanswered. WHY did Han and Leia separate? Why is Luke's lightsaber suddenly with Maz and what is its connection to Rey? Why couldn't Leia teach her son if she was willing to teach Rey? Why didn't Leia take a more active role in searching for Luke? WHY does Leia suddenly have Force powers?
@@CeltycSparrow Yeah i agree...
George lucas made a point in both trilogies, the prequel trilogy was the age of the light side of the force and democratic goverment, the original trilogy was the age of the dark side and an imperial tiranical goverment.
If anakin was all about bringing balance, and neither jedi or sith can do that? How do you achive that? If a democratic republic and an empire both failed, How do you go from there?
Just introducing again jedi and sith completely undermines the point of the previous two.
If the previous two were about the conflict between light and dark this could be about the conclusion to that conflict, achieving true balance, a grey age.
And to be fair, the last jedi kind of touched those topics but never went far with them.
Answer: it’s the clone wars. It’s literally the clone wars
Technically it's not the actually the prequels.
But I'm not surprised by this fact by a longshot.
Agreed
Don't lecture me @@w1ndgeneral226 . I see through the lies of the jedi. I do not fear the prequels as you do.
@@edgarbanuelos6472
I didn't say I feared them, in fact I'm a guy who likes a star wars movie regardless.
*unless it's the Christmas special*
@@w1ndgeneral226 At least the plot of the holiday special could Explained in less than 20 seconds. The sequels are a freakin project.
I'm just gonna say it: Revenge of the Sith was GOOD, and you should review it.
Flawed of course. It had some scenes that dragged it down and some clunky dialogue, but when it did shit right, it did it RIGHT. So much so that the good far outweighs the bad.
I have watched it multiple times, throughout many years, and I still love it.
I'm not alone in this either Doug....there are many people who agree it's a GOOD film (check out AVGN's take on it). I would love to see you review it.
Jonathan Dick
The problem with Revenge, for me, is it makes Anakin irredeemable. No one can redeem themselves from killing helpless kids.
The beginning and end of revenge of the Sith are good (besides the no at the end). The rest of the movie is just as bad as the other 2 IMO.
Nah.
He has a review of it here: ruclips.net/video/MKoOPNJQsZM/видео.html
@@rydermccall3590 Just worth noting, that he did that already in AotC with the Sand People kids.
That said, I don't know if RotS is actually good-good. The first third, that big space battle, is pretty meh. You don't really get invested in it, or at least I don't. And Anakin's lines/motivation are often pretty bad. And of course, there's that "Noooo!" Overall, I'd say TPM is the best of the three. Yeah, it has the lame humor with Jar-Jar and the pod race announcers, but if you can get past that, or actually find it funny, it's a fun watch throughout. AotC is the one I want to be my favorite, but I can't say that it is, because that middle part drags so much. So that's sort of the problem with the prequels... each has a big flaw, and each has its good points. But on the plus side, each built up the universe, made it bigger, and despite their flaws, increased my interest in the SW universe and its possibilities. And that's where the new trilogies fail, especially TLJ, which lessened my interest, something even the Ewok movies didn't do ;)
The sequels are not a “more competent” trilogy, they’re a disaster, they have no story, they have no consistency, the characters are dull, the world building is non existent, there is no logical political context. The prequels on the other hand have a great story, cool characters, amazing world building, and honestly if you’d not like the dialogue, the acting, or the “directing” it’s completely subjective. The prequels are great movies that tell an epic story, the sequels are, as you said, a series of assignments.
This new trilogy also has political and PC themes smashed in your face, an unbearable Mary Sue to beat all other Mary Sues, a very poor attempt to copy Zutara, all of which were missing from the prequels.
Cool characters don't matter if the characters are still dull, There is no good world building because we already knew what was going to happen because of the OT. The sequels have as much consistency as the OT and If you want to say that Kylo Ren and Luke skywalker are dull charcters cool your wrong just wrong. Again these movies have as much world world building as the OT. The PT felt like a bad dream more than it felt like Star Wars.
@@thedirtyroom_3564 exactly
@@thedirtyroom_3564 Kylo Ren and Rey felt like a bad dream to me, bland, pointless charactets. I agree with the critic, the prequels are an embarassing mess, but they aren't as soulless and inconsistent as the sequels.
lightsabers don't rely on the force to activate, non-force sensitives can use them but need force reflexes to not immediately get killed via blaster. boba fett had a brief duel against darth Vader but quickly fled and he was a mandalorian. Even with kyle wounded finn should've died in 10 seconds.
To me it just boils down to this:
Prequels didn't damage my interest in Star Wars.
The sequels killed it.
"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to. It's the only way to become who you were meant to be."
Yeah they really did their best to try and kill the past.
Prequels invigorated my SW heart. Also so many good games.
Disney trilogy? Killed it. Oh, and EA.
Prequels basically killed Star Wars for me and the sequels brought it back.
@@racool911 From reading your other comments you seem to have a sad perception of star wars. "Make the prequels books" you said? They did, there's a whole expanded universe of prequel books, and heck even sequel books. And spoiler alert, the sequel books are twenty times better than any of the films Disney pumped out. If you were a fan of the books you would have realized that and not felt as enthusiastic about the Disney canon sequels.
Master Oogway I don’t rlly see how it humiliated original characters.
Leia - becomes major leader of resistance while also learning the ways of the Jedi from her brother. Death was kinda stupid but I allow it cause the actor is literally dead.
Han - Broken by what happened to his son, runs away to do the one thing he knows best until he learns to face his son and try to bring him back from the dark side
Luke - crushed by the biggest failure of his life, losing his nephew to the dark side whom Leia and Han trusted him with all because of a stupid instinctive reaction due to the evils his father became. Goes into exile as he loses all belief in the good of the force and the Jedi.
I wouldn’t say it destroyed the lore as the only things that aren’t nitpick was the Holdo maneuver and Palpatine coming back. The Holdo maneuver was mentioned in ROS as a one in a million chance, which is at least some reasoning. Palpatine returning was stupid but it didn’t rlly break lore.
Meanwhile the prequels are less entertaining, have worse acting, have worse dialogue, and terrible visuals.
Love it or hate it, we can still quote the prequel trilogy nearly 15 years after it ended. I’m not entirely confident the sequel trilogy will be as well remembered come 2034.
So it is the Thunderdome of Star Wars.
It is a shame that instead of Fury Road, Star Wars ended up with Crystal Skull.
It will be. But we also remember the holiday special
The fact that it can be quoted isn't necessarily good. I could quote the Room endlessly, that doesn't make it a competently made film. I think many confuse what is good with what is memorable. Sure, a good movie should be memorable but a movie can be memorable and bad at the same time. Just because the new trilogy isn't incredible doesn't make other movies better or worse.
a c but the quotes are good now. The prequel memes were originally made to make fun of them but now it’s come to a point where the once cringe lines have a certain charm to them.. especially ROTS
@@lnce_vfx6664 True, however, I stick with the belief that quotable doesn't equal good quality. Must admit though, except for jar jar and anakin, there were some instances of good dialogue in the prequels.
I like the OT and prequels because of the fact they were made by Lucas and not a Megacorp.